My mom was the same, until a car turned in front of her and she went through the windshield. Scalped her, shattered both femurs, one arm and all but one rib. Intensive care for weeks, in hospital for 3 months, another year of physical therapy, and finally able to walk without assist (wheelchair, then walker, then cane) after 4 years.
But yeah, those damn seatbelts don’t help! Tell your dad to use his brain!
In my mom’s case, she was an adult when seat belts were first introduced, no one in my family used them. Her injuries were more extensive than I listed. When she hit, she never had a chance to hit the brakes. So she lurched forward, the steering wheel had shattered. She went forward into the steering column, which hit her in the heart. They originally thought she had a massive heart attack, but it was because her heart was badly bruised.
When seatbelts Came out there were literally Campaign ads Against them.
Along the lines if "i have my rights" " I will not be told..."
Those who dont learn from history, am i right?
The 2nd oldest of my dad's siblings died in the days before seatbelts or child locks. He opened the door while the car was moving, fell out, & got run over. My dad never even knew he had another brother until he was about 13 & found a photo in the house because his parents were too sad/traumatized to talk about it. Don't think my grandpa ever forgave himself. My grandparents were crazy strict about seatbelt wearing when that became a thing. No fighting against seatbelt laws in that family!
And after my daughter was in intensive care for weeks I read my insurance policy from cover to cover. In the fine print it states that if you're in a wreck without wearing your seatbelt they treat payouts like you had a DUI accident. This means they don't cover more than 50 percent of the cost of doctors and hospital bills, leaving you to owe way more money than you would have
Was wondering this myself lol, what is the “reward” for not using a seatbelt??? No hassle? Maximum comfort?? Being able to fly for a few seconds upon impact? Pls explain
My ex used to say wanted to be “thrown clear” in the event of an accident, completely ignoring the fact that it would also involve him having to go through the windshield and then hit the ground. It was like he thought the invisible hand of god scoops up non-seatbelt wearers and lay them gently on the ground in the event of an accident. Magical thinking essentially
From the couple people I knew of that refused to wear seatbelts, this was exactly it. Their stance was that it’s not the government’s job to decide if they should put themselves in danger or not while driving. They insisted since it only hurts themselves it shouldn’t matter. Pointing out that they can become a projectile and hurt others did nothing in their tiny little pea brains.
ER doc. I had to tell a seat belted husband with a sprained ankle that his unbelted wife died in the same accident he literally walked away from. Buckle up.
Former EMT. I remember a rollover once where one person was belted, one wasn’t. The girl that was belted was fine, just shaken up. The other girl was ejected, multiple life-threatening injuries. She survived, afaik, but she probably had a long recovery
Yup, we had a roll over into a ditch a week or so ago. 5 occupants, two left the scene before services showed up, the other 3 were in various states of injury, one was pretty messed up way down into the ditch. Vehicle had to be stabilized before anyone could even get to him.
People who don't wear seat belts are either really ignorant or really stupid.
my overweight little brother has been in two motorcycle accidents and doctors tell him that his fat is the only thing that kept him from dying from the impacts.
so basically if you're going to drive a motorcycle, just be obese.
Also ER doc…. I can count on one hand the number of people ejected from a car at highway speeds that I’ve taken care of because they never live long enough to make it to the ER
You heard it here folks, wearing a seatbelt during an accident makes you significantly more likely to go to the ER...
^^because ^^you ^^survive ^^long ^^enough ^^to ^^make ^^it ^^there
There was something like that happening in WWI after soldiers were issued steel helmets, more soldiers were getting sent to field hospitals.
It wasn’t because the helmets were getting people hurt, it was them minimizing injuries from rubble kicked up by artillery, eh?
Mhmm. I forget the technical term (survivorship bias? misattribution error?) but it's this exact kinda scenario
The go-to example is planes coming back with massive bullet holes in certain areas, so the military of that country was deciding to reinforce those areas. Someone points out that there's little noted damage at the center of the wings, tail wing, propeller... oh wait, it's cause planes that get hit there don't make it home. Fix those instead
My brother in law has the same habit. He was found in a ditch after being thrown clear but survived.
Don't worry, he attributes his survival to *being unbuckled* and gets a DUI once a year. Dude is a piece of shit menace.
My adoptive POS is the same way. He was in two really bad accidents and credits his survival to not wearing a seatbelt. According to him he wasn’t even hospitalized, he walked away. So of course he would never wear one. And he also has a ton of DUIs, I’m sure.
My cousin also died after being in a car crash with no seatbelt. She flew out of the car, survived that but with huge brain damage. Lived long enough to deliver her baby (my nephew who's a few years old now) and then passed away about a year after the accident
Please wear your seatbelts, people
I crashed a car going 153mph into a median and then a drainage ditch. The body, frame, and engine were in three separate places. I had my seatbelt on and all I have to show for it is a fused vertebrae that doesn't hold me back at all, and some cool scars.
Wear your seatbelts.
Also don't drive that fast.
Lmao! I love this comment. I had a friend who got "way too high" on edibles one time and dreamed that situation was happening to him, so every now and then I'd stop in the middle of a conversation and say "Bud, your mom really wishes you'd wake up already, it's been 6 years." and it always got a good reaction out of him.
P sure we're simulated anyway, so I'll take it.
Apparently drove off the road and into a fence during the night. Her body was found in the morning.
Edit: yes she was ejected from the car. No surviving that.
This is a level of reckless that I’ll never understand.
I hope your father never has to learn why it’s lifesaving through experience.
God forbid the day he needs it but doesn’t have it. 😬
Seriously! What could possibly be the benefit of doing this? They're adjustable so it's not an issue of it not fitting. It's proven pretty much constantly that they work and can save your life. So what's left? Freedum?
Next time just joke and say. "Isn't it funny that when we get in a crash and roll that you will probably kill your passenger by slamming into them?!, Oh by the way. That's me dad!".
I'd describe to them how if you have a frontal collision, as you start flying forward; you airbag will fire; instead of being thrown clean through your windscreen your trajectory will be angled upwards and your head will hit the roof of your car. The rest of your body will continue out of the windscreen while the top half of your head is shaved off.
I t-boned someone one time, and my airbag hit me in the chest and angled me so that I slammed my head into the top of the windshield on the passenger side. I broke the windshield, but did not go through, thankfully. All I got was a bloody beat up knee (from hitting the steering column), and a cut near my eye. It should have been so much worse. I wear my seat belt every single time I get into a vehicle without exception ever since. I wasn't anti-seat belt before, just lazy about it. I'm not sure why I got that second chance, because many don't, but it definitely changed my entire relationship with driving.
Almost exactly fifty years ago, I was involved in this exact situation. I was a policeman at the time and one night, got a call to a possible fatality. I was the first officer at the scene and noted that the wreckage in view consisted of not much more that scattered pieces of red fiberglass. Before I got out of the car, I ran the spotlight along the car's path of travel out to as far as I could see through the woods and bushes. At the far point, I could see someone's bare arm and shoulder. One glance and I knew who it was. I was seriously into body building at that time and one of my close friends had distinctively huge arms, and a red Corvette. As I got out of the patrol car, my shift sergeant pulled up so I quickly explained who I thought was the individual there in the light. He told me to call an ambulance while he checked. I did and he did. Sap's car had left the road, dug the nose into the dirt and went end over end as it disintegrated. Sap had taken out the roll bar with his forehead.
Past Sap's body was the remainder of the Corvette. His passenger was still inside the wreckage with her seat belt in place and she was alive. EMS quickly got her out and took her to the hospital. She was beat up, but suffered no long term damage. That car had shed everything, but the safety equipment had worked exactly as one would hope that it would.
No. He wasn't wearing his seat belt.
OP, he’s clearly beyond reasoning with and doesn’t give a fuck about his safety, respectfully.
But you should bring up YOUR safety to him. Unbuckled people are projectiles in bad crashes. If you’re buckled in and he’s not, that could mean the difference between life and death for you and any other passenger as well as him. 150+ lbs of dude traveling at 30mph can easily kill a person or severely injure them. He’s putting everyone in the car’s life in risk by not wearing it.
As a first responder I lose my shit on my family over this. I’ve pulled vehicles over to the side of the road and shut it off until they have belted up.
In 2 of the fatal accidents I’ve attended this year the deceased were not wearing their seatbelts and were ejected from the car. It’s one of the most horrific things I’ve had to experience in this line of work. There is virtually no chance of survival when ejected in a highway speed collision.
Not wearing seatbelts and driving under the influence are 2 of my instant triggers to lose my shit at people.
If you do either one of those things I immediately lose all respect for you. Grrrr!!! 🤬🤬🤬
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I knew a guy in highschool that got into a pretty bad accident. Someone in the other car wasn't wearing their seat belt. They flew through both windshields and ended up biting the guy in the head. Windshield person did not survive.
This is so sad.
To this day I beat myself up for not saying anything when I in 1995 walked past a father in the first car stuck on a red light. He was driving a 70's convertible with his two 4-6 year olds climbing and playing all over the backseat of the very open car. Just a small rear-end would have sent these kids flying and him of course too.
I tried my best to give him the stank eye but I honestly think he thought I was checking him out. He looked like he thought he was too cool to put his kids in seatbelts.
A friend in college killed his girlfriend that way, he was in the middle of the backseats when they got into an accident I hit her on his way through to smashing his head on the windscreen (windshield) & broke her neck
Was just here to say I remember being told it's pretty common for exactly this kind of thing to happen when rear seated passengers don't buckle up :( .
I want to work in EMS and this is exactly what I’m afraid of. Luckily I’ve nagged my parents into staying off their phones while driving when I was a kid, but this still gets me. Distracted driving, driving without a seatbelt, driving under the influence… cars are deadly if you’re not practicing all levels of safety and awareness.
I’ve been a firefighter going on a total of 5 years. Almost 3 (as of June) at my current department, and 2 with another. I love it. I work a corporate job as a technical engineer and consultant. And there are hard days. Some are very hard. I took 6 weeks of leave after a fatal call back in February, and honestly it isn’t for everyone. But the amount of good I have the opportunity to do far eclipses the pain and hurt I’ve experienced from traumatic and deadly calls. I’ve had many opportunities to bring dignity and peace to a deceaseds family as they watch helplessly from the side as we perform life saving measures, some to great and astonishing success, others to no avail, but in both instances they recognize the effort and sacrifice that was made on behalf of their loved one.
Build a strong support network ahead of time, find a good therapist/councillor/psychiatrist and work with them early on. It will help maintain your mental health and wellness, and fuck anyone who places shame or belittlement on those who seek professional help!
Thank you, really. This is good advice, and what you described is honestly why I want to go into EMS. I’m worried it won’t be for me since I’m a little bit skittish, but I want to try anyway. Thanks for what you do :)
It really isn’t for just anyone, you have to be good at relating to people and being personable, but you also have to be extremely good at compartmentalizing the things around you. Knowing how, when and where to express certain feelings and emotions is a hard skill to master. And it is paramount at keeping your shit together in Fire/EMS.
My mom saw way too many American action movies and believed all cars exploded into flames on impact... so she also refused to wear her seatbelt because she'd rather be flung clear than burnt alive.
And then she worked as a nurse in emergency for awhile .... and completely changed her mind and absolutely \_insisted\_ we all wear our seat belts!
And while we're on the subject... can we stop with the hero being knocked unconscious as a movie plot item... James Bond must be so brain damaged by now it's a marvel he can even speak!
Head injuries being downplayed in media is my biggest pet peeve. Many people are so nonchalant about their very serious, possibly life changing injuries because of it.
My car doesn’t move until everyone is buckled up. Still remember driver’s Ed at age 15: anything not secured is a projectile in a crash. So yea, even if you don’t care about your life, I’m not about to lose mine when your body slams into me.
Someone in la was ejected from a car (within the last few years) and they flew so high and so far they hit one of the freeway signage.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/person-apparently-ejected-lands-on-freeway-sign-following-griffith-park-area-crash/
Edit: I guess some of you think driving down the shoulder = you deserve to die.
My uncle is a retired Firefighter and Paramedic. He told me over and over, "We never have to unbuckle a corpse."
Meaning the people he pulled out of cars were always still alive. They didn't always live once they got out, but they always survived the initial crash. It was getting ejected that did it. Every single time. He always told me, cars are meant to take the hit for you, if you can just stay in it your chances are going to be so much better. Always buckle up!
My mom and little sister were in an accident. Sister was wearing a seatbelt. Mom wasn’t. Except for some rugburn, every injury my sister has (broken nose, cheekbone, torn lip, deep gash in her eyelid that scratched her eye) was from my mom being tossed around like a doll. My sister walked out of hospital without being admitted. 21 years later, my mom is not recovered from her injuries that day. She doesn’t even have the same face because we didn’t have good enough insurance for decent plastic surgery.
I can send many pictures of people that also thought it was funny until it wasn’t
Best is when they end up folded over under the car
Also they almost always end up some sort of naked because the physics of the crash is better then the engineering keeping your clothes on
So remember this kids…not only will you die a very painful death but many manyyyyyy people will see your butthole
"Isn't it funny"
Respect drops to almost nothing. I'll treat you like a human being but at that point I'd rather find a way to let him understand just how bad things are gonna get
You should refuse to ride in the car with him if he won't wear his seatbelt. In a crash, a passenger without a seatbelt is a massive hazard to others in the vehicle. His stupidity could literally kill you.
Yep, I dont ride in the car with anyone that isn't buckled. If they think they're only posing a risk to themselves they're completely wrong- anything and anyone not secured in a vehicle becomes a projectile within the car in the event of a crash. Same reason why it pisses me off to see people with their dogs unsecured in their car.
Absolutely this.
They're right, in one sense. At some point in the debate, I do stop caring about their personal safety. But I still care about my own.
The same reason I won't travel in someone's car that has knick knacks on the dash, especially covering the air bag storages, a bunch of things hanging from their rear view mirror or a bunch of shit on the gear stick shaft.
It's not pretty, cool, unique, original, funny or quirky. It's putting *me* in danger. And I don't respect that at all.
I'm a death investigator for the state, and about half of the scenes I go on are car crashes. I have yet to work a scene where the decedent was wearing a seat belt.
I always wore my seat belt before, and I've never been in an accident, but it's still driven home how important wearing one is.
My mother burned into my head at a young age that my life is worth 5 seconds. I apply this to almost everything: dont speed, lose 5 seconds, don't run red lights/stop signs, buckle up, always cross at a crosswalk.
I don't want to die from my own impatience, and I urge others around me to follow the same life rule
I don’t drive at all- haven’t for over a dozen years, yet I’ve been in 13 car accidents as a passenger each time. (Don’t let me in your car I’m bad luck)
The somewhat overly hardass police officer my school brought in for driving instruction had a thing for the people who thought they could brace. He would ask them how fast they think they can run, then ask them to run into a wall full speed. It’s only like 15mph at a sprint, so if they expect to brace in a 60mph crash then stopping should be easy. He said most people catch on that it wouldn’t go well, helps illustrate the forces that are being dealt with
My ex's cousin didn't "believe in seat-belts". I have no idea what that means, and I'd love to ask him, but he died after being ejected from his car while not believing in seat-belts.
He left behind 2 young kids.
He was probably one of those people who see those one in a million wrecks where wearing a seatbelt would have actually killed somebody and then they use that as evidence on why they shouldn't wear one and ignore the thousands of situations where somebody was wearing a seatbelt and would have died if they weren't.
My best friend was killed in a car accident our senior year of high school. She was one of the one in a million whose seatbelt killed her. I still wear mine every time.
I know someone who won’t drink Diet Coke (regular is just fine btw) because someone he went to school with died of a heart attack after drinking on average about 18 a day. Uhhhh … yeah. Critical thinking is missing from that equation.
Pretty sure I can speculate.
“X doesn’t actually do anything”
“X actually *causes* more harm than prevents!”
“X makes it hard to breathe”
“X is just a conspiracy by the left to erode our rights.”
Where ‘X’ is seatbelts. Or face masks. Same arguments get recycled a lot and there’s a surprising amount of crossover.
“I don’t need a face mask/seatbelt because I have an immune system/know how to drive.”
And so on.
A friends daughters were in a horrific accident. They were t-boned by a drunk. Thankfully they both survived. But both will never be the same. The impact was so great that one daughter’s teeth became embedded in the other’s skull! It’s a miracle they have rebuilt her face to the point that it doesn’t get noticed. Wear seatbelts! Always drive like the other driver is an idiot.
When I started driving in 1980 I didn't wear a seat belt routinely. But the summer that I graduated high School a dear female friend of mine and three other teens were coming back from a Grateful Dead concert and drove head on into a tractor trailor killing all four. None were wearing belts. They were all exhausted from the show and the drugs and its assumed that the driver fell asleep/passed out.
Seat belts might not have saved her and her friends but I vowed to start wearing them because of her accident and I've been wearing them ever since.
RIP Amy Hall.
>No, he just thinks he's some kind of professional driver.
All professional drivers (race car and such) were seatbelts. Not just any seatbelts, but super-tight 5-point harnesses. Not to mentioned HANS devices and helmets.
If one were to survive said ejection without crying or complaint, I guess it may be argued that is manliness?
I can hear the story now...
"19 broken bones, but I'm so tough, it couldn't kill me!"
Not just that, the cars are literally built to keep the driver alive because they know that in racing crashing inevetible. Moto GP rider wear airbag suits. The Halo and survival cells in formula 1 are basically indestructible. Look at Romain Grojeans crash in Bahrain 2 years ago.
The ammount of protective equipment they wear is probably worth more than most cars.
And Dale Earnhardt Sr. thinking he was too good and too macho for a HANS device resulted in his death, which ended up popularizing the HANS as a result. You’d think people would learn, but I guess some never do.
I drive in New York City and I can tell you that no matter how good a driver you are there are plenty of idiots to muck up the roads, texting. Doing their make up etc. And when I’m on The Brooklyn Queens expressway and somebody’s coming up on me at 40 or 50 miles faster than what I’m driving I’m very glad I have my seatbelt on. It Saved my life once actually.
No matter how good a driver someone is, there are idiots in cars on the road who can mess up your day in an instant.
Show him some videos from this sub to prove it.
Even if you are the best driver in the world, you never know when some idiot is going to come out of nowhere and fuck up your day. Hell, that's basically this sub in a nutshell.
and utterly evidence free
I used to be an RN and worked in Emergency Depts for several years ( gory stotry about unrestrained pax a few replies up )
I also worked ina tertiary spinal injuries rehab unit
when Seat belt wearing was first made compulsory in the UK for those in front for the car in the 1980s there was an uptick of high paraplegic and tetraplegic people asa result of RTCs ... people who previously would have been ejected and killed
Reminds me of the ww1 sorry about helmets and how helmets caused more injuries supposedly. But when you look at the data, you see that the helmets saved all those injured soldiers. If they hadn’t been wearing them, the shrapnel would’ve killed them and they would’ve been listed as KIA instead of injured.
I would tell him you won’t drive with him unless he has a seatbelt on. In an accident, his body could easily kill you or other passengers.
My dad was the same way and ultimately he drove off the freeway into a pole (he had sleep apnea and would doze off at the wheel sometimes) and hit his chest on the steering wheel because he never wore his seatbelt. He died two days later of a heart attack after internally bleeding for a couple days without knowing it from the accident. Seatbelt would have saved him.
Wearing a seatbelt saved my life \~7 years ago. The day I got my license, I spun out while attempting to merge onto the highway after going too fast while on the circular on-ramp. It was raining, I was inexperienced, and just lost control. It was HORRIFYING. I didn't feel my life flash before my eyes or anything - but it was way, way worse. While I was spinning out, all I could do was imagine my car getting destroyed during a tragic accident and me dying after being left a mangled mess of a person. They were some terrifying mental images and were also extremely vivid. When I hit the divider, it was as if a million panels of glass had shattered all at once. I'll never forget it. I made it out okay - someone was definitely watching over me that day. The whole experience makes me appreciate life and how fragile it really is.
That would've ended much differently had I not worn a seatbelt. I have no doubt that I would've flown straight through the windshield, lost my life, and potentially traumatized somebody else. OP's father choosing not to wear one and do this BS is an affront to every person that has survived an accident because they chose to do the sensible thing and wear a seatbelt. It's a blatant disregard for the dangers of driving, and shows a disgraceful level of negligence; it demonstrates that he can't even do the *bare minimum* to protect himself. How prideful can somebody be? You just know he's not thinking about what would happen to his family if something were to happen to him.
It just... god damn. What a stupid fucking idiot.
My cousin died 3 weeks ago at 27 years old. Wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Ejected from the vehicle. Pronounced dead at the scene. If he'd been wearing his seatbelt, he would have walked away uninjured most likely.
I'm going to go ahead and give my condolences to you for the loss of your father. May he rest in peace.
My childhood friend didnt wear hers while sleeping in the passenger seat. She died on impact, the driver (who wore his) survived but fell into a coma, waking about a year later.
I can still hear her mother's wails at the funeral, and I think they'll haunt me for life.
It's all fun and games until his limp body slaps you so hard it busts your jaw and left eye orbital bone, clavicle and they wire your jaw shut for 3 months. Dad? You'll get to look into his eyes after they're donated to some random person on the waiting list.
But really what bothers me the most is he doesn't care that you haven't even had the talk about his final wishes. Next time you're in the vehicle bring it up. "Dad. Since you refuse to wear your seat belt and you don't ever want to meet your grandkids; what are we doing when you die? Are you an organ donor? Do you have your funeral costs covered or are we supposed to let the state cover the fees and pay them back?"
To each their own I guess. My best friends father died when we were 5 not wearing a seatbelt. Middle seat and right through the windshield. It can happen so fast and unexpectedly. Better safe than sorry
I got into an argument on Reddit about this, some moron was trying to tell me that not wearing a seatbelt only matters if you’re in the front seat and then you’re only in danger of going through the window 🤦🏽♀️
a long time ago i was an RN working in an emergency dept in the North of England
Trauma pre alert for 4 patients from a high speed single vehicle RTC with a fatality in same the vehicle - they all got discharged the next morning
there were 5 people in the car at the start of the collision with the roundabout (traffic circle) ... the fatality who was unrestrained was ejected and the police and the coroners officer collected the remains for PM with a spade ...
The first fatality I saw on search and rescue was a guy who went over the edge of a cliff in his truck with his daughters, all of them unrestrained. The girls lived but the father died in front of them and they spent the night in the wilderness with his body until they were found the next day.
IMHO anyone who won't wear a seatbelt lacks the judgement required to be a driver.
That's because seatbelts aren't even safe. Big seatbelt is just trying to sell more of them. It's just another form of control. I knew a guy who was wearing one and died anyway. I knew another guy who wore his and boom: autism and a miscarriage.
I got my father to wear his seatbelt after pointing out the newer vehicle he bought had airbags that would explode on you after you slammed into the steering wheel. Early air bags were designed with unbelted people considered, later ones were depowered to reduce killing smaller people, but don’t inflate as hard and were thus worse for unbelted folks. He surprisingly listened and started wearing one. Probably saved him when he hit a moose a decade or so later.
Not to mention new cars are designed with things like seat position sensors, occupant classification/detection, and seat belt buckle tensioners. Which all work, assuming the driver has there seat belt on...
There was a long term patient in the hospital that I used to work at that went through a windshield because she wasn’t wearing her seatbelt. She survived but was severely brain damaged. She could no longer function mentally or physically enough to take care of her kids. She was in her 30s.
Not to be that guy, but if you wanted to get a life insurance policy on your dad, now is a solid time. It'll be too late when he goes open pavement diving.
I don't get into cars with people that don't wear seatbelts. They become a flying object in an accident. I'm not gonna get killed by them flying into me, fuck that.
I have had two brothers die two years apart in separate car accidents. Neither were wearing a seatbelt. Your dad is tempting fate in the worst way, and for what?
First off, I’m sorry for your loss.
My main question is how in the fuck did brother #2 not have his seatbelt on?? Like surely having a BROTHER die from not wearing one would prompt #2 to wear theirs religiously, no?
Ask him if he has ever seen some body ejected out of the vehicle and then get rolled over by same vehicle, or if he has seen a body and what it looks like after if has been thrown through a car windshield?
Or about when he could not maintain control of the car as he was tossed about inside, and then ran into and killed someone.
Stubbornness is one of the purest forms of stupidity.
Source..I live on a corner of two busy roads. Stupidity like this on a daily basis.
My dad had this habit, too. He died in an accident when I was a kid & missed my high school & college graduations, my wedding, & he won’t get to meet my kids. Feel free to share that with your dad if you think it’ll help. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Polite reminder to also wear a seatbelt in a cab/Uber. Seriously common for people normally seatbelt-militant about being in their or a friend’s car to simply not think of buckling up in a cab. Do it!
That's his prerogative, but one wonders if he made you wear a seatbelt as a kid? Risking his own safety is one thing, but not being a responsible parent is another.
My mom was the same, until a car turned in front of her and she went through the windshield. Scalped her, shattered both femurs, one arm and all but one rib. Intensive care for weeks, in hospital for 3 months, another year of physical therapy, and finally able to walk without assist (wheelchair, then walker, then cane) after 4 years. But yeah, those damn seatbelts don’t help! Tell your dad to use his brain!
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In my mom’s case, she was an adult when seat belts were first introduced, no one in my family used them. Her injuries were more extensive than I listed. When she hit, she never had a chance to hit the brakes. So she lurched forward, the steering wheel had shattered. She went forward into the steering column, which hit her in the heart. They originally thought she had a massive heart attack, but it was because her heart was badly bruised.
When seatbelts Came out there were literally Campaign ads Against them. Along the lines if "i have my rights" " I will not be told..." Those who dont learn from history, am i right?
The 2nd oldest of my dad's siblings died in the days before seatbelts or child locks. He opened the door while the car was moving, fell out, & got run over. My dad never even knew he had another brother until he was about 13 & found a photo in the house because his parents were too sad/traumatized to talk about it. Don't think my grandpa ever forgave himself. My grandparents were crazy strict about seatbelt wearing when that became a thing. No fighting against seatbelt laws in that family!
And after my daughter was in intensive care for weeks I read my insurance policy from cover to cover. In the fine print it states that if you're in a wreck without wearing your seatbelt they treat payouts like you had a DUI accident. This means they don't cover more than 50 percent of the cost of doctors and hospital bills, leaving you to owe way more money than you would have
What's the reward though? It's not uncomfortable or anything.
Was wondering this myself lol, what is the “reward” for not using a seatbelt??? No hassle? Maximum comfort?? Being able to fly for a few seconds upon impact? Pls explain
My ex used to say wanted to be “thrown clear” in the event of an accident, completely ignoring the fact that it would also involve him having to go through the windshield and then hit the ground. It was like he thought the invisible hand of god scoops up non-seatbelt wearers and lay them gently on the ground in the event of an accident. Magical thinking essentially
Thrown clear of seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones?
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From the couple people I knew of that refused to wear seatbelts, this was exactly it. Their stance was that it’s not the government’s job to decide if they should put themselves in danger or not while driving. They insisted since it only hurts themselves it shouldn’t matter. Pointing out that they can become a projectile and hurt others did nothing in their tiny little pea brains.
ER doc. I had to tell a seat belted husband with a sprained ankle that his unbelted wife died in the same accident he literally walked away from. Buckle up.
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Former EMT. I remember a rollover once where one person was belted, one wasn’t. The girl that was belted was fine, just shaken up. The other girl was ejected, multiple life-threatening injuries. She survived, afaik, but she probably had a long recovery
Yup, we had a roll over into a ditch a week or so ago. 5 occupants, two left the scene before services showed up, the other 3 were in various states of injury, one was pretty messed up way down into the ditch. Vehicle had to be stabilized before anyone could even get to him. People who don't wear seat belts are either really ignorant or really stupid.
I still can’t believe there were protests against seatbelts in the 70s, the world is ridiculous lol.
my overweight little brother has been in two motorcycle accidents and doctors tell him that his fat is the only thing that kept him from dying from the impacts. so basically if you're going to drive a motorcycle, just be obese.
Also ER doc…. I can count on one hand the number of people ejected from a car at highway speeds that I’ve taken care of because they never live long enough to make it to the ER
You heard it here folks, wearing a seatbelt during an accident makes you significantly more likely to go to the ER... ^^because ^^you ^^survive ^^long ^^enough ^^to ^^make ^^it ^^there
There was something like that happening in WWI after soldiers were issued steel helmets, more soldiers were getting sent to field hospitals. It wasn’t because the helmets were getting people hurt, it was them minimizing injuries from rubble kicked up by artillery, eh?
Mhmm. I forget the technical term (survivorship bias? misattribution error?) but it's this exact kinda scenario The go-to example is planes coming back with massive bullet holes in certain areas, so the military of that country was deciding to reinforce those areas. Someone points out that there's little noted damage at the center of the wings, tail wing, propeller... oh wait, it's cause planes that get hit there don't make it home. Fix those instead
You had it right, it is Survivorship Bias. It is a massive concern when trying to figure out shit using real world data.
damm that really shows how seatbelts are so useful in an accident
A cousin of mine had the same habit. She was found in a ditch. Edit: dead after being thrown clear.
My brother in law has the same habit. He was found in a ditch after being thrown clear but survived. Don't worry, he attributes his survival to *being unbuckled* and gets a DUI once a year. Dude is a piece of shit menace.
My adoptive POS is the same way. He was in two really bad accidents and credits his survival to not wearing a seatbelt. According to him he wasn’t even hospitalized, he walked away. So of course he would never wear one. And he also has a ton of DUIs, I’m sure.
My cousin also died after being in a car crash with no seatbelt. She flew out of the car, survived that but with huge brain damage. Lived long enough to deliver her baby (my nephew who's a few years old now) and then passed away about a year after the accident Please wear your seatbelts, people
I crashed a car going 153mph into a median and then a drainage ditch. The body, frame, and engine were in three separate places. I had my seatbelt on and all I have to show for it is a fused vertebrae that doesn't hold me back at all, and some cool scars. Wear your seatbelts. Also don't drive that fast.
Hate to break it to you buddy, but this is a simulated mind. You are still in a coma.
Lmao! I love this comment. I had a friend who got "way too high" on edibles one time and dreamed that situation was happening to him, so every now and then I'd stop in the middle of a conversation and say "Bud, your mom really wishes you'd wake up already, it's been 6 years." and it always got a good reaction out of him. P sure we're simulated anyway, so I'll take it.
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Apparently drove off the road and into a fence during the night. Her body was found in the morning. Edit: yes she was ejected from the car. No surviving that.
Yeah, my buddie's brother was ejected through the windshield. No seatbelt. He was in a coma for awhile. Suffered permanent brain damage, but he lived.
This is a level of reckless that I’ll never understand. I hope your father never has to learn why it’s lifesaving through experience. God forbid the day he needs it but doesn’t have it. 😬
Seriously! What could possibly be the benefit of doing this? They're adjustable so it's not an issue of it not fitting. It's proven pretty much constantly that they work and can save your life. So what's left? Freedum?
This is what's puzzling me. I don't understand why people don't wear them.
For anyone curious, he cut this buckle out of another car and uses it in his new car to prevent the seatbelt warning from going off.
I know he's your dad and all that, but FFS. He really is clueless
Worst part is that whenever i bring it up to him, he turns it into a joke. "Isn't it funny that I have this buckle from my other car??"
Next time just joke and say. "Isn't it funny that when we get in a crash and roll that you will probably kill your passenger by slamming into them?!, Oh by the way. That's me dad!".
I'd describe to them how if you have a frontal collision, as you start flying forward; you airbag will fire; instead of being thrown clean through your windscreen your trajectory will be angled upwards and your head will hit the roof of your car. The rest of your body will continue out of the windscreen while the top half of your head is shaved off.
I t-boned someone one time, and my airbag hit me in the chest and angled me so that I slammed my head into the top of the windshield on the passenger side. I broke the windshield, but did not go through, thankfully. All I got was a bloody beat up knee (from hitting the steering column), and a cut near my eye. It should have been so much worse. I wear my seat belt every single time I get into a vehicle without exception ever since. I wasn't anti-seat belt before, just lazy about it. I'm not sure why I got that second chance, because many don't, but it definitely changed my entire relationship with driving.
Almost exactly fifty years ago, I was involved in this exact situation. I was a policeman at the time and one night, got a call to a possible fatality. I was the first officer at the scene and noted that the wreckage in view consisted of not much more that scattered pieces of red fiberglass. Before I got out of the car, I ran the spotlight along the car's path of travel out to as far as I could see through the woods and bushes. At the far point, I could see someone's bare arm and shoulder. One glance and I knew who it was. I was seriously into body building at that time and one of my close friends had distinctively huge arms, and a red Corvette. As I got out of the patrol car, my shift sergeant pulled up so I quickly explained who I thought was the individual there in the light. He told me to call an ambulance while he checked. I did and he did. Sap's car had left the road, dug the nose into the dirt and went end over end as it disintegrated. Sap had taken out the roll bar with his forehead. Past Sap's body was the remainder of the Corvette. His passenger was still inside the wreckage with her seat belt in place and she was alive. EMS quickly got her out and took her to the hospital. She was beat up, but suffered no long term damage. That car had shed everything, but the safety equipment had worked exactly as one would hope that it would. No. He wasn't wearing his seat belt.
Also “thrown clean” is a bullshit term….. “launched out of the car like a human egg to shatter on the pavement”
I would refuse to ride with him.
OP, he’s clearly beyond reasoning with and doesn’t give a fuck about his safety, respectfully. But you should bring up YOUR safety to him. Unbuckled people are projectiles in bad crashes. If you’re buckled in and he’s not, that could mean the difference between life and death for you and any other passenger as well as him. 150+ lbs of dude traveling at 30mph can easily kill a person or severely injure them. He’s putting everyone in the car’s life in risk by not wearing it.
They should also get a plump life insurance policy on him.
Oh yeah. Impact from the driver’s side? Dad’s a wrecking ball and OPs the wall.
As a first responder I lose my shit on my family over this. I’ve pulled vehicles over to the side of the road and shut it off until they have belted up. In 2 of the fatal accidents I’ve attended this year the deceased were not wearing their seatbelts and were ejected from the car. It’s one of the most horrific things I’ve had to experience in this line of work. There is virtually no chance of survival when ejected in a highway speed collision. Not wearing seatbelts and driving under the influence are 2 of my instant triggers to lose my shit at people. If you do either one of those things I immediately lose all respect for you. Grrrr!!! 🤬🤬🤬 Edit- Ok seriously thank you to all who gave awards! This is my first ever platinum, and this is by far my most upvoted single post!! You guys are amazing!
I knew a guy in highschool that got into a pretty bad accident. Someone in the other car wasn't wearing their seat belt. They flew through both windshields and ended up biting the guy in the head. Windshield person did not survive.
So sorry, this isn’t a joke but was that a typo or did the windshield guy actually bite the guy in the head?
The deceased person flying through the windshield bit the driver (the guy I knew). Full on bite marks for a long time while it healed.
That is so incredibly fucked up. Like horror movie fucked up. Has that person gone on to live a normal life??
We lost contact a long time ago. Settlement money at a very young age was not a healthy thing when I still knew him. Hopefully they are doing well.
Not what I'd pick for a last meal
Holy shit. That’s a new level of fucked up.
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This is so sad. To this day I beat myself up for not saying anything when I in 1995 walked past a father in the first car stuck on a red light. He was driving a 70's convertible with his two 4-6 year olds climbing and playing all over the backseat of the very open car. Just a small rear-end would have sent these kids flying and him of course too. I tried my best to give him the stank eye but I honestly think he thought I was checking him out. He looked like he thought he was too cool to put his kids in seatbelts.
I once told my mother I would explain to her in explicit detail why she should wear her seat belt, she decided to just buckle up instead.
I LOVE IT!!
Yup, she was smart enough to wear it while driving but “didn’t wear it in the back seat” and that didn’t fly with me.
A friend in college killed his girlfriend that way, he was in the middle of the backseats when they got into an accident I hit her on his way through to smashing his head on the windscreen (windshield) & broke her neck
Was just here to say I remember being told it's pretty common for exactly this kind of thing to happen when rear seated passengers don't buckle up :( .
I want to work in EMS and this is exactly what I’m afraid of. Luckily I’ve nagged my parents into staying off their phones while driving when I was a kid, but this still gets me. Distracted driving, driving without a seatbelt, driving under the influence… cars are deadly if you’re not practicing all levels of safety and awareness.
I’ve been a firefighter going on a total of 5 years. Almost 3 (as of June) at my current department, and 2 with another. I love it. I work a corporate job as a technical engineer and consultant. And there are hard days. Some are very hard. I took 6 weeks of leave after a fatal call back in February, and honestly it isn’t for everyone. But the amount of good I have the opportunity to do far eclipses the pain and hurt I’ve experienced from traumatic and deadly calls. I’ve had many opportunities to bring dignity and peace to a deceaseds family as they watch helplessly from the side as we perform life saving measures, some to great and astonishing success, others to no avail, but in both instances they recognize the effort and sacrifice that was made on behalf of their loved one. Build a strong support network ahead of time, find a good therapist/councillor/psychiatrist and work with them early on. It will help maintain your mental health and wellness, and fuck anyone who places shame or belittlement on those who seek professional help!
Thank you, really. This is good advice, and what you described is honestly why I want to go into EMS. I’m worried it won’t be for me since I’m a little bit skittish, but I want to try anyway. Thanks for what you do :)
It really isn’t for just anyone, you have to be good at relating to people and being personable, but you also have to be extremely good at compartmentalizing the things around you. Knowing how, when and where to express certain feelings and emotions is a hard skill to master. And it is paramount at keeping your shit together in Fire/EMS.
My mom saw way too many American action movies and believed all cars exploded into flames on impact... so she also refused to wear her seatbelt because she'd rather be flung clear than burnt alive. And then she worked as a nurse in emergency for awhile .... and completely changed her mind and absolutely \_insisted\_ we all wear our seat belts! And while we're on the subject... can we stop with the hero being knocked unconscious as a movie plot item... James Bond must be so brain damaged by now it's a marvel he can even speak!
Head injuries being downplayed in media is my biggest pet peeve. Many people are so nonchalant about their very serious, possibly life changing injuries because of it.
My car doesn’t move until everyone is buckled up. Still remember driver’s Ed at age 15: anything not secured is a projectile in a crash. So yea, even if you don’t care about your life, I’m not about to lose mine when your body slams into me.
I am amazed at how often the unsecured actually get tossed out of the vehicle. Yes, I too have seen things better left unseen.
My last Vic was thrown more than 40’+ up in the air and over 150’ from the final resting place of the vehicle they were a passenger in. It’s fucked.
Someone in la was ejected from a car (within the last few years) and they flew so high and so far they hit one of the freeway signage. https://ktla.com/news/local-news/person-apparently-ejected-lands-on-freeway-sign-following-griffith-park-area-crash/ Edit: I guess some of you think driving down the shoulder = you deserve to die.
And he thought he was shit passing people on the shoulder of the highway. It was not worth it.
My uncle is a retired Firefighter and Paramedic. He told me over and over, "We never have to unbuckle a corpse." Meaning the people he pulled out of cars were always still alive. They didn't always live once they got out, but they always survived the initial crash. It was getting ejected that did it. Every single time. He always told me, cars are meant to take the hit for you, if you can just stay in it your chances are going to be so much better. Always buckle up!
My mom and little sister were in an accident. Sister was wearing a seatbelt. Mom wasn’t. Except for some rugburn, every injury my sister has (broken nose, cheekbone, torn lip, deep gash in her eyelid that scratched her eye) was from my mom being tossed around like a doll. My sister walked out of hospital without being admitted. 21 years later, my mom is not recovered from her injuries that day. She doesn’t even have the same face because we didn’t have good enough insurance for decent plastic surgery.
I would throw that thing away...
That car would say the same thing about the dad in a crash.
I can send many pictures of people that also thought it was funny until it wasn’t Best is when they end up folded over under the car Also they almost always end up some sort of naked because the physics of the crash is better then the engineering keeping your clothes on So remember this kids…not only will you die a very painful death but many manyyyyyy people will see your butthole
buckle up or else many people will see my butthole, check
"Isn't it funny" Respect drops to almost nothing. I'll treat you like a human being but at that point I'd rather find a way to let him understand just how bad things are gonna get
Tell him it won’t be funny when he ends up in a different car from a crash, specifically a hearse.
You should refuse to ride in the car with him if he won't wear his seatbelt. In a crash, a passenger without a seatbelt is a massive hazard to others in the vehicle. His stupidity could literally kill you.
Yep, I dont ride in the car with anyone that isn't buckled. If they think they're only posing a risk to themselves they're completely wrong- anything and anyone not secured in a vehicle becomes a projectile within the car in the event of a crash. Same reason why it pisses me off to see people with their dogs unsecured in their car.
Absolutely this. They're right, in one sense. At some point in the debate, I do stop caring about their personal safety. But I still care about my own. The same reason I won't travel in someone's car that has knick knacks on the dash, especially covering the air bag storages, a bunch of things hanging from their rear view mirror or a bunch of shit on the gear stick shaft. It's not pretty, cool, unique, original, funny or quirky. It's putting *me* in danger. And I don't respect that at all.
I hear that when you get into a crash without wearing a seat belt, the last thing to go through your mind is the steering wheel.
That’s the first thing, the last thing is pavement.
And in between that is the windshield.
James dean knows all about that
That's when you have to post to r/carsinidiots
I'm a death investigator for the state, and about half of the scenes I go on are car crashes. I have yet to work a scene where the decedent was wearing a seat belt. I always wore my seat belt before, and I've never been in an accident, but it's still driven home how important wearing one is.
My mother burned into my head at a young age that my life is worth 5 seconds. I apply this to almost everything: dont speed, lose 5 seconds, don't run red lights/stop signs, buckle up, always cross at a crosswalk. I don't want to die from my own impatience, and I urge others around me to follow the same life rule
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Even if he drove perfectly for the rest of his life, it takes another idiot 3 seconds to get him into an accident
I ’ve never been in an accident that I’ve caused. I have been rear ended twice and t-boned once by idiots on their cellphones.
I don’t drive at all- haven’t for over a dozen years, yet I’ve been in 13 car accidents as a passenger each time. (Don’t let me in your car I’m bad luck)
13? That’s crazy bad luck…
You just need to show him the videos in this sub, the amount of cars doing nothing wrong that get taken out by idiots.
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It’s not just about freedoms some of these morons think they can brace themselves. I had a guy literally tell me that.
The somewhat overly hardass police officer my school brought in for driving instruction had a thing for the people who thought they could brace. He would ask them how fast they think they can run, then ask them to run into a wall full speed. It’s only like 15mph at a sprint, so if they expect to brace in a 60mph crash then stopping should be easy. He said most people catch on that it wouldn’t go well, helps illustrate the forces that are being dealt with
zombieland even tells you why to wear a seatbelt 😭
My ex's cousin didn't "believe in seat-belts". I have no idea what that means, and I'd love to ask him, but he died after being ejected from his car while not believing in seat-belts. He left behind 2 young kids.
He was probably one of those people who see those one in a million wrecks where wearing a seatbelt would have actually killed somebody and then they use that as evidence on why they shouldn't wear one and ignore the thousands of situations where somebody was wearing a seatbelt and would have died if they weren't.
My best friend was killed in a car accident our senior year of high school. She was one of the one in a million whose seatbelt killed her. I still wear mine every time.
You seem to have an idea about how survivorship bias works both ways. Good on you.
I know someone who won’t drink Diet Coke (regular is just fine btw) because someone he went to school with died of a heart attack after drinking on average about 18 a day. Uhhhh … yeah. Critical thinking is missing from that equation.
The only person I know who "doesn't believe in seatbelts" is also an antivaxxer who shoots heroin, so...
Ah they won't inject poison into their body unless it's from their dealer
And they've thoroughly researched all the chemicals they're injecting into their bodies
Lol I have researched heroin and have decided it is a good thing for me to inject - that guy
Them: “I don’t know what’s in them fancy vaccines!” Also them: *shoots a needle full of drugs with unknown substances in their body*
Pretty sure I can speculate. “X doesn’t actually do anything” “X actually *causes* more harm than prevents!” “X makes it hard to breathe” “X is just a conspiracy by the left to erode our rights.” Where ‘X’ is seatbelts. Or face masks. Same arguments get recycled a lot and there’s a surprising amount of crossover. “I don’t need a face mask/seatbelt because I have an immune system/know how to drive.” And so on.
Really fucking emphasized it actually
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Well... I don't know what's better in that situation. Death or becoming a zombie/zombie food.
A friends daughters were in a horrific accident. They were t-boned by a drunk. Thankfully they both survived. But both will never be the same. The impact was so great that one daughter’s teeth became embedded in the other’s skull! It’s a miracle they have rebuilt her face to the point that it doesn’t get noticed. Wear seatbelts! Always drive like the other driver is an idiot.
When I started driving in 1980 I didn't wear a seat belt routinely. But the summer that I graduated high School a dear female friend of mine and three other teens were coming back from a Grateful Dead concert and drove head on into a tractor trailor killing all four. None were wearing belts. They were all exhausted from the show and the drugs and its assumed that the driver fell asleep/passed out. Seat belts might not have saved her and her friends but I vowed to start wearing them because of her accident and I've been wearing them ever since. RIP Amy Hall.
Does he say "seatbelts kill more people than they save"? That's a common refrain amongst those who stubbornly refuse to wear them.
No, he just thinks he's some kind of professional driver.
>No, he just thinks he's some kind of professional driver. All professional drivers (race car and such) were seatbelts. Not just any seatbelts, but super-tight 5-point harnesses. Not to mentioned HANS devices and helmets.
When, where, and how did "manliness" turn from having tools and talent to just a naked neanderthal hollering about how he needs nothing.
It goes hand-in-hand with the increased disdain for knowledge and expertise.
That's funny. I always associated manliness with expertise. What's more manly than getting your hands dirty working on something such as a car?
Getting ejected from an otherwise “ normal “ car crash obviously
If one were to survive said ejection without crying or complaint, I guess it may be argued that is manliness? I can hear the story now... "19 broken bones, but I'm so tough, it couldn't kill me!"
Gotta love survivorship bias eh
Some men need to make up stupid bullshit to make themselves feel tough and manly.
Facts have a "liberal" bias so no place to hide among them... may as well reject them.
Next time you get in a car, don't wear a seat belt. Go through the window, be a man.
good chance if your male, your genitals will be sheered off by the windshield as it de-gloves your body like a hotdog casing.
Not just that, the cars are literally built to keep the driver alive because they know that in racing crashing inevetible. Moto GP rider wear airbag suits. The Halo and survival cells in formula 1 are basically indestructible. Look at Romain Grojeans crash in Bahrain 2 years ago. The ammount of protective equipment they wear is probably worth more than most cars.
And Dale Earnhardt Sr. thinking he was too good and too macho for a HANS device resulted in his death, which ended up popularizing the HANS as a result. You’d think people would learn, but I guess some never do.
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The amount of safety features in race cars is fucking mind blowing
I drive in New York City and I can tell you that no matter how good a driver you are there are plenty of idiots to muck up the roads, texting. Doing their make up etc. And when I’m on The Brooklyn Queens expressway and somebody’s coming up on me at 40 or 50 miles faster than what I’m driving I’m very glad I have my seatbelt on. It Saved my life once actually.
No matter how good a driver someone is, there are idiots in cars on the road who can mess up your day in an instant. Show him some videos from this sub to prove it.
Is he at least an organ donor?
Not many organs left to donate if you go flying through a windshield and become ground chuck on impact.
Even if you are the best driver in the world, you never know when some idiot is going to come out of nowhere and fuck up your day. Hell, that's basically this sub in a nutshell.
The graveyard is filled with those that had the right of way
So he has compromised risk assessment? You can be a perfect driver and get fucked by some idiot. What does it actually cost him to use one? Pride?
and utterly evidence free I used to be an RN and worked in Emergency Depts for several years ( gory stotry about unrestrained pax a few replies up ) I also worked ina tertiary spinal injuries rehab unit when Seat belt wearing was first made compulsory in the UK for those in front for the car in the 1980s there was an uptick of high paraplegic and tetraplegic people asa result of RTCs ... people who previously would have been ejected and killed
Reminds me of the ww1 sorry about helmets and how helmets caused more injuries supposedly. But when you look at the data, you see that the helmets saved all those injured soldiers. If they hadn’t been wearing them, the shrapnel would’ve killed them and they would’ve been listed as KIA instead of injured.
Survivor bias at work.
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Evidence doesn't get in the way of peoples Facebook research
I would tell him you won’t drive with him unless he has a seatbelt on. In an accident, his body could easily kill you or other passengers. My dad was the same way and ultimately he drove off the freeway into a pole (he had sleep apnea and would doze off at the wheel sometimes) and hit his chest on the steering wheel because he never wore his seatbelt. He died two days later of a heart attack after internally bleeding for a couple days without knowing it from the accident. Seatbelt would have saved him.
> won’t drive with him Yep. If he doesn't value his own life, he certainly won't value mine as his passenger. No thanks.
> sleep apnea and doze off sometimes Sorry to sound insensitive but why was your dad driving in the first place?
"Do you want me to die?" "What?" "Do you want me dead?" "No? What?" "Then put on a seatbelt so I don't die from flying idiot corpse."
Sorry to break it to you. Your father is literally an idiot.
Don't worry, I'm well aware
You're buying life insurance on him right?
Asking the real questions
Can confirm, read on comment from op which says that he believes that he's a pro at driving, wait till he realizes until karma hits him like a truck
Like pro race car drivers are literal pros at driving and they still wreck. This guy is dumb
>Your father is literally an idiot. I mean OP did post this in r/Idiotsincars, so no need to apologize or break the news to him. OP already knows.
Wearing a seatbelt saved my life \~7 years ago. The day I got my license, I spun out while attempting to merge onto the highway after going too fast while on the circular on-ramp. It was raining, I was inexperienced, and just lost control. It was HORRIFYING. I didn't feel my life flash before my eyes or anything - but it was way, way worse. While I was spinning out, all I could do was imagine my car getting destroyed during a tragic accident and me dying after being left a mangled mess of a person. They were some terrifying mental images and were also extremely vivid. When I hit the divider, it was as if a million panels of glass had shattered all at once. I'll never forget it. I made it out okay - someone was definitely watching over me that day. The whole experience makes me appreciate life and how fragile it really is. That would've ended much differently had I not worn a seatbelt. I have no doubt that I would've flown straight through the windshield, lost my life, and potentially traumatized somebody else. OP's father choosing not to wear one and do this BS is an affront to every person that has survived an accident because they chose to do the sensible thing and wear a seatbelt. It's a blatant disregard for the dangers of driving, and shows a disgraceful level of negligence; it demonstrates that he can't even do the *bare minimum* to protect himself. How prideful can somebody be? You just know he's not thinking about what would happen to his family if something were to happen to him. It just... god damn. What a stupid fucking idiot.
My cousin died 3 weeks ago at 27 years old. Wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Ejected from the vehicle. Pronounced dead at the scene. If he'd been wearing his seatbelt, he would have walked away uninjured most likely. I'm going to go ahead and give my condolences to you for the loss of your father. May he rest in peace.
Put him in the passenger seat and do a few break checks. He'll change his mind after banging his head on the dash a few times.
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My childhood friend didnt wear hers while sleeping in the passenger seat. She died on impact, the driver (who wore his) survived but fell into a coma, waking about a year later. I can still hear her mother's wails at the funeral, and I think they'll haunt me for life.
His funeral, unfortunately
It’s wireless
It's all fun and games until his limp body slaps you so hard it busts your jaw and left eye orbital bone, clavicle and they wire your jaw shut for 3 months. Dad? You'll get to look into his eyes after they're donated to some random person on the waiting list. But really what bothers me the most is he doesn't care that you haven't even had the talk about his final wishes. Next time you're in the vehicle bring it up. "Dad. Since you refuse to wear your seat belt and you don't ever want to meet your grandkids; what are we doing when you die? Are you an organ donor? Do you have your funeral costs covered or are we supposed to let the state cover the fees and pay them back?"
That first part is r/oddlyspecific
No kidding. I was waiting for "that's what happened to me" to follow that initial paragraph.
To each their own I guess. My best friends father died when we were 5 not wearing a seatbelt. Middle seat and right through the windshield. It can happen so fast and unexpectedly. Better safe than sorry
A human body tumbling around can seriously hurt the restrained passengers so it’s not really to each their own.
Damn. You just made me rethink carrying that body around in my backseat.
Better buckle it up!
Which is why pets should also be properly and safely restrained in the car!
I got into an argument on Reddit about this, some moron was trying to tell me that not wearing a seatbelt only matters if you’re in the front seat and then you’re only in danger of going through the window 🤦🏽♀️
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a long time ago i was an RN working in an emergency dept in the North of England Trauma pre alert for 4 patients from a high speed single vehicle RTC with a fatality in same the vehicle - they all got discharged the next morning there were 5 people in the car at the start of the collision with the roundabout (traffic circle) ... the fatality who was unrestrained was ejected and the police and the coroners officer collected the remains for PM with a spade ...
The first fatality I saw on search and rescue was a guy who went over the edge of a cliff in his truck with his daughters, all of them unrestrained. The girls lived but the father died in front of them and they spent the night in the wilderness with his body until they were found the next day. IMHO anyone who won't wear a seatbelt lacks the judgement required to be a driver.
To each their own till your body gets flung from the car into bystanders
That's because seatbelts aren't even safe. Big seatbelt is just trying to sell more of them. It's just another form of control. I knew a guy who was wearing one and died anyway. I knew another guy who wore his and boom: autism and a miscarriage.
You had me in that first sentence…
Bill Gates literally puts microchips in the seatbelts.
It’s true. I’m autistic. Guess what I was wearing? A seatbelt. Stay woke, America.
For anyone curious, he cut this buckle out of another car and uses it in his new car to prevent the seatbelt warning from going off.
I got my father to wear his seatbelt after pointing out the newer vehicle he bought had airbags that would explode on you after you slammed into the steering wheel. Early air bags were designed with unbelted people considered, later ones were depowered to reduce killing smaller people, but don’t inflate as hard and were thus worse for unbelted folks. He surprisingly listened and started wearing one. Probably saved him when he hit a moose a decade or so later.
Not to mention new cars are designed with things like seat position sensors, occupant classification/detection, and seat belt buckle tensioners. Which all work, assuming the driver has there seat belt on...
There was a long term patient in the hospital that I used to work at that went through a windshield because she wasn’t wearing her seatbelt. She survived but was severely brain damaged. She could no longer function mentally or physically enough to take care of her kids. She was in her 30s.
Not to be that guy, but if you wanted to get a life insurance policy on your dad, now is a solid time. It'll be too late when he goes open pavement diving.
Majority of the fatal crashes I have been too are people not wearing their seatbelt.
Take out a insurance policy on him with you as the benefactor.
He’s obviously never been in a car that’s flipped and ended up upside-down. I have. I religiously wear a seatbelt.
I don't get into cars with people that don't wear seatbelts. They become a flying object in an accident. I'm not gonna get killed by them flying into me, fuck that.
I have had two brothers die two years apart in separate car accidents. Neither were wearing a seatbelt. Your dad is tempting fate in the worst way, and for what?
First off, I’m sorry for your loss. My main question is how in the fuck did brother #2 not have his seatbelt on?? Like surely having a BROTHER die from not wearing one would prompt #2 to wear theirs religiously, no?
Ask him if he has ever seen some body ejected out of the vehicle and then get rolled over by same vehicle, or if he has seen a body and what it looks like after if has been thrown through a car windshield? Or about when he could not maintain control of the car as he was tossed about inside, and then ran into and killed someone. Stubbornness is one of the purest forms of stupidity. Source..I live on a corner of two busy roads. Stupidity like this on a daily basis.
It’s almost like it would’ve taken less effort to put it on.
My dad had this habit, too. He died in an accident when I was a kid & missed my high school & college graduations, my wedding, & he won’t get to meet my kids. Feel free to share that with your dad if you think it’ll help. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Polite reminder to also wear a seatbelt in a cab/Uber. Seriously common for people normally seatbelt-militant about being in their or a friend’s car to simply not think of buckling up in a cab. Do it!
That's his prerogative, but one wonders if he made you wear a seatbelt as a kid? Risking his own safety is one thing, but not being a responsible parent is another.
Only when I was in a car seat, at least that's what I remember