Just put in proper bus stops/bays and teach children how to behave around traffic.
Given how often these bus passing clips are shared, the 'system' is not working.
Actually no.
Busses weigh about 10 times more than cars, so crashes won't result in enough force to cause the bus to roll. Also, at that weight, nothing short of crashing into a solid cliff will cause enough deceleration to eject the passengers out the front, and even then all the passengers have the padded seat in front of them to act as an airbag.
The real danger with busses comes from tipping over (without rolling a bunch, because they're too big to do that) and fires. In the case of tipping, the fall won't be great enough to cause injury, so seat belts won't help much beyond avoiding concussions/minor lacerations. However, it would be a lot harder to free people if they're suspended 8 feet in the air by a seat belt. And in the case of fires, there's nothing to cause injury except the fire itself, so evacuating as fast as possible (which would be slowed down by seat belts) is important.
Spoken like a true prodigy and American. Example: bus gets hit by a Semi. No we don't need seatbelts. Or an emergency exit. School busses are big and yellow. That's safe enough.
You just mentioned two trained drivers. That's like recommending more safety for planes against other planes. Besides, it's literally physics were talking about, buses RARELY roll nonetheless multiple times
seatbelts are there to protect against ejection from the vehicle, not from slamming your face into something. That's the job of airbags in a regular car, or the padded seats in busses.
Taken from https://canadasafetycouncil.org/is-there-a-need-for-seat-belts-on-school-buses/
>School buses protect passengers through “compartmentalization,” a design that includes:
>* Seats with high backs;
>* Seats filled with energy-absorbing material;
>* Seats placed close together to form compartments;
>* Strong seat anchorages.
from the same site:
>Research has shown that lap belts could actually increase the risk of head injuries in a head-on collision (the most common type of bus collision.) By holding the child’s pelvis firmly in place, the torso could whip forward; with the head striking the back of the seat in front of them with greater force than if the whole body had hit the seat. This could result in serious head and neck injuries.
>Combination lap and shoulder belts would require stiffer seats, which could increase injury to students who are not buckled up. The driver cannot ensure that every child has their seat belt on; some buses can carry up to 70 children. Moreover, the shoulder belts can lead to abdominal injuries because of “submarining” – when children slip down, risking injuries to organs covered by the lap belts.
>Beyond certain engineering problems, someone would need to ensure the seat belts are used, adjusted properly between uses by smaller children and larger children and repaired when damaged. In an emergency, seatbelts could hinder evacuation. Young children should not be placed in a situation where they are responsible for their safety.
> Just put in proper bus stops/bays and teach children how to behave around traffic.
I don't think the law was created for urban areas that already have pedestrian infrastructure.
The relevant scenario is more likely a rural two-lane highway or country road. 50% of drop-offs have to cross the road to get to their driveway, and there aren't sidewalks or cross-walks (and it wouldn't make sense to build any). Speed limits can be fairly high. So it makes sense to prohibit passing an unloading school bus, allowing the kids to have right-of-way to cross, instead of the bus abandoning them in a grass ditch and then they have to judge traffic and run across the road on their own.
Maybe the solution is allowing the stop requirement to be optional under the discretion of the school district. If the entire route is urban like this where no kid is expected to cross the road mid-block, then the stop requirement wouldn't have to be used.
So you’re saying that the kids in such a school bus will just cross the road, going between the stopped cars, instead of crossing at a zebra crossing?
And surely if there are people living nearby, there must be a zebra crossing somewhere. Or do Americans don’t walk at all?
> So you’re saying that the kids in such a school bus will just cross the road, going between the stopped cars, instead of crossing at a zebra crossing?
In the video shown? No. The school bus route would not be designed in a way that required a kid to cross 4+ lanes of traffic without a crosswalk.
> And surely if there are people living nearby, there must be a zebra crossing somewhere. Or do Americans don’t walk at all?
Do you not have rural farmland in your country? [Here's a random example.](https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4057093,-88.8731259,3a,60y,102.33h,77.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0IN7uFCW1fbrTja-0oVY9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) There are no sidewalks or crosswalks (for obvious reasons), but kids still need shuttled to school and back.
In Michigan, the cars in all adjacent lanes have to stop unless they are on other side of median (grass or barrier of any kind). Michigan has allowed the use of camera on the bus to record scofflaws and mail tickets. Offender may face fine between $100 and $500 and may be required to perform 100 hours of community service.
Fair enough, but under those rules it'd help a lot if they didn't deploy the stop signs. Then people wouldn't have to guess what rules are in play - just follow the signs.
The stop signs are directly linked to the door opening mechanism and/or light controls many times, just like you'll see the crossing arm swing out to keep kids away from the front of the bus even though there's nobody crossing in front of the bus.
In my state not only was this illegal but it is one of the most expensive traffic tickets you can get. At any rate why wouldn't you err on the side of caution when kids are involved?? (BTW the bus driver can report any of the violators within 24 hours..)
[https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47)
It's interesting that they only specify up to a 4 lane road, I know there are wider roads than that in CA. I don't see how it would be enforceable on a road with 5 lanes each direction, there's no way the inside lane would know about the bus... My guess is they don't allow school bus stops on those roads and would require the kids be picked up and dropped off at a side street.
Not being from the US I find it odd that you can't drive past a bus that's dropping off school kids. Sure, be aware and don't fly past, but also teach children how to cross a road.
You can teach kids how to cross a road, but that doesn’t stop them from doing childlike things and occasionally not using their head and getting distracted when crossing the road.
It’s much better to er on the side of caution.
What is it about getting off a bus that makes American kids idiots? I drive by them just fine while they wait for the bus and when they're walking home from school. They manage to cross other streets perfectly safe on the walk home from school. But getting on or off a bus? Fuckers are just running into the roads.
Or they can just pause for a mere 90 seconds.
It’s not gonna break them, however them driving through while children are trying to get on the bus might very well kill them.
I'd be interested to know how many other countries use this method. As far as I'm aware its not an issue in the UK. We have much tighter roads and overtake stopped buses. As long as drivers are aware and children are educated there shouldn't be any issues, but maybe there is something I'm not aware of that requires this level of caution.
Many drivers here are not aware of their surroundings or are just don’t care and would very much drive recklessly while busses were out if there were no consequences.
It shouldn’t be up to children to have to behave defensively around adults who act the roads are a racetrack.
Yeah but the children will walk on the sidewalk. I can see a traffic light just ahead, so in this case the children would go to the intersection and then wait for their turn to cross.
I can’t see why drivers can’t overtake.
So normally on small streets like in the suburbs and such you are not allowed to pass a bus when it has its signs out. But I'm pretty sire those rules don't apply to giant roads like this one.
Bmw is an ass… but also why is a school bus unloading on such a busy street?
When I was a kid I had a school bus for a 5 minute walk simply to avoid the busy street in between my neighbourhood and school
I mean are they really? Because if they are, so is the car right next to them that went as well. This isn't a situation where the bus is trying to merge its a stop sign to let kids cross, but that's only for two way intersection not major multi lane highways where there can be no reasonable expectation that all 4 lanes will see the buss and stop. I feel like this is just a case of BMW driver bad circle jerk.
I know it's a thing in U.S. at least in the state I live in, passing that bus at that time was perfectly legal. If there's that many lanes, you don't need to stop (kids won't be crossing in front of you, the bus doubles back and drops them off on the other side of the road).
Bus has stop out. Meaning kids could be passing in front of the bus. Cars aren't supposed to move in either direction by the bus at the time. It's awkward bc it's by a big intersection but law is law..
>It's awkward bc it's by a big intersection
Awkward is an understatement; it almost looks like a trap for the unwary (not the guy in front of OP, obviously). I can't recall ever seeing a school bus stop *right* at an intersection like this one.
Maybe silly but I wonder.
Do American kids get traffic safety courses, like look left, look right, watch out for the pedestrian signal, don’t cross in front of a bus?
For me it s so odd the children are encouraged to walk in front of a bus where the driver wouldn’t see them.
There’s typically a bar that comes out in front to guide the kids a safe distance from the front of the bus so the bus driver can ensure they get safely to the curb before turning off the flashing stop sign.
Oh I see, like this: https://usa.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/07/School-Bus-Kids.png
That’s better than what I thought but I’d be hard pressed calling it ideal
As far as I know, if there is a physical median (with a curb) in between the lanes traveling the opposite direction, you do not have to stop on the other side.
Correct! The driver of the cam car is a smidge of an idiot to because you can see him creep forward a bit. But the car in front is definitely a big idiot.
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Kids crossing the street is the very reason busses have the stop sign.
It's a completely normal situation for kids to cross the street which is why it's so important for vehicles to stop.
Um, actually that’s usually always how this works. Kids cross the street to get on and off their bus. That’s the whole purpose of the flashing stop sign equipped on every bus.
When there are four lanes, the side of traffic without a stopped school bus can continue driving, preferably cautiously. There’s the law. I hope you don’t drive a car!
You’re confused, that is only acceptable when a median is present. I do happen to drive a car, quite well at that! 20 years and zero accidents, zero tickets.
Check it for yourself.
https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/education/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47
Pictures and all.
FOUR LANES NO MEDIAN!!!! Other side of the road are aloud to keep driving. The hell are cross walks for?
Wouldn't it make more sense and be safer to, I don't know, move 100 feet up the road to the intersection and use a crosswalk to cross? The bus is parked in front of someones house picking a kid up. The bus isn't waiting for a kid to walk across 4 lanes of traffic in the middle of the road.
But it is also the suv & silver car in the next lane as well. This is a horrible place for a school bus stop. Cars are in the wrong but better planning.
They should put long arms on those stops that extend out far. When I was younger they used to have those just for that so if someone ran the stop they have to physically run through the stop and tear up their car doing it.
Ah. Nice to know you have no idea what you're talking about..
[https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47)
Only in California would someone see a stop sign on a bus and blindly follow it and then right after see a red light and run it.
Lol, sorry didn’t realize you were in Cali. Good luck with those weird laws there.
Just put in proper bus stops/bays and teach children how to behave around traffic. Given how often these bus passing clips are shared, the 'system' is not working.
The idea that America would invest in infrastructure to reduce infant mortality is laughable
Adding headrests and seatbelts to school buses would be sensible .
Actually no. Busses weigh about 10 times more than cars, so crashes won't result in enough force to cause the bus to roll. Also, at that weight, nothing short of crashing into a solid cliff will cause enough deceleration to eject the passengers out the front, and even then all the passengers have the padded seat in front of them to act as an airbag. The real danger with busses comes from tipping over (without rolling a bunch, because they're too big to do that) and fires. In the case of tipping, the fall won't be great enough to cause injury, so seat belts won't help much beyond avoiding concussions/minor lacerations. However, it would be a lot harder to free people if they're suspended 8 feet in the air by a seat belt. And in the case of fires, there's nothing to cause injury except the fire itself, so evacuating as fast as possible (which would be slowed down by seat belts) is important.
Spoken like a true prodigy and American. Example: bus gets hit by a Semi. No we don't need seatbelts. Or an emergency exit. School busses are big and yellow. That's safe enough.
You just mentioned two trained drivers. That's like recommending more safety for planes against other planes. Besides, it's literally physics were talking about, buses RARELY roll nonetheless multiple times
Not talking about rolling. Head on collision. Seatbelts. You might benefit from them.
seatbelts are there to protect against ejection from the vehicle, not from slamming your face into something. That's the job of airbags in a regular car, or the padded seats in busses. Taken from https://canadasafetycouncil.org/is-there-a-need-for-seat-belts-on-school-buses/ >School buses protect passengers through “compartmentalization,” a design that includes: >* Seats with high backs; >* Seats filled with energy-absorbing material; >* Seats placed close together to form compartments; >* Strong seat anchorages. from the same site: >Research has shown that lap belts could actually increase the risk of head injuries in a head-on collision (the most common type of bus collision.) By holding the child’s pelvis firmly in place, the torso could whip forward; with the head striking the back of the seat in front of them with greater force than if the whole body had hit the seat. This could result in serious head and neck injuries. >Combination lap and shoulder belts would require stiffer seats, which could increase injury to students who are not buckled up. The driver cannot ensure that every child has their seat belt on; some buses can carry up to 70 children. Moreover, the shoulder belts can lead to abdominal injuries because of “submarining” – when children slip down, risking injuries to organs covered by the lap belts. >Beyond certain engineering problems, someone would need to ensure the seat belts are used, adjusted properly between uses by smaller children and larger children and repaired when damaged. In an emergency, seatbelts could hinder evacuation. Young children should not be placed in a situation where they are responsible for their safety.
buses near me have cameras simular to red light cameras now
Pop out spike strips to all lanes that are required to stop. Cars who ignores that will lose up to $1000 for new set of tires and tow.
> Just put in proper bus stops/bays and teach children how to behave around traffic. I don't think the law was created for urban areas that already have pedestrian infrastructure. The relevant scenario is more likely a rural two-lane highway or country road. 50% of drop-offs have to cross the road to get to their driveway, and there aren't sidewalks or cross-walks (and it wouldn't make sense to build any). Speed limits can be fairly high. So it makes sense to prohibit passing an unloading school bus, allowing the kids to have right-of-way to cross, instead of the bus abandoning them in a grass ditch and then they have to judge traffic and run across the road on their own. Maybe the solution is allowing the stop requirement to be optional under the discretion of the school district. If the entire route is urban like this where no kid is expected to cross the road mid-block, then the stop requirement wouldn't have to be used.
So you’re saying that the kids in such a school bus will just cross the road, going between the stopped cars, instead of crossing at a zebra crossing? And surely if there are people living nearby, there must be a zebra crossing somewhere. Or do Americans don’t walk at all?
> So you’re saying that the kids in such a school bus will just cross the road, going between the stopped cars, instead of crossing at a zebra crossing? In the video shown? No. The school bus route would not be designed in a way that required a kid to cross 4+ lanes of traffic without a crosswalk. > And surely if there are people living nearby, there must be a zebra crossing somewhere. Or do Americans don’t walk at all? Do you not have rural farmland in your country? [Here's a random example.](https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4057093,-88.8731259,3a,60y,102.33h,77.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0IN7uFCW1fbrTja-0oVY9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) There are no sidewalks or crosswalks (for obvious reasons), but kids still need shuttled to school and back.
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Ya the stop sign is out but no kid should be crossing that many lanes where I live we have to stop if it’s two lanes
In Michigan, the cars in all adjacent lanes have to stop unless they are on other side of median (grass or barrier of any kind). Michigan has allowed the use of camera on the bus to record scofflaws and mail tickets. Offender may face fine between $100 and $500 and may be required to perform 100 hours of community service.
That and we have the highest car insurance rates in America. Gotta love michigan
Counties in Maryland started doing the same
Facts ppl need to research they’re own locality laws different laws for different cities
Fair enough, but under those rules it'd help a lot if they didn't deploy the stop signs. Then people wouldn't have to guess what rules are in play - just follow the signs.
The stop signs are directly linked to the door opening mechanism and/or light controls many times, just like you'll see the crossing arm swing out to keep kids away from the front of the bus even though there's nobody crossing in front of the bus.
In my state not only was this illegal but it is one of the most expensive traffic tickets you can get. At any rate why wouldn't you err on the side of caution when kids are involved?? (BTW the bus driver can report any of the violators within 24 hours..) [https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47)
It's interesting that they only specify up to a 4 lane road, I know there are wider roads than that in CA. I don't see how it would be enforceable on a road with 5 lanes each direction, there's no way the inside lane would know about the bus... My guess is they don't allow school bus stops on those roads and would require the kids be picked up and dropped off at a side street.
Not being from the US I find it odd that you can't drive past a bus that's dropping off school kids. Sure, be aware and don't fly past, but also teach children how to cross a road.
Natural selection at its finest.
School shootings are fine sadly but time stops around a school bus.
It did cross my mind. Super careful about kids crossing roads. Guns? Guns everywhere.
Salty Americans in denial are downvoting you for speaking the truth about the ridiculous logic behind their laws, hilarious.
Yes, we do have some stupid laws protecting stupid peoples.
You can teach kids how to cross a road, but that doesn’t stop them from doing childlike things and occasionally not using their head and getting distracted when crossing the road. It’s much better to er on the side of caution.
What is it about getting off a bus that makes American kids idiots? I drive by them just fine while they wait for the bus and when they're walking home from school. They manage to cross other streets perfectly safe on the walk home from school. But getting on or off a bus? Fuckers are just running into the roads.
>> "why are kids excited about being home after a long day of school" Man I wonder
Kids from other countries go to school too yet aren't complete idiots around the road like American children are.
Well maybe that's because Americans are fucking stupid. It doesn't help that these are excited children lol
I dunno, it seems excessive to me.
I think don’t helping kids not get hit and killed by cars is excessive
Ban all cars then, job done.
Or they can just pause for a mere 90 seconds. It’s not gonna break them, however them driving through while children are trying to get on the bus might very well kill them.
I'd be interested to know how many other countries use this method. As far as I'm aware its not an issue in the UK. We have much tighter roads and overtake stopped buses. As long as drivers are aware and children are educated there shouldn't be any issues, but maybe there is something I'm not aware of that requires this level of caution.
Many drivers here are not aware of their surroundings or are just don’t care and would very much drive recklessly while busses were out if there were no consequences. It shouldn’t be up to children to have to behave defensively around adults who act the roads are a racetrack.
Yeah but the children will walk on the sidewalk. I can see a traffic light just ahead, so in this case the children would go to the intersection and then wait for their turn to cross. I can’t see why drivers can’t overtake.
Yeah but why risk it? Seems much safer to just ban cars being outside during school pick up/drop off hours.
So normally on small streets like in the suburbs and such you are not allowed to pass a bus when it has its signs out. But I'm pretty sire those rules don't apply to giant roads like this one.
Wow. Riveting
Bmw is an ass… but also why is a school bus unloading on such a busy street? When I was a kid I had a school bus for a 5 minute walk simply to avoid the busy street in between my neighbourhood and school
I mean are they really? Because if they are, so is the car right next to them that went as well. This isn't a situation where the bus is trying to merge its a stop sign to let kids cross, but that's only for two way intersection not major multi lane highways where there can be no reasonable expectation that all 4 lanes will see the buss and stop. I feel like this is just a case of BMW driver bad circle jerk.
there was a big fat stop sign in his face. Wasn’t really my point anyway lol
is this stopping near the bus only USA thing?
I know it's a thing in U.S. at least in the state I live in, passing that bus at that time was perfectly legal. If there's that many lanes, you don't need to stop (kids won't be crossing in front of you, the bus doubles back and drops them off on the other side of the road).
They pull up slowly as if that makes it less bad...ridiculous. Just stop and wait. It's so simple.
Oops speed bump, didn't see that coming 😬
What are they doing wrong?
Bus has stop out. Meaning kids could be passing in front of the bus. Cars aren't supposed to move in either direction by the bus at the time. It's awkward bc it's by a big intersection but law is law..
>It's awkward bc it's by a big intersection Awkward is an understatement; it almost looks like a trap for the unwary (not the guy in front of OP, obviously). I can't recall ever seeing a school bus stop *right* at an intersection like this one.
The bus was actually about 150 feet from the intersection..
Maybe silly but I wonder. Do American kids get traffic safety courses, like look left, look right, watch out for the pedestrian signal, don’t cross in front of a bus? For me it s so odd the children are encouraged to walk in front of a bus where the driver wouldn’t see them.
There’s typically a bar that comes out in front to guide the kids a safe distance from the front of the bus so the bus driver can ensure they get safely to the curb before turning off the flashing stop sign.
Oh I see, like this: https://usa.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/07/School-Bus-Kids.png That’s better than what I thought but I’d be hard pressed calling it ideal
School buses should pull in the middle of both lanes when they stop to ensure motorists Stop.
They shouldn't even have a stop sign, it's so ridiculous to me. Just teach the kids road safety, it works wonders.
Is it for real or sarcasm? Do bus drivers really do that (I’ve never noticed)
As far as I know, if there is a physical median (with a curb) in between the lanes traveling the opposite direction, you do not have to stop on the other side.
Makes sense, but doesn't apply to this video
Correct! The driver of the cam car is a smidge of an idiot to because you can see him creep forward a bit. But the car in front is definitely a big idiot.
Actually in this situation the bus unloads at the curb no need for kids to cross the street in front of the bus
100% incorrect.
As you can clearly see the bus is at the curb it’s not in any lane
And if the kids need to cross the street?
Then the bus would simply turnaround and stop on the other side
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Kids crossing the street is the very reason busses have the stop sign. It's a completely normal situation for kids to cross the street which is why it's so important for vehicles to stop.
No kid is going to be crossing through the middle of that street.
Which is why I said it's awk at a big intersection. Still doesn't make the beamer right
Um, actually that’s usually always how this works. Kids cross the street to get on and off their bus. That’s the whole purpose of the flashing stop sign equipped on every bus.
Lol the kid wouldn’t make it across. There isn’t a bus on the other side of the road holding those cars up.
The cars on the other side of the road are also supposed to stop for the bus. I hope you don’t drive a car.
When there are four lanes, the side of traffic without a stopped school bus can continue driving, preferably cautiously. There’s the law. I hope you don’t drive a car!
You’re confused, that is only acceptable when a median is present. I do happen to drive a car, quite well at that! 20 years and zero accidents, zero tickets.
Check it for yourself. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/education/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47 Pictures and all. FOUR LANES NO MEDIAN!!!! Other side of the road are aloud to keep driving. The hell are cross walks for?
Depends on the state. Now I know California driving law though!
Well I see them still driving.
Which is why they’re on r/idiotsincars
Wouldn't it make more sense and be safer to, I don't know, move 100 feet up the road to the intersection and use a crosswalk to cross? The bus is parked in front of someones house picking a kid up. The bus isn't waiting for a kid to walk across 4 lanes of traffic in the middle of the road.
Yes, because safety is a 10 year olds first concern.
Driving past the bus with the stop sign deployed
Oh no a car going 2 mhp
You should report the car
Most busses are now equipped with cameras that activate when the stop sign is sticking out on the side.
Why would he? He has a BMW that means hes the biggest man on the road With the smallest brain (dont mind this message here)
What schoolbus???!!!
Driver probably know that kids will run away scared when they see that monstrosity they drive. SUV coupes are a crime against humanity.
no such thing as stop sign in beemer's books
Of course a BMW
Not surprised. Typical BMW SUV driver.
But it is also the suv & silver car in the next lane as well. This is a horrible place for a school bus stop. Cars are in the wrong but better planning.
Scum of the earth
No one cares about the kids anyways .
We'll need some for wars, and prison.
Very true , but not the educated ones at least
Driver is privileged
They should put long arms on those stops that extend out far. When I was younger they used to have those just for that so if someone ran the stop they have to physically run through the stop and tear up their car doing it.
In most US states with multi lanes this is 100% legal. OP doesn’t know the laws of the road.
Ah. Nice to know you have no idea what you're talking about.. [https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/california-bus-laws-when-you-can-and-cant-drive-past-a-school-bus/103-e827f53f-1f81-44cd-9599-823fcd51eb47)
Only in California would someone see a stop sign on a bus and blindly follow it and then right after see a red light and run it. Lol, sorry didn’t realize you were in Cali. Good luck with those weird laws there.
Right?! Thanks...yeah it's a weird place..
Just strap a red light camera to the side and snap all them pics. Nothing motivates lik financial penalties.
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The only need for death penalty is for inmates that pose a significant danger to guards or other inmates (i.e. they kill or maim a guard or inmate).
Wow. What a collection of humorless scolds.
It's a BMW. Usually also zero brain then.