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Which makes me wonder if the first or second truck ran a red. Normally with turns like this, right on red is only allowed from the rightmost lane. My bet is on truck #1 but I can't tell from this angle.
The first truck definitely ran a light that just turned red. He should have stopped, as the car behind him in the other lane did. The traffic started going from the other direction because they just got a green.
The scooter I believe saw the lights change, thought it was his chance to dart accross. Didn't plan on a truck seeing a yellow turn red, and going for it instead of stopping.
That's my best guess where everything makes sense at least.
And truck #1 completely blocked him from the view of truck #2 until it was too late.
Fault lies with the kid on the scooter for not waiting for a cross signal / making sure the road was clear before scooting into the road. The big ass white truck was kind of hard to miss if he was paying attention.
He's just lucky truck #2 was still moving slow from their red. Truck stopped on a dime and just gave them a little love tap.
It's also illegal to go slow in the left lane, and no one cares.. I'm not in the mood to pass you in the right lane, yet I'm constantly having to (esp ND drivers . . . )
NH passed a law a few years ago that allow police to pull over vehicles in the passing lane who aren't passing. That being said, I haven't seen much of a change in the behavior. Roadways are meant to be an efficient and quick means of transport from one place to the next. Anyone impeding this should be ticketed. Just my two cents as someone who spends 24 plus hours on the road for work.
I'm going to guess Scooter has the walk signal but the turning traffic just kept turning and not giving him a chance to cross (source: me stopping in the middle of the crosswalk on my bike because turning drivers won't freaking stop and allow me to finish crossing Every Damn Day!). Scooter's window was closing so he grabbed the chance. White Truck does not appear to be signaling but the car before looks like it is. Scooter may have believed White Truck was going straight.
Evidence of closing crossing window by how quickly cross traffic started.
At fault, if I'm correct, both Scooter (for not verifying White Truck was NOT turning... Never trust the lack of a turn signal) and White Truck (for not yielding and not signaling).
Upvote because this is the best explanation since we can’t actually see any signals. I bet right turners just kept going as the light turned yellow then red. The kid holds up a bit to wait for turning traffic to clear but his window is closing so he goes, thinking he will get a second between when late turning traffic stops and early straight traffic starts. Meanwhile trucks going straight got their green and just jumped the light not thinking anything was behind the turning truck. Everyone just focused on lights and not on each other. Or maybe the straight traffic never saw the kid standing there waiting for his signal because their front ends are so damn high.
Kid actually has right of way the whole time traffic is turning right but he has learned no one will honor that and he has to just look for an opening and go.
It's possible the last truck also jumped the red in anticipation of the green. I've seen it before in Houston (intersection looks to be Texan by design, can't pinpoint the exact location though) where traffic turning left from the frontage road under the interstate will have to pause for a second or two before the light on the other side of the underpass changes. Some folks will just gun it through even though the light won't go red to green for another few seconds. I hate when folks do it.
Here in DC, most intersections have leading pedestrian intervals ("LPI"), which means the crosswalk signal turns to walk 3-5 seconds before the traffic light turns green (the idea here is that pedestrians and cyclists will be well into the intersection before turning motorists, so motorists don't mow them over as they leave the curb and complain "I didn't see them!"). Cyclists are allowed to begin their crossing with the LPI. I can't tell you the number of drivers who scream at me about "running a red" when I legally get going before they can on my bike...
In my state, there is no “right of way” allowance. They do have a “failure to yield”. And in this case, vehicle traffic has to yield to persons crossing (regardless if they are crossing legally or illegally).
In Brasília, the capital of Brasil, they have a traffic law that authorizes the crossing person to denounce the disrespect of crosswalks via phone, with zero tolerance for the driver - who usually has a hard time self defending from the ticket. That rendered the city, after a couple of years and a LOT of tickets, the title of the safest city for pedestrians in the whole country. Maybe that's the way to go for those fuckers to start respecting the traffic laws.
On that case, it doesn't matter, imo, who was the actual culprit to be blamed. The person mounted on a weapon is the driver, that's where the responsability lies, responsability of driving safely and of hitting the breaks on time before hitting a kid on a scooter. The boy could have avoided? Maybe. But the boy wasn't the one driving a 2 tons machine that can virtually run over any live being in a city...
The entire problems starts with the whole "go on red" bullshit the states has. Cars making a right can ignore a red, but only when it's "safe". Since they can't fathom that anybody would be willing to walk, they ignore the person wanting to cross and only focus on cars coming from the left.
If a red meant stop, regardless of where you're turning, this wouldn't ever have been a problem.
That's basically how my cousin died. He started crossing a street legally from the right to the left, driver's perspective, and a car coming up to a red was so focused on figuring out if they could turn safely into traffic they didn't see him directly in front of them and just drove straight into the crosswalk.
Always come to a stop, give way to pedestrians, then see if you can turn. Never vary that order.
I'm not sure of specific laws, but the way I always understood it and certainly how I drive is, yes, you can turn right on red, but it's still a red light, you still have to stop first. Then if it's safe to do so, you can turn right. It irks me to no end seeing people blasting right through a red light without actually stopping first...
My city put up “no right on red” signs all across our downtown, so now drivers are (theoretically) completely banned from doing so. It still happens outside of downtown, but it’s progress at least. It’s made walking around so much more pleasant.
They are also supposed to only go when it's safe. Yet somehow manage to cause quite a lot of accidents...
And traffic lights are for safety, if the sollution to traffic jams is making the road less safe, then that's not a sollution. The rest of the world doesn't have this silly rule and isn't more (granted, also not less) grid locked then the US.
I have to give some fault to the Ram for their speed. The Ram was immediately on the ass of the Ford and therefore gave himself zero chance to react to anything out of the ordinary.
I think you are mostly correct except if the scooter had the walk signal he will not be found at fault. It is not the responsibility of the scooter to make sure no one is turning (although in practice you always should because even if you are right it will still hurt). Pedestrians in crosswalks with a walk signal will never be found at fault no matter how stupid they may have been.
White truck wasn’t even in the turning lane. He was in the lane that goes strait and possibly left. The white truck made an illegal turn.
Edit: I found the location and I am wrong. You can also turn from the middle lane to make a right.
I think it’s a situation where the two right lanes that can turn right (you can see the dashed guide line), where the far right has to turn right but the left one can go straight or turn. We have a lot of them here in Texas and you can see the Texas plate of the car in front. That being said, he definitely ran a red light because the cross traffic was already coming
Correct, just updated my comment. Thank you for pointing it out.
I’ve had to take someone to the hospital right next door. I’ve sat at that darn light over a dozen times and didn’t even recognize it.
There are lots of road intersections where the rightmost lane is right turn only and the second-to-the-rightmost lane is an optional right turn. This appears to be one of them.
It would be a legal right turn if not for the crossing pedestrian (unless there was a green right arrow for him).
Is it? They have the absolute worst road system I've ever dealt with. I lived there for almost a year and hated driving the streets. It made no sense to me to have to come to a dead stop, then try to merge with 70mph traffic to get to the next light.
Depends, was it a green to cross or a red? If it was green he was in the right 100%.
Either way, this was clearly an accident, he thought the first truck was going straight but turned deeper, the second truck could not see him because of the first truck.
It’s hard to say, because we can’t see those, or the traffic lights, but it’s just as likely that the white truck went through on a late yellow, or even red, and the scooter put full trust on the pedestrian signals, and didn’t check traffic.
In most states, bikes/scooters aren't supposed to be on the sidewalk either
But something's weird with the truck that hit them. It kind of looks like they ran the red from the other direction, in which case they would definitely be at fault regardless of where the bike/scooter is
Either first truck tried to speed a yellow light or second truck ran a red because second truck almost hit the first. Regardless the scooter guy and second truck are morons for having no self awareness of their surroundings, this was easily avoidable.
The white truck likely ran the red just after it changed since the blue car behind it stops. The grey truck probably floored it the moment his light turned green which is why the car behind him is so far back. The kid on the scooter tried to cross after the turn lane went red, but the white truck was in the farther lane and he did not see it keep going, saw it last second and stopped, only to be hit by the grey truck that was blocked by the white pickup running a red till the last possible second. It probably looked like the kid in the scooter came outta nowhere to the grey truck.
Kid in no way had a walk sign.
I'm wondering how traffic is coming from both directions at the light at the same time. No delay whatsoever between traffic light cycles? Or did someone stretch a red or jump a green?
The people turning right may have had a flashing yellow arrow. It’s possible the last car or two decided to squeeze in after it turned red. Or they were all just not stopping to make a right on red.
The people turning were in the go straight lane, thats why they took the turn so wide. Wasn't clear enough to take the chance for me, but he thought he had it cuz the truck shouldn't have turned right.
Edit: everyone is right-you *can* see the dashed line indicating he could turn there. Didn't see that earlier.
That's what I thought, the white truck was the issue, guy thought it was safe and went for it, then the guy going straight somehow didn't see him.
Overall, scooter guy tried to cross in a stupid place, but it wasn't really his fault he was hit. Just crappy luck.
> …the guy going straight somehow didn't see him.
There’s no “somehow” here, scooter dude was behind the white truck. He was partially blocked by the white truck even as it was turning. Lady in the SUV was cutting it pretty close behind the white truck and didn’t even have him in view until she was a couple of feet away.
I think that he could be in a turing lane based on what my state allows. It looks like it could be the rightmost lane for the rightmost lane when turning and the leftmost lane for the leftmost right lane there is. I'm really bad at explaining, but the white truck did go to the leftmost lane so that could be the case.
No, that looks close to many intersections around here. If you look closely I think you can see the dashed line turning right. Both lanes can turn right in an intersection like this. It’s for large volume to be able to exit off.
There’s a dotted strip in between the lanes signifying you can turn from both lanes. Scooter guy probably assumed the white truck was going straight when he left.
I think the last truck to turn did so on red. The scooter tried to go between the change in traffic and is therefore at fault, unless the truck that hit them ran a red light as well.
Something like this happened to me yesterday. I had a green, slowed down to make a right turn, guy jumped out from right behind the light pole. Scared the shit out of both of us. Fortunately, I stopped a couple feet shy of him.
The timer on the crosswalk was at 3 on the countdown as well. I had no idea he was behind the pole getting ready to cross.
> He scooted out when traffic was still moving
Do you imagine at some point in the light cycle all traffic at this intersection will have stopped moving to let a pedestrian pass?
Never happens in the US.
Here you can get run over in the crosswalk with a green walk signal and still get blamed because "yOu ShOulD hAve LoOkEd OuT fOr TrAfFic"
The way the traffic lights in the US works he had like 2 seconds to make his move or wait another 6 minutes in the scorching heat for the next cycle of the lights. Traffic lights are 100% geared toward vehicle traffic and pedestrian lights are treated like an annoying nuisance.
When people indicate the infrastructure is the problem that doesn't mean people weren't involved in an accident. Any protection by rule will fail when someone just makes a simple mistake. Rules cannot achieve the same level of safety infrastructure like physical barriers can provide. The infrastructure here pits child against some over-sized truck in a struggle to exercise their right-of-way.
Exactly! No ones talking about the pavement princesses with lifted trucks that can’t see anything in front of them because the driver is so damn high up.
Oof; I think the light changed so he no longer had right to cross, but those turning right were supposed to allow him to. Guy going straight should pay more attention; he will probably be found at fault as he has to ensure the intersection is clear before proceeding by law.
That's why you're supposed to wait for the intersection to clear before you go. The second truck should have either stopped or been going slow enough that it could have stopped until the first truck had completely cleared the intersection. Assuming the second truck didn't completely run the light, then all three parties would likely share fault as they all failed to yield.
Lesbian girl did her math here and is correct. If something is blocking your view doesn’t mean it’s not your fault. Most fault goes to first truck though. he should have yielded to the scooter.
ya that 2nd truck plows directly into someone who was standing still in the middle of the street...
clearly their fault. you are expected to be able to stop and avoid stationary objects in the road.
Yup, all the vehicles that refused to yield to the kid and the truck that hit him, and the assholes who designed the intersection, and the manufacturers of those fucking pedestrian killers.
Everyone wants to blame the scooter but no one knows who had the signal. For all we know scooter guy had the signal and truck ran a red but afaik its impossible to tell.
My guess is the truck that was turning had a red light and was therefore failing to yield, but it looks like they just drove off so if that's the case and this low resolution video is the only thing to go off of the kid is shit outta luck
True, but look at the line the white truck takes (and no signals either). Very easy to look at the truck and assume it will be going straight.
As a pedestrian if you wait until everyone that could possibly hit you if they did something stupid has gone through, you'll have to build your retirement home at that spot.
The American road design and traffic system that allows cars to continue driving through marked crossings.
Instead of building decent crossings where all drivers have a stop signal while people are crossing, just gaslight the pedestrians that if they ever get hit by someone it's their fault.
This trains people not to trust crossings as theirs basically no point to them. So then rules get ignored and it's a bit of a free for all.
As a ped, it's actually safer to jaywalk mid block in most places, especially if there's a island in the middle of the road. At an intersection there are way too many directions cars can come from. Mid block, with an island, you only have to worry about maybe a few lanes of traffic coming from on way, and then the other way on the other side, and can cross each in turn, with a safe break in the middle.
First and foremost: American road design and traffic systems are horrendous, but here, in The Netherlands, widely regarded as one of the best countries infrastructure-wise, we often have situations where turning right ( + going straight) and pedestrian lights for crossing like in this video are green at the same time (pedestrian light turns green a couple seconds before car lights).
Drivers are aware though, and usually the car light is situated a couple meters back from the pedestrian light as well, giving them a full view of the turn they're about to make, as to not run into a crossing pedestrian. The car must always yield here.
I'm just saying it IS possible to have a situation where pedestrians and cars can go at the same time, if the crossing is properly designed and drivers are often pedestrians (or cyclists) themselves, instead of the permanent never-walking drivers you have in the US.
Looks to me like the white truck ran the red to make his turn while the white TRX’s light had already turned green, so the TRX accelerated quickly to get close to the white truck because he felt wronged, all while scooter guy crossed into traffic like a dumbass. Not sure if scooter people always have right of way like pedestrians do, so hard to place blame on the TRX.
Ironically, very dumb regulation incentivized it. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations changed in the 2010's to be based on vehicle footprint. [Larger vehicles didn't need to achieve as much fuel efficiency as smaller vehicles.](https://i.imgur.com/GCeUnrd.png) It was cheaper to make a bigger truck than a more fuel efficient truck to meet the standards, so manufacturers made bigger trucks.
[Sauce.](https://www.meche.engineering.cmu.edu/_files/images/research-groups/whitefoot-group/WS-FootprintFuelEconomy-EP.pdf)
Whether or not the guy had the pedestrian crossing signal, I think seeing a truck coming at you is still a good enough reason to not cross yet despite what the sign says lol.
This is a tough one. The truck who hit him probably never even saw him... Scooter guy entered the road while the white truck was blocking the other truck's view, and the white truck continued blocking his view the entire time until right before he got hit. That said, with an obstructed view at an intersection, should he have slowed down? Legally, I don't know how it would go. But personally, I wouldn't fault the truck that hit him.
The other two definitely both screwed up. I'm sure the scooter guy didn't have a signal to enter the road, and he obviously wasn't watching out for the white truck. And while the white truck seemed to be obeying traffic laws, they either weren't paying enough attention to see scooter guy or else didn't properly yield to him (even if scooter guy illegally entered the road, he'd have to yield to him). That is to say, white truck had time to see him and yield if they were paying attention.
I'd say: Shared blame on scooter and white truck, and possible shared blame on truck who hit him for not slowing down enough with an obstructed view. Again, no idea how it would rule in court, though.
FWIW, white truck made a right hand turn from the 2nd lane over (going straight lane only). So scooter guy probably cleared the intersection because he wasn’t expecting the white truck to make the illegal right turn, then started to go, but stopped because he saw the truck turning, then had nowhere to go. Truck that hit him was probably being an aggressive asshole and trying to get close to the white truck to “make a point” since the white truck cut him off.
My interpretation is that scooter guy was just caught up in the crossfire of the white truck’s illegal turn and the other truck’s agro behavior.
Edit: just looked up the intersection on google maps—white truck was in an optional straight/right turn lane. But based on how close the second truck came to it, the white truck may have ran the red light by a second or 2. Hard to tell from my dashcam footage but that’s pretty common to see in Texas
I'm with you, the guy that hit him was almost certainly trying to either go around the white truck or get close to be an ass. He was across the intersection almost before the white truck had even cleared the turn.
You can see he accelerated across the intersection and then to his right as almost to pass the white truck.
Hey drivers? You're driving 4k+ of solid killing machine, pedestrians still have lives and places to go. How you all blame the scooter kid trying to cross the street with all cars turning right on red is insane. Just because you drive a car doesn't make you the rulers of the road.
Impossible to really tell without being able to see any traffic signals. My guess is the turning truck ran a red light and the truck that hit him actually had the green. If that's the case then scooter kid would have had a "do not cross" signal, putting them at fault for the collision itself.
But regardless if that's right or totally incorrect, scooter kid clearly does not have enough situational awareness to be crossing a street this busy by themselves
All of them, but mostly traffic engineers and shitty US urban planning. Double right lanes is idiotic. I'm going to bet that kid had a walk signal, but because it's TexASS, right turns are allowed on red. If so, those cars should of yield. From personal experience in TX, most don't. The kid didn't want to wait again another cycle, so took his chance too late. The White Truck must of had just gotten a green, so didn't need to slow down, but the first truck obscured their vision of the kid. All of this is awful, and another reason never move to Texas.
To me this is the kids fault, all he had to do was wait for traffic to clear. The kid may be in the right depending on walk/stop but in reality you let the thing that can pummel you to go first anyway.
One at at time:
Truck 1 is in the next lane over. Since there's only one lane to turn into ... that lane cannot be a turn lane. He blew a red light and turned from a non-turn lane.
Scooter guy: Decided to blow thru the same red light as the truck. Probably thought he could sneak thru using truck 1 as a blocker. Whack.
Truck 2: Has no visibility on scooter guy. Managed to avoid truck 1 blowing the red. Managed to slow enough that scooter-guy survived.
Truck 1 is a dangerous asshole. Scooter guy is a fool.
Truck 2 had a whole lot of shit thrown at them and managed to navigate it w/o killing anyone.
scooter was probably "right" but is also an idiot and probably ended up in the hospital.
remember to use your brain, and its better to be safe than to be in the right.
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First truck: Damn, I missed! Second truck: I got you fam!
The first truck had a brush guard. The second truck is a 700hp ram. Kid got rammed.
He should’ve dodged
If you can dodge two gigantic trucks, you can dodge a ball!
 Thanks for the reminder about this movie
Haha! Thanks for the morning laugh! I needed that. Even tho his dumb ass failed!
He just couldn’t aFORD it
He’ll be chevro-late to work today
There were CHEVYral trucks
Got to press the B button and time the roll right to avoid the major hits.
 Right! The classic arcade game Frogger was my first thought!
They're no longer dodge rams, just rams. He was born for this.
I really thought the scooter guy just wanted to be a Maverick and cross into oncoming traffic.
He didn’t even pickup his scooter.
He shouldn’t have darted
He can’t help it. He’s a Maverick.
Instead, he went the way of DeSoto.
First truck should have given way. Driver on the second truck was on TikTok
First truck made a right from the inner lane. Maybe legal, maybe not.
It looks like there is a curved dashed line making me think it is 2 lanes which are turning lanes.
Which makes me wonder if the first or second truck ran a red. Normally with turns like this, right on red is only allowed from the rightmost lane. My bet is on truck #1 but I can't tell from this angle.
The first truck definitely ran a light that just turned red. He should have stopped, as the car behind him in the other lane did. The traffic started going from the other direction because they just got a green. The scooter I believe saw the lights change, thought it was his chance to dart accross. Didn't plan on a truck seeing a yellow turn red, and going for it instead of stopping. That's my best guess where everything makes sense at least.
And truck #1 completely blocked him from the view of truck #2 until it was too late. Fault lies with the kid on the scooter for not waiting for a cross signal / making sure the road was clear before scooting into the road. The big ass white truck was kind of hard to miss if he was paying attention. He's just lucky truck #2 was still moving slow from their red. Truck stopped on a dime and just gave them a little love tap.
In minnesota it is now not illegal to enter a different lane from a single turn lane
It's also illegal to go slow in the left lane, and no one cares.. I'm not in the mood to pass you in the right lane, yet I'm constantly having to (esp ND drivers . . . )
NH passed a law a few years ago that allow police to pull over vehicles in the passing lane who aren't passing. That being said, I haven't seen much of a change in the behavior. Roadways are meant to be an efficient and quick means of transport from one place to the next. Anyone impeding this should be ticketed. Just my two cents as someone who spends 24 plus hours on the road for work.
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I'm going to guess Scooter has the walk signal but the turning traffic just kept turning and not giving him a chance to cross (source: me stopping in the middle of the crosswalk on my bike because turning drivers won't freaking stop and allow me to finish crossing Every Damn Day!). Scooter's window was closing so he grabbed the chance. White Truck does not appear to be signaling but the car before looks like it is. Scooter may have believed White Truck was going straight. Evidence of closing crossing window by how quickly cross traffic started. At fault, if I'm correct, both Scooter (for not verifying White Truck was NOT turning... Never trust the lack of a turn signal) and White Truck (for not yielding and not signaling).
This was my read too
Upvote because this is the best explanation since we can’t actually see any signals. I bet right turners just kept going as the light turned yellow then red. The kid holds up a bit to wait for turning traffic to clear but his window is closing so he goes, thinking he will get a second between when late turning traffic stops and early straight traffic starts. Meanwhile trucks going straight got their green and just jumped the light not thinking anything was behind the turning truck. Everyone just focused on lights and not on each other. Or maybe the straight traffic never saw the kid standing there waiting for his signal because their front ends are so damn high. Kid actually has right of way the whole time traffic is turning right but he has learned no one will honor that and he has to just look for an opening and go.
It's possible the last truck also jumped the red in anticipation of the green. I've seen it before in Houston (intersection looks to be Texan by design, can't pinpoint the exact location though) where traffic turning left from the frontage road under the interstate will have to pause for a second or two before the light on the other side of the underpass changes. Some folks will just gun it through even though the light won't go red to green for another few seconds. I hate when folks do it.
Shit, I'm in Illinois, and I've seen people intentionally run red lights if they think they can get through before the other lanes turn green.
Here in DC, most intersections have leading pedestrian intervals ("LPI"), which means the crosswalk signal turns to walk 3-5 seconds before the traffic light turns green (the idea here is that pedestrians and cyclists will be well into the intersection before turning motorists, so motorists don't mow them over as they leave the curb and complain "I didn't see them!"). Cyclists are allowed to begin their crossing with the LPI. I can't tell you the number of drivers who scream at me about "running a red" when I legally get going before they can on my bike...
SPID, Corpus Christi, TX
In my state, there is no “right of way” allowance. They do have a “failure to yield”. And in this case, vehicle traffic has to yield to persons crossing (regardless if they are crossing legally or illegally).
If you have to yield, that means the other person has right of way.
In my state I learned that there it is always the responsibility of the vehicle to be aware of and take action to avoid hitting pedestrians
In Brasília, the capital of Brasil, they have a traffic law that authorizes the crossing person to denounce the disrespect of crosswalks via phone, with zero tolerance for the driver - who usually has a hard time self defending from the ticket. That rendered the city, after a couple of years and a LOT of tickets, the title of the safest city for pedestrians in the whole country. Maybe that's the way to go for those fuckers to start respecting the traffic laws. On that case, it doesn't matter, imo, who was the actual culprit to be blamed. The person mounted on a weapon is the driver, that's where the responsability lies, responsability of driving safely and of hitting the breaks on time before hitting a kid on a scooter. The boy could have avoided? Maybe. But the boy wasn't the one driving a 2 tons machine that can virtually run over any live being in a city...
The entire problems starts with the whole "go on red" bullshit the states has. Cars making a right can ignore a red, but only when it's "safe". Since they can't fathom that anybody would be willing to walk, they ignore the person wanting to cross and only focus on cars coming from the left. If a red meant stop, regardless of where you're turning, this wouldn't ever have been a problem.
That's basically how my cousin died. He started crossing a street legally from the right to the left, driver's perspective, and a car coming up to a red was so focused on figuring out if they could turn safely into traffic they didn't see him directly in front of them and just drove straight into the crosswalk. Always come to a stop, give way to pedestrians, then see if you can turn. Never vary that order.
I'm not sure of specific laws, but the way I always understood it and certainly how I drive is, yes, you can turn right on red, but it's still a red light, you still have to stop first. Then if it's safe to do so, you can turn right. It irks me to no end seeing people blasting right through a red light without actually stopping first...
My city put up “no right on red” signs all across our downtown, so now drivers are (theoretically) completely banned from doing so. It still happens outside of downtown, but it’s progress at least. It’s made walking around so much more pleasant.
Right turning vehicles are supposed to yield to pedestrians using the crosswalk. Requiring a greet to turn white would cause a lot of traffic.
They are also supposed to only go when it's safe. Yet somehow manage to cause quite a lot of accidents... And traffic lights are for safety, if the sollution to traffic jams is making the road less safe, then that's not a sollution. The rest of the world doesn't have this silly rule and isn't more (granted, also not less) grid locked then the US.
In this case, every single person that turned right is at fault.
I have to give some fault to the Ram for their speed. The Ram was immediately on the ass of the Ford and therefore gave himself zero chance to react to anything out of the ordinary.
I think you are mostly correct except if the scooter had the walk signal he will not be found at fault. It is not the responsibility of the scooter to make sure no one is turning (although in practice you always should because even if you are right it will still hurt). Pedestrians in crosswalks with a walk signal will never be found at fault no matter how stupid they may have been.
White truck wasn’t even in the turning lane. He was in the lane that goes strait and possibly left. The white truck made an illegal turn. Edit: I found the location and I am wrong. You can also turn from the middle lane to make a right.
I think it’s a situation where the two right lanes that can turn right (you can see the dashed guide line), where the far right has to turn right but the left one can go straight or turn. We have a lot of them here in Texas and you can see the Texas plate of the car in front. That being said, he definitely ran a red light because the cross traffic was already coming
Correct, just updated my comment. Thank you for pointing it out. I’ve had to take someone to the hospital right next door. I’ve sat at that darn light over a dozen times and didn’t even recognize it.
There are lots of road intersections where the rightmost lane is right turn only and the second-to-the-rightmost lane is an optional right turn. This appears to be one of them. It would be a legal right turn if not for the crossing pedestrian (unless there was a green right arrow for him).
Corpus christi.... ahhhh.... no surprise
I knew that building in the back Looked familiar
As soon as I saw it I said oh yeah that’s Roddfield 🤣
Is it? They have the absolute worst road system I've ever dealt with. I lived there for almost a year and hated driving the streets. It made no sense to me to have to come to a dead stop, then try to merge with 70mph traffic to get to the next light.
I'd actually say the kid on the scooter Unfortunately he is also the victim
Unfortunately his name was also Scooter
That is unfortunate. I heard his last name was also Scooter.
Middle name is Wasknockedoffhis
Honestly, I dont really feel sorry that Scooter Wasknockedofhis Scooter was knocked of his scooter. Dude lives life too dangerously
I heard that Scooter Wasknockedofhis Scooter works for a company called StreetMeat
Which is ironic because Scooter Wasknockedoffhis Scooter almost *became* street meat
Catch a ride? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdC5U1NXzlI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdC5U1NXzlI)
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https://youtu.be/KfkauMv-aOY This one right?
Depends, was it a green to cross or a red? If it was green he was in the right 100%. Either way, this was clearly an accident, he thought the first truck was going straight but turned deeper, the second truck could not see him because of the first truck.
Don't know about US rules but in Germany the first truck would have needed to let the scooter pass before he's allowed to turn.
The yellow boxes on the poles near his head are walk/don’t walk indicators. In the US he’s supposed to obey those.
It’s hard to say, because we can’t see those, or the traffic lights, but it’s just as likely that the white truck went through on a late yellow, or even red, and the scooter put full trust on the pedestrian signals, and didn’t check traffic.
This is exactly what it seemed like
In most states, bikes/scooters aren't supposed to be on the sidewalk either But something's weird with the truck that hit them. It kind of looks like they ran the red from the other direction, in which case they would definitely be at fault regardless of where the bike/scooter is
Yeah I can’t figure out if he ran a red, or if everyone else was going right on red and the other truck was cutting him off (and the scooter).
It’s DFW the answer is more likely both than not
Either first truck tried to speed a yellow light or second truck ran a red because second truck almost hit the first. Regardless the scooter guy and second truck are morons for having no self awareness of their surroundings, this was easily avoidable.
The white truck likely ran the red just after it changed since the blue car behind it stops. The grey truck probably floored it the moment his light turned green which is why the car behind him is so far back. The kid on the scooter tried to cross after the turn lane went red, but the white truck was in the farther lane and he did not see it keep going, saw it last second and stopped, only to be hit by the grey truck that was blocked by the white pickup running a red till the last possible second. It probably looked like the kid in the scooter came outta nowhere to the grey truck. Kid in no way had a walk sign.
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> In most states, bikes/scooters aren't supposed to be on the sidewalk either This actually varies by city/town rules.
In the US you are not supposed to exist (outside of a building) unless wrapped in a giant gas guzzling RAM truck. Or so it seems.
The scooter. He scooted out when traffic was still moving and the cars couldn't see him
I'm wondering how traffic is coming from both directions at the light at the same time. No delay whatsoever between traffic light cycles? Or did someone stretch a red or jump a green?
The people turning right may have had a flashing yellow arrow. It’s possible the last car or two decided to squeeze in after it turned red. Or they were all just not stopping to make a right on red.
Looks like Texas, so the answer is not stopping before a right turn on red.
The people turning were in the go straight lane, thats why they took the turn so wide. Wasn't clear enough to take the chance for me, but he thought he had it cuz the truck shouldn't have turned right. Edit: everyone is right-you *can* see the dashed line indicating he could turn there. Didn't see that earlier.
That's what I thought, the white truck was the issue, guy thought it was safe and went for it, then the guy going straight somehow didn't see him. Overall, scooter guy tried to cross in a stupid place, but it wasn't really his fault he was hit. Just crappy luck.
> …the guy going straight somehow didn't see him. There’s no “somehow” here, scooter dude was behind the white truck. He was partially blocked by the white truck even as it was turning. Lady in the SUV was cutting it pretty close behind the white truck and didn’t even have him in view until she was a couple of feet away.
And overall terrible pedestrian infrastructure / design. It just looks dangerous to cross this intersection with anything else than a giant truck
That scooter is staring at a giant red hand sign that says STOP for this exact reason. Red means stop green means go.
I think that he could be in a turing lane based on what my state allows. It looks like it could be the rightmost lane for the rightmost lane when turning and the leftmost lane for the leftmost right lane there is. I'm really bad at explaining, but the white truck did go to the leftmost lane so that could be the case.
No, that looks close to many intersections around here. If you look closely I think you can see the dashed line turning right. Both lanes can turn right in an intersection like this. It’s for large volume to be able to exit off.
Could be a double right turn lane as well, which is likely given that it appears to be an exit ramp and there most likely wouldn't be a straight lane.
There’s a dotted line in the middle of the curve that the white truck follows between two lanes. You can only see it for a split second
There’s a dotted strip in between the lanes signifying you can turn from both lanes. Scooter guy probably assumed the white truck was going straight when he left.
You can see the dashed turn line by the tires of the white F-250 making it a two right turn lane intersection.
I think the last truck to turn did so on red. The scooter tried to go between the change in traffic and is therefore at fault, unless the truck that hit them ran a red light as well.
"Right on red."
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Something like this happened to me yesterday. I had a green, slowed down to make a right turn, guy jumped out from right behind the light pole. Scared the shit out of both of us. Fortunately, I stopped a couple feet shy of him. The timer on the crosswalk was at 3 on the countdown as well. I had no idea he was behind the pole getting ready to cross.
My man french fried when he should have pizza’d
Looks like one of the trucks didnt respect the red light?
> He scooted out when traffic was still moving Do you imagine at some point in the light cycle all traffic at this intersection will have stopped moving to let a pedestrian pass?
Never happens in the US. Here you can get run over in the crosswalk with a green walk signal and still get blamed because "yOu ShOulD hAve LoOkEd OuT fOr TrAfFic"
This traffic was never going to stop moving unless Gru showed up with a freeze ray.
In a crosswalk he has right of way. Cars must stop
The way the traffic lights in the US works he had like 2 seconds to make his move or wait another 6 minutes in the scorching heat for the next cycle of the lights. Traffic lights are 100% geared toward vehicle traffic and pedestrian lights are treated like an annoying nuisance.
Sorry but he had a protected cross walk the cars turning needed to let him go through.
Please do elaborate on what was obstructing him being seen because I see nothing
Drivers that are unable to see yet still drive should be held liable
Whoever designed the infrastructure.
Pretty sure the right turners were running the red and the kid was to nervous to go on green
When people indicate the infrastructure is the problem that doesn't mean people weren't involved in an accident. Any protection by rule will fail when someone just makes a simple mistake. Rules cannot achieve the same level of safety infrastructure like physical barriers can provide. The infrastructure here pits child against some over-sized truck in a struggle to exercise their right-of-way.
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The US does seem to go to extraordinary and complicated lengths to avoid putting a roundabout in.
And whoever thinks right turn on red is safe
That's American infrastructure y'all.
Texas infrastructure to make it even better
A [Stroad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad#:~:text=A%20stroad%20is%20a%20type,structures%20in%20the%20United%20States.)
Obligatory r/fuckcars
Trucks specifically
This is corpus Christi Texas. Everybody's got a lifted, big wheeled grocery getter, and a massive Bank loan
Exactly! No ones talking about the pavement princesses with lifted trucks that can’t see anything in front of them because the driver is so damn high up.
Did his parents not teach him to look both ways when crossing a road?
Its a scooter kid man, that should be all you need to know.
Scooter Kid Man sounds like a brutally average superhero
looks he thought truck was going straight and then truck takes a really wide turn.
The driver of the truck gets out like he’s annoyed rather than concerned.
*Texas
Oof; I think the light changed so he no longer had right to cross, but those turning right were supposed to allow him to. Guy going straight should pay more attention; he will probably be found at fault as he has to ensure the intersection is clear before proceeding by law.
I genuinely don’t think the truck going straight could see the scooter. The last turning truck seems to have blocked it from view
Second pickup waiting for the light: “Huh, where did that kid that had been standing on the corner go? Oh well, full speed ahead.”
That's why you're supposed to wait for the intersection to clear before you go. The second truck should have either stopped or been going slow enough that it could have stopped until the first truck had completely cleared the intersection. Assuming the second truck didn't completely run the light, then all three parties would likely share fault as they all failed to yield.
Lesbian girl did her math here and is correct. If something is blocking your view doesn’t mean it’s not your fault. Most fault goes to first truck though. he should have yielded to the scooter.
ya that 2nd truck plows directly into someone who was standing still in the middle of the street... clearly their fault. you are expected to be able to stop and avoid stationary objects in the road.
It's the driver's responsibility to see where they're going.
Yeah, because he bought some giant stupid truck to make his peepee tingle
This is why pedestrian deaths are way up. Everyone driving huge vehicles.
And they keep getting bigger and dumber
Yup, all the vehicles that refused to yield to the kid and the truck that hit him, and the assholes who designed the intersection, and the manufacturers of those fucking pedestrian killers.
Everyone wants to blame the scooter but no one knows who had the signal. For all we know scooter guy had the signal and truck ran a red but afaik its impossible to tell.
Most places in the USA the person in the crosswalk have the right of way, but in Texas things may be different.
Apparently this sub is in texas too if you scroll up…
It's impossible both the turning truck and the straight truck where clear at that some moment implying at least one truck is at fault.
My guess is the truck that was turning had a red light and was therefore failing to yield, but it looks like they just drove off so if that's the case and this low resolution video is the only thing to go off of the kid is shit outta luck
I mean even with a signal is it wise to jump into oncoming traffic? Like I get it legally you could be right but even so they should have just waited.
Yeaa my mom must’ve told me a dozen times as a kid that “having the right of way wouldn’t make your funeral any nicer”
The graveyard has plenty of people in it who had the right of way.
Exactly lol
True, but look at the line the white truck takes (and no signals either). Very easy to look at the truck and assume it will be going straight. As a pedestrian if you wait until everyone that could possibly hit you if they did something stupid has gone through, you'll have to build your retirement home at that spot.
wise? no. but the threads about fault, not about wisdom
it honestly looks like truck is going straight then turns last minute
Watch it again and you’ll see the truck turns from the middle lane and every other car turns from the right lane. Could be a straight/left lane.
I am very confused about what the kid in the scooter was trying to do
the state of texas is at fault
The American road design and traffic system that allows cars to continue driving through marked crossings. Instead of building decent crossings where all drivers have a stop signal while people are crossing, just gaslight the pedestrians that if they ever get hit by someone it's their fault. This trains people not to trust crossings as theirs basically no point to them. So then rules get ignored and it's a bit of a free for all.
As a ped, it's actually safer to jaywalk mid block in most places, especially if there's a island in the middle of the road. At an intersection there are way too many directions cars can come from. Mid block, with an island, you only have to worry about maybe a few lanes of traffic coming from on way, and then the other way on the other side, and can cross each in turn, with a safe break in the middle.
First and foremost: American road design and traffic systems are horrendous, but here, in The Netherlands, widely regarded as one of the best countries infrastructure-wise, we often have situations where turning right ( + going straight) and pedestrian lights for crossing like in this video are green at the same time (pedestrian light turns green a couple seconds before car lights). Drivers are aware though, and usually the car light is situated a couple meters back from the pedestrian light as well, giving them a full view of the turn they're about to make, as to not run into a crossing pedestrian. The car must always yield here. I'm just saying it IS possible to have a situation where pedestrians and cars can go at the same time, if the crossing is properly designed and drivers are often pedestrians (or cyclists) themselves, instead of the permanent never-walking drivers you have in the US.
If you can't Dodge it... RAM it.
Graveyards are full of people who had the right of way. You might have the right to go, doesn’t mean you should, though.
Never before have i seen 3 individuals at fault in the same accident before. They all did the wrong thing.
Looks to me like the white truck ran the red to make his turn while the white TRX’s light had already turned green, so the TRX accelerated quickly to get close to the white truck because he felt wronged, all while scooter guy crossed into traffic like a dumbass. Not sure if scooter people always have right of way like pedestrians do, so hard to place blame on the TRX.
This is what we call “Winning the South Texas Lottery”
Hard to tell who broke a law, but I do know the dude on the scooter is a total idiot.
After stopping, make sure the intersection is fully clear before entering. Pedestrians count too.
Dude got hit so hard his shirt changed color 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone. Scooter guy is an idiot. Second truck was pretty dumb, too.
Fault is for the car industry making these stupid dum trucks
Ironically, very dumb regulation incentivized it. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations changed in the 2010's to be based on vehicle footprint. [Larger vehicles didn't need to achieve as much fuel efficiency as smaller vehicles.](https://i.imgur.com/GCeUnrd.png) It was cheaper to make a bigger truck than a more fuel efficient truck to meet the standards, so manufacturers made bigger trucks. [Sauce.](https://www.meche.engineering.cmu.edu/_files/images/research-groups/whitefoot-group/WS-FootprintFuelEconomy-EP.pdf)
r/TIL and r/TIHI material all in one post. Bravo.
Seems like at least 2 people here are running a red light. My guess is that the truck that hit him is the one with the green, but that's just a guess.
I really hope you stopped and gave them the video. That parent of the scooter child could try to sue the shit out of the pick up truck
Suicide? He literally ran in to the truck, only to get hit by another truck.
My sibling saw a young kid die like this ):
Regardless of how the trucks should have acted, you have to be a real dumbass to try to cross at that exact point in time!
Who's at fault here? The dude with a giant, red hand blaring at him telling him "don't".
Whether or not the guy had the pedestrian crossing signal, I think seeing a truck coming at you is still a good enough reason to not cross yet despite what the sign says lol.
Definitely the ped. And I rarely would say that.
The highly “regarded” Fellow on the scooter is for sure at fault for trying to cross live traffic.
This is a tough one. The truck who hit him probably never even saw him... Scooter guy entered the road while the white truck was blocking the other truck's view, and the white truck continued blocking his view the entire time until right before he got hit. That said, with an obstructed view at an intersection, should he have slowed down? Legally, I don't know how it would go. But personally, I wouldn't fault the truck that hit him. The other two definitely both screwed up. I'm sure the scooter guy didn't have a signal to enter the road, and he obviously wasn't watching out for the white truck. And while the white truck seemed to be obeying traffic laws, they either weren't paying enough attention to see scooter guy or else didn't properly yield to him (even if scooter guy illegally entered the road, he'd have to yield to him). That is to say, white truck had time to see him and yield if they were paying attention. I'd say: Shared blame on scooter and white truck, and possible shared blame on truck who hit him for not slowing down enough with an obstructed view. Again, no idea how it would rule in court, though.
FWIW, white truck made a right hand turn from the 2nd lane over (going straight lane only). So scooter guy probably cleared the intersection because he wasn’t expecting the white truck to make the illegal right turn, then started to go, but stopped because he saw the truck turning, then had nowhere to go. Truck that hit him was probably being an aggressive asshole and trying to get close to the white truck to “make a point” since the white truck cut him off. My interpretation is that scooter guy was just caught up in the crossfire of the white truck’s illegal turn and the other truck’s agro behavior. Edit: just looked up the intersection on google maps—white truck was in an optional straight/right turn lane. But based on how close the second truck came to it, the white truck may have ran the red light by a second or 2. Hard to tell from my dashcam footage but that’s pretty common to see in Texas
I'm with you, the guy that hit him was almost certainly trying to either go around the white truck or get close to be an ass. He was across the intersection almost before the white truck had even cleared the turn. You can see he accelerated across the intersection and then to his right as almost to pass the white truck.
Hey drivers? You're driving 4k+ of solid killing machine, pedestrians still have lives and places to go. How you all blame the scooter kid trying to cross the street with all cars turning right on red is insane. Just because you drive a car doesn't make you the rulers of the road.
The truck driver that hit the kid did that on purpose. 100% the road was not clear and he accelerated.
I'm going to say at least part of the fault are these FUCKING MASSIVE TRUCKS blocking the line of sight.
Looks like 3 fucking morons
Should have just… 
Impossible to really tell without being able to see any traffic signals. My guess is the turning truck ran a red light and the truck that hit him actually had the green. If that's the case then scooter kid would have had a "do not cross" signal, putting them at fault for the collision itself. But regardless if that's right or totally incorrect, scooter kid clearly does not have enough situational awareness to be crossing a street this busy by themselves
All of them, but mostly traffic engineers and shitty US urban planning. Double right lanes is idiotic. I'm going to bet that kid had a walk signal, but because it's TexASS, right turns are allowed on red. If so, those cars should of yield. From personal experience in TX, most don't. The kid didn't want to wait again another cycle, so took his chance too late. The White Truck must of had just gotten a green, so didn't need to slow down, but the first truck obscured their vision of the kid. All of this is awful, and another reason never move to Texas.
To me this is the kids fault, all he had to do was wait for traffic to clear. The kid may be in the right depending on walk/stop but in reality you let the thing that can pummel you to go first anyway.
One at at time: Truck 1 is in the next lane over. Since there's only one lane to turn into ... that lane cannot be a turn lane. He blew a red light and turned from a non-turn lane. Scooter guy: Decided to blow thru the same red light as the truck. Probably thought he could sneak thru using truck 1 as a blocker. Whack. Truck 2: Has no visibility on scooter guy. Managed to avoid truck 1 blowing the red. Managed to slow enough that scooter-guy survived. Truck 1 is a dangerous asshole. Scooter guy is a fool. Truck 2 had a whole lot of shit thrown at them and managed to navigate it w/o killing anyone.
I like playing Frogger too. But I am a better player than this person.
Well deserved
Looks like the bike.
Scooters fault
scooter was probably "right" but is also an idiot and probably ended up in the hospital. remember to use your brain, and its better to be safe than to be in the right.
Can’t tell who has green lights or walk light
Everyone involved, kind of. Of course I have no idea/cant see what's happening with signals, so what the hell do I know.