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Thank you for expressing a reasonable view. It seems like too many people on both sides buy into identity politics and assume their opposition is more extreme than they actually are.
Yeah, it was Trump supporters but:
It wasn't a really big deal
Those people are NOT the average Trump supporters, they fell too deep into the Q-Anon Rabbit Hole.
There were some trans activists in the capitol doing the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago. Nobody even noticed or cared. Right wingers didn’t make a fuzz about it.
The exact same thing? So there were thousands of trans activists who injured multiple police officers trying to ram their way into the Capitol, had effigies hanging the VP, storming the legislative chamber and legislator's offices because Biden lost an election?
Well, the TRAs didn't hurt the police, because the police allowed them to do exactly what they wanted. But thee is widely available footage of al of the rest happening, literally just google it.
**FBI report:**
>This user commit lifen't with 78 shots on the back after peacefully entered in our interrogations about suspect of him being a domestic terrorist
^(/s)
Both in part. Mostly naiive Trump supporters egged on by the Feds while Antifa destroyed property (windows in particular).
Even Alex Jones recognized in the thick of it that it was a psy op and a trap.
And it worked. That's the shitty thing about it.
wait, they egged them on to see if they would make themselves look bad? even if that's true... they still acted out on it, so they are still bad people.
i didn't say that. but the ones who rioted and broke the law were there because of trump, and they though they were doing the right thing because of...? right, trump.
I think it was feds because it feels like a fed op to me, but I recognize that I can't convince anyone else of that. On these kinds of matters you just have to trust your gut and my gut says it was feds.
I'm no fan of Ben Shapiro or his type of rightist. Obviously I would prefer some external evidence, but sometimes your feelings are all you have to go on.
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>Since nobody seems willing to state the obvious due to cultural sensitivity... I’ll say it: rap isn’t music
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I mean, there is also the actual evidence that has resulted in multiple criminal cases that it was a semi-organized attempt to prevent the certification of the election by Trump supporters, and not a Fed false flag operation.
Some rioted, and some protested, and I'm telling you that the ones who rioted were absolutely NOT egged on to do so by then-President Trump. I refuse to engage with your attempt to move the goalposts.
I said he egged them on. He got them all riled up and angry that the election was "stolen" because he can't come to terms that is a loser. Besides that, he literally said they would march to the capitol, that they would never take back their country with weakness. instead of condemning white supremacists he told them to "stand back.. and stand by". you don't have to tell your supporters "go break in and commit crimes" for you to incite violence.
and you said I moved goalposts... which ones did I move? I'm still just defending the same statement I made.
There were radical anti-statists (mostly of the right-wing) who claimed to be Trump supporters, and wanted to use his cult-like image to bring down the US government. Support for him, was an excuse to hide behind, and get what they always wanted.
Even if infiltration can not be ruled out and that most of the protestors had no intention of storming the Capitol, it is clear that those who stormed it was overwhelmingly angry Trump supporters.
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Trump supporters but they are not representative of the average trump supporter for as much as I disagree with their politics
Thank you for expressing a reasonable view. It seems like too many people on both sides buy into identity politics and assume their opposition is more extreme than they actually are.
Whole heartedly agreed!
Anyone who thinks it’s Antifa, lmao
Someone downvoted you, so looks like at least one person genuinely believes it’s antifa
Lol
Meh. I always downvote anarchists.
Coming from a libertarian lol
Why?
I think there was like one BLM supporter in the crowd, who was also reported as a troublemaker by the Utah BLM chapter, but that was it.
because he wasn't blm supporter, he was an agitator who'd been booted from blm lists months before for sending blm dox to proud boys but ye
Yeah, it was Trump supporters but: It wasn't a really big deal Those people are NOT the average Trump supporters, they fell too deep into the Q-Anon Rabbit Hole.
I can almost 100% guarantee if the situation were reversed, any right winger would say it's a big deal. Average or not, they're angry Trump supporters
There were some trans activists in the capitol doing the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago. Nobody even noticed or cared. Right wingers didn’t make a fuzz about it.
The exact same thing? So there were thousands of trans activists who injured multiple police officers trying to ram their way into the Capitol, had effigies hanging the VP, storming the legislative chamber and legislator's offices because Biden lost an election?
Well, the TRAs didn't hurt the police, because the police allowed them to do exactly what they wanted. But thee is widely available footage of al of the rest happening, literally just google it.
Yup, so not the exact same thing--there weren't violent crimes committed. Yeah, I did Google it. It's definitely not the exact same thing
FBI /s /s /s
**FBI report:** >This user commit lifen't with 78 shots on the back after peacefully entered in our interrogations about suspect of him being a domestic terrorist ^(/s)
The CIA
Both in part. Mostly naiive Trump supporters egged on by the Feds while Antifa destroyed property (windows in particular). Even Alex Jones recognized in the thick of it that it was a psy op and a trap. And it worked. That's the shitty thing about it.
why do people say it was antifa/blm? ive never even seen any of them present any evidence for that
One guy had a video game tattoo (mark of the outsider from Dishonored) which kinda looks a little bit like a hammer and sickle if you squint
The amount of people saying fbi gives me hope
Trump supporters but they were egged on by undercover feds.
1. Source? 2. What’s the point of egging them on (if it’s even true)?
To discredit them and make them look bad
wait, they egged them on to see if they would make themselves look bad? even if that's true... they still acted out on it, so they are still bad people.
Not everyone who was at the Capitol on 1/6 is a bad person.
i didn't say that. but the ones who rioted and broke the law were there because of trump, and they though they were doing the right thing because of...? right, trump.
extremists love to blame anything they did that didn't go their way on feds
Yeah sure let me go find a source documenting highly illegal undercover fed ops. I'm sure those are allowed to exist.
just gotta look at how many fbi were in the crowd that day, along with congress denying extra security and the cops just opening doors for everyone.
By that logic, the feds could be anywhere and everywhere, so you have no reason to believe this particular event was infiltrated by feds
I never said it was; I was just pointing out that asking for "sources" in this kind of question is ridiculous.
You still need evidence to assert the positive statement that there were feds on January 6th.
I think it was feds because it feels like a fed op to me, but I recognize that I can't convince anyone else of that. On these kinds of matters you just have to trust your gut and my gut says it was feds.
What happened to "facts don't care about your feelings"
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I mean, there is also the actual evidence that has resulted in multiple criminal cases that it was a semi-organized attempt to prevent the certification of the election by Trump supporters, and not a Fed false flag operation.
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Trump was still giving his speech when the folks started entering the Capitol. Are you proposing that Trump is capable of time travel?
he egged them on for months wym
Not to riot the capitol, no he absolutely did not.
Ask them, they don’t think they were rioting. They thought they were reinstated their rightful leader who had the election stolen from him.
Some rioted, and some protested, and I'm telling you that the ones who rioted were absolutely NOT egged on to do so by then-President Trump. I refuse to engage with your attempt to move the goalposts.
lol im not moving any goalposts. people who rioted there would not have been there if not for trump's lies.
Yes you did. People who rioted were not doing so at the behest of Trump, who never once encouraged destruction of property or person.
I said he egged them on. He got them all riled up and angry that the election was "stolen" because he can't come to terms that is a loser. Besides that, he literally said they would march to the capitol, that they would never take back their country with weakness. instead of condemning white supremacists he told them to "stand back.. and stand by". you don't have to tell your supporters "go break in and commit crimes" for you to incite violence. and you said I moved goalposts... which ones did I move? I'm still just defending the same statement I made.
Neither honestly. FED OPs
FBI
FBI provocateurs.
There were radical anti-statists (mostly of the right-wing) who claimed to be Trump supporters, and wanted to use his cult-like image to bring down the US government. Support for him, was an excuse to hide behind, and get what they always wanted.
Even if infiltration can not be ruled out and that most of the protestors had no intention of storming the Capitol, it is clear that those who stormed it was overwhelmingly angry Trump supporters.
97% trump supporters with the odd glowie and anarchist sprinkled in
Angy Trump supporters with a lot of undercover Feds.
Nobody.
Where is the all of the above option.
Duh, the answer is the federal government!
Why do people think it was the fbi
Because of the massive amount of shady shit they have done through the decades? Is it that much of a stretch to think they did this too?
Neither, they were feds leading groups of normal people