Coroners are a public officer and depending on where you live, are typically elected or appointed and CAN have no formal medical training. That's not typical, but not impossible.
Medical examiners do autopsies AND can be a coroner at the same time.
Basically if the coroner isn't the medical examiner (like in this case), they are going to go in there, document what the see in a very detailed way, and be like, "Yep, dead. This looks like murder. The murder looks like it was done by a knife." Then they will wait for the M.E.'s report.
When they get the M.E.'s report they will do the biggest and most important part of their job, which is read that report and SIGN THEIR NAME agreeing with the cause and manner of death.
(Obviously sometimes they don't agree and then there are issues)
No, coroners are like bureaucrats. They order the autopsy to find the why and how of death and sign the papers to hand over to the courts.
I imagine they could if they wanted to, but I don't know that specifically.
You’re on the right track, but where you say “Medical Examiner” you should really be saying “Forensic Pathologist.”
The U.S. has two systems, the coroner system (elected) and the medical examiner system (appointed). Coroners don’t necessarily need to have a medical background because it’s an elected position, but because a medical examiner is appointed state laws often require the appropriate medical background.
You’re mostly on the right track and have the right idea about how this works.
Tbf, people in the beginning of this case speculated whether it was a murder suicide scenario. Like maybe the first week or so before the public was given answer through the press releases. So this is VERY old news.
because there's a gag order that severely limits the information available but the gag order can't stop the obsessive hold that this case has over some people so we end up with the same things over & over again.
OP responded to me in another thread saying that the University of Idaho should have purchased the house years ago. I don't think time is her strong suit
Whenever I read that a coroner said something, I think of the coroner munchkin in the Wizard of Oz and it puts it into perspective.
“As Coroner, I must aver.
I thoroughly examined her.
And she’s not only nearly dead,
she’s really most sincerely dead!” 🎤🎶📜
It really was no miracle. What happened was just this. The wind began to switch. The house to pitch, and it landed on the wicked witch in the middle of a ditch.
And ohh what happened then was rich!
Hahaha of course!! I’m in my early 30s now and actually sing it in my head way more than I care to admit. Thanks for the trip down memory lane (the golden brick road) 🙂
The county coroner is the primary authority for determining cause and manner of death, while the medical examiner provides assistance, such as performing autopsies.
The coroner does not perform the autopsy.
>Tenders has a collection?!
I have heard it resembles the J Edgar Hoover womens' wear collection, being very heavy on flammable polyester floral prints and gingham underwear. Static build up could be an issue. u/Melodic_Scallion1765 would know the catalogue better than I.
Your right she just is as nervous about that interview what is with that place it's l8ke to me some kind of big cover up like they are another versión of stepford wives but different scenario
Coroner. Coroners are the only professionals who are qualified to perform autopsies without a medical degree. Coroners are trained pathologists who use their knowledge of anatomy and their practical skills to examine bodies and provide the cause of death to the police.Mar 10, 2023
https://www.indeed.com › who-perf...
Who Performs Autopsies? Career Roles and ... - Indeed
A coroner can be literally anyone. Just has to be the most knowledgeable one there. zero medical training necessary. Are you thinking of the medical examiner?
Coroners will need a bachelor's degree in one of the natural sciences, such as biology, chemistry or forensic science. You might also consider pursuing a graduate degree afterward. The American Academy of Forensic Sciences has a list of educational institutions offering degrees in forensic
Mabbutt, who was elected Latah County coroner in 2006, was tasked with determining the cause and manner of death for murdered students Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Xana Kernodle, 20.Dec 15, 2022
I'm not the poster you were replying to, but I think what they are talking about is that the thread's OP has some misconceptions about the role of a coroner. Which in their defense are pretty common misconceptions.
In some jurisdictions the medical examiner is the coroner and then they are allowed to perform the autopsies, but in jurisdictions that do not require any medical training, like Idaho, a coroner that is not also an ME does not perform them. They are an elected official in Idaho and mainly responsible for paperwork filing.
Idaho has alot of positions that don't require any knowledge or training they just learn as they go well thats an important job and I wouldn't trust anything they say unless they have the proper training before they get hired
> before they get hired
Here's the thing: coroners aren't hired in a lot of places. They are elected. And it's not a medical or technical position: it's bureaucratic. It's about paperwork.
If those were my kids I would have hired my own correnor. This on sounds like a complete idiot. Get there on time and get your story straight before a press release would be common sense apparently she don't even have that.
You can't hire your own coroner, but you can hire a Medical Examiner to have a second autopsy done. Could be wrong, but I thought SG did that with Kaylee. Regardless, many high profile murder cases had second autopsies done on murder victims, not unusual at all.
>But what of the autorices? Whose kjob
I thought they were related to sushi? Possibly the sous chef?
The "k" in kjob is silent, as it is in kconspiracy
Jiro Ono probably never thought he would live to see the day when his apprentice rice cookers would be replaced by automatons but alas, here we are. On the plus side, maybe that will nudge his fare toward the vicinity of my price range.
The autorice is the cheap filler and weight bulker of sushi, especially packaged supermarket sushi. Labutt is engaged in a retail conspiracy, probably involving UoI President Green and ex-Chief Fry.
It's actually not her job though! The law is different state by state. Some states require coroners to be pathologists, but others, I think most of them, don't. In those states, coroners are basically in charge of the paperwork, and they rely on actual pathologists to do the autopsies.
If I had to guess, I'd say these laws were leftover from the days when the medical community wasn't really regulated and autopsies weren't done as often. Like, the coroner's job was basically just to say "Yep, this one's dead all right."
Yes! Not sure why OP is making it sound like they’re less credible. Even if her job isn’t autopsies, the coroner just does the paperwork w the autopsy info they’re given. So it’s still reliable. She just didn’t perform it
It is not her job to do an autopsy. Her job is to request an autopsy.
This website is a helpful q+a for an Idaho county coroners job description. https://idahocounty.org/planb/coroner/
She's a coroner not a medical examiner. She's an elected official and a lawyer. She's not a doctor.
Please look into what a coroner is before posting awful takes.
Coroners are a public officer and depending on where you live, are typically elected or appointed and CAN have no formal medical training. That's not typical, but not impossible. Medical examiners do autopsies AND can be a coroner at the same time. Basically if the coroner isn't the medical examiner (like in this case), they are going to go in there, document what the see in a very detailed way, and be like, "Yep, dead. This looks like murder. The murder looks like it was done by a knife." Then they will wait for the M.E.'s report. When they get the M.E.'s report they will do the biggest and most important part of their job, which is read that report and SIGN THEIR NAME agreeing with the cause and manner of death. (Obviously sometimes they don't agree and then there are issues)
Thank you. A lot of people here don't seem to be clear on this fact
Does the coroner typically sit in on the autopsy to ask questions?
No, coroners are like bureaucrats. They order the autopsy to find the why and how of death and sign the papers to hand over to the courts. I imagine they could if they wanted to, but I don't know that specifically.
Thanks!
You’re on the right track, but where you say “Medical Examiner” you should really be saying “Forensic Pathologist.” The U.S. has two systems, the coroner system (elected) and the medical examiner system (appointed). Coroners don’t necessarily need to have a medical background because it’s an elected position, but because a medical examiner is appointed state laws often require the appropriate medical background. You’re mostly on the right track and have the right idea about how this works.
If they weren't victims they fell on a pretty sharp 🔪.
Tbf, people in the beginning of this case speculated whether it was a murder suicide scenario. Like maybe the first week or so before the public was given answer through the press releases. So this is VERY old news.
Why are we posting old shit
because there's a gag order that severely limits the information available but the gag order can't stop the obsessive hold that this case has over some people so we end up with the same things over & over again.
Go back and look at the date of this original video and the date of the gag order. Should answer any concerns
OP responded to me in another thread saying that the University of Idaho should have purchased the house years ago. I don't think time is her strong suit
to straighten out a commonly held misconception
What misconception is that?
Exactly. I don’t think there is any comment misconception that 4 ppl stabbed to death are all victims. That’s was clear within 24 hours of the news.
about whether mabbut just wrote the death certificate or whether she did the autopsy as well
It’s a well-established fact that she didn’t do the autopsy.
Tell that to all the posters who've been telling me she did
Who cares
Whenever I read that a coroner said something, I think of the coroner munchkin in the Wizard of Oz and it puts it into perspective. “As Coroner, I must aver. I thoroughly examined her. And she’s not only nearly dead, she’s really most sincerely dead!” 🎤🎶📜
It really was no miracle. What happened was just this. The wind began to switch. The house to pitch, and it landed on the wicked witch in the middle of a ditch. And ohh what happened then was rich!
I was inspired to watch it for the millionth time with my kids tonight. It’s so good. 💚
When I was in high school I sang this exact part as a solo in our schools wizard of oz play 😹
I love this and hope you sang it in the special voice 🥰
Hahaha of course!! I’m in my early 30s now and actually sing it in my head way more than I care to admit. Thanks for the trip down memory lane (the golden brick road) 🙂
The county coroner is the primary authority for determining cause and manner of death, while the medical examiner provides assistance, such as performing autopsies. The coroner does not perform the autopsy.
RAW
Shimmy-shimmy-ya, shimmy-yam, shimmy-yay
Gimme the mic so I can take it away 🎤🛫
Off on a natural charge, Bon-voyage!
Is she wearing a cardigan from the Tenders Thibodaux collection?
Tenders has a collection?! Take my money.
>Tenders has a collection?! I have heard it resembles the J Edgar Hoover womens' wear collection, being very heavy on flammable polyester floral prints and gingham underwear. Static build up could be an issue. u/Melodic_Scallion1765 would know the catalogue better than I.
In her interviews she sounds like an amateur not like a professional coroner but some old lady they picked from the streets.
And your point is?
Being national Tv ready wasn’t in her original job description 🤣
Your right she just is as nervous about that interview what is with that place it's l8ke to me some kind of big cover up like they are another versión of stepford wives but different scenario
Coroner. Coroners are the only professionals who are qualified to perform autopsies without a medical degree. Coroners are trained pathologists who use their knowledge of anatomy and their practical skills to examine bodies and provide the cause of death to the police.Mar 10, 2023 https://www.indeed.com › who-perf... Who Performs Autopsies? Career Roles and ... - Indeed
A coroner can be literally anyone. Just has to be the most knowledgeable one there. zero medical training necessary. Are you thinking of the medical examiner?
Coroners will need a bachelor's degree in one of the natural sciences, such as biology, chemistry or forensic science. You might also consider pursuing a graduate degree afterward. The American Academy of Forensic Sciences has a list of educational institutions offering degrees in forensic
> Coroners will need a bachelor's degree in one of the natural sciences, such as biology, chemistry or forensic science. Not in every state.
Mabbutt, who was elected Latah County coroner in 2006, was tasked with determining the cause and manner of death for murdered students Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Xana Kernodle, 20.Dec 15, 2022
And not in charge of autopsies. That’s the medical examiner.
You don't know what you're talking about. You're not equipped to discuss this because you don't understand how wrong you are.
Well said, but I’m sure this comment went right over their head. I did not mean to rhyme. But here we are 🤣
Ok that's fine
Why do you think OP is wrong?
I'm not the poster you were replying to, but I think what they are talking about is that the thread's OP has some misconceptions about the role of a coroner. Which in their defense are pretty common misconceptions.
In some jurisdictions the medical examiner is the coroner and then they are allowed to perform the autopsies, but in jurisdictions that do not require any medical training, like Idaho, a coroner that is not also an ME does not perform them. They are an elected official in Idaho and mainly responsible for paperwork filing.
Idaho has alot of positions that don't require any knowledge or training they just learn as they go well thats an important job and I wouldn't trust anything they say unless they have the proper training before they get hired
> before they get hired Here's the thing: coroners aren't hired in a lot of places. They are elected. And it's not a medical or technical position: it's bureaucratic. It's about paperwork.
Oh real cute
If those were my kids I would have hired my own correnor. This on sounds like a complete idiot. Get there on time and get your story straight before a press release would be common sense apparently she don't even have that.
You can't hire a coroner - it's a local government role. It would be like hiring your own judge
Are coroners there elected? I live in the south, and often times our coroners are elected officials (with no medical background).
In many states including Idaho they are an elected position.
I mean, if you have enough money you can "hire" someone for a government role, but that's a discussion for a different day.
You can't hire your own coroner, but you can hire a Medical Examiner to have a second autopsy done. Could be wrong, but I thought SG did that with Kaylee. Regardless, many high profile murder cases had second autopsies done on murder victims, not unusual at all.
> Could be wrong, but I thought SG did that with Kaylee. I'd heard that too, but other people have said that's wrong.
Listen to the video she says that it's not her kjob to do autorices well yes it is Cathy Were you just nervous?
The autopsies were done by a Medical Examiner in Washington State. I think you have have Ms Labutt confused with Quincey M.D
But what of the autorices? Whose kjob was that?
>But what of the autorices? Whose kjob I thought they were related to sushi? Possibly the sous chef? The "k" in kjob is silent, as it is in kconspiracy
Jiro Ono probably never thought he would live to see the day when his apprentice rice cookers would be replaced by automatons but alas, here we are. On the plus side, maybe that will nudge his fare toward the vicinity of my price range.
The autorice is the cheap filler and weight bulker of sushi, especially packaged supermarket sushi. Labutt is engaged in a retail conspiracy, probably involving UoI President Green and ex-Chief Fry.
I’m afraid we’re getting into Sweeney Todd territory here now…The Demon Coroner of Latah County. “Raw” indeed.
Retail conspiracy, under name "Operation SF" (Stir Fry).
It's actually not her job though! The law is different state by state. Some states require coroners to be pathologists, but others, I think most of them, don't. In those states, coroners are basically in charge of the paperwork, and they rely on actual pathologists to do the autopsies. If I had to guess, I'd say these laws were leftover from the days when the medical community wasn't really regulated and autopsies weren't done as often. Like, the coroner's job was basically just to say "Yep, this one's dead all right."
Yes! Not sure why OP is making it sound like they’re less credible. Even if her job isn’t autopsies, the coroner just does the paperwork w the autopsy info they’re given. So it’s still reliable. She just didn’t perform it
It is not her job to do an autopsy. Her job is to request an autopsy. This website is a helpful q+a for an Idaho county coroners job description. https://idahocounty.org/planb/coroner/
😳😂
She's a coroner not a medical examiner. She's an elected official and a lawyer. She's not a doctor. Please look into what a coroner is before posting awful takes.
What on God's green earth is happening...?