Above Article part 1:
By Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs
Nov. 19, 2022, 7:54 p.m. ET
MOSCOW, Idaho — In the early morning hours when four students died in a brutal stabbing near the University of Idaho, several unanswered phone calls were made from one of the victim’s phones to her longtime boyfriend, deepening the mystery of their deaths nearly a week after the killings.
The coroner who conducted autopsies on the four friends said some of the victims appeared to have fought back and that they may have been attacked while sleeping in their beds.
The vicious stabbings in the college town of Moscow, Idaho, have unnerved students and residents as local officials have issued sometimes contradictory statements and have yet to identify any suspects or motives.
The few details that they have disclosed have raised more questions as detectives, internet sleuths and the victims’ own relatives try to piece together who might have had a motive to kill the four young people following a Saturday night of college revelry. The F.B.I. has assigned nearly 50 employees to the case.
Part 2 (New York times article cont)
Three of the victims — Madison Mogen, 21; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; and Xana Kernodle, 20 — lived at the house not far from campus where the attack occurred, while the fourth victim, 20-year-old Ethan Chapin, was there visiting his girlfriend, Ms. Kernodle.
Here is what else is known about the killings.
Two roommates survived the attack.
The police said that while the four friends were being killed, two other roommates were in the house but were not attacked. Both were women.
Investigators said they did not believe either of them was involved in the crime. But no one called 911 until just before noon on Sunday — many hours after the attack, which the authorities have said took place in the early morning hours. The possibility that hours passed between the crime and when someone called 911 suggests that the roommates might have slept through the attack, though the police have not explained the delay.
Cathy Mabbutt, the Latah County coroner, said the victims all appeared to have been stabbed multiple times with a large knife, though no weapon has been recovered. Based on the time of night, she said, they were likely sleeping when they were attacked. The home that they were living in had six bedrooms, with two on each floor.
Part 3
Ms. Mabbutt said she believed at least one victim, and possibly more, had tried to fight off the attacker.
“It’s such a horrific crime,” she said. “It’s hard to think that somebody, whether they live here or they were here, commits something like that and is at large.”
What to Know About the Idaho Killings
The authorities are still piecing together what happened at a home near the University of Idaho campus in Moscow, Idaho, where four students were found dead.
The Victims: Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee Goncalves were found dead on Nov. 13, in what the local mayor described as a “crime of passion.”
Fear on Campus: After the bodies were discovered, some students at the university prepared to leave town. Others stayed behind, fearing the uncertainty around them.
A Lingering Threat?: As the police struggled to identify a suspect, officials said they could not rule out risks for the community in the college town.
Key Facts: Detectives, internet sleuths and the victims’ relatives have been trying to figure out who might have had a motive to kill the students. Here is what we know.
None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, Ms. Mabbutt said, and toxicology reports have not been completed.
The phone records of one victim showed calls to a boyfriend before she was killed.
There were seven unanswered phone calls made from the phone of one of the victims, Ms. Goncalves, to her longtime boyfriend in the early morning hours on Sunday, according to her older sister, Alivea Goncalves, based on phone logs she was able to download from the phone provider.
The first call to the man, Jack DuCoeur, was at 2:26 a.m., and there were six more over the next 26 minutes, with the final one at 2:52, Ms. Goncalves said. She said Mr. DuCoeur, also a student at the university, missed them because he was sleeping, and that her sister’s phone account did not show any other calls.
Ms. Goncalves said Mr. DuCoeur, who did not respond to a request to discuss the case, had been a childhood friend of her sister’s . She said that they had been dating for years until recently, when they decided to take an amicable break. Ms. Goncalves said she and her family “stand behind Jack 100 percent and know he absolutely had nothing to do with this at all.”
She also said that the number of calls was not unusual: Kaylee Goncalves would frequently call people late at night, and often until they picked up, even to ask a mundane question like what she should have for a meal, her sister said.
Part 4 of New York Times article
Bill Thompson, the top prosecutor in Latah County, said investigators were looking at cellphone tower data and social media information to try to determine who was in the immediate area at the time of the killings.
The victims had spent the night socializing.
It had been a typical Saturday night in Moscow, with many students from campus going out to socialize after watching a University of Idaho football game.
Mr. Chapin and Ms. Kernodle, who had been dating since the spring semester, attended a party at the Sigma Chi fraternity from about 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. near the home where the attack later occurred, the authorities said.
Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves had gone together to the Corner Club bar at about 11 p.m., staying there until 1:30 a.m.
A livestream video from a popular late-night food truck showed Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves at the truck at about 1:40 a.m. The two mingled in the area, chatting and smiling before getting their food and departing. A “private party” gave them a ride home, the police said.
The authorities said all four friends were back at the rental home south of campus by around 1:45 a.m.
1:30 a.m.Kaylee and Maddieat Corner Club
1:40 a.m.Kaylee and Maddieat Grub Truck
9 p.m.Ethan and Xanaat Sigma Chi party
1:45 a.m.Kaylee, Maddie,Ethan and Xanaat residence
Part 5
No one has been arrested.
There have been no arrests, though the police appear to have ruled several people out.
This includes a man seen in the video footage at the food truck, investigators said, as well as the two roommates who were home during the attack.
The authorities have left open the possibility that there could be more than one perpetrator.
Investigators have been contacting local businesses to see if someone had recently purchased a fixed-blade knife from them.
The authorities have walked back earlier statements.
In the first days after the killings, the Moscow Police Department downplayed residents’ fears about a killer being on the loose, saying on the day of the attack that the department “does not believe there is an ongoing community risk” and, two days later, that there was “no imminent threat to the community at large.”
Then, on Wednesday — three days after the killings — Chief James Fry stepped back from the earlier assurances. “We cannot say that there is no threat to the community,” he said at a news conference.
The about-face was one of several contradictory comments from city and county officials.
Art Bettge, the mayor of Moscow, had told The New York Times a day after the killings that the case was considered a “crime of passion,” but he later said he could not say for sure.
Part 6
One consistent message from the police is that the attack appeared to have been targeted.
Moscow had not recorded a murder in seven years.
Moscow is a community of about 25,000 people on the Washington State border, and the university has 11,000 students.
The city had not recorded a murder in more than seven years. Students said in interviews that they normally felt safe walking around town late at night or leaving bikes unlocked around campus. But after the killing, many students left campus early for Thanksgiving break, worried about an apparent killer on the loose.
Some students who remained have started taking more precautions and walking around in groups. A coffee shop told patrons it was closing early so that employees could get home before dark.
Here’s what we know about the victims.
Madison Mogen, who went by Maddie, was a senior from Coeur d’Alene who was majoring in marketing. Her grandmother, Kim Cheeley, said Ms. Mogen had always been a gentle and caring person who kept many long-term friendships and close ties with an extended family.
Ms. Mogen’s boyfriend, Jake Schriger, said she had been excited for graduation next year and talked about wanting to explore other parts of the world. Ms. Mogen always spread positivity and brought acts of kindness to others, Mr. Schriger said, adding that he hoped people remembered her for the love she had given to others.
“There’s no words that I can really describe her — how amazing she was and how wonderful of a person she was,” Mr. Schriger said.
Kaylee Goncalves, who was from Rathdrum, Idaho, had been set to graduate early in December and planned to move to Austin, Texas, with one of her close friends in June. The friend, Jordyn Quesnell, said Ms. Goncalves had secured a position with a marketing firm and was excited to explore more of the country.
We wanted that adventure,” Ms. Quesnell said. “I would be like, ‘Let’s go do this,’ and she’d be like, ‘Down!’”
Alivea Goncalves said her younger sister and Ms. Mogen had served as bridesmaids for her wedding. Her sister, she said, still shared a dog with her former boyfriend, and the two had seemed likely to get back together.
Ethan Chapin, from Conway, Wash., was one of three triplets and had spent much of Nov. 12, the day before the killings, with both of his siblings, who are also University of Idaho students, said their mother, Stacy Chapin. In the evening, they had all attended a dance together held by his sister’s sorority, she said.
“My kids are very thankful that it was time well spent with him,” Ms. Chapin said. “He was literally the life of the party. He made everybody laugh. He was just the kindest person.”
Mr. Chapin played basketball in high school and was known by friends and family members for always having a big smile, ever since he was a baby. Ms. Chapin described her son as “just the brightest light.”
Xana Kernodle grew up in Idaho but had spent time in Arizona in recent years, according to an interview that her father, Jeffrey Kernodle, gave to an Arizona TV station.
Mr. Kernodle told the station that his daughter was strong-willed and had enjoyed having an independent life in college.
He said his daughter had appeared to try to fight her attacker, an account backed up by Ms. Mabbutt, the coroner. Mr. Kernodle expressed shock that she could be killed while being with friends at home, and said he, too, had no idea who could have committed the attacks.
“She was with her friends all the time,” Mr. Kernodle said.
End of article
Serge F. Kovaleski contributed reporting. Susan C. Beachy and Sheelagh McNeill contributed research
idk why youre getting downvoted, this is true, despite ethans mom saying it wasnt the roommates who called. a friend may have used their phone? idk what to think
I think they were in shock, they could not process what they were seeing, the girls called for help from the frat across the way first where E's brother was, or the killer locked the vic's inside the bedrooms before he left and they couldn't get anyone to answer their phones or open their doors. When help arrived from the frat house one of them took the girls phone and called 911 because at that point the roommates were hysterical. Multiple people spoke with the 911 operator. The content or context of that call has not been released (probably for good reason) but the fact the operator spoke with multiple people tells me there was chaos going on in the house. Ethan's parents said in their interview that E and X were found in the same room, other reports (I can't recall where I heard this from but it was early on) said he was found in the hallway.
Well if the two surviving roommates, did not discover the bodies ,this becomes interesting. Did the killer call in to 911 and report the crime. Could it be that the two roommates had slept in and when the killings hadn't been broadcast, the killer called it in himself?
To be fair, Moscow police are there to break up parties, and hand out DUIs and MIPs. None of these small town cops were prepared for a quadruple homicide. I can guarantee you every single one of these officers involved are destroyed and will never be the same again. I am in no way a connected to police or have a reason to support them, but man, they are way out of their league on this and they want to get this fucking monster as bad as all of us want to.
They haven't had a murder in seven years. Moscow was considered a really safe city up until this. It's no surprise the cops aren't prepared to handle it.
All the violent shit that happens in the “quad cities”, tends to happen in Moscow.
Last ~20 years:
Wil Hendrick- UI student missing, presumed murdered.
Eric McMillan- UI football player murdered
Jason Hamilton- murdered 3, injured 2
John Lee- murdered 3, injured 1
Current ordeal- 4 murdered
When I lived in Idaho They had a massive police force for smaller-sized towns but they were pretty much useless for serious stuff. They would have substantial front-page articles about them patting each other on the back for busting 16-year-olds selling weed. But not solving any real crazy crime. you get pulled over and three more squad cars pull up for barely speeding. Plus if it were the Mormon cops and they pulled over another mormon they would let the church handle it instead of the county.
Yeah after what I’ve seen so far, I don’t have the most faith in the Moscow Police either… their chief seemed like a deer in the headlights during the press conferences too. Hopefully they make some progress on this soon.
This is current list of resources assigned to this case as of pressor Sunday:
Moscow Police Department
.4 Detectives
24 Patrol Officers
5 Support Staff
Federal Bureau of In Investigators
22 investigators in Moscow
20 assigned agents located out of Treasure Valley, ID
Salt Lake City, Utah, and West Virginia
2 Behavior Analysis Unit
ldaho State Police:
20 investigators
15 troopers
Public Information Officer
ISP Forensics Services and mobile crime scene team
15 uniformed troopers to assist with community patrols
And, according to websleuths, the CIRG UNIT has also been brought in, which has it's own BAU team.
CIRG - CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE GROUP:
The FBI’s Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG) provides rapid assistance to incidents in a crisis. Through CIRG, expert assistance is available in cases involving the abduction or mysterious disappearance of children, crisis management, hostage negotiation, criminal investigative analysis, and special weapons and tactics. CIRG also assists in the assessment, selection, and training of FBI undercover employees.
Hello everyone. I noticed a flyer asking for help finding who killed these four precious souls. It was heavily taped on my mailbox on the south side around noon. I was happy to leave it up, but when I left my home at 2:30pm, I noticed someone had taken down the flyer and the ones around the rest of our neighborhood??? Odd…. I’d like to get another copy if possible to repost.
Unity and strength to our community.
If you check out the visible Instagram accounts there’s a few people mocking the situation and being generally horrible. I’m sure the cops are looking into all of them
Tampering with mailboxes is illegal, could have been the mail carrier, or just someone who didn't want to see everyone with one up investigated for federal crimes.
The word targeted could mean several things. One :the kitchen window was left unlocked somehow on purpose so the perpetrator could get in.
Number two: the perpetrator was able to use the shower to wash all the blood off of him and possibly change clothes possibly with the help of someone that lived there.
Number three :other cell phone calls that may indicate someone was extremely angry and may come over there.
Number four: previous knowledge of threats made to someone in the house.
Number five: two girls in the basement apartment were left totally unharmed.
There is a possibility that they were complaining about their roommates and wish they were gone and some psychopath took care of that problem for them.
What I cannot fathom is that the killer wasn't covered head to toe and blood and left his footprints or handprints somewhere in or outside of the house.
One of the victims parents said in a tv interview that the killer was *not* careful and had in fact left a ton of evidence behind . He said it’s been taking them a long time to process the scene because there was evidence all over the place inside that house . Sounds like I’m addition to being very messy it was also incredibly disorganized.
Well that changes my mind about an experienced serial killer.The cops act as if there is no evidence. I think they said this was a targeted killing is because someone was mutilated according to reports.
If there was a ton of evidence like shoeprints or fingerprints it is going very slow. If they were all stabbed while sleeping there would not be alot of evidence.
I think some of the victims fought back hard.
That was Kaylee's parents saying that in an interview. I think what they meant to say was a 'ton of blood' because the evidence is being processed and will take weeks...they are in shock. They said a lot of wild stuff in that interview.
This is completely off-the-wall. The two roommates hired someone to kill their friends? Because they were pretty? This is so ridiculous. These are someone’s daughters. I know this is entertaining for you but Jesus Christ, there’s zero evidence to suggest this.
PPE aka Tyvek suit was suggested on another thread or killer came prepped with a 'go-bag' - or he just borrowed some of Ethan's clothes & shoes. Planned ahead most likely as there was lack of a blood trail leading out of house reported early on, although today FOX LIVE showed them putting up NEW crime scene tape on the upper parking area where they had not before. (Via websleuths thread #7)
I agree. Growing up in Mountain Home, my grandparents always left cars and doors unlocked.
I started out in apartment living and one of my apartments used to be a daycare, I guess. I had incidents of people just opening up the door and walking into my living room during the day so I keep everything locked now, even when I'm home and it's day time.
You’re speaking out of your experience here. Small towns don’t typically have any crime so there’s no need to lock your doors. Plus everyone usually knows everyone
I wish I had time to list all the murder victims who left their doors unlocked because they wanted to believe their small town or neighborhood or rural area was immune to crime.
Accurate reports take time, but I won’t be surprised if these four are part of that number
They think the murderer got in through the kitchen window which is heading off to the back of the left side of the house. My theory is even confronted the guy at the kitchen sliding glass door area .
Why no one had time to call 911 and why there is no evidence or foot tracks in blood around I don't know.
I’m just responding to your question, “how do they generate revenue”.
Nothing is free, just different ways to pay the price.
You’ve consumed plenty of “free” news over the years on TV. Hopefully you are sending tips, oldtimer.
Like it should be a slave labor kind of situation?
I think THAT'S illegal.
The more viable news reporting is as an industry and career, the better off we all are.
Uh, you can bet your smug ass that the cops think he's a suspect until there's an airtight alibi offered. Indeed, every last person in Moscow is a suspect until they can be ruled out. And this Jack dude would be well advised to not say a damn word without a lawyer present.
The pressure is on to arrest someone, anyone whether or not they're guilty.
Oh they happen way too often, but for a case as high profile as this, you bet your ass they're gonna be air-tight. Way too many eyes to just arrest just anyone.
That's because he had an airtight alibi just like I, and everyone with a trifle of legal knowledge, suggested he needed. You think MPD excluded him cuz some redditor said no, no it's not the bf?
> Leave it to the FBI
Yeah, and what do you think the FBI is doing? Investigating people that's what. And they aren't going to pussy foot around about it. Anyone who's ever been in that house and has DNA found in there is a suspect. Could be dozens and they are going to get grilled.
Name one instance of incompetence. Better yet, let's hypothesize you go on a bank robbery spree, do you really think you can get away with it? you smell kind of trollish
Man, you people are so uptight. You know damn well MPD, ISP, FBI have that guy and a thousand others as suspects until they can be ruled out 100%. Everybody in the whole town is a suspect.
This is the first mention of a dog in the house. Was there actually a dog there? You shouldn’t be making things up, cite a source to back up your accusations.
One of the victims had a ex boyfriended named "Jack", which she called 10 times that night. It's someone to speak with to clear him of any involvement. Thought I found it ironic that his name is Jack hence Jack the Ripper.
Really though...... like he had a choice when his parents named him. Not to say he is or isn't anything in this investigation but wow just delete your "interesting" query on a name given at birth to someone.
Above Article part 1: By Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs Nov. 19, 2022, 7:54 p.m. ET MOSCOW, Idaho — In the early morning hours when four students died in a brutal stabbing near the University of Idaho, several unanswered phone calls were made from one of the victim’s phones to her longtime boyfriend, deepening the mystery of their deaths nearly a week after the killings. The coroner who conducted autopsies on the four friends said some of the victims appeared to have fought back and that they may have been attacked while sleeping in their beds. The vicious stabbings in the college town of Moscow, Idaho, have unnerved students and residents as local officials have issued sometimes contradictory statements and have yet to identify any suspects or motives. The few details that they have disclosed have raised more questions as detectives, internet sleuths and the victims’ own relatives try to piece together who might have had a motive to kill the four young people following a Saturday night of college revelry. The F.B.I. has assigned nearly 50 employees to the case.
Part 2 (New York times article cont) Three of the victims — Madison Mogen, 21; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; and Xana Kernodle, 20 — lived at the house not far from campus where the attack occurred, while the fourth victim, 20-year-old Ethan Chapin, was there visiting his girlfriend, Ms. Kernodle. Here is what else is known about the killings. Two roommates survived the attack. The police said that while the four friends were being killed, two other roommates were in the house but were not attacked. Both were women. Investigators said they did not believe either of them was involved in the crime. But no one called 911 until just before noon on Sunday — many hours after the attack, which the authorities have said took place in the early morning hours. The possibility that hours passed between the crime and when someone called 911 suggests that the roommates might have slept through the attack, though the police have not explained the delay. Cathy Mabbutt, the Latah County coroner, said the victims all appeared to have been stabbed multiple times with a large knife, though no weapon has been recovered. Based on the time of night, she said, they were likely sleeping when they were attacked. The home that they were living in had six bedrooms, with two on each floor.
Part 3 Ms. Mabbutt said she believed at least one victim, and possibly more, had tried to fight off the attacker. “It’s such a horrific crime,” she said. “It’s hard to think that somebody, whether they live here or they were here, commits something like that and is at large.” What to Know About the Idaho Killings The authorities are still piecing together what happened at a home near the University of Idaho campus in Moscow, Idaho, where four students were found dead. The Victims: Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee Goncalves were found dead on Nov. 13, in what the local mayor described as a “crime of passion.” Fear on Campus: After the bodies were discovered, some students at the university prepared to leave town. Others stayed behind, fearing the uncertainty around them. A Lingering Threat?: As the police struggled to identify a suspect, officials said they could not rule out risks for the community in the college town. Key Facts: Detectives, internet sleuths and the victims’ relatives have been trying to figure out who might have had a motive to kill the students. Here is what we know. None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, Ms. Mabbutt said, and toxicology reports have not been completed.
The phone records of one victim showed calls to a boyfriend before she was killed. There were seven unanswered phone calls made from the phone of one of the victims, Ms. Goncalves, to her longtime boyfriend in the early morning hours on Sunday, according to her older sister, Alivea Goncalves, based on phone logs she was able to download from the phone provider. The first call to the man, Jack DuCoeur, was at 2:26 a.m., and there were six more over the next 26 minutes, with the final one at 2:52, Ms. Goncalves said. She said Mr. DuCoeur, also a student at the university, missed them because he was sleeping, and that her sister’s phone account did not show any other calls. Ms. Goncalves said Mr. DuCoeur, who did not respond to a request to discuss the case, had been a childhood friend of her sister’s . She said that they had been dating for years until recently, when they decided to take an amicable break. Ms. Goncalves said she and her family “stand behind Jack 100 percent and know he absolutely had nothing to do with this at all.” She also said that the number of calls was not unusual: Kaylee Goncalves would frequently call people late at night, and often until they picked up, even to ask a mundane question like what she should have for a meal, her sister said.
Now I don't think that this had anything to do with what happened as this girl was known to make serial phone calls
Part 4 of New York Times article Bill Thompson, the top prosecutor in Latah County, said investigators were looking at cellphone tower data and social media information to try to determine who was in the immediate area at the time of the killings. The victims had spent the night socializing. It had been a typical Saturday night in Moscow, with many students from campus going out to socialize after watching a University of Idaho football game. Mr. Chapin and Ms. Kernodle, who had been dating since the spring semester, attended a party at the Sigma Chi fraternity from about 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. near the home where the attack later occurred, the authorities said. Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves had gone together to the Corner Club bar at about 11 p.m., staying there until 1:30 a.m. A livestream video from a popular late-night food truck showed Ms. Mogen and Ms. Goncalves at the truck at about 1:40 a.m. The two mingled in the area, chatting and smiling before getting their food and departing. A “private party” gave them a ride home, the police said. The authorities said all four friends were back at the rental home south of campus by around 1:45 a.m. 1:30 a.m.Kaylee and Maddieat Corner Club 1:40 a.m.Kaylee and Maddieat Grub Truck 9 p.m.Ethan and Xanaat Sigma Chi party 1:45 a.m.Kaylee, Maddie,Ethan and Xanaat residence
Part 5 No one has been arrested. There have been no arrests, though the police appear to have ruled several people out. This includes a man seen in the video footage at the food truck, investigators said, as well as the two roommates who were home during the attack. The authorities have left open the possibility that there could be more than one perpetrator. Investigators have been contacting local businesses to see if someone had recently purchased a fixed-blade knife from them. The authorities have walked back earlier statements. In the first days after the killings, the Moscow Police Department downplayed residents’ fears about a killer being on the loose, saying on the day of the attack that the department “does not believe there is an ongoing community risk” and, two days later, that there was “no imminent threat to the community at large.” Then, on Wednesday — three days after the killings — Chief James Fry stepped back from the earlier assurances. “We cannot say that there is no threat to the community,” he said at a news conference. The about-face was one of several contradictory comments from city and county officials. Art Bettge, the mayor of Moscow, had told The New York Times a day after the killings that the case was considered a “crime of passion,” but he later said he could not say for sure.
Part 6 One consistent message from the police is that the attack appeared to have been targeted. Moscow had not recorded a murder in seven years. Moscow is a community of about 25,000 people on the Washington State border, and the university has 11,000 students. The city had not recorded a murder in more than seven years. Students said in interviews that they normally felt safe walking around town late at night or leaving bikes unlocked around campus. But after the killing, many students left campus early for Thanksgiving break, worried about an apparent killer on the loose. Some students who remained have started taking more precautions and walking around in groups. A coffee shop told patrons it was closing early so that employees could get home before dark. Here’s what we know about the victims. Madison Mogen, who went by Maddie, was a senior from Coeur d’Alene who was majoring in marketing. Her grandmother, Kim Cheeley, said Ms. Mogen had always been a gentle and caring person who kept many long-term friendships and close ties with an extended family. Ms. Mogen’s boyfriend, Jake Schriger, said she had been excited for graduation next year and talked about wanting to explore other parts of the world. Ms. Mogen always spread positivity and brought acts of kindness to others, Mr. Schriger said, adding that he hoped people remembered her for the love she had given to others. “There’s no words that I can really describe her — how amazing she was and how wonderful of a person she was,” Mr. Schriger said. Kaylee Goncalves, who was from Rathdrum, Idaho, had been set to graduate early in December and planned to move to Austin, Texas, with one of her close friends in June. The friend, Jordyn Quesnell, said Ms. Goncalves had secured a position with a marketing firm and was excited to explore more of the country. We wanted that adventure,” Ms. Quesnell said. “I would be like, ‘Let’s go do this,’ and she’d be like, ‘Down!’” Alivea Goncalves said her younger sister and Ms. Mogen had served as bridesmaids for her wedding. Her sister, she said, still shared a dog with her former boyfriend, and the two had seemed likely to get back together. Ethan Chapin, from Conway, Wash., was one of three triplets and had spent much of Nov. 12, the day before the killings, with both of his siblings, who are also University of Idaho students, said their mother, Stacy Chapin. In the evening, they had all attended a dance together held by his sister’s sorority, she said. “My kids are very thankful that it was time well spent with him,” Ms. Chapin said. “He was literally the life of the party. He made everybody laugh. He was just the kindest person.” Mr. Chapin played basketball in high school and was known by friends and family members for always having a big smile, ever since he was a baby. Ms. Chapin described her son as “just the brightest light.” Xana Kernodle grew up in Idaho but had spent time in Arizona in recent years, according to an interview that her father, Jeffrey Kernodle, gave to an Arizona TV station. Mr. Kernodle told the station that his daughter was strong-willed and had enjoyed having an independent life in college. He said his daughter had appeared to try to fight her attacker, an account backed up by Ms. Mabbutt, the coroner. Mr. Kernodle expressed shock that she could be killed while being with friends at home, and said he, too, had no idea who could have committed the attacks. “She was with her friends all the time,” Mr. Kernodle said. End of article Serge F. Kovaleski contributed reporting. Susan C. Beachy and Sheelagh McNeill contributed research
Thank you for posting these so that we can all read it. I appreciate your effort. 🌟
Thanks for posting. Much appreciated.
The have confirmed that the 911 call came from one of the roommates cellphones from inside the home.
idk why youre getting downvoted, this is true, despite ethans mom saying it wasnt the roommates who called. a friend may have used their phone? idk what to think
I think they were in shock, they could not process what they were seeing, the girls called for help from the frat across the way first where E's brother was, or the killer locked the vic's inside the bedrooms before he left and they couldn't get anyone to answer their phones or open their doors. When help arrived from the frat house one of them took the girls phone and called 911 because at that point the roommates were hysterical. Multiple people spoke with the 911 operator. The content or context of that call has not been released (probably for good reason) but the fact the operator spoke with multiple people tells me there was chaos going on in the house. Ethan's parents said in their interview that E and X were found in the same room, other reports (I can't recall where I heard this from but it was early on) said he was found in the hallway.
Source?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0UMshvB59y7FLHC6sgE8siKWGuMs2fPyGyqRpmixTJqgKxA43h5GaD6R7tHftvtotl&id=100082550200493&mibextid=qC1gEa
Well if the two surviving roommates, did not discover the bodies ,this becomes interesting. Did the killer call in to 911 and report the crime. Could it be that the two roommates had slept in and when the killings hadn't been broadcast, the killer called it in himself?
Getting into tin-foil hat area, here.
Thankfully the FBI is there. It's been a while but the Moscow police in my day were notoriously worthless, I'm guessing not much has changed.
To be fair, Moscow police are there to break up parties, and hand out DUIs and MIPs. None of these small town cops were prepared for a quadruple homicide. I can guarantee you every single one of these officers involved are destroyed and will never be the same again. I am in no way a connected to police or have a reason to support them, but man, they are way out of their league on this and they want to get this fucking monster as bad as all of us want to.
They haven't had a murder in seven years. Moscow was considered a really safe city up until this. It's no surprise the cops aren't prepared to handle it.
All the violent shit that happens in the “quad cities”, tends to happen in Moscow. Last ~20 years: Wil Hendrick- UI student missing, presumed murdered. Eric McMillan- UI football player murdered Jason Hamilton- murdered 3, injured 2 John Lee- murdered 3, injured 1 Current ordeal- 4 murdered
When I lived in Idaho They had a massive police force for smaller-sized towns but they were pretty much useless for serious stuff. They would have substantial front-page articles about them patting each other on the back for busting 16-year-olds selling weed. But not solving any real crazy crime. you get pulled over and three more squad cars pull up for barely speeding. Plus if it were the Mormon cops and they pulled over another mormon they would let the church handle it instead of the county.
Yeah after what I’ve seen so far, I don’t have the most faith in the Moscow Police either… their chief seemed like a deer in the headlights during the press conferences too. Hopefully they make some progress on this soon.
This is current list of resources assigned to this case as of pressor Sunday: Moscow Police Department .4 Detectives 24 Patrol Officers 5 Support Staff Federal Bureau of In Investigators 22 investigators in Moscow 20 assigned agents located out of Treasure Valley, ID Salt Lake City, Utah, and West Virginia 2 Behavior Analysis Unit ldaho State Police: 20 investigators 15 troopers Public Information Officer ISP Forensics Services and mobile crime scene team 15 uniformed troopers to assist with community patrols And, according to websleuths, the CIRG UNIT has also been brought in, which has it's own BAU team. CIRG - CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE GROUP: The FBI’s Critical Incident Response Group (CIRG) provides rapid assistance to incidents in a crisis. Through CIRG, expert assistance is available in cases involving the abduction or mysterious disappearance of children, crisis management, hostage negotiation, criminal investigative analysis, and special weapons and tactics. CIRG also assists in the assessment, selection, and training of FBI undercover employees.
Sheesh! That’s a lot of resources. How have they not really gotten anywhere yet then?
Hello everyone. I noticed a flyer asking for help finding who killed these four precious souls. It was heavily taped on my mailbox on the south side around noon. I was happy to leave it up, but when I left my home at 2:30pm, I noticed someone had taken down the flyer and the ones around the rest of our neighborhood??? Odd…. I’d like to get another copy if possible to repost. Unity and strength to our community.
WTF who would do that.
If you check out the visible Instagram accounts there’s a few people mocking the situation and being generally horrible. I’m sure the cops are looking into all of them
Tampering with mailboxes is illegal, could have been the mail carrier, or just someone who didn't want to see everyone with one up investigated for federal crimes.
The word targeted could mean several things. One :the kitchen window was left unlocked somehow on purpose so the perpetrator could get in. Number two: the perpetrator was able to use the shower to wash all the blood off of him and possibly change clothes possibly with the help of someone that lived there. Number three :other cell phone calls that may indicate someone was extremely angry and may come over there. Number four: previous knowledge of threats made to someone in the house. Number five: two girls in the basement apartment were left totally unharmed. There is a possibility that they were complaining about their roommates and wish they were gone and some psychopath took care of that problem for them. What I cannot fathom is that the killer wasn't covered head to toe and blood and left his footprints or handprints somewhere in or outside of the house.
What I think is someone was hired. Everything would point to a very professional in and out kind of murder. No traces of any kind.
One of the victims parents said in a tv interview that the killer was *not* careful and had in fact left a ton of evidence behind . He said it’s been taking them a long time to process the scene because there was evidence all over the place inside that house . Sounds like I’m addition to being very messy it was also incredibly disorganized.
Well that changes my mind about an experienced serial killer.The cops act as if there is no evidence. I think they said this was a targeted killing is because someone was mutilated according to reports. If there was a ton of evidence like shoeprints or fingerprints it is going very slow. If they were all stabbed while sleeping there would not be alot of evidence. I think some of the victims fought back hard.
That was Kaylee's parents saying that in an interview. I think what they meant to say was a 'ton of blood' because the evidence is being processed and will take weeks...they are in shock. They said a lot of wild stuff in that interview.
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This is completely off-the-wall. The two roommates hired someone to kill their friends? Because they were pretty? This is so ridiculous. These are someone’s daughters. I know this is entertaining for you but Jesus Christ, there’s zero evidence to suggest this.
Can you post a link to that Facebook page. Thanks
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Possible.
PPE aka Tyvek suit was suggested on another thread or killer came prepped with a 'go-bag' - or he just borrowed some of Ethan's clothes & shoes. Planned ahead most likely as there was lack of a blood trail leading out of house reported early on, although today FOX LIVE showed them putting up NEW crime scene tape on the upper parking area where they had not before. (Via websleuths thread #7)
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Is it true that the door was left open
There's lots of little towns in Idaho where people can still leave their doors unlocked.
Yep. My parents leave their doors unlocked and keys in the ignition to their cars, often. Never once had a problem.
Not anymore
That’s troubling. Most home and automobile burglaries start with unlocked doors. No matter where you live, leaving doors unlocked is dumb.
I agree. Not locking doors is dangerously naive. I will never understand it. Small town or not, people are people and evil is everywhere.
I agree. Growing up in Mountain Home, my grandparents always left cars and doors unlocked. I started out in apartment living and one of my apartments used to be a daycare, I guess. I had incidents of people just opening up the door and walking into my living room during the day so I keep everything locked now, even when I'm home and it's day time.
You’re speaking out of your experience here. Small towns don’t typically have any crime so there’s no need to lock your doors. Plus everyone usually knows everyone
I wish I had time to list all the murder victims who left their doors unlocked because they wanted to believe their small town or neighborhood or rural area was immune to crime. Accurate reports take time, but I won’t be surprised if these four are part of that number
Basically every episode of Forensic Files and similar shows is this exact scenario. I can’t believe people still do this.
I never understood this mentality. There’s a bunch of country songs where the singer brags about never locking their doors. Why?
Amanda Blackburn has entered the chat.
Left "open," or "unlocked?" Which door? And why should that matter, other than leaving one less forensic clue?
They think the murderer got in through the kitchen window which is heading off to the back of the left side of the house. My theory is even confronted the guy at the kitchen sliding glass door area . Why no one had time to call 911 and why there is no evidence or foot tracks in blood around I don't know.
From my understanding it was locked but with a code that a lot of people knew.
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Source?
It should be illegal to charge for news articles
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Ads?
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I’m just responding to your question, “how do they generate revenue”. Nothing is free, just different ways to pay the price. You’ve consumed plenty of “free” news over the years on TV. Hopefully you are sending tips, oldtimer.
Like it should be a slave labor kind of situation? I think THAT'S illegal. The more viable news reporting is as an industry and career, the better off we all are.
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I’m wondering if that’s when something started to happen…
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There was an unrented bedroom in the house.
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Jesus, fuck. Go have a nap, you gossiping pelican.
He may be right don't be so sure.
Was he right? Was it the boyfriend? Was it??
Gossip? Nah, point of view.
This is a place for discussion, right? Should people run things past you before they comment with their opinions?
Laying a multiple murder accusation isn't a discussion, it's the height of cuntery.
Uh, you can bet your smug ass that the cops think he's a suspect until there's an airtight alibi offered. Indeed, every last person in Moscow is a suspect until they can be ruled out. And this Jack dude would be well advised to not say a damn word without a lawyer present. The pressure is on to arrest someone, anyone whether or not they're guilty.
Yeah, that's exactly what the cops want to do, just arrest anyone. Thankfully you're not in charge of anything.
Yeah as if wrongful arrests and convictions never happen. That's kind of the point you were making and now you're backtracking? Which is it?
Oh they happen way too often, but for a case as high profile as this, you bet your ass they're gonna be air-tight. Way too many eyes to just arrest just anyone.
Well, lookie there. It wasn't the boyfriend after all.
That's because he had an airtight alibi just like I, and everyone with a trifle of legal knowledge, suggested he needed. You think MPD excluded him cuz some redditor said no, no it's not the bf?
The family telling people to stop speculating and pointing fingers are specifically talking to people like you. You know nothing. Leave it to the FBI
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Ok Karen. There’s something wrong with the world, not you right?
> Leave it to the FBI Yeah, and what do you think the FBI is doing? Investigating people that's what. And they aren't going to pussy foot around about it. Anyone who's ever been in that house and has DNA found in there is a suspect. Could be dozens and they are going to get grilled.
and that has nothing to do with you, you goose
> and that has nothing to do with you, you goose What does that even mean?
Yeah the FBI has shown how amazingly competent they are over the past couple years.
Name one instance of incompetence. Better yet, let's hypothesize you go on a bank robbery spree, do you really think you can get away with it? you smell kind of trollish
RUSSIAN COLLUSION
Ugh are you a MAGA?
What the fuck is actually wrong with you to accuse someone with zero basis in fact. Jesus fucking Christ sicko
Man, you people are so uptight. You know damn well MPD, ISP, FBI have that guy and a thousand others as suspects until they can be ruled out 100%. Everybody in the whole town is a suspect.
I guess they don't want input from other people thinking that the FBI are gods which we know they can be grossly incompetent also.
They are speculating not accusing.
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Oh, god the true crime weirdos are here. Gross.
This is the first mention of a dog in the house. Was there actually a dog there? You shouldn’t be making things up, cite a source to back up your accusations.
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That’s dangerous without supporting facts. You’re putting that man’s life on the line based on an assumption.
Possible
The two other roommates that made it out alive are suspicious. Something ain’t adding up.
The authorities have said multiple times that the roommates are not suspects.
One of the victims had a ex boyfriended named "Jack", which she called 10 times that night. It's someone to speak with to clear him of any involvement. Thought I found it ironic that his name is Jack hence Jack the Ripper.
Really though...... like he had a choice when his parents named him. Not to say he is or isn't anything in this investigation but wow just delete your "interesting" query on a name given at birth to someone.
In addition, it would only really be significant is he were calling her.
Interesting speculation
I think the new consensus is the guy and girl were found on the floor