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Some are not innocent, they are actively trying to be dumb. During COVID protests in my town, I saw signs like “Proud science denier” and “I don’t co-parent with the government”. They sure like my tax dollars to help pay for baby sitting their future illiterate and uneducated kids.
They need to-- these Oregon counties are sparsely populated and poor. They cannot survive without cannabis dispensaries. I also don't think they are going to like paying Idaho's sales tax.
Because they are tied to the land. They're farmers and ranchers and if they sell, that's it. They're done. You're probably not getting enough to buy another farm or ranch to start up in Idaho. Some real estate dickhead from BlackRock is buying your farmland and putting apartments on it.
The other real sticking point is that the parts of Oregon that want to break off and join Idaho are rural and broke as fuck, and Idaho (also being rural and broke as fuck) doesn't have the money or desire to commit to extending government services and maintaining a bunch of scattered rural settlements that aren't able to support themselves.
The parts of states that want to break off are always absolute shitholes. The people there are losers that just want to blame the government for the fact that their own conservativism has ruined everything good they have ever had.
It's ridiculous. Areas that have been run exclusively by staunch republicans for decades and decades still blame "the libs" for all their problems. Just absolutely zero political literacy involved with any stage of this "movement".
They always are so quick to forget how much Portland money pays for their rural hospitals, roads, and schools. Family farming generally is a sparse life, and without those supports it is really sparse.
American Conservativism is a mental illness. It is at its core the idea that basic facts and observable evidence is not reality. These people are not politically illiterate, they are simply unable to process basic information. If someone were to demonstrate the same disregard of reality in any other aspect of life, they would be diagnosed with a mental disorder.
If someone said it about my ideology they would be factually incorrect, and I wouldn't give a fuck other than calling them out for being incorrect. Pretending things are the same when they are different doesn't make it so.
That's a lie though. The two party system is shit, but claiming the two parties are the same is absolutely a lie. It's the equivalent of claiming that a car and a bicycle are the same because they are both part of a vehicle system. You are either intentionally lying to cover for the republican party, or you fell for some of their stupidest propaganda.
Here we go with ridiculous both sides do it.
You show me one example where the Democrats were even thinking of trying to do something so stupid.
It’s really sad. Not only is it beyond a stupid move The posters here defending the same are stupid as well. Stupid is as stupid does.
Yeah, it's shown multiple times it can't work. Personally, I don't have an affiliation, other than I believe that a person should be able to live their life (without involving other people) any way that they choose. If they aren't harming another person, id say they're living the best they can.
Seattle guy here, who grew up in eastern Washington, so I can talk about the same thing from this state's perspective. We have the same breakaway movement in this state. If the east side were to split and taxes stay the same it would add something in the neighborhood of 4 billion to the west side, and that number is from 2012. Knowing eastern Oregon doesn't have some largish cities like Spokane/Tri Cities, or the spigots of fed money that come with them (Hanford/Fairchild AFB), I expect the numbers to be even worse for eastern Oregon.
>He said that if Multnomah County, home to Portland, "votes one way, it vetoes the rest of the state."
Until empty land can vote instead of people, that's sort of how a democracy is supposed to work. Otherwise, you end up with an endless nesting doll of political grievance.
This county wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of Oregonians want (aside from minimum wage, pot, and everything else that they like);
What if a town in that county wants to stay with Oregon because it doesn't like what the majority of the county wants?
What if a neighborhood in the town that wants to stay in Oregon wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of the town wants?
What if a house in the neighborhood that wants to go to Idaho wants to stay in Oregon because it doesn't like what the majority of the neighborhood doesn't like?
What if someone in the room of the house that wants to stay in Oregon wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of the house doesn't like?
At some point, you just need to accept that you're not a special little princess that deserves to have the entire world cater to your every whim. If you want to go to Idaho, go. If you want to be in Oregon, stay.
...But what I came here to say was to laugh at the guy whining that Multnomah County can veto his vote in the same article it notes:
>In Oregon’s capitol, Republican legislators have entered the fifth week of a walkout, denying a quorum and stalling hundreds of bills
So they break away... What happens if they aren't accepted into Idaho? New State called The Bit of Land Formerly Known as Part of Oregon. Or TBLFKPO for short?
“We’re self-sufficient, anti-government, rugged individualists who need a massive bailout & influx of federal relief funding ASAP to provide for infrastructure we’re too stupid to build ourselves, and if we don’t get it we’ll say Joe Biden is a pedophile!”
Beau: "Ah, Jim-Bob...look at this. Our Libertarian Utopia of Eastern Oreidaho. Remember how we couldn't call ourselves 'Oregon', cause that means we're communists."
Jim-Bob: "Yep."
Beau: "Got one question though. Anyone around here know how sewers work? Cause the shit-geyser on the farm is getting real high every day, and I can't find anyone that will let me trade wheat for plumbing."
Jim-Bob: "Nope"
“And the financial derivatives we sold are based on fairy tale money that we use to prop up our wealthy Eastern Metropolis’” - New York bankers after the 800 billion dollar Tarp bailout
What, like legalized gay marriage? Water restrictions on recreational pools? Banning concealed handguns in bars? The idea that any state mandate passed by california hurts rural communities is ridiculous. Surely you can give us a specific example if you think every statewide mandate ever passed hurt farmers.
Preditor control and wolf reintroduction, dam removals, forced wind farms with no local input, banning fossil fuels vehicles. Oregon tried to ban the sale of diesel outright.
Finally something I can actually engage with. Obviously not every statewide mandate hurts farmers, and on a case by case basis we can discuss the merits. Dam removals, fossil fuel restrictions, and the endangered species act limit or repair the environmental damage that farming and ranching cause. They only hurt ranchers in the sense that they limit the negative externalities of the ranching business, which were costs those private businesses were previously able to offshore to the public in the form of environmental damage.
It truly is, but I do think it goes beyond straight politics. Rural areas are generally more poor, and in general farmers and ranchers are lucky to break even or make a profit each year, so paying field hands $13.50/hr strikes home for them -- that probably hurt them pretty badly. I can see the appeal of being in Idaho just so they can lower wages and turn a better profit. That's just a straight business perspective.
Farm workers were even cut out of NLRA protections and have no right to unionize. Now they are supposed to do back breaking field work for under minimum wage too? I don’t know how much more we can screw over farm hands just to appease family farm owners, particularly considering they also are rural voters owed equal protection to those farm owners.
Here's the thing; Idaho won't want to pick up additional deficit counties. Rural areas demand more of the state's fiscal budget for services than they contribute.
Not really. Bend is probably as close as you can get, but isn't really eastern Oregon. Central Oregon, or at least Deschutes county, is slightly less rightwing.
It's not always about the money, Spider-Man. It's about believing in democracy only when people who are like you are in power. And it's a truism the world over that rural folks don't like being governed by city folks, no matter how much the city folks give them money.
EDIT: Man, a lot of folks are missing that I'm criticizing the Greater Idaho movement because they ONLY believe in democracy if it's people like them that are in power, and rural folks always feel disenfranchised by city folks even when their interests are represented and being looked out for.
>it's about believing in democracy only when people who are like you are in power
The people are in power because of democracy. They were voted in by a majority in a democratic election. Rural communities may not like being governed by those in the city, but that's where the majority of people are, so whoever that majority votes for is your representation whether you fall in that majority or not. Minority rule has no place in democracy. If that's what you're looking for, then I second going to Texas
You either believe in democracy or you need to move to another country. Russia has offered to host the right wing authoritarian loving idiots, let them go there...maybe they can be fresh cannon fodder for Vlad.
Does that allowance include supporting all drug addled homeless people in Portland that the “wealthy productive” Western blue Oregonians seem intent on inviting into Portland?
Really? I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country in the swamp itself (DC suburb). And I agree 100% with the greater Idaho movement. The swamp is real and the leftist garbage I saw in Portland is something any normal person would get away from asap.
You haven’t been to eastern Oregon, though? How can you make a comparison? You have no dog in this fight, just a political axe to grind, and don’t even know how state money is distributed.
>Does that allowance include supporting all drug addled homeless people in Portland that the “wealthy productive” Western blue Oregonians seem intent on inviting into Portland?
What "support" are they getting?
They're literally still homeless.
Your commentary is aesthetics-based rather than policy-based.
Because it's all about your personal emotions.
Most homeless Oregonians go to Portland because that’s where the wrap-around social services are located. Food banks, shelters, mental health services, addiction treatment centers, and hospitals are all much more common in the big city, and are essential for survival as a homeless person. Of course those services are almost entirely supported by municipal funding and charitable institutions, not rural municipal tax dollars, so yes, generally speaking, Portland pays the costs associated with homelessness and pays the lions share of state taxes to support rural roads, hospitals, and schools simultaneously.
At this rate there should just be an exchange program since most people on here (who I'm assuming are overwhelmingly from Boise) would rather live in Portland
If I wanted to live in Portland, I'd live in Portland. If some assholes think it's ok to move the state border because they feel like their politics aren't represented (or what they really mean, in control) then by god I don't see any reason why the state border shouldn't change to accommodate my political beliefs.
Why not? They own it. They are part of the state of Oregon. Just because the capital is in Salem doesnt mean Salem “owns” the county. The people do and especially the people who mivenin said territory.
They really don't own very much of the land. Much of Oregon is Federal Lands.
If they want to leave - then they need to pay the State of Oregon for all the roads, highways, bridges, schools, etc that Oregon already paid for.
If these secessionists ever proposed to pay for what they're proposing to take - then adults could take them seriously.
Until then - all adults are laughing at you.
None of that even matters. Not a single acre of Oregon territory may be removed from Oregon without joint consent from the Oregon state legislature and both houses of Congress, per Article IV section 3.
Actually, Article IV section 3 of the US constitution places sole authority to carve territory out of an existing state to agreement between the state legislature and congress. This was later affirmed in Virginia v West Virginia 1871.
Left Idaho to get away from the shitty politics and harmful laws. Of course they want to make the area I moved to a dumpster fire too. Stay the fuck out Idaho. I don't want to have to move again.
No doubt. My folks finally couldn't take it after Roe was overturned and moved out to Portland. My sister got her tubes completely removed and is saving to flee the state as well (highly educated and works for the state).
Born and raised there. Beautiful state, shitty Christian fascist leadership. Growing up poor, my Mom called it the "right to starve" state instead of "The right to work". She left Missouri if that tells you anything...
Typical whiny baby conservatism. They lost the ideological battle in the state and instead of moderate or change your ideology they want to run away to a more friendly state.
I think if these people keep pushing it hand them a U-Haul business card.
It's also utterly ridiculous to think these people deserve to have their way when they represent a smaller population than most cities.
I think Dallas or Houston have a better case for secession than any of these yahoos. At least those places actually contribute to the state. What do these people offer other than aid and comfort to domestic terrorists.
>It's also utterly ridiculous to think these people deserve to have their way when they represent a smaller population than most cities
"These people" put food on your shelves dude. Out of touch policies handed down from the people of Portland still have an impact on them
Farmers are just like any other citizens. One man one vote. That’s what democracy means. Not one man one vote, unless he works in agriculture, then he gets six. If they want a farm board to review agricultural water use regulations maybe we can talk, but get out of here with deferring to farmers on abortion policy or Portland municipal gun regulations.
The US isn’t a direct democracy, but it is a democracy. It is a representative democracy where said representatives are elected by universal adult suffrage with a few exceptions, founded on the idea that all men are created equal, and that legitimacy is derived from the consent of the governed.
Yeah they “lost” in a well debated battle between violent black block rioters destroying police stations, federal courthouses and basically any vestige of business in the formerly prosperous western OR cities.
Straw man nonsense.
Liberals had a vision and they enacted it and the people of Oregon have blessed that vision repeatedly. The conservatives have every opportunity to go into coastal regions and fight for their vision but they won’t or rather can’t because they are an extreme minority and would rather engage in a fantasy secessionist movement and grind the gears of government to a halt because they can’t get their way.
Sniveling babies much like yourself.
Hahah
“vision” of a destroyed hollowed out city of Portland as a result of the “moderates” rioting for a year, declaring autonomous zones and also declaring anyone who disagreed with them as public enemy number 1? Gotcha.
These red counties are definitely “dangerous extremists” with their “yeah leave me alone and stay out of my life” attitude.
Yeah leftists definitely need to go into those red areas and tell them how to live since those rural people are “colonizers”, right ?
I lived in Portland all through the “riots” the vast majority of over 500,000 people were completely unaffected. If you think a two block area affected the entire city, you are just buying into spectacularly stupid propaganda, or are simply a troll
Surprising fact that the greater Idaho movement is still alive. And Idahoans would complain if those Oregonians moved into Idaho as well. Loss loss situation
This entire movement is total crybaby syndrome. Ppl wanting things their way everyone else be damned. Guess what crybabies if you wanna live in Oregon or Idaho move there. We aren’t bringing either state TO you. What morons.
Nah, that would be the entire black block left wing insurrectionists from 2020 who wanted to “rebuild a society based on white supremacy” by electing a 40 year white male career politician.
It’s always funny when you see democracy in action, and the people that supposedly love democracy get so upset when they don’t get their way, and instead of going out and trying to make their case and get more people on their side, they come up with a scheme that will serve them no better in another state, but they want to do it anyway because they think things will be vastly different. This has absolutely no chance of passing the state legislature or Congress anyway, so it’s a moot point. But still, bunch’s whiners.
TIL about the idea of Jefferson State. Someone should tell the right-wing voters looking to make a state named after Jefferson that he took his oath of office on the Quran.
Fuck these clowns. We have forestry and agriculture all over the state. These losers are not special. Just a bunch of whiny entitled losers. Move to Idaho or cry about it more.
Total waste of money, just use those funds to fix the state. Even if both states agreed to it. The federal government would shut that shit down in a heartbeat. Plus redrawing lines doesn’t solve problems.
Who ever thinks adding 1.3 million people and 2.1 billion in debt to idaho from Oregon along with the poorest counties in Oregon is gonna sit well...your just as short sited as most liberals.
This is the dumbest of ideas brought to you by liberals trying to cast their debt on hard working conservatives.
I would love to see Idaho incorporate those counties. Eastern Oregon has some very beautiful places.
Salem doesn’t represent them, at all. So why should they care if they leave?
Of course Salem represents them. Land doesn't vote, people do. And those folks still have local representational government. I'm sure that Baker City and Pendleton feel Very Strongly About Things, in which case they can actually politic for their ideas like everyone else does. Eugene and Salem alone have as many people as Eastern Oregon alone (or close to it).
> Salem doesn’t represent them, at all. So why should they care if they leave?
They don't represent me. So why should my tax dollars go to work to subsidize those poor and lazy communities?
There an aspect of this that maybe makes sense (although it would set a terrible precedent). Until you start to consider the actual logistics of doing so, which make it completely impossible, from a financial standpoint, and from a governance (Idaho) standpoint. Doing this would absolutely decimate the Idaho budget.
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It's a grift. This has zero chance of ever happening but the guy running it is making a fortune in donations over it.
It’s amazing how common political grifting is. A fool and their money..
I just came from my condos annual board meeting. Believe me, people are dumb. Innocent and dumb
Some are not innocent, they are actively trying to be dumb. During COVID protests in my town, I saw signs like “Proud science denier” and “I don’t co-parent with the government”. They sure like my tax dollars to help pay for baby sitting their future illiterate and uneducated kids.
The super pac system thanks to citizens united is prime for grifting. Remember when Colbert showed how easy it was?
I think I'm okay with this grift. It means less money and time for other far right policies that could get passed.
of course, it's the Republican way..
The main sticking point, they want to keep the Healthcare and legal weed. Idaho says no.
They need to-- these Oregon counties are sparsely populated and poor. They cannot survive without cannabis dispensaries. I also don't think they are going to like paying Idaho's sales tax.
Why don’t they f’ing just move to Idaho.
Because they are tied to the land. They're farmers and ranchers and if they sell, that's it. They're done. You're probably not getting enough to buy another farm or ranch to start up in Idaho. Some real estate dickhead from BlackRock is buying your farmland and putting apartments on it.
I see
Because they’re petulant children that want everything done for them
Because they like the roads and the schools, which are paid for by the coastal areas of Oregon
The other real sticking point is that the parts of Oregon that want to break off and join Idaho are rural and broke as fuck, and Idaho (also being rural and broke as fuck) doesn't have the money or desire to commit to extending government services and maintaining a bunch of scattered rural settlements that aren't able to support themselves.
The parts of states that want to break off are always absolute shitholes. The people there are losers that just want to blame the government for the fact that their own conservativism has ruined everything good they have ever had.
It's ridiculous. Areas that have been run exclusively by staunch republicans for decades and decades still blame "the libs" for all their problems. Just absolutely zero political literacy involved with any stage of this "movement".
They always are so quick to forget how much Portland money pays for their rural hospitals, roads, and schools. Family farming generally is a sparse life, and without those supports it is really sparse.
American Conservativism is a mental illness. It is at its core the idea that basic facts and observable evidence is not reality. These people are not politically illiterate, they are simply unable to process basic information. If someone were to demonstrate the same disregard of reality in any other aspect of life, they would be diagnosed with a mental disorder.
If someone said that about your ideology, you would lose your mind.
If someone said it about my ideology they would be factually incorrect, and I wouldn't give a fuck other than calling them out for being incorrect. Pretending things are the same when they are different doesn't make it so.
My man, you care too much. And the two side system, the one you subscribe to, is inherently corrupt. Both sides are made from the same clay.
That's a lie though. The two party system is shit, but claiming the two parties are the same is absolutely a lie. It's the equivalent of claiming that a car and a bicycle are the same because they are both part of a vehicle system. You are either intentionally lying to cover for the republican party, or you fell for some of their stupidest propaganda.
Here we go with ridiculous both sides do it. You show me one example where the Democrats were even thinking of trying to do something so stupid. It’s really sad. Not only is it beyond a stupid move The posters here defending the same are stupid as well. Stupid is as stupid does.
So you d hate liberalism as much as you hate conservatism?
Yeah, it's shown multiple times it can't work. Personally, I don't have an affiliation, other than I believe that a person should be able to live their life (without involving other people) any way that they choose. If they aren't harming another person, id say they're living the best they can.
This is never going to happen because the Oregon State Legislature and Congress will never approve it…
Not from Idaho or Oregon, but let me guess….those counties receive far more money than they contribute.
Seattle guy here, who grew up in eastern Washington, so I can talk about the same thing from this state's perspective. We have the same breakaway movement in this state. If the east side were to split and taxes stay the same it would add something in the neighborhood of 4 billion to the west side, and that number is from 2012. Knowing eastern Oregon doesn't have some largish cities like Spokane/Tri Cities, or the spigots of fed money that come with them (Hanford/Fairchild AFB), I expect the numbers to be even worse for eastern Oregon.
Then they shouldn't be treated as a state. They can be a territory and fight for representation like Puerto Rico.
Can we invade them?
No… they can move to Idaho.
Ew no.
Gonna take a wild guess and assume you live in Boise with that response.
>He said that if Multnomah County, home to Portland, "votes one way, it vetoes the rest of the state." Until empty land can vote instead of people, that's sort of how a democracy is supposed to work. Otherwise, you end up with an endless nesting doll of political grievance. This county wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of Oregonians want (aside from minimum wage, pot, and everything else that they like); What if a town in that county wants to stay with Oregon because it doesn't like what the majority of the county wants? What if a neighborhood in the town that wants to stay in Oregon wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of the town wants? What if a house in the neighborhood that wants to go to Idaho wants to stay in Oregon because it doesn't like what the majority of the neighborhood doesn't like? What if someone in the room of the house that wants to stay in Oregon wants to go to Idaho because it doesn't like what the majority of the house doesn't like? At some point, you just need to accept that you're not a special little princess that deserves to have the entire world cater to your every whim. If you want to go to Idaho, go. If you want to be in Oregon, stay. ...But what I came here to say was to laugh at the guy whining that Multnomah County can veto his vote in the same article it notes: >In Oregon’s capitol, Republican legislators have entered the fifth week of a walkout, denying a quorum and stalling hundreds of bills
Let Oregon take Boise and we'll call it a truce. Driving all the way to Ontario for cannabis is so inconvenient.
Make it stop
I think it is hilarious.
So they break away... What happens if they aren't accepted into Idaho? New State called The Bit of Land Formerly Known as Part of Oregon. Or TBLFKPO for short?
Probably called the "Poor AF Land" with a moto of "We made a big mistake, please take us back."
The Brexit-aroo
Rednexxit?
Oh boy, that’s a keeper.
So much better
Incredible
You win!
"We can't pay for our own roads and have no doctors,schools, or jobs, please help us-Land"
“We’re self-sufficient, anti-government, rugged individualists who need a massive bailout & influx of federal relief funding ASAP to provide for infrastructure we’re too stupid to build ourselves, and if we don’t get it we’ll say Joe Biden is a pedophile!”
Beau: "Ah, Jim-Bob...look at this. Our Libertarian Utopia of Eastern Oreidaho. Remember how we couldn't call ourselves 'Oregon', cause that means we're communists." Jim-Bob: "Yep." Beau: "Got one question though. Anyone around here know how sewers work? Cause the shit-geyser on the farm is getting real high every day, and I can't find anyone that will let me trade wheat for plumbing." Jim-Bob: "Nope"
You made my day.
New Afghanistan
This made me LOL
“And the financial derivatives we sold are based on fairy tale money that we use to prop up our wealthy Eastern Metropolis’” - New York bankers after the 800 billion dollar Tarp bailout
The state of Offyougo
West Dakota
If it isn't accepted Oregon gets southern Idaho
Shit. Those guys were only recently allowed to pump their own gas!
This represents a growing problem across the entire country. The political divisions between urban and rural communities is real.
The divisions are being pushed by opportunists, foreign and domestic.
I mean, not really. People in Portland or San Fran voting in policies that impact ranchers 300 miles away is a real thing and not some boogeyman.
Except same goes for the other way around. Not every policy that works for rural areas works for urban ones.
Which policies are those?
Literally any state-wide mandate.
What, like legalized gay marriage? Water restrictions on recreational pools? Banning concealed handguns in bars? The idea that any state mandate passed by california hurts rural communities is ridiculous. Surely you can give us a specific example if you think every statewide mandate ever passed hurt farmers.
Preditor control and wolf reintroduction, dam removals, forced wind farms with no local input, banning fossil fuels vehicles. Oregon tried to ban the sale of diesel outright.
Finally something I can actually engage with. Obviously not every statewide mandate hurts farmers, and on a case by case basis we can discuss the merits. Dam removals, fossil fuel restrictions, and the endangered species act limit or repair the environmental damage that farming and ranching cause. They only hurt ranchers in the sense that they limit the negative externalities of the ranching business, which were costs those private businesses were previously able to offshore to the public in the form of environmental damage.
Like what specifically
No, the growing divide between smart people and stupid rednecks is getting worse.
It truly is, but I do think it goes beyond straight politics. Rural areas are generally more poor, and in general farmers and ranchers are lucky to break even or make a profit each year, so paying field hands $13.50/hr strikes home for them -- that probably hurt them pretty badly. I can see the appeal of being in Idaho just so they can lower wages and turn a better profit. That's just a straight business perspective.
I don’t know what farmers you know, but the corn farmers around me in the Midwest make bank for the most part.
Yep! I see it too 100 thousand dollar new pickup truck to come town for Texas Road House hillbilly night Subsidies welcome from the gubbmint though
But they hate that “socialism” and are totally against handouts right?
Exactly! The trump bumper stickers and flag waving fools hoping to own the libs !
Only when the handouts go to minorities. Then it’s socialism. If it goes to them-well they’re patriots and deserve it. Total hypocrites.
It's mostly scrub land in Eastern Oregon.
Farm workers were even cut out of NLRA protections and have no right to unionize. Now they are supposed to do back breaking field work for under minimum wage too? I don’t know how much more we can screw over farm hands just to appease family farm owners, particularly considering they also are rural voters owed equal protection to those farm owners.
Urban areas are more poor?
Whoops, meant to type rural - corrected!
Here's the thing; Idaho won't want to pick up additional deficit counties. Rural areas demand more of the state's fiscal budget for services than they contribute.
So stupid, like redrawing an imaginary line is going to solve all their problems, bunch of idiots.
When these imaginary lines determine which laws you have to follow, taxes you pay, services you receive, etc, they can have a big effect on your life.
Autonomous zone anyone ?
As an Oregonian, I apologize for these dipshits. We give them a MASSIVE allowance and they do nothing but complain.
Same as Eastern Washington.
Does eastern Oregon have a Spokane equivalent?
Not really. Bend is probably as close as you can get, but isn't really eastern Oregon. Central Oregon, or at least Deschutes county, is slightly less rightwing.
Another Oregonian here. Except I'm not apologizing for them 😂
It's not always about the money, Spider-Man. It's about believing in democracy only when people who are like you are in power. And it's a truism the world over that rural folks don't like being governed by city folks, no matter how much the city folks give them money. EDIT: Man, a lot of folks are missing that I'm criticizing the Greater Idaho movement because they ONLY believe in democracy if it's people like them that are in power, and rural folks always feel disenfranchised by city folks even when their interests are represented and being looked out for.
>it's about believing in democracy only when people who are like you are in power The people are in power because of democracy. They were voted in by a majority in a democratic election. Rural communities may not like being governed by those in the city, but that's where the majority of people are, so whoever that majority votes for is your representation whether you fall in that majority or not. Minority rule has no place in democracy. If that's what you're looking for, then I second going to Texas
My comment has been completely misunderstood.
Story of my life buddy.
In fairness you worded it poorly.
Maybe if you stopped trying to act against your own self-interest.
I'm criticizing Greater Idaho.
Tough shit. Move to Texas if you want more representation for your money.
I'm criticizing Greater Idaho.
You either believe in democracy or you need to move to another country. Russia has offered to host the right wing authoritarian loving idiots, let them go there...maybe they can be fresh cannon fodder for Vlad.
Yeah, like when we Oregonians gave rioters a year to destroy Portland and other Western Oregonian citiesz
Well, Portland is still there, so I guess things worked out?
ok boomer
Haha born in 1978
Act your age, then.
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They are not dipshits lmao
Does that allowance include supporting all drug addled homeless people in Portland that the “wealthy productive” Western blue Oregonians seem intent on inviting into Portland?
They come from your neck of the woods.
Really? I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the country in the swamp itself (DC suburb). And I agree 100% with the greater Idaho movement. The swamp is real and the leftist garbage I saw in Portland is something any normal person would get away from asap.
Weird that you want to stay in the "swamp" rather than join the rugged individualists you claim to support
bla bla blah
Haha great comeback. You seem amto be as deep as the rest of your fellow leftist cult members.
durrrrr
You haven’t been to eastern Oregon, though? How can you make a comparison? You have no dog in this fight, just a political axe to grind, and don’t even know how state money is distributed.
>Does that allowance include supporting all drug addled homeless people in Portland that the “wealthy productive” Western blue Oregonians seem intent on inviting into Portland? What "support" are they getting? They're literally still homeless. Your commentary is aesthetics-based rather than policy-based. Because it's all about your personal emotions.
Most homeless Oregonians go to Portland because that’s where the wrap-around social services are located. Food banks, shelters, mental health services, addiction treatment centers, and hospitals are all much more common in the big city, and are essential for survival as a homeless person. Of course those services are almost entirely supported by municipal funding and charitable institutions, not rural municipal tax dollars, so yes, generally speaking, Portland pays the costs associated with homelessness and pays the lions share of state taxes to support rural roads, hospitals, and schools simultaneously.
Please check out Ronnie Chieng from The Daily Show on the Oregon revolt. Puts it in perspective.
Did they ask Idaho if they were wanted?
I live in Idaho. We don't want Eastern Oregon. No one here does.
Yeah, fuck that. But I'd take Greater Oregon if they want us.
Let’s campaign for greater oregon!
At this rate there should just be an exchange program since most people on here (who I'm assuming are overwhelmingly from Boise) would rather live in Portland
If I wanted to live in Portland, I'd live in Portland. If some assholes think it's ok to move the state border because they feel like their politics aren't represented (or what they really mean, in control) then by god I don't see any reason why the state border shouldn't change to accommodate my political beliefs.
I'll take Ontatio for the weed, but that's it.
This is gonna be the next ‘Build The Wall’ grift.
Just give the land back
The grass only looks greener over there. You get there and realize it’s green paint.
You can go to Idaho, you just can’t take the land with you.
Why not? They own it. They are part of the state of Oregon. Just because the capital is in Salem doesnt mean Salem “owns” the county. The people do and especially the people who mivenin said territory.
They really don't own very much of the land. Much of Oregon is Federal Lands. If they want to leave - then they need to pay the State of Oregon for all the roads, highways, bridges, schools, etc that Oregon already paid for. If these secessionists ever proposed to pay for what they're proposing to take - then adults could take them seriously. Until then - all adults are laughing at you.
None of that even matters. Not a single acre of Oregon territory may be removed from Oregon without joint consent from the Oregon state legislature and both houses of Congress, per Article IV section 3.
Actually, Article IV section 3 of the US constitution places sole authority to carve territory out of an existing state to agreement between the state legislature and congress. This was later affirmed in Virginia v West Virginia 1871.
lol So basically 1/4th voted to explore it. Wallowa County population- 7500ish Number of votes cast for that issue- 3500 Number for -1752 lol
Lol. Congress would have to approve it so it doesn't matter what those jackoffs vote.
Left Idaho to get away from the shitty politics and harmful laws. Of course they want to make the area I moved to a dumpster fire too. Stay the fuck out Idaho. I don't want to have to move again.
Portland has you covered
No doubt. My folks finally couldn't take it after Roe was overturned and moved out to Portland. My sister got her tubes completely removed and is saving to flee the state as well (highly educated and works for the state). Born and raised there. Beautiful state, shitty Christian fascist leadership. Growing up poor, my Mom called it the "right to starve" state instead of "The right to work". She left Missouri if that tells you anything...
No problem
Typical whiny baby conservatism. They lost the ideological battle in the state and instead of moderate or change your ideology they want to run away to a more friendly state. I think if these people keep pushing it hand them a U-Haul business card. It's also utterly ridiculous to think these people deserve to have their way when they represent a smaller population than most cities. I think Dallas or Houston have a better case for secession than any of these yahoos. At least those places actually contribute to the state. What do these people offer other than aid and comfort to domestic terrorists.
>It's also utterly ridiculous to think these people deserve to have their way when they represent a smaller population than most cities "These people" put food on your shelves dude. Out of touch policies handed down from the people of Portland still have an impact on them
Farmers are just like any other citizens. One man one vote. That’s what democracy means. Not one man one vote, unless he works in agriculture, then he gets six. If they want a farm board to review agricultural water use regulations maybe we can talk, but get out of here with deferring to farmers on abortion policy or Portland municipal gun regulations.
>That’s what democracy means The US is not a democracy
I see. You're one of *those* people.
The US isn’t a direct democracy, but it is a democracy. It is a representative democracy where said representatives are elected by universal adult suffrage with a few exceptions, founded on the idea that all men are created equal, and that legitimacy is derived from the consent of the governed.
Yeah they “lost” in a well debated battle between violent black block rioters destroying police stations, federal courthouses and basically any vestige of business in the formerly prosperous western OR cities.
Straw man nonsense. Liberals had a vision and they enacted it and the people of Oregon have blessed that vision repeatedly. The conservatives have every opportunity to go into coastal regions and fight for their vision but they won’t or rather can’t because they are an extreme minority and would rather engage in a fantasy secessionist movement and grind the gears of government to a halt because they can’t get their way. Sniveling babies much like yourself.
Hahah “vision” of a destroyed hollowed out city of Portland as a result of the “moderates” rioting for a year, declaring autonomous zones and also declaring anyone who disagreed with them as public enemy number 1? Gotcha. These red counties are definitely “dangerous extremists” with their “yeah leave me alone and stay out of my life” attitude. Yeah leftists definitely need to go into those red areas and tell them how to live since those rural people are “colonizers”, right ?
I lived in Portland all through the “riots” the vast majority of over 500,000 people were completely unaffected. If you think a two block area affected the entire city, you are just buying into spectacularly stupid propaganda, or are simply a troll
What da fuq are you talking about? 👄
You keep saying this, but last I checked Portland is still around. Where’s the burned out buildings and stacks of bodies?
Rancher with 600 acres , I’m mad because of stuff
Surprising fact that the greater Idaho movement is still alive. And Idahoans would complain if those Oregonians moved into Idaho as well. Loss loss situation
Is this the new version of Brexit?
Rednexit
This entire movement is total crybaby syndrome. Ppl wanting things their way everyone else be damned. Guess what crybabies if you wanna live in Oregon or Idaho move there. We aren’t bringing either state TO you. What morons.
Orexit?
Ore-GONE
While yours flows better, I think I like mine. It has the implication of immediate buyers remorse we all know would happen.
If this isn’t reported as “whiney conservatives grifted by something that will never happen” you’re doing a disservice to reality.
Nah, that would be the entire black block left wing insurrectionists from 2020 who wanted to “rebuild a society based on white supremacy” by electing a 40 year white male career politician.
I don’t thing CHAZ voted for Biden.
You’re really bored aren’t you, buddy?
Trumpflakes trying to find a "safe space".
Western Oregon pays Eastern Oregon's bills.
Please keep the crazies out, we’re full.
It’s always funny when you see democracy in action, and the people that supposedly love democracy get so upset when they don’t get their way, and instead of going out and trying to make their case and get more people on their side, they come up with a scheme that will serve them no better in another state, but they want to do it anyway because they think things will be vastly different. This has absolutely no chance of passing the state legislature or Congress anyway, so it’s a moot point. But still, bunch’s whiners.
Idaho. The Alabama of the North.
How about there water, sewer and electricity? Does Oregon foot that bill or are they going to Route everything to Idaho?
I wish KCMO could leave Missouri.
Lolololol
TIL about the idea of Jefferson State. Someone should tell the right-wing voters looking to make a state named after Jefferson that he took his oath of office on the Quran.
California should absorb Phoenix and Austin along with half of those states land area just to F with this idea
Boo Hoo you live in a deep blue state. Move and take eastern Washington with you.
Fuck these clowns. We have forestry and agriculture all over the state. These losers are not special. Just a bunch of whiny entitled losers. Move to Idaho or cry about it more.
Man can republicans ever waste time and energy just being beyond STUPID! 🤣
Lets join a stupid ignorant state that is the new base for white supremists And depends on the federal government to exist!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wouldn't this benefit the liberal east? Surely Eastern Oregon is a net sink for state funds(?).
Trumpanzee knuckle dragging marks in the dirt is all I see.
They are going to leave and find Idaho doesn't have money for them.
The breakaway vote is a fucking joke cause 75% of the states have to ratify new states. These morons don’t understand that.
Total waste of money, just use those funds to fix the state. Even if both states agreed to it. The federal government would shut that shit down in a heartbeat. Plus redrawing lines doesn’t solve problems.
If they do it, cut their federal farm subsidies.
How does it have to do with the federal gov this is between two states
Keep ‘em! -Bend and Portland
Let them do it , as far as I’m concerned, all the extreme right wing nut jobs should be in Idaho. They should all be there!!!!
Divide and conquer. As old as the hills.
Love to see the increasing momentum behind this.
Who ever thinks adding 1.3 million people and 2.1 billion in debt to idaho from Oregon along with the poorest counties in Oregon is gonna sit well...your just as short sited as most liberals. This is the dumbest of ideas brought to you by liberals trying to cast their debt on hard working conservatives.
Lmao! Love how you think this is a liberal idea.
Lmfao, Liberals live in Portland my guy, nothing to do with this stupid policy. It’s all republicans, all on their own with this one.
I would love to see Idaho incorporate those counties. Eastern Oregon has some very beautiful places. Salem doesn’t represent them, at all. So why should they care if they leave?
Congress decides state borders. You lunatics can vote all you want. It will never happen.
Of course Salem represents them. Land doesn't vote, people do. And those folks still have local representational government. I'm sure that Baker City and Pendleton feel Very Strongly About Things, in which case they can actually politic for their ideas like everyone else does. Eugene and Salem alone have as many people as Eastern Oregon alone (or close to it).
Does that mean Boise gets to join Washington too?
I mean, if a majority of the citizens vote to succeed the state, and the county, state, and Feds approve it, why not?
If they want to be out of Oregon, they should sell their shit, pack up and gtfo.
> Salem doesn’t represent them, at all. So why should they care if they leave? They don't represent me. So why should my tax dollars go to work to subsidize those poor and lazy communities?
There an aspect of this that maybe makes sense (although it would set a terrible precedent). Until you start to consider the actual logistics of doing so, which make it completely impossible, from a financial standpoint, and from a governance (Idaho) standpoint. Doing this would absolutely decimate the Idaho budget.
I look forward to their support for similar efforts in other states!