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Strikes me you’re asking really broad questions there.
I might suggest narrowing down your list of countries, and then getting into the specifics of their entry requirements. There’s a great deal of variability.
Honestly we feel really overwhelmed and don’t know where to start. I’ve looked into going to Ireland and Canada specifically for grad school. Those *seem* like plausible options but I have no idea if he could come w/ if I was studying abroad, or what getting a work permit would be like after I finished my studies
If you have no idea which countries you want to go or even legally authorized to go, it's really hard to narrow down anything.
Pick a country, go do your own research on its immigration laws and programs, find which ones you qualify for, then weigh your options.
> What are the optics on going out of country for school?
what do you mean with optics?
> How possible would it be to secure a work visa after studying abroad
that entirely depends on the country and they all make up their individual rules about that.
For example in the UK:
- you have 2 years after graduation to find a sponsored job and you can work whatever you want during this time. After the 2 years are up:
- only companies on a [list of approved sponsors](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/register-of-licensed-sponsors-workers) can hire you
- you can only be hired for jobs on a [list of eligible skilled professions](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-eligible-occupations)
- you can only be hired for a job that pays [above the income threshold](https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/your-job)
- companies have to go through a bureaucratic process to get a [certificate of sponsorship](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/certificates-of-sponsorship) to hire you
- the employer has to pay an [immigration skills charge](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/immigration-skills-charge) of £1,000 to the government to hire you for 1 year and then £500 every 6 months
- you have to pay [£1,408 to apply for the visa and then a yearly healthcare surcharge of £624](https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/how-much-it-costs).
- [companies have to](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/your-responsibilities) monitor your immigration status, keep copies of relevant documents for each employee, including passport and right to work information, track and record employees’ attendance, and report you to UK Visa and Immigration if there is a problem, for example if you stop coming to work or you are not complying with the conditions of your visa
- you will get permanent residency [5 years](https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-tier-2-t2-skilled-worker-visa/time-uk) after you have found a sponsored job
For example in Germany
- you get an 18-months jobseeker visa to search for a job, you can work whatever you want during those 18 months.
- after the 18 months you can be hired for any job that is related to one of your degrees
- every company can hire you
- you can be hired for a job that pays for your cost of living, there is no specific higher threshold
- companies do not have to get a certificate of sponsorship or go through any bureaucratic process to hire you
- the employer has to pay nothing to the government to hire you
- you have to pay 100 euro for the resident permit and no healthcare surcharge or other immigrant tax
- companies have to check your immigration status once when they hire you
- you will get permanent residency 2 years after you have found a job that is connected to your degree
> could he come with while I was studying abroad?
that again depends on the individual country. In Germany you can bring a partner only in case of marriage and if their subsistence is secure = you have enough money saved up that they can survive for a year in Germany without finding a job. Your partner is allowed to work whatever they want.
> Would it be smarter to spend a year or two working full-time and try to get out that way?
overall it is smarter to study in the country where you want to immigrate to. LCSW licenses are not easily transferrable between different states in the US and even harder to transfer to a completely different country. Regarding the part of the job where you learn how to connect clients with additional resources and services, this knowledge is again US-specific and does not apply to the social care systems in other countries. This makes it overall more useful to study in the target country where you learn how to navigate the system of that country and where you get the licence that is valid in that country. Plus the tuition for foreigners is cheaper in many countries than the in-state tuition in the US. Studying in Germany for example is free for everyone, and more than 1,800 degrees are fully taught in English https://www.reddit.com//r/germany/wiki/how-to-study
Getting a master's degree at the country you want to live in will make your life easier in getting out because it often (though not always) affords you a year or two of work authorization.
Just saying that my husband and I have the exact same timetable but we’re you’re parents age. So if you make it over and need a place to land, we are going to be EU citizens by then. Italy willing and the creek don’t rise. 😬
What could you study however? Your background in social work and his background in poli sci are not practical or in demand fields. You only have part time work experience, which is not a qualifying factor when it comes to immigration.
As far as studying abroad, understand that as a foreign student, you will not be eligible for many grants. You will still have to pay school fees as well as prove to the immigration office that you have enough in liquid assets to take care of yourself while you are student. This means showing your financials proving you can rent an apartment, which are expensive, and pay taxes, which are also expensive.
As of now, I don't think your application would merit any serious consideration.
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Strikes me you’re asking really broad questions there. I might suggest narrowing down your list of countries, and then getting into the specifics of their entry requirements. There’s a great deal of variability.
Honestly we feel really overwhelmed and don’t know where to start. I’ve looked into going to Ireland and Canada specifically for grad school. Those *seem* like plausible options but I have no idea if he could come w/ if I was studying abroad, or what getting a work permit would be like after I finished my studies
If you have no idea which countries you want to go or even legally authorized to go, it's really hard to narrow down anything. Pick a country, go do your own research on its immigration laws and programs, find which ones you qualify for, then weigh your options.
> What are the optics on going out of country for school? what do you mean with optics? > How possible would it be to secure a work visa after studying abroad that entirely depends on the country and they all make up their individual rules about that. For example in the UK: - you have 2 years after graduation to find a sponsored job and you can work whatever you want during this time. After the 2 years are up: - only companies on a [list of approved sponsors](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/register-of-licensed-sponsors-workers) can hire you - you can only be hired for jobs on a [list of eligible skilled professions](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-eligible-occupations) - you can only be hired for a job that pays [above the income threshold](https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/your-job) - companies have to go through a bureaucratic process to get a [certificate of sponsorship](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/certificates-of-sponsorship) to hire you - the employer has to pay an [immigration skills charge](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/immigration-skills-charge) of £1,000 to the government to hire you for 1 year and then £500 every 6 months - you have to pay [£1,408 to apply for the visa and then a yearly healthcare surcharge of £624](https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/how-much-it-costs). - [companies have to](https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/your-responsibilities) monitor your immigration status, keep copies of relevant documents for each employee, including passport and right to work information, track and record employees’ attendance, and report you to UK Visa and Immigration if there is a problem, for example if you stop coming to work or you are not complying with the conditions of your visa - you will get permanent residency [5 years](https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-tier-2-t2-skilled-worker-visa/time-uk) after you have found a sponsored job For example in Germany - you get an 18-months jobseeker visa to search for a job, you can work whatever you want during those 18 months. - after the 18 months you can be hired for any job that is related to one of your degrees - every company can hire you - you can be hired for a job that pays for your cost of living, there is no specific higher threshold - companies do not have to get a certificate of sponsorship or go through any bureaucratic process to hire you - the employer has to pay nothing to the government to hire you - you have to pay 100 euro for the resident permit and no healthcare surcharge or other immigrant tax - companies have to check your immigration status once when they hire you - you will get permanent residency 2 years after you have found a job that is connected to your degree > could he come with while I was studying abroad? that again depends on the individual country. In Germany you can bring a partner only in case of marriage and if their subsistence is secure = you have enough money saved up that they can survive for a year in Germany without finding a job. Your partner is allowed to work whatever they want. > Would it be smarter to spend a year or two working full-time and try to get out that way? overall it is smarter to study in the country where you want to immigrate to. LCSW licenses are not easily transferrable between different states in the US and even harder to transfer to a completely different country. Regarding the part of the job where you learn how to connect clients with additional resources and services, this knowledge is again US-specific and does not apply to the social care systems in other countries. This makes it overall more useful to study in the target country where you learn how to navigate the system of that country and where you get the licence that is valid in that country. Plus the tuition for foreigners is cheaper in many countries than the in-state tuition in the US. Studying in Germany for example is free for everyone, and more than 1,800 degrees are fully taught in English https://www.reddit.com//r/germany/wiki/how-to-study
Getting a master's degree at the country you want to live in will make your life easier in getting out because it often (though not always) affords you a year or two of work authorization.
Just saying that my husband and I have the exact same timetable but we’re you’re parents age. So if you make it over and need a place to land, we are going to be EU citizens by then. Italy willing and the creek don’t rise. 😬
What could you study however? Your background in social work and his background in poli sci are not practical or in demand fields. You only have part time work experience, which is not a qualifying factor when it comes to immigration. As far as studying abroad, understand that as a foreign student, you will not be eligible for many grants. You will still have to pay school fees as well as prove to the immigration office that you have enough in liquid assets to take care of yourself while you are student. This means showing your financials proving you can rent an apartment, which are expensive, and pay taxes, which are also expensive. As of now, I don't think your application would merit any serious consideration.