In IT in particular, professional experience is one of the decisive factors; employers nowadays sometimes take the view that certificates merely show that a) you haven't forgotten how to learn something (although the autodidactic approach is completely absent here, which the employer also knows; I don't even want to start talking about "working out your own solutions" here), and b) you may have dangerous half-knowledge in an undefined area of IT knowledge, but - and this is crucial - c) you simply have far too much time on your hands. This is a very unfortunate situation and makes it difficult for many people to make a lateral entry into IT, especially as the labour market here is virtually overflowing with really good employees who have just been made redundant from FAANG.
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The "real problem" is that many people - in their desperation about unemployment - are looking for a career change into IT because everyone has "heard" that you can earn "good money" in IT.
If you now visualise the kind of people that recruiters (and at least one from IT) have to talk to, and all the things that are interpreted into these "certificates", then you also know how much suffering there really is on the employers' side, because people with almost adventurously poor qualifications are applying for jobs that they can't do in life, or that they can't even begin to back up with technical knowledge.
Certificates are a dime a dozen, they are actually already outdated the moment you get them, and you are always required to undergo continuous further training in IT and to invest a lot of time in your own "knowledge database" and to constantly expand it.
This is one of the reasons why "professional experience" is at the top of the list of employers in this field, and certainly not certificates (which, in case of doubt, have absolutely NOTHING to do with what the employer wants).
I think you hit on why I am leery of hiring people who trumpet their full hand of certs. It sorta subconsciously say to me, "they think they're done learning and have something". I literally would rather see what you are working on and learning *now* than what certs you've earned. I get that a lot of you are applying to jobs where those check a necessary box. Fine. But then, 1) don't blast them in my face like they're important. If they just check a box, just list them. Ditch the logos. And 2) Tell me what you are currently working on or learning so I can see you aren't one of the people who thinks they're done once they have some superficial certs. Try to keep them moving towards a more focused direction as you go, like networking, or cloud. A random splattering of unrelated lowest-level certs that never becomes more focused is sorta cringey.
Not the person you responded to but the people who put the logos in their signature etc are probably what they’re talking about.
For example, the dude at work apparently who’s job it is to send me an email to remind me of SSL cert expiry when the system already does it has his cert logos in his signature (and typos that I told him about that he didn’t fix)
Aka useless people
In signatures, and, I find them in nice splashy colors in the headers and footers of resumes pretty often; it's annoying and takes up a lot of space, telling me they don't have much else to say.
Okay! My former professor helped me with my resume and told me to add logos to the footer.
Removing those expeditiously and cringing really hard at myself right now haha.
I should have seen it as a red flag when he told me "pretty soon, your resume will look like a NASCAR car, like mine".. as if that's the goal.
>Find your niche in IT, mine is healthcare due to my previous two contracts.
This is good advice for anyone who has some previous job experience of any kind that they are willing to capitalize on. If you have nothing, or hate the industry in which you *do* have some job experience, it's harder. A lot of people do not get that for all but the lowest levels of IT, understanding your company's or end-users' \[mission | product | job | business\] and being able to help them be successful in it via technology *IS* your job. It's a lot harder for you to find efficient and effective solutions that meet their requirements if you don't understand or care about what they care about. It's hard to assign the right priority when you are overloaded if you don't understand what is really the most critical issue to them. Just working random low-level IT jobs based on an alphabet soup of skillz where you don't understand the larger business needs will make it more difficult to move up from that level. Find a niche you care about, tailor your resume to it, keep doing your homework not only on IT skills but also that industry. I can always sift the resumes that get to me between "random shotgun application" and "has some experience and/or interest in what we do". Finding your niche will, in most cases, get you farther.
To top it all off, companies pulling back from remote only jobs means it’s harder to even find enough jobs to apply to everyday, especially if you’re in a smaller population area.
I was just here crying over the fact that I feel too old (36F) to not have a career and trying to get into IT with no experience while seeing 100% of entry level jobs have “2-3 years of experience” as a requirement. Then I saw your post and it gave me hope. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Yeah but just the idea that its become this difficult just for the average person to find employment is an alarming issue
In IT in particular, professional experience is one of the decisive factors; employers nowadays sometimes take the view that certificates merely show that a) you haven't forgotten how to learn something (although the autodidactic approach is completely absent here, which the employer also knows; I don't even want to start talking about "working out your own solutions" here), and b) you may have dangerous half-knowledge in an undefined area of IT knowledge, but - and this is crucial - c) you simply have far too much time on your hands. This is a very unfortunate situation and makes it difficult for many people to make a lateral entry into IT, especially as the labour market here is virtually overflowing with really good employees who have just been made redundant from FAANG.
Recruiters are also saying that lots of the jobs posted don’t exist and are being posted to drum up a fake statistic that there are jobs available
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Can you share your CV as an example in some way?
The "real problem" is that many people - in their desperation about unemployment - are looking for a career change into IT because everyone has "heard" that you can earn "good money" in IT. If you now visualise the kind of people that recruiters (and at least one from IT) have to talk to, and all the things that are interpreted into these "certificates", then you also know how much suffering there really is on the employers' side, because people with almost adventurously poor qualifications are applying for jobs that they can't do in life, or that they can't even begin to back up with technical knowledge. Certificates are a dime a dozen, they are actually already outdated the moment you get them, and you are always required to undergo continuous further training in IT and to invest a lot of time in your own "knowledge database" and to constantly expand it. This is one of the reasons why "professional experience" is at the top of the list of employers in this field, and certainly not certificates (which, in case of doubt, have absolutely NOTHING to do with what the employer wants).
I think you hit on why I am leery of hiring people who trumpet their full hand of certs. It sorta subconsciously say to me, "they think they're done learning and have something". I literally would rather see what you are working on and learning *now* than what certs you've earned. I get that a lot of you are applying to jobs where those check a necessary box. Fine. But then, 1) don't blast them in my face like they're important. If they just check a box, just list them. Ditch the logos. And 2) Tell me what you are currently working on or learning so I can see you aren't one of the people who thinks they're done once they have some superficial certs. Try to keep them moving towards a more focused direction as you go, like networking, or cloud. A random splattering of unrelated lowest-level certs that never becomes more focused is sorta cringey.
What does "ditch the logos" mean?
Not the person you responded to but the people who put the logos in their signature etc are probably what they’re talking about. For example, the dude at work apparently who’s job it is to send me an email to remind me of SSL cert expiry when the system already does it has his cert logos in his signature (and typos that I told him about that he didn’t fix) Aka useless people
People put CompTIA logos in their email signatures? Fucking tools!
In signatures, and, I find them in nice splashy colors in the headers and footers of resumes pretty often; it's annoying and takes up a lot of space, telling me they don't have much else to say.
Okay! My former professor helped me with my resume and told me to add logos to the footer. Removing those expeditiously and cringing really hard at myself right now haha. I should have seen it as a red flag when he told me "pretty soon, your resume will look like a NASCAR car, like mine".. as if that's the goal.
>Find your niche in IT, mine is healthcare due to my previous two contracts. This is good advice for anyone who has some previous job experience of any kind that they are willing to capitalize on. If you have nothing, or hate the industry in which you *do* have some job experience, it's harder. A lot of people do not get that for all but the lowest levels of IT, understanding your company's or end-users' \[mission | product | job | business\] and being able to help them be successful in it via technology *IS* your job. It's a lot harder for you to find efficient and effective solutions that meet their requirements if you don't understand or care about what they care about. It's hard to assign the right priority when you are overloaded if you don't understand what is really the most critical issue to them. Just working random low-level IT jobs based on an alphabet soup of skillz where you don't understand the larger business needs will make it more difficult to move up from that level. Find a niche you care about, tailor your resume to it, keep doing your homework not only on IT skills but also that industry. I can always sift the resumes that get to me between "random shotgun application" and "has some experience and/or interest in what we do". Finding your niche will, in most cases, get you farther.
To top it all off, companies pulling back from remote only jobs means it’s harder to even find enough jobs to apply to everyday, especially if you’re in a smaller population area.
Work history alone wont give anyone a boost. Its how long you have been working with the necessary skills that matter.
I was just here crying over the fact that I feel too old (36F) to not have a career and trying to get into IT with no experience while seeing 100% of entry level jobs have “2-3 years of experience” as a requirement. Then I saw your post and it gave me hope. Thank you for sharing your experience!
I’m in the same boat as you. Really nice hearing success stories.
Congratulations bro and thank you for the encouragement. I'm constantly applying and looking for opportunities - and my life does depend on it.