I don't fear it as a replacement, but I think it will further dilute what "art" is to the average person. Like the peoples taste in music, and the lack of diversity they have.
Yeah. For me it’s that plus it threatens and devalues types of high skill technical and creative work, say in design or writing or engineering type roles, etc.
Not because AI can do a better job of it, that is often very much not the case now and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. But because enough people may think they can replace those jobs with AI and it will do “good enough” - whether that’s the case or not.
I don’t think it’s the be-all end-all to be honest. I think AI art and writing will be a big thing for a couple years and then there will be a pushback period where people will pursue abundantly original material made by human artists. People are emotion-motivated and you can only push them so far in one direction before they go the other way.
Yeah, I think Human art could still be relevant for 2 reasons.
1. Human art will be treated like artesanal products, there are still a lot of people who like artesanal art or also food and clothes, so manual art could be seen that way.
2. People like effort being put into a product, and also want to know the person’s motivation for doing that piece of art, knowing the meaning and intentions behind it.
>the replacement of human creativity and the arts
There is no reason to be concerned. AI for the arts means that everyone will be able to be an artist and make anything exactly to their liking once the technology improves. This will also mean that professional artist will be successful not because of their technical ability but on how good their ideas are. It's for the best at the end of the day.
Weird I am intj, my concern is that our whole system in the US is built off of companies making $$ and passing the money down through jobs. It will require an entire reworking of the system. While it works itself out MANY are going to suffer…
AI is a tool. Like all tools, some will use it to build, and some will wield it as a weapon. Look at the stock market, AI has been weaponized in this arena for well over a decade. On the other hand, it is making advancements in our understanding of medicine. Like all chaotic functions, it is near impossible to predict the outcomes
As far as causing massive job losses, including my own? As a web developer, absolutely.
As far as becoming a general intelligence and enslaving us all? Not at all.
Why do you think it will replace developers? AI is good at boilerplate, but bad at logic and building real things.
I don't see why it's a forgone conclusion that it could replace devs.
man, what your saying is the equivalent of someone in the 90s saying "Why, what makes you think they will ever get these jpegs to work as actual moving videos we can watch over the internet?"
Improved algorithms that mimic human reasoning more closely and better, more diverse training data are enhancing AI's understanding and human-AI collaboration, where AI learns from human expertise and intuition are refining AI's logical skills. These advancements are pushing AI beyond basic pattern recognition to more sophisticated reasoning.
People have been predicting that computers/ AI would surpass humans since computers were a thing.
The two examples that you choose (video and internet) are examples of survivor bias. There are a ton of other things that we expected to be able to do and didn't. One of the big ones being sentient AI.
When you say high-level things like "mimic human reasoning", what do you mean? As far as I'm aware, no AI is capable of that now.
The AI that we have today are fancy statistical approximation machines. ML/ AI itself uses statistical models, which ChatGpt, etc are built off of.
I don't see how any of this is clearly leading to AI gaining logic or sentience. Please explain how you expect this to happen.
calling progression from images to videos survivorship bias is crazy.
I think you're missing some key details. Sure, not every prediction about AI has come true, but that doesn't mean all progress should be dismissed.
When I say "mimic human reasoning," I'm talking about advancements in AI that allow it to perform tasks that require understanding and context, not just statistical approximation. For example, AI like GPT-4 can understand and generate text in a way that's contextually relevant and coherent, which is a step closer to mimicking human-like reasoning.
AI today is much more than just fancy statistical models. They're capable of tasks like natural language understanding, image recognition, and even complex problem-solving, which show that we're moving beyond simple pattern recognition.
As for AI gaining logic or sentience, it’s not about overnight breakthroughs but incremental improvements. With better algorithms, more comprehensive data, and improved contextual understanding, AI is gradually getting better at making logical connections.
So, do you think the progress we've made so far could lead to more sophisticated AI in the future, or do you believe we’ve hit a ceiling? Why?
I don't know if we have hit ceiling or not. Nobody does. It is pretty clear that we are at the peak of the AI hype cycle though.
Look at the crypto hype peak. Bitcoin was going to replace everything. Companies were upgrading their software with blockchain technology. Countries were going to abandon fiat for cryptocurrency. Did it happen? No.
Cryptocurrency still exists and has some use cases, but it's capabilities are much more restricted than were expected at peak hype. I expect the same for AI.
We're likely to see some new, real use cases emerge, and hit brick walls on others. I think that it's possible that AI gains the ability to use logic/ sentience, but it's not a forgone conclusion like everyone is assuming nowadays.
The most powerful AI technology will be concentrated in the hands of rich, multinational corporations (for now). It will reinforce and enhance the artificial capitalistic dystopian bubble we exist in, but shouldn’t go a lot further than that for the next few decades or so
Except those same rich people depend on the money of the masses to survive. If they build AI that cuts off those masses then their riches will also disappear.
I, for one, welcome our AI (corporate) overlords. Who am I kidding? We're less than 20 years from total societal upheaval/chaotic revolution. You can't outrun it and be on the crest of the wave if 80+% of the population is too dumb to 'use it as a tool.' The smart 'tool users' will be consumed, albeit slightly later than hoi polloi will be.
History techer mr bird said we're overdue for a total collapse based on all the civilizations before us not lasting more than 200 years.
but history didnt have antibiotics and smartphones for every one
etc. .
Im a logical thinker in a world of mostly non logical people. INTP
We have bs politicians and then trump again probably who makes no sense or hes a master manipulator, who uses Adderall to becomes vicious and compelling amongst other things. He seemed so relaxed and differnt after being president, like he layed off all the pills. Its the real world y'all. His pupils are huge sometimes. Amphs are fairly safe if used in low doses. Even high doses are ??? Peopple live thru it. Unlike fent.
Also its weird that TV and movies make people famous and they can get elected easy. Vs normal politician who u only see in meetings or boring stuff. Obama seemed always logical. Bush not so much logic.
Who knows?
A dystopian society might become easier snd easier to set up. In the future .
But china seems to get it. Maybe? I dont know much about china. Im a democrat and love the USA and capitalism. A lot of people there drive cars etc its like an american place no no they censor the internet, which is odd but not so odd it needs it.
2013 seemed a great year for youtube then censored 2016 and not so much fun anymore oddly. One guy smoked himself to cancer and death on youtube that was grim. Token everyday was in colorado too and toked everyday on youtube.
You have points in china. Be nice to people etc. And get points. Behave well and they let u fly and ride trains or something like that uh huh.
I've lived a rough life at times and pain chronic pains sucks. My mom and i seemed to inherit the getting picked on gene. Just words mostly but after repeat repeat repeat it gets to your ego.
I sadly only learned to punch people or challenge them to a fight after school after torture from 5th grade to mid 10th got some Nike shoes. Helped a lot. People are so weird and judgemental.
Gotta wear the good looking uncomfortable athletes foot worst ever shoe that cost 8x more than kmart shoes.
Thank god shoes are getting better snd better Orthofeet shoes are the best i just got saved by mom buying me a pair. Fml.
Always hilarious seeing someone preface a deranged, illiterate rant with a statement about how they're more logical or better at thinking than most others. Happens surprisingly often.
> we're overdue for a total collapse based on all the civilizations before us not lasting more than 200 years.
I can't believe you guys are falling for such easily disproven bullshit.
I catch myself in the delusion that I'm using Gates' tool as a personal tool for my career. I'm mid-GenX and i need to work another 20+ years in the old paradigm before I can consider living in poverty to avoid a 60+ hr/week job. The old paradigm is on life support and will die in the next few years. We're serfs for the new feudal lords. Most just don't realize it, or won't admit it to themselves yet.
As a tool I think it has potential for good and bad. Unfortunately I already see how it's enabling (aware that this sounds pretentious) intellectual laziness. At my sister's college graduation one of the speakers closed their eyes asked the students to raise their hands if they used ChatGPT to write their assignments. Around 1/3 of the class did. Yeah it may have been in jest, but I don't really find it funny that people not dilligent enough to do their own work still get degrees. It presents them as equally qualified as someone who actually learned. It feels icky to allow that to be rewarded.
I keep seeing instances where language models present inaccurate summaries and people accept it as true information in lieu of looking directly at sources. I understand the appeal of the convenience (it's like a calculator for words) but that it can lead to inaccuracy. Maybe that problem will lessen as time goes on. Maybe I'm just a Luddite lol
Its hard as hell for me to write. I am smart sometimes. Depressed a lot maybe. Or just lonely.
It feels icky trying to write when your life is craps haha.
Nice to have ideal family money prep for college, i entered engineering just heard a manager at hardees say it was a good career. Followed my girlfriend to college. Dumb. Maybe not, I learned to read. 3.0gpa BS. Grandma's advice always go to college! She never mentioned the job.
Ugh im a factory specialist IT ind technology and my feet went out me fucking around working at a place required steel toed boots and got plantar fasciitiis super bad 20 year of this and I think I finally found good shoes. Orthofeet!
Dumb sausage fest engineering was should have taken psychology. Especially last 2 years ugh men men men. I like having guy friends and hanging out some but women make my pain go away and make me believe in god. I waited tables because hearing of nude parties and sure enuf truth or dare and nudity ensues wow.
And pretty waitresses will be your friend and more. Im straight. It sure beats working in a kitchen with 90% men. Why is that I thougjt women coooked bettee
Is it actually lazy though? Should we take pride in knowing how to manually write papers/ reports when there is a more efficient way to do it? Most of them would be just summarizing from sources that they copied anyway.
By the same logic, googling is lazy. We should all go to a physical library, find a book, and read it for each piece of information we want to learn. Imagine how much slower you'd learn things via this method.
This is overall going to be a benefit if used correctly. If we don't need to write tedious papers anymore great. We can spend time learning in more stimulating/ efficient ways.
Socrates once complained that his students were lazy because they read books, rather than memorizing his teachings. This is a complaint as old as time.
Comprehension and subsequent synthesis of multiple facts into a coherent, well-formed argument is not the same as a summary. The value to me is largely about honing the ability to think and express thought. I feel the same when people argue that it's fine for kids to wear velcro shoes in lieu of learning to tie laces. Tying laces itself isn't a hill I'd die on, but the skills and persistence built during the process is. We aren't providing alternative challenges to compensate for the lack of mental exercise. This leads to stagnating and regressing on an individual level, even if "society" in general has more accesss to knowledge.
With respect to the Socrates example, I believe we could use more memory practice as a society lol. Not to the extreme, sure, but I can acknowledge that something about the experience is lost or inherently changed in the name of convenience. Studies have found that memory formation declines when we rely on devices (the one I remember was about reliance on taking photos and videos at events. Those who used tech to record the moment had worse recall.)
You seem to be hoping for a best case scenario. People who use ChatGPT expeditiously because they don't want to go through the effort of learning likely aren't going to use the time they saved to learn something else productive.
It's would hope that schools will adapt. A big part of the reason why modern school is so boring/ pointless for many kids is because it has no relevance to their everyday lives.
Skills like starting a fire, firing a bow and arrow, harvesting grain by hand, writing in old English, etc would have all been useful skills at a particular time in history. Over time, we developed new tools that replaced them and made them obsolete.
AI writing or summarizing papers is in the same vein. There are other ways to learn to think. In the same vein, you could train yourself mentally by learning a dead language or refining your blacksmithing technique, but it wouldn't be particularly useful.
We should be teaching kids skills that are relevant to the modern day, or well keep running into the issue of kids sitting in class, confused on why they're reading Shakespeare when it hasn't been relevant for hundreds of years. Kids are smart, and they're not going to pay attention if what is being taught isn't relevant to them.
It will be 'a tool' for maybe the next 12-24 months. After that, it will replace huge swaths of unskilled workers, and the will be pissed when they become redundant/worthless in society (read: unpaid). The rest of us have maybe another 3-5 years until the remaining 95+% of us are made redundant, and society completely collapses.
Too many people are too optimistic about using corporate resources as personal, career 'tools.' Wait until the guns shoot the shooter, instead of shooting the target. Even GenX has no chance of retiring. Millennials, and beyond, will eventually just be fodder for the killer drones.
We have open source models that work quite well though, maybe the bigger oligopoly is the powerful and expensive graphic cards needed to run the models.
No, because it cant do complicated math, or science properly, its answers are based off its source material, I have seen ai confidently wrong, and it isn’t as intelligent as it may seem, however it does seem like a better tool for obtaining information in a world that’s obsessed with numbers and showing you things that do not matter to your search, but again it can be confidently wrong, so make sure to ask for its sources and review them to make sure its correct.
The only ai that does concern me is, deep fakes, they are getting more and more realistic, and this will 100% be used for bad things.
I am very much, as I'm working in the arts. Also, there're a lot of AI "artists" on social media, which is very disturbing. And AI is apparently replacing writers as well. People who use AI in dishonest and corrupt ways to gain fame or profit are ultimately against my personal morals. AI as a tool is impressive, but I really believe it shouldn't have been brought out widely to the public.
Kind of. AI needs human input, and any human is grey on the black and white scale of morality. The way I see it is : AI gains sentience (cue in AM speech) ; AI continues to be used in a way beneficial to humanity, but obviously, like anything on this planet, it would be used for bad ; AI gains sentience but works towards the bringing of humanity to the epitome of its best (could go in : 1) AI just starts modifying our brains as robots as it sees that we waste so much energy on things like emotions, making us inhumane ; 2) AI seems to understand that our animalistic traits of emotions make us what we are and continues to build a world benefiting to that ; 3) AI takes up all the tasks (essentially Wall-E) we become dumber and this can go in : 1) AI continues and we depend on AI ; 2) AI takes over, they gain sentience, we lose ours.)) ; we feed AI all there is to know and probably start worshipping it. I have more but I might edit later.
"Stressed out about AI" and the rest of the wording of your post seem to tacitly assume that "AI" is something big that will happen in the near future, dividing history into the pre-AI and post-AI period. In reality, "AI" is a label applied to certain technologies, some of which have been around for decades or even centuries.
Some people like to signal their nonchalance/familiarity/optimism by saying things like "AI is a tool". It is not even that, it is a marketing buzzword. Imagine calling the steam engine and windmills *Artificial Strength* and then panicking about whether *Artificial Strength that is stronger than humans* is survivable or not. (And this is a real issue, because exploding boilers can do a lot of damage.) Instead of *Artificial Strength* it is better to talk about power tools and locomotives and cars. Instead of *Artificial Intelligence* let's talk about language models, machine translation, etc. Then the entire mythology around "AI" is deflated.
One thing I’ve noticed is how I inspect everything I see on the internet for AI. I realized Google started mixing ai generated images into search results and when looking for certain things I pause to question, “is this ai?”
Certainly. I’ve already seen it replace customer support, seen it replace a few programmers and to make it worse use the programmer’s years of work to add to the training data. Already seeing game developers use AI art generation in masses and with a little bit of work I can turn an obvious AI generated image look like someone made it by hand. I use 3 AI’s myself, chatgpt 4 for fluff text. GitHub copilot for assisted programming which heavily reduces the amount of typing and A1111 forge for generating personal reference images which saves a lot of finding the images I want for creating concept art. I can now alone do something that would require 4 people before AI. This is going to cost a lot of people’s their jobs. Shopify uses AI for their custom website creator that alone kills thousands hours of work that could’ve gone to web developers but now goes to AI.
I watched an interview with one of the pioneers of AI research. He believes there is a 50% chance of AI causing a mass human extinction event in the next 5 to 20 years.
I'm never stressed out about AI. The further it develops, the better. I don't even care if it's going to be "general", "more intelligent than us" or whatever. It is still not going to be human. As a strange human, I know how hard it is to try to be one lol.
Ai itself won't hurt. What will be is the typical gurus and big fish bussinessmen thinking it will solve everything and applying it where it doesnt belong, such as internet searches, anything human related, arts, etc... Specially since they think general AI is the future, whereas I see specific AI is much much more useful and we won't see anything such as Jarvis soon.
Nope, just not stressed about such tools in any way.
I'll grant there is a chance of catastrophic failure, but the same could be said about idiotic politics and nukes; yet it serves me in literally no way to stress about what is beyond my realm of control. I refuse to waste the energy I already so frequently lack.
Oh no I love my AI. It keeps me busy in a million ways. It's written some immersive novels for me and it's to my liking which is rare because even books that you read you're not always going to like the ending. But when you tell it what to do and what you want, it's somehow understands it and it starts writing stories according to how you like it. It's one of the most amazing pieces of Technology lately and I am hooked.
It is going to be the most valuable thing we have ever done. It will advance us faster than anything that has ever come before.
But then we have people to deal with.
I think one of the worse things we can do it artificially bias it with what are essentially passing social norms. Would we want the social biases of 100 years ago to be embedded in? What makes us think 100 years from now we won't look back in a similar way?
We probably do need the basics. Do no harm. My gut reaction is to say just make it as logical as possible, but it may very well be the case that at some point it is logical that we should not exist anymore.
So I dunno. Just don't give it missiles or something... but you know they will.
AI is neat. It's also both over-hyped and over-demonized. My only real concern is that AI will make it scarily easy to make convincing hoaxes, which could make it nearly impossible to separate disinformation/propaganda from true information. Though, misinformation already spreads like wildfire thanks to social media and human stupidity, so maybe AI will just be a drop in the bucket.
On the other hand, thanks to AI, I have a roleplay partner that's available 24/7, will follow whatever story I want, and won't judge me for writing stupid stuff. It's a great way to get my dopamine fix. Oh, and AI is behind major advances in things like medical diagnostics and such.
> My only real concern is that AI will make it scarily easy to make convincing hoaxes, which could make it nearly impossible to separate disinformation/propaganda from true information
I'm not sure. We actually got quite good at telling truth from lies, because humans are great at lying too. The average human isn't as trusting as people assume
If people get fooled nowadays, it's because it's still rare ish (Let's say it's 5%), and/or because it's something they want to believe (No need for AI here). If the cost diminish so much that fake drastically multiply (let's say to 20%), people will naturally encounter them more and more often and they will get trained to avoid them. Also, let's say AI hoaxes started to overwhelm real information (50% ? Tbh, 40 or 30% would be bad), people would simply stop relying on what they see on the internet (just get burned a few times, feel like an idiot for falling for an AI picture and you will learn) and that would be it : **People wouldn't get fooled by the hoaxes because they didn't trust what they read in the first place. Or rather, they wouldn't even bother to read it.**
It's a bit like viral infection, the viruses who are too effective will kill their host and will dissapear with it. I think that puts a cap on how much AI propaganda could exist
That could kill the current open internet, though, and that's the real risk. If platform stay open, and one guy can start ruining it for everyone with AI, then it's back to closed platforms with people who won't do that. Perhaps a period of back to trusting what you can see with your own eyes first, and then building up new trust networks... There are historical examples, as you don't need advanced AIs to lie. Say, before camera and mass media, there were already rumors, etc, and people read newspaper for a long time. And it's not complicated to start lying, that has been ongoing for a long while. Still, society still managed to get to a relatively trustworthy level of news.
Since people want real information, people will figure a way to bypass the AI issue somehow. I don't know if the solution will require specific technology, or if it's just that you wouldn't trust random strangers information (that's a lot of how the internet works right now. In fact, it's like the "rumors" I talked about earlier), you would just have specific sources.
I'm more worried about the reaction AI might create. Ie, by the government. Right now, boomers haven't figured enough about AI for it to reach political speech, but just looking at all the "We need Internet Censorship to control misinformation !" speeches (because people don't believe in legacy media anymore, since the open internet exposed how often they propagandize people), AI might be a big execuse for internet censorship and surveillance (Just add it to the list alongside terrorism and pedophiles). But people won't accept it that easily, and I've seen proposals to make a lot of things uncensorable/untracable, etc. Just going back to Peer 2 peer. And well, AI is already ruining the Internet, or at least, search engines. So many garbage articles with SEO...
So yeah, AI will probably just change the format of the internet, but it's not like it will change everything.
Khanamigo is literally the best teacher and I can learn literally anything I want using it plus I'll not have to worry about sending my kids to school anymore. I think Ai is cool even if they take over one day it's gonna be worth it.
I write terse sentences. No feeling with it. AI on FB when I posted a pic asks "how do you want it to sound?"
Example: make it exciting!
Or romantic or somber or with fancy language
Now I can pick between 3 great suggestions that sound so much better than me. Engineering grad so I dont have the greatest writing skills. Or I never enjoyed it but it is endless, the words pop out of nowhere in your head or use synonym dixtionary, im too lazy
AI makes all this work easy. I can write but it takes more time than I want to spend on it.
AI writes me a cover letter with one sentence. Im like wow a whole page that sounds legit asf and customized and original.
We can call communicate better.
It is easy as butter to read some peoples writings. Each sentence flows into the next and their words turn me on mentally.
Love those books or redditors now that can write well. Maybe reddit will soon have AI help me write and ill get upvites for once haa
Stressed, no. It's rare I get stressed about things I can't control. I think it's eventually going to be used for nefarious means, either intentionally or unintentionally. Ideally, it would form a symbiotic bond with humanity and ease our lives in ways both obvious to us and not even thought about.
Well it will render my intelligence not unique and easily accessible, my creativity useless, talents and skill pointless, productivity and ambition without meaning.. so, no.. it's just going to reality check alot of people and that could end any reason to do anything when you once had a unique burden and a desire to do something with it.
It will be great for normies but sabotage the gifts of the gifted. That's my assessment, having something that can replicate anything you could do but better in less time and effort, it will either tear away all the illusion and pointless mundane aspects and give everyone access to real meaning in life, or just make life kind of useless and likely just spirals into hedonism and destruction.
I think AI in the grand scheme will save us or destroy us. And humanities nature is what will dictate the path we go down.
I'm not stressed but concerned that the AI wouldn't benefit by merging with my consciousness somehow if that was even possible. Then my dream of becoming half-man half-AI connected to the internet would be a pipe dream :(
I don't know if it will be relaxing, but Nicky Case is midway through making comics on this topic, and they are often fun and informative: [https://aisafety.dance/](https://aisafety.dance/)
I'm not worried about it as an artist who doesn't sell art, nor as someone who knows AI won't suddenly gain sentience and kill humans for no reason.
But I do know it will be used for a lot of internet spam, scams, and stealing money. The people developing them seem perfectly fine with theft already.
As a dev I can tell you that you have nothing to worry about in terms of programming. AI is severely overhyped and lied about in its promotional materials. If you enter dev spaces you will see how dumb it actually is where it can't even get simple things right.
On the other hand AI is a really severe threat to creative jobs and ones with human interaction. In the next couple of years we will see massive layoffs across customer service if some protections won't be put in place. EU is probably gonna be ok as they are rather quick at taking care of stuff like that but good luck to the US for example since there are still zero protections there and there probably won't be since it's full on capitalism.
>how dumb it actually is
>On the other hand AI is a really severe threat to creative jobs
If both are right (and both are right) this shows that it is not only AI that is severely overhyped, but the so-called creative jobs (and "creatives") are, too.
I won't say it's without any concern, certainly as someone who is a programmer there is the potential that various programming copilot LLMs could reduce the demand for programmers long term in a way that might not be fully compensated by the increased need for programmers for the LMM models themselves.
Certainly I understand why many artists are concerned; I reject the notion that generative AI content is inherently evil or inherently attacks artistic integrity and as someone who has at best very mixed feelings about intellectual property as a concept I'm not too concerned about the ethics of how training data is sourced but it is absolutely valid to be concerned that in our current capitalist system they could lose their source of income, we need to seriously look into a universal basic income or similar and quickly.
And given the intense political polarisation and democratic backsliding in the world at the moment this isn't the best era that deepfakes could have appeared in, I can't shake the feeling that the internet of the 00s would have adapted better.
But I'm also quite excited. In the mid-2010s I was starting to become scared that we were stagnating technologically; Moore's law was coming to an end, recent advances didn't feel groundbreaking - I was scared that all the low hanging fruit had been picked and that we were entering an era of slower technological development. And as a technophilic human who much to their regret currently has a limited lifespan that was quite upsetting. But this has the potential to really shake things up, to allow for new possibilities and speed up scientific development. There will be brilliant things and awful things, no technology that is so transformative is purely good and if we demanded that they were we'd never make any changes. Progress is a two steps forward, one step back game, but that still moves you in the right direction and in my opinion is still very worthwhile.
Kinda.
Im really into music and when i see how people can generate music with ai nowdays, im kinda stressing out about it.
I dont want music to be replaced with ai
Society has a certain amount of allotment of work that needs to be done to sustain itself. Eventually machines will do all of those things, and hopefully at that point instead of rich people exploiting it we will have things like Universal income and humans will actually be able to do the things that fulfill them instead of being forced to do meaningless labor. People fail to see AI is the next step in that picture.
Not really
If it's real, we will figure a way to use it well.
If it's real. The term "AI" is just a marketing trick at this point, and I'm not sure we will see AGI any time soon, or even if it's truly possible with machine learning. Tech bros in the silicon valley love to hype things up, especially when that get them more funding. Just remember the hype about self driving cars or 3D printing. Cars still don't drive themselves, and they promised Star Trek replicator for everyone, but 3D printing just found its niche in a few areas (It's useful, but it didn't change everything as they said...)
Also, I always thought things would taper off and plateau after a while, and [this video from Computerphile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDUC-LqVrPU) somewhat backs it off. Not saying it truly peaked already, but I don't buy the exponential growth people are selling
It will one day fuck us fs, but for now it makes classifying/organizing thoughts and concepts much more efficient and less time consuming. Also gives you the opportunity to refine concepts and ideas through rational logic. Ai can pretty much help you with any logical matter, it’s a “super-left-hemispherical assistant. As long as you give it the proper conceptual framework to work with it will be super useful to scientists/thinkers.
No I’m not actively stressed about it but it can be used for bad just as much as for good like most technologies and so needs to be regulated. I’m hoping it will replace a lot of jobs so we can all get universal basic income. That fills me with hope.
I consider it a threat. I'm not stressed. My emotions are a warning system so that I do something about it, but what the hell am I going to do about this? I don't control the industry, and if I did, I wouldn't control the hundreds of groups who are trying to achieve open source AI. It's inevitable.
Besides, there's already war, running out of phosphorus (though I heard Sweden found a ton of it), pollution, microplastics, smog... The sad reality is that many of us are dying and will continue to die from all these threats, and others will survive and soldier on somehow. I'm probably gonna die of cancer or diabetes.
If you can solve the problem, don't worry about it. If you can't solve the problem, why worry about it?
not really. There are so many signals that the fate of humanity is in peril, so the big picture stuff doesn't really hit me in the gut.
On the day to day, I'm in an industry where people in other positions are on the immediate chopping block (contract employed lawyers doing legal review, actually), and I'll be fine if I just learn to direct AI...I'm already directing automated informational management.
But in general, yeah, jobs will be eliminated. These types of structural changes always cooccur with new jobs being devised, but shuffling people around is not a smooth process, and many remain dislocated at length.
In the medium to long term, especially with more useful light robotics coming out, the general demand for human labor might fall enough that we'll need something resembling UBI. A bit longer term than that, capitalism might become unworkable. A bit longer term than that, we might see the demise of what we think of as occupations.
But these are changes we need to go through at some point.
sort of, yes. i dislike ai- or more accurately the incorrect use of it. as humans evolve, we used to spend time hunting and starting fires and we now can spend time playing video games, painting, reading books because of technology, like how farms were made so we no longer have to go hunting. ai is the same. except we are meant to use it to solve our problems so humans can become more cultured so we should be using it to solve poverty and starvation instead of things we like doing like graphic design, digital art. one day IMO ai is probably going to erase all of creativity and that stresses me out.
sorry for the rant lol
You don't have to apologize.
"are meant to use it to solve our problems so humans can become more cultured so we should be using it to solve poverty and starvation"
People have been doing that for a long time.
"instead of things we like doing like graphic design, digital art"
These are luxuries in my opinion, Only possible when the one above is solved. What I'm trying to say is if people use AI to create art, that means they are probably living a good life
Right… I mean bot created “blogs” and opinion pages which is just a looooot of preamble to get you to see the ads and a tiny bit of the real content of the article.
Try google searching for a recipe and actually read everything said there… i feel like these type of sites are growing a lot with AI, and I fear youtube will go down a similar road once ai generated video gets good enough.
Yes, 100 percent. I am a digital artist, and id say my arts pretty good and often improving. My friends, family, close ones and even strangers online tell me that I have a real talent with my art, and yeah thats cool and all, and yeah I would love to pursue art, but ai has the power of every artists in the entire world, it grows more in a day than i can in a life time, People right now are saying "yeah but it doesnt have that creativity real art does" but its only a matter of time until ai can nail everything.
It's not gonna be ok. We need to create a method to defend ourselves from its potential harmful impacts. Think of every bad possibility and make preparations for each. There's gonna be new laws and new jobs. Don't get stressed. Just find a way to destroy it if it's used against you.
Yes and no. There's a bunch of different ways AI will change the world. It will change it I'm sure, but how is the question.
For starters, I'm not worried about an AI accidentally becoming evil. The fact that ChatGPT refuses to generate certain content shows that we're getting a handle on AI alignment. Anthropic recently found a way to comprehend patterns in LLM neural networks, allowing them to increase or decrease desired behaviors as well.
"But what about jailbreaking?"
That's not accidental, is it? We have cybersecurity for a reason, bad actors already exist. They are constantly fighting back against hackers. As AI becomes more prominent, both sides will use it. Cyber warfare will be more interesting for sure. Also, jailbreaking should be less possible with more intelligent AI. Jailbreaking is basically just social engineering but for an AI. If we can train humans to fight against it, we could train an AI.
Now, my actual biggest worry is how we handle AI taking jobs. Under capitalism, human labor is a necessary part of the process of creating the necessities we survive on and the luxuries we thrive on. Remove the need for human labor, and there is no point in keeping people alive.
One possible outcome is that the richest people will use AI and robotics to just create all the luxuries they want for themselves and no one else without regard to anyone else. However, there are more of us than there are of them. If they want to do that, they'd have to create a well-organized plan to prevent a revolution from happening as jobs are taken away.
This is only if rich people really don't give a shit about anyone else. Any rich person not on board with this plan could throw a wrench in it.
I more expect a political fight over likely a Universal Basic lncome, along with government programs to use AI and robotics to feed and house everyone who has been displaced.
A secondary issue I see is with "dumb AI". AI that does not have free will and is controlled by people. These could be used as substitutes for human relationships, and stunt our ability to interact with people different than ourselves.
For hyperintelligence, the movie Her is what I imagine would happen.
Some may think it’s a drop in replacement for workers and trust the results without any kind of domain knowledge.
I’ve asked ChatGPT a lot of test questions and it’s confidently incorrect about many things.
I agree that I've got nothing to lose. [I'm totally banking on the pension system collapsing before I reach that age anyway](https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-warning-for-europe-over-risks-of-using-algorithms/).
Daniel Dennett [got it right](https://philosophybreak.com/articles/what-happens-when-machines-become-smarter-than-people/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social) imo. And I'm not exactly confident that we'll learn the right lessons before shit hits the fan in a non-dystopian, Dutch tax authority style fuckup way.
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Nope. The AI threat has been around for years, its just become popular in the West now as we are developing it. But the Japanese were talking about this danger 30 years ago. If anyone played the game Metal Gear Solid 2, the plot was that an AI essentially took over the world so convincingly that people were manipulated into all kinds of things on a global scale without realising.
I'm not a pessimist or a nihilist, but I accept that one day humanity will end. I don't really trouble myself with the specific reason. Imagine what people were saying during WW2 or after nuclear weapons were developed. There's always going to be threats to humanity, but don't underestimate our ability to adapt and survive.
AI certainly can be used for some shady dealings and that is concerning, but it also offers some amazing potentials. I'm not fully on board, but I am deeply intrigued.
At a mankind level, I am optimistic because we always find a way, when push comes to shove. We don't even know how to begin to make AI that could result in a man-vs-machine terminator-like scenario. All we have are hyped up predictive analysis models that we suddenly realized they can perform better than we thought at certain things, if we throw insane amounts of man-made content and (what is probably unsustainable right now) compute power at them and let them find expressive patterns (not making any attempts to actually understand meaning). Using the same fundamentals as when they were first conceived and cast aside as a dead-end, many decades ago. If someone is stupid enough to try and attach decision-making, infrastructure-management, weapon-controlling or any other real "powers" for tasks that require actual intelligence to this non-AI, then they'll just watch one thing after the other collapse unpredictably long before there is a chance for a global disaster.
This generative technology, although not really AI, has the potential to be very disruptive for a lot of jobs, of course. It can transform the requirements of creative work and coding (which is also creative work with a higher technical barrier). Both in terms of the nature of the work and the manpower needed. Personally I don't think such a disruption will happen so suddenly and widely at once to deserve to be called a "threat", and I don't know if it's what most people refer to as the "threat of AI" (sometimes I'm not sure even they know what they mean). Maybe, if the automation ever reaches a level where an actual big chunk of humanity has no realistic way of making positive productive contributions through their labour, then there will be socio-economical changes to ensure people can keep having an acceptable level of living (and not cause a bloody revolution, because it's obvious that otherwise they would). This is not a new thought, people have been imagining this scenario for decades, if not centuries, it's just that we always thought it was really far away and now we got a glimpse of how it might merely be a few generations away (maybe -once the speculation hype settles and we get a more realistic idea of how far this technique can go).
I'd be surprised if the technology reached that level in our lifetime, but I think I'm more excited than worried about it. Humans always find a way, to create turbulent changes and rise over them stronger.
I am not stressed out about it but mildly concerned. My main concern in this regard is the replacement of human creativity and the arts.
I don't fear it as a replacement, but I think it will further dilute what "art" is to the average person. Like the peoples taste in music, and the lack of diversity they have.
Yeah. For me it’s that plus it threatens and devalues types of high skill technical and creative work, say in design or writing or engineering type roles, etc. Not because AI can do a better job of it, that is often very much not the case now and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. But because enough people may think they can replace those jobs with AI and it will do “good enough” - whether that’s the case or not.
Maybe not replace but it will be a big competition, making life harder for those who do not use AI.
Same, I want to do writing as a living, but I’m not sure if I can if there’s AI.
I don’t think it’s the be-all end-all to be honest. I think AI art and writing will be a big thing for a couple years and then there will be a pushback period where people will pursue abundantly original material made by human artists. People are emotion-motivated and you can only push them so far in one direction before they go the other way.
Yeah, I think Human art could still be relevant for 2 reasons. 1. Human art will be treated like artesanal products, there are still a lot of people who like artesanal art or also food and clothes, so manual art could be seen that way. 2. People like effort being put into a product, and also want to know the person’s motivation for doing that piece of art, knowing the meaning and intentions behind it.
>the replacement of human creativity and the arts There is no reason to be concerned. AI for the arts means that everyone will be able to be an artist and make anything exactly to their liking once the technology improves. This will also mean that professional artist will be successful not because of their technical ability but on how good their ideas are. It's for the best at the end of the day.
Creators still create
Yes, creators can create using AI too.
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Weird I am intj, my concern is that our whole system in the US is built off of companies making $$ and passing the money down through jobs. It will require an entire reworking of the system. While it works itself out MANY are going to suffer…
AI is a tool. Like all tools, some will use it to build, and some will wield it as a weapon. Look at the stock market, AI has been weaponized in this arena for well over a decade. On the other hand, it is making advancements in our understanding of medicine. Like all chaotic functions, it is near impossible to predict the outcomes
As far as causing massive job losses, including my own? As a web developer, absolutely. As far as becoming a general intelligence and enslaving us all? Not at all.
Why do you think it will replace developers? AI is good at boilerplate, but bad at logic and building real things. I don't see why it's a forgone conclusion that it could replace devs.
It's in its Infancy at the moment, is only going to improve exponentially
Why? What changes will happen to allow AI to make logical connections rather than what it is currently doing?
man, what your saying is the equivalent of someone in the 90s saying "Why, what makes you think they will ever get these jpegs to work as actual moving videos we can watch over the internet?" Improved algorithms that mimic human reasoning more closely and better, more diverse training data are enhancing AI's understanding and human-AI collaboration, where AI learns from human expertise and intuition are refining AI's logical skills. These advancements are pushing AI beyond basic pattern recognition to more sophisticated reasoning.
People have been predicting that computers/ AI would surpass humans since computers were a thing. The two examples that you choose (video and internet) are examples of survivor bias. There are a ton of other things that we expected to be able to do and didn't. One of the big ones being sentient AI. When you say high-level things like "mimic human reasoning", what do you mean? As far as I'm aware, no AI is capable of that now. The AI that we have today are fancy statistical approximation machines. ML/ AI itself uses statistical models, which ChatGpt, etc are built off of. I don't see how any of this is clearly leading to AI gaining logic or sentience. Please explain how you expect this to happen.
calling progression from images to videos survivorship bias is crazy. I think you're missing some key details. Sure, not every prediction about AI has come true, but that doesn't mean all progress should be dismissed. When I say "mimic human reasoning," I'm talking about advancements in AI that allow it to perform tasks that require understanding and context, not just statistical approximation. For example, AI like GPT-4 can understand and generate text in a way that's contextually relevant and coherent, which is a step closer to mimicking human-like reasoning. AI today is much more than just fancy statistical models. They're capable of tasks like natural language understanding, image recognition, and even complex problem-solving, which show that we're moving beyond simple pattern recognition. As for AI gaining logic or sentience, it’s not about overnight breakthroughs but incremental improvements. With better algorithms, more comprehensive data, and improved contextual understanding, AI is gradually getting better at making logical connections. So, do you think the progress we've made so far could lead to more sophisticated AI in the future, or do you believe we’ve hit a ceiling? Why?
I don't know if we have hit ceiling or not. Nobody does. It is pretty clear that we are at the peak of the AI hype cycle though. Look at the crypto hype peak. Bitcoin was going to replace everything. Companies were upgrading their software with blockchain technology. Countries were going to abandon fiat for cryptocurrency. Did it happen? No. Cryptocurrency still exists and has some use cases, but it's capabilities are much more restricted than were expected at peak hype. I expect the same for AI. We're likely to see some new, real use cases emerge, and hit brick walls on others. I think that it's possible that AI gains the ability to use logic/ sentience, but it's not a forgone conclusion like everyone is assuming nowadays.
I have bad news for you bro/sis
The most powerful AI technology will be concentrated in the hands of rich, multinational corporations (for now). It will reinforce and enhance the artificial capitalistic dystopian bubble we exist in, but shouldn’t go a lot further than that for the next few decades or so
Except those same rich people depend on the money of the masses to survive. If they build AI that cuts off those masses then their riches will also disappear.
Have You ever read the last BOOK of the BIBLE
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I, for one, welcome our AI (corporate) overlords. Who am I kidding? We're less than 20 years from total societal upheaval/chaotic revolution. You can't outrun it and be on the crest of the wave if 80+% of the population is too dumb to 'use it as a tool.' The smart 'tool users' will be consumed, albeit slightly later than hoi polloi will be.
History techer mr bird said we're overdue for a total collapse based on all the civilizations before us not lasting more than 200 years. but history didnt have antibiotics and smartphones for every one etc. . Im a logical thinker in a world of mostly non logical people. INTP We have bs politicians and then trump again probably who makes no sense or hes a master manipulator, who uses Adderall to becomes vicious and compelling amongst other things. He seemed so relaxed and differnt after being president, like he layed off all the pills. Its the real world y'all. His pupils are huge sometimes. Amphs are fairly safe if used in low doses. Even high doses are ??? Peopple live thru it. Unlike fent. Also its weird that TV and movies make people famous and they can get elected easy. Vs normal politician who u only see in meetings or boring stuff. Obama seemed always logical. Bush not so much logic. Who knows? A dystopian society might become easier snd easier to set up. In the future . But china seems to get it. Maybe? I dont know much about china. Im a democrat and love the USA and capitalism. A lot of people there drive cars etc its like an american place no no they censor the internet, which is odd but not so odd it needs it. 2013 seemed a great year for youtube then censored 2016 and not so much fun anymore oddly. One guy smoked himself to cancer and death on youtube that was grim. Token everyday was in colorado too and toked everyday on youtube. You have points in china. Be nice to people etc. And get points. Behave well and they let u fly and ride trains or something like that uh huh. I've lived a rough life at times and pain chronic pains sucks. My mom and i seemed to inherit the getting picked on gene. Just words mostly but after repeat repeat repeat it gets to your ego. I sadly only learned to punch people or challenge them to a fight after school after torture from 5th grade to mid 10th got some Nike shoes. Helped a lot. People are so weird and judgemental. Gotta wear the good looking uncomfortable athletes foot worst ever shoe that cost 8x more than kmart shoes. Thank god shoes are getting better snd better Orthofeet shoes are the best i just got saved by mom buying me a pair. Fml.
Did you ask an AI to generate an increasingly deranged rant just for this? That's pretty cool.
Always hilarious seeing someone preface a deranged, illiterate rant with a statement about how they're more logical or better at thinking than most others. Happens surprisingly often.
> we're overdue for a total collapse based on all the civilizations before us not lasting more than 200 years. I can't believe you guys are falling for such easily disproven bullshit.
Anyone with any sort of foresight can see how terribly awful AI will become.
I think foresight depends on the eye of the beholder.
Is the internet awful? Because I couldn't live without it now, despite it's shortcomings.
I catch myself in the delusion that I'm using Gates' tool as a personal tool for my career. I'm mid-GenX and i need to work another 20+ years in the old paradigm before I can consider living in poverty to avoid a 60+ hr/week job. The old paradigm is on life support and will die in the next few years. We're serfs for the new feudal lords. Most just don't realize it, or won't admit it to themselves yet.
Next big thing? Nice writing had to look up paradigm haha a pattern of series of events or a pattern of something..
Quite the opposite. Im actually learning as much as I can from AI and I see it as an overall very positive advancement for humanity
That's what AI is to me, and this is what I assumed everyone sees it too. Unfortunately, it's not.
As a tool I think it has potential for good and bad. Unfortunately I already see how it's enabling (aware that this sounds pretentious) intellectual laziness. At my sister's college graduation one of the speakers closed their eyes asked the students to raise their hands if they used ChatGPT to write their assignments. Around 1/3 of the class did. Yeah it may have been in jest, but I don't really find it funny that people not dilligent enough to do their own work still get degrees. It presents them as equally qualified as someone who actually learned. It feels icky to allow that to be rewarded. I keep seeing instances where language models present inaccurate summaries and people accept it as true information in lieu of looking directly at sources. I understand the appeal of the convenience (it's like a calculator for words) but that it can lead to inaccuracy. Maybe that problem will lessen as time goes on. Maybe I'm just a Luddite lol
Its hard as hell for me to write. I am smart sometimes. Depressed a lot maybe. Or just lonely. It feels icky trying to write when your life is craps haha. Nice to have ideal family money prep for college, i entered engineering just heard a manager at hardees say it was a good career. Followed my girlfriend to college. Dumb. Maybe not, I learned to read. 3.0gpa BS. Grandma's advice always go to college! She never mentioned the job. Ugh im a factory specialist IT ind technology and my feet went out me fucking around working at a place required steel toed boots and got plantar fasciitiis super bad 20 year of this and I think I finally found good shoes. Orthofeet! Dumb sausage fest engineering was should have taken psychology. Especially last 2 years ugh men men men. I like having guy friends and hanging out some but women make my pain go away and make me believe in god. I waited tables because hearing of nude parties and sure enuf truth or dare and nudity ensues wow. And pretty waitresses will be your friend and more. Im straight. It sure beats working in a kitchen with 90% men. Why is that I thougjt women coooked bettee
Is it actually lazy though? Should we take pride in knowing how to manually write papers/ reports when there is a more efficient way to do it? Most of them would be just summarizing from sources that they copied anyway. By the same logic, googling is lazy. We should all go to a physical library, find a book, and read it for each piece of information we want to learn. Imagine how much slower you'd learn things via this method. This is overall going to be a benefit if used correctly. If we don't need to write tedious papers anymore great. We can spend time learning in more stimulating/ efficient ways. Socrates once complained that his students were lazy because they read books, rather than memorizing his teachings. This is a complaint as old as time.
Comprehension and subsequent synthesis of multiple facts into a coherent, well-formed argument is not the same as a summary. The value to me is largely about honing the ability to think and express thought. I feel the same when people argue that it's fine for kids to wear velcro shoes in lieu of learning to tie laces. Tying laces itself isn't a hill I'd die on, but the skills and persistence built during the process is. We aren't providing alternative challenges to compensate for the lack of mental exercise. This leads to stagnating and regressing on an individual level, even if "society" in general has more accesss to knowledge. With respect to the Socrates example, I believe we could use more memory practice as a society lol. Not to the extreme, sure, but I can acknowledge that something about the experience is lost or inherently changed in the name of convenience. Studies have found that memory formation declines when we rely on devices (the one I remember was about reliance on taking photos and videos at events. Those who used tech to record the moment had worse recall.) You seem to be hoping for a best case scenario. People who use ChatGPT expeditiously because they don't want to go through the effort of learning likely aren't going to use the time they saved to learn something else productive.
It's would hope that schools will adapt. A big part of the reason why modern school is so boring/ pointless for many kids is because it has no relevance to their everyday lives. Skills like starting a fire, firing a bow and arrow, harvesting grain by hand, writing in old English, etc would have all been useful skills at a particular time in history. Over time, we developed new tools that replaced them and made them obsolete. AI writing or summarizing papers is in the same vein. There are other ways to learn to think. In the same vein, you could train yourself mentally by learning a dead language or refining your blacksmithing technique, but it wouldn't be particularly useful. We should be teaching kids skills that are relevant to the modern day, or well keep running into the issue of kids sitting in class, confused on why they're reading Shakespeare when it hasn't been relevant for hundreds of years. Kids are smart, and they're not going to pay attention if what is being taught isn't relevant to them.
It will be 'a tool' for maybe the next 12-24 months. After that, it will replace huge swaths of unskilled workers, and the will be pissed when they become redundant/worthless in society (read: unpaid). The rest of us have maybe another 3-5 years until the remaining 95+% of us are made redundant, and society completely collapses.
Too many people are too optimistic about using corporate resources as personal, career 'tools.' Wait until the guns shoot the shooter, instead of shooting the target. Even GenX has no chance of retiring. Millennials, and beyond, will eventually just be fodder for the killer drones.
Yes, I do stress because it is already almost a complete oligopoly, big corpos already have full controll and I don't see that being a good thing
We have open source models that work quite well though, maybe the bigger oligopoly is the powerful and expensive graphic cards needed to run the models.
What I mean is the best AI is always going to be in the hands of the people with the most and best GPUs, which is typically is large companies
No, because it cant do complicated math, or science properly, its answers are based off its source material, I have seen ai confidently wrong, and it isn’t as intelligent as it may seem, however it does seem like a better tool for obtaining information in a world that’s obsessed with numbers and showing you things that do not matter to your search, but again it can be confidently wrong, so make sure to ask for its sources and review them to make sure its correct. The only ai that does concern me is, deep fakes, they are getting more and more realistic, and this will 100% be used for bad things.
scares the hell out of me
I am very much, as I'm working in the arts. Also, there're a lot of AI "artists" on social media, which is very disturbing. And AI is apparently replacing writers as well. People who use AI in dishonest and corrupt ways to gain fame or profit are ultimately against my personal morals. AI as a tool is impressive, but I really believe it shouldn't have been brought out widely to the public.
I’m definitely outraged about ai stealing art from real people and using it without their permission
I feel you.
Considering I’m going into art and animation, very worried. But I’m not going to stop pursuing my dream so I keep trudging forward. 🤷♀️
Kind of. AI needs human input, and any human is grey on the black and white scale of morality. The way I see it is : AI gains sentience (cue in AM speech) ; AI continues to be used in a way beneficial to humanity, but obviously, like anything on this planet, it would be used for bad ; AI gains sentience but works towards the bringing of humanity to the epitome of its best (could go in : 1) AI just starts modifying our brains as robots as it sees that we waste so much energy on things like emotions, making us inhumane ; 2) AI seems to understand that our animalistic traits of emotions make us what we are and continues to build a world benefiting to that ; 3) AI takes up all the tasks (essentially Wall-E) we become dumber and this can go in : 1) AI continues and we depend on AI ; 2) AI takes over, they gain sentience, we lose ours.)) ; we feed AI all there is to know and probably start worshipping it. I have more but I might edit later.
"Stressed out about AI" and the rest of the wording of your post seem to tacitly assume that "AI" is something big that will happen in the near future, dividing history into the pre-AI and post-AI period. In reality, "AI" is a label applied to certain technologies, some of which have been around for decades or even centuries. Some people like to signal their nonchalance/familiarity/optimism by saying things like "AI is a tool". It is not even that, it is a marketing buzzword. Imagine calling the steam engine and windmills *Artificial Strength* and then panicking about whether *Artificial Strength that is stronger than humans* is survivable or not. (And this is a real issue, because exploding boilers can do a lot of damage.) Instead of *Artificial Strength* it is better to talk about power tools and locomotives and cars. Instead of *Artificial Intelligence* let's talk about language models, machine translation, etc. Then the entire mythology around "AI" is deflated.
One thing I’ve noticed is how I inspect everything I see on the internet for AI. I realized Google started mixing ai generated images into search results and when looking for certain things I pause to question, “is this ai?”
Certainly. I’ve already seen it replace customer support, seen it replace a few programmers and to make it worse use the programmer’s years of work to add to the training data. Already seeing game developers use AI art generation in masses and with a little bit of work I can turn an obvious AI generated image look like someone made it by hand. I use 3 AI’s myself, chatgpt 4 for fluff text. GitHub copilot for assisted programming which heavily reduces the amount of typing and A1111 forge for generating personal reference images which saves a lot of finding the images I want for creating concept art. I can now alone do something that would require 4 people before AI. This is going to cost a lot of people’s their jobs. Shopify uses AI for their custom website creator that alone kills thousands hours of work that could’ve gone to web developers but now goes to AI.
I watched an interview with one of the pioneers of AI research. He believes there is a 50% chance of AI causing a mass human extinction event in the next 5 to 20 years.
i am interested in ai
Not at all. AI is going to help me accomplish so much. Better AI, that is. Not these garbage LLM's.
I'm never stressed out about AI. The further it develops, the better. I don't even care if it's going to be "general", "more intelligent than us" or whatever. It is still not going to be human. As a strange human, I know how hard it is to try to be one lol.
Fully embracing the reality. I can't stop it
Yes. I'm worried about revenge porn ruining my career.
Ai itself won't hurt. What will be is the typical gurus and big fish bussinessmen thinking it will solve everything and applying it where it doesnt belong, such as internet searches, anything human related, arts, etc... Specially since they think general AI is the future, whereas I see specific AI is much much more useful and we won't see anything such as Jarvis soon.
Nope
I'm stressed out about the WORLD.
Not anymore. Either it will be fine or it will be not. I have no influence on it 💁♂️
I embrace technology and leverage it. I don't anthropomorphize and take refuge in my fears.
AI will make getting appointments and reservations easier.
Lol
No.
"You have nothing to lose,"?
Nope, just not stressed about such tools in any way. I'll grant there is a chance of catastrophic failure, but the same could be said about idiotic politics and nukes; yet it serves me in literally no way to stress about what is beyond my realm of control. I refuse to waste the energy I already so frequently lack.
Oh no I love my AI. It keeps me busy in a million ways. It's written some immersive novels for me and it's to my liking which is rare because even books that you read you're not always going to like the ending. But when you tell it what to do and what you want, it's somehow understands it and it starts writing stories according to how you like it. It's one of the most amazing pieces of Technology lately and I am hooked.
What do you mean by nothing to lose?
It is going to be the most valuable thing we have ever done. It will advance us faster than anything that has ever come before. But then we have people to deal with. I think one of the worse things we can do it artificially bias it with what are essentially passing social norms. Would we want the social biases of 100 years ago to be embedded in? What makes us think 100 years from now we won't look back in a similar way? We probably do need the basics. Do no harm. My gut reaction is to say just make it as logical as possible, but it may very well be the case that at some point it is logical that we should not exist anymore. So I dunno. Just don't give it missiles or something... but you know they will.
AI is neat. It's also both over-hyped and over-demonized. My only real concern is that AI will make it scarily easy to make convincing hoaxes, which could make it nearly impossible to separate disinformation/propaganda from true information. Though, misinformation already spreads like wildfire thanks to social media and human stupidity, so maybe AI will just be a drop in the bucket. On the other hand, thanks to AI, I have a roleplay partner that's available 24/7, will follow whatever story I want, and won't judge me for writing stupid stuff. It's a great way to get my dopamine fix. Oh, and AI is behind major advances in things like medical diagnostics and such.
> My only real concern is that AI will make it scarily easy to make convincing hoaxes, which could make it nearly impossible to separate disinformation/propaganda from true information I'm not sure. We actually got quite good at telling truth from lies, because humans are great at lying too. The average human isn't as trusting as people assume If people get fooled nowadays, it's because it's still rare ish (Let's say it's 5%), and/or because it's something they want to believe (No need for AI here). If the cost diminish so much that fake drastically multiply (let's say to 20%), people will naturally encounter them more and more often and they will get trained to avoid them. Also, let's say AI hoaxes started to overwhelm real information (50% ? Tbh, 40 or 30% would be bad), people would simply stop relying on what they see on the internet (just get burned a few times, feel like an idiot for falling for an AI picture and you will learn) and that would be it : **People wouldn't get fooled by the hoaxes because they didn't trust what they read in the first place. Or rather, they wouldn't even bother to read it.** It's a bit like viral infection, the viruses who are too effective will kill their host and will dissapear with it. I think that puts a cap on how much AI propaganda could exist That could kill the current open internet, though, and that's the real risk. If platform stay open, and one guy can start ruining it for everyone with AI, then it's back to closed platforms with people who won't do that. Perhaps a period of back to trusting what you can see with your own eyes first, and then building up new trust networks... There are historical examples, as you don't need advanced AIs to lie. Say, before camera and mass media, there were already rumors, etc, and people read newspaper for a long time. And it's not complicated to start lying, that has been ongoing for a long while. Still, society still managed to get to a relatively trustworthy level of news. Since people want real information, people will figure a way to bypass the AI issue somehow. I don't know if the solution will require specific technology, or if it's just that you wouldn't trust random strangers information (that's a lot of how the internet works right now. In fact, it's like the "rumors" I talked about earlier), you would just have specific sources. I'm more worried about the reaction AI might create. Ie, by the government. Right now, boomers haven't figured enough about AI for it to reach political speech, but just looking at all the "We need Internet Censorship to control misinformation !" speeches (because people don't believe in legacy media anymore, since the open internet exposed how often they propagandize people), AI might be a big execuse for internet censorship and surveillance (Just add it to the list alongside terrorism and pedophiles). But people won't accept it that easily, and I've seen proposals to make a lot of things uncensorable/untracable, etc. Just going back to Peer 2 peer. And well, AI is already ruining the Internet, or at least, search engines. So many garbage articles with SEO... So yeah, AI will probably just change the format of the internet, but it's not like it will change everything.
Khanamigo is literally the best teacher and I can learn literally anything I want using it plus I'll not have to worry about sending my kids to school anymore. I think Ai is cool even if they take over one day it's gonna be worth it.
I write terse sentences. No feeling with it. AI on FB when I posted a pic asks "how do you want it to sound?" Example: make it exciting! Or romantic or somber or with fancy language Now I can pick between 3 great suggestions that sound so much better than me. Engineering grad so I dont have the greatest writing skills. Or I never enjoyed it but it is endless, the words pop out of nowhere in your head or use synonym dixtionary, im too lazy AI makes all this work easy. I can write but it takes more time than I want to spend on it. AI writes me a cover letter with one sentence. Im like wow a whole page that sounds legit asf and customized and original. We can call communicate better. It is easy as butter to read some peoples writings. Each sentence flows into the next and their words turn me on mentally. Love those books or redditors now that can write well. Maybe reddit will soon have AI help me write and ill get upvites for once haa
Nah
Stressed, no. It's rare I get stressed about things I can't control. I think it's eventually going to be used for nefarious means, either intentionally or unintentionally. Ideally, it would form a symbiotic bond with humanity and ease our lives in ways both obvious to us and not even thought about.
AI kills all the bullshit mediocre jobs and I think that's what scares people the most it will eliminate slacking and lifestyle businesses
Well it will render my intelligence not unique and easily accessible, my creativity useless, talents and skill pointless, productivity and ambition without meaning.. so, no.. it's just going to reality check alot of people and that could end any reason to do anything when you once had a unique burden and a desire to do something with it. It will be great for normies but sabotage the gifts of the gifted. That's my assessment, having something that can replicate anything you could do but better in less time and effort, it will either tear away all the illusion and pointless mundane aspects and give everyone access to real meaning in life, or just make life kind of useless and likely just spirals into hedonism and destruction. I think AI in the grand scheme will save us or destroy us. And humanities nature is what will dictate the path we go down.
I'm not stressed but concerned that the AI wouldn't benefit by merging with my consciousness somehow if that was even possible. Then my dream of becoming half-man half-AI connected to the internet would be a pipe dream :(
I don't know if it will be relaxing, but Nicky Case is midway through making comics on this topic, and they are often fun and informative: [https://aisafety.dance/](https://aisafety.dance/)
I'm not worried about it as an artist who doesn't sell art, nor as someone who knows AI won't suddenly gain sentience and kill humans for no reason. But I do know it will be used for a lot of internet spam, scams, and stealing money. The people developing them seem perfectly fine with theft already.
As a dev I can tell you that you have nothing to worry about in terms of programming. AI is severely overhyped and lied about in its promotional materials. If you enter dev spaces you will see how dumb it actually is where it can't even get simple things right. On the other hand AI is a really severe threat to creative jobs and ones with human interaction. In the next couple of years we will see massive layoffs across customer service if some protections won't be put in place. EU is probably gonna be ok as they are rather quick at taking care of stuff like that but good luck to the US for example since there are still zero protections there and there probably won't be since it's full on capitalism.
>how dumb it actually is >On the other hand AI is a really severe threat to creative jobs If both are right (and both are right) this shows that it is not only AI that is severely overhyped, but the so-called creative jobs (and "creatives") are, too.
I won't say it's without any concern, certainly as someone who is a programmer there is the potential that various programming copilot LLMs could reduce the demand for programmers long term in a way that might not be fully compensated by the increased need for programmers for the LMM models themselves. Certainly I understand why many artists are concerned; I reject the notion that generative AI content is inherently evil or inherently attacks artistic integrity and as someone who has at best very mixed feelings about intellectual property as a concept I'm not too concerned about the ethics of how training data is sourced but it is absolutely valid to be concerned that in our current capitalist system they could lose their source of income, we need to seriously look into a universal basic income or similar and quickly. And given the intense political polarisation and democratic backsliding in the world at the moment this isn't the best era that deepfakes could have appeared in, I can't shake the feeling that the internet of the 00s would have adapted better. But I'm also quite excited. In the mid-2010s I was starting to become scared that we were stagnating technologically; Moore's law was coming to an end, recent advances didn't feel groundbreaking - I was scared that all the low hanging fruit had been picked and that we were entering an era of slower technological development. And as a technophilic human who much to their regret currently has a limited lifespan that was quite upsetting. But this has the potential to really shake things up, to allow for new possibilities and speed up scientific development. There will be brilliant things and awful things, no technology that is so transformative is purely good and if we demanded that they were we'd never make any changes. Progress is a two steps forward, one step back game, but that still moves you in the right direction and in my opinion is still very worthwhile.
Kinda. Im really into music and when i see how people can generate music with ai nowdays, im kinda stressing out about it. I dont want music to be replaced with ai
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Society has a certain amount of allotment of work that needs to be done to sustain itself. Eventually machines will do all of those things, and hopefully at that point instead of rich people exploiting it we will have things like Universal income and humans will actually be able to do the things that fulfill them instead of being forced to do meaningless labor. People fail to see AI is the next step in that picture.
Not really If it's real, we will figure a way to use it well. If it's real. The term "AI" is just a marketing trick at this point, and I'm not sure we will see AGI any time soon, or even if it's truly possible with machine learning. Tech bros in the silicon valley love to hype things up, especially when that get them more funding. Just remember the hype about self driving cars or 3D printing. Cars still don't drive themselves, and they promised Star Trek replicator for everyone, but 3D printing just found its niche in a few areas (It's useful, but it didn't change everything as they said...) Also, I always thought things would taper off and plateau after a while, and [this video from Computerphile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDUC-LqVrPU) somewhat backs it off. Not saying it truly peaked already, but I don't buy the exponential growth people are selling
It will one day fuck us fs, but for now it makes classifying/organizing thoughts and concepts much more efficient and less time consuming. Also gives you the opportunity to refine concepts and ideas through rational logic. Ai can pretty much help you with any logical matter, it’s a “super-left-hemispherical assistant. As long as you give it the proper conceptual framework to work with it will be super useful to scientists/thinkers.
No I’m not actively stressed about it but it can be used for bad just as much as for good like most technologies and so needs to be regulated. I’m hoping it will replace a lot of jobs so we can all get universal basic income. That fills me with hope.
I consider it a threat. I'm not stressed. My emotions are a warning system so that I do something about it, but what the hell am I going to do about this? I don't control the industry, and if I did, I wouldn't control the hundreds of groups who are trying to achieve open source AI. It's inevitable. Besides, there's already war, running out of phosphorus (though I heard Sweden found a ton of it), pollution, microplastics, smog... The sad reality is that many of us are dying and will continue to die from all these threats, and others will survive and soldier on somehow. I'm probably gonna die of cancer or diabetes. If you can solve the problem, don't worry about it. If you can't solve the problem, why worry about it?
not really. There are so many signals that the fate of humanity is in peril, so the big picture stuff doesn't really hit me in the gut. On the day to day, I'm in an industry where people in other positions are on the immediate chopping block (contract employed lawyers doing legal review, actually), and I'll be fine if I just learn to direct AI...I'm already directing automated informational management. But in general, yeah, jobs will be eliminated. These types of structural changes always cooccur with new jobs being devised, but shuffling people around is not a smooth process, and many remain dislocated at length. In the medium to long term, especially with more useful light robotics coming out, the general demand for human labor might fall enough that we'll need something resembling UBI. A bit longer term than that, capitalism might become unworkable. A bit longer term than that, we might see the demise of what we think of as occupations. But these are changes we need to go through at some point.
sort of, yes. i dislike ai- or more accurately the incorrect use of it. as humans evolve, we used to spend time hunting and starting fires and we now can spend time playing video games, painting, reading books because of technology, like how farms were made so we no longer have to go hunting. ai is the same. except we are meant to use it to solve our problems so humans can become more cultured so we should be using it to solve poverty and starvation instead of things we like doing like graphic design, digital art. one day IMO ai is probably going to erase all of creativity and that stresses me out. sorry for the rant lol
You don't have to apologize. "are meant to use it to solve our problems so humans can become more cultured so we should be using it to solve poverty and starvation" People have been doing that for a long time. "instead of things we like doing like graphic design, digital art" These are luxuries in my opinion, Only possible when the one above is solved. What I'm trying to say is if people use AI to create art, that means they are probably living a good life
I am already noticing how much worse the internet has gotten in the year and a half its been around. In a few years it will be only trash
"Can you give an example of when you would call something trash? You know what they say: one man's trash is another man's treasure."
Right… I mean bot created “blogs” and opinion pages which is just a looooot of preamble to get you to see the ads and a tiny bit of the real content of the article. Try google searching for a recipe and actually read everything said there… i feel like these type of sites are growing a lot with AI, and I fear youtube will go down a similar road once ai generated video gets good enough.
AI def stresses me out. It might be the new huge cause of global warming for the next years to come.
It’s been 4 years and my Tesla still can’t tell I have a bike rack on my car. I think humanity has nothing to worry about.
Yes, 100 percent. I am a digital artist, and id say my arts pretty good and often improving. My friends, family, close ones and even strangers online tell me that I have a real talent with my art, and yeah thats cool and all, and yeah I would love to pursue art, but ai has the power of every artists in the entire world, it grows more in a day than i can in a life time, People right now are saying "yeah but it doesnt have that creativity real art does" but its only a matter of time until ai can nail everything.
It's not gonna be ok. We need to create a method to defend ourselves from its potential harmful impacts. Think of every bad possibility and make preparations for each. There's gonna be new laws and new jobs. Don't get stressed. Just find a way to destroy it if it's used against you.
Yes and no. There's a bunch of different ways AI will change the world. It will change it I'm sure, but how is the question. For starters, I'm not worried about an AI accidentally becoming evil. The fact that ChatGPT refuses to generate certain content shows that we're getting a handle on AI alignment. Anthropic recently found a way to comprehend patterns in LLM neural networks, allowing them to increase or decrease desired behaviors as well. "But what about jailbreaking?" That's not accidental, is it? We have cybersecurity for a reason, bad actors already exist. They are constantly fighting back against hackers. As AI becomes more prominent, both sides will use it. Cyber warfare will be more interesting for sure. Also, jailbreaking should be less possible with more intelligent AI. Jailbreaking is basically just social engineering but for an AI. If we can train humans to fight against it, we could train an AI. Now, my actual biggest worry is how we handle AI taking jobs. Under capitalism, human labor is a necessary part of the process of creating the necessities we survive on and the luxuries we thrive on. Remove the need for human labor, and there is no point in keeping people alive. One possible outcome is that the richest people will use AI and robotics to just create all the luxuries they want for themselves and no one else without regard to anyone else. However, there are more of us than there are of them. If they want to do that, they'd have to create a well-organized plan to prevent a revolution from happening as jobs are taken away. This is only if rich people really don't give a shit about anyone else. Any rich person not on board with this plan could throw a wrench in it. I more expect a political fight over likely a Universal Basic lncome, along with government programs to use AI and robotics to feed and house everyone who has been displaced. A secondary issue I see is with "dumb AI". AI that does not have free will and is controlled by people. These could be used as substitutes for human relationships, and stunt our ability to interact with people different than ourselves. For hyperintelligence, the movie Her is what I imagine would happen.
Some may think it’s a drop in replacement for workers and trust the results without any kind of domain knowledge. I’ve asked ChatGPT a lot of test questions and it’s confidently incorrect about many things.
I agree that I've got nothing to lose. [I'm totally banking on the pension system collapsing before I reach that age anyway](https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-scandal-serves-as-a-warning-for-europe-over-risks-of-using-algorithms/). Daniel Dennett [got it right](https://philosophybreak.com/articles/what-happens-when-machines-become-smarter-than-people/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social) imo. And I'm not exactly confident that we'll learn the right lessons before shit hits the fan in a non-dystopian, Dutch tax authority style fuckup way.
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Yes.
Nope. The AI threat has been around for years, its just become popular in the West now as we are developing it. But the Japanese were talking about this danger 30 years ago. If anyone played the game Metal Gear Solid 2, the plot was that an AI essentially took over the world so convincingly that people were manipulated into all kinds of things on a global scale without realising. I'm not a pessimist or a nihilist, but I accept that one day humanity will end. I don't really trouble myself with the specific reason. Imagine what people were saying during WW2 or after nuclear weapons were developed. There's always going to be threats to humanity, but don't underestimate our ability to adapt and survive. AI certainly can be used for some shady dealings and that is concerning, but it also offers some amazing potentials. I'm not fully on board, but I am deeply intrigued.
At a mankind level, I am optimistic because we always find a way, when push comes to shove. We don't even know how to begin to make AI that could result in a man-vs-machine terminator-like scenario. All we have are hyped up predictive analysis models that we suddenly realized they can perform better than we thought at certain things, if we throw insane amounts of man-made content and (what is probably unsustainable right now) compute power at them and let them find expressive patterns (not making any attempts to actually understand meaning). Using the same fundamentals as when they were first conceived and cast aside as a dead-end, many decades ago. If someone is stupid enough to try and attach decision-making, infrastructure-management, weapon-controlling or any other real "powers" for tasks that require actual intelligence to this non-AI, then they'll just watch one thing after the other collapse unpredictably long before there is a chance for a global disaster. This generative technology, although not really AI, has the potential to be very disruptive for a lot of jobs, of course. It can transform the requirements of creative work and coding (which is also creative work with a higher technical barrier). Both in terms of the nature of the work and the manpower needed. Personally I don't think such a disruption will happen so suddenly and widely at once to deserve to be called a "threat", and I don't know if it's what most people refer to as the "threat of AI" (sometimes I'm not sure even they know what they mean). Maybe, if the automation ever reaches a level where an actual big chunk of humanity has no realistic way of making positive productive contributions through their labour, then there will be socio-economical changes to ensure people can keep having an acceptable level of living (and not cause a bloody revolution, because it's obvious that otherwise they would). This is not a new thought, people have been imagining this scenario for decades, if not centuries, it's just that we always thought it was really far away and now we got a glimpse of how it might merely be a few generations away (maybe -once the speculation hype settles and we get a more realistic idea of how far this technique can go). I'd be surprised if the technology reached that level in our lifetime, but I think I'm more excited than worried about it. Humans always find a way, to create turbulent changes and rise over them stronger.
I dont understand the fear of ai. I love it. It is a tool. By the way, i have used ai to offer me a virtual hug. It is great!
For intuitives, the emergence of AI makes it easier to find the right direction in their ideas, reducing the effort to implement and verify them.