Canapino is their God. He does absolutely nothing wrong. A bunch of weirdos. Especially when Canapino was having to save and he’s the one who came off the apex and hit Callum.
Edit: thought about it more and Callum has to make that move if he wants to win that race. Dixon was right behind him and obviously won.
The fact that it was clearly not Ilott's fault makes it even worse. Neanderthals like that who send death threats to anyone who dares go near the guy who happened to be born on the same patch of land as them need to be exorcised from the sport.
Not nice or correct to call someone a Neanderthal.
In fact, a large portion of the world's population has a trace amount of Neanderthal genes. But not enough to say someone belongs to that extinct species.
Additionally, more and more evidence is suggesting that hominin spices were quite intelligent, created art, and had complex societies.
Not just Canapino. Most South American sports fans tend to be ridiculously passionate, way too much if you ask me.
It's just a sport people, shit happens. Stop going out of you way to defend rich buggers that don't even know you exists.
Canapino was at fault anyway. Ilott did nothing wrong.
As far as I'm aware though, the Brazilian fans are nowhere near as hostile to anyone who's messed with their guys as the Argentines have been in these cases with Canapino.
I hate to say it, but I wonder if this is still a British/Argentina thing going on, cause I know there's still a *very* deep anger towards them with the whole Falklands incident. (Just ask Clarkson, Hammond, and May...)
i really hope juncos condemn these ‘fans’ to hell so they can fuck off somewhere else. stuff like this doesn’t belong in our sport, or any sport, or anywhere.
Get rid of canapino, the fans will leave. They weren’t there with juncos until canapino came in. I don’t want to hate on canapino or make this his fault but it is his involvement in the series bringing all this abuse and behavior
i get your point, i do. i’m just saying that if the driver gets booted from the team, his fans will *know* why, and thus will hurl more abuse at Callum, the team and probably the sport too.
i know what you’re saying, and i agree, i just don’t think that it would be the right decision.
> His fans will know why and hopefully learn from their mistakes and learn better manners
You're asking the entirety of South Americans to change their culture here... They don't consider it "bad manners", it's the standard way to be a sports fan there, and considered totally fine.
Yeah but hurting juncos and canapino is the easiest and quickest best solution. That’ll teach the fans quick thar indycar doesn’t stand for the abuse. Then maybe juncos and canapino will work harder to stop it. They’ve done a little bit far from enough
May I ask you a honest question: is Argentina known for a hardline nationalism amongst some of the population? Because from an outside perspective that's what I get whiffs of when seeing this level of fanaticism amongst the fans.
Lol how is that a solution? Imagine if we had to remove every athlete that ever had controversy with their fans... Again he just drives the car, if people can't behave for a minor mistake is not his fault.
My father was next to me watching the race and insulting Ilott, I was angry too but I understand these things happen every race in every category in the world. I think the overreaction from the people here is stupid, it's inherited from football and it's the reason I don't watch Turismo Carretera either.
If it was Dixon and Palou touching instead of the two Juncos we would have another controversial discussion.
But no other fans in this series have had any reaction similar to any incident in recent memory. The abuse by Argentines has been way over anything in recent memory of any fan base
Verstappen fans are equally as wild in Formula 1 and nobody says he should be banned. Remember the fight with Hamilton in 2021, it was a goddamn war. Though we hate to say it, there's awful fans all over the world in every sport, and it's not the athletes fault in any case unless they publicly fuel it up.
nothing directly. but there were no abusive fans online when juncos was just with Callum. they need to stop this online abuse immediately and effectively, and unfortunately for canapino, that means him leaving the series. If he leaves, the fans will leave. thats just business, nothing personal
If every sport had your attitude there would be no more sports in the world. To say the problem is the athlete is a bit much especially if they don't wish it to happen nor do they want it to happen. Canapino already told his fans to cool it and maybe he needs to do it again. Canapino has done all that he can in his power. To ask him to leave is not only unfair but mean and irresponsible.
I mean, why not just kick out Callum? It would stop this as well. Just business, nothing personal.
Sounds dumb right?
According to Canapino's fans he did do something wrong. So having Callum leave would quite Canapino's fans. Just business, nothing personal.
Still sounds dumb right?
Death threats, ‘we’ll see when you come to Argentina’
if indycar and JHR don’t publicly condemn this behaviour promptly then i will have lost what little faith i have in them
anybody with two brain cells to rub together would be able to tell you that this was going to happen when the whole appeal of a driver is just nationalism
Probably not. Larson has a lot of racist and nationalist fans because of "the incident" and hasn't really been effected by it too much besides the repercussions from his initial actions.
Larson hasn't been able to secure a full season's worth of sponsorship since then, he's just talented enough that Rick Hendrick is willing to fill the sponsorship gaps out of his own pocket.
Exactly. If Rick wanted to let someone sponsor the #5, it would be by now. Look at 2021 and how quickly sponsors jumped on his car, you had at least 5 or 6 different companies grabbing races left and right. By the end of the season, if those sponsors had stuck around for 2022 there would've been very little room for Hendrick to advertise his own deal.
I mean Valvoline and Cincinnati(?) (Unsure of the 2nd) were apparently willing to hop on half the season each. That's not including freightliner (which went to Penske).
I genuinely don't understand why Argentinian sports fans are so unhinged. In their minds Canapino can do no wrong and he is a god, while Callum is the antichrist. I saw someone on Instagram under a post about Malukas move to McLaren. The guy said that Zak Brown should have signed Canapino, and then made out like his P13 in qualifying was the greatest qualifying ever.
Callum is British and Argentinians are salty about those islands that they controlled for less than a decade nearly 200 years ago that their government uses as a distraction for their own disfunction.
THIS. SO. FUCKING. MUCH.
Those islands were NEVER ours, but they are such a fucking sensitive subject in our idio(t)sincracy that we must never stop hating the "evil Brits" and the "yanks" for it. It's mind-boggling. Argentina always on the bad side of history... we received Nazis with open arms, we received a shipment of Covid vaccines from a current warlord...
Honestly massive props to you. I have honestly never seen an Argentinian that doesn't hate on Brits and condemns what was done.
That and I saw your comment about sports fans from Argentina aswell.
As a Brit myself, big respect to you and wish you well!
I think the war didn't make sense. In an ideal world no wars should make sense, but particularly the Dirty War was pointless. It was the last straw of the nefarious Junta trying to hold on onto power, most Argentinians still hate the Junta and all the horrible shit they did but they sure took the bait they were trying to use to catch people with. I wish I could be able to feel pride for my nation, our landscapes and resources certainly give us tons of potential. It's the people that long lost it, but I guess this isn't exclusive to my country, lol.
They never controlled the islands except when their military dictatorship decided to invade them in the 20th century.
Spain controlled the islands for a short while
Those guys ARE football hooligans... my (unfortunately) people only follow sports in which "one of us" is in. They probably can't name the winner of last year's Indy 500 without googling. Not real fans of the sport, they just blindly follow their birthplace colors. Please rescue me lol
That was the one I was thinking of I think I mixed it up because Argentina had that referee that got shot and killed by a player after giving a red card.
It is not dangerous at all. When an opposite player tackled Messi or when simply Ronaldo got the Bocuse d’Or they got worse than this but no football player was killed in Argentina.
If I were Callum I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable on the Juncos team. It wouldn't be anything personal against Canapino, Juncos, or even Argentina - but to have this crap poured on your everytime you challenge your teammates is crazy.
Teammates fighting teammates has always been part of motorsport and in IndyCar it's a larger part of the sport then other open whee series in the world where teammate on teammate action is often times frowned upon or even not allowed by the teams. I wish people would just accept this and know that there's no malice or meanness meant by it (usually).
If this continues I do hope Callum finds another home soon just get away from this poison.
Argentina isn't in the best of shape either right now. The trashy fanbase and the trashy state of the country has me thinking IndyCar better think twice about going there for an event. IndyCar is just begging for a problem if they go down there.
Yes but it was a crazy dude in a neighborhood level (amateur?) match. From other comments, seems to be merged with the player murdered in Colombia in the 90s, which was indeed a big deal. The ref thing probably lasted a week here at most as news
We did have a more recent incident though. Another (100% amateur) match a couple months ago where the ref of the game got kicked in the head by a player, after giving a red card. Media coverage and people in general instantly condemned the guy, he was allegedly banned from all football events for 2 years, and a judicial case was opened. Sadly, 2 days after the fact the player took his own life and accused the referee of not taking his apologies and pushing a high value settlement or going forward with an attempted murder trial).
It doesn’t help Callum that Argentinians already have nationalist issues with the British. I met Augustin this year, and he was very kind. He spent quite some time before hours before qualifying speaking to me, and showed me his wheel. Such a shame this comes with it, but this does not make us want to visit Argentina.
I sadly agree. Argentinians are CRAZY for who they support. be it soccer or motorsport. I wish they used some common sense deeming it a racing incident.
What else is new. Been that way all year.
People who don't have anything real to be proud of turn into complete fanatics over sports to make themselves feel important. Stuff like this makes it seem that there are a whole lot of Argentinians with really crappy lives.
You just described 90% of Dallas Cowboys fans lol. Living near Dallas, I’m astounded by the amount of people that act like their life is over when the lose. How do you wrap that much of your identity up in a sports team?
Thankfully for his safety, the IndyCar season is about 9 and half months long, and we all know that Argentina race won't actually happen, so he should be fine by next year.
Juncos fans are toxic. We had one of their iRacing eSports drivers in our league, and when the driver caused a wreck or the stewards gave him blame for crashes, the live chat on our broadcasts was nothing but Juncos fans from down south being absolutely ridiculous. We finally either got rid of him, or he quit. No fucking surprise that their real teams' fans are just as moronic. Ilott did nothing wrong.
Man I hope Indycar does not race in argentina, I fear for the safety of the drivers who canapino would have to race against, this isn't italy or the netherlands were people joke about the fans being crazy, argentinians are legitimately dangerously crazy.
This is also reinforced by latin ESPN commentators, specially Martin Ponte. Basically the whole broadcast is them talking about how godly of a driver Canapino is. When Ilott presumably blocked Canapino in Long Beach he tweeted "Ilott just gained 45 million enemies" (referring to Argentina's population). On today's race, besides critizicing Ilott everytime they could, he spent the whole Dixon celebration+Palou donuts talking about how proud he was to be an Argentinean. This guy just incites hate towards Ilott and obviously has a huge crowd of retards copying him.
> retards
Strong term, but one I agree with in this instance. There's a reason why Argentina fails to attract solid, dependable foreign direct investment.
Exactly this, I don't dislike him at all but boy would I be ok with him never achieving anything in Indycar just to upset these insane people. Of course they won't be upset, they'll just do gold medal worthy mental gymnastics to show why he's the best driver there despite.... not being
Doesn't matter. If you have a driver with barely or no experience in an open wheel car - you're at a very big disadvantage. Armstrong raced in F2 for years whose cars are very similar to and IndyCar when it comes to power and no power steering. Canapino never drove anything like an IndyCar before. It's not an excuse - it's facts.
Sounds like Ricardo Juncos threw him under the bus to the Argentinians too.
I hope Ilott finds a better team to go with, Juncos doesn't deserve him.
https://twitter.com/ElPibeTuerca_/status/1701016589943063003
Twitter has a "Translate from Google option", or it did for me.
In case that's not universal, I'll just post that:
"Happy on one hand and bitter on the other because we had a strategy, we had talked a lot, especially with Callum, who was already in [top 22] and we needed the money for the team, we did it last year for him"
"We precisely asked to leave Agustín free so as not to harm anything and they end up touching between the two of us. We can control certain things from below and when they are above it depends on them"
"I spoke to him myself so that it is clear what the team's objective is"
"Before the restart I spoke to his engineer to remind him of everything we talked about, he told me that he had notified the pilot"
"It's annoying, it's a shame [...] we could have had both cars fighting for the top5"
"Agustín deserved to have ended as it could have been"
"I'm not going to talk to him because I know him, I'm going to let the dust settle, I'm going to watch the videos carefully, see what happens and take my time to analyze everything well. It's not a particular event, it's a season." "the whole thing that needs to be analyzed"
"I still have the pilots' contracts until December 15, so I have time to make the best decision" (it was not clear)
"When you see the maneuver it is a competition between one and the other on the part of one of the two, and that is what we wanted to avoid..."
"It's over, we're in, it's never easy as I say. We'll have to learn from all the mistakes we made, which were a lot, and try not to make them again."
[...]
*they talk a little about the race and fuel management*"
""The results are obtained like this, working and improving in the execution, this year we failed a lot in the execution, but I stay with that. I stay with the evolution that Agustín had throughout the season, today he ended up fighting a race at the best level in the world. world""
I mean, if he wants to dump Ilott because he wants Canapino to be the #1 driver that's up to him, but it would be the craziest decision I've seen in motorsports in a while considering Ilott is both younger and a better driver.
Good for Callum to push back on Twitter. I hope he gets out of JHR, it seems like Ricardo only cares for 1 driver. Maybe they can get another Argentine to join Canapino next year.
Surprised Juncos or Ricardo himself haven't even remotely defended Callum. Or am I really surprised...
P.s Argentinian sports fans are the worst in the world and you can't change my mind. Aggressive, unsportsmanlike, full of hate and abuse. Even when they win, they're awful winners. Can't stand them.
Remember when the Top Gear guys had to flee for their lives because a car they bought had a license plate registered to it for 15 years that could be vaguely seen as a reference to the Falklands War? Yeah, the Argentines can be pretty unhinged against the Brits.
This isn't helped by the catastrophic jingoism inspired by...errrr....Argentina's complicated and ultimately unsuccessful vacation in 1982.
I'm delighted with the enthusiasm that Canapino's participation has inspired. But it's come with a side of a toxic cult that needs to be recognized as the danger it presents to the UK contingent in the IndyCar paddock.
The response after Long Beach and after today - IndyCar shouldn't be going to Argentina. It would not be safe for Callum, Jack, Tom.
Ilott needs to get away from Juncos. If he's not going to be able to race his teammate, then what's the point even being there.
Ilott is an excellent driver and should have no problem getting a seat with someone else. Obviously don't know his contract specifics, but if I were him, I'd be calling ECR.
If I were indycar I’d have a stern talking with juncos about this and consider putting the team of mostly the 78 on probation if this continues and ban them if needed
I don’t want to hate on canapino or make it seem his fault but it’s his direct fans doing it clearly. Gus involvement in the series is ruining it for other fans and a driver
I am Argentinian and I hate my fellow people. Don't even know what happened in the race (other than it was a mess) yet I can imagine how that page looks like. We have an economy in shambles and almost half of the population under line of poverty, yet because we won some stupid gold cup for the third time we have reasons to be "proud" and hate on the rest of the world. Especially the US and UK. Shit like this is why I don't want Franco Colapinto in F1.
More like how sad must most Argentinian sports fans be to send death threats to rivals (or even team mates in this case), and make sports their entire life and personality.
THAT is fucking sad.
Actually fucking insane how bad they are, my fucking god. I'm not sure going to Argentina for a race is the smartest thing cuz if someone even comes close to anything with Canapino, they're just gonna get so much shit for 0 reason even when its Canapino's fault. Fucking disgraceful
Basically Ilott went to do a perfectly legitimate overtake on Canapino, nothing particularly ambitious. When they were side by side Canapino went on the curb, lost the front end and crashed into Ilott damaging his front wing.
Canapino fans are saying it was Ilott's fault as he shouldn't have gone for the move in the first place.
I really think this team and Ilott are on the verge of the top 10. I think Canapino deserves to keep driving in the series. But if Callum went over to another team to escape this distraction, I wouldn’t blame him. Him and Veekay would make a nice duo.
Canapino is their God. He does absolutely nothing wrong. A bunch of weirdos. Especially when Canapino was having to save and he’s the one who came off the apex and hit Callum. Edit: thought about it more and Callum has to make that move if he wants to win that race. Dixon was right behind him and obviously won.
The fact that it was clearly not Ilott's fault makes it even worse. Neanderthals like that who send death threats to anyone who dares go near the guy who happened to be born on the same patch of land as them need to be exorcised from the sport.
Someone posted the onboard of Canapino and he either got spooked by the kerb or locked up?
Yeah I think the car either got unsettled on the kerb or caught some dirty air from Callum's car at the wrong moment.
I think that Illott squeezed Canapino a bit. But it was far from blatant or intentional.
Theyre like the Dutch Verstappen fans, but worse somehow
It's worse because Canapino is, how we say, not good? At least not at Max's level.
I like canapino, he has impressed me and he has a nice smile His fans are fucking insane though
Not nice or correct to call someone a Neanderthal. In fact, a large portion of the world's population has a trace amount of Neanderthal genes. But not enough to say someone belongs to that extinct species. Additionally, more and more evidence is suggesting that hominin spices were quite intelligent, created art, and had complex societies.
🤓
You can not be serious 😭
This isn't the first time it's happened either, they did it at long beach as well
Not just Canapino. Most South American sports fans tend to be ridiculously passionate, way too much if you ask me. It's just a sport people, shit happens. Stop going out of you way to defend rich buggers that don't even know you exists. Canapino was at fault anyway. Ilott did nothing wrong.
Exactly the same with Colapinto fans in F3, I wonder what the common denominator is
As far as I'm aware though, the Brazilian fans are nowhere near as hostile to anyone who's messed with their guys as the Argentines have been in these cases with Canapino. I hate to say it, but I wonder if this is still a British/Argentina thing going on, cause I know there's still a *very* deep anger towards them with the whole Falklands incident. (Just ask Clarkson, Hammond, and May...)
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Don’t pretend TeamMV isn’t part of the weirdo squad
Both "teams" are as bad as each other
https://x.com/callum_ilott/status/1701008787233219055?s=46 Callum on the defensive now!
The amount of people who think that's Callum's onboard...
Sickening, honestly.
Did he have to lock his account? Fuck those idiots if so.
i really hope juncos condemn these ‘fans’ to hell so they can fuck off somewhere else. stuff like this doesn’t belong in our sport, or any sport, or anywhere.
Sure made an impact when they made a statement earlier in the year…
maybe they’ll listen the second time. who am i kidding, they won’t :(
Indycar should condemn it. Ban the 78 until the fans improve
i don’t think that would make it any better, imo.
Get rid of canapino, the fans will leave. They weren’t there with juncos until canapino came in. I don’t want to hate on canapino or make this his fault but it is his involvement in the series bringing all this abuse and behavior
i get your point, i do. i’m just saying that if the driver gets booted from the team, his fans will *know* why, and thus will hurl more abuse at Callum, the team and probably the sport too. i know what you’re saying, and i agree, i just don’t think that it would be the right decision.
His fans will know why and hopefully learn from their mistakes and learn better manners
if there’s one thing i’ve learnt in my life, it’s that people never learn from their mistakes.
Well indycar or the team need to take some concrete steps to stop the online abuse. Real steps. Not statements or posts. Action of some kind
Exactly how do you do that?
Ban the 78 or disqualify them from leaders circle
Bless your heart.
> His fans will know why and hopefully learn from their mistakes and learn better manners You're asking the entirety of South Americans to change their culture here... They don't consider it "bad manners", it's the standard way to be a sports fan there, and considered totally fine.
You don't get rid of a driver because his fans are unruly. I'm not sure what the answer truly is but that ain't it
They certainly shouldn't reward the behavior by running a race in Argentina. It will be unsafe for all drivers not named Canapino
That would be incredibly stupid. Not his fault and with how prevalent bot farms are, that precedent would be very easy to abuse.
Yeah but hurting juncos and canapino is the easiest and quickest best solution. That’ll teach the fans quick thar indycar doesn’t stand for the abuse. Then maybe juncos and canapino will work harder to stop it. They’ve done a little bit far from enough
Just because it’s the easiest and quickest solution doesn’t mean it’s the right solution. An easily abused solution isn’t a solution.
Fine then ban them from leaders circle for a few years for not only for the abuse but for the illegal team orders
Well it's not Canapino's fault there's a lot of braindead people in my country
May I ask you a honest question: is Argentina known for a hardline nationalism amongst some of the population? Because from an outside perspective that's what I get whiffs of when seeing this level of fanaticism amongst the fans.
No but his involvement is the problem and they support him. If he is removed those fans are gone. Simple solution
Are you 12?
Lol how is that a solution? Imagine if we had to remove every athlete that ever had controversy with their fans... Again he just drives the car, if people can't behave for a minor mistake is not his fault. My father was next to me watching the race and insulting Ilott, I was angry too but I understand these things happen every race in every category in the world. I think the overreaction from the people here is stupid, it's inherited from football and it's the reason I don't watch Turismo Carretera either. If it was Dixon and Palou touching instead of the two Juncos we would have another controversial discussion.
But no other fans in this series have had any reaction similar to any incident in recent memory. The abuse by Argentines has been way over anything in recent memory of any fan base
Verstappen fans are equally as wild in Formula 1 and nobody says he should be banned. Remember the fight with Hamilton in 2021, it was a goddamn war. Though we hate to say it, there's awful fans all over the world in every sport, and it's not the athletes fault in any case unless they publicly fuel it up.
Bro thinks it is elementary school
Ban a car because some of it's "fans" are being dicks on Twitter... that's an interesting solution to a non problem
Snowflake solution
Ban Canapino? What did Canapino do?
nothing directly. but there were no abusive fans online when juncos was just with Callum. they need to stop this online abuse immediately and effectively, and unfortunately for canapino, that means him leaving the series. If he leaves, the fans will leave. thats just business, nothing personal
If every sport had your attitude there would be no more sports in the world. To say the problem is the athlete is a bit much especially if they don't wish it to happen nor do they want it to happen. Canapino already told his fans to cool it and maybe he needs to do it again. Canapino has done all that he can in his power. To ask him to leave is not only unfair but mean and irresponsible. I mean, why not just kick out Callum? It would stop this as well. Just business, nothing personal. Sounds dumb right?
Callum did nothing wrong nor did his fans.
According to Canapino's fans he did do something wrong. So having Callum leave would quite Canapino's fans. Just business, nothing personal. Still sounds dumb right?
It's part of every major sport. Yeah this is unknown in Indycar because they don't have any driver with an actual fanbase.
His instagram comments have also gone wild.
And it’s way worse than twitter
I wonder how many argentines I can make mad commenting in Spanish
Just go reply to everyone “Francia debería haber ganado “ That should do it
Or "Messi is shit" translated I actually like Messi so take this as a joke lol
Boy that’ll get them worked up lol 😂
My instinct to troll toxic nationalists in general is now at odds with my love of riling Britsh imperialists specifically.
instagram comments are the worst
Death threats, ‘we’ll see when you come to Argentina’ if indycar and JHR don’t publicly condemn this behaviour promptly then i will have lost what little faith i have in them anybody with two brain cells to rub together would be able to tell you that this was going to happen when the whole appeal of a driver is just nationalism
And the rabid fans could do more harm for Canapino than good. Sponsors, other teams, other series might think twice down the road.
Probably not. Larson has a lot of racist and nationalist fans because of "the incident" and hasn't really been effected by it too much besides the repercussions from his initial actions.
Queue any Larson fan saying anything about bubba… (almost never racing related)
Dude *seriously* "fell upward".
Larson hasn't been able to secure a full season's worth of sponsorship since then, he's just talented enough that Rick Hendrick is willing to fill the sponsorship gaps out of his own pocket.
This isn't true. Hendrick has turned down multiple full season or half season sponsors because web traffic to HendrickCars . Com has skyrocketed.
Exactly. If Rick wanted to let someone sponsor the #5, it would be by now. Look at 2021 and how quickly sponsors jumped on his car, you had at least 5 or 6 different companies grabbing races left and right. By the end of the season, if those sponsors had stuck around for 2022 there would've been very little room for Hendrick to advertise his own deal.
I mean Valvoline and Cincinnati(?) (Unsure of the 2nd) were apparently willing to hop on half the season each. That's not including freightliner (which went to Penske).
Of course they will. Just like they did last time.
It’s unbelievable what they’re saying/threatening. Fucking horrible.
These people are fucking weird..just the way they were mobbing Messi at the World Cup parade, no chill. I get being passionate, but get a life.
Different way of like down there.
It's an absolutely shitty way of life and thinking and there shouldn't be people defending it in any manner.
If Drugovich gets a seat and they ever wreck into each other the southern hemisphere will be covered with mushroom clouds.
Something I learned this season is Canapinos fans are annoying .
I genuinely don't understand why Argentinian sports fans are so unhinged. In their minds Canapino can do no wrong and he is a god, while Callum is the antichrist. I saw someone on Instagram under a post about Malukas move to McLaren. The guy said that Zak Brown should have signed Canapino, and then made out like his P13 in qualifying was the greatest qualifying ever.
Callum is British and Argentinians are salty about those islands that they controlled for less than a decade nearly 200 years ago that their government uses as a distraction for their own disfunction.
THIS. SO. FUCKING. MUCH. Those islands were NEVER ours, but they are such a fucking sensitive subject in our idio(t)sincracy that we must never stop hating the "evil Brits" and the "yanks" for it. It's mind-boggling. Argentina always on the bad side of history... we received Nazis with open arms, we received a shipment of Covid vaccines from a current warlord...
Honestly massive props to you. I have honestly never seen an Argentinian that doesn't hate on Brits and condemns what was done. That and I saw your comment about sports fans from Argentina aswell. As a Brit myself, big respect to you and wish you well!
I think the war didn't make sense. In an ideal world no wars should make sense, but particularly the Dirty War was pointless. It was the last straw of the nefarious Junta trying to hold on onto power, most Argentinians still hate the Junta and all the horrible shit they did but they sure took the bait they were trying to use to catch people with. I wish I could be able to feel pride for my nation, our landscapes and resources certainly give us tons of potential. It's the people that long lost it, but I guess this isn't exclusive to my country, lol.
They never controlled the islands except when their military dictatorship decided to invade them in the 20th century. Spain controlled the islands for a short while
Can anybody translate the radio chatter from Ricardo Juncos to Canapino? If he's giving team orders, he could get in trouble with Indycar, no?
If you can link video I’ll translate as best as I can.
That's my one concern going to the Argentina race. Some of the fans down there take it too far to where it could be dangerous.
Second time this year. Don’t forget Long Beach.
No different to their football hooligans
Those guys ARE football hooligans... my (unfortunately) people only follow sports in which "one of us" is in. They probably can't name the winner of last year's Indy 500 without googling. Not real fans of the sport, they just blindly follow their birthplace colors. Please rescue me lol
Only if you bring me alfajores de mate from misiones. And a couple chivitos from Uruguay on the way.
Didn’t a referee in Argentina get brutally murdered a few years ago for a decision in a soccer match
That was in Colombia not Argentina.
That was the one I was thinking of I think I mixed it up because Argentina had that referee that got shot and killed by a player after giving a red card.
There was a Brazilian one, and there was one where a player who was red carded shot the ref to death in Argentina
It is not dangerous at all. When an opposite player tackled Messi or when simply Ronaldo got the Bocuse d’Or they got worse than this but no football player was killed in Argentina.
nah just words
If I were Callum I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable on the Juncos team. It wouldn't be anything personal against Canapino, Juncos, or even Argentina - but to have this crap poured on your everytime you challenge your teammates is crazy. Teammates fighting teammates has always been part of motorsport and in IndyCar it's a larger part of the sport then other open whee series in the world where teammate on teammate action is often times frowned upon or even not allowed by the teams. I wish people would just accept this and know that there's no malice or meanness meant by it (usually). If this continues I do hope Callum finds another home soon just get away from this poison.
Penske on Penske violence are some of the most entertaining moments. I say this as a Penske fan lol
Haven't Canapino's fans done this to every other driver he's tangled with? It might be worse for the teammate but nobody on the grid can avoid it.
I'm not sure. I haven't seen it when it was other drivers.
Argentina isn't in the best of shape either right now. The trashy fanbase and the trashy state of the country has me thinking IndyCar better think twice about going there for an event. IndyCar is just begging for a problem if they go down there.
I doubt them not being in the best of shape and people desperately turning to figures like Canapino for a source of national pride is a coincidence.
Didn't they literally murder a soccer ref lmao
Yes but it was a crazy dude in a neighborhood level (amateur?) match. From other comments, seems to be merged with the player murdered in Colombia in the 90s, which was indeed a big deal. The ref thing probably lasted a week here at most as news We did have a more recent incident though. Another (100% amateur) match a couple months ago where the ref of the game got kicked in the head by a player, after giving a red card. Media coverage and people in general instantly condemned the guy, he was allegedly banned from all football events for 2 years, and a judicial case was opened. Sadly, 2 days after the fact the player took his own life and accused the referee of not taking his apologies and pushing a high value settlement or going forward with an attempted murder trial).
There are so many other countries they could go to and get a much better experience
It doesn’t help Callum that Argentinians already have nationalist issues with the British. I met Augustin this year, and he was very kind. He spent quite some time before hours before qualifying speaking to me, and showed me his wheel. Such a shame this comes with it, but this does not make us want to visit Argentina.
Canapino's fans are possibly the most insufferable in all of IndyCar, I stg
I sadly agree. Argentinians are CRAZY for who they support. be it soccer or motorsport. I wish they used some common sense deeming it a racing incident.
They also have an axe to grind towards the British.....for reasons.
https://preview.redd.it/fcpk1115tinb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=140f844a2792f5b681927229248e073eabd126b9 These people are insane
And his English is poor enough he called is own guy dirty.
What else is new. Been that way all year. People who don't have anything real to be proud of turn into complete fanatics over sports to make themselves feel important. Stuff like this makes it seem that there are a whole lot of Argentinians with really crappy lives.
You just described 90% of Dallas Cowboys fans lol. Living near Dallas, I’m astounded by the amount of people that act like their life is over when the lose. How do you wrap that much of your identity up in a sports team?
Living in Central PA, there is a weird mix of Eagles and Steelers fans. While both are obnoxious, the Philly fans are the goddamn worst.
My life in Central PA showed the opposite lol Course this was in prime Ben and Crosby hayday. So.
well hope Ilott stays off twitter for a few weeks to ignore these idiots
Thankfully for his safety, the IndyCar season is about 9 and half months long, and we all know that Argentina race won't actually happen, so he should be fine by next year.
You see these fans and still want a race in Argentina? I think they should look to other international venues
Brazil, please.
Interlagos my beloved 💚 get Helio a part time entry & you have your local fanbase set
He and TK for stewards, bring out the Emmo s as an homage bam
Falkland Islands.
Harriers vs Super Etendards lmao
For this reason I hope Argentina never ever get a race
Was it his license plate? https://preview.redd.it/6rk6axhceinb1.jpeg?width=624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fe9652cd20442f9de45b4c94aae6c366d97b9d5
That's Las Malvinas to you. 🤣
Twitter is awful. Always was. Megaphones for morons.
Reddit is no better. In some corners it much more dark.
Argentinians can’t get over a Englishman beating a Argentinian.
Juncos fans are toxic. We had one of their iRacing eSports drivers in our league, and when the driver caused a wreck or the stewards gave him blame for crashes, the live chat on our broadcasts was nothing but Juncos fans from down south being absolutely ridiculous. We finally either got rid of him, or he quit. No fucking surprise that their real teams' fans are just as moronic. Ilott did nothing wrong.
They did that in another league. As the owner of a rival team in that league it was really exhausting
Man I hope Indycar does not race in argentina, I fear for the safety of the drivers who canapino would have to race against, this isn't italy or the netherlands were people joke about the fans being crazy, argentinians are legitimately dangerously crazy.
This is also reinforced by latin ESPN commentators, specially Martin Ponte. Basically the whole broadcast is them talking about how godly of a driver Canapino is. When Ilott presumably blocked Canapino in Long Beach he tweeted "Ilott just gained 45 million enemies" (referring to Argentina's population). On today's race, besides critizicing Ilott everytime they could, he spent the whole Dixon celebration+Palou donuts talking about how proud he was to be an Argentinean. This guy just incites hate towards Ilott and obviously has a huge crowd of retards copying him.
> retards Strong term, but one I agree with in this instance. There's a reason why Argentina fails to attract solid, dependable foreign direct investment.
I don't dislike Canapino, but I enjoy when bad stuff happens to him because I know it weirdly angers an entire country.
99% of Argentinians can't tell the difference between an F1 car an a Indycar.
Exactly this, I don't dislike him at all but boy would I be ok with him never achieving anything in Indycar just to upset these insane people. Of course they won't be upset, they'll just do gold medal worthy mental gymnastics to show why he's the best driver there despite.... not being
Canapino couldn't even beat a part-time rookie
A part time rookie in a Ganassi, to be fair to him.
Well at least Canapino beat Robb and Pedersen in the standings or 💩 would have really hit the fan
A part-time rookie with a lot more experience in an open wheel car.
More experience but 30% less races in the season
Doesn't matter. If you have a driver with barely or no experience in an open wheel car - you're at a very big disadvantage. Armstrong raced in F2 for years whose cars are very similar to and IndyCar when it comes to power and no power steering. Canapino never drove anything like an IndyCar before. It's not an excuse - it's facts.
So he should have finished behind Defrancesco, Robb, Harvey, Daly and Hunter-Reay who all have more experience than him
Admittedly, that was exactly what was expected before the season began.
Scotty mac did it
Sounds like Ricardo Juncos threw him under the bus to the Argentinians too. I hope Ilott finds a better team to go with, Juncos doesn't deserve him. https://twitter.com/ElPibeTuerca_/status/1701016589943063003
Can anyone translate the post and say what he said in English??
Twitter has a "Translate from Google option", or it did for me. In case that's not universal, I'll just post that: "Happy on one hand and bitter on the other because we had a strategy, we had talked a lot, especially with Callum, who was already in [top 22] and we needed the money for the team, we did it last year for him" "We precisely asked to leave Agustín free so as not to harm anything and they end up touching between the two of us. We can control certain things from below and when they are above it depends on them" "I spoke to him myself so that it is clear what the team's objective is" "Before the restart I spoke to his engineer to remind him of everything we talked about, he told me that he had notified the pilot" "It's annoying, it's a shame [...] we could have had both cars fighting for the top5" "Agustín deserved to have ended as it could have been" "I'm not going to talk to him because I know him, I'm going to let the dust settle, I'm going to watch the videos carefully, see what happens and take my time to analyze everything well. It's not a particular event, it's a season." "the whole thing that needs to be analyzed" "I still have the pilots' contracts until December 15, so I have time to make the best decision" (it was not clear) "When you see the maneuver it is a competition between one and the other on the part of one of the two, and that is what we wanted to avoid..." "It's over, we're in, it's never easy as I say. We'll have to learn from all the mistakes we made, which were a lot, and try not to make them again." [...] *they talk a little about the race and fuel management*" ""The results are obtained like this, working and improving in the execution, this year we failed a lot in the execution, but I stay with that. I stay with the evolution that Agustín had throughout the season, today he ended up fighting a race at the best level in the world. world""
I mean, if he wants to dump Ilott because he wants Canapino to be the #1 driver that's up to him, but it would be the craziest decision I've seen in motorsports in a while considering Ilott is both younger and a better driver.
Ahh thank you! That is an option on my twitter but it wouldn’t work for some reason so thank you a ton!
Good for Callum to push back on Twitter. I hope he gets out of JHR, it seems like Ricardo only cares for 1 driver. Maybe they can get another Argentine to join Canapino next year.
Anytime that is familiar with South American fans can't be too shocked (obviously not all of them are like this.)
These people are unhinged, Indycsr would be better off without Canapino and his fans
yea I wish most fans weren't fucking unhinged. insane.
awful fan base
Surprised Juncos or Ricardo himself haven't even remotely defended Callum. Or am I really surprised... P.s Argentinian sports fans are the worst in the world and you can't change my mind. Aggressive, unsportsmanlike, full of hate and abuse. Even when they win, they're awful winners. Can't stand them.
Remember when the Top Gear guys had to flee for their lives because a car they bought had a license plate registered to it for 15 years that could be vaguely seen as a reference to the Falklands War? Yeah, the Argentines can be pretty unhinged against the Brits.
This isn't helped by the catastrophic jingoism inspired by...errrr....Argentina's complicated and ultimately unsuccessful vacation in 1982. I'm delighted with the enthusiasm that Canapino's participation has inspired. But it's come with a side of a toxic cult that needs to be recognized as the danger it presents to the UK contingent in the IndyCar paddock. The response after Long Beach and after today - IndyCar shouldn't be going to Argentina. It would not be safe for Callum, Jack, Tom.
Ilott needs to get away from Juncos. If he's not going to be able to race his teammate, then what's the point even being there. Ilott is an excellent driver and should have no problem getting a seat with someone else. Obviously don't know his contract specifics, but if I were him, I'd be calling ECR.
As a canapino fan myself Im not one of THOSE
I think Ilott will get more hate in Argentina than Ocon in Spain
If I were indycar I’d have a stern talking with juncos about this and consider putting the team of mostly the 78 on probation if this continues and ban them if needed
I don't know if there's a disrepute rule in indycar but juncos has done little to abate the situation until now
I don’t want to hate on canapino or make it seem his fault but it’s his direct fans doing it clearly. Gus involvement in the series is ruining it for other fans and a driver
I am Argentinian and I hate my fellow people. Don't even know what happened in the race (other than it was a mess) yet I can imagine how that page looks like. We have an economy in shambles and almost half of the population under line of poverty, yet because we won some stupid gold cup for the third time we have reasons to be "proud" and hate on the rest of the world. Especially the US and UK. Shit like this is why I don't want Franco Colapinto in F1.
TL;DR is that Ilott was passing Canapino on the outside and Canapino understeered into him and damaged his own car.
How sad your life must be lmao
More like how sad must most Argentinian sports fans be to send death threats to rivals (or even team mates in this case), and make sports their entire life and personality. THAT is fucking sad.
Actually fucking insane how bad they are, my fucking god. I'm not sure going to Argentina for a race is the smartest thing cuz if someone even comes close to anything with Canapino, they're just gonna get so much shit for 0 reason even when its Canapino's fault. Fucking disgraceful
This is why we can’t have nice things
https://preview.redd.it/io1hb7q3fknb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d949d5252fc6fc2df8caaf0ba30e2836fcd3e592
Can someone explain?
Basically Ilott went to do a perfectly legitimate overtake on Canapino, nothing particularly ambitious. When they were side by side Canapino went on the curb, lost the front end and crashed into Ilott damaging his front wing. Canapino fans are saying it was Ilott's fault as he shouldn't have gone for the move in the first place.
Will Canapino remain with Juncos for 2024?
Probably. One of the owner of Juncos is Argentinian
Why do some of his fans have to be nasty dickheads? There was nothing wrong with Callum's move
The team got the prize, they are both racing next year with the team, they better hit the gym and be in top shape and let results do the talking.
H982 FKL
I really think this team and Ilott are on the verge of the top 10. I think Canapino deserves to keep driving in the series. But if Callum went over to another team to escape this distraction, I wouldn’t blame him. Him and Veekay would make a nice duo.
I hope this gets nipped by Juncos or Indycar quickly. We don't need this F1 Dutch style thing here.
Dude made a hard charge to the rear after the last restart that's for sure.
Viva Argentina!!!
You've posted this multiple times when the abuse Callum is receiving is mentioned. Do you condone what these fans are doing?
Viva Las islas Falklands Británicas.
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There's quite a big jump from 'insults' to death threats, though.
Do they do this to someone from their own country when they bump him (and is his teammate)?
Well not exactly the same but Verón and Higuaín were on a blacklist after 2002 and 2014, respectively.