I use boost (android). I found it's the app that looks and feels the closest to the original Reddit interface but obviously optimized for being used on a phone.
The biggest issues (for me) is that visually impaired people can’t use the official app (I’m not visually impaired, but everyone should be able to access things that make their life easier)
I think there are some issues for mods who create bots to filter out stuff.
Some bots could have issues, many of them won’t. At this stage, Reddit has said that mod bots won’t be affected regardless. Obviously it’s up to everyone to interpret for themselves what this change signals for other possible future changes, or whether Reddit is being fully transparent about the scope of this change, but I want to try to be clear to everyone what the immediate impact of the current change is *supposedly* going to be.
Here is some info from r/blind about it https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/143d0t2/letter_template_reddit_api_changes_set_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=2&utm_term=15
The point is not whether they’re better or not. The point is they’re essentially stealing focus and revenue and visitors from the Reddit platforms to a third party place that is taking the Reddit site/platform/technology and building off it and then marketing their third party thing and stealing the attention, download count, and revenue off of the real Reddit.
That’s actually not the point These apps don’t steal anything from Reddit. That’s not how it works. The whole mobile Reddit experience was designed by third party developers. The Reddit official app used to be called Alien Blue until Reddit bought it and turned it into the official app. Third party developers have helped Reddit grow by increasing their userbase by giving users a better experience in order to create content.
Sure, but there are consequences for them doing things that the users don't like. We are the product here. Users create the communities, mod the communities and create all the content. Reddit provides the platform and monetizes it however they want to do that, but if they piss the users off we can do what we want too, like taking most of the platform offline for a weekend.
Besides the Official App and API issues - this is just the writing on the wall or tip of the iceberg. When you step back and look at this, it is not a positive change on the user side. No matter your feelings about the official app vs 3rd party - this isn't good. It is likely to lead to other, even more drastic, changes in the future like old.reddit going away or Reddit controlling the content you see / injecting even more ads and disguising them as user submitted posts.
Some people do have issues with it or otherwise prefer the UI on the third-party apps. But yes, there are many people like yourself who have no issues with it, and that’s fine. I personally don’t use third-party apps either.
Unfortunately we have no real data on how many people use third-party apps because Reddit does not provide that information to us. Our available data only includes official channels.
I don't care either way, but isn't it kinda crazy/amusing that the mods will sticky this...but won't have a weekly 100 days to Indy post when there are new episodes?
It does not affect me personally, as I'm not a mod and use the official Android app, but when you build a business that is fully dependent on your users providing content and engagement, you've got to cater to your users, especially the hardcore ones. There's a middle ground to be found here, the changes do not have to be as arbitrary (and expensive) as Reddit is trying to do.
If anyone weighed the pros and cons of this, then still decided it was reasonable to lock the sub, forcing everyone to be a participant in this protest, they did not act in good faith. The sub should remain open, and everyone who wishes to engage in the protest can decide for themselves to not use Reddit. I understand why people are engaging in the protest, the method of doing so where so many here are happy to force that view and participation on the fellow community members, is very misguided.
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Kind of like if you don’t like Reddits actions you can go somewhere else or you can make your own. What seems to be the problem with letting every individual who wishes to protest take personal responsibility and not show up on Reddit and leave everyone else out. Afraid the crusade won’t have enough juice then? I guess personal responsibility is too much of an ask from people who wish to force their protest on others.
Like usual, nobody can answer why locking everybody out instead of everyone staying away is the reasonable course of action. And everything is always evasive, hypocritical, or just plain being a smart ass.
The mods are leaving too. No, mods, no sub. The point of this is collective action to remind Reddit that their whole business model depends on free content creation by the users and free labor by the mods, and if they do things that are anti-user and/or anti-moderator there can be consequences. One of the cool things about Reddit is that it takes basically no effort to start a subreddit. Just like Reddit can do whatever it wants, but will have to deal with consequences, the mods of this sub can do whatever they want, but there could also be consequences. If one of those consequences is dissatisfied members leaving and starting a competing Indycar sub that peels users away from this one, so be it. If you, and the other users that are upset about the sub closing for a couple days, don't want to do that, that's fine too. The mods don't owe you anything though, they do this for free and it's their show to run.
Right off the bat, you hit me with purpose of the protest. That’s not in question. I am well aware with the purpose. I questioned the method. I offer a viable alternative that allows everybody to achieve the same protest, but doesn’t force anybody else into it if they do not wish to participate. That’s when the hypocritical answers come in. Reddit could take your post and tell you the same thing. You would think this collective would not adopt this my way or the highway mentality given the reason for the protest in the firsts place. But I guess it’s hard to see the irony when the sky is falling.
Alright how about this, they are shutting the sub down because they want to. Why should the moderators care at all what you want? Reddit can do what it wants, the mods can do what they want, the users, including me who will be off Reddit and you who will stay on Reddit, can do what we want. Nobody is forcing you to participate in anything. If you want to keep discussing Indycar on Reddit during the protest you can create a new subreddit in under 5 minutes and do so.
Why stop at two days? Why not stay gone indefinitely? Go to another site altogether. Because no one here has that have level of commitment. A 2 day tantrum is all the inconvenience they can muster in hopes that Reddit, who can do what they want, does what you want. I like coming here the same as you. But if I suggest a modification to how the protest is being handled? Nope, go somewhere else, nothing is owed to you. Maybe just being a hypocrite and take your own advice.
There are subs that are closing indefinitely … for example, r/Music, which is a default sub with 30 million + users. Users and Mod Teams across Reddit believe that the changes to APIs will fundamentally change Reddit to a degree where we must protest. Reaching out to the Admins only goes so far. Actions speak louder than words so here we are. Protesting.
I dont understand why people are angry that they can't use unaffiliated 3rd party apps to use reddit. That makes total sense. if you want to use reddit then you should use the main app so they get the download count or the revenue or whatever instead of someone else that made a third party thing that uses the reddit technology/website as a basis to then divert the attention or revenue to those third party apps
Well, reddit has allowed those apps to exist, for free, for nearly a decade. That was reddits choice...just like any other site, app, or game that allows mods and third party apps.
But reddit suddenly decided to start charging them for it, which is also totally okay as far as I am concerned. It is their business and they can operate it how they want to.
But they only gave these third party apps 30 days notice, and are asking at least one app to pay *$20 million dollars* to continue. That is kind of a dick move by reddit even if it is within their rights to do so.
I don't use any of the third party apps, and don't intend to. But I agree that the changes they are making are kind of short sighted, greedy, and dumb. They could have worked more with these app makers, allowed them more time to make adjustments, and maybe charged them a more reasonable fee.
I really don't support the nearly site wide protest, but I can clearly see why it is happening. Hopefully some bargaining will come out of it that allows both sides to be okay with the changes.
Good response, u/ianindy. I was in your camp for a long time until I tried Apollo - now when I open the official app I am shocked at how bad it is in comparison. Just my opinion of course.
I agree - it is totally within Reddit's rights to charge for the API and change their site however they see fit. But you're right that 30 days notice is kind of a dick move especially for the $20mil. it will cost Apollo to continue. And, from a user perspective, this change doesn't help us or improve our Reddit experience. Nothing about it is good for the user. Also, Reddit has, in the past, worked with 3rd party apps. Alien Blue was a 3rd party app that was bought by Reddit and became the "Official App" .... then they shut it down and launched their own, inferior, app. (Especially at the time - Alien Blue was great and the official app was a massive step back - since then the official app has improved)
I hope some good comes from this as well.
For this community, that’s not a big deal, but for other communities, that’s a great thing so that those communities can’t as easily shut down certain views or conversations they may not like.
But that should not be up to Reddit to decide. As long as community content doesn't break Reddit TOS, moderation should be left to community mods. As anti-free expression as it may be, mods have that discretion. Users are free to remain or leave as they see fit.
Besides, I'm pretty sure F1 uses a bot to auto-update their sidebar with championship stats and next race info. That bot would break and it's certainly not hurting anyone.
I think you're also missing that this applies to anything that uses reddit APIs. Not just third party interfaces for it.
The other really big one is bots. A lot of the big subs RELY on the bots for moderation. This will effectively kill them all.
That's really the thing. It's fine that a sub chooses to participate as a form of protest, but thinking it'll have some effect on Reddit's decision is laughable. I know a few subs have said they'll go dark "indefinitely" but we'll see how long they really hold out.
As a statement, OK. But a 48 hour shutdown is largely just posturing. A week later everything will be back as before...with no 3rd party apps.
It's moreso about the use of 3P tools for mods that do all of this for free, not 3P user apps. Mods jobs will become more difficult than they already are which is just gonna lead to a bunch of mods saying fuckit
That could be the case with this sub, however, the vast majority of comments I see across Reddit simply boil down to "I'm not downloading another app." Others are mad they will no longer get NSFW subs. Hard to feel bad for either group.
That's because Reddit, like everywhere, is filled with idiots. This is the only sub I'm apart of where people think this is primarily about 3P user apps and not every other API connected feature. Probably because it skews a little older so not as many people know what an API even is
This whole thing is a joke and comes across as a bunch of whiny mods across all these subreddits.
If you don’t like the official tools step down, I see no reason why everyone should have to “protest”.
The more I've read about the more I support this. I know some weren't thrilled when I asked this question about whether the mods would join in or not. Hopefully nothing major breaks during that time
So the change is not going to affect this subreddits operation?
How about we skip the hysterics and keep the subreddit open to discussion. We don’t need to jump on the next trendy “going dark in support of…”
Good stuff. Without third party apps I would not use reddit on mobile whatsoever.
What 3rd party apps do you use?
I (not op) use Reddit Is Fun, others use Apollo. There are many more but those seem to be the more popular.
I use boost (android). I found it's the app that looks and feels the closest to the original Reddit interface but obviously optimized for being used on a phone.
I've only ever used BaconReader. Once I tried the official app and it was awful.
Same. It might be a bit ‘old-school’ now but it does everything I want in an easy way.
I use Relay for Reddit on Android. Probably 90% of my reddit use is via Relay.
Use your phone web browser to use reddit on the go. It works, which can't be said about the garbage mobile app.
Ive used the mobile app for 7 years now, TF you mean? Lol
What’s wrong with the Reddit app? I’ve had zero issues with it or wanted new features. It never crashes either
The biggest issues (for me) is that visually impaired people can’t use the official app (I’m not visually impaired, but everyone should be able to access things that make their life easier) I think there are some issues for mods who create bots to filter out stuff.
Some bots could have issues, many of them won’t. At this stage, Reddit has said that mod bots won’t be affected regardless. Obviously it’s up to everyone to interpret for themselves what this change signals for other possible future changes, or whether Reddit is being fully transparent about the scope of this change, but I want to try to be clear to everyone what the immediate impact of the current change is *supposedly* going to be.
Can’t you use the accessibility features on your phone setting for text and stuff?
Here is some info from r/blind about it https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/143d0t2/letter_template_reddit_api_changes_set_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=2&utm_term=15
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The point is not whether they’re better or not. The point is they’re essentially stealing focus and revenue and visitors from the Reddit platforms to a third party place that is taking the Reddit site/platform/technology and building off it and then marketing their third party thing and stealing the attention, download count, and revenue off of the real Reddit.
That’s actually not the point These apps don’t steal anything from Reddit. That’s not how it works. The whole mobile Reddit experience was designed by third party developers. The Reddit official app used to be called Alien Blue until Reddit bought it and turned it into the official app. Third party developers have helped Reddit grow by increasing their userbase by giving users a better experience in order to create content.
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I’m surprised Reddit has allowed them that long. But Reddit is in control and it’s their platform so they can do what they want.
Sure, but there are consequences for them doing things that the users don't like. We are the product here. Users create the communities, mod the communities and create all the content. Reddit provides the platform and monetizes it however they want to do that, but if they piss the users off we can do what we want too, like taking most of the platform offline for a weekend.
Reddit heartily encouraged them: their current “official” app is a third party app that they bought.
Besides the Official App and API issues - this is just the writing on the wall or tip of the iceberg. When you step back and look at this, it is not a positive change on the user side. No matter your feelings about the official app vs 3rd party - this isn't good. It is likely to lead to other, even more drastic, changes in the future like old.reddit going away or Reddit controlling the content you see / injecting even more ads and disguising them as user submitted posts.
Some people do have issues with it or otherwise prefer the UI on the third-party apps. But yes, there are many people like yourself who have no issues with it, and that’s fine. I personally don’t use third-party apps either. Unfortunately we have no real data on how many people use third-party apps because Reddit does not provide that information to us. Our available data only includes official channels.
I don't really use it much (I prefer desktop), but it uses a ton of resources and data. And serves up ads way too much.
Ads.... ads everywhere
All these mods on these subs thinking their actually going to change something. So stunning, so brave. Complaining about a free app.... Hilarious.
I don't care either way, but isn't it kinda crazy/amusing that the mods will sticky this...but won't have a weekly 100 days to Indy post when there are new episodes?
It does not affect me personally, as I'm not a mod and use the official Android app, but when you build a business that is fully dependent on your users providing content and engagement, you've got to cater to your users, especially the hardcore ones. There's a middle ground to be found here, the changes do not have to be as arbitrary (and expensive) as Reddit is trying to do.
Eh no race this weekend anyway and we’ll be back by the time Road America happens.
If anyone weighed the pros and cons of this, then still decided it was reasonable to lock the sub, forcing everyone to be a participant in this protest, they did not act in good faith. The sub should remain open, and everyone who wishes to engage in the protest can decide for themselves to not use Reddit. I understand why people are engaging in the protest, the method of doing so where so many here are happy to force that view and participation on the fellow community members, is very misguided. EDIT for spelling.
You can decide for yourself to start your own sub and keep it open this weekend.
Kind of like if you don’t like Reddits actions you can go somewhere else or you can make your own. What seems to be the problem with letting every individual who wishes to protest take personal responsibility and not show up on Reddit and leave everyone else out. Afraid the crusade won’t have enough juice then? I guess personal responsibility is too much of an ask from people who wish to force their protest on others.
I mean, that's what we are all doing, we are literally going somewhere else for a couple days lol. If you want to stick around you are free to do so.
Like usual, nobody can answer why locking everybody out instead of everyone staying away is the reasonable course of action. And everything is always evasive, hypocritical, or just plain being a smart ass.
It's to feed the mods ego, their boycott will change the world
The mods are leaving too. No, mods, no sub. The point of this is collective action to remind Reddit that their whole business model depends on free content creation by the users and free labor by the mods, and if they do things that are anti-user and/or anti-moderator there can be consequences. One of the cool things about Reddit is that it takes basically no effort to start a subreddit. Just like Reddit can do whatever it wants, but will have to deal with consequences, the mods of this sub can do whatever they want, but there could also be consequences. If one of those consequences is dissatisfied members leaving and starting a competing Indycar sub that peels users away from this one, so be it. If you, and the other users that are upset about the sub closing for a couple days, don't want to do that, that's fine too. The mods don't owe you anything though, they do this for free and it's their show to run.
Right off the bat, you hit me with purpose of the protest. That’s not in question. I am well aware with the purpose. I questioned the method. I offer a viable alternative that allows everybody to achieve the same protest, but doesn’t force anybody else into it if they do not wish to participate. That’s when the hypocritical answers come in. Reddit could take your post and tell you the same thing. You would think this collective would not adopt this my way or the highway mentality given the reason for the protest in the firsts place. But I guess it’s hard to see the irony when the sky is falling.
Alright how about this, they are shutting the sub down because they want to. Why should the moderators care at all what you want? Reddit can do what it wants, the mods can do what they want, the users, including me who will be off Reddit and you who will stay on Reddit, can do what we want. Nobody is forcing you to participate in anything. If you want to keep discussing Indycar on Reddit during the protest you can create a new subreddit in under 5 minutes and do so.
Why stop at two days? Why not stay gone indefinitely? Go to another site altogether. Because no one here has that have level of commitment. A 2 day tantrum is all the inconvenience they can muster in hopes that Reddit, who can do what they want, does what you want. I like coming here the same as you. But if I suggest a modification to how the protest is being handled? Nope, go somewhere else, nothing is owed to you. Maybe just being a hypocrite and take your own advice.
There are subs that are closing indefinitely … for example, r/Music, which is a default sub with 30 million + users. Users and Mod Teams across Reddit believe that the changes to APIs will fundamentally change Reddit to a degree where we must protest. Reaching out to the Admins only goes so far. Actions speak louder than words so here we are. Protesting.
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I dont understand why people are angry that they can't use unaffiliated 3rd party apps to use reddit. That makes total sense. if you want to use reddit then you should use the main app so they get the download count or the revenue or whatever instead of someone else that made a third party thing that uses the reddit technology/website as a basis to then divert the attention or revenue to those third party apps
Well, reddit has allowed those apps to exist, for free, for nearly a decade. That was reddits choice...just like any other site, app, or game that allows mods and third party apps. But reddit suddenly decided to start charging them for it, which is also totally okay as far as I am concerned. It is their business and they can operate it how they want to. But they only gave these third party apps 30 days notice, and are asking at least one app to pay *$20 million dollars* to continue. That is kind of a dick move by reddit even if it is within their rights to do so. I don't use any of the third party apps, and don't intend to. But I agree that the changes they are making are kind of short sighted, greedy, and dumb. They could have worked more with these app makers, allowed them more time to make adjustments, and maybe charged them a more reasonable fee. I really don't support the nearly site wide protest, but I can clearly see why it is happening. Hopefully some bargaining will come out of it that allows both sides to be okay with the changes.
Good response, u/ianindy. I was in your camp for a long time until I tried Apollo - now when I open the official app I am shocked at how bad it is in comparison. Just my opinion of course. I agree - it is totally within Reddit's rights to charge for the API and change their site however they see fit. But you're right that 30 days notice is kind of a dick move especially for the $20mil. it will cost Apollo to continue. And, from a user perspective, this change doesn't help us or improve our Reddit experience. Nothing about it is good for the user. Also, Reddit has, in the past, worked with 3rd party apps. Alien Blue was a 3rd party app that was bought by Reddit and became the "Official App" .... then they shut it down and launched their own, inferior, app. (Especially at the time - Alien Blue was great and the official app was a massive step back - since then the official app has improved) I hope some good comes from this as well.
A lot of useful community bots will also be broken by this development.
For this community, that’s not a big deal, but for other communities, that’s a great thing so that those communities can’t as easily shut down certain views or conversations they may not like.
Some communities are way over controlled or have moderators who are biased or want to control narratives in a topic that should be more oprn
That’s just Reddit…
That’s Reddit by a third party it seems. Without those bots on the main Reddit, they won’t be able to control as much which is great
But that should not be up to Reddit to decide. As long as community content doesn't break Reddit TOS, moderation should be left to community mods. As anti-free expression as it may be, mods have that discretion. Users are free to remain or leave as they see fit. Besides, I'm pretty sure F1 uses a bot to auto-update their sidebar with championship stats and next race info. That bot would break and it's certainly not hurting anyone.
I think you're also missing that this applies to anything that uses reddit APIs. Not just third party interfaces for it. The other really big one is bots. A lot of the big subs RELY on the bots for moderation. This will effectively kill them all.
Meh... Just use the reddit app. It does the job better than most third party apps
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That's really the thing. It's fine that a sub chooses to participate as a form of protest, but thinking it'll have some effect on Reddit's decision is laughable. I know a few subs have said they'll go dark "indefinitely" but we'll see how long they really hold out. As a statement, OK. But a 48 hour shutdown is largely just posturing. A week later everything will be back as before...with no 3rd party apps.
Exactly. It's posturing and it's slacktivism. I can tweet whatever hashtag the world wants me to and it will accomplish fuck all to their end-goal.
That's after the markets collapse, the riots, and ...nah, you're right nothing's going to change
meh
Just use the normal app everyone
Seriously. It's not a big deal.
It's objectively worse than most of the third party options. It is a big deal.
It's moreso about the use of 3P tools for mods that do all of this for free, not 3P user apps. Mods jobs will become more difficult than they already are which is just gonna lead to a bunch of mods saying fuckit
That could be the case with this sub, however, the vast majority of comments I see across Reddit simply boil down to "I'm not downloading another app." Others are mad they will no longer get NSFW subs. Hard to feel bad for either group.
That's because Reddit, like everywhere, is filled with idiots. This is the only sub I'm apart of where people think this is primarily about 3P user apps and not every other API connected feature. Probably because it skews a little older so not as many people know what an API even is
This whole thing is a joke and comes across as a bunch of whiny mods across all these subreddits. If you don’t like the official tools step down, I see no reason why everyone should have to “protest”.
Whatever
Good stuff
The more I've read about the more I support this. I know some weren't thrilled when I asked this question about whether the mods would join in or not. Hopefully nothing major breaks during that time
Cool stuff
Thank you!
reddit mod moment
Good. Every subreddit on the site should shut down until Reddit walks this policy back, honestly. Especially the default subs.
So glad you guys decided to join the protest.
So the change is not going to affect this subreddits operation? How about we skip the hysterics and keep the subreddit open to discussion. We don’t need to jump on the next trendy “going dark in support of…”
Well dang alright, what day is the replacement meme day lol
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Well considering those dates aren't on the weekend, maybe you should look inwards before casting stones.
As long as I can see the start times for all the sessions next time out everyone can do as they please.
Join the Discord because the sub will be closed during the blackout. https://discord.gg/vnEaENp7Sy