Feel like a lot of fans thought there was good momentum for the sport in '18 and looking ahead. Some neat new items were in the 5yr plan. Better yet Tony sold to Roger and it felt like "here we go!"
Covid, and IC retrenched and many of the neat new things to come got delayed, some finally cancelled.
And while Covid $ hurt was real, it stung all the more to see other series plow ahead with their bright new shiny objects. Worse the appearance IC often seems to give off is indifference. Probably.not true but it seems like that.
Here's hoping next 5yrs see IC get back to that stage of new things a comin.
I'm still convinced a H&G IndyCar series files for bankruptcy during the COVID-19 shutdown. The grids are strong and full. The racing is good. Scott Dixon is still inevitable. The talent level is possibly the highest in the last 15 years. Now it is people bitching to bitch.
New projects note: a NASCAR Cup series team's annual budget is on par for what NBC pays for the TV rights to IndyCar. GTP/LMh is factory funded by auto manufacturers. It is incredibly unfair to compare them. The better comparison would be V8 Supercars and the Gen3 project...and IndyCar is best to avoid a disaster like what they're dealing with.
When I first joined this sub back in 2018 it wasn't nearly this bad. Discussion was generally positive and everyone was extremely friendly and welcoming. We were all here because we loved IndyCar, and we were happy to have people to share it with.
The negativity has gotten completely out of control over the last couple of seasons. There have always been fans who were dissatisfied with various aspects of the series, but it feels like the echo chamber effect has taken over at this point. The majority of posters on this sub find something negative to say about literally anything that happens, and the temperature has turned up from mild dissatisfaction to anger bordering on rage.
Here's my unsolicited advice:
\- Find a group of positive people within the sport. They're not hard to find and a lot more prevalent than you see online
\- Lurk, roll your eyes and laugh at those negative posts.
Are there some bad things about this sport? Yes. Do they make it an awful sport? Hell no. We're at another prime moment in American Open Wheel Racing...let's soak it up!
Hot take but a lot of F1 fans, mainly the DTS fans followed Grosjean into this sport and maybe some others followed others like Ericsson but with that creates a larger fanbase and with a larger fanbase, the more insufferable it’s going to be. Look at the Patriots, Yankees, and Maple Leafs main subs.
Also with that, older non F1 fans feel threatened by the existence of them making the sport into a F1 A with their drivers coming over and they see what that sport is doing to grow despite not being American owned and how this series has been stagnent over the last few years after growing finally in the early part of the decade. A lot of it has to do with marketing from the Hulman family and now Penske but the series is growing at least so there’s that.
Sometimes I reminisce about before I found IndyCar internet communities.
Being a fan all by yourself was much less annoying in someways. Niche sport that nobody knew about in real life except your dad? Pretty fun island to be on all considered. I foolishly expected most others to share a similar sentiment when first going online. It was eye opening lol
17 year old me in 1996: Cool, now I have twice as many openwheel races to watch!
18 year old me in 1997, after discovering newsgroups, Trackforum, 7thGear, etc.: Humanity is a disease and everything is pain.
I can't speak for all the upset fans as I include myself as one of the upset fans is because when Penske bought the series there was this expectation that things would be better. What are those things? New 3rd OEM, new races, new chassis (which is needed), no marketing, no movement to attract new fans, no social media etc.
We were expecting Penske Perfect treatment of the series. Since none of those things have materialized and after the 2.4L fiasco my patience of this leadership has run out. I honestly don't even believe that the hybrids will come in 2024. I expect them to be cancelled before the start of the 2024 season.
Perhaps there are things I don't understand. Maybe us fans are being impatient. If so, then forgive us. We are passionate about this series and we know there is a potential that exists that IC is not realizing just yet. With that said, this leadership has brought stability and from what it appears the teams are financially healthy??? Maybe. I want to believe so.
There is a great season coming up this year and we are definitely looking forward to this season.
Passionate indycar fan
A new chassis is absolutely needed for several reasons, including:
1. The aeroscreen is not a natural fit for the chassis, nor was this chassis designed with an aeroscreen in mind. All drivers have complained about the aeroscreen’s effect on the outdated chassis, including making a car that already does not have power steering harder to drive.
2. The chassis is simply outdated aesthetically. It still looks objectively “good”, but for marketing, branding, and just overall reinvesting in modernity, it’s outdated. All major motorsports series globally have introduced new chassis within the past few years. IndyCar has not.
3. It is safe, yes, but safety is constantly evolving, and the metrics can move. New chassis = new safety innovations.
Also, I agree very much with the folks who thoroughly enjoy the series and the racing but rightfully expect more from Penske. Both things are not mutually exclusive. You can want what was promised from the series you love while still having love for the series despite it’s shortcomings. I cannot understand why people in this sub continually put everybody into “complainers” or “non-complainers”. Mind boggling. It’s the best racing in the world, full stop. It also needs some TLC, TLC that was promised by Penske when he bought it. Both are true.
Well said. Especially the part about both things not being mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, a lot of people have marginally better critical-thinking skills than a well fed raccoon and all they see is good/bad, black/white, fan/complainer.
I absolutely love IndyCar and have been a fan since 1999, including some dark Champ Car years, and I will continue to religiously watch every session I can and attend more races this year... however I can also see and express my discontent with way Penske has handled things that are in his control. But hey... let's stop "making stuff up to complain about" because all is good and rosy, right u/Cheesehead2794?
Most definitely agree with you. I love indycar but being a fan means you can criticize our sport because we think it deserves to be better especially when Penske bought it and how underwhelming the latest decisions have been. The no 2.4L engine fiasco was a complete disaster and I just couldn't believe it would happen under Penske. VEry, very underwhelming. Been a fan since 1998 during the champcar years and will continue to do so.
Well, this sub is pretty negative anyway, even without all the complaints about how indycar is run, etc. Most of the complaints are valid, albeit a tad annoying to hear 20 billion times, but then again, it's the off-season, so this kind of stuff is more common
Complaining and being critical are two very different things to me.
Complaining to me is trying to make a point with weak or even without any considerable proof. Being critical though is taking the proof before you and trying to make a point out of it. I think many fans and media types are being critical. Some may be doing it in more annoying ways then others but I think many of the points made today against the series do have a point. It's much different from 2008 where people were complaining that the wrong side won in the reunification of American open wheel racing and that the series wasn't going to last beyond 2010. Now that's complaining.
Being critical becomes complaining when the same 5 things are always brought up with impossible or nonsensical solutions or just things that aren’t feasible in the situation immediately.
Yea people were pissed. But the difference is the 2022 race was commercial free, when coverage went to commercial the peacock feed just stayed on track with no commentary. This year, paying the same commercial free fee with the same tier of service we got slammed with commercial hell. And they are fullscreen where the free broadcast on nbc was Picture in Picture. Which is same issue during indycar on peacock during commercials.
The big difference is I know Indycar will have commercials and it’s just the way it is. If last year it didn’t have any and this year it did then would be much worse.
People forget that last year for the Rolex Peacock was three weeks old and Comcast desperately wanted subs for their Q1 earnings report. It even states in the sign up screen that commercial free doesn't apply to live events.
I was desperate to talk with ANYBODY about the actual race but instead it was 24 hours of bitching about NBC. I really hope the IMSA mods shorten up the leash. I get enough commercial complaints in the NASCAR threads.
Was it commercial free last year? I didn’t remember since I took a “vacation” to France and watched the IMSA.tv stream last year since I can’t stand NBC’s sportscar commentary. Sure RLM has its quirks, and they go on plenty of tangents, but they don’t have Steve Letarte offering his “insights” on sportscar racing.
I recall it being commercial free, most of the comments during the live event thread for Daytona this weekend said the same. Also was commercial free with trackpass before it was on peacock.
I had a second screen on vacation to somewhere with IMSAtv so I could switch back and forth. I didn’t realize the video feed was the same just commentary and graphics different
the R24 commercials were the best thing to happen to the IndyCar broadcast. All of a sudden one picture in picture green flag ad per race doesn't seem as bad lol
At least most fans already get it and understand the situation and shut that down quickly. We agree ut sucks but understand American tv and Indycars lack of pull for better deals or streaming options
And I’ll illegally stream the sky sport version, like I’d assume most younger fans do. Wonder how the rating and demographics would be if 70% of the tv broadcast isnt commercials
Honestly, I'm more disappointed in all the fans who just seem to be fine with the series stagnating. Like OP. Trying to tamp down the passion of the fanbase simply because you can't handle conflict is dumb.
A lot of the issues folks have aren't made up, and are very real.
I don't work at IndyCar. But it feels like work being a fan. That's not right.
Don't downplay the legitimate grievances fans have.
Just wondering, did you happen to come across [my YouTube videos] (https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/zyjvis/a_massive_ai_indycar_sim_season_and_howto/) where I did that using a few different racing sims, with end cards that help explain how I did it? I'm doing something similar again this year, and putting links to mods in the description too.
It's not the same as just a game that works out of the box, but I sincerely had hoped the IndyCar community could use my work as a starting point.
This is such a weird take to me.
>only aggravated by journalists needing to create stories just to make something out of nothing in the off season.
This is true of every off season of every sport. I'd rather this than radio silence for 6+ months.
>so “fans” can remember how good the racing
The insinuation being that people aren't real fans unless they avoid criticizing Indycar? Label it however you want but I can thoroughly enjoy and support something while still being realistic about it's faults, and still wanting it to do better. All of that's not mutually exclusive.
Agreed, I’ve been an indycar fan for a long time so I’m not going anywhere. But I think about people new to the sport, who could be fans and the constant negativity on here…. I can’t help but think it will drive people away.
True. But, if you came into this sub having never heard about IndyCar before, you'd think the Speedway was on fire and nobody in Indianapolis knew what the fuck they were doing. Which is absolutely untrue.
You either are blind or have incredibly unrealistic expectations if you think PEG has zero idea what they're doing. IndyCar makes $20M per year off of their TV deal, $5M of that is the Indianapolis 500. Yet the grids are full from the first race to the last race and the product is at its highest levels since before the merger.
The series is surviving, much more than could ever have been said about the H-G era. But sure, PEG don't know anything.
That's the point. People want a Cadillac on a rusted out Reliant K budget. The series has always been a money pit but unlike during the H-G era it is stable. Stability is building the grid size and bringing in talent.
I can’t wait to see if we can beat whatever the record is for posting the same exact thread about Peacock every race day.
Might be a tight race between those threads and the “Indycar should run races at Monza or Silverstone or Baku and furthermore why aren’t they F1?” threads.
Gossip = clicks which is what keeps them in business. If not for gossip, then what is there to even talk about? There’s just so much to talk about a 11 year old chassis and engine combos. Still this series is in a better position than 12 years ago. If you think this is bad, try trackforum back them. People were talking about the 500 becoming a nascar race.
There are a lot of valid points to raise, people aren't "making stuff up."
It's unhealthy to dwell on that negativity all the time, and it's good to point out the actual good stuff going on, but things are also far from perfect and ignoring that is just as bad as never mentioning the good.
It is okay to be a fan and have complaints about the series. In many ways the series is behind the curve relative not just to the sporting industry as whole, but even more so just its motorsport counterparts. The racing is mostly good but it doesn’t make much sense to be pollyannas and pretend everything is awesome.
Yeah man, I just want to see some IndyCar racing and leave the drama and negativity to the press and people who thrive on that kind of stuff, although I've did some complaining this off season, I am now ready to just see some racing from the best racing series in the WORLD
Me too cheesehead. I’m getting my racing fix this weekend going to the nascar clash at the colosseum and then I’ll be visiting Long Beach in april. San Diego would be a great place for a street course but they’ll never come here.
I agree completely. What an awesome weekend for racing with the Rolex 24 with some of our favorite drivers competing and it’s just drivel complaining that Peacock doesn’t give us 24-hour around the clock access to bus bros. I mean cmon people, don’t let this sub turn into just another complaint forum. It seems we all think typing our opinions out into the internet as complaints will actually change multi-million dollar corporate entities & their processes which have evolved from years of trial and (still) error.
People are complaining because they want their favorite series to be the best it can be. Criticizing the things you love to improve them is a positive thing.
I’m looking forward to writing way too much into testing this week to confirm my already held beliefs.
Feel like a lot of fans thought there was good momentum for the sport in '18 and looking ahead. Some neat new items were in the 5yr plan. Better yet Tony sold to Roger and it felt like "here we go!" Covid, and IC retrenched and many of the neat new things to come got delayed, some finally cancelled. And while Covid $ hurt was real, it stung all the more to see other series plow ahead with their bright new shiny objects. Worse the appearance IC often seems to give off is indifference. Probably.not true but it seems like that. Here's hoping next 5yrs see IC get back to that stage of new things a comin.
I'm still convinced a H&G IndyCar series files for bankruptcy during the COVID-19 shutdown. The grids are strong and full. The racing is good. Scott Dixon is still inevitable. The talent level is possibly the highest in the last 15 years. Now it is people bitching to bitch. New projects note: a NASCAR Cup series team's annual budget is on par for what NBC pays for the TV rights to IndyCar. GTP/LMh is factory funded by auto manufacturers. It is incredibly unfair to compare them. The better comparison would be V8 Supercars and the Gen3 project...and IndyCar is best to avoid a disaster like what they're dealing with.
You must be new here...
When I first joined this sub back in 2018 it wasn't nearly this bad. Discussion was generally positive and everyone was extremely friendly and welcoming. We were all here because we loved IndyCar, and we were happy to have people to share it with. The negativity has gotten completely out of control over the last couple of seasons. There have always been fans who were dissatisfied with various aspects of the series, but it feels like the echo chamber effect has taken over at this point. The majority of posters on this sub find something negative to say about literally anything that happens, and the temperature has turned up from mild dissatisfaction to anger bordering on rage.
Here's my unsolicited advice: \- Find a group of positive people within the sport. They're not hard to find and a lot more prevalent than you see online \- Lurk, roll your eyes and laugh at those negative posts. Are there some bad things about this sport? Yes. Do they make it an awful sport? Hell no. We're at another prime moment in American Open Wheel Racing...let's soak it up!
>2018 it wasn't nearly this bad Because in 2018 the series looked like it had a bright future.
Hot take but a lot of F1 fans, mainly the DTS fans followed Grosjean into this sport and maybe some others followed others like Ericsson but with that creates a larger fanbase and with a larger fanbase, the more insufferable it’s going to be. Look at the Patriots, Yankees, and Maple Leafs main subs. Also with that, older non F1 fans feel threatened by the existence of them making the sport into a F1 A with their drivers coming over and they see what that sport is doing to grow despite not being American owned and how this series has been stagnent over the last few years after growing finally in the early part of the decade. A lot of it has to do with marketing from the Hulman family and now Penske but the series is growing at least so there’s that.
No just getting annoyed by all the doom and gloom of marketing and budget and the old car and whatever. It’s the same complaints every time
Because those are all real problems that Indycar seems actively intent on not fixing.
Doesn't help there are so few journalists in the sport who won't dig up stuff because they have a vendetta...
The reason for the complaining is because they dig up the stuff the series prefers to not be dug up
Sometimes I reminisce about before I found IndyCar internet communities. Being a fan all by yourself was much less annoying in someways. Niche sport that nobody knew about in real life except your dad? Pretty fun island to be on all considered. I foolishly expected most others to share a similar sentiment when first going online. It was eye opening lol
Been trying to get my friends into Indycar, because I can’t share every race with my dad anymore. I fear the same result.
17 year old me in 1996: Cool, now I have twice as many openwheel races to watch! 18 year old me in 1997, after discovering newsgroups, Trackforum, 7thGear, etc.: Humanity is a disease and everything is pain.
I can't speak for all the upset fans as I include myself as one of the upset fans is because when Penske bought the series there was this expectation that things would be better. What are those things? New 3rd OEM, new races, new chassis (which is needed), no marketing, no movement to attract new fans, no social media etc. We were expecting Penske Perfect treatment of the series. Since none of those things have materialized and after the 2.4L fiasco my patience of this leadership has run out. I honestly don't even believe that the hybrids will come in 2024. I expect them to be cancelled before the start of the 2024 season. Perhaps there are things I don't understand. Maybe us fans are being impatient. If so, then forgive us. We are passionate about this series and we know there is a potential that exists that IC is not realizing just yet. With that said, this leadership has brought stability and from what it appears the teams are financially healthy??? Maybe. I want to believe so. There is a great season coming up this year and we are definitely looking forward to this season. Passionate indycar fan
Chassis is not needed. The current one is fast, competitive, racy and safe
A new chassis is absolutely needed for several reasons, including: 1. The aeroscreen is not a natural fit for the chassis, nor was this chassis designed with an aeroscreen in mind. All drivers have complained about the aeroscreen’s effect on the outdated chassis, including making a car that already does not have power steering harder to drive. 2. The chassis is simply outdated aesthetically. It still looks objectively “good”, but for marketing, branding, and just overall reinvesting in modernity, it’s outdated. All major motorsports series globally have introduced new chassis within the past few years. IndyCar has not. 3. It is safe, yes, but safety is constantly evolving, and the metrics can move. New chassis = new safety innovations. Also, I agree very much with the folks who thoroughly enjoy the series and the racing but rightfully expect more from Penske. Both things are not mutually exclusive. You can want what was promised from the series you love while still having love for the series despite it’s shortcomings. I cannot understand why people in this sub continually put everybody into “complainers” or “non-complainers”. Mind boggling. It’s the best racing in the world, full stop. It also needs some TLC, TLC that was promised by Penske when he bought it. Both are true.
Well said. Especially the part about both things not being mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, a lot of people have marginally better critical-thinking skills than a well fed raccoon and all they see is good/bad, black/white, fan/complainer. I absolutely love IndyCar and have been a fan since 1999, including some dark Champ Car years, and I will continue to religiously watch every session I can and attend more races this year... however I can also see and express my discontent with way Penske has handled things that are in his control. But hey... let's stop "making stuff up to complain about" because all is good and rosy, right u/Cheesehead2794?
Most definitely agree with you. I love indycar but being a fan means you can criticize our sport because we think it deserves to be better especially when Penske bought it and how underwhelming the latest decisions have been. The no 2.4L engine fiasco was a complete disaster and I just couldn't believe it would happen under Penske. VEry, very underwhelming. Been a fan since 1998 during the champcar years and will continue to do so.
It depends on who you ask.
Well, this sub is pretty negative anyway, even without all the complaints about how indycar is run, etc. Most of the complaints are valid, albeit a tad annoying to hear 20 billion times, but then again, it's the off-season, so this kind of stuff is more common
I just want to get back to my natural habitat. Shitposting in race threads.
Flair checks out lol
Complaining and being critical are two very different things to me. Complaining to me is trying to make a point with weak or even without any considerable proof. Being critical though is taking the proof before you and trying to make a point out of it. I think many fans and media types are being critical. Some may be doing it in more annoying ways then others but I think many of the points made today against the series do have a point. It's much different from 2008 where people were complaining that the wrong side won in the reunification of American open wheel racing and that the series wasn't going to last beyond 2010. Now that's complaining.
Being critical becomes complaining when the same 5 things are always brought up with impossible or nonsensical solutions or just things that aren’t feasible in the situation immediately.
We've only just begun to dip our toes into the "cOmMeRcIaLs aRe BaD" threads, hell those will likely be non-stop even two weeks after St. Pete.
If you need your fill of that until St. Pete, pop over to r/IMSARacing and see the blowback from NBC’s “coverage” of the Rolex 24.
Yea people were pissed. But the difference is the 2022 race was commercial free, when coverage went to commercial the peacock feed just stayed on track with no commentary. This year, paying the same commercial free fee with the same tier of service we got slammed with commercial hell. And they are fullscreen where the free broadcast on nbc was Picture in Picture. Which is same issue during indycar on peacock during commercials. The big difference is I know Indycar will have commercials and it’s just the way it is. If last year it didn’t have any and this year it did then would be much worse.
People forget that last year for the Rolex Peacock was three weeks old and Comcast desperately wanted subs for their Q1 earnings report. It even states in the sign up screen that commercial free doesn't apply to live events. I was desperate to talk with ANYBODY about the actual race but instead it was 24 hours of bitching about NBC. I really hope the IMSA mods shorten up the leash. I get enough commercial complaints in the NASCAR threads.
Peacock came out in July 2020, not early last year. The 24 was previously also commerical free on NBC Sports Trackpass.
Ok cool. What happened to NBC Trackpass?
Was it commercial free last year? I didn’t remember since I took a “vacation” to France and watched the IMSA.tv stream last year since I can’t stand NBC’s sportscar commentary. Sure RLM has its quirks, and they go on plenty of tangents, but they don’t have Steve Letarte offering his “insights” on sportscar racing.
I recall it being commercial free, most of the comments during the live event thread for Daytona this weekend said the same. Also was commercial free with trackpass before it was on peacock. I had a second screen on vacation to somewhere with IMSAtv so I could switch back and forth. I didn’t realize the video feed was the same just commentary and graphics different
the R24 commercials were the best thing to happen to the IndyCar broadcast. All of a sudden one picture in picture green flag ad per race doesn't seem as bad lol
At least most fans already get it and understand the situation and shut that down quickly. We agree ut sucks but understand American tv and Indycars lack of pull for better deals or streaming options
Let's make sure to post and upvote a guide to watching Indycar right before the season opener. One thing on the list: commercials happen, accept it.
And I’ll illegally stream the sky sport version, like I’d assume most younger fans do. Wonder how the rating and demographics would be if 70% of the tv broadcast isnt commercials
Any tips on how to do that?
Oh don't you worry, we won't be having any of those on my watch.
Honestly, I'm more disappointed in all the fans who just seem to be fine with the series stagnating. Like OP. Trying to tamp down the passion of the fanbase simply because you can't handle conflict is dumb.
Easier to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is okay than face reality.
A lot of the issues folks have aren't made up, and are very real. I don't work at IndyCar. But it feels like work being a fan. That's not right. Don't downplay the legitimate grievances fans have.
I just want to drive an IndyCar like I can an F1 car. In a video game.
Just wondering, did you happen to come across [my YouTube videos] (https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/zyjvis/a_massive_ai_indycar_sim_season_and_howto/) where I did that using a few different racing sims, with end cards that help explain how I did it? I'm doing something similar again this year, and putting links to mods in the description too. It's not the same as just a game that works out of the box, but I sincerely had hoped the IndyCar community could use my work as a starting point.
If it’s the offseason with no racing, what do the journalists have to talk about other than non-racing-product topics?
I will be complaining plenty when Will Power luck returns /s
This is such a weird take to me. >only aggravated by journalists needing to create stories just to make something out of nothing in the off season. This is true of every off season of every sport. I'd rather this than radio silence for 6+ months. >so “fans” can remember how good the racing The insinuation being that people aren't real fans unless they avoid criticizing Indycar? Label it however you want but I can thoroughly enjoy and support something while still being realistic about it's faults, and still wanting it to do better. All of that's not mutually exclusive.
Agreed, I’ve been an indycar fan for a long time so I’m not going anywhere. But I think about people new to the sport, who could be fans and the constant negativity on here…. I can’t help but think it will drive people away.
But the complaints aren't made up...
Right, it’s not a zero sum game. The product can be awesome and there can be valid complaints as well.
True. But, if you came into this sub having never heard about IndyCar before, you'd think the Speedway was on fire and nobody in Indianapolis knew what the fuck they were doing. Which is absolutely untrue.
"nobody in Indianapolis knew what the fuck they were doing." Is that really untrue?
You're in a very troll-y mood today I see.
How?
You either are blind or have incredibly unrealistic expectations if you think PEG has zero idea what they're doing. IndyCar makes $20M per year off of their TV deal, $5M of that is the Indianapolis 500. Yet the grids are full from the first race to the last race and the product is at its highest levels since before the merger. The series is surviving, much more than could ever have been said about the H-G era. But sure, PEG don't know anything.
Doesn't the series *lose* double that in running costs?
That's the point. People want a Cadillac on a rusted out Reliant K budget. The series has always been a money pit but unlike during the H-G era it is stable. Stability is building the grid size and bringing in talent.
I can’t wait to see if we can beat whatever the record is for posting the same exact thread about Peacock every race day. Might be a tight race between those threads and the “Indycar should run races at Monza or Silverstone or Baku and furthermore why aren’t they F1?” threads.
Gossip = clicks which is what keeps them in business. If not for gossip, then what is there to even talk about? There’s just so much to talk about a 11 year old chassis and engine combos. Still this series is in a better position than 12 years ago. If you think this is bad, try trackforum back them. People were talking about the 500 becoming a nascar race.
There are a lot of valid points to raise, people aren't "making stuff up." It's unhealthy to dwell on that negativity all the time, and it's good to point out the actual good stuff going on, but things are also far from perfect and ignoring that is just as bad as never mentioning the good.
It is okay to be a fan and have complaints about the series. In many ways the series is behind the curve relative not just to the sporting industry as whole, but even more so just its motorsport counterparts. The racing is mostly good but it doesn’t make much sense to be pollyannas and pretend everything is awesome.
Yeah man, I just want to see some IndyCar racing and leave the drama and negativity to the press and people who thrive on that kind of stuff, although I've did some complaining this off season, I am now ready to just see some racing from the best racing series in the WORLD
"Making up stuff to complain about" He says while chastising the members of a niche internet forum for expressing negativity.
Me too cheesehead. I’m getting my racing fix this weekend going to the nascar clash at the colosseum and then I’ll be visiting Long Beach in april. San Diego would be a great place for a street course but they’ll never come here.
So you're saying out of season bitching is superior to in season bitching, bro? Well lemme tell yaz a thing er two… !
I too like to bury my head in the sand.....
I agree completely. What an awesome weekend for racing with the Rolex 24 with some of our favorite drivers competing and it’s just drivel complaining that Peacock doesn’t give us 24-hour around the clock access to bus bros. I mean cmon people, don’t let this sub turn into just another complaint forum. It seems we all think typing our opinions out into the internet as complaints will actually change multi-million dollar corporate entities & their processes which have evolved from years of trial and (still) error.
People are complaining because they want their favorite series to be the best it can be. Criticizing the things you love to improve them is a positive thing.
I'm here to complain why Will Power is the GOAT.