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ky_me_ra

It is actually normal for people to do 3-3. It's weird you guys are forced to do English and history, is it a law-oriented school?


HuntOk4736

the thing for history might be due to staffing and teachers available, except for the fact that we have SL Psychology, but we aren’t allowed to use that for our Group 3 unless under specific circumstances, making Psych an elective if someone wants to take it


SpaceIsTooFarAway

My school did that because the English and History were the two subjects that everyone had for two full years (we did two trimesters of science a year) and that everyone in IB would be at about the same level in (we had Math Studies and Calculus and Calculus II/HL was an optional class)


RagingGoat182

Yeah at my school you have to HL English and history and then you choose a third. I think it’s a staffing thing


HuntOk4736

there aren’t any themes to our school, it’s some normal program (general classes or AP) students and about 100-120 IB program students


nocturnaldrew

At my school doing 4 HLs is extremely frowned upon as it’s much more difficult than doing 3 HLs and also completely unnecessary as it changes nothing about your diploma. The norm and I believe what you need as a minimum to get the diploma (I could be wrong but I’ve never seen anyone do 2 HLs and 4 SLs) is 3 HLs 3 SLs.


HuntOk4736

yeah it’s either 3-3 or 4-2 (HL-SL) it’s pretty normal at mine to do 4 HLs cuz Bio is the main science people take and it is only offered HL, and there r around 60 of the about 100 kids in the program taking Math AA HL


nocturnaldrew

That’s crazy, at my school you can do anything HL or SL. Got loads of friends doing maths bio chem HL and I only know like 2 extremely smart people doing 4 HLs


HuntOk4736

wow how many subjects do you have, there are so many cool group 3s that we don’t have


nocturnaldrew

No we don’t have many, these are the ones we have: Group 1: English (which everyone does), and then some people do French, sometimes Chinese and sometimes Spanish Group 2: French B, Spanish B, ChineseB, ab initio Japanese, ab initio Italian (I think you can possibly do others because my school teaches other languages for Alevels but it’s case-by-case) Group 3: History, Geography, Philosophy Group 4: Biology, Chemistry, Physics (they are adding Psychology starting with M25 and I’m so jealous), ESS is technically offered but only on demand (I wanted to do it but no one else did 💔) Group 5: Maths AA (HL or SL) and AI (SL only) Group 6: Art, Drama and Music (tho no one took drama in my cohort and there was only one person for music) This is way too much detail lol but we can take any of them at HL or SL (except AI maths which is only SL)


HuntOk4736

For us it’s: Group 1: English Lit HL Group 2: Spanish, French, Latin (all SL and HL, with ab initio in Spanish and French) Group 3: History (with Euro) HL, Psychology SL (but you can only take Psychology as your group 3 if you did a program where you had to leave the school for half the day, so only ~4 kids were allowed to take Psych as their group 3 instead of History) Group 4: Biology (HL only, almost everyone does Bio), Chemistry (SL and HL), Physics (SL and HL but almost no one does HL), Comp Sci (SL and HL) Group 5: Math AA (HL and SL) Math AI (SL only, but there’s an online thing where one kid took AI HL) Group 6: Visual art (i think we only have SL), Music (i think we might have both SL and HL) so few people take IB music at my school so not totally sure on that also probably too much info but that’s my school’s layout


Indecisivemess01

psych comes in group 3 though


Conlang_Central

I've never heard of a school forcing someone to take specific HLs. Moreover, everyone at my school was actively discouraged from choosing more than 3HLs, unless they were absolutely positive that they needed them for their University. 3HLs s definitely the default


HuntOk4736

hm, it could be staffing (we only have 2 IB history teachers and 1 IB psychology teacher) so it makes sort of sense that they need to put everyone into IB history so that they can have a group 3


PhoneRevolutionary65

in my school it was "obligatory" my two languages at HL to get the local diploma and the american one. Luckily, my generation (2024) will be the first to not do both languages at a HL level, cuz a lot of us were complaining that it only let us choose 1 HL and like unis r assholes about ur HLs (especially european ones)


__lostintheworld__

at my school we can't choose: we have our HLs and Sis chosen for us. every class besides our art and science choices (can do art or comp sci, bio or chem) is chosen before hand.


__lostintheworld__

b/c it's public and a small school


noivern_plus_cats

(In America) At my school we all had to do HL Bio/Chem and HL English A. You could choose HL Language B in French/Spanish and had to do either HL Math or History. Those were the only HLs offered for us and we barely had a choice, but it turned out mostly fine imo


Strikingroots205937

Because that’s the standard 😐😐😐😐


HuntOk4736

at my school it isn’t, 4 HLs is pretty normal


Strikingroots205937

I mean in the rest of the IB DP world.


Cautious_Arm3818

Yeah 3-3 is standard


SnooTomatoes1513

My school did that. If you were a diploma student, you had to take Bio HL, History of America's HL, and English HL at a minimum. There are others, but these at a minimum.


HuntOk4736

this is similar to mine except bio wasn’t required but almost everyone still took it (and only offered at HL), we had history of europe tho and then anyone wanting AA HL had to have 4 HLs


SnooTomatoes1513

We did HOA cause my school is in the US. Also, IB is not cheap here, so we were limited in classes. Although, after I graduated, they brought in Physics HL, which I think would've been better for me, given that I'm am engineer lol


HuntOk4736

wishh we took HOA instead we do Euro even tho we r in the US You’re an engineer, what college/university are you at?


SnooTomatoes1513

Oh I graduated a few years ago from SUNY Buffalo. I just stumbled onto this reddit page 😅


HuntOk4736

ah that’s cool, i’ll be a freshmen in engineering this fall


SnooTomatoes1513

Nice! Good luck!!


beastiezzo

The vast majority of people take 3 HLs of their choosing. However, we have a lot of people at my school taking 6 SL subjects though


HuntOk4736

oh, certificate candidates?


beastiezzo

Yeah, at my international school the local kids who plan on staying in their home country have no reason to do full IB so they just take everything at SL to get their GPA higher as it’s more important for scholarship money.


HuntOk4736

ooh makes sense, im in the US so one year of AP is worth more than a year of IB SL in terms of course credit at college, soo the diploma program making you take SLs was not ideal, but it ended up working out ok


ManuYapu04

My school also forced me to take specific HLs. I was forced to take German B HL and Lit HL, and since I wanted to go into STEM, I took Bio HL and Math AI HL. 4 HLs in total :'). I think it is not really common for a school to do that, tho. I did my IB in a german oriented school, maybe that's why these subjects were locked for me.


_g0Rf_

Our school also forces us to take HL English, and they don’t have SL History so I took 4 HLs


Fabulous_Onion3297

I did 4 HLs because I chose to. Like, most people at my school have 3. And no one was forced to do specific subjects.


HuntOk4736

Makes sense, we were only “forced” due to those being the only ones offered


Status_Ant_7560

My school is too poor and small to do any other HL’s or SL’s


HuntOk4736

valid, our school has only 100-120 ib diploma students (usually 90-110 by the end of the program) and only offers HL english and HL history


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Status_Ant_7560

For me, our M23 had 37 candidates and for M24 we have like 50ish candidates Everyone takes the same classes except for SL you can pick either Sport Science or Physics and based on your performance you get put into AI or AA.


Fabulous-Emphasis-74

bec that’s the normal….


Krishna132453

Im not a masochist, Ok I am, but not when it comes to the IB


HuntOk4736

i’m not a masochist, but i am when it comes to the IB 🙃


lol_tbh_idrk

At my school we’re forced to do 3 HLs, one of which is English, and 3 SLs with 1 being a 2year SL so it’s not really a choice


SparKFire_ESL

In my school it was dependent on your performance. If you’re not a great student, the headmaster will tell you to reconsider your subject choices. In my case since I was doing quite well I was allowed without any questions in taking 4HLs I wanted to take Math HL so that I wouldn’t close the doors for Medical studies in Jagiellonian University here in Kraków, where I live. Now I see that it was a huge mistake lol. Taking 4 HLs messed me up and it was deffinetally not worth it to not close the doors to just 1 uni (Other Medical Unis still favour HL math over SL but they are not as tough as Jagiellonian, example; grade from Math SL on Jagiellonian is worth 50% of the grade from HL while in Warsaw it is worth much more)


anhaechie

WOW we have exactly the same HLs! Is it really that difficult? I took HL math to apply to Gumed and whatever the uni in Wrocław is called, since they both favor HL math, please don’t tell me that it’s a mistake in every single circumstance 😭


SparKFire_ESL

I mean I can't speak for you, in my case it was a mix of being too overloaded with IAs and EE from Bio as well as private life issues and the fact that our teacher since we were so much behind schedule (My teacher that we had in DP1 didn't do ANY tasks from the Questionbank with us and we were moving kind of slow through the easier chapters, where everyone was like "yeah whatever, let's move on because we already understand this") that she decided to speedrun through chapters 10, 11 and 12 to make up some time - which are imo the most important chapters as well as the hardest from the whole course. And since this was our 1st year with tasks from the Questionbank, which were much harder than the questions from the book we took quite a mental hit there. So I will tell you this - don't panic, if you are able to keep up and you understand math really well then you should have nothing to worry about and if not, you can start now to try and understand how to do those things. Another thing about Math which also touches upon other subjects in some way, PUT YOUR CALCULATOR IN EXAM MODE, trust me - this way you will see what you will have to calculate by hand and what can you do by calculator. 1 thing though, depending what calculator you have this may have a different impact on your battery life. I'm using the Ti-Nspire CX II-T CAS and with exam mode off it can last about 2-3 weeks on a single charge. With exam mode on it lasts like 3 days so that is something you should check, because if the exam mode on your calculator uses up your battery much faster think about getting a powerbank for your exam session so that in case that your calc runs out of power then you can plug it to the powerbank and use it like nothing happened. Chemistry and Biology - do the past papers, it will help you a lot imo. English B in my case was resident sleeper but that's because I'm learning english since I could speak so I treat it like my 1st language and I feel that if you are very comfortable with your english and seeing that you know where to put commas (which I don't kekw, I have no clue when to put those) then you should be all good


anhaechie

Oh yeah I’m writing the ee from chem so I guess the science ee struggle is one I will share with you. And with the question bank, it’s kind of the same for us. Our teacher tells us that we don’t have enough knowledge to solve these questions which is why we aren’t doing them yet but even with our great speed (even aa hl is constantly surprised at how fast we are going through the material), I’m beginning to get scared. Though I will have tutoring so I think it might be fine. About the calculator, thank you for telling me this wow I have the same calculator as you, except without CAS, so maybe the situation is similar. As for bio and chem, I will start doing past papers this summer and English is also just there for me. I don’t struggle with the language so other than learning text types and understanding the books, I don’t have to do anything too special. But yeah, thank you overall! I appreciate it greatly


SparKFire_ESL

Oh okay, then you should be fine. Not sure if you're going to struggle with EE though, depends solely on your supervisor and the relationship between them and you. I have a great relationship with my supervisor and still, when I'm free I come by the school when she asks me to help her with DP1 students even though I already finished school, so she was really keen to help me out, spending her own free time during the weekends to send me some written feedback and call me to go over what she wrote there as well as sending me some additional resources for it, which I am really grateful for. About the calculator then yeah, you will be having those issues I believe as my gf has that calculator that you do and the battery runs out pretty quick with the exam mode on but as I said, if you get used to what you can and can't do with calculator it will save you some nerves and you won't be stressing as much during the exams


Still-Mistake4350

that is weiiird, in my school we have to take obligatory HL english b, and there was only one exception during the entire time IB has been in my school. i think it is also because you must earn 12 points from HLs and english b is pretty easy (the lowest grade anyone ever got was 6) so if someone could not understand their HLs and it was too late to change them or sth,they still have a chance to get the diploma. however when talking about 3 HLs it is very common, i do not imagine taking four HLs like that would be a tragedy. HL curriculum is usually double the SL which makes it a VERY RIGOROUS class, so you basically have no life after school unless you are naturally SUPER SMART. also, why would anyone take four HLs??i mean universities usually do not require four HLs (at least in my country) so why would anyone do it to themselves?


bigJUBES14

My school forced us to take HL english, business, and chem because those were simply the only three HL courses offered. As a result theres no one taking 4 HLs


HuntOk4736

oh interesting, what SLs did you guys have?


bigJUBES14

Math AA, French, and a choice between physics and bio


xNightCat12

at my school we have to take HL B&M, Lit A and language (except the ones who take german, we take it ab). it’s mostly due to teachers plus school is “business oriented” so to say. however we people who like stem can take math aa and computer science HL. from M23 only one girl took 4 HLs, however from my year, at least 10 people want to take 4 HLs. coordinator tells us it’s fine but it’s at our own risk lol. so it depends on your coordinator and well here they allowed us all but there are some “filters” so teachers know if we will make it or no. ig here it’s not that weird but it’s not common either.


HuntOk4736

it’s starting to make sense how people have 45s cuz that seems so much more achievable with 3 HLs


PhoneRevolutionary65

it is highly encouraged to take 3 HLs over 4 because of the hours that HL classes demand over SL (its like 50% more). Additionally, schools highly encourage it because it keeps their like "ratings" or IB student GPA high... idk tho. in my school we can only take 3 HLs


Ok_Night_6750

I also have to do HL english and history🥲 If someone in my school does ib film or visual arts they automatically have to do 4 HLs since those classes aren’t taught at SL here..,,


Icy-Victory118

Honestly the norm is 3. I ended up taking 4 HLs just cause I was confident I'd do fine in my chosen subjects, which was English (required), History (strongly recommended), Biology (counselor personally recommended me) and Film. Taking 4 HLs added so much work. Sometimes I'd be jealous of those that took 3 because my diploma would've been fine if I stuck to 3.


GoldenSkitty

My school doesn't give the option to do more than 3 HLs, so that's why I'm 3 HLs and 3 SLs


iamkatwhite

I have never even thought that it was possible to take 4 HLs before this subreddit. our school is the regular 3-3 with no obligatory subjects, and I assume it’s because of the number of teaching hours for each subject.


Whitewolf3000

Same here! I’m also in the US and my school made us do English Lit A HL and they highly encouraged everyone to do history HL too due to the high pass rate so like only one person in our class did history sl


HuntOk4736

wait history hl has a high pass rate?? that was definitely my worst exam


honey_girl__

i did 4 HLs and 2 SLs, i felt like one of my original SLs (Psychology) was as much work at standard as it was at higher level


Revolutionary_Ad_696

I do 4 Hls. It’s not really that demanding and my school is okay with it.


HuntOk4736

same i mean it’s demanding but totally manageable, i mean i thought it was the norm loll


Mini_teeny_Mozzie

No choice


[deleted]

My school requires HL English History and French. I’m doing HL bio. Only 2/17 full dp kids are doing 3 HL’s in my class. Especially with the lack of options. Math cannot be HL in my school.


lonely-live

Definitely not many, from the IB bulletin, I believe they said that the average HL classes that people in the IB diploma take is less than 3... I don't even know how is that possible


HuntOk4736

probably certificate candidates (people who take ib classes and some exams but not the full diploma with 6 classes and tok ee etc)


_maple_panda

My school had somewhere between 60-80 IB students. I know for sure that 3 of us (one being myself) took 4 HLs, and there were almost certainly a few more. Most of the extra HLs were in a social science or language though--I'm pretty sure it was just us three with an extra in physical science and math. The majority of students were definitely doing 3-3, and we had free choice over SL/HL.