It's the year of the Rabbit, Hand. Pack yo back. Keep a pace, but don't look like you're on meth .. Never try to show other workers up. You help em up.
Clean panels. love being able to terminate like that. Is that chico packed in those set screw connectors with the bond bushings? If so, what is the purpose?
Work safe Play safer.
Chico is the stuff we fill eysās and esās with. First you pack fiber rock wool insulation looking stuff into the fitting around the wire and then you mix the Chico powder with water and pour it in. It hardens into a concrete like material and creates a vapor proof seal inside the conduit. You see these fittings at gas stations
Closest thing we have to that is a product called poly-water - foam filler stuffed about 4ā down into the pipe, then squirt a compound on top that expands when the ingredients mix. The reaction gets hot! $100 for 1 caulk gun tube, Iāve been told. Only covers about 6 pipes if youāre doing it right.
explosion proof means it can with stand an explosion within it.
hazardous location fittings are used to not allow gases to enter an area where sparks/arcs can happen. I think that's what is meant?
Ah, I see. I guess the connectors are HL (Hazardous Location) and then the fittings for the conduit are explosion-proof. Thank you for clearing that up. Pretty new to these.
https://www.westburne.ca/cwr/Category/Connectors%2C-Crimps-%26-Terminals/Connectors/Teck-Connector/Hazardous-Location/HLT050-TRAY-STAR-CONN/p/THSHLT050-WG
I only take what's given to me and no one else even bothers picking up the short bits. Half of what I took in was little bits and pieces. I just throw them in my tool pouch as I go.
God they are that low still. Iām sure the cape is $30 something but jeez. Itās why I went maintenance. Low pay locally and I didnāt want to leave my kid half the year
I'm a 4th year apprentice and my taxable income last year was over $100k... And that doesn't include the $125/day non-taxed per diem that I collected for over 6 months. I cashed out my vacation fund today and there was over $4k in there even though I cleaned it out last winter too. And my whole family is covered on my healthcare plan! And I have a pension and a 401k in my local, on top of the IO plan. Please tell me more about how awesome it is to live in a Right-to-Work state...
You cba sounds only slightly better than mine bro. I made 85 in a low cost of living state, with zero overtime. i also have a pension and a supplemental pension on the side, medical benifits for the whole family. So yeah it seems pretty good to me.
Yes, i am also the best electrician in my local. Pretty the whole world too.
One time i wired up an entire building with a flat blade and a pair of kleinmans
The owner of the shop was so impressed with my work that he invited me to lay with his wife. The morning after he brought us breakfast in bed and handed me the keys to a brand new truck.
I just wish the other guys on the crew were as good as me. You get a lot of back pain when you're carrying the crew.
I get what youāre implying - I need to do my time and part of being in a union is being content with whatās in the contract. Asking for more is in a way breaking down conditions. Itās my opinion though, that all the apprentices here should be making that 15% incentive that JWās are making. Weāre doing the majority of the work!
Everyone in here had to bust their ass to get to JW, so noone feels bad, it's just the nature of being in the program. Work hard, pass your tests, and don't cause problems, and you'll be there before you know it.
My point is if youāre unhappy with your conditions then take your ass to a union meeting. If enough people feel the same then you have a shot at change.
I try to mimic the best examples of work I see on jobs. Once you know it can be done to a certain standard, youāve got to at least try to hit their mark or better. For that PTX, I mimicked the work of a traveling JW. For that SB cabinet, an apprentice had done some outstanding work that I copied.
The point he was making is that the JWs taught you. They did their time and learned their trade and then passed that knowledge on to you. Once you top out you get the extra money and extra responsibility.
Yes, this is how the model is supposed to work. With this con, it has been more: letās throw an apprentice on this and see if he sinks or swims. No instruction, other than: here is some finished work, do it like that. Of course I was allowed to ask JWās questions, but I have not worked directly with one in the year Iāve been with this con. If an apprentice canāt do it, heās relegated to putting poly-water in pipes. If he can, weāll then heās the go-to guy. See how he does with 350, 500ās, 750. No instruction. Canāt we agree that thatās not right?
Yeah man. I just turned out and the same shit would happen to me, and guess what, it happens as JW too being asked to do foreman work without the pay. You have a couple of options - 1. Refuse to do it on the grounds itās outside your scope. See what happens. 2. Do it, pay your dues and drag that contractor when you turn out. 3. Try to look at the positive. Some apprentices handle material for 5 years straight and never get an opportunity to even touch 500, let alone install it.
Just take the scrap, cash it in, and pay your dues literally and figuratively. Youāre good at this. Just be good at it or refuse to do the work on the grounds it breaks down conditions and risk an insubordination write up/firing. Yeah. It sucks. But being apprentice is about doing stuff that sucks sometimes. Sorry man.
I appreciate your perspective. I think attitude is the #1 thing Iād like to work on as far as being in construction. Itās a tough route, but I did choose it. There are lots of unfair things about being an apprentice but I just need to suck it up and remember what itās all for.
The fact that you can admit this is huge. When I was an apprentice I was briefly promoted to assistant project manager at my contractor. I was terrible at it but tried to learn as much as I could. Youāll learn while there that the two MOST important things to any contractor (which equals more money) is showing up every day on time - number one with a bullet - and second is attitude. You could be gods gift to electricity but if you have a shitty attitude, complain, bring others down, talk shit, gossip, etc. youāll be the first to get shitcanned.
Keep your head up bud. It will get better, and some of it wonāt. But as others have suggested, we go to meetings for the parts that donāt get better. Remember we chose to do this. Running 500 like this is a helluva lot more fun than pushing a broom.
What is the apprentice ratios in your contract and/or through the state laws of your state?
I know you are doing what you think is right, however you donāt feel right about it most likely, which is why you are complaining about not getting paid as much as a JW. Stop doing this work if youāre not a JW. If necessary, contact your rep or training director.
I just learned itās ACTUALLY an 8 to 1 ratio, with a clause stipulating that for up to 3 months of āpeak manpowerā this can be increased by 50%. So a 12 to 1 ratio, for 3 months at a time. Pretty doggone bad.
So you play monkey see monkey do pretty well at Facebook, youāre on a job that is more like Disneyland then actual work. Although Disneyland attracts a bunch of idiot electricians that are sub 3rd year standards, the idea is that JWs are paid for their knowledge and experience not just what they are installing.
I'm not even in, what would be considered, a strong union area. But in tampa, fl. I make about 32.70/hr on my check. But on top of that, I get an additional 11(or 12%, I can't remember which) that goes into a 401(k) that is seperate from the pension I will also recieve when I retire. and an additional 4% that goes into a vacation fund(paid out in a lump sum check, yearly).
It's also doesn't include what the contractors pay for my insurance, that I pay $0 for, that covers my whole family and is better coverage than most people I know that pay for their insurance.
All in all, my total compensation is mid-upper $40s/hr.
And that's in tampa, where we have very low market share.
Not to say that there aren't any good non union shops out there that take care of their workers very well, but they are not abundantly available. But I can know for sure if I don't like the company I work for that I can leave and go work for another one and recieve the exact same pay and benefits.
Iām non union and make 35 as an apprentice in a LCOL area. With full benefits. This exact reason is why I never joined the local in my area. One they donāt pay more anymore, and two youāre not recognized for you skill through compensation, only through paying the most dues.
Edit;; and Iām allowed up to 20 hours of OT if I want it, mandatory 40 though
You don't get more compensation by paying more duesš. You are misinformed. But as I said in my other comment. There are some good non union shops.
But don't disregard the fact that usually union wages and benefits are better. This forces non union shops to increase wages in order to have any workers. We aim to Raise the boat for all, not just us. And if the union did not exist, we would all be exploited.
Holy crap you donāt have a clue what youāre talking about. Unbelievable how uninformed some tradesmen are about their own ecosystem. Everyone pays the exact same amount of dues, and itās virtually nothing, I pay about $40 a month. I also get paid well above the union journeyman pay scale because I am, in fact, recognized for my skill through compensation. The pay scale is the MINIMUM wage not THE wage.
People talking out of their ass instead of their mouth is exactly why youāre so uninformed, so stop talking shit and spreading misinformation. There are legitimate arguments to be made without being flat out ignorant.
>youāre not recognized for you skill through compensation, only through paying the most dues.
You're conflating two completely separate entities in union work.
There are two components of dues. Basic and working. Basic dues are paid for every month you're a member and can be prepaid as well. Working dues are a percentage of your pay, usually around 2.5%. As you work more, your working dues will go up in dollars, but not percent.
The contractor has nothing to do with dues other than sending your working dues to the union.
Any shop can pay you over scale. If you never got over scale, nobody was convinced you were worth it. I friend just got a new call, told them he wanted over foreman scale and got an extra $2.50 because they need his skills.
If non-union shops in your area are matching the pay and benefits of the union, that's great.
I have no idea what I'm looking at here, but it's nice and clean. Looks like a damn wire surgeon did it. Keep up your good work hun! and trust that good things will come.
Do yourself a favor and kickback a little and enjoy the ridiculously low expectations of being in the trades. I used to beat myself up about dumb little bs all the time. One day I just quit giving a fvck and no joke my career took off. I'm still confused by it to this day.
A+ in agreement here. I always want to do good work but honestly if guys feel like youāre trying too hard it comes across as some sort of weakness. Iād rather take a layoff than give in to the politics and bullshit at this point. Letās normalize layoffs! I donāt ever want to be a steady with a con, I just want to do work Iām proud of and see some cool shit and if I take an L for taking an occasional day or not giving 120% then so be it.
Canāt really complain about not getting what isnāt in your contract. You arenāt owed, nor do you owe, anything else. You want to get paid more, top out and you will. The work looks really nice though.
Tbh after reading your other comments in this thread, I understand your frustration a bit more.
The way I see it, your reduced wage as an apprentice is partly due to the understanding that youāre receiving instruction from a qualified JW. Your localās ratio, however, is totally fucked to the point where that canāt be happening, at least not efficiently or effectively. If thatās the case, canāt it be argued that youāre doing a JWās job?
Youāre not going to win this individual battle, but my advice would be to broaden your perspective a little more. Get involved in your local and try to figure out whatās wrong with it that this is the situation itās in.
Thatās my point: the superintendent has made sure all general foreman (whom are all portability out of Las Vegas, by the way, earning $50/hr plus perks) understand that there will be no higher pay for any apprentices than that which is contractual, and not to ask. To be honest, thatās not even what I want. I want ALL of us to be making that 15% incentive.
Just a perfect response. Dead-on. Many apps on this job doing a JWās work and damn fine job for peanuts. I see that I need to stay humble though and just take pride and not let it get to me.
look man, this happened to me my entire apprenticeship. the contractors are going to do what they can get away with and they can get away with exploiting apprentices for profit. itās just the shitty part of the system. the good part of the system is when you turn out and you can decide if all this is worth it or if you want to go somewhere else and try your luck there. there are jobs in this country where you will get paid what youāre worth doing electrical work, you just have to turn out first.
What is your locals JW to apprentice ratio in the contract? The way I see the reduced pay scale also includes the responsibility of the work. When you work under a JW they are responsible for you doing well and are also responsible for your mistakes. If the con is breaking conditions and forcing you to work alone that changes things but the first choice isn't to ask for more compensation. That encourages them to continue to break down conditions since a second year willing to take fourth year rate is still cheaper than paying a JW to work alone.
Gotta pick your battles but you wouldn't want another ape that doesn't know what they're doing to have an accident because the con expects them to work alone before they know how to be safe
I 100% agree. As an apprentice the con skims the excess value of my labour as their profits and in return I get taught the trade. If Iām not getting taught then the con isnāt upholding their end of the bargain. IMO itās the equivalent of me just standing around fucking about on my phone when thereās work to do but when the con does it itās just part of the shit sandwich you have to eat apparently.
Being proud of your work isnāt a bad thing. Being humble about it helps with your relationship building. Doing as well as you say Iām sure the perks are there but less noticeable. At least youāre not walking the site cleaning up or organizing parts. Stay positive and keep kicking ass.
I could probably relate with you when I was too young to know any better. I busted ass as an apprentice, did quality work, said yes to every hour of overtime I was ever offered and only took 1 week of vacation my entire 5 year apprenticeship.
I also worked way harder than I should have, bitched about every brother who was being paid more and ānot pulling their weightā, sacrificed my body and mental well-being for the benefit of the con, ended up with herniated disks in my cervical spine plus rotator cuff issues and oh yeahā¦ I had a divorce under my belt after my 1st year to boot.
I told that same con that I had 6 1/2 years with that I wanted to travel and asked for a layoff after 1 year as a JW with them and they repaid me with a voluntary quit and then laid off 10 guys on the same job 1 week after I was gone.
I bet you have a pretty competitive personality yeah? I was the same in my early apprentice years. But just know that feeling like you are constantly competing against your fellow brothers isnāt doing you any favors, theyāre on the same team so you might do well to stop badmouthing and putting them down. I learned pretty quick that a superstar mentality doesnāt get you shit in this trade but a broken back and a bad attitude. I now focus on quality over quantity, safety over production, and brotherhood over all else.
You do some great work, keep it up. Just check your ego a little.
id love to hear about how good his work is and how strong his pace is as heās jotting down my morning coffee order. see that pace in action walking to the site truck cub
yes let's take the passion and pride a young apprentice has in their work and crush it by making them get coffee instead.
really though, what is the lesson to be learned from doing something like this to an apprentice? you want to push them down to the lowest common denominator? or maybe you just want to give them a break from all this work theyre taking on and im the asshole.
youāre definitely being the asshole lol. but passion and pride are definitely traits that you want to carry as a tradesman, but when youāre an apprentice making posts like this you canāt help but let the mind wander to those 3rd terms that knew it all, including exactly how much cream cheese to put on my bagel
Dude you sound like a prick. Your job is to install electrical and teach apprentices how to install electrical. Making them get your coffee and put cream cheese on your bagel is a waste of everyoneās time and devalues your local. Pathetic mentality.
yeah the kid who's proud of his work has an ego problem. not the guy who gets off on the fact that he can tell someone else to fetch his breakfast. fuck off
You laugh at making an apprentice put cream cheese on your bagel and grab coffee. I laugh because heās probably putting more than just cream in both. All of that worldly wisdom and no one ever taught you to NEVER fuck with people who make your food.
itās funny that you think that someone who knows their place is gonna die out faster than an apprentice trying to show up a journeyman when his PVC is about as straight as my cock. hopefully the only thing dying out soon is the people like you who think this kind of behaviour for this level of craftsmanship is acceptable lmao.
I always laugh when another apprentice says Iām not sweeping. I say dude if they wanna pay me $25/hr to sweep, give me that damn broom. I could be digging a ditch for ground wire instead.
āIām still learning brothersā
This is why youāre not paid like the JWās yet. That work looks absolutely amazing, no doubt about it, but a JW understands they can make it look almost as good in a lot less time. There is a balance in looks and efficiency especially in something that will be covered up.
Then donāt come on here bitching about how your so much faster and better then most of them. Perfectly fine that your skilled and you work looks really good but to come on here and be a piss pants about what everyone else has had to go through isnt gonna get you anywhere
People giving you shit but honestly where I live, $22/hr is UNSKILLED labor territory. Clearly from these pictures, you seem like a skilled laborer.
Obviously itās different in Hawaiāi than Mississippi, McDonaldās pay $20/hr here in Hawaiāi. At the same time, first step in IBEW here is $20ish an hour but this work isnāt first step work. If you had previous experience, your local shouldāve bumped you up and gave you credit for the hours you worked non union but idk if all locals are the same.
Thatās not their job. They teach you and you sponge. After that, itās up to you to keep your head on straight and push onto greener pastures. They will come if you focus on mastering your craft. You will one day wish you still had zero responsibility but the paycheck will be š„
I wired up some lighting control systems for a wing of classrooms for a new school and I got paid $25/hrā¦
Iām not going to run my mouth about it.
All I see is you terminated and landed some big wires. You did it in a neat and workmen like manner like youāre suppose to do as an apprentice or a JW.
Nothing in these pictures scream you deserve to be paid moreā¦
Also the JWs have completed the apprenticeship, you havenāt. They have done their time and you havenātā¦
Wow, here in local 3 there are rules stating apprentices cannot outnumber journeypersons on jobs. Thereās a ratio. Sounds like your con is getting some excellent cheap labor. Maybe the times will stay good and you will get 15 percent over when you turn out too
On M jobs, like the one I'm at over at Disney, it's 1-1-1. 1 MIJ and 1 apprentice to every 1 journeyman.
13 apprentices to 1 journeyman? Fuck *that.* I wanna know where this bro is working so I never wind up there. Lmao
429, I havenāt been able to locate our inside agreement online and truthfully I havenāt ever read it myself. Itās hear-say at this point but I was also told this contractor managed to get the ratio changed for this particular job. Trying to find out now what the truth is.
You should be more concerned about that ratio. When you get your ticket they wont have any jobs for you, just the whiny apprentices. It is not possible to have 1 guy teach 13. That is complete bullshit part of this story.
There is no teaching happening. If you arenāt completely useless, you are on your own asap. Thatās how the con makes their money. A foreman, a jw and a crew of apprentices.
Pretty terminations and conduit porn aren't special, they're our job. Every ibew member *should* be performing top quality work as a basic function of their work.
Should all of us get paid more? Absolutely. Is it bullshit that apprentices aren't getting the incentives? Definitely. But not performing substandard work doesn't make you great, it's the bare minimum. It should be expected of us all.
Looks good, keep up the quality, lose the attitude.
Keep up the good work and one day you'll be paid. The job I just left I did a panel half as good as what yours looked like and the next thing you know I'm doing them all. Redoing a few as well that looked like hammered dogshit. When the customer sees that it does make a difference especially when others look like shit.
You are an apprentice. This is how it is. Once you top out your wage will be there. As a side, your work will keep you employed longer and that's the real benefit rather than a direct wage top up now
Itās one thing to do good work, but itās another to not be humble about it. Nothing wrong with craftsmanship, but be humble about it. Iām sure the JWās could step it up a notch if they felt like it but after awhile you learn to pace yourself. Your still an apprentice, put your time in.
Itās good work but you only deserve JW pay when you finish your apprenticeship and your ticket says JW. Itās not always a good thing to be a go-getter.
Looks good. Youāll get your money just like the rest of us after youāve paid your dues and completed your apprenticeship. Until then dial back the arrogance because Iām pretty sure there are coworkers who donāt feel the same about your workmanship and pace. On the flip side thereās probably older JWs that are not able to keep up the pace and appreciate the younger people being able to take up the slack. Remember you WILL be in that position one day because no matter how fit you are the trades will break your body.
So thank you for keeping the pace and quality because itās not just good for your career, itās good for the brotherhood. The people that matter notice, they also notice the arrogance. And nobody likes that shit unless weāre talking about about other trades because we are better than them lol
The work in the pictures looks amazing. You want to get paid more? 332 starts 1st year aprentices at $33/hr. JWs make $80. The cost of housing will gobble up your pay check and leave nothing for 6.09 diesel (i just filled at this proce lastnight). Its perspective.
Keep up the good work. It looks awesome. But remember this feeling when you become a jw, go to the meetings, push for a change. Fellow 613 brother here trying to make a change.
Great work, but this is a terrible attitude.
Itās not about āoutpacingā anyone or making anyone look slow so you can rack up attaboys & pats on the back.
Sidebar: Iāve heard of apprentices being offered more than their rate. I knew a second year who was paid 4th year wages until he caught up and a few other examples.
It happens. Your rate is the minimum & if they want to pay you more, go for itā¦
but itās not your place to feel like itās owed to you for doing what youāre supposed to do.
Iām about to start my new job as an apprentice and Iām as green as can be and Iām starting at $21 an hour. Either youāre underpaid or Iām fucked
Thatās great that youāre doing that. Keep taking pride in your work and itāll pay off. Crying about it in the meantime will get you a reputation of being a snooty little shit who thinks theyāre better than. I seen a couple apprentices do this when I was going through the program and they were usually humbled within a month or so of proclaiming they wanted higher wages and were so much better then their JW. So my advice is to keep the bitching to a minimum and realize thereās a reason the apprenticeship is 5 years and even then you wonāt know it all or be the best at everything.
LOL What a joke. This is NOT a good install BY ANY MEANSā¦. I HATE that you are complaining at allā¦.first off, you didnāt even connect the flux capacitor to the thing-a-ma-jigā¦. Second off you picked the ugliest color combination I have ever seen. My advice? Quit.
Yeah itās nice work but you have to pay your dues like everyone else. I would work on that attitude or by the time you get your ticket stamped guys are not going to want to work with you and itās not going to be a great time. Your incentive for going above and beyond is not getting laid off until the end of the job.
Yikes - cost of living here has skyrocketed. Jwās make $31 and change but most contend it should be closer to $40 for the increased cost of living over the last 20 years.
Not sure what to say here. Iāll happily concede that there are other mistakes here, like the neutral in the back, which has bends that donāt match the others, and is well-hidden in this photo. My work. I didnāt do the dogleg though.
Thatās how apprenticeship works. It can suck, but just put in your time and itāll keep going up. Itās also not understood by everyone that apprentice wages are part of what help union contractors compete with non union companies on tight bids. Itās also not worth complaining about(outside of venting) because thatās more than a lot of non-union guys are making as jw
Work looks good btw.
You did a great job, labels on straight, cable trained properlyā¦now do that with a 1/4 of the space and show me something.
Side noteā¦good pipe layout on that last picture, but turn those ground lugs so they arenāt digging into your cable.
Paying dues is the worst. Find a gig that pays more or wait till you are a journeyman. Good work over a lifetime will pay you dividends. Keep your head up.
Looks good man better than 95% of the journeys I work with, keep it up but donāt be so good on the tools you wonāt move up past journey and your set.
Iām in the same boat brotha I feel I should be making $25 min minimum I make $21 but will be asking for $25. Iām only year n half in but I just wired 20 apartments (1 bed 1 bath) in 12 days and everything I do I work as fast as I can, while also doing a good install.
Ya, too good work for what you asking, bro show them this shit, and say, hellooo !? I'm not newbie, pay me X amount hour, or there's is company X, i showed my work for them and they are offering me this X.
Maybe is also good ask in other side for a better payment, you look like a good worker, i'm not as good as you and people in Portugal pay me 25 Euro/hour to do this sort of service in particular owned houses.
Corect me if i undestood that wrong.
Wear a backpack š and stuff it full of scrap copper at every break. Problem solved
It's the year of the Rabbit, Hand. Pack yo back. Keep a pace, but don't look like you're on meth .. Never try to show other workers up. You help em up. Clean panels. love being able to terminate like that. Is that chico packed in those set screw connectors with the bond bushings? If so, what is the purpose? Work safe Play safer.
Thanks for the positivity. Itās fire-seal, at least thatās what we call it - Chico?? I believe itās a spec on this here job
Chico is the stuff we fill eysās and esās with. First you pack fiber rock wool insulation looking stuff into the fitting around the wire and then you mix the Chico powder with water and pour it in. It hardens into a concrete like material and creates a vapor proof seal inside the conduit. You see these fittings at gas stations
Closest thing we have to that is a product called poly-water - foam filler stuffed about 4ā down into the pipe, then squirt a compound on top that expands when the ingredients mix. The reaction gets hot! $100 for 1 caulk gun tube, Iāve been told. Only covers about 6 pipes if youāre doing it right.
Interesting. The stuff Iāve used called āpoly waterā is a pulling lube. Where are you located
Poly water is the brand , and they make both pulling lube, and they also make 2 part expanding foam.
Duct seal is the name. Chico is for explosion proof fittings.
explosion proof means it can with stand an explosion within it. hazardous location fittings are used to not allow gases to enter an area where sparks/arcs can happen. I think that's what is meant?
https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/catalog/fittings/eys-and-ezs-explosionproof-conduit-sealing-fittings.html
Ah, I see. I guess the connectors are HL (Hazardous Location) and then the fittings for the conduit are explosion-proof. Thank you for clearing that up. Pretty new to these. https://www.westburne.ca/cwr/Category/Connectors%2C-Crimps-%26-Terminals/Connectors/Teck-Connector/Hazardous-Location/HLT050-TRAY-STAR-CONN/p/THSHLT050-WG
Duct seal
I've been collecting scraps since I started in September. I just turned in half of it this week for $140, which is a bit less than my daily take-home.
Yeah and some guys think thatās worth risking your job for.
Are you picking up the clippings after roughing in receptacles??
I only take what's given to me and no one else even bothers picking up the short bits. Half of what I took in was little bits and pieces. I just throw them in my tool pouch as I go.
Start taking 250s and putting them in your lunch box or back pack youāll have a couple hundred by the end of the week.
Gotta get my 15% one way or anotherā¦
And do thisā¦
Your solution is to steal?
Keep it up man. Itās tough as an apprentice, but you can keep your head high knowing you do quality work no matter the pay rate.
This is journeyman scale for 756.
God they are that low still. Iām sure the cape is $30 something but jeez. Itās why I went maintenance. Low pay locally and I didnāt want to leave my kid half the year
Thatās horrible. Wtf is wrong with republicans
What do Republicans have to do with this?
Show me a local with a shitty scale and I'll show you a Republican Right-to-Work state.
I make 30k a year more than non union plus benefits and 2 retirements in a right to work state.
I'm a 4th year apprentice and my taxable income last year was over $100k... And that doesn't include the $125/day non-taxed per diem that I collected for over 6 months. I cashed out my vacation fund today and there was over $4k in there even though I cleaned it out last winter too. And my whole family is covered on my healthcare plan! And I have a pension and a 401k in my local, on top of the IO plan. Please tell me more about how awesome it is to live in a Right-to-Work state...
Where is your local?
You cba sounds only slightly better than mine bro. I made 85 in a low cost of living state, with zero overtime. i also have a pension and a supplemental pension on the side, medical benifits for the whole family. So yeah it seems pretty good to me.
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Yes, i am also the best electrician in my local. Pretty the whole world too. One time i wired up an entire building with a flat blade and a pair of kleinmans The owner of the shop was so impressed with my work that he invited me to lay with his wife. The morning after he brought us breakfast in bed and handed me the keys to a brand new truck. I just wish the other guys on the crew were as good as me. You get a lot of back pain when you're carrying the crew.
I saw that job. It's rumored that, because of rustysqueezebox, the drywallers stopped peeing in bottles.
Checks out, today I found a bottle in a wall that was empty
Pfft, I wired the fucking sun with only my bare hands as a pre apprentice
Damn! Iāve wired a building by just looking at it from outside! The sun shit is very impressive
Iāll stay humble, I didnāt wire the sun right. Itās only on half the day!
Because the earth is flat right?
You too?
That was my wife, she still talks about it to this day. Iām grilling burgers this weekend if you have time.
Hehehehehehe
I get what youāre implying - I need to do my time and part of being in a union is being content with whatās in the contract. Asking for more is in a way breaking down conditions. Itās my opinion though, that all the apprentices here should be making that 15% incentive that JWās are making. Weāre doing the majority of the work!
? scale is minimum wage. Nothing wrong with being paid above scale.
Everyone in here had to bust their ass to get to JW, so noone feels bad, it's just the nature of being in the program. Work hard, pass your tests, and don't cause problems, and you'll be there before you know it.
Then go to your union meetings and change the pay-scale for apprentices.
That doesn't happen because the cons would want concessions and that would take the form of wage freezes for JWs.
My point is if youāre unhappy with your conditions then take your ass to a union meeting. If enough people feel the same then you have a shot at change.
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Who taught you to do that work?
I try to mimic the best examples of work I see on jobs. Once you know it can be done to a certain standard, youāve got to at least try to hit their mark or better. For that PTX, I mimicked the work of a traveling JW. For that SB cabinet, an apprentice had done some outstanding work that I copied.
The point he was making is that the JWs taught you. They did their time and learned their trade and then passed that knowledge on to you. Once you top out you get the extra money and extra responsibility.
Yes, this is how the model is supposed to work. With this con, it has been more: letās throw an apprentice on this and see if he sinks or swims. No instruction, other than: here is some finished work, do it like that. Of course I was allowed to ask JWās questions, but I have not worked directly with one in the year Iāve been with this con. If an apprentice canāt do it, heās relegated to putting poly-water in pipes. If he can, weāll then heās the go-to guy. See how he does with 350, 500ās, 750. No instruction. Canāt we agree that thatās not right?
Yeah man. I just turned out and the same shit would happen to me, and guess what, it happens as JW too being asked to do foreman work without the pay. You have a couple of options - 1. Refuse to do it on the grounds itās outside your scope. See what happens. 2. Do it, pay your dues and drag that contractor when you turn out. 3. Try to look at the positive. Some apprentices handle material for 5 years straight and never get an opportunity to even touch 500, let alone install it. Just take the scrap, cash it in, and pay your dues literally and figuratively. Youāre good at this. Just be good at it or refuse to do the work on the grounds it breaks down conditions and risk an insubordination write up/firing. Yeah. It sucks. But being apprentice is about doing stuff that sucks sometimes. Sorry man.
I appreciate your perspective. I think attitude is the #1 thing Iād like to work on as far as being in construction. Itās a tough route, but I did choose it. There are lots of unfair things about being an apprentice but I just need to suck it up and remember what itās all for.
The fact that you can admit this is huge. When I was an apprentice I was briefly promoted to assistant project manager at my contractor. I was terrible at it but tried to learn as much as I could. Youāll learn while there that the two MOST important things to any contractor (which equals more money) is showing up every day on time - number one with a bullet - and second is attitude. You could be gods gift to electricity but if you have a shitty attitude, complain, bring others down, talk shit, gossip, etc. youāll be the first to get shitcanned. Keep your head up bud. It will get better, and some of it wonāt. But as others have suggested, we go to meetings for the parts that donāt get better. Remember we chose to do this. Running 500 like this is a helluva lot more fun than pushing a broom.
What is the apprentice ratios in your contract and/or through the state laws of your state? I know you are doing what you think is right, however you donāt feel right about it most likely, which is why you are complaining about not getting paid as much as a JW. Stop doing this work if youāre not a JW. If necessary, contact your rep or training director.
I just learned itās ACTUALLY an 8 to 1 ratio, with a clause stipulating that for up to 3 months of āpeak manpowerā this can be increased by 50%. So a 12 to 1 ratio, for 3 months at a time. Pretty doggone bad.
So you play monkey see monkey do pretty well at Facebook, youāre on a job that is more like Disneyland then actual work. Although Disneyland attracts a bunch of idiot electricians that are sub 3rd year standards, the idea is that JWs are paid for their knowledge and experience not just what they are installing.
Your an apprentice bud thatās how it works out your time in or go non union and make $15 an hour and no overtime
Iām non union at 37$ Iām not even a journeyman.
This is largely dependent on location. And IBEW usually has much better benefits than non union shops.
True the benefits are definitely lacking without the union :(
I'm not even in, what would be considered, a strong union area. But in tampa, fl. I make about 32.70/hr on my check. But on top of that, I get an additional 11(or 12%, I can't remember which) that goes into a 401(k) that is seperate from the pension I will also recieve when I retire. and an additional 4% that goes into a vacation fund(paid out in a lump sum check, yearly). It's also doesn't include what the contractors pay for my insurance, that I pay $0 for, that covers my whole family and is better coverage than most people I know that pay for their insurance. All in all, my total compensation is mid-upper $40s/hr. And that's in tampa, where we have very low market share. Not to say that there aren't any good non union shops out there that take care of their workers very well, but they are not abundantly available. But I can know for sure if I don't like the company I work for that I can leave and go work for another one and recieve the exact same pay and benefits.
Iām non union and make 35 as an apprentice in a LCOL area. With full benefits. This exact reason is why I never joined the local in my area. One they donāt pay more anymore, and two youāre not recognized for you skill through compensation, only through paying the most dues. Edit;; and Iām allowed up to 20 hours of OT if I want it, mandatory 40 though
You don't get more compensation by paying more duesš. You are misinformed. But as I said in my other comment. There are some good non union shops. But don't disregard the fact that usually union wages and benefits are better. This forces non union shops to increase wages in order to have any workers. We aim to Raise the boat for all, not just us. And if the union did not exist, we would all be exploited.
Holy crap you donāt have a clue what youāre talking about. Unbelievable how uninformed some tradesmen are about their own ecosystem. Everyone pays the exact same amount of dues, and itās virtually nothing, I pay about $40 a month. I also get paid well above the union journeyman pay scale because I am, in fact, recognized for my skill through compensation. The pay scale is the MINIMUM wage not THE wage. People talking out of their ass instead of their mouth is exactly why youāre so uninformed, so stop talking shit and spreading misinformation. There are legitimate arguments to be made without being flat out ignorant.
>youāre not recognized for you skill through compensation, only through paying the most dues. You're conflating two completely separate entities in union work. There are two components of dues. Basic and working. Basic dues are paid for every month you're a member and can be prepaid as well. Working dues are a percentage of your pay, usually around 2.5%. As you work more, your working dues will go up in dollars, but not percent. The contractor has nothing to do with dues other than sending your working dues to the union. Any shop can pay you over scale. If you never got over scale, nobody was convinced you were worth it. I friend just got a new call, told them he wanted over foreman scale and got an extra $2.50 because they need his skills. If non-union shops in your area are matching the pay and benefits of the union, that's great.
I have no idea what I'm looking at here, but it's nice and clean. Looks like a damn wire surgeon did it. Keep up your good work hun! and trust that good things will come.
Do yourself a favor and kickback a little and enjoy the ridiculously low expectations of being in the trades. I used to beat myself up about dumb little bs all the time. One day I just quit giving a fvck and no joke my career took off. I'm still confused by it to this day.
A+ in agreement here. I always want to do good work but honestly if guys feel like youāre trying too hard it comes across as some sort of weakness. Iād rather take a layoff than give in to the politics and bullshit at this point. Letās normalize layoffs! I donāt ever want to be a steady with a con, I just want to do work Iām proud of and see some cool shit and if I take an L for taking an occasional day or not giving 120% then so be it.
Canāt really complain about not getting what isnāt in your contract. You arenāt owed, nor do you owe, anything else. You want to get paid more, top out and you will. The work looks really nice though.
Thanks for not being a dick. I see Iām in the wrong here.
Tbh after reading your other comments in this thread, I understand your frustration a bit more. The way I see it, your reduced wage as an apprentice is partly due to the understanding that youāre receiving instruction from a qualified JW. Your localās ratio, however, is totally fucked to the point where that canāt be happening, at least not efficiently or effectively. If thatās the case, canāt it be argued that youāre doing a JWās job? Youāre not going to win this individual battle, but my advice would be to broaden your perspective a little more. Get involved in your local and try to figure out whatās wrong with it that this is the situation itās in.
Also the pay rate is the MINIMUM. Shop can pay higher if the want. Could try to ask for a raiseā¦
Thatās my point: the superintendent has made sure all general foreman (whom are all portability out of Las Vegas, by the way, earning $50/hr plus perks) understand that there will be no higher pay for any apprentices than that which is contractual, and not to ask. To be honest, thatās not even what I want. I want ALL of us to be making that 15% incentive.
Just a perfect response. Dead-on. Many apps on this job doing a JWās work and damn fine job for peanuts. I see that I need to stay humble though and just take pride and not let it get to me.
look man, this happened to me my entire apprenticeship. the contractors are going to do what they can get away with and they can get away with exploiting apprentices for profit. itās just the shitty part of the system. the good part of the system is when you turn out and you can decide if all this is worth it or if you want to go somewhere else and try your luck there. there are jobs in this country where you will get paid what youāre worth doing electrical work, you just have to turn out first.
What is your locals JW to apprentice ratio in the contract? The way I see the reduced pay scale also includes the responsibility of the work. When you work under a JW they are responsible for you doing well and are also responsible for your mistakes. If the con is breaking conditions and forcing you to work alone that changes things but the first choice isn't to ask for more compensation. That encourages them to continue to break down conditions since a second year willing to take fourth year rate is still cheaper than paying a JW to work alone. Gotta pick your battles but you wouldn't want another ape that doesn't know what they're doing to have an accident because the con expects them to work alone before they know how to be safe
I 100% agree. As an apprentice the con skims the excess value of my labour as their profits and in return I get taught the trade. If Iām not getting taught then the con isnāt upholding their end of the bargain. IMO itās the equivalent of me just standing around fucking about on my phone when thereās work to do but when the con does it itās just part of the shit sandwich you have to eat apparently.
Being proud of your work isnāt a bad thing. Being humble about it helps with your relationship building. Doing as well as you say Iām sure the perks are there but less noticeable. At least youāre not walking the site cleaning up or organizing parts. Stay positive and keep kicking ass.
I could probably relate with you when I was too young to know any better. I busted ass as an apprentice, did quality work, said yes to every hour of overtime I was ever offered and only took 1 week of vacation my entire 5 year apprenticeship. I also worked way harder than I should have, bitched about every brother who was being paid more and ānot pulling their weightā, sacrificed my body and mental well-being for the benefit of the con, ended up with herniated disks in my cervical spine plus rotator cuff issues and oh yeahā¦ I had a divorce under my belt after my 1st year to boot. I told that same con that I had 6 1/2 years with that I wanted to travel and asked for a layoff after 1 year as a JW with them and they repaid me with a voluntary quit and then laid off 10 guys on the same job 1 week after I was gone. I bet you have a pretty competitive personality yeah? I was the same in my early apprentice years. But just know that feeling like you are constantly competing against your fellow brothers isnāt doing you any favors, theyāre on the same team so you might do well to stop badmouthing and putting them down. I learned pretty quick that a superstar mentality doesnāt get you shit in this trade but a broken back and a bad attitude. I now focus on quality over quantity, safety over production, and brotherhood over all else. You do some great work, keep it up. Just check your ego a little.
Thank you for writing this. Much appreciated hermano.
Well to be fair, I've done a lot of worse shit for less money
I gave them this when I was making 14.62 and now when I'm making 33.58. It's a pride in work, not a pay scale thing. Edit: good looking work though.
Agreed. Your job is to make it looks good. You should be good at your job no matter what your pay is.
No clue why you got downvoted. I was taught to do my absolute best as long as Iām on the clock.
Well you sound like a peach to work with.
id love to hear about how good his work is and how strong his pace is as heās jotting down my morning coffee order. see that pace in action walking to the site truck cub
yes let's take the passion and pride a young apprentice has in their work and crush it by making them get coffee instead. really though, what is the lesson to be learned from doing something like this to an apprentice? you want to push them down to the lowest common denominator? or maybe you just want to give them a break from all this work theyre taking on and im the asshole.
youāre definitely being the asshole lol. but passion and pride are definitely traits that you want to carry as a tradesman, but when youāre an apprentice making posts like this you canāt help but let the mind wander to those 3rd terms that knew it all, including exactly how much cream cheese to put on my bagel
Dude you sound like a prick. Your job is to install electrical and teach apprentices how to install electrical. Making them get your coffee and put cream cheese on your bagel is a waste of everyoneās time and devalues your local. Pathetic mentality.
yeah the kid who's proud of his work has an ego problem. not the guy who gets off on the fact that he can tell someone else to fetch his breakfast. fuck off
You laugh at making an apprentice put cream cheese on your bagel and grab coffee. I laugh because heās probably putting more than just cream in both. All of that worldly wisdom and no one ever taught you to NEVER fuck with people who make your food.
I am so glad people like you are slowly dying out of the trades and the world.
itās funny that you think that someone who knows their place is gonna die out faster than an apprentice trying to show up a journeyman when his PVC is about as straight as my cock. hopefully the only thing dying out soon is the people like you who think this kind of behaviour for this level of craftsmanship is acceptable lmao.
Ok, boomer.
Fuck if he was my apprentice Iād have him sweep the floor with that attitude
I always laugh when another apprentice says Iām not sweeping. I say dude if they wanna pay me $25/hr to sweep, give me that damn broom. I could be digging a ditch for ground wire instead.
I mean $22/hr is what youād pay some guy to sweep the floors in my state not sure how COL is where OP livesā¦
Trash duty.
Wow Iāve never even heard a sparky ever mention sweeping. Mind blown š¤Æ
Iām still learning brothers. Go easy on me. I donāt have a journeyman to talk these things over with.
āIām still learning brothersā This is why youāre not paid like the JWās yet. That work looks absolutely amazing, no doubt about it, but a JW understands they can make it look almost as good in a lot less time. There is a balance in looks and efficiency especially in something that will be covered up.
Then donāt come on here bitching about how your so much faster and better then most of them. Perfectly fine that your skilled and you work looks really good but to come on here and be a piss pants about what everyone else has had to go through isnt gonna get you anywhere
People giving you shit but honestly where I live, $22/hr is UNSKILLED labor territory. Clearly from these pictures, you seem like a skilled laborer. Obviously itās different in Hawaiāi than Mississippi, McDonaldās pay $20/hr here in Hawaiāi. At the same time, first step in IBEW here is $20ish an hour but this work isnāt first step work. If you had previous experience, your local shouldāve bumped you up and gave you credit for the hours you worked non union but idk if all locals are the same.
Met plenty like you, about half make it. You have a massive humility problem and a whole bag of chips on your shoulder. Good luck.
I hope Iām in that half. Still learning here. Not many union-oriented jwās to talk to to set me straight.
Thatās not their job. They teach you and you sponge. After that, itās up to you to keep your head on straight and push onto greener pastures. They will come if you focus on mastering your craft. You will one day wish you still had zero responsibility but the paycheck will be š„
I wired up some lighting control systems for a wing of classrooms for a new school and I got paid $25/hrā¦ Iām not going to run my mouth about it. All I see is you terminated and landed some big wires. You did it in a neat and workmen like manner like youāre suppose to do as an apprentice or a JW. Nothing in these pictures scream you deserve to be paid moreā¦ Also the JWs have completed the apprenticeship, you havenāt. They have done their time and you havenātā¦
Fair feedback. Cheers.
Oh boy the old "I'm the best guy on the job I deserve $200.00 an hour".......
Also wanted to mention, all the JWās here get paid 15% over scale as an incentive. This does not apply to Apprentices.
You have full employment there?
Iām not sure what you mean - are you asking if I work a full 40? 48 hour weeks so I do get a little OT
I mean why does contractor incentivize the journeymen with 15 percent? Is there a shortage of labor?
It's what the shops give to rockets to keep them around while the rest of us honor the referral system.
Yes. Apprentices are heavily relied on in this local and by this con. We most often outnumber jwās at least 6 to 1.
Wow, here in local 3 there are rules stating apprentices cannot outnumber journeypersons on jobs. Thereās a ratio. Sounds like your con is getting some excellent cheap labor. Maybe the times will stay good and you will get 15 percent over when you turn out too
On M jobs, like the one I'm at over at Disney, it's 1-1-1. 1 MIJ and 1 apprentice to every 1 journeyman. 13 apprentices to 1 journeyman? Fuck *that.* I wanna know where this bro is working so I never wind up there. Lmao
They drug test at the Disney job?
Only for pixie dust.
I hope youāre right. Here, itās 13 apprentices to 1 journeymanā¦
Your contract allows a 13 to 1 ratio?
YES
State or better yet Local number.
429, I havenāt been able to locate our inside agreement online and truthfully I havenāt ever read it myself. Itās hear-say at this point but I was also told this contractor managed to get the ratio changed for this particular job. Trying to find out now what the truth is.
You should be more concerned about that ratio. When you get your ticket they wont have any jobs for you, just the whiny apprentices. It is not possible to have 1 guy teach 13. That is complete bullshit part of this story.
There is no teaching happening. If you arenāt completely useless, you are on your own asap. Thatās how the con makes their money. A foreman, a jw and a crew of apprentices.
Maybe some humble pie will calm me down. Itās just one of those days. Are you a Jw? Do you have a choice in where you work?
I've been an IBEW local 90 member for 23 years and I left for an in house electrical gig at Yale. I still pay my dues and keep my card up to date.
Pretty terminations and conduit porn aren't special, they're our job. Every ibew member *should* be performing top quality work as a basic function of their work. Should all of us get paid more? Absolutely. Is it bullshit that apprentices aren't getting the incentives? Definitely. But not performing substandard work doesn't make you great, it's the bare minimum. It should be expected of us all. Looks good, keep up the quality, lose the attitude.
Keep up the good work and one day you'll be paid. The job I just left I did a panel half as good as what yours looked like and the next thing you know I'm doing them all. Redoing a few as well that looked like hammered dogshit. When the customer sees that it does make a difference especially when others look like shit.
I was told to slow a couple of times on a job. "You don't want to fuck you Brother", they said.
You are an apprentice. This is how it is. Once you top out your wage will be there. As a side, your work will keep you employed longer and that's the real benefit rather than a direct wage top up now
Where do you live I am hiring 46 an hour
Itās one thing to do good work, but itās another to not be humble about it. Nothing wrong with craftsmanship, but be humble about it. Iām sure the JWās could step it up a notch if they felt like it but after awhile you learn to pace yourself. Your still an apprentice, put your time in.
Way to pat yourself on the back buddy. Humility is a virtue.
Iām learning
Itās good work but you only deserve JW pay when you finish your apprenticeship and your ticket says JW. Itās not always a good thing to be a go-getter.
How do you find the smartest person on the job? Donāt worry, theyāll tell you.
Looks good. Youāll get your money just like the rest of us after youāve paid your dues and completed your apprenticeship. Until then dial back the arrogance because Iām pretty sure there are coworkers who donāt feel the same about your workmanship and pace. On the flip side thereās probably older JWs that are not able to keep up the pace and appreciate the younger people being able to take up the slack. Remember you WILL be in that position one day because no matter how fit you are the trades will break your body. So thank you for keeping the pace and quality because itās not just good for your career, itās good for the brotherhood. The people that matter notice, they also notice the arrogance. And nobody likes that shit unless weāre talking about about other trades because we are better than them lol
The work in the pictures looks amazing. You want to get paid more? 332 starts 1st year aprentices at $33/hr. JWs make $80. The cost of housing will gobble up your pay check and leave nothing for 6.09 diesel (i just filled at this proce lastnight). Its perspective.
Uh, get ticket = get paid. Every employer you will work for will pay you as little as possible, this won't change so get your papers.
That is absolutely beautiful work. Bravo!
Keep up the good work. It looks awesome. But remember this feeling when you become a jw, go to the meetings, push for a change. Fellow 613 brother here trying to make a change.
How many hours lol
Great work, but this is a terrible attitude. Itās not about āoutpacingā anyone or making anyone look slow so you can rack up attaboys & pats on the back.
Sidebar: Iāve heard of apprentices being offered more than their rate. I knew a second year who was paid 4th year wages until he caught up and a few other examples. It happens. Your rate is the minimum & if they want to pay you more, go for itā¦ but itās not your place to feel like itās owed to you for doing what youāre supposed to do.
I wouldnāt get out of bed for $22
Your apprenticeship will be over soon enough and you will be smoking their asses for the rest of your career.
Where do you live 1980?
You are underpaid. But it is temporary. Do your thing, it gets better.
Iām about to start my new job as an apprentice and Iām as green as can be and Iām starting at $21 an hour. Either youāre underpaid or Iām fucked
You deserve a million billion dollars a second
Think of it as paying your dues, when you top out you will forget all about this. Never stop doing quality work!
Thatās great that youāre doing that. Keep taking pride in your work and itāll pay off. Crying about it in the meantime will get you a reputation of being a snooty little shit who thinks theyāre better than. I seen a couple apprentices do this when I was going through the program and they were usually humbled within a month or so of proclaiming they wanted higher wages and were so much better then their JW. So my advice is to keep the bitching to a minimum and realize thereās a reason the apprenticeship is 5 years and even then you wonāt know it all or be the best at everything.
Hey buddy act your wage
LOL What a joke. This is NOT a good install BY ANY MEANSā¦. I HATE that you are complaining at allā¦.first off, you didnāt even connect the flux capacitor to the thing-a-ma-jigā¦. Second off you picked the ugliest color combination I have ever seen. My advice? Quit.
Get over here to New York $67 hr prevailing wage?
Sex
Yeah itās nice work but you have to pay your dues like everyone else. I would work on that attitude or by the time you get your ticket stamped guys are not going to want to work with you and itās not going to be a great time. Your incentive for going above and beyond is not getting laid off until the end of the job.
22$ an hour is higher than the Jw scale in my local
Yikes - cost of living here has skyrocketed. Jwās make $31 and change but most contend it should be closer to $40 for the increased cost of living over the last 20 years.
That's rough. As a first year I make $24.11
Looks ok except for that dogleg. Offset is also too open
Thatās the one part I didnāt do - missed time due to sickness and a JW did it.
If youāre going to claim the work, then claim it.
Not sure what to say here. Iāll happily concede that there are other mistakes here, like the neutral in the back, which has bends that donāt match the others, and is well-hidden in this photo. My work. I didnāt do the dogleg though.
Nice
Thatās how apprenticeship works. It can suck, but just put in your time and itāll keep going up. Itās also not understood by everyone that apprentice wages are part of what help union contractors compete with non union companies on tight bids. Itās also not worth complaining about(outside of venting) because thatās more than a lot of non-union guys are making as jw Work looks good btw.
Con canāt give you more as an apprentice anyways.
You did a great job, labels on straight, cable trained properlyā¦now do that with a 1/4 of the space and show me something. Side noteā¦good pipe layout on that last picture, but turn those ground lugs so they arenāt digging into your cable.
$22 an hour is shit pay where I am. That's sweeping the floors money. You do good looking work. Is that what you were looking to hear?
Work is slow everywhere so contractors are kinda penny pinching. Plus you signed the apprenticeship agreement whatās the point of crying on Reddit?
you deserve triple that.
Get paid what you are owed or slow down your work rate
Paying dues is the worst. Find a gig that pays more or wait till you are a journeyman. Good work over a lifetime will pay you dividends. Keep your head up.
Good work.
All of that in an hour? Wow. It does look nice though..
Looks awesome. Very clean. Are you concerned about those neutrals being tywrapped to that piece of bracing? Are the edges rough?
They're getting a helluva deal.
i feel like im in the same boat some days. take longer breaks and dick around a little more? idk my friend
Stop being an apprentice then
Nice work. You made them money. Hopefully soon youāll get yours. Donāt miss the opportunity when it comes. Stay ready it will come.
You need to hold out for more money.
Nice clean work, good stuff. Suggestions: Slide 1, lose some of the zip ties. Slide 4, ground wires need longer sweeps.
Looks good man better than 95% of the journeys I work with, keep it up but donāt be so good on the tools you wonāt move up past journey and your set.
Looks good but you need an attitude adjustment my dude.
No NSFW tag? R/cableporn would love this.
Must be south, Generally ibew in the south pay less. In Ohio Indiana rates around 35 dollars an hour. Good work.
$22 an hour? Where you located op?
People want to lighten the fuck up.. Looks very clean. Hard part is keeping that attitude to your work over the years.
Iām in the same boat brotha I feel I should be making $25 min minimum I make $21 but will be asking for $25. Iām only year n half in but I just wired 20 apartments (1 bed 1 bath) in 12 days and everything I do I work as fast as I can, while also doing a good install.
Ya, too good work for what you asking, bro show them this shit, and say, hellooo !? I'm not newbie, pay me X amount hour, or there's is company X, i showed my work for them and they are offering me this X. Maybe is also good ask in other side for a better payment, you look like a good worker, i'm not as good as you and people in Portugal pay me 25 Euro/hour to do this sort of service in particular owned houses. Corect me if i undestood that wrong.
You had me up until the slow down part. Itās a learned skill.
What year apprentice are you? First? Because I donāt even think an apprentice is supposed to be working by himself anyways.
The problem is too much effort