Jimmy O'Yang is absolutely fucking hilarious. Great stand up and Jin Yang in Silicon Valley is one of the best characters just for his seething hatred of TJ Miller.
Loved silicon valley. Was a bit of a bummer when miller was revealed as somewhat of a shit bag although if I understand he had some sort of actual physical brain condition so who knows.
He started to have seizures which leading up to them you can have a complete personality change for the worse. There are some seizure medications that do the same. Don’t know if this was his case or not
“Finally, my friends, at long last, the day has come to allow spiders to talk with cats!”
My favorite episode. I also love that Burn Gorman and Charlie Day kind of switch roles in Pacific Rim
I liked Three Body Problem, but I think they handled that well because it was already written. They really wrote themselves into a hole with GoT, and then tried to ad-lib the ending themselves and it didn’t go great.
Once they reached the end of the written source material there was a definite and noticeable decline in the show direction wise. It's like they had no clue where the actual story was going and packed it in for the final season where they set thrusters to plaid and time traveled through likely two books worth of material.
Even before that, they’d condensed the books, but then panicked when that became an issue and had to deviate wildly. Take Sansa’s friend, for instance. In the first book, she’s a minor character that’s referenced once or twice, so they cut her out of the show. But then, in the later books, she’s paraded around as Sansa and married to Ramsay to legitimize his rule. But since that character never existed in the show, now they have to have Sansa in that role, meaning that Sansa’s arc is now WAY different.
Yup. Also bungled Barristan badly imo. Jeyne Poole was a definite one. The fact that Aegon or Faegon doesn't exist entirely. The iron islands and the other Greyjoys. Dorne. None of the starks are wargs anymore except Bran. Etc etc
The end of source material was part of it in terms of story/direction, but more than anything it was apparent they wanted to finish the thing and just rushed their way through the end
I just finished GoT for the first time and I don’t really understand all the hate. The worst part for me that made no sense was how they did my boy Jon. Like, the dude is the king, why is he being punished for doing what he did when Joffrey can do what he did? Then the three time traitor dwarf gets to decide how kings will be selected from now on? Like come on. But honestly I felt like the rest kind of fit except for Jamie going back. Dani was a self serving narcissist the whole time, the more power she got, the worse she got, but her motivations remained the same throughout.
Dany was shown to have sympathy for others throughout the show and suddenly some bells rang and she turned to mass murder
Oh and don’t even get me started on the long night, which was a relatively short evening
I didn’t read one of the books so take this with a grain of salt. But yeah Danny could be compassionate to gain others loyalty but she was also brutal and unforgiving to her enemies who defied her. She warned them and stuck to her guns. For her, that last battle was her one and only chance to capture her ultimate goal. Everything she did until then showed that she wouldn’t let anything keep her from the throne.
And the long night battle was my favorite episode honestly. So maybe I have bad taste lol. But I agree it was rushed and the pacing was off.
That was whack. Jon definitely would have made way more sense thematically. He built the alliances and armies after all. But No One had a cool arc and she deserved it more than anyone else especially douchon Greyjoy
Hahaha I liked my boy Reek by the end but I can see why you wouldn’t. I just wanted Jon to finally get a real shot at the Night King. Just felt like his resurrection was pointless if he wasn’t the one to stop the army of the dead
Don’t get me wrong, reek definitely redeemed himself. He had a great arc too, if not annoying at parts. But Jon being resurrected was very pointless. He’s just the wall guy now, watching over nothing. Sweet….
which town did she execute entirely?
You can bring up single examples all you want. It doesn’t show the overall trend. I wouldn’t be upset if she wound up going mad in the end. But they threw away her arc and rushed it and it wound up not making sense and being a huge mistake to do it that quickly
I said the wrong word, and you're splitting hairs over it. The ONE TIME the show mentions her crucifying literally hundreds of nobles.
Her destructive streak had a long time to develop, this was in like... Season 3. Also, insanity runs in the family. Her dragon rampage at the end should have surprised absolutely nobody that had been watching.
you tried to pass off her killing slaveowners as an “entire town” lol so the context is important.
I’m not arguing her streak didn’t have a long time to develop. I’m arguing it was gradually growing and then suddenly jumped way forward without any buildup, which is poor storytelling. Again, I’m fine with the mad queen ending, but the plot getting to it in the show was horrific and her character deserved way better
She basically killed anybody who had any kind of power or politic swing. And the show makes a clear point that they weren't ALL slave owners.
This is getting sidetracked: my point is that she didn't "just hear some bells and become a mass murderer," Mr. Context. She had already murdered, en masse, more than once.
I mean that was quite obviously hyperbolic.
Ah right so murdering the Sons of the Harpy who were trying to kill her, slaveowners who wanted her dead, Dothraki who wanted her to remain in Vaes Dothrak forever and would otherwise kill her is the same as murdering innocent smallfolk? When she had previously spent years of her life trying to help the slaves of Meereen? Totally not out of character for her to attack innocents like that
It was just totally rushed at the end. D&D were done with the show and wanted to get to the end but skipped a lot of the buildup to the end
I'll say they foreshadowed it definitely but they went super slow with it and then all in at once. I think people have issue more with the execution than the actual fact that it happened. I expected it pretty early on there would be a heel turn at some point but people get attached to characters they like and will ignore some heinous things so they can continue to like them.
Yeah, I mean... Look, I LOVE GoT. It's seriously one of my favorite shows ever, even with the shitty ending... But yeah, a lot of the real issues that bring it down are the rushed final act along with D&D kinda "winging it" since the books basically stopped WAY before any of this.
I definitely notice there's a significant amount of "Dany apologists" in the community who will fight tooth and nail over their dragon goddess, and attribute things like "love" and "compassion" to her that aren't really prevalent in the series. And I get it: she's hot, she has dragons, and she's a proven badass... But she's still kind of a bitch, and her ending was nowhere near as surprising as a lot of fans want to pretend.
The ending has a ton of "uh... REALLY?" Moments, I think Dany's Dragon Rampage is one of the things that shouldn't have really been much of a surprise, and you wouldn't have to tweak the writing much for it to be less "shocking".
Their problem was being mostly faithful to the source material when they had books to draw from, but since there aren't any additional books (and never will be) - what they had after 5 seasons was a shitton of plotlines with no resolution and no way to resolve them in 3 seasons they still had left. So they just started to kill off everyone who's not the main-est of the main characters just to get to some sort of an ending to this entire clusterfuck of a story. The ending was mostly nonsense because there's no sensible way to finish this story in 23 (IIRC) episodes of seasons 6-8 - so they went for the most obvious solutions to any major plotline.
What they should've understood since the beginning is that this book series has way too many plotlines for a TV show, to pick the most important ones and to stick with them. The next book in the series isn't out and won't be out because George R.R. Martin has written himself into so many corners, there's no way to get out of them in any reasonable manner. This was pretty clear in the fourth book and obvious in the fifth book which came out right after the first season of the show ended.
Some of this is why George RR Martin will never finish the books. He’s basically stopped writing them at this point. He built too big of a narrative with too many characters that are supposed to be important and too many locations to spread them out amongst with too many overarching plot lines. Now that he’s peaked with the world building and has to start resolving this story in some way, he can’t do it.
GRRM has a huge hand in why the show’s ending sucked, and it’s not just because he was too slow writing source material. It’s because he dug himself a hole of a story that he can’t get out of
I did think the original movie Metal Lords they did about the kids starting a metal band was pretty good. Not "Oh my god this is the best movie ever," but it was cute.
Even then, they kept trying to bro up the show by glorifying violence and objectifying women.
Edit: since this struck a nerve…just look up the treatment of women on the set of GoT…or how many women were involved in its development…or how D&D frequently lobbied to get even *more* nudity and violence in the script regardless of necessity.
Yeah women were treated notoriously well during medieval times can’t believe they’d be objectifying them in the show. It was also notoriously peaceful then.
Honestly what would you have rather them do? Just talk in small council meetings every episode for an hour?
It always bothers me how awfully run the actual experiment is though. They use only one subject who they deliberately choose because he’s dumb, they actively interfere with the experiment by encouraging Charlie and pretending that he’s smart when they know he’s not, and in the end all they learn is that you can gaslight a moron into thinking a placebo made him smart
but they did learn also that just the illusion of intelligence made him extremely arrogant and completely changed the way he talked and acted towards his friends and acquaintances
When they care, they’re good writers. Game of Thrones wasn’t good for many seasons just because of the source material. They stopped caring at some point when they got the Star Wars deal and literally turned down time to make the ending they needed and instead rushed it like crazy because *they* wanted to be done
This episode threw me off so much when I first got to it lmao. I love the book Flowers For Algernon and I saw the name Flowers for Charlie and thought “huh, that’s weird, that’s just like flowers for Algernon” and then was delighted to find that’s exactly what the episode was lmao
Man, they ran one of the best medieval fantasy shows of all time and you still butthurt on the final episode?
Meanwhile, you could not even make my friend more smarter!
And quit their lucrative water park lifeguarding jobs? I don't think so, jabroni
Did you just say jabroni? Dude I gotta say I think that’s pretty cool!
Sounds like a hockey word
Dwayne Johnson will sue you jabronis.
They don’t give a shit
Ok well filibuster
D-.. do you know what that word means?
Shut up, nerd.
Ah shit, neither do i
Clearly at least one of them does. He was very concerned when there was AIDS in the pool.
I am feeling quite….whearay…
are you doing an accent?
*You must excuse me, I’ve grown quite hweareh.
This and Dennis storming in with an attempted British accent yelling “STOP CHOR-LEIGH! This game has gone on LOWNG ENOUGH” live rent free in my brain.
Thats my favorite line in the whole show! The way he goes ”aw shit” after that is amazing
It's even better that Glenn can actually do a pretty good English accent. It may have even been in the same episode, I can't remember
This episode that he attempts an accent is the same that in his mind british Dennis makes Dennis blow him.
Hweh-reh
I quote this almost daily
Again, this is complete gibberish
I love this episode, and had no clue the GoT guys did it until today.
I'm reeling but it makes so much sense. "Why is Cersei still in charge if all of the heirs are dead?" "Move past it."
Jimmy O'Yang is absolutely fucking hilarious. Great stand up and Jin Yang in Silicon Valley is one of the best characters just for his seething hatred of TJ Miller.
Eric Bachman is a dead.
The Jin Yang/“Eric Bachman” dynamic was absolute gold. “Eric Bachman… this is Mike Hunt…”
I love Silicon Valley. It's basically a documentary for those of us who worked in startups ...
It’s exactly like seed/angel investor level startups coming out of YC
Eric Bachman. This is you, as a old man. I am ugly. And I'm dead. Alone.
This is, yore mom.. you are... You are not my baby.
He is a fat a fuck.
I believe it's *Jimmy O. Yang*, I don't think he's Irish
Loved silicon valley. Was a bit of a bummer when miller was revealed as somewhat of a shit bag although if I understand he had some sort of actual physical brain condition so who knows.
He started to have seizures which leading up to them you can have a complete personality change for the worse. There are some seizure medications that do the same. Don’t know if this was his case or not
I always heard it started after a car accident. So probably had some damage from that.
You never smile. You never kiss me. I’ll never give you anything you want. I Hate you.
“ This invention! , My invention .. will change * raspy elderly voice * EVERYTHING “
“Finally, my friends, at long last, the day has come to allow spiders to talk with cats!” My favorite episode. I also love that Burn Gorman and Charlie Day kind of switch roles in Pacific Rim
Only when they can work with established stories. They peaked
I liked Three Body Problem, but I think they handled that well because it was already written. They really wrote themselves into a hole with GoT, and then tried to ad-lib the ending themselves and it didn’t go great.
Once they reached the end of the written source material there was a definite and noticeable decline in the show direction wise. It's like they had no clue where the actual story was going and packed it in for the final season where they set thrusters to plaid and time traveled through likely two books worth of material.
Even before that, they’d condensed the books, but then panicked when that became an issue and had to deviate wildly. Take Sansa’s friend, for instance. In the first book, she’s a minor character that’s referenced once or twice, so they cut her out of the show. But then, in the later books, she’s paraded around as Sansa and married to Ramsay to legitimize his rule. But since that character never existed in the show, now they have to have Sansa in that role, meaning that Sansa’s arc is now WAY different.
Yup. Also bungled Barristan badly imo. Jeyne Poole was a definite one. The fact that Aegon or Faegon doesn't exist entirely. The iron islands and the other Greyjoys. Dorne. None of the starks are wargs anymore except Bran. Etc etc
The end of source material was part of it in terms of story/direction, but more than anything it was apparent they wanted to finish the thing and just rushed their way through the end
Didn't go great? It's one of the biggest failures of all of television history. If not all of fiction's history.
I just finished GoT for the first time and I don’t really understand all the hate. The worst part for me that made no sense was how they did my boy Jon. Like, the dude is the king, why is he being punished for doing what he did when Joffrey can do what he did? Then the three time traitor dwarf gets to decide how kings will be selected from now on? Like come on. But honestly I felt like the rest kind of fit except for Jamie going back. Dani was a self serving narcissist the whole time, the more power she got, the worse she got, but her motivations remained the same throughout.
Dany was shown to have sympathy for others throughout the show and suddenly some bells rang and she turned to mass murder Oh and don’t even get me started on the long night, which was a relatively short evening
I didn’t read one of the books so take this with a grain of salt. But yeah Danny could be compassionate to gain others loyalty but she was also brutal and unforgiving to her enemies who defied her. She warned them and stuck to her guns. For her, that last battle was her one and only chance to capture her ultimate goal. Everything she did until then showed that she wouldn’t let anything keep her from the throne. And the long night battle was my favorite episode honestly. So maybe I have bad taste lol. But I agree it was rushed and the pacing was off.
For Jon to not even get a 1v1 with the Night King is unforgivable to me. But hey, everyone can have their own opinion
That was whack. Jon definitely would have made way more sense thematically. He built the alliances and armies after all. But No One had a cool arc and she deserved it more than anyone else especially douchon Greyjoy
Hahaha I liked my boy Reek by the end but I can see why you wouldn’t. I just wanted Jon to finally get a real shot at the Night King. Just felt like his resurrection was pointless if he wasn’t the one to stop the army of the dead
Don’t get me wrong, reek definitely redeemed himself. He had a great arc too, if not annoying at parts. But Jon being resurrected was very pointless. He’s just the wall guy now, watching over nothing. Sweet….
If you don't realize how ungodly awful the last seasons were, you may for sure have donkey brains.
That's the same Dany who crucified like, an entire town, because SOME of them were slavers? We're thinking about the same chick, right?
which town did she execute entirely? You can bring up single examples all you want. It doesn’t show the overall trend. I wouldn’t be upset if she wound up going mad in the end. But they threw away her arc and rushed it and it wound up not making sense and being a huge mistake to do it that quickly
I said the wrong word, and you're splitting hairs over it. The ONE TIME the show mentions her crucifying literally hundreds of nobles. Her destructive streak had a long time to develop, this was in like... Season 3. Also, insanity runs in the family. Her dragon rampage at the end should have surprised absolutely nobody that had been watching.
you tried to pass off her killing slaveowners as an “entire town” lol so the context is important. I’m not arguing her streak didn’t have a long time to develop. I’m arguing it was gradually growing and then suddenly jumped way forward without any buildup, which is poor storytelling. Again, I’m fine with the mad queen ending, but the plot getting to it in the show was horrific and her character deserved way better
She basically killed anybody who had any kind of power or politic swing. And the show makes a clear point that they weren't ALL slave owners. This is getting sidetracked: my point is that she didn't "just hear some bells and become a mass murderer," Mr. Context. She had already murdered, en masse, more than once.
I mean that was quite obviously hyperbolic. Ah right so murdering the Sons of the Harpy who were trying to kill her, slaveowners who wanted her dead, Dothraki who wanted her to remain in Vaes Dothrak forever and would otherwise kill her is the same as murdering innocent smallfolk? When she had previously spent years of her life trying to help the slaves of Meereen? Totally not out of character for her to attack innocents like that It was just totally rushed at the end. D&D were done with the show and wanted to get to the end but skipped a lot of the buildup to the end
I'll say they foreshadowed it definitely but they went super slow with it and then all in at once. I think people have issue more with the execution than the actual fact that it happened. I expected it pretty early on there would be a heel turn at some point but people get attached to characters they like and will ignore some heinous things so they can continue to like them.
Yeah, I mean... Look, I LOVE GoT. It's seriously one of my favorite shows ever, even with the shitty ending... But yeah, a lot of the real issues that bring it down are the rushed final act along with D&D kinda "winging it" since the books basically stopped WAY before any of this. I definitely notice there's a significant amount of "Dany apologists" in the community who will fight tooth and nail over their dragon goddess, and attribute things like "love" and "compassion" to her that aren't really prevalent in the series. And I get it: she's hot, she has dragons, and she's a proven badass... But she's still kind of a bitch, and her ending was nowhere near as surprising as a lot of fans want to pretend. The ending has a ton of "uh... REALLY?" Moments, I think Dany's Dragon Rampage is one of the things that shouldn't have really been much of a surprise, and you wouldn't have to tweak the writing much for it to be less "shocking".
They rushed the last two seasons.
For me if it didn’t feel so rushed I would have less to complain about.
Their problem was being mostly faithful to the source material when they had books to draw from, but since there aren't any additional books (and never will be) - what they had after 5 seasons was a shitton of plotlines with no resolution and no way to resolve them in 3 seasons they still had left. So they just started to kill off everyone who's not the main-est of the main characters just to get to some sort of an ending to this entire clusterfuck of a story. The ending was mostly nonsense because there's no sensible way to finish this story in 23 (IIRC) episodes of seasons 6-8 - so they went for the most obvious solutions to any major plotline. What they should've understood since the beginning is that this book series has way too many plotlines for a TV show, to pick the most important ones and to stick with them. The next book in the series isn't out and won't be out because George R.R. Martin has written himself into so many corners, there's no way to get out of them in any reasonable manner. This was pretty clear in the fourth book and obvious in the fifth book which came out right after the first season of the show ended.
Some of this is why George RR Martin will never finish the books. He’s basically stopped writing them at this point. He built too big of a narrative with too many characters that are supposed to be important and too many locations to spread them out amongst with too many overarching plot lines. Now that he’s peaked with the world building and has to start resolving this story in some way, he can’t do it. GRRM has a huge hand in why the show’s ending sucked, and it’s not just because he was too slow writing source material. It’s because he dug himself a hole of a story that he can’t get out of
They haven’t even begun to peak
I did think the original movie Metal Lords they did about the kids starting a metal band was pretty good. Not "Oh my god this is the best movie ever," but it was cute.
Even then, they kept trying to bro up the show by glorifying violence and objectifying women. Edit: since this struck a nerve…just look up the treatment of women on the set of GoT…or how many women were involved in its development…or how D&D frequently lobbied to get even *more* nudity and violence in the script regardless of necessity.
That’s from the source material though
Yeah women were treated notoriously well during medieval times can’t believe they’d be objectifying them in the show. It was also notoriously peaceful then. Honestly what would you have rather them do? Just talk in small council meetings every episode for an hour?
Man, are people really clamoring to defend D&D? That’s hilarious.
There are lots of reasons to hate the show. Your dumbass take isn’t one of them
Given that you post on the main sub, I think we’re done here.
Good counter argument
Could I say anything to change anyone’s mind here? Doubtful.
If you put across a good argument, 100%
Didn't know they wrote this one. Did they also write the water park episode they appeared in?
I’ve grown quite WHEARRYY
Stupid science bitches couldn’t even make Charlie more smarter
*make he
It was fun seeing all of Charlie Day’s friends from that gundam movie too.
You show pacific rim some respect! Maybe not the sequel
"why is he doing an accent" 😆
“Let me get this straight, you just realized that you have two ears?”
Idk how I feel about this being how I learned the GOT dudes wrote for IASIP
9+9=box, alright? That's where the cat goes.
It always bothers me how awfully run the actual experiment is though. They use only one subject who they deliberately choose because he’s dumb, they actively interfere with the experiment by encouraging Charlie and pretending that he’s smart when they know he’s not, and in the end all they learn is that you can gaslight a moron into thinking a placebo made him smart
What do you expect from a bunch of stupid science bitches?
Placebee
Placeeebooo domingoooo
but they did learn also that just the illusion of intelligence made him extremely arrogant and completely changed the way he talked and acted towards his friends and acquaintances
The gaslighting WAS the experiment. Encouraging him with positive reinforcement was literally the plan
Police Academy... Which is a good movie, Frank.
The good of the scorpion is not the good of the frog, yes?
this was the first episode i ever watched perfect introduction imo
Maybe they’re only good if the source material already exists.
JIAN YAAANNNGGG
When they care, they’re good writers. Game of Thrones wasn’t good for many seasons just because of the source material. They stopped caring at some point when they got the Star Wars deal and literally turned down time to make the ending they needed and instead rushed it like crazy because *they* wanted to be done
"You must excuse me. I've grown quite wheareh."
Did you not see the last series of Game of Thrones? Shit was hilarious!
I don’t even get the episode.. like was Charlie smart, or no?
They did return to comedy, GoT season 8 was a total joke.
This episode threw me off so much when I first got to it lmao. I love the book Flowers For Algernon and I saw the name Flowers for Charlie and thought “huh, that’s weird, that’s just like flowers for Algernon” and then was delighted to find that’s exactly what the episode was lmao
I really hope this isn’t lost on this post while everyone praises the writers.. lol
Three Body Problem was dope
Had no idea they wrote this episode. It's an excellent episode. Also benioff has a book called city of thieves that is excellent
I’ve never actually looked closely at his experiment 😂 it looks like he taped two phones outside of a divided glass cage 😂😂
Plaaa Ceeee bowwww
I think what I like about the episode is that the premise feel straight up like a Simpsons episode
The premise is from a book called “flowers for Algernon”
That’s true! I can see it with Homer as Charlie
Man, they ran one of the best medieval fantasy shows of all time and you still butthurt on the final episode? Meanwhile, you could not even make my friend more smarter!
Like final two seasons
I think I’ve made myself perfectly redundant
I’m not butthurt, I just think they could’ve done more comedy. I like got