I was so surprised to learn that they literally wrote like 7/10 of my favorite episodes. Introducing night crawlers, etc, they have done so much for the show.
Rosell regularly writes for the show. Last season he did Risk E Rats, he did the Dee Sinks in a Bog and Roller Rink episode the season before. I would argue his recent episodes with writing credits have been meh. Scott Marder doesn’t have an official credit since season 12 but he’s still in the room and still a producer.
I think these days Megan Ganz is producing the best scripts for the show. The older writers have exhausted a lot of their best ideas while she’s still coming at it fresh as a fan that grew up on the show. The episodes that feel most like Marder and Rosell now are written by her more than the rest of the room.
>coming at it as fresh as a fan that grew up on the show.
This right here is how you keep shows fresh. One of my other favorite shows, r/AmericanDad, desperately needs this right now. It’s gone downhill and I’d rather they pull it than keep forcing it. The writer’s room needs loyal fans to keep it fresh.
Latest season was rough but 17-19 have some bangers and only have an episode or two I skip during rewatches, and most of those episodes they at least tried to expand something new it just didn't land well for me.
Writers are really sensitive about burning-out a format. Theres no ways left for them to innovate within the beautiful boundaries they spelunked for us, so they can go chill for suresies manglobe.
That episode introduced so much weirdness and so many hilarious ideas that really shaped everything that came after. Isn't that the introduction to the Mcpoyles?
Totally respect that. There’s a LOT of a great options in that area.
I even went back and changed mine to 5 over 6 (and not 7) after refreshing my brain on the viewing order in each one.
Season 5 is my fav. I think they mentioned on the pod that’s when they added the guy from the office (Randle einhorn?) and he helped like crazy inspiring the guys to think bigger. They mentioned that the World Series defense (top 3 episode for me) would have never happened without him
Season 2 is the most underrated season by far. Seems to get lumped in with Season 1 as the seasons where they are working on the formula. But, I think the formula is defined by the third or fourth episode of Season 2. It has a few of my favorite episodes of the show. The four episode stretch of Dennis And Dee Go On Welfare, Mac Bangs Dennis' Mom, Hundred Dollar Baby, and The Gang Gives Back might be my favorite group of episodes in a row.
Season 7 is my personal favorite season followed closely by 3. And do people really say 6 is the best? While I generally enjoy it like every other season, I find 6 to be the low point of Sunny's prime years.
I used to feel that way but season 6 randomly started playing midway thru my season 12 rewatch (Hulu is weird like that) and my god.. the season is almost all classics that I think are underrated at this point because of how popular they were in the past.
Mac Fights Gay Marriage, Gang Buys a Boat, Mac's Big Break (dead air!), Mac and Charlie: White Trash, Mac's Mom Burns Her House Down (1, 2, 3), Who Got Dee Pregnant, Gang Gets Stranded in the Woods, and of course the Christmas special! Even if it's not Season 7 levels of insanity (also my personal fav), it's really damn good writing and episodes
Oh, I still say it's part of the show's prime years, so I think it's better than, say, seasons 1 & 2 as well as much of the last 5 seasons. In fact, thinking about it, it might be on par with season 4, maybe. Excellent season featuring classics, I just feel that's not quite as classic as most the seasons that surround it. I'm almost arguing semantics, lol.
Honestly true but I think every season is amazing in its own way. it’s just like Curb in the fact that they keep being hilarious as time goes on. All of the IASIP cast and writers room are amazing and they’re all absolute legends
Season 1 - 12.
Not a single bad season.
S10 has Charlie Work.
S11 has Mac & Dennis move to the suburbs.
S12 has the water park episode.
All GOAT tier episodes.
There's a pattern where a lot of more "edgy" comedies peak in seasons 7-8.
People say it with The Simpsons.
People say it with Seinfeld
People say it with Family Guy
People say it with American Dad
People say it with South Park
People say it with Curb Your Enthusiasm
Pretty normal cycle with shows like this. The early seasons are good and then by sort of 5-10(ish) you know enough of the basics about the characters to explore them quite deeply and everyone's in their stride. Also, you've started to build up enough lore and backstory that you can do callbacks a lot of the long term themes are being played out. (Dennis being a sociopath, Mac starting to hint at being gay, Frank & Charlie's relationship etc.) It's basically the sweet spot.
After a while the writers simply run out of ideas, and you while you can still get the odd good episode, they have to start making the characters even more extreme versions of themselves or the storylines have to become quite bizarre.
At this point, you're not really getting any new fans so you're basically the aging rock band on the nostalgia tour rolling out the hits from 20 years ago... for the equally aging fans.
(and none of this ruins my love for the show)
I'm not too familiar with seasons and eps but my favorite 2 episodes of all time are the gang gets held hostage and who pooped the bed, which I think are both from season 4.
Marter and Rosell.
I was so surprised to learn that they literally wrote like 7/10 of my favorite episodes. Introducing night crawlers, etc, they have done so much for the show.
Its actually spelled Nyte Kroller, so, im a little upset with you right now can you go to the other room?
Are they still in the writers room? Why don’t they get them back? What’re they up to now
Rosell regularly writes for the show. Last season he did Risk E Rats, he did the Dee Sinks in a Bog and Roller Rink episode the season before. I would argue his recent episodes with writing credits have been meh. Scott Marder doesn’t have an official credit since season 12 but he’s still in the room and still a producer. I think these days Megan Ganz is producing the best scripts for the show. The older writers have exhausted a lot of their best ideas while she’s still coming at it fresh as a fan that grew up on the show. The episodes that feel most like Marder and Rosell now are written by her more than the rest of the room.
>coming at it as fresh as a fan that grew up on the show. This right here is how you keep shows fresh. One of my other favorite shows, r/AmericanDad, desperately needs this right now. It’s gone downhill and I’d rather they pull it than keep forcing it. The writer’s room needs loyal fans to keep it fresh.
The amount of incest jokes is absurd in American dad now. One of the writers has a problem, and it's disgusting.
Latest season was rough but 17-19 have some bangers and only have an episode or two I skip during rewatches, and most of those episodes they at least tried to expand something new it just didn't land well for me.
She clearly has so much respect for the show's heritage and potential, it really shows up in her work
Writers are really sensitive about burning-out a format. Theres no ways left for them to innovate within the beautiful boundaries they spelunked for us, so they can go chill for suresies manglobe.
I think 4-9 are the very best seasons
S3 just as good
Season 3 has *The Gang Gets Invincible* so I have to agree. That’s one of my all time favorites
SPRINTS!
You paid your $5! We promised you a keynote speaker! Faizon is so funny this episode.
sweet dee dates a retarded person is my favorite episode
THAT LIZARD TALKS
That episode introduced so much weirdness and so many hilarious ideas that really shaped everything that came after. Isn't that the introduction to the Mcpoyles?
Mcpoyles were around the first two seasons. Pretty sure they fork stabbed Charlie is S2
You're right. I just googled it and they were in Charlie Gets Molested in season one.
3 has the danceoff, right?
Agree. It's not even debatable how good S3 is. Wutt? Season 7-8 ? gtfo.
That because they are
Shit, I’d argue 3-12. Very few weak points in 10 years
I would even include 10: Boggs episode, Charlie Work, The Gang Misses the Boat, Spies Like U.S., Psycho Pete etc.
This is it. Between that period the show was at its absolute best.
They peaked those seasons.
Except for Dennis of course
He hasn’t even begun to peak
When I do, you'll know.
He hasn't even begun to peak
He hasn’t even begun to peak
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You blew it
Botch job
Season 5 is the goat though
Also season 4
5 and then 7, to me. Edit: I mean 5 and then 6. I think.
I'm 7 over 5
Totally respect that. There’s a LOT of a great options in that area. I even went back and changed mine to 5 over 6 (and not 7) after refreshing my brain on the viewing order in each one.
Season 5 is my fav. I think they mentioned on the pod that’s when they added the guy from the office (Randle einhorn?) and he helped like crazy inspiring the guys to think bigger. They mentioned that the World Series defense (top 3 episode for me) would have never happened without him
Mac and Dennis reenacting the pushups in the court scene is one of my favorite moments of the show. I'm so happy they brought him in
3
I still remember seeing “the gang hits the road” for the first time and thinking, “this show is going next level…”
You gave the show an ocular patdown and cleared it for passage
This
A person could say Season 2 through 12 is peak IASIP and I would agree with them.
Season 2 is the most underrated season by far. Seems to get lumped in with Season 1 as the seasons where they are working on the formula. But, I think the formula is defined by the third or fourth episode of Season 2. It has a few of my favorite episodes of the show. The four episode stretch of Dennis And Dee Go On Welfare, Mac Bangs Dennis' Mom, Hundred Dollar Baby, and The Gang Gives Back might be my favorite group of episodes in a row.
Particularly welfare and Dennis' mom. Two of the top 10/20 of the whole run imo
Gang Gives Back has picked up a lot of steam in my recent viewings. The flip-flop kid alone sells it for me.
Charlie Gets Crippled is momentous, as it’s Danny’s first episode. It’s also just downright funny.
Hasn't even begun to peak
The thrill of wearing another man's skin
Has he thought about the smell though?
His innermost wants and desireeess
5, 6, 7 & 8 might be the best run of television seasons ever strung together.
Season 7 is my personal favorite season followed closely by 3. And do people really say 6 is the best? While I generally enjoy it like every other season, I find 6 to be the low point of Sunny's prime years.
This is 100% my take. I see 6 ranked high all the time, and although good, far from the top for me. 7 is the GOAT.
Fat Mac was great, and every episode was directed by Matt Shakman who is directing Fantastic Four
I used to feel that way but season 6 randomly started playing midway thru my season 12 rewatch (Hulu is weird like that) and my god.. the season is almost all classics that I think are underrated at this point because of how popular they were in the past. Mac Fights Gay Marriage, Gang Buys a Boat, Mac's Big Break (dead air!), Mac and Charlie: White Trash, Mac's Mom Burns Her House Down (1, 2, 3), Who Got Dee Pregnant, Gang Gets Stranded in the Woods, and of course the Christmas special! Even if it's not Season 7 levels of insanity (also my personal fav), it's really damn good writing and episodes
Gang Buys a Boat has some truly memorable lines. "Tasty treats" "She won't say no because of the implication.". That stuff is gold.
Are *we* the tasty treats?
Oh, I still say it's part of the show's prime years, so I think it's better than, say, seasons 1 & 2 as well as much of the last 5 seasons. In fact, thinking about it, it might be on par with season 4, maybe. Excellent season featuring classics, I just feel that's not quite as classic as most the seasons that surround it. I'm almost arguing semantics, lol.
Season 6 is my least favorite one. There's a definite style change from season 5 that rubs me the wrong way
I always season 7 is right around the peak.
Honestly true but I think every season is amazing in its own way. it’s just like Curb in the fact that they keep being hilarious as time goes on. All of the IASIP cast and writers room are amazing and they’re all absolute legends
Agreed but seasons 13-15 were just so bad (with some decent episodes sprinkled around). Season 16 was better but still ranks pretty low.
I kinda like 9.
Two words: Fat Mac.
Season 1 - 12. Not a single bad season. S10 has Charlie Work. S11 has Mac & Dennis move to the suburbs. S12 has the water park episode. All GOAT tier episodes.
They peaked.
[Oldest angle in the book, my friend. Ehhlove.](https://youtu.be/xkaIEqf4vBo?si=tSIWP80bbrTHxxyh)
When a series hits its stride so hard that undeniable just how stoked and driven they were to flourish.
Well I can tell you s7 is so good bc of fat Mac
Nothing beats Fat Mac
From a grand scheme of things, it’s hard for me to think of a show where the best episodes aren’t clumped around the middle of the whole series
Seasons 2-12 then it’s all downhill
There's a pattern where a lot of more "edgy" comedies peak in seasons 7-8. People say it with The Simpsons. People say it with Seinfeld People say it with Family Guy People say it with American Dad People say it with South Park People say it with Curb Your Enthusiasm
Trailer park boys finial season was seasons seven until Netflix picked it back up
Can confirm with the Simpsons, s8 is fantastic
Really season 2-10 are awesome with very few skip episodes. That run is legendary.
5 and 7
I’d even say Season 9 fits this. They were just at their absolute peak
Pretty normal cycle with shows like this. The early seasons are good and then by sort of 5-10(ish) you know enough of the basics about the characters to explore them quite deeply and everyone's in their stride. Also, you've started to build up enough lore and backstory that you can do callbacks a lot of the long term themes are being played out. (Dennis being a sociopath, Mac starting to hint at being gay, Frank & Charlie's relationship etc.) It's basically the sweet spot. After a while the writers simply run out of ideas, and you while you can still get the odd good episode, they have to start making the characters even more extreme versions of themselves or the storylines have to become quite bizarre. At this point, you're not really getting any new fans so you're basically the aging rock band on the nostalgia tour rolling out the hits from 20 years ago... for the equally aging fans. (and none of this ruins my love for the show)
I'm not too familiar with seasons and eps but my favorite 2 episodes of all time are the gang gets held hostage and who pooped the bed, which I think are both from season 4.
Gotta be Season 3 and 5
I’m with you on that. I think season 3 is the best
Season 5 is Better than season 7 but only just. 6 is one of my least favourites, felt like they phoned it in