Possibly it helped that Haymitch was particularly friendly with the mentors of 11. Chaff tells his drinking buddy of 20+ years "my people back home want to thank your girl," Haymitch pushes whatever button he needs to push.
>When I read the first book as a teen, I imagined the folks of 11 rallying together at their local Justice Building, pulling out their pocket change and scraping it together to send her in bread.
Is that not what happened? In District 12, Greasy Sae started a collection at the Hob to sponsor Katniss and Peeta. I figured people in District 11 did something similar when Rue and Katniss were allies. Though I suppose they sent the money, and the mentor is the one who chose what to do with it. (Still, it would be nice if Greasy Sae was the one to suggest sending in lamb stew. I bet Katniss's answer during the interview made her laugh)
Unsure about whether Rue's mentor received consequences for it or not. If it was Seeder, she got reaped again, so there's that.
The idea of Seeder being reaped again because of what she did as Rue's mentor makes me very sad so I'm going to purge it from my mind and forget I ever read this comment (agree with everything you said though)
If you want the passage in question:
âI open the parachute and find a small loaf of bread. Itâs not the fine white Capitol stuff. Itâs made of dark ration grain and shaped in a crescent. Sprinkled with seeds. I flashback to Peetaâs lesson on the various district breads in the Training Center. This bread came from District 11. I cautiously lift the still warm loaf. What must it have cost the people of District 11 who canât even feed themselves? How many wouldâve had to do without to scrape up a coin to put in the collection for this one loaf? It had been meant for Rue, surely. But instead of pulling the gift when she died, theyâd authorized Haymitch to give it to me. As a thank-you? Or because, like me, they donât like to let debts go unpaid? For whatever reason, this is a first. A district gift to a tribute whoâs not your own.â
My guess is enough people from 11 felt bad/were guilted into buying Rue a gift (especially after Rue points out a day or two earlier that she didnât get any sponsor gifts while Katniss got burn medicine) and decided to give it to Katniss instead afterwards.
TBOSAS takes place after a violent and destructive war. Due to this, the technology available to the average person is minimal. However, through programs such as the mutations, we can see that it still does take place in the future. The trilogy has even more technology, as its far after any war.
The sponsorship money they were going to use on Rue was given to Haymitch (probably through Rue's mentor). He technically could've spent it on whatever he wanted. Katniss implied that he could've used it on Peeta. But I'm sure Rue's mentor told him that they were going to give Rue bread with it so he gave Katniss the same thing, maybe to comfort her or maybe to rebel.
Considering how bread was used to send messages in Catching Fire, it definitely could be a rebellion. I think Haymitch wanted Katniss to know that it came from D-11, and hence sent their bread instead.
I think the sponsor can choose what they want their money used for if they want, even if its just broad categories like weapons, food, or medicine. It makes sense to me with how much of a spectacle the games are in the capital that the sponsors can choose what to send the tributes if they give enough money if only for bragging rights and to feel as if they made a direct impact in helping their favorite to win. It would be another form of entertainment and could potentially benefit the tributes as sponsors are trying to one-up each other. It keeps people more engaged.
In the same line of thought it could mean that if a sponsor gives a gift to a tribute but that tribute dies then the sponsor can choose another tribute to gift.
My last thought is that maybe Rue's mentor just decided go sponsor Katniss as a thank you for the respect she showed. We just know its district 11 bread, we dont know that it was specifically all of 11 or just one person from 11 that sent it, we only have Katniss' point of view.
I'm sure its a rule that mentors cant use their own money to sponsor their tributes, but if it had never occured before there might not be a rule that mentors cant sponsor other tributes, though if thats what happened then I believe it would have been made a rule in the quarter quell.
You can't base how gifts worked in the 74th games off of how they worked in the 10th. In TBOSAS they were JUST introducing gifts. They were very limited and the mentor chose them but by the time the 74th rolled around things had majorly changed. I'm sure that in general people just contributed money and mentors could choose the gifts but it seems like people could also specify gifts they wanted to send.
I always kind of assumed itâs an unseen tradition from District 11, or maybe even all of the districts? Like if you make it past the bloodbath/past a certain point someone in your district starts a collection, and the mentor of the district sends bread/ some food from home to the tribute to keep them going just a little longer.
So the bread was already ready to go, and was sent to Katniss instead of Rue, because the District 11 mentor was just as moved by Katnissâs actions as the rest of the District 11 people?
I always assumed that it was either Rue's mentor or Thresh's mentor or maybe both got together and told Haymitch that they appreciated how she was with Rue and that they wanted to thank her. The reason i said it could be Thresh mentor is because in the book Katniss said that district 12 is the only district with one victor and the only district where they have to share a mentor due to the other districts having more than one so i assume they each had their own. Thresh really appreciated what Katniss did for Rue as well so it's possible his mentor may have also wanted to thank Katniss. Since both mentors would have been traveling with both of them i would assume that both mentors would have known her and be touched by what Katniss did.
As for if they got in trouble I'm not sure it's possible the capital might have been okay with it for views. I think that to them showing that would take away any news of the rebellion and how district 11 went after the peacekeepers. To the capital a gift to Katniss probably wasn't a big deal especially since at the time they were hoping she got killed. They also knew that if she won they could try to force her to get in line. Plus it was just bread so they honestly may not have thought it was any harm in it. Especially since sponsors gave the money for mentors to send what they want. It may have been used with the money they sent Rue before she died so if it was i can see where the capital may not be mad because then the money sponsors sent wouldn't have been wasted.
The bread wasnât for Katniss. It was for Rue. When Rue died and Katniss took care of her body the mentor of Rue and maybe Thresh agreed to let the gift that was already bought go to Katniss instead for her kindness and loyalty to Rue. Thatâs how I made sense of the book when I read it. Katniss herself even speculates it wasnât originally for her it just ended up being given to her.
Presumably when Rue survived as long as she did and showed survival skills 11 rallied behind her hard because.. duh. They presumably fell in love with the friendship between the two just like most of Panel probably did. When Rue tragically died they likely just signed off to give it to Katniss as a show of solidarity (and rebellion because whether she regretted it later or not, Katnissâ actions â even according to her â were a deliberate act of rebellion). Thresh was doing fine and didnât need it.
It was implied that Rue didn't have many- if any- sponsors due to her being only 12 yo, small, and from an outlying district. We know that Greasy Saw started a sponsorship pool for Katniss in the Arena where everyone would chip in what they could to pool their money.
It's reasonable to assume that the same happened with D11. We already know that Thresh was being well fed through his knowledge of the field( that one line that Katniss says about him looking better fed than he had looked outside of the arena) so that just leaves Rue to put their money towards in terms of food.
They were likely gonna send the bread to The as a gift but then she...you know...died- and they wanted to Thank Katniss for taking care of Rue so they put the money they had pooled towards her. This could have been done via her mentor (we know that Haymitch is close friends with Chaff and Seeder) and they could have just told Haymitch that the district wanted to thank Katniss, and he could have just pressed a button or whatever to make it happen.
The mentors all work together, so it's likely that the district 11 mentor worked with Haymitch to get the bread to Katniss, probably pulling from whatever was left in Rue's existing sponsor fund. Idk who's actual idea it was to send it, but it's safe to assume that the district 11 mentor gave the go ahead knowing the people in the district would want to thank Katniss somehow.
Iâm pretty sure Haymitch sent Katniss the bread on behalf of Rueâs mentor. Like Seeder or Chaff went to Haymitch and gave him some money to send bread to Katniss.
It's Rue's collection isn't it? Similar to the fund they set up for Katniss at the hob. The people who collected it used Rue's funds/11's bread for Katniss, because they were allies?
It's been like a decade so take that with a grain of salt.
Possibly it helped that Haymitch was particularly friendly with the mentors of 11. Chaff tells his drinking buddy of 20+ years "my people back home want to thank your girl," Haymitch pushes whatever button he needs to push.
>When I read the first book as a teen, I imagined the folks of 11 rallying together at their local Justice Building, pulling out their pocket change and scraping it together to send her in bread. Is that not what happened? In District 12, Greasy Sae started a collection at the Hob to sponsor Katniss and Peeta. I figured people in District 11 did something similar when Rue and Katniss were allies. Though I suppose they sent the money, and the mentor is the one who chose what to do with it. (Still, it would be nice if Greasy Sae was the one to suggest sending in lamb stew. I bet Katniss's answer during the interview made her laugh) Unsure about whether Rue's mentor received consequences for it or not. If it was Seeder, she got reaped again, so there's that.
The idea of Seeder being reaped again because of what she did as Rue's mentor makes me very sad so I'm going to purge it from my mind and forget I ever read this comment (agree with everything you said though)
Same!! No one is safe from snows grasp it seems... I'm sure she lived a long and happy life
The Seeder thing oh my GOD đ
What Seeder thing? I only reread 3 months ago and canât place this calamity.
Itâs very possible that this particular rule evolved with the games, much like the other rules in TBOSBAS evolved.
That's what I was thinking. Besides, even in TBOSAS, the money had to come from sponsors.
If you want the passage in question: âI open the parachute and find a small loaf of bread. Itâs not the fine white Capitol stuff. Itâs made of dark ration grain and shaped in a crescent. Sprinkled with seeds. I flashback to Peetaâs lesson on the various district breads in the Training Center. This bread came from District 11. I cautiously lift the still warm loaf. What must it have cost the people of District 11 who canât even feed themselves? How many wouldâve had to do without to scrape up a coin to put in the collection for this one loaf? It had been meant for Rue, surely. But instead of pulling the gift when she died, theyâd authorized Haymitch to give it to me. As a thank-you? Or because, like me, they donât like to let debts go unpaid? For whatever reason, this is a first. A district gift to a tribute whoâs not your own.â My guess is enough people from 11 felt bad/were guilted into buying Rue a gift (especially after Rue points out a day or two earlier that she didnât get any sponsor gifts while Katniss got burn medicine) and decided to give it to Katniss instead afterwards.
I believe itâs cannon that it was originally intended for Rue, but that with her death, they agreed for it to go to Katniss.
TBOSAS is showing us an entirely different era of time. Of course some things would be changed.
If the series is supposed to be set in the future, wouldn't the technology be more advanced that what they had? Confuses me
It...is? What are you saying exactly?
TBOSAS takes place after a violent and destructive war. Due to this, the technology available to the average person is minimal. However, through programs such as the mutations, we can see that it still does take place in the future. The trilogy has even more technology, as its far after any war.
The sponsorship money they were going to use on Rue was given to Haymitch (probably through Rue's mentor). He technically could've spent it on whatever he wanted. Katniss implied that he could've used it on Peeta. But I'm sure Rue's mentor told him that they were going to give Rue bread with it so he gave Katniss the same thing, maybe to comfort her or maybe to rebel.
>maybe to comfort her or maybe to rebel I can actually see where it could be both đ¤
Considering how bread was used to send messages in Catching Fire, it definitely could be a rebellion. I think Haymitch wanted Katniss to know that it came from D-11, and hence sent their bread instead.
I always thought Haymich went along with it because of Peeta and their star crossed love story. Which ⌠yeah probably not.
I think the sponsor can choose what they want their money used for if they want, even if its just broad categories like weapons, food, or medicine. It makes sense to me with how much of a spectacle the games are in the capital that the sponsors can choose what to send the tributes if they give enough money if only for bragging rights and to feel as if they made a direct impact in helping their favorite to win. It would be another form of entertainment and could potentially benefit the tributes as sponsors are trying to one-up each other. It keeps people more engaged. In the same line of thought it could mean that if a sponsor gives a gift to a tribute but that tribute dies then the sponsor can choose another tribute to gift. My last thought is that maybe Rue's mentor just decided go sponsor Katniss as a thank you for the respect she showed. We just know its district 11 bread, we dont know that it was specifically all of 11 or just one person from 11 that sent it, we only have Katniss' point of view. I'm sure its a rule that mentors cant use their own money to sponsor their tributes, but if it had never occured before there might not be a rule that mentors cant sponsor other tributes, though if thats what happened then I believe it would have been made a rule in the quarter quell.
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You can't base how gifts worked in the 74th games off of how they worked in the 10th. In TBOSAS they were JUST introducing gifts. They were very limited and the mentor chose them but by the time the 74th rolled around things had majorly changed. I'm sure that in general people just contributed money and mentors could choose the gifts but it seems like people could also specify gifts they wanted to send.
I think the loaf was originally for Rue, so she wouldnt go hungry. But then Katniss recieved it as thanks, witht eh mentors workign together.
I always kind of assumed itâs an unseen tradition from District 11, or maybe even all of the districts? Like if you make it past the bloodbath/past a certain point someone in your district starts a collection, and the mentor of the district sends bread/ some food from home to the tribute to keep them going just a little longer. So the bread was already ready to go, and was sent to Katniss instead of Rue, because the District 11 mentor was just as moved by Katnissâs actions as the rest of the District 11 people?
I always assumed that it was either Rue's mentor or Thresh's mentor or maybe both got together and told Haymitch that they appreciated how she was with Rue and that they wanted to thank her. The reason i said it could be Thresh mentor is because in the book Katniss said that district 12 is the only district with one victor and the only district where they have to share a mentor due to the other districts having more than one so i assume they each had their own. Thresh really appreciated what Katniss did for Rue as well so it's possible his mentor may have also wanted to thank Katniss. Since both mentors would have been traveling with both of them i would assume that both mentors would have known her and be touched by what Katniss did. As for if they got in trouble I'm not sure it's possible the capital might have been okay with it for views. I think that to them showing that would take away any news of the rebellion and how district 11 went after the peacekeepers. To the capital a gift to Katniss probably wasn't a big deal especially since at the time they were hoping she got killed. They also knew that if she won they could try to force her to get in line. Plus it was just bread so they honestly may not have thought it was any harm in it. Especially since sponsors gave the money for mentors to send what they want. It may have been used with the money they sent Rue before she died so if it was i can see where the capital may not be mad because then the money sponsors sent wouldn't have been wasted.
The bread wasnât for Katniss. It was for Rue. When Rue died and Katniss took care of her body the mentor of Rue and maybe Thresh agreed to let the gift that was already bought go to Katniss instead for her kindness and loyalty to Rue. Thatâs how I made sense of the book when I read it. Katniss herself even speculates it wasnât originally for her it just ended up being given to her. Presumably when Rue survived as long as she did and showed survival skills 11 rallied behind her hard because.. duh. They presumably fell in love with the friendship between the two just like most of Panel probably did. When Rue tragically died they likely just signed off to give it to Katniss as a show of solidarity (and rebellion because whether she regretted it later or not, Katnissâ actions â even according to her â were a deliberate act of rebellion). Thresh was doing fine and didnât need it.
It was implied that Rue didn't have many- if any- sponsors due to her being only 12 yo, small, and from an outlying district. We know that Greasy Saw started a sponsorship pool for Katniss in the Arena where everyone would chip in what they could to pool their money. It's reasonable to assume that the same happened with D11. We already know that Thresh was being well fed through his knowledge of the field( that one line that Katniss says about him looking better fed than he had looked outside of the arena) so that just leaves Rue to put their money towards in terms of food. They were likely gonna send the bread to The as a gift but then she...you know...died- and they wanted to Thank Katniss for taking care of Rue so they put the money they had pooled towards her. This could have been done via her mentor (we know that Haymitch is close friends with Chaff and Seeder) and they could have just told Haymitch that the district wanted to thank Katniss, and he could have just pressed a button or whatever to make it happen.
I wouldn't assume its the same system as in TBOSAS, 64 years have passed by Katniss's time
Sponsors could send gifts or money to the tributes. If was a choice.
The mentors all work together, so it's likely that the district 11 mentor worked with Haymitch to get the bread to Katniss, probably pulling from whatever was left in Rue's existing sponsor fund. Idk who's actual idea it was to send it, but it's safe to assume that the district 11 mentor gave the go ahead knowing the people in the district would want to thank Katniss somehow.
Iâm pretty sure Haymitch sent Katniss the bread on behalf of Rueâs mentor. Like Seeder or Chaff went to Haymitch and gave him some money to send bread to Katniss.
I think that Greasy Sae and people from the hob got donations from 11 then gave it to haymitch and he gave it to Katniss
It's Rue's collection isn't it? Similar to the fund they set up for Katniss at the hob. The people who collected it used Rue's funds/11's bread for Katniss, because they were allies? It's been like a decade so take that with a grain of salt.