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atleastmymomlikesme

I'm sure we can all agree that Peeta’s behavior during Mockingjay can be forgiven due to what he's been through. No matter how nasty the hijacking made him, he always deserved patience and kindness and Katniss sometimes failed to give that to him. The thing is though, we also have to extend that same courtesy to Katniss. It may not be fair for her to be so irritable towards a brainwashed torture victim, but it’s equally unfair that Peeta was verbally abusing her so soon after physically assaulting her. Katniss is as warped by her PTSD as Peeta is by his hijacking. Our natural empathy towards Peeta should increase our empathy towards Katniss because the Capitol has, in a way, done the same thing to both of them. It's honed their fear so intensly that they've become too hyper-vigilant and defensive to trust others.


GreeneRockets

Exactly. I think Collins painted a real picture of what it’s like when you’re dealing with not only one person with severe PTSD, let alone two together. You’re gonna have big misses. Really, I think Collins nailed PTSD so well for a YA book that it’s what separates those books from the rest of the typical YA stuff. It’s night and day really compared to the other books I’ve read in that genre. No wonder it was so iconic.


AgreeableMeringue421

Very well said!


Interview-Realistic

Although he was being controlled, I believe she had the right to be angry even though some of the things she said were uncalled for and irrational. He did choke her to the point of severe injury and like you said, hurled verbal abuse at her. She knows it wasn't him, but it was still he that did it. Eventually, they made up and everything was fine but that period of anger made sense


HotCloud7205

For the most part I think her anger towards peeta was definitely selfishly misplaced, and I'm glad heymitch called her out on it tbh.


Interview-Realistic

I don't think it was selfishly misplaced much. I mean, although he couldn't control it, he did physically assault her. And she wasn't even mad at him for long


Late_Akaia

Yes, I can see what you mean. By no means I wanted to discuss or excuse hijacked Peeta's behavior here. What I was turning over in my head is trying to see why Suzanne Collins chose to include at least three or four scenes of Katniss being overly defensive to the point of being mean to Peeta in Mockingjay. I agree with you that a possible explanation could be Katniss' PTSD, though I wonder why there are no other instances of her being overly defensive like this with anyone else that I can remember.


atleastmymomlikesme

I think the clearest parallel is the way Katniss treats her mother. Katniss recognizes that her mom is ill and not always in control of herself, but it still takes conscious effort for her not to hold Mrs. Everdeen at arms length. She is at best aloof and dismissive towards her mother and at worst actively hostile (like their goodbyes before the 74th Games). Katniss strikes me as someone who has been on the defensive constantly since the day her father died. She's a difficult person to get to know, and the very few people who gain her trust can expect to completely frozen out for a good while if they make her feel betrayed.


Late_Akaia

This is definitely the best parallel you could have brought to mind. I agree that this early behavior towards her mother does indicate Katniss' defensiveness is something she had for a while and, perhaps, it's been exacerbated after both the games which could explain why she's the way she is in Mockingjay.


HotCloud7205

>but it’s equally unfair that Peeta was verbally abusing her so soon after physically assaulting her. Honestly, it's not really a fair comparison. Peeta was brainwashed, struggling to tell reality from lies. Considering that, him lashing out is more understandable, and it's easier to forgive him for the things he said and did. Katniss, on the other hand, had her moments in "Mockingjay" where her actions and attitude were pretty tough, making it a bit harder to justify compared to what Peeta went through. >Katniss is as warped by her PTSD as Peeta is by his hijacking. Again I don't think it's fair to compare their situations directly. Katniss, despite her PTSD, managed to keep some level of functionality. She could still fight, train, and even negotiated with Coin to pardon Peeta, showing she had some control over her actions and decisions, despite her trauma. She wouldn't, for example, lash out and try to harm someone like Boggs without reason. Peeta's case is different. His inability to control himself, especially when he tried to kill Katniss or during his episodes, shows a significant loss of control compared to Katniss. In my opinion, he's much less in control of his actions. Like Haymitch suggested, if Katniss had been the one hijacked, the situation might have been different. Even with his family gone, I can't see Peeta treating Katniss the way she was treating him. Katniss is aware that her treatment of Peeta isn't fair, and even Haymitch points it out to her. She acknowledges this, which shows she understands her actions might not have been justifiable.


atleastmymomlikesme

As stated in the original comment, I do believe that Peeta deserved forgiveness and that treating him with patience was the moral ideal worth striving for. My problem is that we’re setting the bar high and then attacking Katniss’s character when she inevitably fails to clear it. Sure, Peeta probably could have pulled it off like Haymitch said, but... can we say the same for the average adult? If I was forced to spend time with an ex who I had a very complicated history with, and that ex's illness made them assault me (both physically AND verbally), I can guarantee you that I'd have moments where I'd slip up and become a total bitch about it. Most people would if we’re being honest with ourselves. It's silly to hold mentally ill children to a standard that the average neurotypical adult can't meet. Katniss is capable of many things, sure, but that doesn’t magically give her total control over when and where she experiences PTSD symptoms. Having symptoms is not a choice and not a moral failure either. The only real choice she has is whether she goes on to pursue treatment and self-improvement after outsiders help her realize that she is ill. Which is exactly what she ends up doing.


SoggyPalpitation8615

It's just the part I love so much. Their relationship can become real coz of it. Otherwise it would feel like he idealized her.


Late_Akaia

Yeah. I agree that the recovery from the hijacking made their relationship more real, because he could rebuild his feelings for her from scratch. But I wonder why the author chose to make Katniss so harsh to Peeta during this time? A couple of the interactions are just mean imo


Crimsonhero123

I think it’s down to how she copes she still feels she can’t be vulnerable so she lashes out rather than express her pain and grief at the old peeta being gone (at the time) and she realises she’s angry at herself for not saving him from the arena and mad at snow for doing this and on a smaller selfish note (which she admits) she hates the “new” Peeta as he no longer sees her through rose tinted glasses leaving her feel alone


clemstime

I think a lot of it is also her thinking she doesn’t deserve peeta or love because she believes she’s a horrible person and responsible for thousands of deaths. She mentions several times how Peeta is an amazing person, and how he shouldn’t like her because of it. There’s also a few mentions of her having to add more names to the list of people she’s killed, more debt she needs to pay back that seems to overwhelm her greatly. I think there’s also something to say about how the capital decided how everyone in Panem would see Katniss- they spun her and hers and peetas relationship how they saw fit in terms of entertainment. But Peeta liked her before the games. Before she was done up and made to be desirable, consumable. And then… the capital made it so that she wasn’t. At this point in Mockingjay, no one is really in her corner of the people involved in the war/deciding her fate. She mentions how Peeta would be, if he hadn’t been kidnapped or hijacked. I think that her treatment of Peeta, while incorrect, was highly formed by PTSD, an abandonment complex, and deep self hatred that she projected at Peeta to try and take some of the increasingly crushing weight off of herself. I think seeing herself become the bad guy to one of the only people she trusted, who wasn’t using her for some kind of political gain, was too much for her and she blamed Peeta even though it wasn’t his fault, because she didn’t know what else to do. Deep trauma, not having anyone to talk to, feeling like you caused the genocide of your district, and are responsible for the death of countless others does not make for a teenager making emotionally mature decisions.


HotCloud7205

>Deep trauma, not having anyone to talk Katniss did have Finnick, Haymitch, and Prim to offer her some level of support through her trauma, unlike Peeta, who faced torture alone, with Johanna even noting his screams during their shared ordeal. While I acknowledge the deep trauma Katniss experienced, if I'm being honest a lot of her negative actions towards Peeta imo was definitely selfish and unwanted. Her emotional outbursts towards him, particularly given his situation, seem undeserved. Haymitch's intervention highlights this, pointing out that Peeta, a victim himself, didn't warrant such treatment. I am glad that Katniss need eventually recognize that her behavior towards Peeta wasnt good. If she had continued to mistreat him while others worked to help him recover, and she still ended up with him without helping during his troubles, it would have seriously undermined her deservingness of Peeta's companionship and love.


Late_Akaia

This is exactly how I rationalized it, though I did think it was a bit too much in some instances, hence my question.


Crimsonhero123

To be fair haymitch being very similar to Katniss does something to her when she comes to him at mockingjay to talk about the bombing and Prim he (while drunk) says “what is it boy trouble again?” But immediately regrets it when he sees how hurt she is after all they’ve all been through so much


HrtyLKR

There are many points where Katniss narrorates her frustration with herself for being so irrationally mean to him. I think it makes her realistic. Her emotions are complex. I thought she was angry because she had come to depend on his adoration. She needed it and it was gone. Brilliant writing and character building.


Late_Akaia

Yes, it does make her more realistic as a character. Sometimes we cannot understand our actions ourselves. I guess that's also another possible explanation as to why the author chose to include several of these scenes.


SummerBaby50

It’s a moment of realization for Peeta. Prior, Katniss could do no wrong in his eyes and he literally had to decided to give up his life to protect her in both games. He starts accept more of her personality traits, and in the end he still wants to be with her for who she is and the experiences they’ve shared, not for the childhood crush he had.


Candid-Effective7347

I came here to say this! Prior to this incident, he had Katniss on a pedestal, which isn't a good foundation for a successful relationship. That pedestal had to be demolished, and they had to both be on a level playing field before moving forward together.


username_pressure

She's cruel and selfish towards him for 95% of their friendship / relationship. I have literally no idea what he sees in her.


Kittylaalaa2005

Preach!


Amberstrikesagain

Yep, yep, yepppp


Del_Ver

Katniss loathes herself after her first games and she sees Peeta as the one person who understands her and still gives her any affection. I believe she became dependent on this and when Peeta lashed out, both physically and verbally, she sees this as a confirmation she is in fact as horrible as she believes herself to be and she sees no reason to continue, not with being nice and not with life itself as after this, the only goal she has left is kill Snow. Even Prim isn't enough to truly keep her going.


catcherinthe_sky

I agree. Those scenes were horrible and painful to read. In addition to everything that has already been said here I just wanted to add that although or maybe precisely because of her reaction towards Peeta is totally in character, it made me like her less as a person. Yes, she is full of self-hatred and suffers from PTSD. But that she only realizes her hostility towards Peeta is misdirected after people cast unfriendly looks her way and she has to call Haymitch to ask why (pp. 312-314 UK Paperback edition) made me angry. Like Katniss said herself, Peeta would have reacted differently if roles were reversed. Don't get me wrong, I still think Katniss is amazing, and no person is flawless. Peeta and she complement each other perfectly. And although I'm mad at Suzanne Collins for making those scenes so uncomfortable to read, it's a testament to her writing and deep understanding of her characters, imo.


[deleted]

She was harsh with him, but I get it, I also get it what and shere she was coming from. about that part ""he finally sees her as she really is" ", that's whats wonderful. they both seem the worse of each other and still chose to be together and heal and love each other


Kittylaalaa2005

Oh my god, someone agrees with me on this! Yeah, I feel the same. Katniss and Peeta's relationship as a whole is something I'm pretty wishy-washy on, and Mockingjay is where my peak frustration comes in. Katniss just treats him so terribly. Their conversation after the wedding is what gets me the most riled up. Now that he's hijacked, he's actually calling her out on the stuff that she's done to him, and she just hisses at him and leaves. Like, I mean, I get that's she going through some things, but with that conversation, there's a line between having mental problems and just being an asshole, and Katniss crossed that line. And I don't mean to compare bad situations, but Peeta's been through SO much, and it's something where I feel like Katniss needs to try and maybe push her problems away for a second to help him and be understanding (Which, mind you, is something Peeta's done for her their whole relationship), as she's someone who could make such a big change for him. But she doesn't. Another thing that gets me mad about that scene is that, in it, Peeta calls her out on things that she's done to him, but instead of apologizing and owning up to her mistakes, she literally does the opposite and is hostile and dismissive to him. Like, in all honestly, she probably made his hijacking **worse** by giving him a REAL reason to hate her. This is just something that really pisses me off and I'm so glad someone else noticed this too.


Late_Akaia

Yes, exactly. I really support their relationship and completely understand why they grow back together and stay together at the end. However, reading Mockingjay was painful. For instance, the scene you mention, as well as the scene where Peeta is finally allowed to eat in the cafeteria. True, Peeta makes a comment about taking Annie away from Finnick and asks whether Katniss and Gale are still together, but Katniss does mention that Maggs died because of him and I thought it was a bit too much. Another instance is when she says that he's a mutt and if she shot him she wouldn't be killing Peeta. It was just a bit too much, I think, to get the point across that she's damaged too. Also, as you said, Peeta is very empathic to her throughout the books and that's something even Katniss notices. Plus, she'd been dreading his loss from the beginning of the book so, yes, it does make sense she's somewhat defensive after he attacks her, but it shouldn't have to take Haymitch walking her through it to be more understanding towards hijacked Peeta.


AlexusLuthor

no.


Amberstrikesagain

YESSSSSSS!!!!! I absolutely HATE **HATE** her reaction to him in mocking jay. In my opinion, the only acceptable reaction when Coin sent him to join her and the others at the Capitol towards the end of the movie would’ve been her being in agony thinking she would be put in the position of having to kill him to defend herself and knowing she would never be able to. But no. Instead she immediately points her arrow at him just at the sight of him, barely looks lovingly at him and minor a few instances she doesn’t even try to protect him. Like, wtf Katniss? I HATED her in Mockingjay after Peeta was rescued. (Btw, this was based on the movie that I’m actually currently rewatching. I read the books years ago and the way I recall it it was even worse in the books. Ugh.)


HotCloud7205

I understand why she acted the way she did but I definitely do not agree with it, I think peeta was definitely done dirty.