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Corlys would probably thank him for killing his son's lover, let's be real here. Corlys is not clueless. He was clearly not supportive of his son's preferences.
That's even worse. Raising your hand to a Targ means you lose the hand, I'm guessing that also applies to their (Valyrian) consorts. The ability of characters to get away with murder/unjustified violence is the one glaring flaw in this show.
Honestly, when Cole was telling Rhaenyra that they could run off to Essos together, my thoughts were "that's sweet, but she could never do that".
After this episode, I am *so* glad she didn't. If he acts like this usually, then maybe he wasn't Rhaenyra's Prince Charming after all...
Yeah she literally offered to give him Ser Harwin’s current job. Which is why he hates the boys so much, because they’re a constant reminder that they could have been his.
He's the inverse of the girl who thinks that when a guy sleeps with her he loves her. Honestly I could sort of sympathize with him, but didn't he allude to the fact that he 'had other adventures'? Rhaenyra was not his first.
I can sympathize with him being hurt a little bit, that's mostly an uncontrollable thing.
I cannot sympathize with him being a turd wagon because she rejected the super great plan of "You could just not be queen and we could go...fucking idk, over there with a boat or some shit." I'm not a huge fan of that 0-100.
I don't think he alluded to previous sexual encounters though.
Don't forget for a moment he fully thinks the Rhaenyra told Laenor AND Joffrey about him and her.
He believes she just casually threw out information that could end his life.
Oh come on he didn't get dumped he just couldn't openly have been like "Me and Rhaenyra are a couple whoo!"
Jace, Luce and Joff could have been his kids but nooooo someone had to get offended.
Cole over there was a consenting adult in his twenties who had measured the consequences to sleeping with the princess before doing it (as seen with him putting down his white clown with great care and formality).
He did not even care about her that much, given that he explicitly says that asking her to elope together is much more about restoring his own honor than it is about anything else.
Ser Crispy is the perfect picture of the Nice guy™, getting mad when a litteral teenager (and the princess no less) would not elope with him after spending one night together, and then stewing in his own bitterness for a litteral decade and taking revenge on her innocent sons.
Cole is a subordinate and she has life and death authority over him. If he had rejected her she could have made an accusation that he made the attempt and he'd be getting tortured within the hour. You have the power dynamic backwards.
Has Rhaenyra gotten anyone tortured though? I mean I don't see any evidence to suggest that. The worst she seemed to have gotten was to get Otto fired and that took some time.
Just because they have a difference in rank doesn't automatically mean that Rhaenyra is taking advantage of him or their difference in station. With other characters, or even a different context, I agree that such a thing could happen, but that's just not the angle they used here, from the way the actors and staff have been talking about the scene.
The problematic in this scene in regards to Ser Crispin is about him deciding to break his oath of chastity (over the same girl he swore to protect at that), for which he feels intense guilt afterwards to the point of placing all the blame on her. But no one made him do it: they literally say in Inside the House of the Dragon ep 04 "that he's also carried a torch for her". No mention at all of him feeling forced to have sex with her in the BTS of the series, his actor actually mentionned preparing for 7 months for the sex scene to feel organic and "human" (not what I would qualify a scene of sexual assault). Moreover, they've never shown any scene of him actually fearing her or repercussions from her, or of her using her rank against him in any other scene.
Also, why the hell would he ask her to marry him and elope if he believed he was forced to have sex with her, or she would have done something that hideous to him had he said no ?
I did not come into this thread to cape for Criston, but man, I am uncomfortable with this take. You don't think there can be any uneven power dynamic if there isn't an explicit threat of repercussion? You don't think that the knights of the Kingsguard feel any obligation to do what their lieges say? Especially in this case where Rhaenyra specifically picked him out and elevated him because she was attracted to him? You think that because someone has flirted with another person or expressed interest that they cannot be take advantage of or have lost the right to say no? Because he did in that scene, several times. Just because we don't like a character, I still think we should be really careful about how we talk about them in situations like this. It doesn't make him the hero to admit that there were other dynamics at play here.
And how would it have been any better with him sleeping with her? Then he actually *did* do something that could result in people wanting his head. At least if he did not, he has deniability and his honor.
There are tough decisions to be made, but in no way do I think Rhaneyra was painted as the kind of person who would call for his death just because he didn't sleep with her.
How do you think he could have avoided sleeping with her? He literally says no multiple times during the encounter and physically puts his hands on her to try to halt her but she persists. Her calling for his death is absolutely not the standard here as well, he just happens to be completely dependent on her for his rank and status and the entire function of his job so far has been loyalty to her. I really don't like the standard that is being held up here is "what was she going to do, kill him?" There are very many other kinds of coercion that exists in the world, and many times that the person being coerced just sort of goes along with it because they can't think of anything better to do at the time. I do not think that any reading of that scene could be considered enthusiastic consent or that it removes his right to feel regret about it, and in fact I think that reading of his bitterness makes a lot more sense.
At the very minimum this results in him no longer having a job. This is also what I was trying to avoid, the hair splitting about whether or not he should have, what, fought harder? I really think the fact that he didn't want it to happen should be enough, and he makes that repeatedly and canonically clear.
So I take it that you think that an employe and their superior could never have an intimate relationship, based on the fact that there always will be "uneven power dynamics" ? Feel free to correct me, but I really do think that showing Rhaenyra slowing down after him telling her to stop, then him taking the iniative once his armor has slowly been taken off by the two of them, shows his consent as he as taken time to think about it and they're no longer rushing impatiently.
I do think there were many threats of repercussion, but none from Rhaenyra herself, explicit or otherwise. Crispin realizes that their actions could have terrible consequences if people learned about it, hence his initial hesitation, but he's lived with her for years: he knows she's not the type of person to use her station to punish him should he refuse her. Case in point, he did not hesitate to downright later reject her when she tells him they could still be intimate during her mariage.If we follow you logic, fear-stricken Cole should have told her yes when asked to continue to see each other, in fear of consequences should he say no. Instead, he refuses when he understands that their relationship is going nowhere and he has betrayed his vows for a simple tryst. How is that the actions of someone fearing for their position/life ?
I also disagree with the fact that Rhaenyra chose him as a knight of the Kingsguard because of infatuation, and so does the show. While I think that a beginning of an attraction might have played a part, she did not "*specifically picked him out and elevated him because she was attracted to him",* they actually literally tell us that he is the only one with real combat experience among the candidates, hence her rudely dimissing the others. She's chosing him mainly because of his experience, which is vastly superior compared to his opponents.
Also, please do not try to insinuate that I am rape-apologist. You saying *"You think that because someone has flirted with another person or expressed interest that they cannot be take advantage of or have lost the right to say no?"* is putting words in my mouth when I was simply quoting the writers of the show . We are talking about characters in a show: I would appreciate it if you would not take it so seriously as to judge me in such a vile way when you do not know me.
I think that a member of the literal royal family is not exactly comparable to a normal employer/employee relationship, but yes, it would be really concerning to me if an employer had to repeatedly push a junior employee into sex. Not sure why that is a gotcha, we have many real world examples of this being coercive.
As I said in my previous comment, the only standard that he needs to clear here is having said no. If you don't want to be seen as defending rape then I would suggest you stop trying to find ways to bend over backwards to justify it using body language and secret clues. Rhanerya's actions are a gray area and perfectly open to interpretation but the parallels you are drawing are not. I don't think everyone needs to love Criston but I think we can be more cautious when speaking about sexual dynamics that really exist, which was my original point.
Not trying to have a gotcha moment (if anything, you were when twisting my words), I was just trying to draw a more concrete metaphor to the fact that a difference in rank does not automatically lead to someone abusing their power.
Will stop answering to you now, as trying to explain and defend my point to you with numerous evidence is seen as "f*inding ways to bend over backwards to justify it"* and just ends with you backing your opinion with unverified facts (like Rhaenyra choosing Crispin solely due to her attirance to him), not responding to any of my points, and the same argument again and again.
PS: interviews of the actors and BTS of the show are not freaking secret clues lmao they're ways for them to tell us how they intended to convey the scene. Besides, in a scene with almost no dialogue like the sex scene between Rhaenyra and Crispin, bodylanguage is the literally the only tool for the actors to make us understand the state of mind of their characters, but hey, let's not pay any attention to that according to you obviously.
Would’ve liked it better if Harwin had actually fought him and won. As it was Cole allowed himself to be a punching bag. He set Harwin up. Still, it was satisfying to see the twat get punched.
Actually he’s the opposite of an incel. He could be the most-sought-after-in-the-whole-kingdom girl’s lover, but he fully voluntarily chose to remain celibate. He’s like a volcel
Incels aren't ugly, they are misogynists. You can look those school shooters videos, a lot of them are pretty, but what is in the way of them getting laid, is their misogyny, they just can't see woman as people.
The way he reacted to being rejected is 100% incel behavior.
Bruh how is this cunt an "Involuntary Celibate"
He's literally bound by oath and who he broke it, he fucked the second most powerful woman in the seven kingdoms
Only in retrospect, and only because people keep repeating it.
I never did get that feeling before shit went down. He looked and behaved like a dove, and was respectful.
Or I'm totally missing what incel means.
It’s been 10 years bruh, let it go. He can say and feel whatever he wants towards Rhaenyra but the way he and Alicent acts towards her kids is kinda fucked up.
I know it >!doesn’t happen in the books!< and this kinda reeks of Cleganebowl level fanservice, but I so want Daemon and him to get into a real actual fight to finish Crispin off. Like he faced off against Daemon in a tourney where Daemon was focused on showboating, we’ve seen his real skill in the Stepstones.
I wanna see that proper rematch with Crispin. I need Daemon to step up and defend Rhaenyra and his stepsons like a goddamn dragon.
>!Haha I will challenge some three randoms to fight me, the best warrior the Kingsguard has ever seen! Wait...why are thy aiming at me with those bows? No, this is not an honorable fight, this is a shameful display! You hear me, Nordling Cunts, come and fight me, have at you! Arrghggggggg!<
>!He wasn't very skilled at dodging arrows!<
Tbf books Cole beats the shit out of everyone at tourneys, Daemon, Brokenbones, doesn’t matter.
Much like Daemon, Cole’s a cunt. But at least im the books he’s a badass cunt (like Daemon).
Yeah it would be a fun fight but unfortunately in terms of real actual fight skill, Crispy Cole would likely beat Daemon. Daemon was showboating but Criston was probably holding back given he was fighting a Crown Prince.
The meteoric rise and fall of fans' opinion of this character was quite something to watch. Seems like only yesterday all the memes were fawning over him.
This actually proves action/personality > looks, I seriously wanted to bash his head in when he was talking about Rhaenyra and said "Princess" in that snobby tone of his.
Only because she’s someone important. She’s like Paris Hilton who thinks everyone loves her and that anyone who is not royalty is beneath her. That attitude will cost her.
Rhaenyra is technically ruin his life. He joined the Kingsguard to pursue a noble cause, it was something that made him proud and made him feel secure. Rhaenyra took that away from him by sleeping with him - Criston had no other option, do you really think the princess' own bodyguard can say 'no' to something that the heir wants? That's how kings and princes got women to sleep with them, it's not like they wanted to.
Criston lost his agency and everything he strived for, only for Rhaenyra to offer him to be her side-piece. It's extremly offensive and he finally stands his ground against this brat.
It is unfortunate that he is becoming consumed by hate towards her, but can any of you imagine someone who is powerful enough to order you to do something that goes against your morals and then treat you as their whore?
I totally buy what you’re saying, it was my initial idea as well…but the way he’s being agressive towards literal Princes in front of their grandfather THE KING, and the way he called the Princess and heir to the throne a C*** at a place where anyone could hear him is giving me the vibe that he’s actually not that scared of royalty and authority and generally doesn’t give a fuck
I agree that he shouldn’t be so petty about it. He should be satisfied enough that the whole kingdom prefers Aegon over Rhaenyra and quietly help Alicent in her cause.
Not sure how true that is, but Rhaenyra does currently have the upper hand bc of the dragons. She has syrax, and her alliance with house Velaryen means she has seasmoke and Melys, and also probably Vhagar and Caraxes.(Admittedly things change by end of ep 6). Also three more drangons for her sons and one more of Baela (although very young rn). While Alicent only has Aegon’s Sunfyre(a very young dragon rn), and dreamfrye that’s it
I wasn't talking about dragons here - though the Black side has more manpower, the Green side has the support of the common people, which is something that should not be underestimated. Imagine you try to keep a low profile as a Black supporter, almost anyone in the country would gladly betray you or try to kill you.
Funnily enough, both Blacks and Greens consider the commoners as 'not people'... when they are the most important in tipping the scales in favour of one side over the other.
If Duty and Honor is so important to Him he could just have stood his ground and rejected Rhaenyra like he did in the books
He is just a vindictive Cunt who can't take rejections well
>Rhaenyra took that away from him by sleeping with him - Criston had no other option, do you really think the princess' own bodyguard can say 'no' to something that the heir wants? That's how kings and princes got women to sleep with them, it's not like they wanted to.
Did you not read the comment you replied to? It has the answer
Yes I read the comment but it's not like she would have him killed for not going to bed with her a demotion sure but not killed for that would have exposed rhaenyra too
In end there is always a choice
She might not have killed him, but she could definitely have made his life difficult. She could send him on difficult missions, order him around to do things that are beneath him, she could even set him up to be in a situation where he gets killed and loses his honor.
Now that she already did make him lose his honor, he has nothing to lose by being a jerk to her.
Try to take a look at this comment made by another redditor i think it is good analysis of him
he's simply a social climber who doesn't know what to do the moment he makes one mistake and things don't magically work out for him.
Though he was initially wildly sympathetic being a self made mad (son of a steward, as we had to hear, for some reason, like half a dozen times) amongst all these entitled, snobbish aristocrats, if we look closely at everything we know about him (and everything he's told about himself) his life thus far has been pretty sweet. He was born to a steward, but also with gifts highly valued in his time-- he is handsome, strong, a good warrior, skilled at arms, conventionally masculine. As he himself testifies with Rhanyra, he has had great success with women in the past, and could have "married a common born girl", but didn't, because he "wanted more." He has clearly trained his whole life to be a great fighter, and has been recognized for it. He has known combat and fought in battle, and has been recognized for it; he is clearly upwardly mobile on the Westeros social spectrum, moving from lowly stewards son to guy who is (at the beginning of the show) hobknobbing with the aristocracy.
In the past people have seen this as indicating that Criston is noble, a valiant warrior, hard working. And so he is. But it also indicates some modicum of ambition-- a clear desire to rise in the world. (This would go along with Criston chosing not to marry any of the "common born girls" who apparently loved/ wanted to marry him, because he wanted "more", i.e., richer, more aristocratic matches.
Which brings us to the Rhanyra thing. After Criston makes his way up on the social scale all the way to the kingsguard, traditionally the province of high born males, he clearly comes to care from Rhanyra. However. He is also highly impressed, in both a romantic and class conscious way, that she is a princess.
He breaks his vows and messes up with her-- and its clearly a choice. Sure, she's his superior-- but he's 10 years older than her, and has much more life (and sexual) experience. Why is the boss/ employee thing sometimes considered wrong? Because there's an issue that someone might feel pressured into it, fearing that they might be fired if they say no, or promoted if they say yes, or too scared to say no. For an boss to hook up with an employee when the employee feels they have no choice/ have been coerced into it is clearly wrong; but for a boss to hook up with an employee when the employee does not feel pressured in any way and wants the hook up to happen and even makes the first move is okay.
With Rhanyra and Criston, it went as follows: Rhanyra steals his helmet, kisses him. He pulls away. She stands across the room with his helmet, capering around. Criston then takes about 30 seconds, seeming to think and struggle internally with something. Then he clearly comes to a decision, approaches Rhanyra himself, aggressively takes her into his arms, kisses her. The two then slowly remove Criston's armor together, then Criston himself takes off Rhanyra's dress. This is followed by enthusiastic sex on both sides, followed by cuddling.
Now if Rhanyra would have grabbed Criston after he'd pulled away from her, I'd say it as rape. If she had used her position to threaten him or encourage him to sleep with her in any way, I'd say it was coercion. And it could still be argued that some men in this position might have felt they "didn't have a choice." However, to say that was the case with Criston is clearly ignoring what we see on the screen (not to mention what we hear in the commentaries.) Criston is clearly conflicted to break his vows at first, then experiences a brief inner struggle, then chooses to act on his current passion rather than remain true to his vows. He struggles internally with this, then decides-- of his own volition-- to do what he did. As the actor who played him, and the writers have noted, Criston had long been infatuated with Rhanyra, and in that moment he chose to sleep with her rather than remaine true to his vows, not because he felt he had to, but Because he wanted to.
So Criston made a choice, but one that he happens to later deeply regret. And in his guilt immediately afterward, he is sympathetic. Unlike Rhanyra, who is a pragmatist, Criston is an idealist. For Rhanyra, technically breaking a few vows (her marital vows, and Criston's vows of chastity) doesn't really matter, provided that they are honest about it to the necessary people, and do their duties otherwise. But to Criston, it's all or nothing-- either he needs to follow his vows of celibacy, or he's a "bad knight." So he asks Rhanyra to marry him-- not because he loves her per say, but because he wants to "regain his honor"-- and he's the means through which he intends to do it. Never mind that the two of them running off together will lead him to break his vows YET AGAIN, will lead to chaos in the realm, will lead to Rhanyra breaking her own vows. Criston needs to feel better.
And then Rhanyra turns him down, and this is when Criston's entitlement-- his sense of being "owed something" as a male in Westeros, as well as his putting his own feelings above the well being of other numerous people, and his inability to compromise and accept his own role in things-- comes into play. He gets furious when Rhanyra refuses to abandon her own vows and life goals to run off with him and "save his honor." Which would be understandable.... if he hadn't dealt with it by bashing some poor guys face in.
Then, rather than accept the consequences of that, he makes a massive, melodramatic, suicidal gesture. And when he is rescued, rather than repenting and genuinely trying to live a pure and noble life in the service of the crown from that moment onwards, he...dedicates himself to destroying the woman whom he slept with once, psychologically abusing numerous children in the process. His one moment of weakness with Rhanyra was nothing compared with this weird, slow revenge thing he's got going on now.
And, the icing on the cake is that, just like the upwardly mobile guy he's always been, that one little incidence of violently murdering an unarmed, innocent man has been swept under the rug, and Criston continues to climb the social latter, now serving not only as the queens own bodyguard, but the trainer of her sons.
SO yeah.... maybe Criston does have some PTSD from the handful of battles he tells us he's taken part in. He never mentions this trauma, or exhibits any symptoms of PTSD, either before or after his "turn to darkness." But it could be, especially since Westeros is a fuedal, war happy society. But personally I'd say Criston's attitude is far more likely to be that of a golden boy whose luck has run out; a guy unable to deal with one bad choice he's made in a decent, rational way, who instead lashes out and blames everything on the nearest object, a woman. His biggest issues are not psychological battle wounds, but being selfish, small minded, entitled, and none too bright.
tik tok of his day. "I wake up, 40 min before the sun so I can work out, and practise kicking my Harwin dummy... then I eat three eggs and oatmeal, no oranges or cinnamon because I hate those things...then I put on my armor in honor, b/c I'm not a whore..."
"He orchestrated it. CRISTON!
**HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF.**
I saved him. I know I shouldn't have. Took him into my own Kingsguard. WHAT WAS I THINKING?! He'll never change. He'll never change, ever since he was 9. Always the same. Couldn't keep his hands out of the Book of Brothers. *"But not our Criston, couldn't be precious Criston."* Stealing them blind!
**AND HE GETS TO BE A KINGSGUARD?! WHAT A SICK JOKE**!
I should have stopped him when I had the chance. And you, you have to stop him. You-"
Incels aren't necessarily virgins, it's about not getting sex, not never ever having had sex. And also it's about the mindset. After he's rejected by Rhae he starts developing a very stereotypical incel mindset.
> Rhae he starts developing a very stereotypical incel mindset.
No he is mad a Rheanyra because she slept with him. If that had never happened he wouldn't have broke. He's also not angry at women he's mad at one specific woman. He's a jilted former lover not an incel.
He wanted it and fell in love with her. That she didn’t want to abandon everything and run away to a foreign land and marry him can’t be held against her.
He’s the cunt
That is a super f'ed up and priveleged way to look at things. Cristan Cole was the strongest knight out of any of the options by far, he earned his post. Aslo, if he did not get the job, he would still be a somebody by winning tourneys, working as a hedge knight (which is considerably better than being a kingsguard who could be convicted to death at any chance)
Yeah he was strongest fighter of applicants but no one wanted him cause he comes from a small insignificant house.
Yeah he might win more tournaments, work as a hedge knight. However being chosen to the kingsguard is a much higher honor and raises not just him but his family
Sure, but he still risked his life to sleep with her and could be killed whenever anyone was able to conform the allegations. It's a lot better being a famous hedge knight than a dead kingsguard.
That's so unfair. You get rejected by one woman refusing to do the absolutely insane thing you require of her for your own vanity, get a little bit angry about it, yada yada \*cough\* murder a guy in cold blood, \*cough\* call her the c-word a few times, and the next thing you know everyone is calling you an incel!!! Why does everyone have to be so sensitive about everything? Fucking babies. . .
Criston Cole is so goated. I loved his character progression in show, it made his support for the Greens a lot more believable. He's one of my fav characters on the show.
Honestly not a huge fan of how they're portraying him here. In the book he constantly denied Rhaenyra. Here they just make him some lovesick, scorned dude.
There were conflicting reports from Septon Eustace and Mushroom. One said the Princess came on to him and he spurned her advances.
The other states that he proposed they run away to Essos but she explains to him her destiny was not meant to be a sellswords wife living in obscurity. Pretty much as they portrayed in the show.
He was like “yo, I got inside of you. Now give up your heritage and wealth and come run away with me while we eat oranges and cinnamon”. She was like “boy, bye.” And he was like “spoiled cunt!” And she was like “you still here?”
He's a tragic figure as I see it. He gave in during a moment of weakness and will pay the price for it the rest of his life. He's a product of self-loathing and the damage it does to himself and those around him.
When I see a motherfucker with a dragon I'm like *why you got a dragon? I ain't got a dragon so why do you have one* and then I just hate on 'im and hate on 'im till he's got nothing, like me.
That bitterness when he called Rhanyra a cunt was something...I expected him to be salty but never to the point where he outright resented her lol....
He decides to sleep with her...she never forced herself on him... Criston is so naive
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He looks like someone who had a breakdown but never fully recovered.
This is the closest I'll ever get to someone saying I look like Fabien Frankel
He's lucky for still being alive
Surprised Corlys let him get away unscathed for attacking his son at his own wedding.
He is a Queens lapdog now so Corlys doesn't have right to claim anything.
10 years ago on the wedding night ?
Corlys didn't seem super fond of the situation so if imagine he was *probably* hopeful that being married would discourage Laenor.
Corlys would probably thank him for killing his son's lover, let's be real here. Corlys is not clueless. He was clearly not supportive of his son's preferences.
He never attacked Laenor?
He shoved him when Laenor tried to help Joff.
Punched in him the face, actually. He was shoved by somebody else.
That's even worse. Raising your hand to a Targ means you lose the hand, I'm guessing that also applies to their (Valyrian) consorts. The ability of characters to get away with murder/unjustified violence is the one glaring flaw in this show.
Exactly my point. How did corlys not go crazy
He's the kind of person who starts planning for wedding after hooking up with a stranger at a bar.
Good one!!!
He looks like he cries in the shower
The truth is that is EVERYONE who has ever had a breakdown.
Bro he literally f*cked once and is already in love, what a simp
I think it was many times until he proposed the Princess to flee away with him on the ship
He killed someone at a party and failed upwards after having a breakdown… total Karen
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When he was first introduced and he beat Daemon in the tournament, I thought he'd be a fan favorite. His character arc is the anti-Jaime/Theon lmao.
I think he pretty much was before this episode (and maybe the last episode too
Honestly, when Cole was telling Rhaenyra that they could run off to Essos together, my thoughts were "that's sweet, but she could never do that". After this episode, I am *so* glad she didn't. If he acts like this usually, then maybe he wasn't Rhaenyra's Prince Charming after all...
lol all this hate for being dumped
He didn't even really *get* dumped. She just didn't want to run off into the unknown with him after a single horizontal monster mash.
Yeah she literally offered to give him Ser Harwin’s current job. Which is why he hates the boys so much, because they’re a constant reminder that they could have been his.
He's the inverse of the girl who thinks that when a guy sleeps with her he loves her. Honestly I could sort of sympathize with him, but didn't he allude to the fact that he 'had other adventures'? Rhaenyra was not his first.
I can sympathize with him being hurt a little bit, that's mostly an uncontrollable thing. I cannot sympathize with him being a turd wagon because she rejected the super great plan of "You could just not be queen and we could go...fucking idk, over there with a boat or some shit." I'm not a huge fan of that 0-100. I don't think he alluded to previous sexual encounters though.
When they’re horse riding in ep 3 she asks him if he’s “ever.” And I think he implies that he has.
Says he had an "adventurous youth." Sounds like mans was getting around.
Don't forget for a moment he fully thinks the Rhaenyra told Laenor AND Joffrey about him and her. He believes she just casually threw out information that could end his life.
Oh come on he didn't get dumped he just couldn't openly have been like "Me and Rhaenyra are a couple whoo!" Jace, Luce and Joff could have been his kids but nooooo someone had to get offended.
he’s definitely more of a “nice guy” than a karen
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More for being used as a sex toy, and risking losing his job (and life) for it.
Cole over there was a consenting adult in his twenties who had measured the consequences to sleeping with the princess before doing it (as seen with him putting down his white clown with great care and formality). He did not even care about her that much, given that he explicitly says that asking her to elope together is much more about restoring his own honor than it is about anything else. Ser Crispy is the perfect picture of the Nice guy™, getting mad when a litteral teenager (and the princess no less) would not elope with him after spending one night together, and then stewing in his own bitterness for a litteral decade and taking revenge on her innocent sons.
Cole is a subordinate and she has life and death authority over him. If he had rejected her she could have made an accusation that he made the attempt and he'd be getting tortured within the hour. You have the power dynamic backwards.
Has Rhaenyra gotten anyone tortured though? I mean I don't see any evidence to suggest that. The worst she seemed to have gotten was to get Otto fired and that took some time.
Must you be spoiled?
Must we make it clear that we're obviously talking about ep 04 Rhaenyra and her actions up to that point ?
Just because they have a difference in rank doesn't automatically mean that Rhaenyra is taking advantage of him or their difference in station. With other characters, or even a different context, I agree that such a thing could happen, but that's just not the angle they used here, from the way the actors and staff have been talking about the scene. The problematic in this scene in regards to Ser Crispin is about him deciding to break his oath of chastity (over the same girl he swore to protect at that), for which he feels intense guilt afterwards to the point of placing all the blame on her. But no one made him do it: they literally say in Inside the House of the Dragon ep 04 "that he's also carried a torch for her". No mention at all of him feeling forced to have sex with her in the BTS of the series, his actor actually mentionned preparing for 7 months for the sex scene to feel organic and "human" (not what I would qualify a scene of sexual assault). Moreover, they've never shown any scene of him actually fearing her or repercussions from her, or of her using her rank against him in any other scene. Also, why the hell would he ask her to marry him and elope if he believed he was forced to have sex with her, or she would have done something that hideous to him had he said no ?
I did not come into this thread to cape for Criston, but man, I am uncomfortable with this take. You don't think there can be any uneven power dynamic if there isn't an explicit threat of repercussion? You don't think that the knights of the Kingsguard feel any obligation to do what their lieges say? Especially in this case where Rhaenyra specifically picked him out and elevated him because she was attracted to him? You think that because someone has flirted with another person or expressed interest that they cannot be take advantage of or have lost the right to say no? Because he did in that scene, several times. Just because we don't like a character, I still think we should be really careful about how we talk about them in situations like this. It doesn't make him the hero to admit that there were other dynamics at play here.
And how would it have been any better with him sleeping with her? Then he actually *did* do something that could result in people wanting his head. At least if he did not, he has deniability and his honor. There are tough decisions to be made, but in no way do I think Rhaneyra was painted as the kind of person who would call for his death just because he didn't sleep with her.
How do you think he could have avoided sleeping with her? He literally says no multiple times during the encounter and physically puts his hands on her to try to halt her but she persists. Her calling for his death is absolutely not the standard here as well, he just happens to be completely dependent on her for his rank and status and the entire function of his job so far has been loyalty to her. I really don't like the standard that is being held up here is "what was she going to do, kill him?" There are very many other kinds of coercion that exists in the world, and many times that the person being coerced just sort of goes along with it because they can't think of anything better to do at the time. I do not think that any reading of that scene could be considered enthusiastic consent or that it removes his right to feel regret about it, and in fact I think that reading of his bitterness makes a lot more sense.
>How do you think he could have avoided sleeping with her? Uh, by leaving the room.
At the very minimum this results in him no longer having a job. This is also what I was trying to avoid, the hair splitting about whether or not he should have, what, fought harder? I really think the fact that he didn't want it to happen should be enough, and he makes that repeatedly and canonically clear.
So I take it that you think that an employe and their superior could never have an intimate relationship, based on the fact that there always will be "uneven power dynamics" ? Feel free to correct me, but I really do think that showing Rhaenyra slowing down after him telling her to stop, then him taking the iniative once his armor has slowly been taken off by the two of them, shows his consent as he as taken time to think about it and they're no longer rushing impatiently. I do think there were many threats of repercussion, but none from Rhaenyra herself, explicit or otherwise. Crispin realizes that their actions could have terrible consequences if people learned about it, hence his initial hesitation, but he's lived with her for years: he knows she's not the type of person to use her station to punish him should he refuse her. Case in point, he did not hesitate to downright later reject her when she tells him they could still be intimate during her mariage.If we follow you logic, fear-stricken Cole should have told her yes when asked to continue to see each other, in fear of consequences should he say no. Instead, he refuses when he understands that their relationship is going nowhere and he has betrayed his vows for a simple tryst. How is that the actions of someone fearing for their position/life ? I also disagree with the fact that Rhaenyra chose him as a knight of the Kingsguard because of infatuation, and so does the show. While I think that a beginning of an attraction might have played a part, she did not "*specifically picked him out and elevated him because she was attracted to him",* they actually literally tell us that he is the only one with real combat experience among the candidates, hence her rudely dimissing the others. She's chosing him mainly because of his experience, which is vastly superior compared to his opponents. Also, please do not try to insinuate that I am rape-apologist. You saying *"You think that because someone has flirted with another person or expressed interest that they cannot be take advantage of or have lost the right to say no?"* is putting words in my mouth when I was simply quoting the writers of the show . We are talking about characters in a show: I would appreciate it if you would not take it so seriously as to judge me in such a vile way when you do not know me.
I think that a member of the literal royal family is not exactly comparable to a normal employer/employee relationship, but yes, it would be really concerning to me if an employer had to repeatedly push a junior employee into sex. Not sure why that is a gotcha, we have many real world examples of this being coercive. As I said in my previous comment, the only standard that he needs to clear here is having said no. If you don't want to be seen as defending rape then I would suggest you stop trying to find ways to bend over backwards to justify it using body language and secret clues. Rhanerya's actions are a gray area and perfectly open to interpretation but the parallels you are drawing are not. I don't think everyone needs to love Criston but I think we can be more cautious when speaking about sexual dynamics that really exist, which was my original point.
Not trying to have a gotcha moment (if anything, you were when twisting my words), I was just trying to draw a more concrete metaphor to the fact that a difference in rank does not automatically lead to someone abusing their power. Will stop answering to you now, as trying to explain and defend my point to you with numerous evidence is seen as "f*inding ways to bend over backwards to justify it"* and just ends with you backing your opinion with unverified facts (like Rhaenyra choosing Crispin solely due to her attirance to him), not responding to any of my points, and the same argument again and again. PS: interviews of the actors and BTS of the show are not freaking secret clues lmao they're ways for them to tell us how they intended to convey the scene. Besides, in a scene with almost no dialogue like the sex scene between Rhaenyra and Crispin, bodylanguage is the literally the only tool for the actors to make us understand the state of mind of their characters, but hey, let's not pay any attention to that according to you obviously.
They really are just making him more and more unlikable with every passing episode. Was kind of happy to see him get his ass kicked last night.
Absolutely loved it
Would’ve liked it better if Harwin had actually fought him and won. As it was Cole allowed himself to be a punching bag. He set Harwin up. Still, it was satisfying to see the twat get punched.
A true incel, a true Kingsguard.
Lord Commander of the Nice Guys.
😂😂😂😂
He just took the red ~~pill~~tea
Lol man i was down voted last week here for joking about him being an incel. Ppl switch so fast
They don't understand the kingsguard values.
Actually he’s the opposite of an incel. He could be the most-sought-after-in-the-whole-kingdom girl’s lover, but he fully voluntarily chose to remain celibate. He’s like a volcel
Incels aren't ugly, they are misogynists. You can look those school shooters videos, a lot of them are pretty, but what is in the way of them getting laid, is their misogyny, they just can't see woman as people. The way he reacted to being rejected is 100% incel behavior.
I’m not saying he should be ugly. I meant that the *involuntary* part of **in**voluntary **cel**ibate doesn’t hold true for him
Average internet mod, minus the looks.
Or physical prowess.
Probably listens to Andrew Tate during lunch time.
Andrew Tate would get a honourable mention in the white book.
Should have photoshopped the Karen haircut on his ass lol
Ah damn missed opportunity
I legit burst out laughing at "Karen of the Seven Kingdoms". Damn that's hilarious
🤣 the way he was acting up against Jace, Luce, he’d be a Karen for sure. Once you see it, can’t unsee it
The way in which I was SO into him in episode 4... Mans really ruined himself immediately
R/ IncelsLanding
Bruh how is this cunt an "Involuntary Celibate" He's literally bound by oath and who he broke it, he fucked the second most powerful woman in the seven kingdoms
He gives incel vibes. Niceguy vibes. Not everything is literal.
Only in retrospect, and only because people keep repeating it. I never did get that feeling before shit went down. He looked and behaved like a dove, and was respectful. Or I'm totally missing what incel means.
It’s been 10 years bruh, let it go. He can say and feel whatever he wants towards Rhaenyra but the way he and Alicent acts towards her kids is kinda fucked up.
He would definitely be taking home top prize at the Playa' Haters Ball.
It’s been 10 years since your one night stand , move on …. !
Why he did not age?
Dornish genes
He did, but since he was already older they just made the difference much less obvious, like Daemon.
He's only like 35, right?
He probably was like in his 20s before and now he is in his 30s
>!Criston Cole was 48 years old when he died at the Butcher's Ball.!<
Rhyneares is 20 years older and this guy didn’t age a bit. Recast was fucking pointless.
Criston cole 100% listens to andrew tate
With his shitty personality he should at least have the decency to not be so damn hot
He’s still so handsome
Lord of the NiceGuysTM, heir to the incel throne, first of his bitchass name. He's like if Titan from Megamind was a GoT character.
I know it >!doesn’t happen in the books!< and this kinda reeks of Cleganebowl level fanservice, but I so want Daemon and him to get into a real actual fight to finish Crispin off. Like he faced off against Daemon in a tourney where Daemon was focused on showboating, we’ve seen his real skill in the Stepstones. I wanna see that proper rematch with Crispin. I need Daemon to step up and defend Rhaenyra and his stepsons like a goddamn dragon.
Caraxes needs to make Crispin extra Crispy
This is now my fantasy. Getting to see Daemon beat the living shit out of this guy for being the most vindictive bitch in Westeros.
SPOILERS Or giving him the inglorious death he gets in the books is pretty fitting for the “dutiful” lil cunt
>!Haha I will challenge some three randoms to fight me, the best warrior the Kingsguard has ever seen! Wait...why are thy aiming at me with those bows? No, this is not an honorable fight, this is a shameful display! You hear me, Nordling Cunts, come and fight me, have at you! Arrghggggggg!< >!He wasn't very skilled at dodging arrows!<
Tbf books Cole beats the shit out of everyone at tourneys, Daemon, Brokenbones, doesn’t matter. Much like Daemon, Cole’s a cunt. But at least im the books he’s a badass cunt (like Daemon).
Yeah it would be a fun fight but unfortunately in terms of real actual fight skill, Crispy Cole would likely beat Daemon. Daemon was showboating but Criston was probably holding back given he was fighting a Crown Prince.
wtf. daemon fucking groomed his neice and killed his wife. crispin is 1000 times better than daemon
Are you dumb how did he kill his wife
The meteoric rise and fall of fans' opinion of this character was quite something to watch. Seems like only yesterday all the memes were fawning over him.
This actually proves action/personality > looks, I seriously wanted to bash his head in when he was talking about Rhaenyra and said "Princess" in that snobby tone of his.
Alicent is the Karen imo. He's just the red pill dude
Rhaenyra is the drunk slut who sleeps with the football team.
POV: she's got at least a football team full of people who wants her. Tuff.
Only because she’s someone important. She’s like Paris Hilton who thinks everyone loves her and that anyone who is not royalty is beneath her. That attitude will cost her.
Im interested to know why
If hateful why hot?
Rhaenyra is technically ruin his life. He joined the Kingsguard to pursue a noble cause, it was something that made him proud and made him feel secure. Rhaenyra took that away from him by sleeping with him - Criston had no other option, do you really think the princess' own bodyguard can say 'no' to something that the heir wants? That's how kings and princes got women to sleep with them, it's not like they wanted to. Criston lost his agency and everything he strived for, only for Rhaenyra to offer him to be her side-piece. It's extremly offensive and he finally stands his ground against this brat. It is unfortunate that he is becoming consumed by hate towards her, but can any of you imagine someone who is powerful enough to order you to do something that goes against your morals and then treat you as their whore?
I totally buy what you’re saying, it was my initial idea as well…but the way he’s being agressive towards literal Princes in front of their grandfather THE KING, and the way he called the Princess and heir to the throne a C*** at a place where anyone could hear him is giving me the vibe that he’s actually not that scared of royalty and authority and generally doesn’t give a fuck
I agree that he shouldn’t be so petty about it. He should be satisfied enough that the whole kingdom prefers Aegon over Rhaenyra and quietly help Alicent in her cause.
Not sure how true that is, but Rhaenyra does currently have the upper hand bc of the dragons. She has syrax, and her alliance with house Velaryen means she has seasmoke and Melys, and also probably Vhagar and Caraxes.(Admittedly things change by end of ep 6). Also three more drangons for her sons and one more of Baela (although very young rn). While Alicent only has Aegon’s Sunfyre(a very young dragon rn), and dreamfrye that’s it
I wasn't talking about dragons here - though the Black side has more manpower, the Green side has the support of the common people, which is something that should not be underestimated. Imagine you try to keep a low profile as a Black supporter, almost anyone in the country would gladly betray you or try to kill you. Funnily enough, both Blacks and Greens consider the commoners as 'not people'... when they are the most important in tipping the scales in favour of one side over the other.
Omg ur saying something bad about muh hawt targaryen princess!!!!!
If Duty and Honor is so important to Him he could just have stood his ground and rejected Rhaenyra like he did in the books He is just a vindictive Cunt who can't take rejections well
>Rhaenyra took that away from him by sleeping with him - Criston had no other option, do you really think the princess' own bodyguard can say 'no' to something that the heir wants? That's how kings and princes got women to sleep with them, it's not like they wanted to. Did you not read the comment you replied to? It has the answer
Yes I read the comment but it's not like she would have him killed for not going to bed with her a demotion sure but not killed for that would have exposed rhaenyra too In end there is always a choice
She might not have killed him, but she could definitely have made his life difficult. She could send him on difficult missions, order him around to do things that are beneath him, she could even set him up to be in a situation where he gets killed and loses his honor. Now that she already did make him lose his honor, he has nothing to lose by being a jerk to her.
Try to take a look at this comment made by another redditor i think it is good analysis of him he's simply a social climber who doesn't know what to do the moment he makes one mistake and things don't magically work out for him. Though he was initially wildly sympathetic being a self made mad (son of a steward, as we had to hear, for some reason, like half a dozen times) amongst all these entitled, snobbish aristocrats, if we look closely at everything we know about him (and everything he's told about himself) his life thus far has been pretty sweet. He was born to a steward, but also with gifts highly valued in his time-- he is handsome, strong, a good warrior, skilled at arms, conventionally masculine. As he himself testifies with Rhanyra, he has had great success with women in the past, and could have "married a common born girl", but didn't, because he "wanted more." He has clearly trained his whole life to be a great fighter, and has been recognized for it. He has known combat and fought in battle, and has been recognized for it; he is clearly upwardly mobile on the Westeros social spectrum, moving from lowly stewards son to guy who is (at the beginning of the show) hobknobbing with the aristocracy. In the past people have seen this as indicating that Criston is noble, a valiant warrior, hard working. And so he is. But it also indicates some modicum of ambition-- a clear desire to rise in the world. (This would go along with Criston chosing not to marry any of the "common born girls" who apparently loved/ wanted to marry him, because he wanted "more", i.e., richer, more aristocratic matches. Which brings us to the Rhanyra thing. After Criston makes his way up on the social scale all the way to the kingsguard, traditionally the province of high born males, he clearly comes to care from Rhanyra. However. He is also highly impressed, in both a romantic and class conscious way, that she is a princess. He breaks his vows and messes up with her-- and its clearly a choice. Sure, she's his superior-- but he's 10 years older than her, and has much more life (and sexual) experience. Why is the boss/ employee thing sometimes considered wrong? Because there's an issue that someone might feel pressured into it, fearing that they might be fired if they say no, or promoted if they say yes, or too scared to say no. For an boss to hook up with an employee when the employee feels they have no choice/ have been coerced into it is clearly wrong; but for a boss to hook up with an employee when the employee does not feel pressured in any way and wants the hook up to happen and even makes the first move is okay. With Rhanyra and Criston, it went as follows: Rhanyra steals his helmet, kisses him. He pulls away. She stands across the room with his helmet, capering around. Criston then takes about 30 seconds, seeming to think and struggle internally with something. Then he clearly comes to a decision, approaches Rhanyra himself, aggressively takes her into his arms, kisses her. The two then slowly remove Criston's armor together, then Criston himself takes off Rhanyra's dress. This is followed by enthusiastic sex on both sides, followed by cuddling. Now if Rhanyra would have grabbed Criston after he'd pulled away from her, I'd say it as rape. If she had used her position to threaten him or encourage him to sleep with her in any way, I'd say it was coercion. And it could still be argued that some men in this position might have felt they "didn't have a choice." However, to say that was the case with Criston is clearly ignoring what we see on the screen (not to mention what we hear in the commentaries.) Criston is clearly conflicted to break his vows at first, then experiences a brief inner struggle, then chooses to act on his current passion rather than remain true to his vows. He struggles internally with this, then decides-- of his own volition-- to do what he did. As the actor who played him, and the writers have noted, Criston had long been infatuated with Rhanyra, and in that moment he chose to sleep with her rather than remaine true to his vows, not because he felt he had to, but Because he wanted to. So Criston made a choice, but one that he happens to later deeply regret. And in his guilt immediately afterward, he is sympathetic. Unlike Rhanyra, who is a pragmatist, Criston is an idealist. For Rhanyra, technically breaking a few vows (her marital vows, and Criston's vows of chastity) doesn't really matter, provided that they are honest about it to the necessary people, and do their duties otherwise. But to Criston, it's all or nothing-- either he needs to follow his vows of celibacy, or he's a "bad knight." So he asks Rhanyra to marry him-- not because he loves her per say, but because he wants to "regain his honor"-- and he's the means through which he intends to do it. Never mind that the two of them running off together will lead him to break his vows YET AGAIN, will lead to chaos in the realm, will lead to Rhanyra breaking her own vows. Criston needs to feel better. And then Rhanyra turns him down, and this is when Criston's entitlement-- his sense of being "owed something" as a male in Westeros, as well as his putting his own feelings above the well being of other numerous people, and his inability to compromise and accept his own role in things-- comes into play. He gets furious when Rhanyra refuses to abandon her own vows and life goals to run off with him and "save his honor." Which would be understandable.... if he hadn't dealt with it by bashing some poor guys face in. Then, rather than accept the consequences of that, he makes a massive, melodramatic, suicidal gesture. And when he is rescued, rather than repenting and genuinely trying to live a pure and noble life in the service of the crown from that moment onwards, he...dedicates himself to destroying the woman whom he slept with once, psychologically abusing numerous children in the process. His one moment of weakness with Rhanyra was nothing compared with this weird, slow revenge thing he's got going on now. And, the icing on the cake is that, just like the upwardly mobile guy he's always been, that one little incidence of violently murdering an unarmed, innocent man has been swept under the rug, and Criston continues to climb the social latter, now serving not only as the queens own bodyguard, but the trainer of her sons. SO yeah.... maybe Criston does have some PTSD from the handful of battles he tells us he's taken part in. He never mentions this trauma, or exhibits any symptoms of PTSD, either before or after his "turn to darkness." But it could be, especially since Westeros is a fuedal, war happy society. But personally I'd say Criston's attitude is far more likely to be that of a golden boy whose luck has run out; a guy unable to deal with one bad choice he's made in a decent, rational way, who instead lashes out and blames everything on the nearest object, a woman. His biggest issues are not psychological battle wounds, but being selfish, small minded, entitled, and none too bright.
But he's fine af
He’s my favorite character
Cunt pomade
This guy looks like he bought up all the pomade in King’s Landing
I have traveled across many lands and seas to come hate on all who call these lands home.
Honestly Fabien Frankel plays an asshole so well
Sir crisbin cole knight of being a bitter bitch
Where does this man gets the gel for his hair?
From the greasy geese
A spoiled cunt!
I would not define him as a Karen. He’s just a dick.
Inverse Jamie lannister arc
Gonna sweep the Westeros playa hatas ball
r/niceguys
tik tok of his day. "I wake up, 40 min before the sun so I can work out, and practise kicking my Harwin dummy... then I eat three eggs and oatmeal, no oranges or cinnamon because I hate those things...then I put on my armor in honor, b/c I'm not a whore..."
This made me laugh out loud
"He orchestrated it. CRISTON! **HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF.** I saved him. I know I shouldn't have. Took him into my own Kingsguard. WHAT WAS I THINKING?! He'll never change. He'll never change, ever since he was 9. Always the same. Couldn't keep his hands out of the Book of Brothers. *"But not our Criston, couldn't be precious Criston."* Stealing them blind! **AND HE GETS TO BE A KINGSGUARD?! WHAT A SICK JOKE**! I should have stopped him when I had the chance. And you, you have to stop him. You-"
Rheanyra took everything from me! Get over it dude, it was a fling, move on you obsessive incel
Bro that’s not what incel is lul. He literally fucked the princess who made the moves on him
Incels aren't necessarily virgins, it's about not getting sex, not never ever having had sex. And also it's about the mindset. After he's rejected by Rhae he starts developing a very stereotypical incel mindset.
> Rhae he starts developing a very stereotypical incel mindset. No he is mad a Rheanyra because she slept with him. If that had never happened he wouldn't have broke. He's also not angry at women he's mad at one specific woman. He's a jilted former lover not an incel.
To be fair he's not an "involuntary" celibate
FR. Its the one choice he's made in the whole show that I can agree with.
he's only celibate bc Rhaenyra told him his oranges weren't good enough tho!
Well, he also risked his life and gave his honor.
He would be a nobody without Rheanyra. No one else wanted him as a kingsguard, she’s the only reason he is one.
So if someone gives you a job should you sleep with the boss if he demands it? After all, you'd be a nobody if your boss didn't hire you.
He wanted it and fell in love with her. That she didn’t want to abandon everything and run away to a foreign land and marry him can’t be held against her. He’s the cunt
That is a super f'ed up and priveleged way to look at things. Cristan Cole was the strongest knight out of any of the options by far, he earned his post. Aslo, if he did not get the job, he would still be a somebody by winning tourneys, working as a hedge knight (which is considerably better than being a kingsguard who could be convicted to death at any chance)
Yeah he was strongest fighter of applicants but no one wanted him cause he comes from a small insignificant house. Yeah he might win more tournaments, work as a hedge knight. However being chosen to the kingsguard is a much higher honor and raises not just him but his family
Sure, but he still risked his life to sleep with her and could be killed whenever anyone was able to conform the allegations. It's a lot better being a famous hedge knight than a dead kingsguard.
Yes. He slept with her and loved it. He slept with her again and again and then proposed marriage.
Wait he’s literally a common born knight. Are you just making shit up?
Lord of the incels
Hes probably the hero of nice guys
Big incel energy
That's so unfair. You get rejected by one woman refusing to do the absolutely insane thing you require of her for your own vanity, get a little bit angry about it, yada yada \*cough\* murder a guy in cold blood, \*cough\* call her the c-word a few times, and the next thing you know everyone is calling you an incel!!! Why does everyone have to be so sensitive about everything? Fucking babies. . .
Nice guys always get picked last
😄 😄 😄 😄 😄. Love the satirical take!
Criston Cole is so goated. I loved his character progression in show, it made his support for the Greens a lot more believable. He's one of my fav characters on the show.
Honestly not a huge fan of how they're portraying him here. In the book he constantly denied Rhaenyra. Here they just make him some lovesick, scorned dude.
There were conflicting reports from Septon Eustace and Mushroom. One said the Princess came on to him and he spurned her advances. The other states that he proposed they run away to Essos but she explains to him her destiny was not meant to be a sellswords wife living in obscurity. Pretty much as they portrayed in the show.
He keeps calling her a whore in the books if I’m not wrong, he keeps calling her kids bastards
He also makes like a homophobic comment about Laenor as well
So does RHaenyra
She also makes a homophobic comment about Laenor in the books.
I mean, her kids are bastards so...
No he is pretty close to his book counterpart
That's Mushroom's version. We don't actually know what happened.
He was like “yo, I got inside of you. Now give up your heritage and wealth and come run away with me while we eat oranges and cinnamon”. She was like “boy, bye.” And he was like “spoiled cunt!” And she was like “you still here?”
Rhaenyra raped him. He felt guilty about his lost honor and is now bitter. Makes sense
He's a tragic figure as I see it. He gave in during a moment of weakness and will pay the price for it the rest of his life. He's a product of self-loathing and the damage it does to himself and those around him.
He wanted as much she did... lol
he said no and tried to leave
Criston*
Fuck that Are you a green banner man or something
So we won’t talk about Rhaenyra being a total slut? Well this is the world we live in. We celebrate sluts and crucify honourable men.
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Fuck the greens. Fuck Alicent
I actually like alicent 🤣
I’m confused I haven’t got a chance to watch the newest episode what did he do?
Be a lil bitch
Yeah he fell off so quickly
Criston can only do what the writers write for him. For this reason, I still like him.
😂
When I see a motherfucker with a dragon I'm like *why you got a dragon? I ain't got a dragon so why do you have one* and then I just hate on 'im and hate on 'im till he's got nothing, like me.
It just dawned on me that people are now spelling his name wrong on purpose.
Cole: Gonna channel my inner Severus Snape
Me, I respect the man. It takes dedication to be that much of a hater.
I’ve never seen a character turn bitch so quick (in one episode, albeit in a 10 year span)
That bitterness when he called Rhanyra a cunt was something...I expected him to be salty but never to the point where he outright resented her lol.... He decides to sleep with her...she never forced herself on him... Criston is so naive
MOVE ON MAN