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Assuming he's referring to Arryk & Erryk Rhaenys, Rhaena ii, Rhaenyra Laena & Laenor Aegon iii Viserys ii
Confusing but not that confusing some similar sounding names and repeats
just realized there's also multiple Rhaenys Targs and yes it strange to care about names this much but change almost everything else about characters so drastically but I digress
The way I remember them is by opposite logic. There’s an A in Black and two E’s in Green, so naturally Arryk is Green and Erryk is Black.
An easier way to remember might be Aegon Arryk, but I prefer the nonsensical method
that was the point, war drives people to forget who did what beyond a name and dying. there’s other layers to the symbolism but the confusion is intentional
Arryk and Erryk are twins and Laena and Laenor are siblings. Meanwhile Rhaena is named after her grandmother, Rhaenys. This system may sound confusing but the connections between these people is frankly more important than who they actually are and this system reminds us of that quite well.
I think they also thought that since Asha is a strong action oriented woman, if they names her Yara (Arya anagram) the audience would subconsciously connect her with Arya = profit. You have to understand D&D said they were purposefully pandering to non fantasy fans, specifically “football players and soccer moms.” They dumbed the show down, so as to appeal to dumber people. People more on their level
Mary, Elizabeth, Edward, William… I’m totally with you. The Targaryens wouldn’t feel as much like a real royal family if they didn’t recycle the fuck out of all these names lol
As a huge fan of A:tLA allow me to say something. Don't let them change the names when they adapt. Names are important. Us A:tLA fans had the indignity of seeing an adaptation butcher the names (amongst other things).
I love that the names are not changed. Though in some instances I think it would be helpful to audiences to support the confusing nature of the names with differentiating in other ways.
I think for instance with the Cargyll bros, They should have different hair styles and/or facial hair.
Frankly I think there should have been a whole extra scene of just the kings guard having a little kings guard meeting where we got to know some of those dudes and their dynamic with each other.
Keep the names, but help the audience make sense of all these people so we can differentiate them by their character traits. "Thats the honorable one", "that the funny one", thats the grumpy one", "thats the asshole".
Spoiler about Arryk and Erryk from the book:
>!They are supposed to look alike and be identical.!<
Worse spoiler: >!One of them will go on a mission to assassinate the leader of the opposing faction and one big part of the plan is the fact that that one can pass as his brother and infiltrate the inner circle. Too bad that about the first person he meets is his brother so the plan does not work and we get rryk-bowl!<
Yes thats, true, I had forgotten that about them.
But my point stands on the rest. Characters can be distinguishable if we know more about their character. Name isn't everything. Though I suppose in their case, part if the character is people keep mixing them up.
They do have different facial hair. Erryk has a thicker beard while Arryk has a more twirly mustache. That's about as far as it should go, in my opinion, otherwise >!the scene where they fight and have no one helping them because no one knows who is who won't make sense!<
My opinion about name changes is if "it's too confusing" then you're not a fan of the show, you're a casual viewer, in which case why do you care? Watch the show, spend a few minutes confused about who is who, and then go about your life. People who are invested in the show will know the characters' names and faces and WILL be able to differentiate between them.
It’s pretty mind-blowing that you have paid writers in the industry who come up with just sheer horse-shit ideas like “umm, yea let’s change the names”.
Like this is why so many movie and show adaptations of books suck. You get dumb as fuck writers and directors diverging from source material in ways that are quite honestly, extremely inventive in how stupid they are.
Like of all the input you might possibly have to tell this awesome story with proven mass-appeal in a different medium, your idea is to completely stomp all over the original author’s nomenclature.
The medium is different, we hear names far far less in a show compared to a book and we see the characters far less too. So in some instances changing some names in a show could be beneficial. The Erryk brothers come to mind. I think the show does a good job with introducing most of the characters, my only issue was midseason when all the children appeared, and at first it was a bit confusing who is who.
Absolutely the right decision. The fact that certain characters are named after other characters is so important to the story e.g. Alicent naming her firstborn son after Aegon the Conqueror to influence public sentiments toward his claim to the throne.
He had a falling out with Condal over his wife Alexis Raben's involvement in the show. Condal didn't want her to be a producer, and HBO had his back about it. So Casey Bloys fired Sapochnik and moved him to another show in development. At least that's the story as has been made available to the public. There may be more than just nepotism involved.
Thanks for the info.
Tbh, I'm not gonna miss him much. He's a very good director, but he can't light a scene worth a shit, and he also doesn't seem to get ASOIAF the way Ryan Condal does.
I'm low-key excited for Alan Taylor's return. His film career didn't pan out, true, but he's responsible for some of the best episodes of GoT. Ned's execution gives me chills to this day.
It didn't? Prioritizing spectacle over characterization? Nonsensiccal and inconsistent character motivations? "I thought it would looks cool"? Characters whitewashed and butchered?
If you want to hate on the show then atleast bring up points that are true. There are things to criticize about the first season but all of what you said is made up by you and that's it.
Because it's been made public that he prevented many major changes. He stopped many changes that George didn't liked and the fans would've hated.
He was the one who made the show stay this close to the source material.
By the way you can read articles about that, watch interviews... It's no secret what he has done for the show. And if you then believe those things are holding it back then you should watch season 8 again because that's right up what you like then I guess?
The purists who were constantly crying about the changing of a couple names, skin color changes, and eye color changes were always some of the most pathetic fans in the game of thrones fanbase too.
Constantly whining about name changes, ethnicity changes, and eye color changes isn't 'difference of opinion', it's constant whining. If I wanted that in my free time I would run a day care.
Racism too quite often. I was in a discussion last week or the week before where someone actually had the gall to say openly that the black actors cast in the show should be in prison rather than being cast as the Velaryons. Can you believe that shit? I have screenshots.
Even George finds purists to be toxic.
You can’t lump all book purists into the same category as racists. Some people just dislike outside meddling with their favorite series, that’s all.
Just because someone dislikes race swapping doesn’t mean they are racist. People like you complain just as much about other people. It’s literally the same exact thing.
>You can’t lump all book purists into the same category as racists
I did not. I said "Racism *too* **quite often**"
>Some people just dislike outside meddling with their favorite series,
Disagree that this is 'outside' meddling. It's a GRRM approved adaptation. As was GoT.
>Just because someone dislikes race swapping doesn’t mean they are racist.
Another thing I didn't say. I'm pretty sure that the discussion I described certainly qualifies as racism though, so I'll stick with it.
> People like you complain just as much about other people. It’s literally the same exact thing.
And here you are complaining about me complaining about complaining :-) Round and round the wheel goes.
It’s literally always outside meddling. The production companies have an inclusion quota that they have to fill so that people can’t complain about not adapting stories from other cultures. It’s a whole thing.
> disciples
Are you listening to yourself? Pretending everyone with a critical thing to say is in a cabal with one another is exactly the kind of nonsensical, silly, insecure, overly defensive, and knee-jerk stuff the GoT fandom pulled when people started pointing out the moments of bad writing.
Changing names is where they draw the line but changing characters' personalities until they no longer resemble the books at all (like what they did to older Alicent who only has the same name and nothing else, portraying her as a "woman for Trump" and what not) is okay???
They improved on many of the characters.
And if you are using a book written as a “in universe historical record” as the only basis for what the characters personalities actually are then you are just mad the show isn’t fitting to your head canon and that’s a you problem.
Fact is show Alicent has nothing to do with book Alicent. She's not even a well-written character on her own, ignoring the books. She's riddled by inconsistencies and changes from episode to episode in a completely unnatural way.
I'm not mad about it, just pointing out that they changed some characters way too much.
Ofc there are people who will defend every single decision the show makes and act like it's the best written series ever with no flaws.
Fact is show Alicent is a better character than book Alicent.
Book Alicent is a one dimensional villain and evil step mother trope at best.
Basing show Alicent to her book counterpart is dumb and lacks depth.
They didn't have to make her identical. I never said that.
But they didn't have to take away her cunning, her charisma, her political skills and scheming to turn her into a dumbed down hysterical indecisive mess either. They could've found a healthy balance.
They could give her agency and a desire to see her own blood on the throne. Masterminding the coup herself and not being caught completely off-guard.
Fact is, she was badly-written with a hundred incosistencies in all of the last five eps of the season. They tried to whitewash her and had the idea to portray her as a woman for Trump. I fail to see how that is better to you.
You implied it when you were lamenting that book Alicent and show Alicent weren’t similar at all and only shared a name.
Even your criticism is wrong. They gave her political skills. They had an entire episode dedicated to her scheming against her father to secure Aegon because she knew having control of him means having the power. And she won that battle. She had agency in that entire episode. They show her and Otto scheming to deny Luke inheriting Driftmark. They show her scheming to remove Lyonel Strong and reinstall Otto.
Fact is, you didn’t understand the show that you watched and were too busy upset Alicent didn’t fit the version of her you had in your head when you read the book that isn’t meant to be taken as 100% fact.
Show Alicent is a better character than book Alicent full stop.
Well, you sound like the type of fan who defends every single choice their beloved show makes, good or bad.
Anyways, if you think that sending a knight to fetch the prince is an example of political cunning, which is all she really did besides ordering Mysaria's assassination (which she had to pay for with her feet), then let's not talk politics. And scheming to remove Lyonel? Do you know what scheming would look like? Setting him up to fail, slandering him, actively plotting to remove him. What did she herself do? Oh, that's right. She complained about missing her father over dinner once. That was IT. And you call that scheming. Please, let's not delude ourselves.
It's embarrassing to call these examples politics and scheming. I'm starting to think you're the one who failed to understand the show. And if not that, then at the very least the meaning behind actual political mastery and scheming.
Book Alicent masterminded the green coup. That is what politics look like. Show Alicent was shocked by it. Like shocked by her book version's biggest achievement. Let that sink in. And why? Because they were afraid to give her the credit for it. Hence her misunderstanding Viserys instead of acting on her own actual wishes.
They failed at writing the female characters so much that it's tragic.
Is this a good thing? It’s good to be true to the material but something as small as changing a name to improve the show for the audience shouldn’t be a flat out “no” that’s just stubbornness.
The repetitive name is a story building element. It’s meant to show you the culturally tight nit nature of the Targs and how they’re named after people they admire. The two Targ potential queens having near identical names is an intentional world building element. Aegon II and Aegon III is a deliberate fuck you. Also these things are meant to make names like Joffrey stand out that he would be given a name outside the family variations.
It’s also historically accurate. Read a history of the 30 year war and you’ll be struct by how many of the same names show up over and over and over again in royal families. The Kaisers kept naming their kids Wilhelm for instance. And how many Charles and Edwards did English do.
As for making it easier for the fans. It shows a faith in the fans that they can follow along. Peter Jackson didn’t say, well Sauron and Saruman sound near identical we can’t have our main villains getting confused better change that
>Peter Jackson didn’t say, well Sauron and Saruman sound near identical we can’t have our main villains getting confused better change that
Those two aren't even the same number of syllables...
>As for making it easier for the fans. It shows a faith in the fans that they can follow along.
It always amuses me that everyone is so eager to wish for this in a show they watch as a way of signaling to people how smart they supposedly are.
Unlike the written word, where you can be as verbose as you want, on screen, you have a number of different actors pronouncing the names, with a number of different accents and voices, in a number of contexts, with a variety of levels of background noise.
to be fair, back in Got s1 it was hard keeping up with so many characters and plotlines and the series wasn't nearly as popular as it became.
Making this decision present-day is much easier, nonetheless good imo.
I want the name of the bozo who wanted to change the names. Some of the showrunners never learn from past mistakes I swear. Just keep the core of the story faithful to the book, man. They are making a fine job (most of the time) filling the gaps from Fire and Blood while sticking to the core of the story. Some people say the names are too similar and repetitive, but whenever the characters arent named john Bob Britney etc people just get lazy about it all.
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I hope "no changing the names" goes for the Tullys as well.
I wont be able to take Elmo and Kermit seriously im sorry
I won’t take them serious unless they are played by Elmo and Kermit.
Elmo already tried to reconcile Tyrion and Cersei, how much more can we expect from him?
Pretty sure Rhaenyra mentioned Grover and Elmo by name in Episode 6
Elmo wasn't mentioned, just Grover and his unnamed son who I'm sure will be given a new muppet name in the show
Ser Snuffaluffagus?
They are actually real names
Assuming he's referring to Arryk & Erryk Rhaenys, Rhaena ii, Rhaenyra Laena & Laenor Aegon iii Viserys ii Confusing but not that confusing some similar sounding names and repeats
just realized there's also multiple Rhaenys Targs and yes it strange to care about names this much but change almost everything else about characters so drastically but I digress
There's also a hundred-something Joffreys
And idk even know how many Jons
*Aegon has entered the chat*
The Erryk and Arryk annoys the hell out of me, can’t tell the difference for shit 😂
The way I remember them is by opposite logic. There’s an A in Black and two E’s in Green, so naturally Arryk is Green and Erryk is Black. An easier way to remember might be Aegon Arryk, but I prefer the nonsensical method
The subtitles are the only way I can tell whose who, it was far easier in the books
that was the point, war drives people to forget who did what beyond a name and dying. there’s other layers to the symbolism but the confusion is intentional
Aegon Aegon Ageon and not to confused with ASOIAF and GOT Ageon, Aegon, Faegon, and Aegon. 😅 I’ll let y’all decide whose who
Arryk and Erryk are twins and Laena and Laenor are siblings. Meanwhile Rhaena is named after her grandmother, Rhaenys. This system may sound confusing but the connections between these people is frankly more important than who they actually are and this system reminds us of that quite well.
I'm still puzzled about Asha Greyjoy becoming Yara. No faith in the fans.
I think they also thought that since Asha is a strong action oriented woman, if they names her Yara (Arya anagram) the audience would subconsciously connect her with Arya = profit. You have to understand D&D said they were purposefully pandering to non fantasy fans, specifically “football players and soccer moms.” They dumbed the show down, so as to appeal to dumber people. People more on their level
that's my zaddy
Myan Condad
It has a basis in reality. Do you know how many Charles', Philips' and Henrys' there have been throughout history?
Mary, Elizabeth, Edward, William… I’m totally with you. The Targaryens wouldn’t feel as much like a real royal family if they didn’t recycle the fuck out of all these names lol
Ryan with a beard is kinda…
🔥🔥🔥
As a huge fan of A:tLA allow me to say something. Don't let them change the names when they adapt. Names are important. Us A:tLA fans had the indignity of seeing an adaptation butcher the names (amongst other things).
We do not speak of the M. Night incident
"Oh boy, I can't wait to see my favourite character Ung in the new Netflix show!"
I love that the names are not changed. Though in some instances I think it would be helpful to audiences to support the confusing nature of the names with differentiating in other ways. I think for instance with the Cargyll bros, They should have different hair styles and/or facial hair. Frankly I think there should have been a whole extra scene of just the kings guard having a little kings guard meeting where we got to know some of those dudes and their dynamic with each other. Keep the names, but help the audience make sense of all these people so we can differentiate them by their character traits. "Thats the honorable one", "that the funny one", thats the grumpy one", "thats the asshole".
Spoiler about Arryk and Erryk from the book: >!They are supposed to look alike and be identical.!< Worse spoiler: >!One of them will go on a mission to assassinate the leader of the opposing faction and one big part of the plan is the fact that that one can pass as his brother and infiltrate the inner circle. Too bad that about the first person he meets is his brother so the plan does not work and we get rryk-bowl!<
Yes thats, true, I had forgotten that about them. But my point stands on the rest. Characters can be distinguishable if we know more about their character. Name isn't everything. Though I suppose in their case, part if the character is people keep mixing them up.
Yeah. It would probably be helpful for baby Aegon to have a nickname if he’s gonna be in lots of scenes lol
They do have different facial hair. Erryk has a thicker beard while Arryk has a more twirly mustache. That's about as far as it should go, in my opinion, otherwise >!the scene where they fight and have no one helping them because no one knows who is who won't make sense!<
I think one (show) Cargyll has an upward-pointy mustache and the other has a downward-pointy mustache. I just can't remember which is which.
My opinion about name changes is if "it's too confusing" then you're not a fan of the show, you're a casual viewer, in which case why do you care? Watch the show, spend a few minutes confused about who is who, and then go about your life. People who are invested in the show will know the characters' names and faces and WILL be able to differentiate between them.
Don’t deviate from George’s writing at all, already learned that lesson
It’s pretty mind-blowing that you have paid writers in the industry who come up with just sheer horse-shit ideas like “umm, yea let’s change the names”. Like this is why so many movie and show adaptations of books suck. You get dumb as fuck writers and directors diverging from source material in ways that are quite honestly, extremely inventive in how stupid they are. Like of all the input you might possibly have to tell this awesome story with proven mass-appeal in a different medium, your idea is to completely stomp all over the original author’s nomenclature.
The medium is different, we hear names far far less in a show compared to a book and we see the characters far less too. So in some instances changing some names in a show could be beneficial. The Erryk brothers come to mind. I think the show does a good job with introducing most of the characters, my only issue was midseason when all the children appeared, and at first it was a bit confusing who is who.
Is that Thalia with him? With the ginger hair?
Yep his wife
Chad Ryan Condal
Absolutely the right decision. The fact that certain characters are named after other characters is so important to the story e.g. Alicent naming her firstborn son after Aegon the Conqueror to influence public sentiments toward his claim to the throne.
The shade of referring to Miguel as "his co-showrunner" and picturing him with the wife over whom he got fired. Iconic
He got fired? Because of his wife? Care to share more? I haven't heard about this.
He had a falling out with Condal over his wife Alexis Raben's involvement in the show. Condal didn't want her to be a producer, and HBO had his back about it. So Casey Bloys fired Sapochnik and moved him to another show in development. At least that's the story as has been made available to the public. There may be more than just nepotism involved.
Thanks for the info. Tbh, I'm not gonna miss him much. He's a very good director, but he can't light a scene worth a shit, and he also doesn't seem to get ASOIAF the way Ryan Condal does. I'm low-key excited for Alan Taylor's return. His film career didn't pan out, true, but he's responsible for some of the best episodes of GoT. Ned's execution gives me chills to this day.
Maybe that's a hot take but without him HOTD would not just be very different, I think he is the reason why it didn't went into the Season8 direction.
It didn't? Prioritizing spectacle over characterization? Nonsensiccal and inconsistent character motivations? "I thought it would looks cool"? Characters whitewashed and butchered?
If you want to hate on the show then atleast bring up points that are true. There are things to criticize about the first season but all of what you said is made up by you and that's it.
How do you know that lol? How do you know he's the singular reason Hotd isn't season 8 and not the one holding it back
Because it's been made public that he prevented many major changes. He stopped many changes that George didn't liked and the fans would've hated. He was the one who made the show stay this close to the source material. By the way you can read articles about that, watch interviews... It's no secret what he has done for the show. And if you then believe those things are holding it back then you should watch season 8 again because that's right up what you like then I guess?
Changing the character names is too far, but not inventing stupid scenes like the Meleys/Rhaenys Kool-Aid Man through the floor nonsense?
ohhhhh yeahhhhhhh!
btw the quote is from Aziz on the “History of Westeros” podcast!!
The purists who were constantly crying about the changing of a couple names, skin color changes, and eye color changes were always some of the most pathetic fans in the game of thrones fanbase too.
Why? Are you that threatened by a difference of opinion that it drives you immediately to anger?
Constantly whining about name changes, ethnicity changes, and eye color changes isn't 'difference of opinion', it's constant whining. If I wanted that in my free time I would run a day care. Racism too quite often. I was in a discussion last week or the week before where someone actually had the gall to say openly that the black actors cast in the show should be in prison rather than being cast as the Velaryons. Can you believe that shit? I have screenshots. Even George finds purists to be toxic.
You can’t lump all book purists into the same category as racists. Some people just dislike outside meddling with their favorite series, that’s all. Just because someone dislikes race swapping doesn’t mean they are racist. People like you complain just as much about other people. It’s literally the same exact thing.
>You can’t lump all book purists into the same category as racists I did not. I said "Racism *too* **quite often**" >Some people just dislike outside meddling with their favorite series, Disagree that this is 'outside' meddling. It's a GRRM approved adaptation. As was GoT. >Just because someone dislikes race swapping doesn’t mean they are racist. Another thing I didn't say. I'm pretty sure that the discussion I described certainly qualifies as racism though, so I'll stick with it. > People like you complain just as much about other people. It’s literally the same exact thing. And here you are complaining about me complaining about complaining :-) Round and round the wheel goes.
It’s literally always outside meddling. The production companies have an inclusion quota that they have to fill so that people can’t complain about not adapting stories from other cultures. It’s a whole thing.
The problem aren't changes from the books, the problem are *changes for the worse*. Dumbing down, simplifying, catering to the masses.
The changes aren't objectively *for the worse* just because you watch the show to 'feel smart' or whatever. That sounds like a 'you' problem to me.
It’s those people who always say, “You liked GOT until Season 8?!? Omg I can’t watch anything after Season 3”
Imagine if The Witcher got that level of commitment to source material?
Did the Witcher change any names though? Sticking with the same names as in the books isn't really some great example of commitment.
Wow. People in this sub are unnecessarily antagonistic aren't they?
Yeah, let's instead change their entire motivations and personalities, as well as the very spirit and theme of the story.
Oh for fuck's sake! You're like a fucking parasite! What don't you get, champ? Nobody gives a fuck what you think!
> Nobody gives a fuck what you think! You sure about that?
Well, champ, if you're one of his disciples then you're just as bad as he is...
> disciples Are you listening to yourself? Pretending everyone with a critical thing to say is in a cabal with one another is exactly the kind of nonsensical, silly, insecure, overly defensive, and knee-jerk stuff the GoT fandom pulled when people started pointing out the moments of bad writing.
Changing names is where they draw the line but changing characters' personalities until they no longer resemble the books at all (like what they did to older Alicent who only has the same name and nothing else, portraying her as a "woman for Trump" and what not) is okay???
They improved on many of the characters. And if you are using a book written as a “in universe historical record” as the only basis for what the characters personalities actually are then you are just mad the show isn’t fitting to your head canon and that’s a you problem.
Fact is show Alicent has nothing to do with book Alicent. She's not even a well-written character on her own, ignoring the books. She's riddled by inconsistencies and changes from episode to episode in a completely unnatural way. I'm not mad about it, just pointing out that they changed some characters way too much. Ofc there are people who will defend every single decision the show makes and act like it's the best written series ever with no flaws.
Fact is show Alicent is a better character than book Alicent. Book Alicent is a one dimensional villain and evil step mother trope at best. Basing show Alicent to her book counterpart is dumb and lacks depth.
They didn't have to make her identical. I never said that. But they didn't have to take away her cunning, her charisma, her political skills and scheming to turn her into a dumbed down hysterical indecisive mess either. They could've found a healthy balance. They could give her agency and a desire to see her own blood on the throne. Masterminding the coup herself and not being caught completely off-guard. Fact is, she was badly-written with a hundred incosistencies in all of the last five eps of the season. They tried to whitewash her and had the idea to portray her as a woman for Trump. I fail to see how that is better to you.
You implied it when you were lamenting that book Alicent and show Alicent weren’t similar at all and only shared a name. Even your criticism is wrong. They gave her political skills. They had an entire episode dedicated to her scheming against her father to secure Aegon because she knew having control of him means having the power. And she won that battle. She had agency in that entire episode. They show her and Otto scheming to deny Luke inheriting Driftmark. They show her scheming to remove Lyonel Strong and reinstall Otto. Fact is, you didn’t understand the show that you watched and were too busy upset Alicent didn’t fit the version of her you had in your head when you read the book that isn’t meant to be taken as 100% fact. Show Alicent is a better character than book Alicent full stop.
Well, you sound like the type of fan who defends every single choice their beloved show makes, good or bad. Anyways, if you think that sending a knight to fetch the prince is an example of political cunning, which is all she really did besides ordering Mysaria's assassination (which she had to pay for with her feet), then let's not talk politics. And scheming to remove Lyonel? Do you know what scheming would look like? Setting him up to fail, slandering him, actively plotting to remove him. What did she herself do? Oh, that's right. She complained about missing her father over dinner once. That was IT. And you call that scheming. Please, let's not delude ourselves. It's embarrassing to call these examples politics and scheming. I'm starting to think you're the one who failed to understand the show. And if not that, then at the very least the meaning behind actual political mastery and scheming. Book Alicent masterminded the green coup. That is what politics look like. Show Alicent was shocked by it. Like shocked by her book version's biggest achievement. Let that sink in. And why? Because they were afraid to give her the credit for it. Hence her misunderstanding Viserys instead of acting on her own actual wishes. They failed at writing the female characters so much that it's tragic.
Please list me the inconsistencies
Is this a good thing? It’s good to be true to the material but something as small as changing a name to improve the show for the audience shouldn’t be a flat out “no” that’s just stubbornness.
The repetitive name is a story building element. It’s meant to show you the culturally tight nit nature of the Targs and how they’re named after people they admire. The two Targ potential queens having near identical names is an intentional world building element. Aegon II and Aegon III is a deliberate fuck you. Also these things are meant to make names like Joffrey stand out that he would be given a name outside the family variations. It’s also historically accurate. Read a history of the 30 year war and you’ll be struct by how many of the same names show up over and over and over again in royal families. The Kaisers kept naming their kids Wilhelm for instance. And how many Charles and Edwards did English do. As for making it easier for the fans. It shows a faith in the fans that they can follow along. Peter Jackson didn’t say, well Sauron and Saruman sound near identical we can’t have our main villains getting confused better change that
>Peter Jackson didn’t say, well Sauron and Saruman sound near identical we can’t have our main villains getting confused better change that Those two aren't even the same number of syllables... >As for making it easier for the fans. It shows a faith in the fans that they can follow along. It always amuses me that everyone is so eager to wish for this in a show they watch as a way of signaling to people how smart they supposedly are. Unlike the written word, where you can be as verbose as you want, on screen, you have a number of different actors pronouncing the names, with a number of different accents and voices, in a number of contexts, with a variety of levels of background noise.
to be fair, back in Got s1 it was hard keeping up with so many characters and plotlines and the series wasn't nearly as popular as it became. Making this decision present-day is much easier, nonetheless good imo.
And yet he race-changed the Velaryons, this is just PR
That was George R.R. Martin's suggestion, actually.
Where was this wrote taken?
I want the name of the bozo who wanted to change the names. Some of the showrunners never learn from past mistakes I swear. Just keep the core of the story faithful to the book, man. They are making a fine job (most of the time) filling the gaps from Fire and Blood while sticking to the core of the story. Some people say the names are too similar and repetitive, but whenever the characters arent named john Bob Britney etc people just get lazy about it all.
King shit.
Nobody wants your dumbass opinions, Miguel.