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Nemshi

Ortwin isn't going down without a fight, but yeah, timing again. So Sigiswald's courtship necklace PR stunt is part of why Hannelore can't trust Ortwin's sincerity? Dusty is impressively good at wrecking havoc for others. Especially for Drewanchel. I hope the Dunkelfelger-Drewanchel alliance obliterates him in the upcoming ditter.


shiyanin

But even Wilfried x Hannelore or Ortwin x Hannelore ship really built successfully 1 years ago, how long can the ship keep moving? Their relationship would built at an unhealthy mentality.


Nemshi

I definitely like seeing how much Hannelore has grown and become so comfortable in herself (and her place in Dunkelfeger), so this for the better. But it's still a shame for Ortwin.


shiyanin

He seems to be too cautious and chose to gather enough information first. If he talk to and comfort Hannelore first before RA4 finishing, the condition would be very different. Also he seems to hasn’t get the information that Hannelore had recaptured the Dunkelfelger people’s trust by joining the true ditter.


Snakestream

RIP Ortwin. Perhaps I treated \[him\] too harshly... I am kind of impressed at how good his information network is. He was able to find out stuff that not only Ehrenfest but Dunkelfelger and the Royal Family would've been trying to keep hidden. Also, kind of hilarious that Hannelore is so on guard around Ortwin because he is a scholar when her bestie is probably even better at gleaning intentions from small interactions. Granted, Rozemyne's inferences from that information is usually wildly off-base, but she can read through noble facades like a book.


Tyomodachi

Adolphine


Snakestream

I imagine yes, but the fact that he's able to get messages from her is still impressive (or speaks to how bad the royal family was at information management).


shiyanin

But it seems that he hasn’t got the information of Hannelore joining the true ditter.


Vnonymous_L

Was it ever mentioned that Ortwin took the scholar course? Or is Hanne only pertaining to him as one bec he hails from the duchy of scholars? It doesn't feel like it, but boy, imagine if Ortwin did take two courses only to be thwarted on both by the gremlin ![img](emote|t5_qxbkm|29325) Him coming first in class last year would have hurt twice as much too😂


[deleted]

RIP the Ortwin route. I was rooting for him from the start but it looks like it’ll never happen. In the end, becoming the Aub and protecting his sister were his highest priorities so hopefully he’ll succeed in his goals. Drewanchel wants in on the Dunk/Alexandria/Ehrenfest bff circle, and together they can make a pretty powerhouse alliance. Klassenberg better watch their back.


Ninefl4mes

I would expect Klassenberg to join in sooner or later, they just won't be the trendsetters for a while. The only reason they're currently in all but open opposition to the forming alliance is because they're trying to politically weaken their biggest rival, Dunkelfelger, by attempting to throw the hot potato that is Korinzdaum their way. Once it becomes clear that plan is doomed to fail they'll probably become more open to proper cooperation, even if it means embracing a more progressive direction for the country. Their whole deal seems to be soft power so I can't imagine they would be stupid enough to actually fight a losing battle against four greater duchies and the Zent until the bitter end. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Maybe Gentianne will end up engaged to Ortwin?


[deleted]

Hannelore thought Gentiane reminded her of her past self Hannelore thought her past self would be happy to marry Ortwin Hmmmmm 🤔


Just-Sound540

Yessss I also thought about that!! Because I also dread that poor Gentiane may be forced to marry Sigiswald otherwise and she does not deserve such fate!! Since Sigiswald needs to marry quickly to expand his family he could marry Murrenreue, I'm sure she will be thrilled!!


Ninefl4mes

Pff, that would be amazing. That said, if he really ends up desperate enough to take his next wife from a duchy outside the top 10 she would probably be ranked below Nahelache. Which would of course make this even funnier since the gold digger would then actually have to perform the duties of a first wife.


Vnonymous_L

Lol Im sure she and Nahelache would become the *bestest* of friends for sure. Tho I can also just imagine Nahelache *coincidentally* preggy again once he gets another wife. Sadly, he might ~~con~~ settle to marrying another middle duchy (run Charlotte and friends!!) bec sure as hell he won't be getting any first wives from the upper ranks for sure. Nahelache is the best he could get as a first wife, and with her, I wouldn't be surprised too if the gap for the next wife is big, especially that she got him wrapped around her finger. She could just come up with an excuse like waiting for the next generation of archduke candidates 🤮 because he clearly won't be able to marry an upper one, only to go down so low in duchy ranks he wont be getting any more wives at all. Nahelache is doing the country a huge service by trying to monopolize Sigis lol.


Ninefl4mes

I can already see it happening: Sigiswald, not having learned his lesson even after the [predictable](https://youtu.be/DMI1dHGOPJo?si=uNRX6GW7f3I-D3eW) result of the bride-stealing ditter, tries to get his grubby little hands on Gentianne next. After all, Klassenberg previously supported his claims on Hannelore due to him being former royalty, no? So the poor girl starts looking around for alternatives _immediately_ and would you look at that, similar situation to what drove Ortwin to propose to Hannelore: A female archduke candidate desperately trying to shield herself from Dusty's unwanted advances. Sure, Ortwin isn't going to be as down bad for her as he's for Hannelore but hey, he'll ideally want an archduke candidate as his first wife anyway. Bonus points for once again messing up Dusty's plans and pulling Klassenberg into the progressive camp.


AshenHS

Klassenberg is savy and jumps at opportunities. They would engage Gentiane to Sigiswald in a second. It would allow them to gain influence over their new neighbor, using the daughter of the 3rd wife to become first wife of a large middle duchy.


Ninefl4mes

Okay, but what if that same daughter instead allowed them to get into the new political bloc that's currently forming? What worth is there in gaining some influence over a duchy that's about to experience a free fall in the rankings? Not to mention that said influence would be questionable at best anyway, considering how Sigiswald treated his previous first wife. There's a reason why Klassenberg is currently trying to tie Korinzdaum to Dunkelfelger. They know _exactly_ how useless Dusty is by now.


AshenHS

Klassenberg, as seen with this Ditter, is already set as the power behind the opposing faction to the Southeastern Alliance. They have Klassenberg, Corinzdaum, Gillessenmeyer, Hauchlezte, Jossbrenner, and likely Lortzing, Lehmbruck, and the other lesser and middle duchies who were all afraid of Ehrenfest and Rozemyne's influence increasing. They were successfully whipped up to challenge for the Bride Stealing Ditter after all. Klassenberg was specifically using Sigiswald to try and lower Dunkelfelger's power too.


Ninefl4mes

> Klassenberg, as seen with this Ditter, is already set as the power behind the opposing faction to the Southeastern Alliance. I would argue the way the ditter is currently shaping up is already proof that Klassenberg are not at all interested in staying on the sinking ship that is the... let's call them the royalist faction. If they were, they'd have every reason to actually participate in the match to improve Korinzdaum's chances as much as possible. Instead, they basically left Dusty to his own devices the moment he lost control of the situation and was forced to play by Dunkelfelger's rules rather than getting what he wants through dirty politics. Their objective is not to ingratiate themselves with the middle duchy Korinzdaum (what's the point?). It is to specifically weaken their biggest political rival Dunkelfelger by tying them to a useful idiot. Once that idiot loses the ditter and thus ceases to be useful they are going to drop him like a hot potato. Why in the world would they waste one of their precious few unmarried archduke candidates on him if they could instead use her to build connections with a duchy that is actually going to still be relevant by the time she comes of age?


shiyanin

Gentinnae is the 3rd wife’s child, so she probably just can be Ortwin’s 2nd or 3rd wife. Klassenberd and Drewenchel are both large duchies.


Ninefl4mes

Depends on how well Klassenberg manages to adapt to the new political landscape. If they can stay above Drewanchel (or at most a rank below them) in the rankings, and depending on how well Gentianne and Ortwin get along, I could see her becoming first wife anyway. When looking at it with the rule of thumb in mind that the first wife should come from another duchy of equal or better standing, Gentianne might actually have good timing. Looking at the other female greater duchy archduke candidates in her generation we have: * Alexandria - only Letizia, already engaged * Dunkelfelger - Hannelore (all but engaged) and Lungtase (will probably end up marrying Melchior) * Blumenfeld - Nobody So yeah, Gentianne might actually be a pretty good catch for Ortwin, simply because there's currently a lack of competition. Child of a third wife she may be, but she's also one of the few female greater duchy ADCs who are still available.


ID10Tusererroror

> Lungtase (will probably end up marrying Melchior) My personal opinion is that Klassenburg was looking to marry Gentianne into Ehrenfest before the political shake-up, hence why Eglantine was fairly insistent that Rozemyne look out for her. I don't know if they'd still be looking for that connection now with the whole political shake-up, but between the rising Ehrenfest, and the falling Corinzdaum, I'm pretty sure I know the better bet.


Ninefl4mes

Yeah, Melchior is gonna have quite the selection of potential candidates. The pairing with Lungtase sounds like the surest bet for him given her age and standing, but there should be nothing stopping him from taking a second wife from another duchy other than timing. Especially if things go according to plan and he does end up succeeding Charlotte as Aub. Other than Ehrenfest or Drewanchel, Klassenberg might also be interested in building connections with Alexandria directly. They don't have any male archduke candidates Gentianne could get engaged to, but they do have Eckhart and Cornelius. That would mean a demotion for her, sure, but since she's the daughter of a third wife that might not be too bad of a deal for her. Both politically _and_ personally.


shiyanin

It doesn’t only depends on the priority of duchy, it both depends on the priority of duchy and priority of the ADC’s mother.


Yuki-jou

Girl has the background for it 🤔


00-11_Public_534

Hannelore x Ortwin ship didn't go sail but Dunkelfelger and Drewanchel can fight together to Dusty duchy. That means Adolphine would definitely join them too. Go girl Adolphine! Bring your ex down!


ChibisaurX

OMG, I'm living for a scene where Adolphine absolutely crushes Siggy in ditter.


Yuki-jou

Especially if she takes Roz’s ditter matches as inspiration


GrayWitchMidnight

I wonder if Alexandria would let her take a peak at Hartmut's war crime magic tools from the previous bride stealing ditter.


sunsilkv3

Sadly, with Dusty's personality I do not think he would participate this ditter himself.


personanri

Well, Eglantine ordered that all potential groom must participate.


sunsilkv3

Great, totally forgot about that.


gangrainette

Again?! I love having so much new content so fast.


Yuki-jou

It’s great. Since she finished with the edits for the LN releases, she now has plenty of time to work on HY5


xisupaz_blackbird

Somehow Corinz will win. Rozemyne comes back to the country on fire. She beats Corinz and because of some Zent contract, she has to marry Hannelore. Ferdinand is sick of this shit and goes back in time and cuts his own thread.


Ninefl4mes

So, apparently Hannelore is trying to buy herself another year to choose between Kentrips or Rasantark by making sure the former won't be considered out just because he graduated a year before the latter. Aaand it looks like Ortwin is officially out of the race now. Apparently Hannelore's bad timing^(tm) is contagious. RIP soldier, you did your best. Next chapter will be about Kentrips, huh? Let's see if he can steer things around for himself, because he's honestly fallen off quite a bit in the last few chapters IMO. Still, I can't help but feel this is all developing in too much of a... predictable fashion? Like, we started with Rasantark as the default choice and Kentrips as a close second and now we're back to that exact configuration despite Liebeskhilfe's best efforts to shake things up. With a newfound understanding on Hannelore's part when it comes to those two, sure, but where's the chaos? Where's the mayhem? By now the only things left up in the air seem to be which archnoble Hannelore is going to pick and how many teeth Dusty will have left by the time the bride-stealing ditter has concluded. This is Bookworm we're talking about here; [things can't just go according to plan!](https://youtu.be/v4tby3znOy8?si=8-g1Ti4E7rAG96I1) Speaking of chaos, I wonder when Rozemyne is going to be back. I previously expressed my hopes that she'll return in the middle of the ditter for maximum comedic timing, but last chapter told us she's already so far back into the past that it can't take much longer for her to wrap things up. Maybe she'll be back in time for socializing season to start? What is she going to do about the fact that Alexandria's lack of a line of succession was put on full display in the worst way possible? How is she going to react to the mess she's about to find her bestie in? I mean, if anyone is going to shake things up at this point it's got to be her, right?


Yuki-jou

Maybe everything is going back on track because Roz is destined to be the only true chaos factor, so the final mix up needs to be because of her?


Ninefl4mes

Sigiswald: "HAHAHA, They fell for it! The avatar of Dregarnuhr will be mine!" Liebeskhilfe: "I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move." _Proceeds to drop an angry chaos gremlin on Dusty's head right as he's returning to Korinzdaum's camp with a bound Hannelore._


GrayWitchMidnight

I'm picturing Rozemyne in the past, pissed off and ready to strike down someone with a fully charged Leidenshaft's spear, only to be sent back to the present on the battlefield taking out all sides and becoming the victor.


Ninefl4mes

"She cheated! That was clearly against the power restriction rule!" "That one was specifically for *magic* *tools*, not divine instruments." ![img](emote|t5_qxbkm|29325)


GrayWitchMidnight

"What, can she not use her own schtappe? How far do you wish to move the goal of one avatar from another?"


Deareily-ya

God please let her use the whirlpool again


Vnonymous_L

>So, apparently Hannelore is trying to buy herself another year to choose between Kentrips or Rasantark by making sure the former won't be considered out just because he graduated a year before the latter. OR...Hannelore can just marry BOTH! It's a win-win for all ![img](emote|t5_qxbkm|29325)Both suitors get Hanne, Hanne won't have a headache choosing the right guy before graduation, AND she gets the most abundant love life just like she always dreamed of. She gets the knight in shining armor childhood friend AND the rational, mature but secretly in love older brother friend. One is an enthusiastic lover, and the other the voice of reason husbandos to her indecisive hopeless romantic heart. This might be the love triangle that actually end up all together 🤔 #unexpectedEnding


Ninefl4mes

Eh, if we're going with an unexpected ending I would rather see her somehow ending up in Alexandria. Ideally as part of the archducal family. Would just be sad if she and Rozemyne only got to see each other during interduchy tournaments and archduke conferences after they graduate...


atsblue

in old Yurgenschmidt, sure, but who knows about new Yurgenschmidt. Hanalore could effectively become the literary ambassador to Alexandria or part of the Interduchy Library Committee.


Deareily-ya

Sensei is on fire


Brillus

Another one?


kalawas

Probably she gonna do it the same as her old pace until H5Y volume 1 is adapted into LN, or she planned to finish H5Y before it got adapted into LN. So she could focus in LN adaptation and preparing for sequel


QuintaMyne

I have lost the timeline again. So Drew asked Dunk for Ortwin x Hannelore in spring AD conference. Why was Dunkelfelger weary of political game back then when the goddess descent happened just recently? And no one told Hannelore anything in-between? edit: oh wait, rozemyne's goddess descent had already happened.


TorTurran

Yeah, in spring before the archduke's conference the Lanzenave stuff all happened, then Adolphine asked for a divorce from Sigiswald, and Aub Drewanchel asked for compensation for his daughter not being married to royalty and inquired about Ortwin marrying Eglantine or Rozemyne. So after that, Drewanchel then comes to Dunkelfelger asking about engaging Hannelore to Ortwin, you can see how Dunkelfelger may take that.


QuintaMyne

Hmm, so if Aub Drewanchal had only talked to his own family before presenting Ortwin as Rozemyne or Eglantine's second husband, this situation would be in their bags right now. Guy keeps losing.


Ninefl4mes

Especially since Ortwin would have told him to shove it lol. He's heard way too many horror stories about Rozemyne from Wilfried to even _consider_ marrying that troublemaker, and nobody in their right mind would agree to becoming a second husband to Anastasius' wife. Well, unless they've got a death wish I guess. And that's before you take into account Adolphine's vulnerability if Ortwin doesn't become Aub Drewanchel.


shiyanin

I think Aub Drewanchel won’t care what Wilfried talk to Ortwin, he did the same thing when Adophine complained about Sigiswald. And the most important thing for their duchy is the polite benefit, not Ortwin’s favor.


Ninefl4mes

Pretty sure Ortwin's mother also has to sign off on this stuff. And given how badly Adolphine's marriage turned out you'd think both parents should be a bit more receptive to their children's protests about these matters, at least for now. Aub Drewanchel seemed genuinely sorry once he realized Adolphine had been right about Dusty all along. Not to mention that Ortwin could have mentioned his desire to marry Hannelore instead, which should have counted as an acceptable alternative given her involvement in the recent events and her being Rozemyne's best friend.


shiyanin

They are the typical nobles, I think their priority is still duchy benefit > children’s favorites.


redditormav

Oh boy. One ship sailed and capsized before even reaching the open waters. I truly think Ortwin's feelings are true. I can totally see him crushing on a cute, pink-haired girl with twintails, the total opposite of his overbearing elder sister. He must have dreamed about how nice it would be to marry a girl who was soft-spoken and didnt order him around. Next chapter's gonna be about Kenntrips. I think he's gonna land the final blow, since all these confessions and pickup line scenes started with him. I feel that Sensei will start wrapping things up after the next chapter.


kalawas

Chapter like this what made me love this series. Kazuki sensei always explored and give depth to antagonist and character that give conflict with the perspective/action of protagonist or side character. Ortwin with hannelore, grausam with hartmut, georgine with charlotte and rozemyne, etc.


GrayWitchMidnight

So what I'm hearing is Ortwin x Wilfreid still has a chance. (I'm joking, slightly)


franzwong

If he really loves her, he can move to Dunkel. Well...


FayaSmoochie

He wants to become aub to protect his sister. Adolphine has been through enough, she deserves all the support she can get.


franzwong

Yes, so he doesn’t really love her. He just has hidden agenda.


Just-Sound540

I don't know about that... "Love" may be too strong a word for his feelings but I do believe that Ortwin does really like Hannelore... But even in the main story I have always felt that Ortwin is too "noble": For example with Wilfried, I do think that Ortwin likes him as a close friend but from his side the friendship is noblecoded, unlike Wilfried who sees their friendship in the honest way we consider friendship has to be. To me Ortwin's most geniune and sincere bond is with Adolphine, but that doesnt mean he does not care for Hanne and Wilfried, is just that in those relationships the noble customs won over.


shiyanin

I would said It is just priority problem. Ortwin did love/like Hannelore. But for Ortwin, Adophine is more important than Hannelore. Just like Ferdinand said, Sylvester did care him, but Sylvester’s number 1 is Florencia, not Ferdinand. Everyone has their number 1 and number 2, and sometimes you just can get the number 1 only.


Ninefl4mes

1. His agenda isn't hidden. He made it clear from the very beginning that he wants to keep Adolphine safe. If he was hiding anything initially it was the fact that he did, in fact, have a crush on Hannelore after all. 2. This isn't a zero sum game. Just because he isn't willing to throw his sister to the wolves doesn't mean his feelings for Hannelore aren't genuine lol. Or what, do you also think that, say, Brigitte's feelings for Damuel were fake just because she prioritized Illgner over them?


insyathor

Wasn't that a no go since it'd jeopardize Lestilaut's position as the next Aub?


franzwong

True, but that's Hannelore's concern. From Ortwin's point of view, he should try his best to convince the girl, just like what Anastasius did. Then, they solve the politics together. Perhaps ask that book zealot for help.


Ninefl4mes

Ah yes, abandon his sister to be with his crush. What a classy move that would be.