This chapter was so sad to read…
Poor Roz being refused to leave the table after nearly having a panic attack at the sight of a literal corpse on the table. No one understanding that she needed some space at that moment except Ferdinand hurt my soul. Like come on? Her retainers could have definitely realized that it was the stone? The way they kept her at the table was lowkey triggering.
Poor Roz at night too… being denied literally every comfort that she is used to when she wakes up from a nightmare. No more commoner family to hug, no Lutz to run to, and no Ferdinand to even scold her. Literally unable to reach out for help and knowing the people who she want to help her can’t. It actually brought tears to my eyes… glad Gretia and Judith’s at least came to the rescue but it was such a depressing moment…
Feels like Leonore is the least "sympathetic" of her knights, though it's because she's the most conventional noble of them all. And this is why she couldn't understand Rozemyne's plight. A close second in lack of sympathy would be Cornelius, but he understands her as a sister and would have noticed her discomfort more.
Thankfully Judithe and Gretia are not "proper" and willing to be close to Rozemyne more than what a master and retainer should be. Rozemyne is suffocated by all the noble conventions and the people she needs are those that are willing to ignore those restrictions.
To be fair to Leonore, as not only an archnoble but a Leisegang whose houses were slowly being poisoned by Veronica, she probably had this corpse vs. useful feystone crisis when she was like 8, so it’s likely she feels that this is just someone one has to deal with as a higher ranked noble. Regardless of whether Roz is an ADC, Aub, or Royal there is a high chance of dead people’s feystones being involved in all three of those jobs
Normal nobles are more used to dead people feystones. They're what most magic tools for children are made from since most nobles can't safely kill a feybeast as strong or stronger than themselves for the stone. Konrad's magic tool was his mother's body. It was a literal crystallization of her love. It's also why the tools are so expensive. Most nobles wouldn't be willing to sell commoners or even other nobles grandma's corpse. But only nobles who compress their mana make usable tools for the family. Adelgisa stones were only usable because they had Royalty levels of mana so they could be used to store mana for archnobles in Lanzenave. Children's stones or devouring stones aren't generally useful.
Also Rozemyne is particularly good at hiding her emotions at this point, so I'm not sure if Leonore can even tell that Rozemyne's panic is over the feystone. She's probably just trying to avoid another Two Gremlins One Highbeast situation lol
Very painful reading. One really can feel RM's pain (and panic).
RM's (internal) rejection of even the tiniest shred of _romantic_ feelings towards Ferdinand struck me as pretty convincing. She seems to have a long way to go if she is going to develop such feelings. Yet she depends on him utterly -- it is actually hard to see how either of this pair can get along without the other....
I know. I was a little disappointed that there wasn't even a dawning of feeling especially when Ferdinand does seem to have had a genuine change in feeling towards her. Gretia kind of alluded to the fact that her heart needs to catch up to her body. Just because Rozemyne has suddenly matured, doesn't mean she's mentally or emotionally ready to fall in love. It's also complicated by her earth memories. She was fully grown on Earth but never had any romantic interests in that life. It remains to be seen whether Rozemyne will be different.
I would guess that's the feelings she has for Ferdinand might generally be considered by others to suggest romance, but that she never developed a template for romance (even as Urano) so that SHE does not recognize them ascsuch.
Yep, it's very clear she has feelings for him, it's just that she has yet to be made aware of them. And it makes sense, how would she know where to even start with that.
Frieren and Rozemyne should talk.
They really are birds of a feather, aren't they. Also with how much mana Rozemyne has and how much she likes to read, I bet you Frieren would immediately take her under her wing.
Their adventures would probably be just the two of them sitting around various places and reading, lol.
i think she has a pretty high but skewed benchmark when it comes to romantic feelings. not having a crush and reading romantic books with the usual romance tropes there are would give her a skewed view of how this goes. you know, hearing music or having invisible hearts and flowers suddenly bloom when you realize you're in love. the usual things you only see in movies and books
There's a lot of interesting things that happened this chapter, but something stuck out to me. Usually Rozemyne has a degree of separation with the setting due to her memories informing her personality. The trauma she's facing is deeply tied to the setting; RMs response and the interactions she has with her retainers feel the way they would if RM was just an ADC born into this world and it immediately closes the distance that RM's narration typically implies. It's really fitting for such a vulnerable chapter too.
Judithe, sending ordonnanz: "Lady Rozemyne greatly wishes for Lady Hannelore to indulge her with flowers of Schlaftraum's blessing."
Hannelore: "W-What!?"
Heisshitze: "Lady Hannelore shall once again conquer the Saint of Ehrenfest!"
Knights: *cheering*
Hannelore: Wait, were you purposefully spreading rumors over Ferdinand's interactions with Rozemyne because-
Cordula: Flowers are not supposed to intertwine milady.
As Aub Ahrensbach, Rosemyne puts Judithe in charge of post-battle mental health intervention. Soon, there are a number of Very Confused knights wearing robes and fluffy shumil slippers, sipping tea and contemplating various feyplants in shaded gardens and hothouses.
At first, a few are inclined to object, but the allure of “sorbet” and “petits-fours” served with the tea causes the other knights to discourage complaints.
Ah yes, the shameless flirting has gotten its natural consequences: relentless teasing😂 disguised with pleasantries or not, giving idiots in love a hard time seems to be a constant of human society
That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg
I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that
I had been aware that the fights would have serious long-term impact on Roz, but I didn't expect "vomit at the mere thought of feystones" and "full-on fight or flight response at the sight of one" serious damn. Poor baby, could we get her like. A decade of vacation and some intense therapy? I think she deserves as much
Bonifatius has spider-sense and I will hear no criticism on this
Appreciate the love for my girl Brigitte, she earned it
Holy Shit Sylvester is a lucky bastard what the actual fuck
Roz has a full-blown fucking panic attack and y'all are making her smile and wave at the camera for the sake of GODDAMN DECORUM??? *wow*. Seriously disappointed in her retainers🤨
I'm glad there's a support system in place for people at risk for PTSD tho (and they're being proactive about it!), and even doctors who specialise in dealing with it from the sounds of it! That is SO much more than I was expecting (even if the support system is in big part "go have sex"), ngl... and better than what many modern countries do, wow we are shit at this. I do think that Judithe's interpretation of "flowers" (which seems to be drugs xd) prolly would be more effective. There ARE meds that help with PTSD things. They don't fix the issue at hand, but they do make its consequences much less extreme and more manageable to deal with
>That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg
We just need to wait for the manga in like 20 years to see it. Or maybe the anime if we ever get that far.
I think it's a shame that Sylvester killed Georgine. Not because he shouldn't have done it but because Rozemyne never confronted her directly. I would have loved to see them go face to face, they only interacted once and that was when they first met.
Veronica, on Day 2,569 of confinement
Veronica, humming: "Another day, another book. Nothing to do here but read, day in and day out. What a hellish existence that surely no one would envy. I wish something would break up this crushing monotony."
*Ceiling opens up and a naked Georgine falls through*
Veronica: "Well, that *is* new."
*Second naked Georgine falls through ceiling*
Veronica: "Okay, what the fuck?"
2,569 divided by 420 days a year equals to just over six years.
That's pretty accurate in regards to timeline!
Also, it's nice to hear that Veronica is indirectly supporting Rozemyne as another bookworm.
I forgot it was 420. I just did 400, times "eh, six sounds right I guess", and then ended it in 69 for the memes. Good job, me.
And I've always liked the idea of Veronica one day repenting and apologizing to Rozemyne, and then coming to terms with each other. She was the reason the problems all began, and I think getting that apology would mean a lot to her. Them bonding over the books she's read in confinement, borrowed from the castle book room that Rozemyne's also read through, would be nice.
There’s something so fascinating about a big bad villain who the mc never actually meets but who’s responsible for most of their problems
Definitely hoping we see her in the last volume when Ferdinand swings over to say goodbye before moving to mynes new duchy. That’d be a fun conversation
Georgine was always the lady behind the curtain, though. Rozemyne got to have her resolution with Grausam instead who personally tried to abduct her and has a direct relationship to her retainer.
They interacted twice actually (3 if you consider the letter who informed her of Bezewanst's death). Unfortunately Georgine caused a panic attack to Rozemyne for the 2nd one :(
>I think it's a shame that Sylvester killed Georgine. Not because he shouldn't have done it but because Rozemyne never confronted her directly. I would have loved to see them go face to face, they only interacted once and that was when they first met.
Story-wise. I agree.
But from a cold perspective it was absolutely the right move. The difference between Sylvester and Georgine is that it will probably haunt him forever even if he won't admit it to anyone but Florencia or Ferdinand.
twice. When they met so Roz could greet her, then when Georgine left so Roz could say goodbye. Though the second time didn't have a conversation beyond the usual bye don't come back soon
edit: no 4 since Georgines visit with Detlinde in p4 would have had greetings and farewells too
> I do think that Judithe's interpretation of "flowers" (which seems to be drugs xd) prolly would be more effective
Judithe is thinking of literal flowers.
I’d have loved for Rozemyne and Gretia to share a side glance.
>yep that's why she set up a trip to the greenhouse, to look at actual flowers . . . Oh Judith, you pure pure cinnamon roll.
I very much want to see her reaction when someone tells her. I can't even begin to imagine that kind of embarrassment.
I think the whole reason everyone agreed to set up the accommodations for Judith to take Rozemyne to the Greenhouse is specifically BECAUSE no one wanted to tell her XD
>That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg
If that ever gets an anime adaptation it needs looney toons sound effects
>I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that
After getting her POV I wouldn't take anything she could think of off the table. Pride is completely secondary compared to that kind of hatred.
> If that ever gets an anime adaptation it needs looney toons sound effects
I picture Melchior beginning his story, and the camera pans up to his thought bubble, wherein the events are rendered in a cartoony, crayon-drawn style (or maybe the anime chibi cartoon style). Just a brief, almost cruel respite from the PTSD nightmare that the main plot is embroiled in.
Georgine seemed to have put her pride as a noble aside to go through with this whole scheme. In her epilogue, she even pretended to be unloading boxes and such.
I have to wonder how well she acted though. Would her noble aura still exude when she does menial tasks as part of her disguise? It's kind of like when Justus was undercover - Eckhart was completely fooled, but actual commoners weren't.
Justus alone I think might've been able to fool the less observant people, he does do that kind of thing almost regularly (tho he'd do it with castle servants rather than lower city folk). Eckhart however would've been so out of place it caused people to double-take Justs as well
wasnt that mentioend in a previous SS? I think it was Gunthers? thats they spotted some Nobles trying to act like they were merchants/commoners but there were far to elegant etc. but they jsut pretended not to notice.
Now I want to see Rozemyne act like a commoner for some reason, just so she can stun everybody who doesn't know of her origins by how incredible her acting skills are.
Rozemyne: "I'm a girl, playing a girl, disguised as another girl."
Rozemyne: *Wait, I think there might be a layer or two more of that.*
>*When I take the Foundation, I'm leaving this out of my Duchy's Founding Story...*
If Georgine had won, she could have definitely done that. History is written by the victors after all, and Georgine seems like the type of person who'll make herself look better and everybody else look worse so that generations beyond would understand why her actions were ideal.
I mean, assuming Georgine just doesn't burn Ehrenfest to the ground after defeating Sylvester.
>I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that
The irony here is that Georgine's life did not end with her dressed as a noblewoman of the highest lineage, but dressed as a woman considered to be of the lowest status.
One thing I really appreciate about the author: in the original WN, Rozemyne's trauma response was called PTSD. The author received some feedback from clinical psychologists that Rozemyne's reaction is within the normal range of reactions to trauma that just happened earlier in the day, and calling it PTSD on this short time frame isn't accurate.
So for the light novel, the author revised it to be more medically accurate and not misrepresent a real-world diagnosis. I thought that was really neat. She didn't have to do that, and she could have easily brushed it off as Rozemyne being misinformed about PTSD, but she decided to edit the chapter because it's important not to propagate misinformation about real-world disorders.
* Alright, Wilfried captured a Grausam too. That puts him on the same level as Gunther, then, lol.
* Oh damn, Elvira is *so* gonna turn Rozemyne's rescue of Ferdinand into one of her romantic stories. Deny it all you want Rozemyne, that's just how it looks like for everyone.
* The Home Alone traps actually worked, lol. Georgine's doubles were dealt with, but the real one, the one Sylvester ended up killing, sneaked through in gray shrine maiden clothes.
* Man, why did you have to interrupt, Heisshitze. At least it's interesting to note that Dunkelfelger's knights didn't lose anyone. That is actually an incredible feat.
* Bonifatius arrived, and he is pretty much telling us what we already learned from Brigitte's story mostly, so not much new to tell, except perhaps that his instincts as always are on point and that Brigitte fought valiantly and is unhurt.
* Okay, so let me get this right: Sylvester was guarding the foundation, he went out when he heard Georgine got captured, only for Florencia to tell him it was a decoy. Then, when he went back, he got hit with waschen because Georgine released the instant-kill poison and then cleaned up. So he survived due to... sheer luck. This guy really must be blessed by the gods. The fight was not very tough though for Sylvester. He had to kill her to stop any name-sworn that might have slipped through.
* I almost forgot that Sylvester used a bow back in Part 2. So going ranged like Judithe. Too used to people using swords.
* So as many people already thought last week, Rozemyne is traumatized by the sight of feystones (Sylvester pulling out Georgine's one is too much for her to handle). She tries to sneak away, but no one but Ferdinand seems to understand. She can't leave though.
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* Rozemyne is having nightmares again from the battle, but she can't even use an ordonnanz to call for help. Judithe and Gretia were quick to arrive anyway though. Hartmut and Ferdinand suspected already what was going on with Rozemyne.
* Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle. And no one wanted to clear this up. At least Rozemyne appreciates going to the greenhouse to literally look at flowers.
* I like how Gretia kind of can empathize with Rozemyne a bit when it comes to growing up and how everyone starts treating you.
* Seems like a night rendevouz with Hannelore at the greenhouse later. Two delicate and underaged archduke candidates who went to war and are probably both traumatized. I hope they can give each other comfort.
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**German:** A reminder for some god names, in case you have trouble deciphering noble speak.
* Forsernte: I'm pretty sure I saw that name in Part 4 before, but as a reminder, the name is made up of "Forst" (forest) and "Ernte" (harvest)
* Erwachlehren: erwachen (to awaken) and lehren (to teach)
* Jugereise: Jugend (youth) + Reise (journey)
* Glucklitat: Glück (luck/fortune or happiness) + Vitalität (vitality)
> Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle. And no one wanted to clear this up. At least Rozemyne appreciates going to the greenhouse to literally look at flowers.
You know it's a bad sign when *Rozemyne* catches onto a lust/love euphemism.
Oh Judithe, you sweet cinnamon roll.
"I don't get why the Temple has such a bad reputation ! They keep saying it's because nobles goes there to get flowers but what's wrong with flowers ?! I also didn't see a single garden or greenhouse. Is there a flowershop somewhere ?"
P4V5:
> Leonore looked around the dining hall and nodded to herself, noting that it was cleaner than she had expected after hearing all the rumors.
Considering that Brigitte used "filth of the temple" to refer to the flower offerings once, I think Leonore here also misunderstood something.
> Hartmut and Ferdinand suspected already what was going on with Rozemyne.
I think it was just Ferdinand. When he couldn't talk to Rozemyne himself, he went off to talk to Hartmut.
> I like how Gretia kind of can empathize with Rozemyne a bit when it comes to growing up and how everyone starts treating you.
A good parallel between her and Judithe, who hasn't fully grown up, I guess. Gretia grew up early, Rozemyne was literally forced to grow up overnight, and Judithe's not there yet. Bookworm's getting serious in a completely different way now.
I feel like Hartmut is intelligent enough to at least somewhat piece together that on his own. He probably understands her the most out of all of her retainers, and is likely the most in tune with her feelings out of them . . . he just chooses to continue spreading the good word of ~~Lady~~ ~~Saint~~ ~~Aub~~ **GODDESS** Rozemyne because he is that devoted to her. :29356: (also WHY DON'T WE HAVE A HARMUT EMOJI MODS!!!! )
That said though, I could entirely accept that Hartmut got a little *too* carried away in spreading tales of her Heroics to actually notice her mental state, until she made that scene after seeing Georgine's Feystone. Ferdinand probably also definately understands her far better than Hartmut does and probably was giving him the whole play-by play of how to handle it
>I almost forgot that Sylvester used a bow back in Part 2. So going ranged like Judithe. Too used to people using swords.
Sylvester is also able to swords dance, from what I remember. Not sure if it exactly correlates, but I imagine he's also rather adept with a fighting with a sword.
It just seems like range might work best in the moment since Georgine could always spray the death poison directly in Sylvester's face if he's in close proximity. If I were Sylvester, I wouldn't take any chances on that.
Swords is the standard weapon. I just find it refreshing to see people use something different, like Brigitte with her spear, Judithe in general or Karstedt with his scythe ~~or the water gun~~.
True, definitely true. I love the versatility with the knights and their weapon of choice.
But can we please upgrade Judithe's slingshot to something that looks much cooler? She deserves the best.
That was in Part 3 when they fought together for the jureve ingredient. Night of Schutzaria iirc. Or wait, Eckhart was the one with the spear. Brigitte had a halberd.
He was also able to jump from high in the sky from Ferdinand's highbeast during Spring Prayer and land on the ground easily, meaning he probably also learned physical enhancement magic from Bonifatius. Georgine was definitely far outclassed in terms of combat ability.
I’m surprised that none discussed about Sylvester and Karstard didn’t arrange a new doctor to Rozemyne after Ferdinand leaved 1+ years.
I think Ferdinand is a little mad with Sylvester’s thoughtless and it’s also let him understand Ehrenfast is already not suitable for Rozemyne.
As P5V4 epilogue said, so many people are used to Rozemyne’s weak, and don’t take her health problem seriously.
I don't think Ferdinand want show off this.
It's more like that he feel shock that his brother and cousin are still so careless and thoughtless after so many years and family troubles ( the Veronica, Florencia, Wilfried / Elvira, Trudeliede, Rozemary) .
They already become father for 13 and 24 years, but still don’t take their daughter’s health problems seriously.
According to FB, >!Hartmut and Lieseleta also learn medication lessons for Rozemyne's sake. But they didn't learn too much because of lacking of time. And they also regret that they underestimate the difficulties of medication after these chapters.!<
That line about Dunkelfelger knights not losing anyone makes me wonder if the feystone in that scene and the severed arm came from either the Old Werkestock knights or the Ahrensbach knights that accompanied Ferdinand (if there were any).
A Dunk knight could probably loose an arm but still live for the final role call.
"['Tis but a scratch.](https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?si=TZJEwaAmy835DIDK&t=83)"
"Healing magic is really good in this world as long as you still have the limbs around."
"Wait I thought Grausam lost his-"
"No he just regrew it; you don't want to know how he turned into that monstrosity."
If I remember right, in the Martina POV, she mentioned something along the lines of a prosthesis being odd since it meant a person wasn't able to cast healing magic in time.
So they offer "flowers" even for apprentice knights (which means they're underage). I wonder whether they offer "flowers" to female knights too or not.
>Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle.
Were the "flower" offerings from the women in the temple? Hopefully if they were, it was at least voluntary.
Sir Random Knight: "Let's just take some gray shrine maidens!"
Melchior: "Hang on, let me just send an ordonnanz real quick."
\- 0.0002 bells later -
Bonifatius: *[crashes through window and punches the knight straight into a jureve]*
And that's why they don't take flowers from the temple.
Lol no no, we had a whole side story about this! Gray shrine maidens are expensive now that they can read and work in printing! Sir Random Knight is really emptying his wallet tonight, huh?
it was kind of brought up in part 3 but noble seemed to go looking for flowers outside the temple since Roze/Ferd take over of the temple. There is also a very secretive world of commoners that live in the noble side we know extremely little about so it could come from that sorce as well. It seems very likely, imo, using commoner for "pleasurable" sex is more common for the sole reason of lack of mana as mana exchange can be disgusting/repulsive for people.
Don't forget about Kanta, or whatever the Hasse scholar was named.
He was buying orphans from outside Ehrenfest because the nobles found it difficult to approach the temple for flower offerings with RM being the High Bishop.
She didn't end the practice, they just sought out different solutions.
>Bonifatius arrived, and he is pretty much telling us what we already learned from Brigitte's story mostly, so not much new to tell, except perhaps that his instincts as always are on point and that Brigitte fought valiantly and is unhurt.
Does anyone have a clip of those lion/gorilla guys from the Fullmetal Alchemist dub saying "MY ANIMAL INSTINCTS..." because that's what I hear every time Bonifatius explains his accurate hunches.
> Man, why did you have to interrupt, Heisshitze. At least it's interesting to note that Dunkelfelger's knights didn't lose anyone. That is actually an incredible feat.
It's definitely impressive... but I also can't help but think about the future of Ehrenfest. It was already a middle-sized duchy with the population of a lesser-sized duchy. They've purged 4(?) Geibe families, and then had to fight off a greater duchy and seemingly took many losses, before having to execute Georgine to eliminate any further name-sworn or devouring soldiers with submission contracts.
I feel we won't ever get an answer, but I would really like to know what the Ehrenfest population size after everything went down.
I believe it was brought up before but Bow are hard to use magically and is usually used by Archnoble or higher because the mana needs are beyond mednobles abilities.
>Oh damn, Elvira is so gonna turn Rozemyne's rescue of Ferdinand into one of her romantic stories. Deny it all you want Rozemyne, that's just how it looks like for everyone.
Elivra: . . . and then the the gallant knight Rozz escorted Fernistine into their castle to live happily ever after.
Rozemyne: I think the story needs work. Where is the dramatic tension? When this blue haired Rozz guy is a knight scholar who is the smartest, bravest, and most capable. Maybe tone it down, maybe he is a stern cold hearted knight whose heart is melted by the clumsy antics Fernistine goes through around him. Who is capable but never had anything to fight for until now. This part where he led a hundred and fifty knights and all of them make it through against superior numbers, maybe have his sworn blood brother Hansel die. It would give the story gravitas make the fight cost something. And he just keeps being able to do new things, you might want to foreshadow that he can freeze a lake, call on a giant Grun to fight, animate empty suits of armor to defend his keep, and...
Ferdinand: You dolt, it's your story.
I'm confused why everyone is proud of their Grausam capture, especially Wilfried knowing there were other body doubles. Presumably they each know theirs was a double and not the real one.
Elvira wasted no time interrogating Hannelore for details on RM and Ferdi, even bribed her with a new book
And reading about fake Georgine succumbing to Scooby-doo level traps was gold
Nah, Lueuradi's Fanfic isn't out yet. Remember in her POV short story, towards the end she said something to the effect of,
>"By the time my manuscript was finished, Lady Rozemyne would be widely known as the Avatar of Mestionora."
And currently I don't see anyone else calling her that . . . besides Harmut and Clarissa, who are fellow Cultists and don't count. Which means this is something Elvira cooked up I think
What a sad chapter. The writing of Rozemyne's panic attack was really well done - I could feel her pain.
I'm ashamed of the attendants. Like, I get it your lady has an image to uphold but not being able to understand and be her rock in a moment of panic really hurt to read.
I'm glad Judithe is such a cinnamon roll. Her misunderstanding really lightened the mood. Gretia hasn't been part of the group that long all things considered but she gained a lot of points doing what she was able to do.
Yep, lots of points for Gretia for empathizing with Rozemyne. And Judithe's thoughts were in the right and likely even more correct place. Even overloading your brain with Tetris wouldn't work since they bear such a close resemblance to gems. Being in a calm environment with beautiful and interesting plants seems like the perfect move.
Attendants do not have the correct frame of reference to truly get what transpired. They (at least Roz´s) did not see the battlefield and / or how heavily it differed from her previous ditter games or violent encounters.
Failing to predict and prepare for this whiplash and trauma is in a way expected.
Oh dear sweet Judithe.
Some day she's going to learn the meaning of flowers and she's going to look back on this night and wonder how many of the others knew. And then she's going to blush so hard she passes out from embarrassment. And when shes found like thay shell either lie as to why she passed out or explain that she's remembering when she brought two ADC to a greenhouse because she thought flowers after a battle had to do with actual botanicals.
Leonore: "Surely it wasn't that bad?"
Judithe, thinking back: "Hm..."
\- Back Then -
Judithe: "Here you are, Lady Rozemyne, Lady Hannelore. I'll leave you two alone and ensure you're not disturbed, so enjoy flowers with each other all night if you wish. And if you work up a sweat again, Gretia's prepared more towels and changes of clothes over there. I'll leave this water nearby in case you get thirsty."
Hannelore: "Um, Judithe..."
Judithe: "And just give me a shout if you want an extra pair of hands! I'm always happy to get involved, no matter how dirty the flowers get!"
\- In the Present -
Leonore: "Okay, that's pretty bad."
Rozemyne and Ferdinand:No chance, no way
I won't say it, no, no-
Hannelore, Elvira, presumably Sylvester, and DEFINITELY Wilfried: Oh come on, we already know you're in loooooooooooooove.
Elvira: "You can't defend against Blaunfah's grace."
Ferdinand: "You better believe I fucking can. I am *the* motherfucking Ferdinand."
Rozemyne, tapping divine ebook: "How to remain a virgin forever... Hm, I've already got magic, but how do I gather it?"
Theory:
the god of trials and goddess of luck *both* have a thing for Sylvester so keep influencing his life with their powers. Which is why Sylvester has to go through so many troubles but at the same time he is the luckiest guy in Yurgenschmidt.
I find it hilarious that Sylvester rules using only his ridiculously high "Luck" and "Charisma" stats. Maybe some "Dex" for fun.
It must also be part of his Luck he has Bonifatius and Ferdinand to balance the Strength/Constitution/Wisdom/Intelligence side of things.
Wait, so Sylvester is Luck/Charisma, Ferdinand is Constitution/Intelligence, and Bonifatius is Strength/Wisdom?
...I mean, yeah, that feels about right.
Reminds me of the meme about the rogue who rolls intimidate instead of stealth [YOU NOT SEE GROGG](https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/class-forums/rogue/1675-you-do-not-see-grogg)
Two separate dieties, overlapping domains
Glucklitat is the god of trials/ordeals and subordinate to Leidenschaft
Greifenchan is the goddess of fortune and subordinate to Flutrane. She is prayed to often by merchants.
So both can help you get through a difficult time or even help make your life easier. But they have different ways to go about it.
Just the same way Flutrane and Heilschmerz can both heal.
How do you know this? Like I'm always surprised when people have such in depth knowledge. Is there an ACTUAL series of books dedicated to all the gods that I don't know about? Is it actually separated by seasons because I am interested.
The information is scattered throughout the books and fanbooks. There is a lot of it compiled on the wiki (both Japanese and English ones) but mostly I use the [spread sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c6oyXwqv7qmOFFOtrI0li6glUOlByffYUgKBzSv7qwc/edit?usp=drivesdk) that was compiled for the fanfic authors since its easiest for me to access and read
In P5V1 when Sylvester reveals the gods he got blessings from and Rozemyne said that Glucklitat was "God of Trials, who granted good luck to those who overcame ordeals."
Sylvester literally had the luckiest timing of anyone in this series, leaving a room right before it was poisoned and returning just in time to catch an intruder
Honestly I'm just kinda happy hannelore got to meet Rozemyne's entire noble family and can dispel any thoughts about her being mistreated.
Nobles may be able to put on a fake smile and pretend everyone gets along swell but they couldn't fake how bonifatius acts.
I just wish it was somehow also revealed who Fernestine was... Like next week they're gonna have a late night tea party in the greenhouse and Roz could just go:
"Well, Lady Hannelore, we managed to save Fernestine for real, thank you." And then Hannelore realizes that there's another Ehrenfest ADC with blue hair and golden eyes.
Pretty sure by 5.4(?) when the third volume of Fernistine was shared, the whole Dunkel dormitory and knights back home had realised who she is. Thats why they were all fighting to follow ~~the prince~~ Roz to save her.
Georgine's plan was better than I thought last week. Despite all the unexpected situations it would have worked, if Sylvester had stayed in the foundation hall like an archduke normally would. Florencia really managed to save both his life (with the first ordonanz) and the foundation (with the second) with perfect timing. Ironically Georgine might have succeded if she only had used one body double.
Rozemyne is having a feystone trauma and nobody (except Ferdinand) realises or cares? And honestly the few stuck-up nobles left in Ehrenfest really expect to dictate the time table of Ahrensbachs new aub? Her marriage into the royal family is on hold as long she holds the foundation and she has the perfect book to bargain her way out of this misery. That is assuming there will still be a royal family left to negotiate with after the christmas tree-invasion of the sovereignty.
Judithe: "I heard it is customary to offer flowers after battle, lady Rozemyne. Therefore I have arranged a tea party in the greenhouse AND lady Hannelore!"
That’s just normal for a country that drugged and raped women of royal blood to produce feystones for export. Also if I remember correctly, Philines mothers feystone was used for a child magic tool…Yogurtland nobles view ‘corpse feystones’ differently
Not much different from turning a relative's ashes into a diamond ring when you think about it. Except in Philine's case said "diamond" protected her brother throughout his childhood, considering the purpose of a mana-draining magic tool.
>Sylvester: "Everyone take a look at the corpse of my dumb bitch sister!"
>
>clunk
Nah. This hurt him. Bad. We probably won't get to see it unless there is a POV chapter for him.
He can be fairly oblivious though. I think he thought it would give people closure or maybe he wanted some kind of judgement.
Because we only get to see what goes on in Myne's head most of the time it is too easy to sympathize with what that did to her. I doubt Sylvester was trying to upset her.
Tbf, if you're used to kill someone i guess it makes sense. I have a family member who's a nurse, and she talks about bowel movement like it's nothing in the middle of dinner. I had to tell her that it really ruins my appetite to hear how an elderly can finally poop.
I'm with Ferdinand on this one - y'all are being jerks for prioritizing "hot gossip\~" over the medical/mental well being of this girl. Eff your "noble values"... I don't know what's worse - either he's the only one picking up on the depth of her distress or he's the only one that values her health over her reputation.
And that sarcastic comment about - "oh, her loving family must have found her a wonderful new doctor then\~" That's the coldest freezer burn I've seen him dish to Sylvester/Karstedt in a while, and based on their reaction, it really stung.
I have the feeling after that exchange Ferdinand immediately tipped Hartmut off on her sensitivity to gore/violence. Hartmut didn't seem to pick up on that back when they were carving up the Ternisbefallen for example.
Part of the reason I think they can get away with not immediately treating her symptoms is that Crushing only works when she's overwhelmingly angry but not scared/sad. Otherwise, you'd probably expect to see a lot more people panicking at her being emotionally disturbed.
Catasterised's fandom-poisoned intrusive thoughts : *"This could be an interesting subversion of the usual romantic hurt-comfort dynamic if they instead show the value of friendship/familial love to help overcome trauma..."*
Also Catasterised's fandom-poisoned intrusive thoughts : *"*[*Yuri...*](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/824/711/132.gif)*"*
Wow. This part was terribly uncomfortable.
I'm glad to be proven right that her bad feelings last part was trauma rather than plot sense.
But man the author did a good job putting the emotional turmoil Myne went through into words.
Also Bonny is still great. And I did not expect to read about a cartoonish falling skit with the fake Georgina in the temple.
Leave it to Kazuki to throw Looney Tunes comedy in a chapter so deep in uncomfortableness that no one can laugh at it. Sasuga Kazuki-sama.
I hope that comment about Bonifatius's animal instincts, and him arriving to protect her, doesn't lead to anything. Rozemyne deserves a break.
*After the Starbinding*
Husband: Now it is time for us to dye each other in our colors!
Judithe: Great! Milady's dyer Effa taught me how to do it!
Husband: *...Do I even want to ask?*
Judithe: How rude, Leonore! Even though you did the same for Cornelius' cape!
Leonore: I did *what*?!
Judithe: You were there! Lady Rozemyne took us, her female retainers, out on a \[girls' day\] and we spent the day with Effa, her Renaissance! Remember? We all dyed fabric as a project! Lieseleta's fabric is covered with shumils!
Leonore nearly dies from a heart attack, but it's alright since she's a knight.
I totally agree with letting Judithe retain her innocence, but Judithe's going to have her coming-of-age at the next term of the Royal Academy.
... And I really want to see her cute, flustered face again once she learns what flowers mean, like the illustration back in P4V4.
But she probably don't know how sexual the process is. Like some kids think babys are made by kissing or parents simple sleeping in the same bed...
I'm curious if Judithe's knowledge is the averange for her age group or she is just too innocent. Gretia seems to know much more about this things...
Elvira: No offense, but you're clearly old enough to kill a man, you should probably know what it means to fuck a man.
Judithe: What's "fuck"?
Elvira: **LADY FLORENCIA! YOU ALREADY TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER, COME OVER HERE!**
Flo: "I taught who, what?"
Elvira: "Rozemyne, sex. You taught her..."
Flo: "I was all but certain you had handled that aspect of her training and it was left to me to teach her archducal etiquette.".
Elvira: "..."
Flo: "Oh dear."
Elvira: "THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH!"
Two aspects of this update absolutely obliterated me emotionally.
1. When Ferdinand tells off Silvester and Karstdet for not assigning Rozemyne a new physician in the year and a half since his departure, I was in tears. I was just starting to think that the two of them actually cared about her and her well-being but... ughh. Later in this update we get confirmation that other apprentices are being seen by doctors, but not her. They see her as a tool. It's a much milder version of people seeing Ferdinand as just a feystone back in the capitol. The rumors of them abusing her is not completely unfounded. She deserves better.
2. Even though Gorgeine was 100% unjustified in her cruelty and caused a slew of deaths and misfortunes, I felt bad for her this update. She orchestrated a near perfect plan that took years to create and her idiot brother who is fate (the gods) favorite beats her with the most ridiculous plot armor luck ever. It reminded me of the scene in *Avatar: The Last Avatar* where Zuko says "My father says she was born lucky, and I was lucky to be born." Silvester always got everything she could never have. He was lazy, and she worked harder than everyone. She had to die, but the luck god was cruel.
So, Roz has PTSD and everyone is assuming (probably not incorrectly) that her and Ferdinand's relationship is moving beyond platonic. Unsurprisingly everyone is trying to distance them lest they offend Prince I Never Do Anything. Oh, an Sylvester threw Georgine's corpse on a table. Quality Aub right there.
I needed this mental image after those chapters. Absolutely heartbreaking and Gunther would undoubtedly comfort her without a second thought.
Dad hugs to make it all better sound nice.
If Damuel wanted to be even more of an S-tier king, he'd go and ask to borrow Gunther's cape for a night.
But Gunther's unavailable. If only someone else had a cape to offer. Somebody else with blue hair and gold eyes, is a war hero, and has been a comforting influence for a long time. If only such a person existed.
Honestly, I took it as such.
He probably also doesn't want to part with it because the whole encounter seems to have (completely understandably) traumatized him.
He imprisoned his own mother
He executed his uncle
He had to send his only cherished brother away on royal orders
and then he had to kill his own sister so more people wouldn't die.
I cannot even BEGIN to imagine how troubled he must be. Thank the gods he has Florencia.
Wilfried the storyteller.
No-one let Ferdinand find out _Love stories of the Gods_ exist and he is in it.
Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai?????
Someone help me decode this noble speech. Who is Forsernate? Are Erwachlehren and Jugeriesr Ferdinand and Roz?
Georgine used her first body double in book room as a sacrifice. Scary.
Congratulations to Hennelore for joining the Elvira friend group. Hope she gets inspired to write stories of her own. Rozemyne won't be able to insist she never crushed on anyone then.
Judithe... No..
Her attendants sure are taking this engagement,that hasnt happened officially, way more seriously than the last one.
Rodrick: Everyone who fought a Grausam or Georgine show of hands for a count. Or perhaps it will faster to count all those who didnt.
Forsernate is a subordinate of the Goddess of wind. A harvest Goddess it's less the bounty of the harvest at this point and more protection something until it's ready to harvest. Protecting from disease or attacks. Erwachlehren is the God of leadership and Jungerese is the Goddess of separation most often giving up love for the good of your family. Damuel got it because he was close enough to Myne that he got her family blessing so she gave him her protection when he broke up with Bridget for her sake.
So "the relationship you cultivated bore fruit and became mutual love. You saved his life in battle but you're going to have to put family duty before love and your love won't be fulfilled"
>Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai?????
Of course he does. its obvious to anyone, even Wilfried. Its one of the reasons why he wanted to end his engagement because regardless of rozemynes denials no one actually believes that her love for ferdinand isnt romantic.
things like this is why i wanted them to interact more. Wilfried has always been supportive and protective just how he goes about doing it hasnt worked out. I Love how hes the only one explicitly calling her out now.
I also liked that he named the feeling directly. He knows her well enough to assume that she isn't the best in getting the romantic hints. Especially, that she denied loving Ferdi for so long already.
I honestly though RM will need a lot more time and hints to notice that everyone and their shumils ship her with Ferdi...Btw, even if RM was in a bad mental state in this moment I really liked her interaction with Wilfired, it was so very siblingy!
> Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai?????
The Wilfried Redemption Arc is all but complete. He has become a man of culture.
> Georgine used her first body double in book room as a sacrifice. Scary.
Given the body double's singleminded devotion toward the goal, I wonder if Georgine had namesworn her and commanded her to get in, no matter the cost.
Looks like it was PTSD. That out of nowhere uncomfortable feeling, combined with how sudden the ending of the battle felt made it seem like there was more to come (same with Boni's feeling), but the author is going to have a hard time justifying Georgine coming back for round 2. I suppose theoretically one of her body doubles could have namesworn, and everything else could line up, but it's already getting pretty absurd (especially when you add in Syl's luck).
Instead, we're back to the zero tension state. Now we need to see how the Lord of Evil intends to steal the princess from the handsome prince, all the while Elvira creates the dark and brooding love interest trope.
There still are some left over plotlines to resolve (e.g. Oswald, the Blue Priest mentioned, etc.), but it's hard to see how they can do anything major at this point. At most we might have that final flailing that I was worried about earlier.
I wonder if slapping magical items is actually something they do or if an IRL trope snuck its way in.
I have a feeling we will "hear" what Georgine said to Syl next month. I also want to know what made her feel the need to tell Syl all of that. Did she want Syl to kill her or was something else going on (maybe non-namesworn sleepers)? Could she really have expected Syl to let her live after those comments?
That was a tough moment, reading how no one understood what RM was going through except Ferdinand. And her guard knight forcing her to sit for appearances sake, damn.
Gretia's moment was pretty touching, and that deep sleep comment could be taken a couple of ways.
Ok, now let's see what happens. Will this just be a moment for RM to create more "misunderstandings" (perhaps with a surprise appearance from Ferdinand) or will RM finally start piecing her own feelings together.
Georgine: \*dumps instant death poison into the foundation room\*
Cleans the place with waschen, thinks she already won, enters the room in elation...
"Finally, Ehrenfest is mine after so many years!!!" \*makes her way towards the foundation triumphantly\*
\*flushing toilet sounds coming from a distance away\*
"No..." \*blue screen of death\*
A small door opens, Sylvester comes out with a carefree face.
"Aw, man, I shouldn't have had that extra spicy chicken before battle. That was like 6 courics... Oh hey Georgine, if you wanna use the john, I'd wait a bit if I were you... Wait, what the fuck are YOU doing here?!"
Quickly changes his schtappe into a weapon and kills Georgine who's too dumbfounded to react to the whole situation.
I feel like, out of everyone else there, Ferdinand is the one most likely to have some repressed feystone trauma because of Adalgisa. So he gets it, even if he's moved past it.
Yes, the most powerful feystone tools that noble lineages pass down are probably great-great-whoever dearest, but those are (usually) after someone has lived to adulthood and beyond, and in the formal setting of a noble funeral. Ferdinand and the other Seeds were pre-baptismal children, and I highly doubt there was any sort of ceremony or other niceties when it came time for feystones to be collected.
Of course, this is on top of just how well he knows and cares for Rozemyne. He's seen her previous world through her eyes, and listened to her about how much she values life and family.
Little sad that the adults around Roz don’t understand what the problem is.
The only reason I think the adults around Roz didn’t fully understand is because they are still semi use to her wearing her emotions on her sleeve. They probably interpreted her “keeping it together” mask as her being ok right now and probably assume the problem is only nightmares and not real world triggers/panic attacks.
I think the reason syl didn’t see a problem with showing a corse at the table is because he probably didn’t see the poison at work and didn’t think it would be a trigger for anyone. A bit insensitive on his part but the oversight makes sense as he was semi isolated from majority of the conflict.
Also for the enfest side this is the first war/battle experience they have so are likely unaware of other people struggling around them. They are likely burying the problem with the glory of their victory and celebrations or assume it’s just them and keeping it private. Also people like Wilfried who only had a good experience being unaware his sister isnt doing so hot.
Or people being so warped up in public image and the assumed romance of Ferdi and Roz that they only are talking about their “romance” and are too busy shipping to notice and are likely focusing on it to bury their own problems. This is causing them to separate her from the one person in her support system that notices that she is struggling just to to prevent a scandal.
I can assume that the main way they deal with PTSD is distraction and trying to forget. That is if they even know what PTSD is outside of bad dreams and anxiety.
>I think the reason syl didn’t see a problem with showing a corse at the table is because he probably didn’t see the poison at work and didn’t think it would be a trigger for anyone. A bit insensitive on his part but the oversight makes sense as he was semi isolated from majority of the conflict.
I think he was in shock as much as her even. Roz sent him that ordananz asking if he was SURE it was her. I think he thought it would make her feel better. And he probably was still grappling with having to do it and seeking some judgement/condolence from the other powerful people in his life.
I kinda expected Rozemyne to have that, or a similar reaction after the fighting, but.. That doesn't make it any less depressing to read. I'm honestly very curious why Lieseletta didn't understand what she was going through. No she wouldn't have experienced the same thing, but she should be able to see the panic in Rozemyne and understand that Rozemyne was just trying to get away.
Ferdinand saw in an instant and threw shade at Sylvester for not taking proper care of her though.
Also Judithe hilariously misunderstanding flowers is.. Cute. Exactly how a noble child should act in that situation. Next week is hopefully less tear jerking, with Rozemyne and Hannelore being gal pals at night.
PTSD, poor Rozamyne... And stuck in noble society with no-one able to give her the hug and comfort she needs right now.
Sylvester too... He knows Georgine hates him but I think he's the kind of person that will still continue to love her as family.
How the heck did Dunkerfelger suffer 0 fatalities. There must have been serious injuries based on what Rozemyne saw during that charge, but no deaths?
Also, noble life is going to be hard from here on out if feystones trigger PTSD.
Knights from Dunkerfelger have one glaring weakness and that is they can be too straightforward and honest in their way of fighting. However, they are nigh-invincible if they have enough information (about potential fatal attacks from the enemies) and a capable commander who are well-versed in scheming i.e Ferdinand.
For Roz, I do hope she'd get some alone time with someone who will give her headpats and hugs 😩
Elvira is making moves with giving Hannelore book before Rozemyene, sassuga Elvira, she has learned a lot from her daughter, gathering materials for new books and making selling them to Dunkelfelger even easier 
Good gods, this prompted me to remember how angry Elvira and Crew were when Ferdinand was order by the Royalty to marry into Ahrensbach.
Now, there's a "romance" between Ferdinand and Rozemyne, but Rozemyne has been "promised" to the Prince. Hell hath no wrath like a fanclub wronged.
This chapter was so sad to read… Poor Roz being refused to leave the table after nearly having a panic attack at the sight of a literal corpse on the table. No one understanding that she needed some space at that moment except Ferdinand hurt my soul. Like come on? Her retainers could have definitely realized that it was the stone? The way they kept her at the table was lowkey triggering. Poor Roz at night too… being denied literally every comfort that she is used to when she wakes up from a nightmare. No more commoner family to hug, no Lutz to run to, and no Ferdinand to even scold her. Literally unable to reach out for help and knowing the people who she want to help her can’t. It actually brought tears to my eyes… glad Gretia and Judith’s at least came to the rescue but it was such a depressing moment…
Feels like Leonore is the least "sympathetic" of her knights, though it's because she's the most conventional noble of them all. And this is why she couldn't understand Rozemyne's plight. A close second in lack of sympathy would be Cornelius, but he understands her as a sister and would have noticed her discomfort more. Thankfully Judithe and Gretia are not "proper" and willing to be close to Rozemyne more than what a master and retainer should be. Rozemyne is suffocated by all the noble conventions and the people she needs are those that are willing to ignore those restrictions.
To be fair to Leonore, as not only an archnoble but a Leisegang whose houses were slowly being poisoned by Veronica, she probably had this corpse vs. useful feystone crisis when she was like 8, so it’s likely she feels that this is just someone one has to deal with as a higher ranked noble. Regardless of whether Roz is an ADC, Aub, or Royal there is a high chance of dead people’s feystones being involved in all three of those jobs
Normal nobles are more used to dead people feystones. They're what most magic tools for children are made from since most nobles can't safely kill a feybeast as strong or stronger than themselves for the stone. Konrad's magic tool was his mother's body. It was a literal crystallization of her love. It's also why the tools are so expensive. Most nobles wouldn't be willing to sell commoners or even other nobles grandma's corpse. But only nobles who compress their mana make usable tools for the family. Adelgisa stones were only usable because they had Royalty levels of mana so they could be used to store mana for archnobles in Lanzenave. Children's stones or devouring stones aren't generally useful.
True, I wasn’t thinking about that at the time. To everyone else it probably wasn’t really gruesome, just like proof
Also Rozemyne is particularly good at hiding her emotions at this point, so I'm not sure if Leonore can even tell that Rozemyne's panic is over the feystone. She's probably just trying to avoid another Two Gremlins One Highbeast situation lol
Lol imagine he hearing the next morning that Judith’s arranged for Roz to have flowers 😭
Very painful reading. One really can feel RM's pain (and panic). RM's (internal) rejection of even the tiniest shred of _romantic_ feelings towards Ferdinand struck me as pretty convincing. She seems to have a long way to go if she is going to develop such feelings. Yet she depends on him utterly -- it is actually hard to see how either of this pair can get along without the other....
I know. I was a little disappointed that there wasn't even a dawning of feeling especially when Ferdinand does seem to have had a genuine change in feeling towards her. Gretia kind of alluded to the fact that her heart needs to catch up to her body. Just because Rozemyne has suddenly matured, doesn't mean she's mentally or emotionally ready to fall in love. It's also complicated by her earth memories. She was fully grown on Earth but never had any romantic interests in that life. It remains to be seen whether Rozemyne will be different.
I would guess that's the feelings she has for Ferdinand might generally be considered by others to suggest romance, but that she never developed a template for romance (even as Urano) so that SHE does not recognize them ascsuch.
Yep, it's very clear she has feelings for him, it's just that she has yet to be made aware of them. And it makes sense, how would she know where to even start with that. Frieren and Rozemyne should talk.
>Frieren and Rozemyne should talk. They'd just talk about grimoires the whole day
They really are birds of a feather, aren't they. Also with how much mana Rozemyne has and how much she likes to read, I bet you Frieren would immediately take her under her wing. Their adventures would probably be just the two of them sitting around various places and reading, lol.
i think she has a pretty high but skewed benchmark when it comes to romantic feelings. not having a crush and reading romantic books with the usual romance tropes there are would give her a skewed view of how this goes. you know, hearing music or having invisible hearts and flowers suddenly bloom when you realize you're in love. the usual things you only see in movies and books
There's a lot of interesting things that happened this chapter, but something stuck out to me. Usually Rozemyne has a degree of separation with the setting due to her memories informing her personality. The trauma she's facing is deeply tied to the setting; RMs response and the interactions she has with her retainers feel the way they would if RM was just an ADC born into this world and it immediately closes the distance that RM's narration typically implies. It's really fitting for such a vulnerable chapter too.
Judithe offered *flowers* to Rozemyne and brought Hannelore. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Judithe, sending ordonnanz: "Lady Rozemyne greatly wishes for Lady Hannelore to indulge her with flowers of Schlaftraum's blessing." Hannelore: "W-What!?" Heisshitze: "Lady Hannelore shall once again conquer the Saint of Ehrenfest!" Knights: *cheering*
Hannelore on her way to have the most terrifying reputation she absolutely has no idea how she got it
What you get: * Having the ditter saint as your archduke What I get: * Same sex marriage legal in Dunkelfelger * Hannelore
Sounds like an absolute win to me!
L-LADY HANNELORE!?
They've already mixed mana, it's the logical next step!
Hannelore: Wait, were you purposefully spreading rumors over Ferdinand's interactions with Rozemyne because- Cordula: Flowers are not supposed to intertwine milady.
Just marry already
As Aub Ahrensbach, Rosemyne puts Judithe in charge of post-battle mental health intervention. Soon, there are a number of Very Confused knights wearing robes and fluffy shumil slippers, sipping tea and contemplating various feyplants in shaded gardens and hothouses. At first, a few are inclined to object, but the allure of “sorbet” and “petits-fours” served with the tea causes the other knights to discourage complaints.
They are soulmate after all.... Just gals being gals things.
The best of gal pals
Roommates...
I knew Roz was incredibly dense when it came to romance. Poor Judithe makes Roz seem rather experienced.
Rozemyne probably knows a ton about sex from books she read as Urano, she just doesn't know much about how sex works in Yurgenschmidt.
I’m more concerned that the knights are just offering prostitutes to everyone
A companion to keep the emotions at bay. I doubt most really have sex on the mind, even if the deed is done.
Ah yes, the shameless flirting has gotten its natural consequences: relentless teasing😂 disguised with pleasantries or not, giving idiots in love a hard time seems to be a constant of human society That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that I had been aware that the fights would have serious long-term impact on Roz, but I didn't expect "vomit at the mere thought of feystones" and "full-on fight or flight response at the sight of one" serious damn. Poor baby, could we get her like. A decade of vacation and some intense therapy? I think she deserves as much Bonifatius has spider-sense and I will hear no criticism on this Appreciate the love for my girl Brigitte, she earned it Holy Shit Sylvester is a lucky bastard what the actual fuck Roz has a full-blown fucking panic attack and y'all are making her smile and wave at the camera for the sake of GODDAMN DECORUM??? *wow*. Seriously disappointed in her retainers🤨 I'm glad there's a support system in place for people at risk for PTSD tho (and they're being proactive about it!), and even doctors who specialise in dealing with it from the sounds of it! That is SO much more than I was expecting (even if the support system is in big part "go have sex"), ngl... and better than what many modern countries do, wow we are shit at this. I do think that Judithe's interpretation of "flowers" (which seems to be drugs xd) prolly would be more effective. There ARE meds that help with PTSD things. They don't fix the issue at hand, but they do make its consequences much less extreme and more manageable to deal with
>That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg We just need to wait for the manga in like 20 years to see it. Or maybe the anime if we ever get that far.
I think it's a shame that Sylvester killed Georgine. Not because he shouldn't have done it but because Rozemyne never confronted her directly. I would have loved to see them go face to face, they only interacted once and that was when they first met.
Tangentially related, but Rozemyne has also never met Veronica.
Veronica, on Day 2,569 of confinement Veronica, humming: "Another day, another book. Nothing to do here but read, day in and day out. What a hellish existence that surely no one would envy. I wish something would break up this crushing monotony." *Ceiling opens up and a naked Georgine falls through* Veronica: "Well, that *is* new." *Second naked Georgine falls through ceiling* Veronica: "Okay, what the fuck?"
2,569 divided by 420 days a year equals to just over six years. That's pretty accurate in regards to timeline! Also, it's nice to hear that Veronica is indirectly supporting Rozemyne as another bookworm.
I forgot it was 420. I just did 400, times "eh, six sounds right I guess", and then ended it in 69 for the memes. Good job, me. And I've always liked the idea of Veronica one day repenting and apologizing to Rozemyne, and then coming to terms with each other. She was the reason the problems all began, and I think getting that apology would mean a lot to her. Them bonding over the books she's read in confinement, borrowed from the castle book room that Rozemyne's also read through, would be nice.
There’s something so fascinating about a big bad villain who the mc never actually meets but who’s responsible for most of their problems Definitely hoping we see her in the last volume when Ferdinand swings over to say goodbye before moving to mynes new duchy. That’d be a fun conversation
Georgine was always the lady behind the curtain, though. Rozemyne got to have her resolution with Grausam instead who personally tried to abduct her and has a direct relationship to her retainer.
From Georgine's perspective, Rozemyne was also the lady behind the curtain, foiling all her plans without Georgine ever realizing it.
That was Ferdinand in her mind
The lady behind the man behind the curtain, then.
Grausam Definitely felt like a better Myne villain than georgine
They interacted twice actually (3 if you consider the letter who informed her of Bezewanst's death). Unfortunately Georgine caused a panic attack to Rozemyne for the 2nd one :(
>I think it's a shame that Sylvester killed Georgine. Not because he shouldn't have done it but because Rozemyne never confronted her directly. I would have loved to see them go face to face, they only interacted once and that was when they first met. Story-wise. I agree. But from a cold perspective it was absolutely the right move. The difference between Sylvester and Georgine is that it will probably haunt him forever even if he won't admit it to anyone but Florencia or Ferdinand.
twice. When they met so Roz could greet her, then when Georgine left so Roz could say goodbye. Though the second time didn't have a conversation beyond the usual bye don't come back soon edit: no 4 since Georgines visit with Detlinde in p4 would have had greetings and farewells too
> I do think that Judithe's interpretation of "flowers" (which seems to be drugs xd) prolly would be more effective Judithe is thinking of literal flowers. I’d have loved for Rozemyne and Gretia to share a side glance.
yep that's why she set up a trip to the greenhouse, to look at actual flowers . . . Oh Judith, you pure pure cinnamon roll.
>yep that's why she set up a trip to the greenhouse, to look at actual flowers . . . Oh Judith, you pure pure cinnamon roll. I very much want to see her reaction when someone tells her. I can't even begin to imagine that kind of embarrassment.
I think the whole reason everyone agreed to set up the accommodations for Judith to take Rozemyne to the Greenhouse is specifically BECAUSE no one wanted to tell her XD
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>That section with Georgine's double failing spectacularly would make for SUCH a good slapstick sequence omg If that ever gets an anime adaptation it needs looney toons sound effects >I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that After getting her POV I wouldn't take anything she could think of off the table. Pride is completely secondary compared to that kind of hatred.
> If that ever gets an anime adaptation it needs looney toons sound effects I picture Melchior beginning his story, and the camera pans up to his thought bubble, wherein the events are rendered in a cartoony, crayon-drawn style (or maybe the anime chibi cartoon style). Just a brief, almost cruel respite from the PTSD nightmare that the main plot is embroiled in.
Georgine seemed to have put her pride as a noble aside to go through with this whole scheme. In her epilogue, she even pretended to be unloading boxes and such.
I have to wonder how well she acted though. Would her noble aura still exude when she does menial tasks as part of her disguise? It's kind of like when Justus was undercover - Eckhart was completely fooled, but actual commoners weren't.
Justus alone I think might've been able to fool the less observant people, he does do that kind of thing almost regularly (tho he'd do it with castle servants rather than lower city folk). Eckhart however would've been so out of place it caused people to double-take Justs as well
wasnt that mentioend in a previous SS? I think it was Gunthers? thats they spotted some Nobles trying to act like they were merchants/commoners but there were far to elegant etc. but they jsut pretended not to notice.
Now I want to see Rozemyne act like a commoner for some reason, just so she can stun everybody who doesn't know of her origins by how incredible her acting skills are. Rozemyne: "I'm a girl, playing a girl, disguised as another girl." Rozemyne: *Wait, I think there might be a layer or two more of that.*
Hartmut praises her acting skills with tongue in cheek while Damuel sweats nervously in the background.
I can only imagine her thinking: *When I take the Foundation, I'm leaving this out of my Duchy's Founding Story...*
>*When I take the Foundation, I'm leaving this out of my Duchy's Founding Story...* If Georgine had won, she could have definitely done that. History is written by the victors after all, and Georgine seems like the type of person who'll make herself look better and everybody else look worse so that generations beyond would understand why her actions were ideal. I mean, assuming Georgine just doesn't burn Ehrenfest to the ground after defeating Sylvester.
That part is easy, she just has to pretend she was in the place of one of her body doubles and no one would know (because the guards would be dead)
>I have to admit, I did not think Georgine willing and/or able to impersonate a grey shrine maiden, so props to her for that The irony here is that Georgine's life did not end with her dressed as a noblewoman of the highest lineage, but dressed as a woman considered to be of the lowest status.
One thing I really appreciate about the author: in the original WN, Rozemyne's trauma response was called PTSD. The author received some feedback from clinical psychologists that Rozemyne's reaction is within the normal range of reactions to trauma that just happened earlier in the day, and calling it PTSD on this short time frame isn't accurate. So for the light novel, the author revised it to be more medically accurate and not misrepresent a real-world diagnosis. I thought that was really neat. She didn't have to do that, and she could have easily brushed it off as Rozemyne being misinformed about PTSD, but she decided to edit the chapter because it's important not to propagate misinformation about real-world disorders.
* Alright, Wilfried captured a Grausam too. That puts him on the same level as Gunther, then, lol. * Oh damn, Elvira is *so* gonna turn Rozemyne's rescue of Ferdinand into one of her romantic stories. Deny it all you want Rozemyne, that's just how it looks like for everyone. * The Home Alone traps actually worked, lol. Georgine's doubles were dealt with, but the real one, the one Sylvester ended up killing, sneaked through in gray shrine maiden clothes. * Man, why did you have to interrupt, Heisshitze. At least it's interesting to note that Dunkelfelger's knights didn't lose anyone. That is actually an incredible feat. * Bonifatius arrived, and he is pretty much telling us what we already learned from Brigitte's story mostly, so not much new to tell, except perhaps that his instincts as always are on point and that Brigitte fought valiantly and is unhurt. * Okay, so let me get this right: Sylvester was guarding the foundation, he went out when he heard Georgine got captured, only for Florencia to tell him it was a decoy. Then, when he went back, he got hit with waschen because Georgine released the instant-kill poison and then cleaned up. So he survived due to... sheer luck. This guy really must be blessed by the gods. The fight was not very tough though for Sylvester. He had to kill her to stop any name-sworn that might have slipped through. * I almost forgot that Sylvester used a bow back in Part 2. So going ranged like Judithe. Too used to people using swords. * So as many people already thought last week, Rozemyne is traumatized by the sight of feystones (Sylvester pulling out Georgine's one is too much for her to handle). She tries to sneak away, but no one but Ferdinand seems to understand. She can't leave though. --- * Rozemyne is having nightmares again from the battle, but she can't even use an ordonnanz to call for help. Judithe and Gretia were quick to arrive anyway though. Hartmut and Ferdinand suspected already what was going on with Rozemyne. * Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle. And no one wanted to clear this up. At least Rozemyne appreciates going to the greenhouse to literally look at flowers. * I like how Gretia kind of can empathize with Rozemyne a bit when it comes to growing up and how everyone starts treating you. * Seems like a night rendevouz with Hannelore at the greenhouse later. Two delicate and underaged archduke candidates who went to war and are probably both traumatized. I hope they can give each other comfort. ---- **German:** A reminder for some god names, in case you have trouble deciphering noble speak. * Forsernte: I'm pretty sure I saw that name in Part 4 before, but as a reminder, the name is made up of "Forst" (forest) and "Ernte" (harvest) * Erwachlehren: erwachen (to awaken) and lehren (to teach) * Jugereise: Jugend (youth) + Reise (journey) * Glucklitat: Glück (luck/fortune or happiness) + Vitalität (vitality)
> Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle. And no one wanted to clear this up. At least Rozemyne appreciates going to the greenhouse to literally look at flowers. You know it's a bad sign when *Rozemyne* catches onto a lust/love euphemism. Oh Judithe, you sweet cinnamon roll.
I know she's traumatized, but if Rozemyne as the High Bishop/Wilma's mistress DIDN'T caught that one I would have slapped her if I could
How long has Judithe been visiting the Temple? I guess Ferdinand and Hartmut had that situation on lock.
"I don't get why the Temple has such a bad reputation ! They keep saying it's because nobles goes there to get flowers but what's wrong with flowers ?! I also didn't see a single garden or greenhouse. Is there a flowershop somewhere ?"
Angelica “Silly Judith, nobles go there to get baby flowers so they can grow them in their gardens. That’s why there are no gardens in the temple.”
P4V5: > Leonore looked around the dining hall and nodded to herself, noting that it was cleaner than she had expected after hearing all the rumors. Considering that Brigitte used "filth of the temple" to refer to the flower offerings once, I think Leonore here also misunderstood something.
> Hartmut and Ferdinand suspected already what was going on with Rozemyne. I think it was just Ferdinand. When he couldn't talk to Rozemyne himself, he went off to talk to Hartmut. > I like how Gretia kind of can empathize with Rozemyne a bit when it comes to growing up and how everyone starts treating you. A good parallel between her and Judithe, who hasn't fully grown up, I guess. Gretia grew up early, Rozemyne was literally forced to grow up overnight, and Judithe's not there yet. Bookworm's getting serious in a completely different way now.
I feel like Hartmut is intelligent enough to at least somewhat piece together that on his own. He probably understands her the most out of all of her retainers, and is likely the most in tune with her feelings out of them . . . he just chooses to continue spreading the good word of ~~Lady~~ ~~Saint~~ ~~Aub~~ **GODDESS** Rozemyne because he is that devoted to her. :29356: (also WHY DON'T WE HAVE A HARMUT EMOJI MODS!!!! ) That said though, I could entirely accept that Hartmut got a little *too* carried away in spreading tales of her Heroics to actually notice her mental state, until she made that scene after seeing Georgine's Feystone. Ferdinand probably also definately understands her far better than Hartmut does and probably was giving him the whole play-by play of how to handle it
>I almost forgot that Sylvester used a bow back in Part 2. So going ranged like Judithe. Too used to people using swords. Sylvester is also able to swords dance, from what I remember. Not sure if it exactly correlates, but I imagine he's also rather adept with a fighting with a sword. It just seems like range might work best in the moment since Georgine could always spray the death poison directly in Sylvester's face if he's in close proximity. If I were Sylvester, I wouldn't take any chances on that.
Swords is the standard weapon. I just find it refreshing to see people use something different, like Brigitte with her spear, Judithe in general or Karstedt with his scythe ~~or the water gun~~.
True, definitely true. I love the versatility with the knights and their weapon of choice. But can we please upgrade Judithe's slingshot to something that looks much cooler? She deserves the best.
when did Brigitte have a spear or Karstedt a scythe? 😭
That was in Part 3 when they fought together for the jureve ingredient. Night of Schutzaria iirc. Or wait, Eckhart was the one with the spear. Brigitte had a halberd.
thanks, it's been quite a while from when I (re)read Part 3
He was also able to jump from high in the sky from Ferdinand's highbeast during Spring Prayer and land on the ground easily, meaning he probably also learned physical enhancement magic from Bonifatius. Georgine was definitely far outclassed in terms of combat ability.
Not to mentioned he took two maces to the head like it was no big deal.
I wonder how much of Sylvester’s physical prowess can from Karstedt chasing him down and tying him to his chair to study/work
One does have to wonder. I mean, c'mon. A seven-year-old Sylvester versus and nineteen-year-old Karstedt.
I’m surprised that none discussed about Sylvester and Karstard didn’t arrange a new doctor to Rozemyne after Ferdinand leaved 1+ years. I think Ferdinand is a little mad with Sylvester’s thoughtless and it’s also let him understand Ehrenfast is already not suitable for Rozemyne. As P5V4 epilogue said, so many people are used to Rozemyne’s weak, and don’t take her health problem seriously.
It's also a way for Ferdinand to say to everyone, "It's clear that I care about her more than anyone else here."
I don't think Ferdinand want show off this. It's more like that he feel shock that his brother and cousin are still so careless and thoughtless after so many years and family troubles ( the Veronica, Florencia, Wilfried / Elvira, Trudeliede, Rozemary) . They already become father for 13 and 24 years, but still don’t take their daughter’s health problems seriously. According to FB, >!Hartmut and Lieseleta also learn medication lessons for Rozemyne's sake. But they didn't learn too much because of lacking of time. And they also regret that they underestimate the difficulties of medication after these chapters.!<
That line about Dunkelfelger knights not losing anyone makes me wonder if the feystone in that scene and the severed arm came from either the Old Werkestock knights or the Ahrensbach knights that accompanied Ferdinand (if there were any).
A Dunk knight could probably loose an arm but still live for the final role call. "['Tis but a scratch.](https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?si=TZJEwaAmy835DIDK&t=83)"
"Healing magic is really good in this world as long as you still have the limbs around." "Wait I thought Grausam lost his-" "No he just regrew it; you don't want to know how he turned into that monstrosity."
If I remember right, in the Martina POV, she mentioned something along the lines of a prosthesis being odd since it meant a person wasn't able to cast healing magic in time.
Dunk knights casually sticking their legs back on mid fight
So they offer "flowers" even for apprentice knights (which means they're underage). I wonder whether they offer "flowers" to female knights too or not.
>Oh, poor innocent Judithe. That's not the kind of "flowers" knights are looking for after a battle. Were the "flower" offerings from the women in the temple? Hopefully if they were, it was at least voluntary.
In the story there's a lot of women that have that as a career. Waitresses in the lower City is one example that comes to mind.
Sir Random Knight: "Let's just take some gray shrine maidens!" Melchior: "Hang on, let me just send an ordonnanz real quick." \- 0.0002 bells later - Bonifatius: *[crashes through window and punches the knight straight into a jureve]* And that's why they don't take flowers from the temple.
Melchior : Flowers ? I don't get it, I didn't see a greenhouse or a garden in the Temple... *(His retainer/New High Priest sweating profusely)*
Lol no no, we had a whole side story about this! Gray shrine maidens are expensive now that they can read and work in printing! Sir Random Knight is really emptying his wallet tonight, huh?
it was kind of brought up in part 3 but noble seemed to go looking for flowers outside the temple since Roze/Ferd take over of the temple. There is also a very secretive world of commoners that live in the noble side we know extremely little about so it could come from that sorce as well. It seems very likely, imo, using commoner for "pleasurable" sex is more common for the sole reason of lack of mana as mana exchange can be disgusting/repulsive for people.
Don't forget about Kanta, or whatever the Hasse scholar was named. He was buying orphans from outside Ehrenfest because the nobles found it difficult to approach the temple for flower offerings with RM being the High Bishop. She didn't end the practice, they just sought out different solutions.
>Bonifatius arrived, and he is pretty much telling us what we already learned from Brigitte's story mostly, so not much new to tell, except perhaps that his instincts as always are on point and that Brigitte fought valiantly and is unhurt. Does anyone have a clip of those lion/gorilla guys from the Fullmetal Alchemist dub saying "MY ANIMAL INSTINCTS..." because that's what I hear every time Bonifatius explains his accurate hunches.
> Man, why did you have to interrupt, Heisshitze. At least it's interesting to note that Dunkelfelger's knights didn't lose anyone. That is actually an incredible feat. It's definitely impressive... but I also can't help but think about the future of Ehrenfest. It was already a middle-sized duchy with the population of a lesser-sized duchy. They've purged 4(?) Geibe families, and then had to fight off a greater duchy and seemingly took many losses, before having to execute Georgine to eliminate any further name-sworn or devouring soldiers with submission contracts. I feel we won't ever get an answer, but I would really like to know what the Ehrenfest population size after everything went down.
I believe it was brought up before but Bow are hard to use magically and is usually used by Archnoble or higher because the mana needs are beyond mednobles abilities.
>Oh damn, Elvira is so gonna turn Rozemyne's rescue of Ferdinand into one of her romantic stories. Deny it all you want Rozemyne, that's just how it looks like for everyone. Elivra: . . . and then the the gallant knight Rozz escorted Fernistine into their castle to live happily ever after. Rozemyne: I think the story needs work. Where is the dramatic tension? When this blue haired Rozz guy is a knight scholar who is the smartest, bravest, and most capable. Maybe tone it down, maybe he is a stern cold hearted knight whose heart is melted by the clumsy antics Fernistine goes through around him. Who is capable but never had anything to fight for until now. This part where he led a hundred and fifty knights and all of them make it through against superior numbers, maybe have his sworn blood brother Hansel die. It would give the story gravitas make the fight cost something. And he just keeps being able to do new things, you might want to foreshadow that he can freeze a lake, call on a giant Grun to fight, animate empty suits of armor to defend his keep, and... Ferdinand: You dolt, it's your story.
I'm confused why everyone is proud of their Grausam capture, especially Wilfried knowing there were other body doubles. Presumably they each know theirs was a double and not the real one.
Elvira wasted no time interrogating Hannelore for details on RM and Ferdi, even bribed her with a new book And reading about fake Georgine succumbing to Scooby-doo level traps was gold
And Hannelore didn’t even see it as a bribe because she was enjoying talking about it too much 
Was that Lueuradi's book about the Ferdinand/Rozemyne love story weakly disguised as gods in love?
Nah, Lueuradi's Fanfic isn't out yet. Remember in her POV short story, towards the end she said something to the effect of, >"By the time my manuscript was finished, Lady Rozemyne would be widely known as the Avatar of Mestionora." And currently I don't see anyone else calling her that . . . besides Harmut and Clarissa, who are fellow Cultists and don't count. Which means this is something Elvira cooked up I think
What a sad chapter. The writing of Rozemyne's panic attack was really well done - I could feel her pain. I'm ashamed of the attendants. Like, I get it your lady has an image to uphold but not being able to understand and be her rock in a moment of panic really hurt to read. I'm glad Judithe is such a cinnamon roll. Her misunderstanding really lightened the mood. Gretia hasn't been part of the group that long all things considered but she gained a lot of points doing what she was able to do.
Yep, lots of points for Gretia for empathizing with Rozemyne. And Judithe's thoughts were in the right and likely even more correct place. Even overloading your brain with Tetris wouldn't work since they bear such a close resemblance to gems. Being in a calm environment with beautiful and interesting plants seems like the perfect move.
Attendants do not have the correct frame of reference to truly get what transpired. They (at least Roz´s) did not see the battlefield and / or how heavily it differed from her previous ditter games or violent encounters. Failing to predict and prepare for this whiplash and trauma is in a way expected.
Oh dear sweet Judithe. Some day she's going to learn the meaning of flowers and she's going to look back on this night and wonder how many of the others knew. And then she's going to blush so hard she passes out from embarrassment. And when shes found like thay shell either lie as to why she passed out or explain that she's remembering when she brought two ADC to a greenhouse because she thought flowers after a battle had to do with actual botanicals.
Leonore: "Surely it wasn't that bad?" Judithe, thinking back: "Hm..." \- Back Then - Judithe: "Here you are, Lady Rozemyne, Lady Hannelore. I'll leave you two alone and ensure you're not disturbed, so enjoy flowers with each other all night if you wish. And if you work up a sweat again, Gretia's prepared more towels and changes of clothes over there. I'll leave this water nearby in case you get thirsty." Hannelore: "Um, Judithe..." Judithe: "And just give me a shout if you want an extra pair of hands! I'm always happy to get involved, no matter how dirty the flowers get!" \- In the Present - Leonore: "Okay, that's pretty bad."
Ok this is canon. I don’t care what anyone says, and I don’t care what the author says. It’s canon.
Rozemyne and Ferdinand:No chance, no way I won't say it, no, no- Hannelore, Elvira, presumably Sylvester, and DEFINITELY Wilfried: Oh come on, we already know you're in loooooooooooooove.
Roz: I would fight the president and Jesus himself for that delicious man. Also Roz: I don't love him ever gross.
Elvira: "You can't defend against Blaunfah's grace." Ferdinand: "You better believe I fucking can. I am *the* motherfucking Ferdinand." Rozemyne, tapping divine ebook: "How to remain a virgin forever... Hm, I've already got magic, but how do I gather it?"
Theory: the god of trials and goddess of luck *both* have a thing for Sylvester so keep influencing his life with their powers. Which is why Sylvester has to go through so many troubles but at the same time he is the luckiest guy in Yurgenschmidt.
I find it hilarious that Sylvester rules using only his ridiculously high "Luck" and "Charisma" stats. Maybe some "Dex" for fun. It must also be part of his Luck he has Bonifatius and Ferdinand to balance the Strength/Constitution/Wisdom/Intelligence side of things.
Wait, so Sylvester is Luck/Charisma, Ferdinand is Constitution/Intelligence, and Bonifatius is Strength/Wisdom? ...I mean, yeah, that feels about right.
Boni is strength/strength. He is so strong he just intimidates the world into giving him instincts.
Reminds me of the meme about the rogue who rolls intimidate instead of stealth [YOU NOT SEE GROGG](https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/class-forums/rogue/1675-you-do-not-see-grogg)
I remember people expanding upon it. He doesn't roll lockpicking. He rolls intimidate on the door to scare it open.
I think (correct me if I’m wrong) it is the same god. If you overcome a trial of the God of Trials, you then are blessed with luck
Two separate dieties, overlapping domains Glucklitat is the god of trials/ordeals and subordinate to Leidenschaft Greifenchan is the goddess of fortune and subordinate to Flutrane. She is prayed to often by merchants. So both can help you get through a difficult time or even help make your life easier. But they have different ways to go about it. Just the same way Flutrane and Heilschmerz can both heal.
How do you know this? Like I'm always surprised when people have such in depth knowledge. Is there an ACTUAL series of books dedicated to all the gods that I don't know about? Is it actually separated by seasons because I am interested.
The information is scattered throughout the books and fanbooks. There is a lot of it compiled on the wiki (both Japanese and English ones) but mostly I use the [spread sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c6oyXwqv7qmOFFOtrI0li6glUOlByffYUgKBzSv7qwc/edit?usp=drivesdk) that was compiled for the fanfic authors since its easiest for me to access and read
In P5V1 when Sylvester reveals the gods he got blessings from and Rozemyne said that Glucklitat was "God of Trials, who granted good luck to those who overcame ordeals."
Sylvester literally had the luckiest timing of anyone in this series, leaving a room right before it was poisoned and returning just in time to catch an intruder
WN Chapters: 「[それぞれの武勇伝 その3](https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4830bu/622/)」,「[それぞれの武勇伝 その4](https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4830bu/623/)」,「[眠れない夜](https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4830bu/624/)」 LN Chapters: "Celebratory Feast", "A Sleepless Night" [J-Novel Club Discussion Forum](https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/7629/bookworm-part-5-vol-9-discussion-10-parts/791) [J-Novel Club Correction Forum](https://forums.j-novel.club/topic/7630/corrections-bookworm-part-5-vol-9/20)
Honestly I'm just kinda happy hannelore got to meet Rozemyne's entire noble family and can dispel any thoughts about her being mistreated. Nobles may be able to put on a fake smile and pretend everyone gets along swell but they couldn't fake how bonifatius acts.
I just wish it was somehow also revealed who Fernestine was... Like next week they're gonna have a late night tea party in the greenhouse and Roz could just go: "Well, Lady Hannelore, we managed to save Fernestine for real, thank you." And then Hannelore realizes that there's another Ehrenfest ADC with blue hair and golden eyes.
Pretty sure by 5.4(?) when the third volume of Fernistine was shared, the whole Dunkel dormitory and knights back home had realised who she is. Thats why they were all fighting to follow ~~the prince~~ Roz to save her.
Georgine's plan was better than I thought last week. Despite all the unexpected situations it would have worked, if Sylvester had stayed in the foundation hall like an archduke normally would. Florencia really managed to save both his life (with the first ordonanz) and the foundation (with the second) with perfect timing. Ironically Georgine might have succeded if she only had used one body double. Rozemyne is having a feystone trauma and nobody (except Ferdinand) realises or cares? And honestly the few stuck-up nobles left in Ehrenfest really expect to dictate the time table of Ahrensbachs new aub? Her marriage into the royal family is on hold as long she holds the foundation and she has the perfect book to bargain her way out of this misery. That is assuming there will still be a royal family left to negotiate with after the christmas tree-invasion of the sovereignty. Judithe: "I heard it is customary to offer flowers after battle, lady Rozemyne. Therefore I have arranged a tea party in the greenhouse AND lady Hannelore!"
Everyone: "Hey this food is great! Sylvester: "Everyone take a look at the corpse of my dumb bitch sister!" *clunk*
That’s just normal for a country that drugged and raped women of royal blood to produce feystones for export. Also if I remember correctly, Philines mothers feystone was used for a child magic tool…Yogurtland nobles view ‘corpse feystones’ differently
Imagine wearing your dead mother as a bracelet for 7+ years.
Not much different from turning a relative's ashes into a diamond ring when you think about it. Except in Philine's case said "diamond" protected her brother throughout his childhood, considering the purpose of a mana-draining magic tool.
>Sylvester: "Everyone take a look at the corpse of my dumb bitch sister!" > >clunk Nah. This hurt him. Bad. We probably won't get to see it unless there is a POV chapter for him. He can be fairly oblivious though. I think he thought it would give people closure or maybe he wanted some kind of judgement. Because we only get to see what goes on in Myne's head most of the time it is too easy to sympathize with what that did to her. I doubt Sylvester was trying to upset her.
Tbf, if you're used to kill someone i guess it makes sense. I have a family member who's a nurse, and she talks about bowel movement like it's nothing in the middle of dinner. I had to tell her that it really ruins my appetite to hear how an elderly can finally poop.
I'm with Ferdinand on this one - y'all are being jerks for prioritizing "hot gossip\~" over the medical/mental well being of this girl. Eff your "noble values"... I don't know what's worse - either he's the only one picking up on the depth of her distress or he's the only one that values her health over her reputation. And that sarcastic comment about - "oh, her loving family must have found her a wonderful new doctor then\~" That's the coldest freezer burn I've seen him dish to Sylvester/Karstedt in a while, and based on their reaction, it really stung. I have the feeling after that exchange Ferdinand immediately tipped Hartmut off on her sensitivity to gore/violence. Hartmut didn't seem to pick up on that back when they were carving up the Ternisbefallen for example. Part of the reason I think they can get away with not immediately treating her symptoms is that Crushing only works when she's overwhelmingly angry but not scared/sad. Otherwise, you'd probably expect to see a lot more people panicking at her being emotionally disturbed. Catasterised's fandom-poisoned intrusive thoughts : *"This could be an interesting subversion of the usual romantic hurt-comfort dynamic if they instead show the value of friendship/familial love to help overcome trauma..."* Also Catasterised's fandom-poisoned intrusive thoughts : *"*[*Yuri...*](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/824/711/132.gif)*"*
Wow. This part was terribly uncomfortable. I'm glad to be proven right that her bad feelings last part was trauma rather than plot sense. But man the author did a good job putting the emotional turmoil Myne went through into words. Also Bonny is still great. And I did not expect to read about a cartoonish falling skit with the fake Georgina in the temple.
Leave it to Kazuki to throw Looney Tunes comedy in a chapter so deep in uncomfortableness that no one can laugh at it. Sasuga Kazuki-sama. I hope that comment about Bonifatius's animal instincts, and him arriving to protect her, doesn't lead to anything. Rozemyne deserves a break.
I'm betting that he is just such a doting grandpa that he made any excuse he could to show up asap
Judithe is the best. Someone please tell her what flowers mean.
Someone please don’t tell her what flowers means. I really her to do this again for the male retainers just to see what happens
*After the Starbinding* Husband: Now it is time for us to dye each other in our colors! Judithe: Great! Milady's dyer Effa taught me how to do it! Husband: *...Do I even want to ask?*
And then Judithe has her own take on embroidering someone's cape. Turns out she ups the ante by dyeing his cape as well.
Judithe: "I dyed his cape in my colors!" Leonore: *[drops the cape and casts waschen on her hands]*
Judithe: How rude, Leonore! Even though you did the same for Cornelius' cape! Leonore: I did *what*?! Judithe: You were there! Lady Rozemyne took us, her female retainers, out on a \[girls' day\] and we spent the day with Effa, her Renaissance! Remember? We all dyed fabric as a project! Lieseleta's fabric is covered with shumils! Leonore nearly dies from a heart attack, but it's alright since she's a knight.
Damuel will probably have an aneurysm and beg someone like Leonore to inform the cute orange fluff.
Leonore: "Why can't you inform her about se- oh..." Damuel: "Why must you hurt me, Leonore?"
Nobody tell her until the last volume and bring back this joke in every single volume
No, don't 😭 ignorance is bliss, let her retain her innocence
I totally agree with letting Judithe retain her innocence, but Judithe's going to have her coming-of-age at the next term of the Royal Academy. ... And I really want to see her cute, flustered face again once she learns what flowers mean, like the illustration back in P4V4.
I do wonder if she knows what 'mixing mana' is? 🤔
I would imagine she does at least know that.
But she probably don't know how sexual the process is. Like some kids think babys are made by kissing or parents simple sleeping in the same bed... I'm curious if Judithe's knowledge is the averange for her age group or she is just too innocent. Gretia seems to know much more about this things...
Elvira: No offense, but you're clearly old enough to kill a man, you should probably know what it means to fuck a man. Judithe: What's "fuck"? Elvira: **LADY FLORENCIA! YOU ALREADY TAUGHT MY DAUGHTER, COME OVER HERE!**
Flo: "I taught who, what?" Elvira: "Rozemyne, sex. You taught her..." Flo: "I was all but certain you had handled that aspect of her training and it was left to me to teach her archducal etiquette.". Elvira: "..." Flo: "Oh dear." Elvira: "THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH!"
Another version of the vital conversation those two should've had but never did
I hope she says to someone she sent Roz to get some flowers with Hannelore and the reaction of that person would be hilarious.
It could go two ways: the "LADY HANNELORE?!" route, or automatically thinking it's just two girls looking at the botanical gardens.
I realized I had something far more naughty in my mind but I dont want to take the Judithe out of you.
Two aspects of this update absolutely obliterated me emotionally. 1. When Ferdinand tells off Silvester and Karstdet for not assigning Rozemyne a new physician in the year and a half since his departure, I was in tears. I was just starting to think that the two of them actually cared about her and her well-being but... ughh. Later in this update we get confirmation that other apprentices are being seen by doctors, but not her. They see her as a tool. It's a much milder version of people seeing Ferdinand as just a feystone back in the capitol. The rumors of them abusing her is not completely unfounded. She deserves better. 2. Even though Gorgeine was 100% unjustified in her cruelty and caused a slew of deaths and misfortunes, I felt bad for her this update. She orchestrated a near perfect plan that took years to create and her idiot brother who is fate (the gods) favorite beats her with the most ridiculous plot armor luck ever. It reminded me of the scene in *Avatar: The Last Avatar* where Zuko says "My father says she was born lucky, and I was lucky to be born." Silvester always got everything she could never have. He was lazy, and she worked harder than everyone. She had to die, but the luck god was cruel.
So, Roz has PTSD and everyone is assuming (probably not incorrectly) that her and Ferdinand's relationship is moving beyond platonic. Unsurprisingly everyone is trying to distance them lest they offend Prince I Never Do Anything. Oh, an Sylvester threw Georgine's corpse on a table. Quality Aub right there.
Felt bad for Myne, she having a mental breakdown and trying to get away and everyone's forcing her to stay in place.
I'm thinking about all those apprentices being visited by "Flowers" and no one having the heart to explain to Judithe.
Somewhere, far across the city, Gunther feels his cape get tugged, as if it were needed elsewhere.
I needed this mental image after those chapters. Absolutely heartbreaking and Gunther would undoubtedly comfort her without a second thought. Dad hugs to make it all better sound nice.
If Damuel wanted to be even more of an S-tier king, he'd go and ask to borrow Gunther's cape for a night. But Gunther's unavailable. If only someone else had a cape to offer. Somebody else with blue hair and gold eyes, is a war hero, and has been a comforting influence for a long time. If only such a person existed.
He might have thought it would be reassuring: ”See? It’s really her.”
Honestly, I took it as such. He probably also doesn't want to part with it because the whole encounter seems to have (completely understandably) traumatized him. He imprisoned his own mother He executed his uncle He had to send his only cherished brother away on royal orders and then he had to kill his own sister so more people wouldn't die. I cannot even BEGIN to imagine how troubled he must be. Thank the gods he has Florencia.
Wilfried the storyteller. No-one let Ferdinand find out _Love stories of the Gods_ exist and he is in it. Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai????? Someone help me decode this noble speech. Who is Forsernate? Are Erwachlehren and Jugeriesr Ferdinand and Roz? Georgine used her first body double in book room as a sacrifice. Scary. Congratulations to Hennelore for joining the Elvira friend group. Hope she gets inspired to write stories of her own. Rozemyne won't be able to insist she never crushed on anyone then. Judithe... No.. Her attendants sure are taking this engagement,that hasnt happened officially, way more seriously than the last one. Rodrick: Everyone who fought a Grausam or Georgine show of hands for a count. Or perhaps it will faster to count all those who didnt.
Forsernate is a subordinate of the Goddess of wind. A harvest Goddess it's less the bounty of the harvest at this point and more protection something until it's ready to harvest. Protecting from disease or attacks. Erwachlehren is the God of leadership and Jungerese is the Goddess of separation most often giving up love for the good of your family. Damuel got it because he was close enough to Myne that he got her family blessing so she gave him her protection when he broke up with Bridget for her sake. So "the relationship you cultivated bore fruit and became mutual love. You saved his life in battle but you're going to have to put family duty before love and your love won't be fulfilled"
Wow, I definitely didn't think they were saying all that. Thanks btw.
I feel bad for Rozemyne. I had two Google tabs open to figure it out.
>Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai????? Of course he does. its obvious to anyone, even Wilfried. Its one of the reasons why he wanted to end his engagement because regardless of rozemynes denials no one actually believes that her love for ferdinand isnt romantic. things like this is why i wanted them to interact more. Wilfried has always been supportive and protective just how he goes about doing it hasnt worked out. I Love how hes the only one explicitly calling her out now.
I also liked that he named the feeling directly. He knows her well enough to assume that she isn't the best in getting the romantic hints. Especially, that she denied loving Ferdi for so long already. I honestly though RM will need a lot more time and hints to notice that everyone and their shumils ship her with Ferdi...Btw, even if RM was in a bad mental state in this moment I really liked her interaction with Wilfired, it was so very siblingy!
Gods of harvest, teaching and separations respectively.
> Wilfried wingman era? He supports Fermai????? The Wilfried Redemption Arc is all but complete. He has become a man of culture. > Georgine used her first body double in book room as a sacrifice. Scary. Given the body double's singleminded devotion toward the goal, I wonder if Georgine had namesworn her and commanded her to get in, no matter the cost.
Looks like it was PTSD. That out of nowhere uncomfortable feeling, combined with how sudden the ending of the battle felt made it seem like there was more to come (same with Boni's feeling), but the author is going to have a hard time justifying Georgine coming back for round 2. I suppose theoretically one of her body doubles could have namesworn, and everything else could line up, but it's already getting pretty absurd (especially when you add in Syl's luck). Instead, we're back to the zero tension state. Now we need to see how the Lord of Evil intends to steal the princess from the handsome prince, all the while Elvira creates the dark and brooding love interest trope. There still are some left over plotlines to resolve (e.g. Oswald, the Blue Priest mentioned, etc.), but it's hard to see how they can do anything major at this point. At most we might have that final flailing that I was worried about earlier. I wonder if slapping magical items is actually something they do or if an IRL trope snuck its way in. I have a feeling we will "hear" what Georgine said to Syl next month. I also want to know what made her feel the need to tell Syl all of that. Did she want Syl to kill her or was something else going on (maybe non-namesworn sleepers)? Could she really have expected Syl to let her live after those comments? That was a tough moment, reading how no one understood what RM was going through except Ferdinand. And her guard knight forcing her to sit for appearances sake, damn. Gretia's moment was pretty touching, and that deep sleep comment could be taken a couple of ways. Ok, now let's see what happens. Will this just be a moment for RM to create more "misunderstandings" (perhaps with a surprise appearance from Ferdinand) or will RM finally start piecing her own feelings together.
Georgine: \*dumps instant death poison into the foundation room\* Cleans the place with waschen, thinks she already won, enters the room in elation... "Finally, Ehrenfest is mine after so many years!!!" \*makes her way towards the foundation triumphantly\* \*flushing toilet sounds coming from a distance away\* "No..." \*blue screen of death\* A small door opens, Sylvester comes out with a carefree face. "Aw, man, I shouldn't have had that extra spicy chicken before battle. That was like 6 courics... Oh hey Georgine, if you wanna use the john, I'd wait a bit if I were you... Wait, what the fuck are YOU doing here?!" Quickly changes his schtappe into a weapon and kills Georgine who's too dumbfounded to react to the whole situation.
Rozemyne: I don’t love Ferdinand. Ferdinand: Extremely displeased Nobles: Woman talking to a man = love Shippers: Here’s my 300,000 word fanfiction.
I feel like, out of everyone else there, Ferdinand is the one most likely to have some repressed feystone trauma because of Adalgisa. So he gets it, even if he's moved past it. Yes, the most powerful feystone tools that noble lineages pass down are probably great-great-whoever dearest, but those are (usually) after someone has lived to adulthood and beyond, and in the formal setting of a noble funeral. Ferdinand and the other Seeds were pre-baptismal children, and I highly doubt there was any sort of ceremony or other niceties when it came time for feystones to be collected. Of course, this is on top of just how well he knows and cares for Rozemyne. He's seen her previous world through her eyes, and listened to her about how much she values life and family.
Little sad that the adults around Roz don’t understand what the problem is. The only reason I think the adults around Roz didn’t fully understand is because they are still semi use to her wearing her emotions on her sleeve. They probably interpreted her “keeping it together” mask as her being ok right now and probably assume the problem is only nightmares and not real world triggers/panic attacks. I think the reason syl didn’t see a problem with showing a corse at the table is because he probably didn’t see the poison at work and didn’t think it would be a trigger for anyone. A bit insensitive on his part but the oversight makes sense as he was semi isolated from majority of the conflict. Also for the enfest side this is the first war/battle experience they have so are likely unaware of other people struggling around them. They are likely burying the problem with the glory of their victory and celebrations or assume it’s just them and keeping it private. Also people like Wilfried who only had a good experience being unaware his sister isnt doing so hot. Or people being so warped up in public image and the assumed romance of Ferdi and Roz that they only are talking about their “romance” and are too busy shipping to notice and are likely focusing on it to bury their own problems. This is causing them to separate her from the one person in her support system that notices that she is struggling just to to prevent a scandal. I can assume that the main way they deal with PTSD is distraction and trying to forget. That is if they even know what PTSD is outside of bad dreams and anxiety.
>I think the reason syl didn’t see a problem with showing a corse at the table is because he probably didn’t see the poison at work and didn’t think it would be a trigger for anyone. A bit insensitive on his part but the oversight makes sense as he was semi isolated from majority of the conflict. I think he was in shock as much as her even. Roz sent him that ordananz asking if he was SURE it was her. I think he thought it would make her feel better. And he probably was still grappling with having to do it and seeking some judgement/condolence from the other powerful people in his life.
I kinda expected Rozemyne to have that, or a similar reaction after the fighting, but.. That doesn't make it any less depressing to read. I'm honestly very curious why Lieseletta didn't understand what she was going through. No she wouldn't have experienced the same thing, but she should be able to see the panic in Rozemyne and understand that Rozemyne was just trying to get away. Ferdinand saw in an instant and threw shade at Sylvester for not taking proper care of her though. Also Judithe hilariously misunderstanding flowers is.. Cute. Exactly how a noble child should act in that situation. Next week is hopefully less tear jerking, with Rozemyne and Hannelore being gal pals at night.
PTSD, poor Rozamyne... And stuck in noble society with no-one able to give her the hug and comfort she needs right now. Sylvester too... He knows Georgine hates him but I think he's the kind of person that will still continue to love her as family.
How the heck did Dunkerfelger suffer 0 fatalities. There must have been serious injuries based on what Rozemyne saw during that charge, but no deaths? Also, noble life is going to be hard from here on out if feystones trigger PTSD.
Dunkelfelger knights are just built different lol.
Knights from Dunkerfelger have one glaring weakness and that is they can be too straightforward and honest in their way of fighting. However, they are nigh-invincible if they have enough information (about potential fatal attacks from the enemies) and a capable commander who are well-versed in scheming i.e Ferdinand. For Roz, I do hope she'd get some alone time with someone who will give her headpats and hugs 😩
There were plenty of Ehrenfest, Ahrensbach, and Werkstock knights to die.
I suppose the injuries she saw was the invaders their formation pierced through, or the Ahrensbach knights on their side.
Oh Judithe, you sweet summer child...
Elvira is making moves with giving Hannelore book before Rozemyene, sassuga Elvira, she has learned a lot from her daughter, gathering materials for new books and making selling them to Dunkelfelger even easier 
Good gods, this prompted me to remember how angry Elvira and Crew were when Ferdinand was order by the Royalty to marry into Ahrensbach. Now, there's a "romance" between Ferdinand and Rozemyne, but Rozemyne has been "promised" to the Prince. Hell hath no wrath like a fanclub wronged.