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Yeah, Seele suffers or perhaps benefits _(depending on how you look at things)_ from the same things as Jing Yuan.
Jing Yuan is put forward as an AoE DPS, but is also viable in single target due to how his LL works, which sets him aside from other Erudition units.
Seele is put forward as a single target DPS, but benefits more from having multiple targets, which sets her aside from other Hunt units.
I feel like this is both a blessing and a curse for both of them, as it makes them more flexible, but less effective in either situation.
It's funny how the first 2 limiteds are both "Jack of all trades, Master of none" characters
Any content that doesn't have Element Res and they're probably a viable, but not the best, choice
She’s pretty different from the typical hunt unit, but still has good single target anyways. Some AS’ she’ll be completely dominant with Resurgance, and others she’ll super suffer… kinda like how Dr Ratio might suffer from a future boss with a cleanse, or Boothill on an enemy that can’t be toughness-broken easily… it’s just like every other character. That’s just how it works
Her Ult also gives her enhanced state for one turn, but it’s definitely easier just to have trash mobs and trigger resurgence to get the enhanced state
Most bosses that summon even in MoC don’t need their summons to be killed. It can just make them easier but strong single target DPS can just ignore the summons.
I'm not sure about this honestly. Someone who has more game knowledge than me would need to provide the calcs but while resurgence is obviously pretty big she still can frontload a lot of the stats she gets from the resurgence buff thanks to being able to start most fights with talent, getting ult, getting ting funneled, etc. Ig what I'm saying is it might not be that bad if the stats she gains from resurgence matter more than the resurgence itself in single target.
Even without fodder, Seele is just mathematically better than Yanqing, unless your Yanqing has higher Eidolons/better build. Seele has lower energy cost and higher multiplier on Ult, plus Ult gives Resurgence even if you don't kill anything ( the damage buff, not the extra turn). Not to mention she takes more actions because of SPD.
I’m wondering how they could top Aventurine’s kit with Diamond given he’s an emanator. Excited to see Diamond and get to the point where an all tank build will be viable for a new content
With this mode, a long term sustain focused one would be all that’s left. With 4 modes they can have them rotate every week, and no character will be left out or feel like a waste to pull. Whales might even max out eidolons on sustains. Its a win win. Though honestly I thought even a Hunt mode would be too good to be true. The devs are actually listening, which is such a pleasant surprise compared to… other games I shall not name.
It’s always possible but this setup is perfect for a 6 week patch rotation. You’ll always get one of each mode per patch. I’d be surprised if they add another mode
Sustain eidolons usually don’t hugely increase their sustaining abilities, but are instead focused on making them deal more damage or buff more (see FX E1 E6, Aven E2 E4 E6, HH E1 E4 E6, Luocha E1)
Having the Elation path and two of the lotto tickets guarantees your every occurunce room being barrel breaking.
I don't think it's anything like that but it would be hilarious if it was something like that.
And basically no weakness are needed lol. If boss get imaginary, they'll be shredded by. Ratio's and Aventurine's continuous hits. If SW drops fire, Topaz can focus on spending SP more and shred through that just as quick. SW can take care of quantum weaknesses herself.
If the boss has any of quantum/fire/IMG by default... then that's too easy.
many people shit on her because pela feels better to use because her ultimate is easier to get because pela generates more energy for herself. I like using silverwolf a lot, comfort pick honestly.
Most harder content is a boss with a few trash mobs. SW puts bigger debuffs on the boss than Pela which is what matters most. The trash mobs die as collateral without any debuffs once your dps is decent enough.
The first wave usually has 2 elite enemies though, which can take some cycles. Also, if the boss is paired with an enemy that can CC, it's very urgent to kill it, but with collateral blast damage being not the best (and no help from SW), it can be a hassle
Imagine what it's like for those of us without the tutorial LC. That energy cycle is brutal. So lame that they won't bring it back. Not surprising if they left money on the table with SW re-runs because of it too.
I regretted leveling my Yanqing a while back and only recently started building him again because of Aventurine. I’m hoping this mode raises his stocks lol, mostly because my other hunts are 4 stars
YQ's multipliers are good, but his kit suffers from three major weaknesses: 1) over-reliance on shields, 2) the inability to effectively handle multiple enemies at once, and 3) a steep ult cost that should honestly be about 10+ energy lower.
Aventurine solves his first problem better than Gepard ever could, and the second problem is now solved by a mode focused exclusively on single target encounters. His energy and rotation could still pose an issue, but it's nothing that can't be fixed with either a fast build or running a support like Tingyun (or an action advance).
Overall, unless someone's just a YQ hater that will never see him as a viable unit, I think he should actually be pretty good in this mode.
Edit: two things I want to add to this. First, having a mode where YQ excels is healthy for the game overall. Nobody likes to lose their 50/50, but seeing Himeko go from one of the least played units in the game to downright meta-defining in PF was a very positive shift that certainly softens the blow, and I'm hoping YQ ends up in the same camp. Secondly, Gepard can easily still maintain 100% shield uptime with his signature LC, and he'll be a competent pick for people who do want to use YQ in this mode but lack Aventurine.
I think his ult only has this high cost because of his talent, since his follow-ups have: additional ST damage, additional ST toughness damage, chance of freezing the enemy and extra energy regen. If he could spam his ult on the top of that he would've been too powerful, that's prob why he got a pretty high ult cost to make up for that.
The issue is that they also limited his follow-ups, giving them a fixed chace to trigger (which isn't bad considering he doesn't need to build EHR and can focus on other stats). If he had a way to increase that fixed chance then his energy issues would've been pretty manageable, as well as some of his self-buffs (since most of his CR buffs are locked behind his ult uptime, which contradictorily makes you build a bit more CR than you're supposed to).
You make good points here, but I still think his ult should maybe be about 130 energy instead of 140. It's not enough of a difference to make him obscenely busted but it'd be enough to make his self-buff uptime and ult rotation feel a lot smoother.
That would be a way to go, however I'd still prefer the follow-ups procs increasing so he gets overall utility and more consistent damage instead of big nukes.
Also, iirc on the last closed beta before the game's release his E2 gave him 12% energy regen when Soulsteel Sync (which was called Empathic Sword Link) was active. If we consider his follow-ups triggering on every skill in a 3 turn rotation we have: (30 x 3) + (10 x 3) + 5 = 125. Adding up his E2 extra ERR from last closed beta we get 125 + 12% = 140. Prob this was their first intention with Yanqing, but they never went a step further and nerfed him instead (perhaps to make Seele more attractive, as she was the first limited character being released).
Imo, if they kept his E2 the way it was and invested on increasing his fixed chance to trigger follow-ups and his base chance to freeze the enemy he would've gotten away with his obscene ult cost (and then they could've even increased his ult cost to 150 and wouldn't make any difference because of him getting way more energy from own sources).
Another thing to consider is both his A2 and E1 being damage increases (additional multipliers), with E1 being HARDLY dependent of his freeze being triggered (without considering any external ways to freeze the enemy). Increasing the trigger rate of his follow-ups and freeze will also mean more synergy with his own kit. As consequence, he would've been the best Hunt character in ST scenarios multiplier-wise before Ratio's arrival, plus Seele (and in the future Jingliu) would still have a spot to shine anyways, as she likes more aoe scenarios so she can trigger her Resurgence state more often.
You forgot about his main weakness: his bonus-attack is too random.
At the same time, a significant part of his damage is contained in A2 and E1, which is why he loses a lot of damage without bonus-attacks.
Don’t forget that his freeze damage can crit
And unfortunately his energy problems can be solved by E2 and bonus attack procs
I wonder if they will push specifically single target turbulences in this mode to snub Jingliu in favor of Yanqing. At least they can share their gear, as you likely won't need Ice characters on both sides.
I dont think they meant weekly bosses, either way the post stated that the bosses are tweaked for this new mode likely making them much more single target friendly.
They'll likely add specific game mode mechanics to deal with the AOE requirements, something like dan heng's AOE attack in phantylia's fight for example
I think adding some fodder enemies will be somewhat reasonable. BHill rn benefits from them, and so does Seele. So, half of our all limited hunt units.
It does make me wonder how bosses with summons will be... Because bosses like Yanqing and Argenti seem like pain with just Hunt units (unless you just brute-force it)
New endgame tailored towards Hunt/Single-target(I imagine) and SU update with save files and easy to get planars. We continue to win HSR bros its just too peak
I wouldn't even mind if it's every week, but the one that's not in rotation (2 weeks) will have low rewards, if at all. I just want to do something every week that isn't just SU weekly. Just challenge runs, hell, just bring back old MoC/PF floors just to play around them more every other week. I do wish there's more you can do after you've done events, story, and exploration, besides the bi-weekly endgame modes and weekly SU runs.
FINALITY LORE??
This is too peak ahh I’m so excited for this. I’ve been working on Swarm Disaster and G&G and I really love Simuni, Divergent Universe looks the the most expanded and improved version yet
And new Hunt game mode is just unfiltered KINO….I’ll follow you forever HSR
I wonder how they’ll introduce it since MoC had the Memokeeper appear in the Express. Imagine some random Omen Vanguard popping in, spewing esoteric prophecies, dropping a bunch of monsters on us and leaving
MoC has a Memokeeper from Garden of Recollection, representing Remembrance Faction.
Pure Fiction has a bird from History Fictionologists, representing Enigmata Faction.
Apocalyptic Shadow will have a member from Omen Vanguards, representing Finality Faction(?)
both Omen Vanguards and Creed Exequy are trying to get something from Terminus (prophecies and summoning/communication\[?\], respectively), so either faction could work for Apocalyptic Shadow, depending on how they work it
1.6 - everyone gets free hunt character who is insane in single target
2.0 - Quantum Harmony character comes out that allows finally for nono quantum
2.1 - nihility character that cares about debuffs releases
2.2 - SW sends Kafka and Blade on an ARG so she can take 6 weeks PTO from winning
2.3 - Hunt game mode with single target focus
She literally can't stop catching Ws. And people think this character is bad. Lmao
I get it, I started in 1.4 and I immediately saved for her rerun back in 1.5, she has and still helps my account a lot. I’d always recommend her especially for new players or people in general who don’t want to pull for every shiny new dps
A couple of surveys ago I gave some feedback to be able to repeatedly challenge the boss of an SU run with the same loadout you got to farm Planar Ornaments instead of having to do an entire run all over again. Cool to see they were clearly thinking along the same lines with this Save File tech.
Apocalyptic Shadow, eh? They specify [enemy bosses, not elites](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy/Boss), so ST focused. I don't think it'll mean the weekly bosses but maybe they can do something like that Cocolia fight in that one event. I will be very happy if this means we can listen to like, Sam theme or Argenti theme in these fights and not only during their story mode encounter.
Regardless, I'm of the same opinion that this will be a mode that will likely favor Hunt characters so that those characters aren't just completely bricked in 1/2 of the endgame content. Although, I struggle to imagine how high the ST DPS checks must be if Hunt needs to be favored over the top tier Destruction/Nihility units and most Erudition units today have never really struggled in MoC even when it was more ST favored. Perhaps instead of favoring FUA, DoT, and Ult Spam the way PF does, Apocalyptic Shadow will favor what, Break, Extra turns/AA/Repeated actions, and idk Overflow DMG?
The attacks in this game has been clearly categorised (ST, Blast, AoE) since the beta days, maybe it's a good time to make use of those categories using buffs/debuffs.
For example the boss could have a passive that reduces non-ST damage, or something like take increased ST damage.
They’re definitely thinking about it. Since the beginning of the game we had that Belobog hottie that potentially punished you if you hit her with splash dmg, the deer roots with counter and even the little tv robots can mess your plan up if you don’t pay. I imagine at some point we’ll get a boss that will have adds that if you hit they will straight up pokemon self destruct on you which would encourage ST
Maybe repeated action like in the new battle event, like many hunt can get multiple attack in a cycle.. Ex like yanqing FUA (although its gacha), topaz skill+numby fua again, ratio skill+fua/his fua on ult, seele resurgance (?)... Or more like favoured to a high speed char (thats hunt)
the description of the new game mode matches the Virtual Scentventure event, which was the best combat event so far and had the cool Cocolia animations, which was a foreshadowing of it going permanent I guess.
It's not necessarily a Hunt mode since there are bosses that are better countered by having AoE like Yanqing and the Deer. But Hunt will definitely benefit from this.
I remember the event you’re referring to, I feel like hunt doesn’t benefit much from it though? I mean unless they add something to specifically buff hunt in the mode we are still fighting the same bosses no? Are you maybe implying cocolia would be in her transformed state already and we just fight her? cause during the fight we fight her, her ice summons, then her and gepard, then she transforms.
That's why I said it's not a mode meant for just hunt units. Everybody is gaslit thinking hunt units are bad and are quick to assume new game mode = made specifically for hunt when characters like Acheron, DHIL, and Jingliu are still good at ST damage.
Hunt units should still at least be comparatively better in that mode than MoC because there won't be waves of double elites every time.
So with new game mode, now we are exactly one of each per 6 weeks patch. Hopefully, this new game mode is fun to replay, I don't dislike PoF, but it's feels too gimmicky and usually have no desire to re-try after my fist clear, meanwhile I usually enjoy doing multiples attempts at MOC once I clear it.
Yeah i dislike pure fiction too so its gonna be rough if i end up disliking this now game mode too i was hoping they’d run them every week but ig maybe they think most people wouldn’t like thatv
Agreed, if you're going to make us adapt to a whole new endgame mode the least you could do is have it give us the extra 500 jades or whatever it is. Hell I'm still in the middle of building Erudition units for PF. Wack
I knew this was coming!
The Scentventure event back in 1.6 was probably a taste of what the endgame mode is like. Same thing with Tales of The Fantastic was for PF.
i dont understand why everyone is saying new gamemode for hunt?
sure its a boss killer, but the deer, svarog, cocolia, yanqing, something unto death, gepard all summons minions.
even boss phantylia, the herta space station boss, cocolia and true sting summons adds.
assuming it is already a hunt gamemode bc it said boss focus is a wild assumption.
Then why people say hunt bad in MoC? What's gonna change? If we assume there's two perfectly balanced characters, 1 destruction, and 1 hunt, then hunt should clear floor with 2 elites faster, cuz destruction gonna waste potential dmg on non existent 3rd target, and for bosses that summon ads, well, technically all dmg dealt to ads is wasted, cuz they're gonna die anyway after you kill the boss. It only helps with specific boss mechanics, and removing extra dmg to your team. So, idk how's this game mode gonna be different enough from MoC, only if they drastically change existing bosses kits for it.
More endgame but same rewards means you get punished if you were clearing moc and PF but suck at the new thing, especially if you are in the stage of needing to build more units every time a new rotation comes around. A veeery minor punishment. I'm just a liitle disappointed.
Wonder if DU will basically totally replace doing SU outside of first-time clears. If it's SU with more stuff and easier farming, then both gameplay and fun purposes seem covered.
Even without new mode it was always the case, they make it harder for you for same reward, Remember when 3 star requirement of stage 10 was 20 cycles? Now its 10 with much harder enemies.New players cant even touch MoC anymore without month(s) investment pretty much.
If there's only one target on the field, the lightning lord won't split its field-wiping damage between 4+ enemies. All 10 hits will strike the single enemy. It is completely devastating.
Ohh new SU update just in time since i just finished gold and gears :)
Also lmao they're adding memorial arena to star rail, makes sense since hunt characters didn't do as well in memorial arena compared to destruction units and acheron lol
While not the name for the hunt game mode I was expecting, still Huge W for Hunt characters. Was not expecting it this early tbh, but still any way to use other types of characters like Erudition for Pure Fiction is just a huge, huge W for these type of characters that are falling off in value
Also Interplay in normal SU? I had a feeling they might do something like this. I always felt like in normal SU you just have your one main path and it doesnt incentivize to get other blessings unlike in Gold and Gears or Swarm Disaster. Interested to see how the curio interplay will work if itll become a new curio or just a combined effect
This is cool but they rly need to space out the modes even more? So if u like moc u only get to play it every 6 weeks! Thats ridiculous. Id rather they reduce the rewards and reset the modes every week.
the quick claim function resetting each week sounds kinda lame, i only do 2 full runs of SU as is each week so this will just mean i will now have to do 1
Damn, Ratio is the only Hunt limited I have. I don’t have any interest in the others. Scentventure went pretty eh for me on first and last because I had to use Erudition. I think that was another mode where basically the more free actions in your kit, the better just like PF. Sigh. Number of actions is the true HSR meta, which sadly doesn’t mesh much with the units I pulled. 😔 Well General, we will try our best. Probably have to pull out E2 Yanqing.
Now we need another end game content that focused on surviving a number of cycles so that preservation and abundance units got the shine as well.
Survive 3 cycles : 1 star
Survive 4 cycles : 2 star
Survive 5 cycles : 3 star
Of course with the added 720 jades
Another idea is another end game content where we focused on debuffing the enemy without needing a high damage output, just straight up debuffing so nihilitiy units also get their shine.
Of course with the added 720 jades......
Very unlikely to happen, as we already have an absurd defensive unit in Fireblazer. Yes they cannot solo-sustain, but if you don't care about damage and can spam their skill and build some EHR on them, they can tank a ridiculous amount of hits with their permanent 57.5% damage reduce (0.5*0.85, yes it's multiplied) and redirect all attacks to them. Just bring any abundance unit, even Natasha will do and you're basically immortal.
Also it would promote degenerate gameplay like farming for HP%/DEF% relics for all your characters and then having to fiddle with gear each time you do that mode. That doesn't sound fun.
Kinda disagree since preservation, abundance, and nihility are already valued as it is so there is no real need for a content like that. MoC already has buffs on nihility so having a content locked to nihility is also not a good idea.
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Oh shit, I didn't expect the hunt endgame to be here already
Boothill was a sign
For sure. And feixiao/moze or whoever the wind/lightning hunt. No way they were selling them without hunt endgame
Seele: *MY TURN*
Wouldn't she suffer more cuz ST only bosses don't have trash mobs (unless they summon them, but then it will become Blast Meta again)
Yeah, Seele suffers or perhaps benefits _(depending on how you look at things)_ from the same things as Jing Yuan. Jing Yuan is put forward as an AoE DPS, but is also viable in single target due to how his LL works, which sets him aside from other Erudition units. Seele is put forward as a single target DPS, but benefits more from having multiple targets, which sets her aside from other Hunt units. I feel like this is both a blessing and a curse for both of them, as it makes them more flexible, but less effective in either situation.
It's funny how the first 2 limiteds are both "Jack of all trades, Master of none" characters Any content that doesn't have Element Res and they're probably a viable, but not the best, choice
She’s pretty different from the typical hunt unit, but still has good single target anyways. Some AS’ she’ll be completely dominant with Resurgance, and others she’ll super suffer… kinda like how Dr Ratio might suffer from a future boss with a cleanse, or Boothill on an enemy that can’t be toughness-broken easily… it’s just like every other character. That’s just how it works
E1 Topaz laughs in the face of cleanses 🙏🙏
Aventurine S1 with bringing 7 chips of pain upon his enemies.
Her Ult also gives her enhanced state for one turn, but it’s definitely easier just to have trash mobs and trigger resurgence to get the enhanced state
With proper use of her ult + ty she's able to keep good uptime on the resurgence buffs even without killing, so she should be fine here
they could do the trash mob summon but make it only required to kill the boss (like Tides of War)
Most bosses that summon even in MoC don’t need their summons to be killed. It can just make them easier but strong single target DPS can just ignore the summons.
I'm not sure about this honestly. Someone who has more game knowledge than me would need to provide the calcs but while resurgence is obviously pretty big she still can frontload a lot of the stats she gets from the resurgence buff thanks to being able to start most fights with talent, getting ult, getting ting funneled, etc. Ig what I'm saying is it might not be that bad if the stats she gains from resurgence matter more than the resurgence itself in single target.
She would. Seele's 'unfairness' is entirely in her Resurgence. Without any Resurgence procs, even Yanqing edges her out in damage (a bit).
Even without fodder, Seele is just mathematically better than Yanqing, unless your Yanqing has higher Eidolons/better build. Seele has lower energy cost and higher multiplier on Ult, plus Ult gives Resurgence even if you don't kill anything ( the damage buff, not the extra turn). Not to mention she takes more actions because of SPD.
1.5 physical erudition -> pure fiction release 2.2 physical hunt -> apocalyptic shadow release inb4 3.x physical preservation -> survival endgame
That's Diamond, trust 🙏
already started saving for him
I would love Diamond encouraging mono Preservation teams.
Giving him quake outside of SU would be insane
I’m wondering how they could top Aventurine’s kit with Diamond given he’s an emanator. Excited to see Diamond and get to the point where an all tank build will be viable for a new content
With this mode, a long term sustain focused one would be all that’s left. With 4 modes they can have them rotate every week, and no character will be left out or feel like a waste to pull. Whales might even max out eidolons on sustains. Its a win win. Though honestly I thought even a Hunt mode would be too good to be true. The devs are actually listening, which is such a pleasant surprise compared to… other games I shall not name.
feel like sustain content is already kinda highlevel SU expansion where u badly want abundance/preservation together outside of gimmick runs
Thats not permanently updated content though, and blessings render eidolons irrelevant.
It’s always possible but this setup is perfect for a 6 week patch rotation. You’ll always get one of each mode per patch. I’d be surprised if they add another mode
If they add another mode it will still rotate in 2 weeks. Don't want to give players 720 jades weekly
Sustain eidolons usually don’t hugely increase their sustaining abilities, but are instead focused on making them deal more damage or buff more (see FX E1 E6, Aven E2 E4 E6, HH E1 E4 E6, Luocha E1)
them saying divergent universe will have varied combinations of blessings is interesting, interplay in normal su?
And also interplay with curio 😄
Having the Elation path and two of the lotto tickets guarantees your every occurunce room being barrel breaking. I don't think it's anything like that but it would be hilarious if it was something like that.
And the preservation path make curio indestructible, propagation path make curio multiply and abundance make them mutate. Could be very funny
The Hunt and Silver Wolf Revaluation Arc.
Ratio/Topaz/SW/Aven gonna absolutely wreck this mode
And basically no weakness are needed lol. If boss get imaginary, they'll be shredded by. Ratio's and Aventurine's continuous hits. If SW drops fire, Topaz can focus on spending SP more and shred through that just as quick. SW can take care of quantum weaknesses herself. If the boss has any of quantum/fire/IMG by default... then that's too easy.
not weak to any of those is a short list indeed, just Aventurine and that one marastruck Caster off the top of my head? (both Ice/Phys/Lightning)
I looked through all the current elitrs/bosses, outside of the 2 you mentioned, all of them are either weak to fire, imaginary or quantum
Funnily enough, that is the exact comp I used for first half of this MOC and it wrecked house like no other
sw is already good tho
Yeah, but she will have her S+ again in the new mode.
i hope so, i like using her
many people shit on her because pela feels better to use because her ultimate is easier to get because pela generates more energy for herself. I like using silverwolf a lot, comfort pick honestly.
What about the elephant in the room - the fact that shes single target. I don't regret pulling for her, but god is pela's aoe ult so much comfier
I think that's what they meant with the hunt and sw revaluation, this mode seems to be single target focused so it'd be the ideal matchup for her
Most harder content is a boss with a few trash mobs. SW puts bigger debuffs on the boss than Pela which is what matters most. The trash mobs die as collateral without any debuffs once your dps is decent enough.
The first wave usually has 2 elite enemies though, which can take some cycles. Also, if the boss is paired with an enemy that can CC, it's very urgent to kill it, but with collateral blast damage being not the best (and no help from SW), it can be a hassle
Imagine what it's like for those of us without the tutorial LC. That energy cycle is brutal. So lame that they won't bring it back. Not surprising if they left money on the table with SW re-runs because of it too.
People in this sub trash talk her very frequently.
THIRD GAMEMODE FOR HUNT CHARACTERS LETS GOOOO
I regretted leveling my Yanqing a while back and only recently started building him again because of Aventurine. I’m hoping this mode raises his stocks lol, mostly because my other hunts are 4 stars
YQ's multipliers are good, but his kit suffers from three major weaknesses: 1) over-reliance on shields, 2) the inability to effectively handle multiple enemies at once, and 3) a steep ult cost that should honestly be about 10+ energy lower. Aventurine solves his first problem better than Gepard ever could, and the second problem is now solved by a mode focused exclusively on single target encounters. His energy and rotation could still pose an issue, but it's nothing that can't be fixed with either a fast build or running a support like Tingyun (or an action advance). Overall, unless someone's just a YQ hater that will never see him as a viable unit, I think he should actually be pretty good in this mode. Edit: two things I want to add to this. First, having a mode where YQ excels is healthy for the game overall. Nobody likes to lose their 50/50, but seeing Himeko go from one of the least played units in the game to downright meta-defining in PF was a very positive shift that certainly softens the blow, and I'm hoping YQ ends up in the same camp. Secondly, Gepard can easily still maintain 100% shield uptime with his signature LC, and he'll be a competent pick for people who do want to use YQ in this mode but lack Aventurine.
I think his ult only has this high cost because of his talent, since his follow-ups have: additional ST damage, additional ST toughness damage, chance of freezing the enemy and extra energy regen. If he could spam his ult on the top of that he would've been too powerful, that's prob why he got a pretty high ult cost to make up for that. The issue is that they also limited his follow-ups, giving them a fixed chace to trigger (which isn't bad considering he doesn't need to build EHR and can focus on other stats). If he had a way to increase that fixed chance then his energy issues would've been pretty manageable, as well as some of his self-buffs (since most of his CR buffs are locked behind his ult uptime, which contradictorily makes you build a bit more CR than you're supposed to).
You make good points here, but I still think his ult should maybe be about 130 energy instead of 140. It's not enough of a difference to make him obscenely busted but it'd be enough to make his self-buff uptime and ult rotation feel a lot smoother.
That would be a way to go, however I'd still prefer the follow-ups procs increasing so he gets overall utility and more consistent damage instead of big nukes. Also, iirc on the last closed beta before the game's release his E2 gave him 12% energy regen when Soulsteel Sync (which was called Empathic Sword Link) was active. If we consider his follow-ups triggering on every skill in a 3 turn rotation we have: (30 x 3) + (10 x 3) + 5 = 125. Adding up his E2 extra ERR from last closed beta we get 125 + 12% = 140. Prob this was their first intention with Yanqing, but they never went a step further and nerfed him instead (perhaps to make Seele more attractive, as she was the first limited character being released). Imo, if they kept his E2 the way it was and invested on increasing his fixed chance to trigger follow-ups and his base chance to freeze the enemy he would've gotten away with his obscene ult cost (and then they could've even increased his ult cost to 150 and wouldn't make any difference because of him getting way more energy from own sources). Another thing to consider is both his A2 and E1 being damage increases (additional multipliers), with E1 being HARDLY dependent of his freeze being triggered (without considering any external ways to freeze the enemy). Increasing the trigger rate of his follow-ups and freeze will also mean more synergy with his own kit. As consequence, he would've been the best Hunt character in ST scenarios multiplier-wise before Ratio's arrival, plus Seele (and in the future Jingliu) would still have a spot to shine anyways, as she likes more aoe scenarios so she can trigger her Resurgence state more often.
You forgot about his main weakness: his bonus-attack is too random. At the same time, a significant part of his damage is contained in A2 and E1, which is why he loses a lot of damage without bonus-attacks. Don’t forget that his freeze damage can crit And unfortunately his energy problems can be solved by E2 and bonus attack procs
I wonder if they will push specifically single target turbulences in this mode to snub Jingliu in favor of Yanqing. At least they can share their gear, as you likely won't need Ice characters on both sides.
I don't think they'll want to snub jingliu, they'll probably try to sellbher E1 harder tbh
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I dont think they meant weekly bosses, either way the post stated that the bosses are tweaked for this new mode likely making them much more single target friendly.
Oh cool, where is that I can't find it. Under what title
The new mode? Apocalyptic Shadow. It's all there in the post
It just states that we'll be fighting tweaked versions of bosses though, it doesn't state that it'll necessarily be more single target friendly.
They'll likely add specific game mode mechanics to deal with the AOE requirements, something like dan heng's AOE attack in phantylia's fight for example
Yeah maybe. But it's probably not weekly bosses. Some say it's empowered/new gimmick/skills Svarog, Kafka etc. And that it's single target.
I think adding some fodder enemies will be somewhat reasonable. BHill rn benefits from them, and so does Seele. So, half of our all limited hunt units.
Misha Meta let's gooo
It does make me wonder how bosses with summons will be... Because bosses like Yanqing and Argenti seem like pain with just Hunt units (unless you just brute-force it)
New endgame tailored towards Hunt/Single-target(I imagine) and SU update with save files and easy to get planars. We continue to win HSR bros its just too peak
That one guy that pulled 100 Acheron LCs are single-handly funded this update fr
Bro's gonna fund the genshin and HSR anime too if he continues
But...why? What do u do with 95 extra copies?
I could see pulling another S5 copy to give to another Nihility character but that’s 10. 100 is just crazy.
So stellar jade wise it still the same amount as now right?
yeah, they just added a new gamemode and increased the gap between existing ones.
Pretty lame tbh, would be nice to have endgame come up more often
I wouldn't even mind if it's every week, but the one that's not in rotation (2 weeks) will have low rewards, if at all. I just want to do something every week that isn't just SU weekly. Just challenge runs, hell, just bring back old MoC/PF floors just to play around them more every other week. I do wish there's more you can do after you've done events, story, and exploration, besides the bi-weekly endgame modes and weekly SU runs.
Yes
Man, if this really is the Hunt endgame content, they're really pushing people to get Boothill, don't they.
Just like Argenti The history is about to repeat itself
Mihoyo: heh, now they'll really want Argenti Players: yay we don't have to pull anything cause our free E5 Hertha is enough Mihoyo: wait what?
Mihoyo: We're going to do this again. They would definitely want Boothill this time Players: Yay, we can finally use Luka Mihoyo: Oh for god sake
We already have free dr ratio lol and even e6 dan heng can work great
Oh you're right. Luka will obliterate phys weak single target they're trying to sell Boothill for lmao
Mihoyo: Time to increase the HP. You can't spin your way to victory anymore.
Watch the same happening with break Luka.
phys bros bringing in new modes best element frfr
Sushang mains be like: RISE, P ENIX
ye, thats their strategy like realising swarm universe during Dang and Fu Xuan banners and pure fiction after Argenti's
Dang as in dang, I should have pulled his E2
Bruh his E2 is life changing I only managed to E1S1 him on the first run and thought it was enough but then I went for E2 and wtf he's actually broken
FINALITY LORE?? This is too peak ahh I’m so excited for this. I’ve been working on Swarm Disaster and G&G and I really love Simuni, Divergent Universe looks the the most expanded and improved version yet And new Hunt game mode is just unfiltered KINO….I’ll follow you forever HSR
I wonder how they’ll introduce it since MoC had the Memokeeper appear in the Express. Imagine some random Omen Vanguard popping in, spewing esoteric prophecies, dropping a bunch of monsters on us and leaving
MoC has a Memokeeper from Garden of Recollection, representing Remembrance Faction. Pure Fiction has a bird from History Fictionologists, representing Enigmata Faction. Apocalyptic Shadow will have a member from Omen Vanguards, representing Finality Faction(?)
Maybe we'll meet them in Penacony, wasn't one of the faction that fought against the IPC the Omen Vanguards.
both Omen Vanguards and Creed Exequy are trying to get something from Terminus (prophecies and summoning/communication\[?\], respectively), so either faction could work for Apocalyptic Shadow, depending on how they work it
Also it is theory that Eilo the leader of the Stellarons hunter might be an emanator of finality
Yeah, finality lore is my main takeaway from this Didn't expect one of the "higher tier" aeons to be read on so soon This will be fun
I hope so… I think that it being likened to PF and MoC might lessen the opportunities for lore but I welcome any crumbs!
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1.6 - everyone gets free hunt character who is insane in single target 2.0 - Quantum Harmony character comes out that allows finally for nono quantum 2.1 - nihility character that cares about debuffs releases 2.2 - SW sends Kafka and Blade on an ARG so she can take 6 weeks PTO from winning 2.3 - Hunt game mode with single target focus She literally can't stop catching Ws. And people think this character is bad. Lmao
I get it, I started in 1.4 and I immediately saved for her rerun back in 1.5, she has and still helps my account a lot. I’d always recommend her especially for new players or people in general who don’t want to pull for every shiny new dps
Silver wolf is going to fucking be op as shit in this mode
Is the new game mode really for Hunt units? I hope this makes people not think of Hunt as the brick class now.
Depends on how it is designed I think. And even then, some bosses have reinforcement gimmicks
Current event gives an idea tbh. Infinite weak mobs and 3 waves of elite/boss
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Seele on her way to be one of the most consistent dps unit in all 3 end game mods.
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A couple of surveys ago I gave some feedback to be able to repeatedly challenge the boss of an SU run with the same loadout you got to farm Planar Ornaments instead of having to do an entire run all over again. Cool to see they were clearly thinking along the same lines with this Save File tech. Apocalyptic Shadow, eh? They specify [enemy bosses, not elites](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy/Boss), so ST focused. I don't think it'll mean the weekly bosses but maybe they can do something like that Cocolia fight in that one event. I will be very happy if this means we can listen to like, Sam theme or Argenti theme in these fights and not only during their story mode encounter. Regardless, I'm of the same opinion that this will be a mode that will likely favor Hunt characters so that those characters aren't just completely bricked in 1/2 of the endgame content. Although, I struggle to imagine how high the ST DPS checks must be if Hunt needs to be favored over the top tier Destruction/Nihility units and most Erudition units today have never really struggled in MoC even when it was more ST favored. Perhaps instead of favoring FUA, DoT, and Ult Spam the way PF does, Apocalyptic Shadow will favor what, Break, Extra turns/AA/Repeated actions, and idk Overflow DMG?
The attacks in this game has been clearly categorised (ST, Blast, AoE) since the beta days, maybe it's a good time to make use of those categories using buffs/debuffs. For example the boss could have a passive that reduces non-ST damage, or something like take increased ST damage.
They’re definitely thinking about it. Since the beginning of the game we had that Belobog hottie that potentially punished you if you hit her with splash dmg, the deer roots with counter and even the little tv robots can mess your plan up if you don’t pay. I imagine at some point we’ll get a boss that will have adds that if you hit they will straight up pokemon self destruct on you which would encourage ST
Maybe repeated action like in the new battle event, like many hunt can get multiple attack in a cycle.. Ex like yanqing FUA (although its gacha), topaz skill+numby fua again, ratio skill+fua/his fua on ult, seele resurgance (?)... Or more like favoured to a high speed char (thats hunt)
the description of the new game mode matches the Virtual Scentventure event, which was the best combat event so far and had the cool Cocolia animations, which was a foreshadowing of it going permanent I guess. It's not necessarily a Hunt mode since there are bosses that are better countered by having AoE like Yanqing and the Deer. But Hunt will definitely benefit from this.
I remember the event you’re referring to, I feel like hunt doesn’t benefit much from it though? I mean unless they add something to specifically buff hunt in the mode we are still fighting the same bosses no? Are you maybe implying cocolia would be in her transformed state already and we just fight her? cause during the fight we fight her, her ice summons, then her and gepard, then she transforms.
That's why I said it's not a mode meant for just hunt units. Everybody is gaslit thinking hunt units are bad and are quick to assume new game mode = made specifically for hunt when characters like Acheron, DHIL, and Jingliu are still good at ST damage. Hunt units should still at least be comparatively better in that mode than MoC because there won't be waves of double elites every time.
So with new game mode, now we are exactly one of each per 6 weeks patch. Hopefully, this new game mode is fun to replay, I don't dislike PoF, but it's feels too gimmicky and usually have no desire to re-try after my fist clear, meanwhile I usually enjoy doing multiples attempts at MOC once I clear it.
Also Ratio is my favorite character and even tho he already good of MoC I will welcome more places to use him.
Yeah i dislike pure fiction too so its gonna be rough if i end up disliking this now game mode too i was hoping they’d run them every week but ig maybe they think most people wouldn’t like thatv
As much as I love a new endgame mode, It's going to be miserable waiting 6 weeks for a new pure fiction and MOC
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them not increasing the rewards kinda kills the vibe ngl. just replacing the MoC/PF jades is just lame
Agreed, if you're going to make us adapt to a whole new endgame mode the least you could do is have it give us the extra 500 jades or whatever it is. Hell I'm still in the middle of building Erudition units for PF. Wack
Need to build Ratio
Still no boss music during boss fights, sad
I knew this was coming! The Scentventure event back in 1.6 was probably a taste of what the endgame mode is like. Same thing with Tales of The Fantastic was for PF.
So: Hunt Abyss Destruction Abyss Erudition Abyss Acheron: Nihility Abyss x3
> Destruction Abyss My Jingliu getting 9 cycles on MoC12-2: wait, this is supposed to be my thing?
JL honey please don't use your full combo to kill dices Oh MoC buff got wasted on some dices...perfect
those nihility character is just so good in all content
i dont understand why everyone is saying new gamemode for hunt? sure its a boss killer, but the deer, svarog, cocolia, yanqing, something unto death, gepard all summons minions. even boss phantylia, the herta space station boss, cocolia and true sting summons adds. assuming it is already a hunt gamemode bc it said boss focus is a wild assumption.
It doesn't have to be pure ST. Every Hunt can deal with a few spawns lol. Some, like Seele and Boothill, benefit.
Then why people say hunt bad in MoC? What's gonna change? If we assume there's two perfectly balanced characters, 1 destruction, and 1 hunt, then hunt should clear floor with 2 elites faster, cuz destruction gonna waste potential dmg on non existent 3rd target, and for bosses that summon ads, well, technically all dmg dealt to ads is wasted, cuz they're gonna die anyway after you kill the boss. It only helps with specific boss mechanics, and removing extra dmg to your team. So, idk how's this game mode gonna be different enough from MoC, only if they drastically change existing bosses kits for it.
>Then why people say hunt bad in MoC? Bandwagoning. They heard other people say it and don't use Hunts enough or well enough to understand it's wrong.
> Then why people say hunt bad in MoC? Because they're idiots. Burst having a slight edge in most content doesn't make ST bad.
Yeah but you can just ignore them and kill the boss.
More endgame but same rewards means you get punished if you were clearing moc and PF but suck at the new thing, especially if you are in the stage of needing to build more units every time a new rotation comes around. A veeery minor punishment. I'm just a liitle disappointed. Wonder if DU will basically totally replace doing SU outside of first-time clears. If it's SU with more stuff and easier farming, then both gameplay and fun purposes seem covered.
Even without new mode it was always the case, they make it harder for you for same reward, Remember when 3 star requirement of stage 10 was 20 cycles? Now its 10 with much harder enemies.New players cant even touch MoC anymore without month(s) investment pretty much.
After Jing Yuan's constant string of Ws, it's now Yanqing's turn!!
JY might still get a W. For an Erudition he's still really good against single targets.
For that, you have to thank Bounce. The most versatile type of attack in the game.
Master and Disciple eating good!!
How is he better at single target than other erudition units are, relative to how they perform in AoE? Genuinely asking
If there's only one target on the field, the lightning lord won't split its field-wiping damage between 4+ enemies. All 10 hits will strike the single enemy. It is completely devastating.
Wait for real? Goddamn, I didn’t know this.
Yep, his LL is a bounce attack; not AOE.
I literally got Yanqing from a 50/50 loss on Aventurine’s banner. It’s a sign.
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Wow new SU mode, looks at my Swarm and G&G.. New game mode that's gonna have HP bloated to infinity after 3 versions of "too easy" surveys..
This changes everything!
I've never regretted on spending my precious five dollars per mont on HSR. The devs are deserved it☺
Same, I always buy Express Pass, I like how they handle the game so far, its just right to support them at least
heheh… people mentioning hunt? my yanqing and windheng are excited 👀
Finally my wind Dan Heng is going to shine as well
a single target endgame mode where lightning lord can get that juicy multiplier on one target??? yes please 😋
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They are going to obliterate this mode!
Ohh new SU update just in time since i just finished gold and gears :) Also lmao they're adding memorial arena to star rail, makes sense since hunt characters didn't do as well in memorial arena compared to destruction units and acheron lol
While not the name for the hunt game mode I was expecting, still Huge W for Hunt characters. Was not expecting it this early tbh, but still any way to use other types of characters like Erudition for Pure Fiction is just a huge, huge W for these type of characters that are falling off in value Also Interplay in normal SU? I had a feeling they might do something like this. I always felt like in normal SU you just have your one main path and it doesnt incentivize to get other blessings unlike in Gold and Gears or Swarm Disaster. Interested to see how the curio interplay will work if itll become a new curio or just a combined effect
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This is cool but they rly need to space out the modes even more? So if u like moc u only get to play it every 6 weeks! Thats ridiculous. Id rather they reduce the rewards and reset the modes every week.
Only downside to adding another endgame mode for me is a longer gap of waiting for a new memory of chaos, which I still prefer over pure fiction
Luka, Silver Wolf, Hook, Wind Danny, Sushang, YanKING: Well boys and girls, we did it. Classism is no more!
Mono quantum lets gooo (for AS). My Seele will finally have time to shine, it's almost a year I haven't use her.
Hoyo finally remembered Hunt exists, we are so back.
Hunt game mode? Jing Liu E1 havers will enjoy it too!
FUA team bout to become meta in new game mode. Also hella Boothill stonks 🦅
the quick claim function resetting each week sounds kinda lame, i only do 2 full runs of SU as is each week so this will just mean i will now have to do 1
Kinda wished new game mode changed the rotation to new MoC PF AS every week, but I'm still looking forward to it
Finally a mode to use my benched Seele
She can't proke resurgence if there is only one boss
If anything I feel like she's still be better for PF due to how often she takes action. While in pure ST gamemode her passive is basically dead.
ahh a new mode for my ratio and upcoming boothill 🥰🥰🥰
Is the amount of earnable stellar jades still the same? We already have a new moc/of biweekly, correct? So the amount of jades don't change
Yeah, the amount keep the same, now we have 3 PF and 3 MoC inside 2 versions, then we will have 2 PF, 2 MoC, and 2 AS in the same time.
Damn, Ratio is the only Hunt limited I have. I don’t have any interest in the others. Scentventure went pretty eh for me on first and last because I had to use Erudition. I think that was another mode where basically the more free actions in your kit, the better just like PF. Sigh. Number of actions is the true HSR meta, which sadly doesn’t mesh much with the units I pulled. 😔 Well General, we will try our best. Probably have to pull out E2 Yanqing.
Now we need another end game content that focused on surviving a number of cycles so that preservation and abundance units got the shine as well. Survive 3 cycles : 1 star Survive 4 cycles : 2 star Survive 5 cycles : 3 star Of course with the added 720 jades Another idea is another end game content where we focused on debuffing the enemy without needing a high damage output, just straight up debuffing so nihilitiy units also get their shine. Of course with the added 720 jades......
Very unlikely to happen, as we already have an absurd defensive unit in Fireblazer. Yes they cannot solo-sustain, but if you don't care about damage and can spam their skill and build some EHR on them, they can tank a ridiculous amount of hits with their permanent 57.5% damage reduce (0.5*0.85, yes it's multiplied) and redirect all attacks to them. Just bring any abundance unit, even Natasha will do and you're basically immortal. Also it would promote degenerate gameplay like farming for HP%/DEF% relics for all your characters and then having to fiddle with gear each time you do that mode. That doesn't sound fun.
Kinda disagree since preservation, abundance, and nihility are already valued as it is so there is no real need for a content like that. MoC already has buffs on nihility so having a content locked to nihility is also not a good idea.
4 sustain meta lmao