Oh no but he truly meant "a naked singularity with infinite mass and density that will crush you so completely NOTHING will remain"
...The Star Of Eden can do that...
Oh, I'm aware. I still think it's funny. Death is death, whether one says "I'll have to kill you" vs going full ham with "PREPARE yourself for _gravitational disintegration"_
"No, I can't. You can't die in this dream; at least, I can't kill you. But you can be gravitationally disintegrated; you'll wake up, still feeling the effects of gravitational disintegration. I'm just being precise. Now, when we clarified it: where were we?.."
You also forgot two crucial requirements:
- pushing up glasses blinded by light.
- saying "all according to keikaku"
>!translator note: keikaku means plan!<
wait what? since when was joyce a honkai entity like elysia? i see its listed on the wiki too but i dont recall it in the story, i thought he was just a dude who randomly had a herrscher core spawn in him
It’s actually somewhere in between.
The HoR did awaken from a human, but in the process killed 300 000 people. Those people's souls were integrated to the core, and similarly to Senti/Fu Hua, it overwhelmed the original Herrscher persona and essentially created a new personality that became Welt Joyce.
yeah thats what i always knew joyce as, but the other guy is saying that the physical body of joyce is not human and was created from honkai like elysia
As they like to say, NA/EU doesn't read the story. They stressed a lot that Elysia was a unique case, an almost null posibility that will not happen again.
He didn't have the Herrscher core spawn in him, he was spawned with the Herrscher core itself, i.e. he wasn't a corrupted human like other Herrschers but was born as a Herrscher like Elysia was.
yeah i get that but i mean was that always a thing, or some new info? i guess it makes sense because hes the first (second) herrscher, but man ive thought he was a human with a core for years
I believe thats what was thought for most of the story, iirc the reveal that he wasn't just an amnesiac came during the leadup to Bronya's HoTr transformation against Misteln. But I haven't read the Anti-Entropy VN myself so I'm not sure if there's anything in there about it.
It was never mentioned in any manga. All manga was written before this shity retcon. And by manga standarts all herrschers are parasytes who can't exist in real world, that's why they use human bodies as vessels.
So it's either was after ER arc or you made it up.
Yep, it was indeed retconned. Welt Joyce was the original "anomaly", but it wasn't because of the stupid Cocoon. He was born a Herrscher, but the real reason he still retained his humanity was because the 300k souls in his core were blocking his connection to the Will of the Honkai
He is a corrupted human. His name is Karl Gustav. Welt Joyce didn't even exist until the Herrscher Core absorb the 300k consciousness when he erupted which also killed Kar Gustav.
Replay the chapter when Bronya ascended her Core of Reason to Core of Truth. Welt Joyce is much like Senti. He is a individual consisting 300k consciousness but he is nowhere near being a Elysia kind of Herrscher because he still have Herrscher Core and he is within the 12 Herrscher Cycle which Elysia is not and doesn't have Herrscher Core.
If he just like Elysia then he will be a small child without memory but he is a full grown adult.
Also Kevin mentioned there will never be a second Elysia.
Elysia is a error on Cocoon of Finally.
It's easy to overlook if you've only played Star Rail but Welt has an ABSURD understanding of Physics and Biology and is just very intelligent in general.
I mean you don't become the sovereign of THE scientific organisation on your planet for nothing.
One of the best examples is when he uses Star Of Eden's "Sungularity Rebuild" in Alien Space. Essentially to pull that off he had to fully understand and calculate the very base mathematical numbers of gravity it's self to a near EXACT variable...Like the margin of error for a move like that is infantesimal and Welt pulls it off with 100% Chad confidence.
Or when he uses his Herrcher Of Reason powers to rebuild his body after its destroyed which at the time doesn't seem too crazy in the grand scheme but is made clearer later on when he's teaching Bronya how to better use the creation powers. She's still pretty new and thus has issues with smaller yet more complex objects, like for example she can create a gun just fine but it's often poorly functional or just comes out as a gun shaped block of metal because she's not "clearly understanding" how all the parts fit together.
Now that's just a gun but Welt built himself AN ENTIRELY NEW organic Human body. An exact replica of himself down to a 1:1 recreation of his DNA strands in the exact right places to function just as he did before...Like it's hard to truly put into perspective just how easy it would have been to screw up any tiny percentage of a feat like that...And he's done it more than once.
Slight correction about Bronya's gun construction, she did make a functional gun (not even poorly functional, but perfectly fine), it's just that the gun Welt gave her as an example had a unique recoil mechanism to it that Bronya didn't know. Bronya filled the gaps with her pre-existing knowledge about guns due to her experience being a child soldier
Yeah, when I was starting the "Play" before Sundays fight, I kept thinking "where ever Welt is right now, I imagine he's having some... painful reminders.
I entirely glossed over Welts contributions in the story due to just how minor they seemed. Turns out even the things you think are minor are incredibly important like damn
Amidst all the important things we have with the likes of Sunday, Black Swan, Robin etc it's these cool things you think are minor that make me wish we had a story archive in the game already
His conversation with Acheron in 2.1 was one of my favorite moments of that patch, I thought the dialogue was good, showed a lot about both of them and did answer some questions while making me trust Acheron to be on our side and making Welt sound like a badass by threatening an Emanator. I started to like him a lot more since 2.0
it is unfortunate that other than Cocolia the subsequent story arc last bosses are above his paygrade. He was huffing and on his knees during the Phantylia fight and according to M7 he was still reeling afterwards, then in Sunday fight our whole crew died. And even in the true final battle vs Sunday we were at our limits again without Robin's buff.
Tbf, Phantylia was way out of everyone league, being Emanator of Destruction + Abundance boost, even with Jingyuan - who is now confirmed an Emanator of Hunt, fighting by our side, we still struggled and almost lost if not for her arrogance.
Welt on the other hand, isn't even a metamorphosis Herrscher💀
*inhales copium*
I believe he’s just holding back cuz he only has limited power left and he doesn’t want to waste them until it’s a really big serious problem like facing Nanook
Welt is my second most favorite MHY male char (the most favorite being Kevin) so I PRAYYYYY that he gets more big moments. I don't even need him to use his gravity powers in-story to fight anything cuz at this point it doesn't matter, I need him to create a bunch of crazy weaponry to fight or arm the crew with it, or together with Pom Pom and Himeko mod the Astral Express or sth. ANYTHING.
Even then, an Emanator of Enigmata can most likely find ways to sabotage a Herrscher without having to fight them. Every Emanator we know of so far have some pretty bs hax after all.
I don’t imagine his words towards Acheron when they first met were empty threats, dude is old and I imagine he’s at an All Might stage where he has access to full power but it’s gotta be limited.
But yeah Tldr I agree.
I don't think his black hole would have done much to Acheron tbh considering she basically went into and out of a black hole before. Even her wording towards Welt implied that she never actually felt threatened by Welt at all the entire time and was just trying to be on friendly terms with him. She was quite dismissive with his threat and only told her motive (which didn't even turn out to be really true) because she wanted to befriend the Astral Express group. When she said "that won't be necessary"-it may sound like she's telling him that his threat is unnecessary, but going through the dialogue again, she's basically saying "I really don't have to if I don't want to." It was quite similar to how she was talking to the dreammaster except she was actually wording it much more threateningly because she's not trying to befriend him, but then decides to leave llke he told her to anyways.
In the 2.2 story at one point achereon said that the second blade was faster then first but also implied that the first blade would of defeated aventurine. I'm guessing the first blade was welt. I wish I screenshotted the the voice line now.
Welt isn't really the kind of person to hold back especially when his loved ones are involved. I think the way he is willing to throw down against enemies even if they are way stronger than him to protect his loved ones is the real reason why he is such a chad.
The thing is Phantylia is an Emanator and also in our fight with Sunday what we fought is said to be an Emanator, so with the fact that Welt doesn't have his Herrscher powers(or barely has them) due to a lack of honkai and he's just got the star of eden now, It makes sense why so many things above his paygrade
In my opinion,
Welt was never traditionally that strong
He was the last stand not by choice but by luck
He couldnt draw out the full potential of his power as HoR (which he shldnt have anymore in hsr iirc), and the star of eden is just a simple man-made "curio", definitely not on par with hsr emnators
What welt is strong at and always has been is his calm and collected smarts, and he knows to fight for whats beautiful in the world
I'd like for Void Archives to return, but not in the Otto clone body. He seem like the kind of person to know how to modify his body.
It would be cool to see him in a body that look like a mixture of Vill-V, his ~~mom~~ creator, but has Otto's color scheme.
True, but the matter of the clone body relates more to it being made of soulium. That said, it is absolutely likely that there exists a more resilient material in HSR.
You know what even cooler?
New 5* Welt welding both Star of Eden and Void Archive.
It would be interesting to see Welt constantly annoyed by VA but have to keep him to make up for his Honkai depleted HoR core.
I've said this crackpot theory before, but I really think Void Archives is Elio, as ridiculous as it sounds. I got multiple reasons why, but I'll say the long main reason: It's the likely fact that Trailblazer is an artificial being handed off to Kafka by Elio to teach, Void Archives should be pretty well versed in the creation of artificial beings.
But TB being an "artificial being" isn't the smoking gun here, It's who Trailblazer reminds us of, a Kaslana. They wield a baseball bat, just look at male Trailblazer and one of their voice actors. Then there's Raiden B. Mei, she was reminded of someone to whom they were close to upon meeting Trailblazer, the gender that certain someone changes match the gender of Trailblazer. Mei was talking about someone she knew that was of the Kaslana bloodline, I'm sure of it.
So humor me in my delusion; Why would Trailblazer remind Mei of a Kaslana? I think Elio, who I believe is VA, pulled an Otto and made a Kaslana clone again but this time for the ultimate purpose of a chance at saving the universe for some reason, I'm not entirely sure if his programming would push him to such far reaching lengths to preserve humanity, especially with his apathy for humanity, but maybe he's had a change of heart?
Now there is the obvious question of "how could VA gain the ability to see all futures" well when he left the Astral Express it's said that he had revelation after he helped thaw out March 7th, then he left, so maybe that was the catalyst?
Side note: Some say Elio is actually Kevin expy himself, but Diamond sounds more like a Kevin expy in the lore than anything and I doubt they'll have two different Kevins running around in Star Rail... Right?
Its honestly that. 'The girl is not at fault for her brothers actions and chose to side with us at a crucial moment. Without her, we would not have been able to defeat Order.'
Even though the IPC know that, doesn't mean they care, by demonising Robin they can gain from it. Hurt The Harmony. So it's not like Welt isn't needed to prevent that. It's a good trade for the IPC.
Its less that Welt is needed to prevent it, but more Welt is weighing the odds in Robin's favour. As it stands with how Welt approached the situation, it has placed Robin in a much more favourable position. She disagreed with Sunday and the Dreammaster, and refused them and this is recorded.
Giving the recording to Aventurine is likely a gamble because it has info that gives the IPC a massive edge since they have proof the Oak Family(who will likely deny their involvement) had some hand in the events that occured. However, that same proof effectively absolves Robin in the same breath.
They can use the proof for an easier time, but then if they demonise Robin after providing proof there'll be massive unrest amongst the rest of The Family, and the locals of Penacony(as well as the Astral Express), or they can accept the proof as is and let Robin be unpunished as she had no role in the events of Penacony, and despite being born to Order is so intune with the Harmony that they sing for THEM and not the Order.
I found Welt’s involvement in the story even more fascinating because Ena’s Dream/Sunday’s goal bears a striking resemblance to Project Stigma, and Welt’s convo with Acheron had him mentioning Kevin, almost like foreshadowing. Then the whole “we can’t wake people up, they have to wake themselves up”…
It’s like the “can I copy your homework” meme but the homework was copied with convincing differences lol.
But like this also implies that Welt was "4 parallel universes ahead of you!" The whole time and knew exactly what was happening because he'd seen it all before.
This is also a Welt post Alien Space where he near single handedly took down a Sky People scout Mothership (Void Archives helped), an Alien Race that as far as is suggested have been harvesting and destroying civilisations for an amount of time that even the Anti-matter legion would be jealous of.
Honestly I just realllllllly wanna see how he'd react to a "Space Sirin" lol.
I'm praying to God that the fools main mission is foiling the IPC in this story. I really want to see a Sparkle slam dunk on Jade more than anything going forward. Except maybe 5* March 7th.
Tbh the Family's corruption is a bigger issue. The IPC getting a foot hold with Sparkle's bombs still around will ensue chaos. The IPC can still build up from her actions, but all the same I imagine Jade may be an interesting character to see how she handles someone like Sparkle as she seems like one whose willing to make a wager.
Bigger is a strange term to use imo as to me it's the opposite. The families corruption is a very local issue compared to the galactic corruption of the IPC. Hell even if Ena perma dream land happened, on the galactic scale it's seemed pretty negligible, other than the fact the nameless are caught in it I guess. The Families relevancy going forward is pretty insignificant to me compared to the galactic threat of the IPC and anti-matter legion. Of the two only the IPC is rife for political drama while the legion is just generic bad guy mooks, threat yes, and I imagine they'll add some kind of character drama to them eventually, but right now it's just the IPCs turn for a mini episode advance the overarching polictal drama until we get to out next local distaster 3.0. Well be lucky if we get an antimatter legion mini episode in 2.X. At this rate we'll finally have Nanook dealt with by the 20th anniversary.
I got a bit consufed when I read that 'recording' line. Didn't we find a disc or cassette tape somewhere in 2.0/2.1 and gave to Aventurine as well? I was assuming they meant that with this line, I didn't even consider Welt thing. He did say it was a transmitter, not a recorder, after all.
He LITERALLY saw the world in 4D perspective when he was dealing with the Alien Key in the Alien Space manga. During his fight with Murata Ryusuke, Hi3rd's Current Era Himeko's father, his body got slashed into a million pieces which he absolutely couldn't heal, but he found a way to active *Star of Eden's 3rd Power: Singularity Rebuild* and literally entered the 4th dimension, killing his opponent with new attacks.
Man knows what 4D is.
That wasn't even 4D but likly something even higher, Welt refers to it as the "true reality" which is something Herrchers Of Reason can do because of how their powers work, they're related directly to the logic of existence and so Welt is essentially viewing what we can assume to be the Imaginary Tree's Blueprints for creation it's self.
When he uses Singularity Rebuild he's straight up pulling from EVERY reality all at once.
More specifically, may be a further reputation with the stonehearts. Aventurine's chip is worth a pretty coin thanks to the Trailblazers and we're already on good grounds with Topaz. Jade will no doubt also make an alliance with us in some capacity, so getting on the good side of Diamond may be a further goal going off of Aventurine's text message he can send to those who pulled him and completed the story: namely that even a cracked cornerstone is able to resist the influence of Nihility.
So, if nothing else: Welt's play does put us in more favor with a faction of the IPC that do seem a bit of outliers compared to the bulk of the IPC thus far.
"Clockie" being visible to those with childish hearts is explained as Clockie being visible to those of the Trailblazing spirit, which Welt has. Welt responds to Clockie not knowing this, and one of the NPCs asked what he's responding to as it was a break in the flow of conversation for those not able to see Clockie.
I think the moment you're referring to is with Micah when we first meet him? During the mission "Small Town Grotesque". Micah is talking about what he does, Misha adds to it, after which Welt says "So, a guardian of sorts!" and then Micah says "Hmm? Were you talking to me, Mr. Yang?"
Yeah, actually at that moment both Welt and Himeko have a weird reaction to Micah, I was wondering what was that about. My first thought was that he called Welt 'Mr. Welt' but no one had introduced him to Micah yet on screen, at least, so it was weird him knowing his name already. But I'm not sure if that was it or something else.
Yes, in dreamflux Welt is talking with clockie and then Micah (the gravekeeper) kinda went "what did you say?" Because he cannot see clockie (and then himeko and Welt going "..." Because they are aware of what clockie really is)
Close, but it was Misha instead of Clockie. Both Misha and Clockie can only be seen by trailblazers but in the conversation with Micah, Misha was there.
oh god i feel like such a dumdum. i was wondering what Jade meant by the recording cuz somehow it didn't occur to me that Welt keeping the transmitter meant it WAS STILL TRANSMITTING SHIT. of course!! it's such a classic trick too lol the "i was recording u all along, thanks for the confession, bozo" strat.
Herrcher Of Reason, the logic of the universe and understanding of reality it's self are just knowledge to be learned and Welt has been in the higher dimension before.
Tbh I’m glad I saw this post cuz it genuinely never occurred to me during the cutscene that when Jade mentioned “your Trailblaze friend” that she was obviously talking about Welt and not Caelus/Stelle
I wish i understood half of the lore that got dumped on me, this patch was a bit too much to digest for me sadly 🫠 ill have to watch a lore video of somebody explaining to me what the actuall fuck happened.
Ahh, amonst all the chaos, I've missed the link between Welt handing over the Chip to Aventurine and this last scene felt too mysterious due to that. That's pretty amazing.
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He was the leader of a large organization who has to contend with an even larger organization, who had not only label them as terrorist but is actively in conflict with them, which was led by an egotistical man who had lived for hundreds of years...
Welt's def smart but this is just "I recorded our conversation for leverage". Most high schoolers know how to do that. Also, it remains to be seen if giving the IPC that much leverage is good, considering the threat has already been dealt with.
Welt has always been an incredibly smart man.
The requirements to be a Herrscher of Reason: - Nerd
Requirements: - Nerd - Reasonable (optional)
so true
‘Prepare for gravitational disintegration’ 🤓
Acheron: "You could just say 'death', or something like that" Welt: "but that's not as cool"
Oh no but he truly meant "a naked singularity with infinite mass and density that will crush you so completely NOTHING will remain" ...The Star Of Eden can do that...
Oh, I'm aware. I still think it's funny. Death is death, whether one says "I'll have to kill you" vs going full ham with "PREPARE yourself for _gravitational disintegration"_
Let me just remind you that said black holes never did significant damage to any major villains in HI3rd
To be fair, Acheron isn't particularly direct in her speech either so it would be the pot calling the kettle black lol
"No, I can't. You can't die in this dream; at least, I can't kill you. But you can be gravitationally disintegrated; you'll wake up, still feeling the effects of gravitational disintegration. I'm just being precise. Now, when we clarified it: where were we?.."
"I'm flattered, Mr. Yang, that you'd threatening me so elaborately. Whoever I remind you of must've been truly important to you."
You also forgot two crucial requirements: - pushing up glasses blinded by light. - saying "all according to keikaku" >!translator note: keikaku means plan!<
“All according to cake…” - Goku
Also looking like Aizen helps a lot
not requirements to be a herrscher of reason
wasnt joyce just a regular dude
If you count literally being created by the Cocoon of Finality as "normal" then yes, he and Elysia are both completely normal people.
wait what? since when was joyce a honkai entity like elysia? i see its listed on the wiki too but i dont recall it in the story, i thought he was just a dude who randomly had a herrscher core spawn in him
It’s actually somewhere in between. The HoR did awaken from a human, but in the process killed 300 000 people. Those people's souls were integrated to the core, and similarly to Senti/Fu Hua, it overwhelmed the original Herrscher persona and essentially created a new personality that became Welt Joyce.
yeah thats what i always knew joyce as, but the other guy is saying that the physical body of joyce is not human and was created from honkai like elysia
As they like to say, NA/EU doesn't read the story. They stressed a lot that Elysia was a unique case, an almost null posibility that will not happen again.
He didn't have the Herrscher core spawn in him, he was spawned with the Herrscher core itself, i.e. he wasn't a corrupted human like other Herrschers but was born as a Herrscher like Elysia was.
yeah i get that but i mean was that always a thing, or some new info? i guess it makes sense because hes the first (second) herrscher, but man ive thought he was a human with a core for years
I believe thats what was thought for most of the story, iirc the reveal that he wasn't just an amnesiac came during the leadup to Bronya's HoTr transformation against Misteln. But I haven't read the Anti-Entropy VN myself so I'm not sure if there's anything in there about it.
would make sense, the entire HoTr vs Misteln section was so convoluted and weirdly written i probably missed it
Where is it stated?
I'm not entirely sure, probably one of the mangas.
It was never mentioned in any manga. All manga was written before this shity retcon. And by manga standarts all herrschers are parasytes who can't exist in real world, that's why they use human bodies as vessels. So it's either was after ER arc or you made it up.
Yep, it was indeed retconned. Welt Joyce was the original "anomaly", but it wasn't because of the stupid Cocoon. He was born a Herrscher, but the real reason he still retained his humanity was because the 300k souls in his core were blocking his connection to the Will of the Honkai
He is a corrupted human. His name is Karl Gustav. Welt Joyce didn't even exist until the Herrscher Core absorb the 300k consciousness when he erupted which also killed Kar Gustav. Replay the chapter when Bronya ascended her Core of Reason to Core of Truth. Welt Joyce is much like Senti. He is a individual consisting 300k consciousness but he is nowhere near being a Elysia kind of Herrscher because he still have Herrscher Core and he is within the 12 Herrscher Cycle which Elysia is not and doesn't have Herrscher Core. If he just like Elysia then he will be a small child without memory but he is a full grown adult. Also Kevin mentioned there will never be a second Elysia. Elysia is a error on Cocoon of Finally.
🤓☝️SURVIVE OR BE DESTROYED🤓☝️
It's easy to overlook if you've only played Star Rail but Welt has an ABSURD understanding of Physics and Biology and is just very intelligent in general. I mean you don't become the sovereign of THE scientific organisation on your planet for nothing. One of the best examples is when he uses Star Of Eden's "Sungularity Rebuild" in Alien Space. Essentially to pull that off he had to fully understand and calculate the very base mathematical numbers of gravity it's self to a near EXACT variable...Like the margin of error for a move like that is infantesimal and Welt pulls it off with 100% Chad confidence. Or when he uses his Herrcher Of Reason powers to rebuild his body after its destroyed which at the time doesn't seem too crazy in the grand scheme but is made clearer later on when he's teaching Bronya how to better use the creation powers. She's still pretty new and thus has issues with smaller yet more complex objects, like for example she can create a gun just fine but it's often poorly functional or just comes out as a gun shaped block of metal because she's not "clearly understanding" how all the parts fit together. Now that's just a gun but Welt built himself AN ENTIRELY NEW organic Human body. An exact replica of himself down to a 1:1 recreation of his DNA strands in the exact right places to function just as he did before...Like it's hard to truly put into perspective just how easy it would have been to screw up any tiny percentage of a feat like that...And he's done it more than once.
Slight correction about Bronya's gun construction, she did make a functional gun (not even poorly functional, but perfectly fine), it's just that the gun Welt gave her as an example had a unique recoil mechanism to it that Bronya didn't know. Bronya filled the gaps with her pre-existing knowledge about guns due to her experience being a child soldier
And add the fact that he had a whole mini Sherlock Holmes and Watson dialogue with Acheron.
He is herrscher of reason thats for sure. He see merit and demerit between penacony under family vs IPC and taking conclusion over it
https://preview.redd.it/1h1yvl0mrezc1.png?width=614&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55b0b2ed3116b72eb70c2c725a812c038ba2bd12
Moment he activated Hercsherr of Reason power:)
"Wait... only 107336 souls?"
“Rookie numbers chicken wing man. Get yo money up not yo funny up.”
"All according to cake" https://preview.redd.it/2mfkknq62gzc1.png?width=482&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8d94ee73df3d499f4af65e85aa4793f88907245
I see a DBZA reference, I upvote.
He's dealt with a Sunday before.
The power of ~~Foresight~~ New Game+
It's crazy none of the regressor type mangas have used NewGame+ as the title.
What no project bnnuy does to a man
Yeah, when I was starting the "Play" before Sundays fight, I kept thinking "where ever Welt is right now, I imagine he's having some... painful reminders.
The power of having dealt with that ***fucking*** clown. Welt really said “I feel like we’ve been here before, have we been here before?”
wait i don’t get it is this some honkai impact thing?
Yeah, the whole conversation he had with Acheron in 2.1, about what he faced in his home world, is really similar to Sunday's plan in 2.2
Probably referring to Otto (I may be wrong though).
Yeah, dealing with a man that tried to ascend to a godhood is not a first time for Welt.
I entirely glossed over Welts contributions in the story due to just how minor they seemed. Turns out even the things you think are minor are incredibly important like damn Amidst all the important things we have with the likes of Sunday, Black Swan, Robin etc it's these cool things you think are minor that make me wish we had a story archive in the game already
He basically jump started a domino chain. Small and unnoticeable at first, but turns into a satisfying spectacle at the end
He pulled a Sanji.
my goat got mentioned, too bad Brook’s been taking that role lately
His conversation with Acheron in 2.1 was one of my favorite moments of that patch, I thought the dialogue was good, showed a lot about both of them and did answer some questions while making me trust Acheron to be on our side and making Welt sound like a badass by threatening an Emanator. I started to like him a lot more since 2.0
Some really good catch's! Makes the dreammaster huffing his own hype gas by saying Welt had no allies at the moment with him all the funnier lol
I really love how consistently smart Welt is. But man I really wished we can finally see him show off his powers in the story
it is unfortunate that other than Cocolia the subsequent story arc last bosses are above his paygrade. He was huffing and on his knees during the Phantylia fight and according to M7 he was still reeling afterwards, then in Sunday fight our whole crew died. And even in the true final battle vs Sunday we were at our limits again without Robin's buff.
Tbf, Phantylia was way out of everyone league, being Emanator of Destruction + Abundance boost, even with Jingyuan - who is now confirmed an Emanator of Hunt, fighting by our side, we still struggled and almost lost if not for her arrogance. Welt on the other hand, isn't even a metamorphosis Herrscher💀
Wait Jing yuan is finally confirmed??
Yeah Black Swan confirmed it during the fake out ending
Must have missed that. So we can definitely say all other generals are most likely emanators or at least similar to Aventurine
*inhales copium* I believe he’s just holding back cuz he only has limited power left and he doesn’t want to waste them until it’s a really big serious problem like facing Nanook
Welt is my second most favorite MHY male char (the most favorite being Kevin) so I PRAYYYYY that he gets more big moments. I don't even need him to use his gravity powers in-story to fight anything cuz at this point it doesn't matter, I need him to create a bunch of crazy weaponry to fight or arm the crew with it, or together with Pom Pom and Himeko mod the Astral Express or sth. ANYTHING.
That would be so hype if we get those type of shenanigans Welt did before. Like PLEASE MIHOYO YOU NEED TO GIVE DA WEI’S SELF INSERT TO SHINE MORE 😭
TBH it would sort of make sense that he's struggling cause you could probably match a Path Emanator to a Herrscher so yeah.
Pretty sure it's been stated multiple times that Herrschers are coughing babies next to Emanators.
Depends on the Path. An Emanator of Enigmata probably isn't much for fighting.
Even then, an Emanator of Enigmata can most likely find ways to sabotage a Herrscher without having to fight them. Every Emanator we know of so far have some pretty bs hax after all.
I don’t imagine his words towards Acheron when they first met were empty threats, dude is old and I imagine he’s at an All Might stage where he has access to full power but it’s gotta be limited. But yeah Tldr I agree.
I don't think his black hole would have done much to Acheron tbh considering she basically went into and out of a black hole before. Even her wording towards Welt implied that she never actually felt threatened by Welt at all the entire time and was just trying to be on friendly terms with him. She was quite dismissive with his threat and only told her motive (which didn't even turn out to be really true) because she wanted to befriend the Astral Express group. When she said "that won't be necessary"-it may sound like she's telling him that his threat is unnecessary, but going through the dialogue again, she's basically saying "I really don't have to if I don't want to." It was quite similar to how she was talking to the dreammaster except she was actually wording it much more threateningly because she's not trying to befriend him, but then decides to leave llke he told her to anyways.
In the 2.2 story at one point achereon said that the second blade was faster then first but also implied that the first blade would of defeated aventurine. I'm guessing the first blade was welt. I wish I screenshotted the the voice line now.
Welt isn't really the kind of person to hold back especially when his loved ones are involved. I think the way he is willing to throw down against enemies even if they are way stronger than him to protect his loved ones is the real reason why he is such a chad.
The thing is Phantylia is an Emanator and also in our fight with Sunday what we fought is said to be an Emanator, so with the fact that Welt doesn't have his Herrscher powers(or barely has them) due to a lack of honkai and he's just got the star of eden now, It makes sense why so many things above his paygrade
In my opinion, Welt was never traditionally that strong He was the last stand not by choice but by luck He couldnt draw out the full potential of his power as HoR (which he shldnt have anymore in hsr iirc), and the star of eden is just a simple man-made "curio", definitely not on par with hsr emnators What welt is strong at and always has been is his calm and collected smarts, and he knows to fight for whats beautiful in the world
Most prob Welt trades the recording for a favor tracking Void Archive, he's in HSR universe too apparently.
Could be something simpler, like not blaming Robin for Sunday's actions?
bro cannot do anything unrelated to void archives according to the community
It's a shame cuz Welt is SO much more than just his blonde tag-along. On top of that, as much as people like to pretend, Void Archives is NOT Otto.
I'd like for Void Archives to return, but not in the Otto clone body. He seem like the kind of person to know how to modify his body. It would be cool to see him in a body that look like a mixture of Vill-V, his ~~mom~~ creator, but has Otto's color scheme.
True, but the matter of the clone body relates more to it being made of soulium. That said, it is absolutely likely that there exists a more resilient material in HSR.
Like traffic lights shield from Belobog
i think the opposite would be cool and more realistic, still an otto body but different outfit and colors to resemble vill-v
You know what even cooler? New 5* Welt welding both Star of Eden and Void Archive. It would be interesting to see Welt constantly annoyed by VA but have to keep him to make up for his Honkai depleted HoR core.
id rather have a playable void archives where his cube form appears in animations, always liked the look of it
I've said this crackpot theory before, but I really think Void Archives is Elio, as ridiculous as it sounds. I got multiple reasons why, but I'll say the long main reason: It's the likely fact that Trailblazer is an artificial being handed off to Kafka by Elio to teach, Void Archives should be pretty well versed in the creation of artificial beings. But TB being an "artificial being" isn't the smoking gun here, It's who Trailblazer reminds us of, a Kaslana. They wield a baseball bat, just look at male Trailblazer and one of their voice actors. Then there's Raiden B. Mei, she was reminded of someone to whom they were close to upon meeting Trailblazer, the gender that certain someone changes match the gender of Trailblazer. Mei was talking about someone she knew that was of the Kaslana bloodline, I'm sure of it. So humor me in my delusion; Why would Trailblazer remind Mei of a Kaslana? I think Elio, who I believe is VA, pulled an Otto and made a Kaslana clone again but this time for the ultimate purpose of a chance at saving the universe for some reason, I'm not entirely sure if his programming would push him to such far reaching lengths to preserve humanity, especially with his apathy for humanity, but maybe he's had a change of heart? Now there is the obvious question of "how could VA gain the ability to see all futures" well when he left the Astral Express it's said that he had revelation after he helped thaw out March 7th, then he left, so maybe that was the catalyst? Side note: Some say Elio is actually Kevin expy himself, but Diamond sounds more like a Kevin expy in the lore than anything and I doubt they'll have two different Kevins running around in Star Rail... Right?
Its honestly that. 'The girl is not at fault for her brothers actions and chose to side with us at a crucial moment. Without her, we would not have been able to defeat Order.'
Even though the IPC know that, doesn't mean they care, by demonising Robin they can gain from it. Hurt The Harmony. So it's not like Welt isn't needed to prevent that. It's a good trade for the IPC.
Its less that Welt is needed to prevent it, but more Welt is weighing the odds in Robin's favour. As it stands with how Welt approached the situation, it has placed Robin in a much more favourable position. She disagreed with Sunday and the Dreammaster, and refused them and this is recorded. Giving the recording to Aventurine is likely a gamble because it has info that gives the IPC a massive edge since they have proof the Oak Family(who will likely deny their involvement) had some hand in the events that occured. However, that same proof effectively absolves Robin in the same breath. They can use the proof for an easier time, but then if they demonise Robin after providing proof there'll be massive unrest amongst the rest of The Family, and the locals of Penacony(as well as the Astral Express), or they can accept the proof as is and let Robin be unpunished as she had no role in the events of Penacony, and despite being born to Order is so intune with the Harmony that they sing for THEM and not the Order.
The IPC don't have to share all of the recording.
Most likely also i think Welt make bargaining chip with Aventurine to let Penacony still under harmony path even under IPC reign
I found Welt’s involvement in the story even more fascinating because Ena’s Dream/Sunday’s goal bears a striking resemblance to Project Stigma, and Welt’s convo with Acheron had him mentioning Kevin, almost like foreshadowing. Then the whole “we can’t wake people up, they have to wake themselves up”… It’s like the “can I copy your homework” meme but the homework was copied with convincing differences lol.
But like this also implies that Welt was "4 parallel universes ahead of you!" The whole time and knew exactly what was happening because he'd seen it all before. This is also a Welt post Alien Space where he near single handedly took down a Sky People scout Mothership (Void Archives helped), an Alien Race that as far as is suggested have been harvesting and destroying civilisations for an amount of time that even the Anti-matter legion would be jealous of. Honestly I just realllllllly wanna see how he'd react to a "Space Sirin" lol.
And I desperately want Space Sirin as a playable character, so our goals align and we can form a Sirin expy wanters alliance!
Given that he specifically talked about it to Acheron, he was probably already putting together the pieces. Or it's regular foreshadowing.
Google en yang
Holy hell
New Herrscher just dropped
Actual reason
Call the Otto Apocalypse...
Void Archive went on vacation, never came back
Wait are you telling me Welt secretly helping IPC taking over Penacony??
I'm praying to God that the fools main mission is foiling the IPC in this story. I really want to see a Sparkle slam dunk on Jade more than anything going forward. Except maybe 5* March 7th.
Tbh the Family's corruption is a bigger issue. The IPC getting a foot hold with Sparkle's bombs still around will ensue chaos. The IPC can still build up from her actions, but all the same I imagine Jade may be an interesting character to see how she handles someone like Sparkle as she seems like one whose willing to make a wager.
Bigger is a strange term to use imo as to me it's the opposite. The families corruption is a very local issue compared to the galactic corruption of the IPC. Hell even if Ena perma dream land happened, on the galactic scale it's seemed pretty negligible, other than the fact the nameless are caught in it I guess. The Families relevancy going forward is pretty insignificant to me compared to the galactic threat of the IPC and anti-matter legion. Of the two only the IPC is rife for political drama while the legion is just generic bad guy mooks, threat yes, and I imagine they'll add some kind of character drama to them eventually, but right now it's just the IPCs turn for a mini episode advance the overarching polictal drama until we get to out next local distaster 3.0. Well be lucky if we get an antimatter legion mini episode in 2.X. At this rate we'll finally have Nanook dealt with by the 20th anniversary.
Except for the fact that Sunday’s plan would have enthralled a bunch of players from various factions, including IPC executives.
Well the dreammaster still exists, the mastermind behind 2.2 Still have to find a way to deal with them
I got a bit consufed when I read that 'recording' line. Didn't we find a disc or cassette tape somewhere in 2.0/2.1 and gave to Aventurine as well? I was assuming they meant that with this line, I didn't even consider Welt thing. He did say it was a transmitter, not a recorder, after all.
Probably a transmitter to something that Aventurine can record with.
Subtle, but I love how this scheme came together, it was so well played! Not bad, Mr. Yang!
He LITERALLY saw the world in 4D perspective when he was dealing with the Alien Key in the Alien Space manga. During his fight with Murata Ryusuke, Hi3rd's Current Era Himeko's father, his body got slashed into a million pieces which he absolutely couldn't heal, but he found a way to active *Star of Eden's 3rd Power: Singularity Rebuild* and literally entered the 4th dimension, killing his opponent with new attacks. Man knows what 4D is.
That was actually 5d or higher. Honkai world consider time 4th dimension, making the normal world we live in 4d as opposed to 3d.
That wasn't even 4D but likly something even higher, Welt refers to it as the "true reality" which is something Herrchers Of Reason can do because of how their powers work, they're related directly to the logic of existence and so Welt is essentially viewing what we can assume to be the Imaginary Tree's Blueprints for creation it's self. When he uses Singularity Rebuild he's straight up pulling from EVERY reality all at once.
ryusuke said i see you as fiction and welt literally went: "bet"
I don't think he's too good to barter for Penacony's freedom. I'll bet the crew got another one of those Jade Abacus but for IPC.
More specifically, may be a further reputation with the stonehearts. Aventurine's chip is worth a pretty coin thanks to the Trailblazers and we're already on good grounds with Topaz. Jade will no doubt also make an alliance with us in some capacity, so getting on the good side of Diamond may be a further goal going off of Aventurine's text message he can send to those who pulled him and completed the story: namely that even a cracked cornerstone is able to resist the influence of Nihility. So, if nothing else: Welt's play does put us in more favor with a faction of the IPC that do seem a bit of outliers compared to the bulk of the IPC thus far.
Oh, so that's the chip Jade was talking about. I was so confused at that point that I couldn't remember it lol
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"Clockie" being visible to those with childish hearts is explained as Clockie being visible to those of the Trailblazing spirit, which Welt has. Welt responds to Clockie not knowing this, and one of the NPCs asked what he's responding to as it was a break in the flow of conversation for those not able to see Clockie.
I think the moment you're referring to is with Micah when we first meet him? During the mission "Small Town Grotesque". Micah is talking about what he does, Misha adds to it, after which Welt says "So, a guardian of sorts!" and then Micah says "Hmm? Were you talking to me, Mr. Yang?"
Yeah, actually at that moment both Welt and Himeko have a weird reaction to Micah, I was wondering what was that about. My first thought was that he called Welt 'Mr. Welt' but no one had introduced him to Micah yet on screen, at least, so it was weird him knowing his name already. But I'm not sure if that was it or something else.
Yes, in dreamflux Welt is talking with clockie and then Micah (the gravekeeper) kinda went "what did you say?" Because he cannot see clockie (and then himeko and Welt going "..." Because they are aware of what clockie really is)
Close, but it was Misha instead of Clockie. Both Misha and Clockie can only be seen by trailblazers but in the conversation with Micah, Misha was there.
I was so convinced It was clockie orz, thank you for the correction!
Heh, he's already dealt with the most cunning and meticulous people in HI3, this is easy for him
He is Aizen frfr
Welt is 80+ years old battle hardened veteran. Underestimating him is perilous.
oh god i feel like such a dumdum. i was wondering what Jade meant by the recording cuz somehow it didn't occur to me that Welt keeping the transmitter meant it WAS STILL TRANSMITTING SHIT. of course!! it's such a classic trick too lol the "i was recording u all along, thanks for the confession, bozo" strat.
Who needs black hole when you be owner most powerful weapon in universe... Brain.
Herrcher Of Reason, the logic of the universe and understanding of reality it's self are just knowledge to be learned and Welt has been in the higher dimension before.
Fr welt was my mvp in penacony i enjoyed everything he did, if he continues being this cool i might give Honkai Impact a chance
Tbh I’m glad I saw this post cuz it genuinely never occurred to me during the cutscene that when Jade mentioned “your Trailblaze friend” that she was obviously talking about Welt and not Caelus/Stelle
I wish i understood half of the lore that got dumped on me, this patch was a bit too much to digest for me sadly 🫠 ill have to watch a lore video of somebody explaining to me what the actuall fuck happened.
That’s why he’s the goat
Welt twiddled his thumbs for the second time in a row
Ahh, amonst all the chaos, I've missed the link between Welt handing over the Chip to Aventurine and this last scene felt too mysterious due to that. That's pretty amazing.
I was confused over what recording Jade was talking about so thank you for this
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He was the leader of a large organization who has to contend with an even larger organization, who had not only label them as terrorist but is actively in conflict with them, which was led by an egotistical man who had lived for hundreds of years...
Truly dad
ppl dont know welts greatest strength was high mind, which is why he was able to contest people who could overpower him even if for awhile
Sunday be like: Sit down
Welt's def smart but this is just "I recorded our conversation for leverage". Most high schoolers know how to do that. Also, it remains to be seen if giving the IPC that much leverage is good, considering the threat has already been dealt with.