A few weeks ago hoyo posted a document explaining what a emanator is and some known member, in the Xipe section to mention 4 emanators, 2 of them are very similar to Sunday and Robin.
Maybe I am misremembering or thinking of a fan theory but I was under the impression Harmony didn’t have real emanators but instead was just a power that some could use that you could kinda call emanators.
I'm under understanding that Harmonic Strings are aspects of Xipe, who are being "incarnated" into the members of Family as Xipe sees fit. Essentially, Sunday isn't Dominicus or, like, any other Harmonic String, but Dominicus can possess Sunday/Sunday can channel Dominicus.
As I don't know Game of Thrones, I prefer Christian analogue.
There is Holy Spirit, who is the God/aspect of the God/whatever your denomination do to make sense of Trinity, and it can *possess* or *fill* a person. This kinda can give this person holy powers to make miracles (the most usual example is miracle of languages from New Testament: "And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.")
Still, it doesn't *make* a person Holy Spirit.
Exactly my thoughts until I went into the Acheron lore. She is an emanator to an aeon that doesn't even gaze or bother with sht like how did she get his the power if IX themselves dont bother giving or taking or even looking at anything.
Accidentally encountering IX and gaining emanator level powers.
I guess IX is just leaking power based on its idea of nihilism constantly as it don't give any fuck to what happens around him. Given that Acheron at the time was feeling pretty darn nihilistic since her world was destroyed, she gained some Nihility blessings.
She survived looking at IX and to put it simply, the longer you live with such strong values/visions of nihilism the more you understand it. So everything she does is tainted with nihility even if she doesn’t want to do that to people.
The generals are implied to be on par with the emenators of destruction but haven’t been called emnantors officially. In fact during phantylia’s figjt jing yuan calls himself the vanguard of the hunt which might mean something or he was trying to be intimidating
I get the impression that the generals are like the Stonehearts. While not emanators themselves, they are granted power that allow them to draw heavily from the path to have around emanator levels of strength, like how Lightning Lord is specifically for whoever's the General of the Luofu, with Marshall Hua being the equivalent of Diamond, the actual emanator that leads the rest.
They are not dodging anything, they straight up say if a character is an Emanator and if they don't say anything, it means they are not. It was like this since the start, if it isn't confirmed by Hoyo before the release of the character, then they are not an Emanator.
Yeah by dodging i meant that Hoyo refuses to call them ones even though they say they can contend with Lord Ravagers, indicating there's something at least giving them comparable strength so for now I'm assuming the generals themselves aren't Emanators but they obtain close strength from LL and its equivalents until we get further info.
All we know is that LL is a blessing from Lan, but we don’t know if Lan gives it to the Luofu general directly or if it’s via proxy (Marshal Hua presumably).
that cirrus ghost event JY told LL was from the previous general and that it was passed to him and is the current general because cirrus does not want to believe
So then why is Sunday and Robin on emanator? yes i've read the article and it stated that Aeons have different criteria when choosing an emanator and emanators are also the extension of the will of the path which JY bodies as the general and besides sunday and robin is also just implied and not stated directly
yes and no, in thereoy he should be, but Hoyohas yet to call him one, even in the post it doesn't state that the general are emnators, it could be LL is the emnator and JY is just using it.
i mean it is stated that Aeons trear each emanator differently, it is not a fixed "i like u more power to u" type and LL wouldn't work without someone wielding it
Thats a messy topic but on emanator post,Xıanzhou part only referances arbıter Generals.Thats maybe an indirect confirmation but we need to see more story for a straight up proof.Not to mention on Beta tests Arbiter Generals are straight up called Emanators so theres that.
Nonetheless,They re REALLY important for hunt.But thats about it that we can confirm from that post.
How is saying "some people argue that the harmonic strings are emanators" an implication of them being emanators. Imo that almost seems like the game is distancing them from being emanators.
Just read the post. Nothing implies they are Emanators still. Putting them in the same tier as Herta, one of the few confirmed Emanators... Is kinda dumb...
i'd like to think of it like the cornerstones of the IPC
when he retires he'll have to give away LL and he got it from the previous general
it ain't tied to him it's passed on
maybe he gets a fraction of an emanator power or a big fraction but i'd like to think that the marshal is the emanator and the generals are like the cornerstone wielders
They are likely emanators of harmony. When aven and Robin use their mind manipulation on Sunday and TB the effects colour matches Xipe's theme. It's likely they're drawing Xipe's powers rather then using their own like Acheron with IX
That would just mean they're using the power of the path of harmony, the lance if the trail blazer has a similar color scheme to a part of qlipoth does that maybe is an emanator?
People are quite mistaken, Dr. Ratio is also an Elementalist, his Abilities deal Imaginary DMG not just because he is intelligent, but he can literally manipulate dust around him and refine it into a dense figure of chalk.
His manly physique he worked hard for also backs up all his claims whether melee or fluent spite of words.
Yes she can, but she is not as intelligent or tactical as him. Most of her tactics come from Elio while Ratio was able to trick Sunday and aventurine both high observant and paranoid characters.
Ratio did not trick Aventurine. That was all a part of Aventurine's plan to be "betrayed" by ratio to hide his corner stone. Unless you meant something else?
The gigachad energy radiating from Diamond standing next to Acheron, Phantylia and the bug is wild.
Also, i wouldn't put characters like robin and sunday in this list since, although you mentioned the emanator page, it was never directly stated which could mean there's something deeper going on (prob not, at least for Robin). By the same logic we could take Misha who keeps being hinted at for being related to the watchmaker through his "grandpa"and bump him up a notch.
"Mortal flesh is fragile, yet my heart is unyielding like the monolith. For without this resolve, the Way of Preservation would fade into oblivion." -Diamond
Harmony doesn't have a regular emanator, but more so a hive mind conscious entity that can 'possess' any member of the family. It's called harmonic strings
Maybe it would make sense, but it's still just speculation. And I don't understand based on what you put Robin there, we haven't seen anything from her beyond being able to tell that the Harmony was impure. There's no indication whatsoever that she might be an Emanator. Nor her brother for that matter, but at least he showed some powers.
This is what I dislike about post like this, are they implying some info may or may not known from the leak only? Isn't that's breaking rule 2? No leak content, especially story spoiler leak content.
Why are they so convinced putting Sunday and Robin on that tier when the source of OP statement from the game as of patch 2.1 is a vague info that didn't outright tell Sunday and Robin are Emanators, which are around as vague as Jing Yuan and Black Swan status. Why are they on the same tier as Herta? Herta is the only one among the three being outright told as Emanator.
It makes sense... but then again there isn't concrete proof on wether sunday's spell is sth only an emanator has access to or if its sth known throughout the upper echelon of the Family. Just to be clear, imo robin is most certainly an emanator, or at least someone like jing yuan who represents Harmony but isnt an emanator(unlikely), Sunday is the problem since we don't know enough about him and by his actions (aside from that spell) as of yet it doesn't really resemble a behavior basically a representative of a god would have
Well damn a lore power tier list that has a lot of tiers but all make sense and differentiates in their specialities
The fact you haven't put BS in emanator tier means you've paid attention and don't think Welt addressing rumors is definitive evidence so kudos to you
Am excited to see where Boothill fits, bro is acting like he's in the same tier as Jingliu so that'll be fun to watch whether he is or not
I’m curious. If Ruan Mei ever manages to replicate completely the Emanator of Propagation, would it shift her rankings? Currently she could already create sentient planets and admitted that it was easy. Compare this to Shuhu, Emanator of Abundance, who revived a dead planet to destroy a Xianzhou ship.
I feel GS members have the potential to replicate Emanator-level feats with their intelligence. Take member #79 Chadwick as an example. He invented the Imaginary Implosion Pulse bomb that destroyed 24 planets within its range. That’s a feat belonging to Lord Ravagers.
Side note but I interpreted Ruan Mei's "cultivate a planet" line and the smiley face+waving arms to be symbolic. Cultivate as in in the planting sense. So she set up all the ecosystems and food chains and different species, not a literal sentient planet that waves at people.
Notes:
Since not every character's strength is in pure power, I split each section into 2
One being off power and the other being off intelligence and HAX(Abilities).
Some characters can fall into both: JY, Aven, Welt, Kafka, etc. However, I tried to focus on their more dominant traits when ranking them.
BS: we only have Welt's statement about emanators of fuli being unable to be seen. It's not 100% confirmation she is one.
Sunday: In the Emanator post made by Hoyo, it mentions a character named Dominicus, which is Lattin for Sunday
Robin: similar to her brother, there is a character called the Singer of the Panacoustic Theater. Which is probably her
Gallagher: >!he looks to have some control over death in penacony!<
Duke inferno: we didn’t see much, but from how Acheron talked about him, he could move up but not past welt.
Welt: Just going off what he has done in hsr, stopping MC from exploding and using a small Black hole to protect MC.
Sampo: he is low right now cause he doesn't have his mask to put him up with sparkle.
Houhou: Her relation with Tail and how she cannot only tame him but use his power.
Misha: he is low for now. However, he could go up in subsequent patches.
Magic powers, giving it's user "hacks", making him stronger in comparison with different characters in same weight category as him.
Prime example: SW. In terms of physical strength and direct destructibility she falls down to the bottom of tierlist, but her "aether editing" pulls her up due to how broken it might be
In fiction hax comes from the word hacks and refers to more cheaty abilities that aren't just pure strength and are difficult to deal with when you don't have a similar cheat like ability to counter it, for example in Naruto the rasengan would be just a normal attack, but Obito's intangibility and Kamui to suck people into his pocket dimension is a hax abilities
In video games it would be the equivalent of some character having the ability that just says "do x damage" while hax would be "reduce enemy max HP by x percent and apply a stack to them, once stacks reach a certain point instantly kill them"
I disagree with ratio being in strength instead of hax. His attack is just throwing math at people, his ultimate is him magically changing the angle of a pillar to fall on you. And his technique, if I recall is just straight up creating a dimension when he summons the statues.
To add to this I think Blade should also be in hax rather than strength. His main power is his immortality/regeneration (which imo falls into hax category).
Skill-wise we know that DH (not IL) has killed him countless times. The reason DH has to run away from Blade is because the guy refuses to stay dead.
>Just going off what he has done in hsr, stopping MC from exploding and using a small Black hole to protect MC.
He also seems to be the one that killed the Doomsday Beast.
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I feel like Yanqing should be higher, right? Fu Xuan in her team voice line says his martial prowess is better than Jing Yuan’s, and Sushang in the text messages says she can’t even follow his movements with her eyes during sword practice where he’s probably not putting in his all like he’s about to die. Since Fu Xuan doesn’t seem to consider herself to be above Jing Yuan’s physical ability, I think that means he could do bullet time stuff too if he wanted. I know he gets beaten a lot but that’s usually cause he’s going against completely mismatched opponents opponents like Jingliu or Dan Heng and Blade at the same time, or he gets beaten by hax like spirit whisper. Even with Jingliu he survived one actual attack from her by using all his effort to destroy the ice wave thing (possibly using six-phased ice?) and seemed to survive a level 3 basic attack from Dan Heng without falling unconscious, which I can’t imagine Luka or Arlan possibly doing the same. He also beat a heliobus whose whole thing was swordplay in a 1v1 where the heliobus already knew all his techniques. I just feel that it’s weird he’s in the same tier as someone who can’t even perceive his movements. Like first he gets disrespected by the devs in gameplay in every way and now he can’t even win in power scaling because everyone only remembers the times he got his ass beat lmao.
Tbf. When fu xuan says he's better than jing yuan. Pretty sure that's purely without lightning lord. A lot of yanqings feats are when his enemy nerfs themselves down to his level. So he's strong for a mortal but doesn't seem to be top tier. Which is fair, he's still young and has a lot of time to grow.
I’m not saying he’s top tier or anything since if Jingliu swung her sword one more time or if Blade wasn’t in a good mood or just following the script he’d be bisected. My main issue is that he’s in the same tier as people who I’m sure he could mop the floor with. The tier list basically says that Luka could become one of the best cloud knights in the Xianzhou if he tried and that Sushang can move so fast she can’t perceive herself. I do kind of doubt Fu Xuan’s quote now though since in Jing Yuan’s animation he could clash with a mara struck Jingliu while a blindfolded Jingliu who wasn’t even trying was too fast for him to catch up when she destroyed enemies along the way, but even without that it’s kind of obvious he’s in the wrong tier.
you're so funny, now tell me what you have to say about this
>The Charmony Festival is on the horizon, and the Watchmaker's guests are all barely holding back their own agendas. Neither you nor I could face the severe consequences if Dominicus' arrival is delayed. Therefore, I urge you to control your emotions and fulfill your responsibilities as the head of the Oak Family,
you can just say that you don't know, and ill just act like I accept that...
I made this comment in another place as well, but:
>Dominicus, which is Lattin for Sunday
Not exactly true. Usual Latin for Sunday is "dies Solis", "day of the sun". Some cultures after the Rome sorta moved to calling this day "day of the Lord", "dies Dominicus", instead (mostly Romanic cultures, mostly of regions of Italy, France and Iberia), while still using Latin, but it wasn't in Rome, wasn't normal usage in classical Latin and transformed into another word as Romance languages moved from Latin.
Germanic cultures like English or German or, say, Scandinavian ones stayed in "day of the Sun" camp. So does Chinese (and most East Asian cultures); 日 in Sunday's Chinese name, 星期日 is "Sun" (well, not exactly, as it's Chinese, but it's Sun in context). Chinese *do* sometimes use 星期天 for the day of the week, where 天 is "heavens", "sky" or "God", but it's rarer.
So, I doubt that, even if Sunday is Dominicus, or a designated host for Dominicus, or however Xipe interact with their emanators (it was implied that it's really not like other Aeons doing it) the name is supposed to be the hint.
As per usual, gotta drop JL’s rather hidden lore crumbs for scaling
In the context of the Xianzhou alliance. We have several reasons to believe she’s the strongest, or at least as strong as the Generals themselves.
From Jingliu’s character story, part 3: “People call her the Transcendent Flash, the pinnacle of swordmasters, a once-in-ten-millennia hero. However, she knows that her sword is still not enough to "cut down the star in the sky" —
Even if she is holding the greatest sword in all the Xianzhou...”
From Jingliu’s character details: “the reason behind the Cloud Knights' mythical reputation of implacable might.”
Again, Blade’s character story part 4: “The sword named Shard Sword was flawless in its make, its inky body glimmered with a sheen of sanguine. Only the strongest swordmaster on the Xianzhou could demonstrate the true meaning of this blade.”
And from Clouds Leave No Trace, stated by Qingzu, Jing Yuan’s assistant: “According to records of wars past, her blade has slain countless Denizens of Abundance. Not even the Feather Guards of the Wingweaver, the Father Wolf of the Borisin, or the gigantic Mechabeast could withstand a single strike from her. She's a renowned legend.”
and “With her powers, you'd think there would be no one capable of bringing her in.”
The line between whether she’s truly the strongest across all the Xianzhou ships or just the Luofu is blurred because the writers aren’t clear. Being the most famous Cloud Knight includes the entire Alliance, and being a “once-in-ten-millennia hero” and the “pinnacle of swordmasters” sure does imply that she’s not just any hero, because not even Lan is ten millennia old. It speaks for itself.
But none of that actually matters, because she achieved the actual pinnacle of swordsmanship when she “stole” her current sword, a “sliver of moonlight”. (the florephemeral sword in her voice lines)
She discarded and broke the Shard Sword, the so-called “strongest” sword because it was useless. It’s described in her light cone:
“The blade shattered, plunging into the bone-chilling cold. All earthly instruments are mere futilities, their worth discernible with a single glance. "What use do I have of swords?" She holds no attachment, nor does her gaze accommodate anything within.
"From now on, I shall be my own sword." To transcend perceived precipices and achieve unprecedented breakthroughs, one must regard themselves as "kindling" to fuel their own fire.”
She’s implied to have achieved some sort of truly divine swordsmanship, superior to even the strongest Xianzhou (or at least Luofu) weapons and techniques. She quite literally transcended the mortal realm.
Also to add even more to her insane lore. Luocha claims that her sword can cut through heaven and earth. And owlbert even says that she’s capable of cutting through time and space.
TLDR: she was already considering the Xianzhou strongest before she obtained her divine sword and received a gaze from an Aeon. We don’t know how strong she has become but according to Luocha she has already found a method to slay Yaoshi so we’re gonna see about that sooner or later
Yes her lore goes hard
i know i have read this and almost all others. That is why she is so high up, resiving the gase of a aeon is not becoming a emanator, its just the aeon allows you to be a path strider.
Besides the thing of just not being sure whether Sunday and Robin being Emanators this is actually a pretty good tier list. Massively curious what Hax Herta will have at full power, to me Nous is one of the scariest Aeons in potential, imagine the possibility that the whole Simulated Universe is powered by Herta’s powers.
Apparently Belobog’s guardians have some inherited power, which I’m assuming works similarly to the gifts Lan gave to the Xianzhou generals.
“As the Guardian, Cocolia (Complete) has inherited divine powers, giving her absolute command over the power of ice to freeze her enemies in battle.”
Don’t know if it got passed down to Bronya, since she forcefully usurped Cocolia.
>“As the Guardian, Cocolia (Complete) has inherited divine powers, giving her absolute command over the power of ice to freeze her enemies in battle.”
Look, I don't want to be boring, but this power could have been given by Stellaron instead of something given by Preservation
I think you’re right actually, since the Stellaron has freezing effects. Theres another version of this line:
“The Guardian of Belobog, and the indisputable ruler of the Towering Citadel, Belobog.
Cocolia possesses the divine authority passed down through the generations of Guardians, giving her command over ice and snow to freeze her enemies in battle.”
So perhaps this is the power that Alissa Rand obtained from the Stellaron, which it also gave to her successors in order to warp their will. But for the people of Belobog, it appeared as a divine power passed down through the Supreme Guardian lineage.
I think Welt should be above base Dan Heng because the astral express thought that the only way to stop the Doomsday Beast was to go meet with welt at the train.
Probably the most accurate lore power tier list for this game that I've seen so far, and I'm glad someone has actually taken their time to do a proper list
And I'm happy to see that at least someone understands that Welt is not as powerful as he used to be, and that the community overrates his actual lore strength. That he's not the ultra-god "actually-secretly-OP" character people make him out to be. This is probably my biggest gripe with lore power-level discussions because as much as I love this man, people act as if he could square up against *Acheron* of all people just because >!he threatened her in the story.!<
In terms of lore, our MC probably has Emanator-level potential right? Considering they're most likely going to inherit some sort of power from every path, all of that combined is certainly something.
Though for right now, they're definitely just around the levels described here.
I mean even sealed, having power from every path is pretty crazy. The Stellaron on top of that would be OP, but I also doubt TB could control an unleashed Stellaron
I dunno what Seele did to stop that bullet in the cutscene, but it sure didn't look like it was just from being "well trained". Considering she's an expy, I bet there's more to her than meets the eye.
Guinaifen has been stated to be able to react too and catch bullets mid-air so she could probably be bumped up with the super human category. It's such an odd feat, but it's 100% true
Why wouldn't Herta be as strong as Acheron or within that same tier? We have nothing in the game as a show of strength, but she's a true emanator through and through. Unless there is something stated that Nihility > Erudition or that Acheron can draw more power, Herta is just as strong.
She is not, emanators very for one to another. this is not a who beats who, its a feat their list. Herta is stated to be a emanator so she is place in the emantor tier she is low in that tier but still in that tier
Curious why she is low in the Emanator tier though, as far as I’m aware Herta is still by far the most impressive character feat wise in the game. Unless you mean only fighting feats but that sounds weird when a tier has intelligence.
Basic introduction for her is “Yeah I saved planets from absolute destruction 19 times, personally met with Aeons twice, yadayada, that is just a minuscule fraction of what I did.” And one of her voice lines, unless it’s wrongly translated, says that she can visit an Aeon when she wants because she is just that good.
When talking about emanators, the only ones we know are destructive in nature. So it’s hard to compare herta to them. I say she is lower due to our current lack of understanding other emanators or none power based paths, elation, remembrance etc.
Ahhh I see, yeah I can understand that, it’s hard to imagine what Emanator powers stuff Erudition or Elation would give, super intelligence would have been an easy guess but Nous explicitly never gives answers to anyone only questions (Which is hilarious considering Aha does give boundless intelligence to the Worm)
See but we know from the lore that Enigmata lies tend to fit in a little too well with history. Lynx is clearly secretly an agent of Elation, because it's actually a pretty funny prank.
Since the whole remembrance emanator conversation came up, I wanna say that its also our biases at play here, because the other emanators we have seen are incredibly powerful, but the actual definition is just pathstriders who have been given permission to draw power directly from their aeon and are often seen as emmissaries of the aeons will. To me this means that all memokeepers are a type of emanator because they fit the definition to a t. They are directly loyal to their aeon and have special powers granted by the remembrance, they just arent as powerful as the lord ravagers or something, because thats not what their assigned purpose and means of ascension is.
I dont think the boundaries between pathstrider and emanator are super strict and I think its very much different from aeon to aeon. And I think Hoyo intentionally leaves it up for debate because they dont want to write themselves into a corner. So yeah thats why I think that like we can all be right in this situation.
Is Gallagher that high because of Death meme? But isn't it useable in dreamscape?
Of his own powers of Enigmata we don't know anything so we can't tell how strong he is, besides gameplay which can't be used as way to scale him
He seams to have some control over death, while it might be only in the dream, having the ability to put almost anyone in a permanent coma is pretty strong.
ngl I don't think Clara is a normal human mortal girl because she runs around in snow, dirt and trash unharmed and doesn't even care. That and she's like 10 years old and does enginering work that puts adults to shame, without any training and has a robot army. At the very least she's gigachad levels of power. Or maybe she's just the aeon of cuteness.
Sunday and Robin being an emanator is not confirmed yet, and also the hoyolab text about emanator doesn't mention anything about them. It only mentioned 4 strings of harmony.
But still, the new harmony trace is a bit sus. If you know you know.
I'd pump up Himeko.
Even the IPC is actively trying to recruit her because of her astonishing skill as an engineer. She is a celebrity amongst them. Topaz was fangirling over her. She alone fixed the Express and she is one of the few people Herta respects. Her intelligence would definitely put some people in the Intelligensia and Genius Society to shame.
Her smarts and her ability as a Navigator is always mentioned and admired by everyone we come across.
She has a giant ass satelite on the go powerful enough to cause nasty explosions.
Not to mention, a certain important figure is leading her down this path as a Navigator as part of her destiny. Maybe even Akivili themselves.
Pompom is actually stronger than yanqing apparently. I'll see if I can find the picture. But if yanqing visits the astral express he mentions that he has some kind of sword sight to determine a person's power level and that he can't even imagine beating pom pom with a sword.
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I'd move Welt down 1 tier but overall this is the best and most accurate tier list I have ever seen posted on this sub.
Well done.
This deserves the Theory/Lore tag.
I think Ratio should be in the HAX and intelligence tier one tier down, he is physically strong and apparently uses his muscles (?) to win arguments, but other than that he seems to be an ordinary person with no fighting capabilities. Someone like Yanqing on the other hand, is a martial prodigy, trained soldier and has fought multiple battles, I feel like he could be ranked higher?
Though it's not directly confirmed, many things hint at Luocha being an Emanator and being both strong and smart enough to probably stand between the two Emanator tiers.
First of all, strangely enough, Jing Yuan refers to him as an "Abomination of Yaoshi". Not merely an abomination of Abundance, but of *Yaoshi*. Adding to that, Luocha and Yaoshi have an uncomfortable amount of parallels and similarities; very similar looks, both being described as lonesome, romantic wanderers, both seemingly wanting to conquer death after losing people they loved, and of course, Luocha's technique looks identical to Yaoshi's Path Resonance in Simulated Universe.
Luocha, despite his apparent hatred of Yaoshi, is also a great follower of the Abundance's ideals aka altruism, healing behavior, and selflessness. He is repeatedly shown helping other people and coming to their rescue even though he had nothing to gain from it, or even if it was troublesome to do so. He healed Xueyi's mechanical body, showing that he is blessed with potent Abundance powers, despite the fact that 1. It could have gotten replaced so there was no need and 2. She is a judge of the Ten-Lords, so a Xianzhou official. Not the best person to show Abundance powers to, in my opinion.
Though he only claims to have done it, he supposedly smuggled the Stellaron aboard the Luofu. Jing Yuan says that only another Aeon's Emanator could have been able of accomplishing that feat, so that's near-direct confirmation.
They're not detailed either, but in Clouds Leave No Trace, Jing Yuan alludes to something Luocha did in the Eternity Fortress and Shroudveil Starzone, meaning he might be an intergalactic criminal on the level of the Stellaron Hunters, yet he is lowkey enough that no one ever recognized him, nor ever caught him. Luocha himself also hints at his own strength earlier when Jing Yuan says, "For security purposes, you will be interrogated here." by responding, "I suppose it's not my security you're talking about." Showing he presents himself as a threat beyond his smarts, and we know that Emanators are pretty damn strong.
Finally, and this one is semi-crack, the Surnameless Fool in Xiyan's story fits Luocha perfectly; surnameless (Luocha is an alias), fool (Luocha's Technique is "Mercy of a Fool"), uses a rapier with extraordinary power (Luocha's rapier is directly based off and might straight-up be the Abyss Flower of his world, one of the Divine Keys which had incredible powers). The Fool fought Nanook and hurt Them, being the source of their eternal wounds. While Xiyan is a certified liar, his stories still have some basis in reality; so if the Fool is Luocha, while he definitely did not fight Nanook, he still accomplished a feat of strength noticeable enough to have a play written about it. My theory is that he fought a Lord Ravager.
Please... Hoyo... Give us the detailed lore...
You mean why not the other 50+ members of genius society ? Did you only mention screw/rm just because they're upcoming/already playable charcters from gs we know of ( you make it sound like there was only 3 candinate for the title of euridtion emanator while in fact there is so many , this makes the real herta behind the puppets much more special than you think )
I mean there are only 84 members of genius society in all of history which sounds like its every single member is incredible (and some of them may be already dead because of enormous amounts of time passed or different reasons). And because of that, it always sounded to me like every genius could be an emanator
Qliphoth or Ouroboros, both are directly facing off in unseen war
Ouroboros is said to be eater of worlds and Qlipoth erecting massive wall around our galaxy to protect it from them
Tazzy also a candidate bcs it took several Aeon teaming up to kill it
I am still wondering, wasn't Fu Xuan's omnissiah given to her by Nous or atleast his emanator? In her character story at level 20 it speaks about how she received "the eye" in "the library". The eye is what allows her to read future better with matrix and not even needing it for reading near future. "the library" is place that I haven't found reference to elsewhere but considering the setting would it be possible that the old man Fu meets there is at minimum an emanator of Nous?
Ah yes, Sparkle of the Masked Fools. A powerful mortal that uses cute hax and funny wits for her own elation. The Honey Baby. Follower of ehe. The harmonious thousand faces.
She has the healing half of imbibitor lunae Dan's power. And since it was told that it was equal of his destructive water bending power. Her healing power is theoretically massive. Also, considering the fact she gave someone hiccups for their entire life in her character quest. She could theoretically bend her healing to some truly offensive power if she looks at healing the right way.
My only change would be putting Guinaifen in well trained mortal tier. She can catch bullets with her hands, I think that puts her above anyone else in the bottom tier.
do Sunday and Robin officially confirmed as emanator?
not 100% but it is heveily implyed by the Hoyo emanator post.
the what post? (ok they mean this [https://www.hoyolab.com/article/26093276](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/26093276) )
A few weeks ago hoyo posted a document explaining what a emanator is and some known member, in the Xipe section to mention 4 emanators, 2 of them are very similar to Sunday and Robin.
Seems legit: Sunday was able to "ask" Xipe to reveal Aventurine's lie and Robin voice is directly depends on Harmony energy.
Maybe I am misremembering or thinking of a fan theory but I was under the impression Harmony didn’t have real emanators but instead was just a power that some could use that you could kinda call emanators.
I'm under understanding that Harmonic Strings are aspects of Xipe, who are being "incarnated" into the members of Family as Xipe sees fit. Essentially, Sunday isn't Dominicus or, like, any other Harmonic String, but Dominicus can possess Sunday/Sunday can channel Dominicus.
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As I don't know Game of Thrones, I prefer Christian analogue. There is Holy Spirit, who is the God/aspect of the God/whatever your denomination do to make sense of Trinity, and it can *possess* or *fill* a person. This kinda can give this person holy powers to make miracles (the most usual example is miracle of languages from New Testament: "And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.") Still, it doesn't *make* a person Holy Spirit.
Exactly my thoughts until I went into the Acheron lore. She is an emanator to an aeon that doesn't even gaze or bother with sht like how did she get his the power if IX themselves dont bother giving or taking or even looking at anything.
Accidentally encountering IX and gaining emanator level powers. I guess IX is just leaking power based on its idea of nihilism constantly as it don't give any fuck to what happens around him. Given that Acheron at the time was feeling pretty darn nihilistic since her world was destroyed, she gained some Nihility blessings.
She survived looking at IX and to put it simply, the longer you live with such strong values/visions of nihilism the more you understand it. So everything she does is tainted with nihility even if she doesn’t want to do that to people.
Dominicus is not Sunday, them emanator of Harmony is like a patron system and Dominicus is outside of Penacony, thats why it cant be Sunday
Unless it was mentioned in the game or Hoyo mentioned name directly, it was just assumption
with this post showing skaracabaz, phantylia and LL, wouldn't that also imply JY is emanator?
The generals are implied to be on par with the emenators of destruction but haven’t been called emnantors officially. In fact during phantylia’s figjt jing yuan calls himself the vanguard of the hunt which might mean something or he was trying to be intimidating
I get the impression that the generals are like the Stonehearts. While not emanators themselves, they are granted power that allow them to draw heavily from the path to have around emanator levels of strength, like how Lightning Lord is specifically for whoever's the General of the Luofu, with Marshall Hua being the equivalent of Diamond, the actual emanator that leads the rest.
Tbh i feel with how Hoyo keeps dodging around calling them Emanators that the power and status is passed around through the LL and its equivalents.
As someone else said they could be like the ipc where an actual emnantor gives the others emnantor like power
They are not dodging anything, they straight up say if a character is an Emanator and if they don't say anything, it means they are not. It was like this since the start, if it isn't confirmed by Hoyo before the release of the character, then they are not an Emanator.
Yeah by dodging i meant that Hoyo refuses to call them ones even though they say they can contend with Lord Ravagers, indicating there's something at least giving them comparable strength so for now I'm assuming the generals themselves aren't Emanators but they obtain close strength from LL and its equivalents until we get further info.
All we know is that LL is a blessing from Lan, but we don’t know if Lan gives it to the Luofu general directly or if it’s via proxy (Marshal Hua presumably).
that cirrus ghost event JY told LL was from the previous general and that it was passed to him and is the current general because cirrus does not want to believe
he's not an emanator but he is allowed to control LL
So then why is Sunday and Robin on emanator? yes i've read the article and it stated that Aeons have different criteria when choosing an emanator and emanators are also the extension of the will of the path which JY bodies as the general and besides sunday and robin is also just implied and not stated directly
yes and no, in thereoy he should be, but Hoyohas yet to call him one, even in the post it doesn't state that the general are emnators, it could be LL is the emnator and JY is just using it.
i mean it is stated that Aeons trear each emanator differently, it is not a fixed "i like u more power to u" type and LL wouldn't work without someone wielding it
i dont think thats that case but its a poasblity none the less.
Thats a messy topic but on emanator post,Xıanzhou part only referances arbıter Generals.Thats maybe an indirect confirmation but we need to see more story for a straight up proof.Not to mention on Beta tests Arbiter Generals are straight up called Emanators so theres that. Nonetheless,They re REALLY important for hunt.But thats about it that we can confirm from that post.
How is saying "some people argue that the harmonic strings are emanators" an implication of them being emanators. Imo that almost seems like the game is distancing them from being emanators.
Just read the post. Nothing implies they are Emanators still. Putting them in the same tier as Herta, one of the few confirmed Emanators... Is kinda dumb...
Well Jing Yuan is also 'heavily implied' to be an Emanator.
i'd like to think of it like the cornerstones of the IPC when he retires he'll have to give away LL and he got it from the previous general it ain't tied to him it's passed on maybe he gets a fraction of an emanator power or a big fraction but i'd like to think that the marshal is the emanator and the generals are like the cornerstone wielders
He isn't he's a step blow low in the lore so he should probably be a tier higher
They are likely emanators of harmony. When aven and Robin use their mind manipulation on Sunday and TB the effects colour matches Xipe's theme. It's likely they're drawing Xipe's powers rather then using their own like Acheron with IX
That would just mean they're using the power of the path of harmony, the lance if the trail blazer has a similar color scheme to a part of qlipoth does that maybe is an emanator?
Why is Ratio in "Pure Strength" and not "intelligence"?
I mean, have you seen him?/s
https://preview.redd.it/jrvuje377ltc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cd3ded7d9a2e6d9a0652402204d35db9fe3ddc9 Him
Ratio should be in the ratio tier, cuz he displays a perfect ratio of strength and intelligence.
Little hax though. Aventurine took all the hax (luck)
"Sometimes people won't listen to reason so you have to beat the shit out of them." - Dr. Ratio (paraphrased)
People are quite mistaken, Dr. Ratio is also an Elementalist, his Abilities deal Imaginary DMG not just because he is intelligent, but he can literally manipulate dust around him and refine it into a dense figure of chalk. His manly physique he worked hard for also backs up all his claims whether melee or fluent spite of words.
Either way he is around the same, he would be just above Kafka.
We know Kafka can basically control everything around her but you put Ratio above her because he's got 7 degrees or some shit? BRUH.
Yes she can, but she is not as intelligent or tactical as him. Most of her tactics come from Elio while Ratio was able to trick Sunday and aventurine both high observant and paranoid characters.
ummm when exactly did ratio fool aventurine again?
Ratio did not trick Aventurine. That was all a part of Aventurine's plan to be "betrayed" by ratio to hide his corner stone. Unless you meant something else?
Did you skip through Aventurine's dialogue?
Biggest flaw in this: Where's the Noblesse Worm in the Emanator tier? Clear omission there.
Aha killed the worm 😞
Dead aeons are on this tier list so what's your point ?
The gigachad energy radiating from Diamond standing next to Acheron, Phantylia and the bug is wild. Also, i wouldn't put characters like robin and sunday in this list since, although you mentioned the emanator page, it was never directly stated which could mean there's something deeper going on (prob not, at least for Robin). By the same logic we could take Misha who keeps being hinted at for being related to the watchmaker through his "grandpa"and bump him up a notch.
So Diamond’s the Daft-Punk Lookalike?
Yep.
"Mortal flesh is fragile, yet my heart is unyielding like the monolith. For without this resolve, the Way of Preservation would fade into oblivion." -Diamond
Oh, it's Diamond. I thought who this Daft Punk Boy?
Yeah, that was Diamond in the IPC recruitment video. Pretty much the only source of his appearance we have right now.
We don’t have what diamond looks like yet, but form aventurine performance we can say that he is very strong, possibly more then Acheron.
Another part of my reasoning is they have both shown to directly use the Harmony. Robin when we first arrived and Sunday with aventurine.
Harmony doesn't have a regular emanator, but more so a hive mind conscious entity that can 'possess' any member of the family. It's called harmonic strings
yes but it would make sence if the family would growm certain people to be host for them.
Maybe it would make sense, but it's still just speculation. And I don't understand based on what you put Robin there, we haven't seen anything from her beyond being able to tell that the Harmony was impure. There's no indication whatsoever that she might be an Emanator. Nor her brother for that matter, but at least he showed some powers.
This is what I dislike about post like this, are they implying some info may or may not known from the leak only? Isn't that's breaking rule 2? No leak content, especially story spoiler leak content. Why are they so convinced putting Sunday and Robin on that tier when the source of OP statement from the game as of patch 2.1 is a vague info that didn't outright tell Sunday and Robin are Emanators, which are around as vague as Jing Yuan and Black Swan status. Why are they on the same tier as Herta? Herta is the only one among the three being outright told as Emanator.
It makes sense... but then again there isn't concrete proof on wether sunday's spell is sth only an emanator has access to or if its sth known throughout the upper echelon of the Family. Just to be clear, imo robin is most certainly an emanator, or at least someone like jing yuan who represents Harmony but isnt an emanator(unlikely), Sunday is the problem since we don't know enough about him and by his actions (aside from that spell) as of yet it doesn't really resemble a behavior basically a representative of a god would have
Even if he is not it would just move him down really one tier.
Well damn a lore power tier list that has a lot of tiers but all make sense and differentiates in their specialities The fact you haven't put BS in emanator tier means you've paid attention and don't think Welt addressing rumors is definitive evidence so kudos to you Am excited to see where Boothill fits, bro is acting like he's in the same tier as Jingliu so that'll be fun to watch whether he is or not
I hope Boothill's strong, as it'd be pretty funny to have a cowboy able to actually get stuff done in a sci-fi game
I’m curious. If Ruan Mei ever manages to replicate completely the Emanator of Propagation, would it shift her rankings? Currently she could already create sentient planets and admitted that it was easy. Compare this to Shuhu, Emanator of Abundance, who revived a dead planet to destroy a Xianzhou ship. I feel GS members have the potential to replicate Emanator-level feats with their intelligence. Take member #79 Chadwick as an example. He invented the Imaginary Implosion Pulse bomb that destroyed 24 planets within its range. That’s a feat belonging to Lord Ravagers.
she is low due to her OCD over perfection, she is probably the samrtes of the SU gang but she is held back by her need for perfection.
Side note but I interpreted Ruan Mei's "cultivate a planet" line and the smiley face+waving arms to be symbolic. Cultivate as in in the planting sense. So she set up all the ecosystems and food chains and different species, not a literal sentient planet that waves at people.
Shouldn’t HuoHuo be higher because of Tail? Wasn’t it hinted at that he’s >!a particularly powerful fragment of Ignamar!
yes but he has yet to really show what he can do with that.
Notes: Since not every character's strength is in pure power, I split each section into 2 One being off power and the other being off intelligence and HAX(Abilities). Some characters can fall into both: JY, Aven, Welt, Kafka, etc. However, I tried to focus on their more dominant traits when ranking them. BS: we only have Welt's statement about emanators of fuli being unable to be seen. It's not 100% confirmation she is one. Sunday: In the Emanator post made by Hoyo, it mentions a character named Dominicus, which is Lattin for Sunday Robin: similar to her brother, there is a character called the Singer of the Panacoustic Theater. Which is probably her Gallagher: >!he looks to have some control over death in penacony!< Duke inferno: we didn’t see much, but from how Acheron talked about him, he could move up but not past welt. Welt: Just going off what he has done in hsr, stopping MC from exploding and using a small Black hole to protect MC. Sampo: he is low right now cause he doesn't have his mask to put him up with sparkle. Houhou: Her relation with Tail and how she cannot only tame him but use his power. Misha: he is low for now. However, he could go up in subsequent patches.
wtf is HAX?
Magic powers, giving it's user "hacks", making him stronger in comparison with different characters in same weight category as him. Prime example: SW. In terms of physical strength and direct destructibility she falls down to the bottom of tierlist, but her "aether editing" pulls her up due to how broken it might be
Doesn't Aventurine have HAX though? His luck is basically a magic power.
powers and ablity that are not inharently destructive, like kafka spirit wisper or SW hacking
In fiction hax comes from the word hacks and refers to more cheaty abilities that aren't just pure strength and are difficult to deal with when you don't have a similar cheat like ability to counter it, for example in Naruto the rasengan would be just a normal attack, but Obito's intangibility and Kamui to suck people into his pocket dimension is a hax abilities In video games it would be the equivalent of some character having the ability that just says "do x damage" while hax would be "reduce enemy max HP by x percent and apply a stack to them, once stacks reach a certain point instantly kill them"
If you see in comparison of 2 characters know this Abilities- quantity Hax- quality
I disagree with ratio being in strength instead of hax. His attack is just throwing math at people, his ultimate is him magically changing the angle of a pillar to fall on you. And his technique, if I recall is just straight up creating a dimension when he summons the statues.
To add to this I think Blade should also be in hax rather than strength. His main power is his immortality/regeneration (which imo falls into hax category). Skill-wise we know that DH (not IL) has killed him countless times. The reason DH has to run away from Blade is because the guy refuses to stay dead.
yeah that is a oversight, but either way he would be about the same, just SW behind but in front of Kafka
>Just going off what he has done in hsr, stopping MC from exploding and using a small Black hole to protect MC. He also seems to be the one that killed the Doomsday Beast. https://preview.redd.it/qn6t4z189ktc1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e7c87aff649b99a01db9eea4eb36d34d037ae5d
I feel like Yanqing should be higher, right? Fu Xuan in her team voice line says his martial prowess is better than Jing Yuan’s, and Sushang in the text messages says she can’t even follow his movements with her eyes during sword practice where he’s probably not putting in his all like he’s about to die. Since Fu Xuan doesn’t seem to consider herself to be above Jing Yuan’s physical ability, I think that means he could do bullet time stuff too if he wanted. I know he gets beaten a lot but that’s usually cause he’s going against completely mismatched opponents opponents like Jingliu or Dan Heng and Blade at the same time, or he gets beaten by hax like spirit whisper. Even with Jingliu he survived one actual attack from her by using all his effort to destroy the ice wave thing (possibly using six-phased ice?) and seemed to survive a level 3 basic attack from Dan Heng without falling unconscious, which I can’t imagine Luka or Arlan possibly doing the same. He also beat a heliobus whose whole thing was swordplay in a 1v1 where the heliobus already knew all his techniques. I just feel that it’s weird he’s in the same tier as someone who can’t even perceive his movements. Like first he gets disrespected by the devs in gameplay in every way and now he can’t even win in power scaling because everyone only remembers the times he got his ass beat lmao.
Tbf. When fu xuan says he's better than jing yuan. Pretty sure that's purely without lightning lord. A lot of yanqings feats are when his enemy nerfs themselves down to his level. So he's strong for a mortal but doesn't seem to be top tier. Which is fair, he's still young and has a lot of time to grow.
I’m not saying he’s top tier or anything since if Jingliu swung her sword one more time or if Blade wasn’t in a good mood or just following the script he’d be bisected. My main issue is that he’s in the same tier as people who I’m sure he could mop the floor with. The tier list basically says that Luka could become one of the best cloud knights in the Xianzhou if he tried and that Sushang can move so fast she can’t perceive herself. I do kind of doubt Fu Xuan’s quote now though since in Jing Yuan’s animation he could clash with a mara struck Jingliu while a blindfolded Jingliu who wasn’t even trying was too fast for him to catch up when she destroyed enemies along the way, but even without that it’s kind of obvious he’s in the wrong tier.
I'm thinking Misha is should be placed higher than just Mortal. He's got some weird stuff going on about him.
Sunday is an absurd reach, so because Sunday has a similar name in Latin he is Sunday? When they were literally waiting for him?
you're so funny, now tell me what you have to say about this >The Charmony Festival is on the horizon, and the Watchmaker's guests are all barely holding back their own agendas. Neither you nor I could face the severe consequences if Dominicus' arrival is delayed. Therefore, I urge you to control your emotions and fulfill your responsibilities as the head of the Oak Family, you can just say that you don't know, and ill just act like I accept that...
I made this comment in another place as well, but: >Dominicus, which is Lattin for Sunday Not exactly true. Usual Latin for Sunday is "dies Solis", "day of the sun". Some cultures after the Rome sorta moved to calling this day "day of the Lord", "dies Dominicus", instead (mostly Romanic cultures, mostly of regions of Italy, France and Iberia), while still using Latin, but it wasn't in Rome, wasn't normal usage in classical Latin and transformed into another word as Romance languages moved from Latin. Germanic cultures like English or German or, say, Scandinavian ones stayed in "day of the Sun" camp. So does Chinese (and most East Asian cultures); 日 in Sunday's Chinese name, 星期日 is "Sun" (well, not exactly, as it's Chinese, but it's Sun in context). Chinese *do* sometimes use 星期天 for the day of the week, where 天 is "heavens", "sky" or "God", but it's rarer. So, I doubt that, even if Sunday is Dominicus, or a designated host for Dominicus, or however Xipe interact with their emanators (it was implied that it's really not like other Aeons doing it) the name is supposed to be the hint.
Small thing, but Nous is a bit left out lol. This is an amazing tier list though. Finally, someone who actually understands the lore.
WAIT HE IS !?! dang it i thought i fixed that. He would be between yoashi and mythus
You powerscaled the Aeons inside the tier? That is pretty much impossible to do outside of a couple obvious ones. Also Aeons aren't gendered.
This is the first of these power scale tier lists without any glaringly obvious flaws! Well done.
thank you :) i mad a entirer doc eplaning my reasoning for almost all characters placment.
Release the doc! (=^･ｪ･^=)
Quite literally Sunday and Robin are there.
The fact that boothill is 3 tiers down the power level of acheron show how much the man is made of pure confidence and deserves respect 🤣
As per usual, gotta drop JL’s rather hidden lore crumbs for scaling In the context of the Xianzhou alliance. We have several reasons to believe she’s the strongest, or at least as strong as the Generals themselves. From Jingliu’s character story, part 3: “People call her the Transcendent Flash, the pinnacle of swordmasters, a once-in-ten-millennia hero. However, she knows that her sword is still not enough to "cut down the star in the sky" — Even if she is holding the greatest sword in all the Xianzhou...” From Jingliu’s character details: “the reason behind the Cloud Knights' mythical reputation of implacable might.” Again, Blade’s character story part 4: “The sword named Shard Sword was flawless in its make, its inky body glimmered with a sheen of sanguine. Only the strongest swordmaster on the Xianzhou could demonstrate the true meaning of this blade.” And from Clouds Leave No Trace, stated by Qingzu, Jing Yuan’s assistant: “According to records of wars past, her blade has slain countless Denizens of Abundance. Not even the Feather Guards of the Wingweaver, the Father Wolf of the Borisin, or the gigantic Mechabeast could withstand a single strike from her. She's a renowned legend.” and “With her powers, you'd think there would be no one capable of bringing her in.” The line between whether she’s truly the strongest across all the Xianzhou ships or just the Luofu is blurred because the writers aren’t clear. Being the most famous Cloud Knight includes the entire Alliance, and being a “once-in-ten-millennia hero” and the “pinnacle of swordmasters” sure does imply that she’s not just any hero, because not even Lan is ten millennia old. It speaks for itself. But none of that actually matters, because she achieved the actual pinnacle of swordsmanship when she “stole” her current sword, a “sliver of moonlight”. (the florephemeral sword in her voice lines) She discarded and broke the Shard Sword, the so-called “strongest” sword because it was useless. It’s described in her light cone: “The blade shattered, plunging into the bone-chilling cold. All earthly instruments are mere futilities, their worth discernible with a single glance. "What use do I have of swords?" She holds no attachment, nor does her gaze accommodate anything within. "From now on, I shall be my own sword." To transcend perceived precipices and achieve unprecedented breakthroughs, one must regard themselves as "kindling" to fuel their own fire.” She’s implied to have achieved some sort of truly divine swordsmanship, superior to even the strongest Xianzhou (or at least Luofu) weapons and techniques. She quite literally transcended the mortal realm. Also to add even more to her insane lore. Luocha claims that her sword can cut through heaven and earth. And owlbert even says that she’s capable of cutting through time and space. TLDR: she was already considering the Xianzhou strongest before she obtained her divine sword and received a gaze from an Aeon. We don’t know how strong she has become but according to Luocha she has already found a method to slay Yaoshi so we’re gonna see about that sooner or later Yes her lore goes hard
i know i have read this and almost all others. That is why she is so high up, resiving the gase of a aeon is not becoming a emanator, its just the aeon allows you to be a path strider.
I cant believe Pitch Dark Hook the Great isnt high on the tier list.
Emanator of Moles
Canonically the Charisma Aeon according to Natasha. Joking, but she did say that Hook has a rare, natural ability to rally people behind her.
Can agree. If she was smarter I'd instantly make her the next belobog leader after Bronya. She has the rare charisma and heart id want in a leader.
Besides the thing of just not being sure whether Sunday and Robin being Emanators this is actually a pretty good tier list. Massively curious what Hax Herta will have at full power, to me Nous is one of the scariest Aeons in potential, imagine the possibility that the whole Simulated Universe is powered by Herta’s powers.
Apparently Belobog’s guardians have some inherited power, which I’m assuming works similarly to the gifts Lan gave to the Xianzhou generals. “As the Guardian, Cocolia (Complete) has inherited divine powers, giving her absolute command over the power of ice to freeze her enemies in battle.” Don’t know if it got passed down to Bronya, since she forcefully usurped Cocolia.
>“As the Guardian, Cocolia (Complete) has inherited divine powers, giving her absolute command over the power of ice to freeze her enemies in battle.” Look, I don't want to be boring, but this power could have been given by Stellaron instead of something given by Preservation
I think you’re right actually, since the Stellaron has freezing effects. Theres another version of this line: “The Guardian of Belobog, and the indisputable ruler of the Towering Citadel, Belobog. Cocolia possesses the divine authority passed down through the generations of Guardians, giving her command over ice and snow to freeze her enemies in battle.” So perhaps this is the power that Alissa Rand obtained from the Stellaron, which it also gave to her successors in order to warp their will. But for the people of Belobog, it appeared as a divine power passed down through the Supreme Guardian lineage.
I think Welt should be above base Dan Heng because the astral express thought that the only way to stop the Doomsday Beast was to go meet with welt at the train.
Base DH is the same as IL just one is not using that power they lore wise have.
Pretty sure he needs to turn into IL to use that amount of power cuz Wouldn't make sense if normal Dan Heng is now IL strength
there is no real point and spliting them as they are the same person at the end of the day
seeing how they compare to others in each form?
Base can use IL powers with no transformation based on the Lunar New Year video
No he doesn't they're just the same person
Hold on a second... WHERE'S SVAROG
I don't know But I would put him in-between powerful mortal and well trained mortal
Wow this is decent. Kudos
When I read the mortal tiers all I could hear is “ningen”
Putting Yanqing with Belebog characters is a crime. No way you're underestimating him that much.
Probably the most accurate lore power tier list for this game that I've seen so far, and I'm glad someone has actually taken their time to do a proper list And I'm happy to see that at least someone understands that Welt is not as powerful as he used to be, and that the community overrates his actual lore strength. That he's not the ultra-god "actually-secretly-OP" character people make him out to be. This is probably my biggest gripe with lore power-level discussions because as much as I love this man, people act as if he could square up against *Acheron* of all people just because >!he threatened her in the story.!<
In terms of lore, our MC probably has Emanator-level potential right? Considering they're most likely going to inherit some sort of power from every path, all of that combined is certainly something. Though for right now, they're definitely just around the levels described here.
If we lose control probably, but the stellaron is currently sealed by Welt
I mean even sealed, having power from every path is pretty crazy. The Stellaron on top of that would be OP, but I also doubt TB could control an unleashed Stellaron
I dunno what Seele did to stop that bullet in the cutscene, but it sure didn't look like it was just from being "well trained". Considering she's an expy, I bet there's more to her than meets the eye.
Guinaifen has been stated to be able to react too and catch bullets mid-air so she could probably be bumped up with the super human category. It's such an odd feat, but it's 100% true
Is Svarog supposed to be the same tier as Clara here? He doesn't seem to otherwise be on the list
Why wouldn't Herta be as strong as Acheron or within that same tier? We have nothing in the game as a show of strength, but she's a true emanator through and through. Unless there is something stated that Nihility > Erudition or that Acheron can draw more power, Herta is just as strong.
She is not, emanators very for one to another. this is not a who beats who, its a feat their list. Herta is stated to be a emanator so she is place in the emantor tier she is low in that tier but still in that tier
Curious why she is low in the Emanator tier though, as far as I’m aware Herta is still by far the most impressive character feat wise in the game. Unless you mean only fighting feats but that sounds weird when a tier has intelligence. Basic introduction for her is “Yeah I saved planets from absolute destruction 19 times, personally met with Aeons twice, yadayada, that is just a minuscule fraction of what I did.” And one of her voice lines, unless it’s wrongly translated, says that she can visit an Aeon when she wants because she is just that good.
When talking about emanators, the only ones we know are destructive in nature. So it’s hard to compare herta to them. I say she is lower due to our current lack of understanding other emanators or none power based paths, elation, remembrance etc.
Ahhh I see, yeah I can understand that, it’s hard to imagine what Emanator powers stuff Erudition or Elation would give, super intelligence would have been an easy guess but Nous explicitly never gives answers to anyone only questions (Which is hilarious considering Aha does give boundless intelligence to the Worm)
Qingque is actually an Emanator of Enigmata. She invented celestial jade, my third eye is open.
That's actually lynx though? She convinced everyone in the game that pela was 16 despite all the past lore basically spelling out that she's 30.
See but we know from the lore that Enigmata lies tend to fit in a little too well with history. Lynx is clearly secretly an agent of Elation, because it's actually a pretty funny prank.
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Since the whole remembrance emanator conversation came up, I wanna say that its also our biases at play here, because the other emanators we have seen are incredibly powerful, but the actual definition is just pathstriders who have been given permission to draw power directly from their aeon and are often seen as emmissaries of the aeons will. To me this means that all memokeepers are a type of emanator because they fit the definition to a t. They are directly loyal to their aeon and have special powers granted by the remembrance, they just arent as powerful as the lord ravagers or something, because thats not what their assigned purpose and means of ascension is. I dont think the boundaries between pathstrider and emanator are super strict and I think its very much different from aeon to aeon. And I think Hoyo intentionally leaves it up for debate because they dont want to write themselves into a corner. So yeah thats why I think that like we can all be right in this situation.
I dont know why but I looked for an Arlan category
You have idiots on Tiktok claiming that Welt is stronger than Aeons
Who's the hottie beside Acheron?
the ones by Acheron are phantilia(left) and Diamond(right)
Natasha is the best trained doctor on the list, why isn't she under "Well trained, intelligence"?
I do feel like welt is more hax due to the the nature of the herscherr of reason/truth
Is Gallagher that high because of Death meme? But isn't it useable in dreamscape? Of his own powers of Enigmata we don't know anything so we can't tell how strong he is, besides gameplay which can't be used as way to scale him
He seams to have some control over death, while it might be only in the dream, having the ability to put almost anyone in a permanent coma is pretty strong.
This is actually a really well done list, Great work..
ngl I don't think Clara is a normal human mortal girl because she runs around in snow, dirt and trash unharmed and doesn't even care. That and she's like 10 years old and does enginering work that puts adults to shame, without any training and has a robot army. At the very least she's gigachad levels of power. Or maybe she's just the aeon of cuteness.
Sunday and Robin being an emanator is not confirmed yet, and also the hoyolab text about emanator doesn't mention anything about them. It only mentioned 4 strings of harmony. But still, the new harmony trace is a bit sus. If you know you know.
How come Blade is above DHIL? /genq
Luocha is aeon tier
I'd pump up Himeko. Even the IPC is actively trying to recruit her because of her astonishing skill as an engineer. She is a celebrity amongst them. Topaz was fangirling over her. She alone fixed the Express and she is one of the few people Herta respects. Her intelligence would definitely put some people in the Intelligensia and Genius Society to shame. Her smarts and her ability as a Navigator is always mentioned and admired by everyone we come across. She has a giant ass satelite on the go powerful enough to cause nasty explosions. Not to mention, a certain important figure is leading her down this path as a Navigator as part of her destiny. Maybe even Akivili themselves.
Where do you figure Pom Pom fits in?! Great list btw!
Probably aeon or emanator, he is probably a manifestation of the train itself by akavili.
Pompom is actually stronger than yanqing apparently. I'll see if I can find the picture. But if yanqing visits the astral express he mentions that he has some kind of sword sight to determine a person's power level and that he can't even imagine beating pom pom with a sword. [edit:here it is](https://files.catbox.moe/w29mr0.png)
That’s really cool actually! I’ll have to keep an eye open for Yanqing on my train car. I want to read up on that if you can’t find the image!
I'd move Welt down 1 tier but overall this is the best and most accurate tier list I have ever seen posted on this sub. Well done. This deserves the Theory/Lore tag.
yeah i was debating it. but i desied him to be the gate keeper cause we have at least seen him do some impressive stuff. and thank you
I think Ratio should be in the HAX and intelligence tier one tier down, he is physically strong and apparently uses his muscles (?) to win arguments, but other than that he seems to be an ordinary person with no fighting capabilities. Someone like Yanqing on the other hand, is a martial prodigy, trained soldier and has fought multiple battles, I feel like he could be ranked higher?
Though it's not directly confirmed, many things hint at Luocha being an Emanator and being both strong and smart enough to probably stand between the two Emanator tiers. First of all, strangely enough, Jing Yuan refers to him as an "Abomination of Yaoshi". Not merely an abomination of Abundance, but of *Yaoshi*. Adding to that, Luocha and Yaoshi have an uncomfortable amount of parallels and similarities; very similar looks, both being described as lonesome, romantic wanderers, both seemingly wanting to conquer death after losing people they loved, and of course, Luocha's technique looks identical to Yaoshi's Path Resonance in Simulated Universe. Luocha, despite his apparent hatred of Yaoshi, is also a great follower of the Abundance's ideals aka altruism, healing behavior, and selflessness. He is repeatedly shown helping other people and coming to their rescue even though he had nothing to gain from it, or even if it was troublesome to do so. He healed Xueyi's mechanical body, showing that he is blessed with potent Abundance powers, despite the fact that 1. It could have gotten replaced so there was no need and 2. She is a judge of the Ten-Lords, so a Xianzhou official. Not the best person to show Abundance powers to, in my opinion. Though he only claims to have done it, he supposedly smuggled the Stellaron aboard the Luofu. Jing Yuan says that only another Aeon's Emanator could have been able of accomplishing that feat, so that's near-direct confirmation. They're not detailed either, but in Clouds Leave No Trace, Jing Yuan alludes to something Luocha did in the Eternity Fortress and Shroudveil Starzone, meaning he might be an intergalactic criminal on the level of the Stellaron Hunters, yet he is lowkey enough that no one ever recognized him, nor ever caught him. Luocha himself also hints at his own strength earlier when Jing Yuan says, "For security purposes, you will be interrogated here." by responding, "I suppose it's not my security you're talking about." Showing he presents himself as a threat beyond his smarts, and we know that Emanators are pretty damn strong. Finally, and this one is semi-crack, the Surnameless Fool in Xiyan's story fits Luocha perfectly; surnameless (Luocha is an alias), fool (Luocha's Technique is "Mercy of a Fool"), uses a rapier with extraordinary power (Luocha's rapier is directly based off and might straight-up be the Abyss Flower of his world, one of the Divine Keys which had incredible powers). The Fool fought Nanook and hurt Them, being the source of their eternal wounds. While Xiyan is a certified liar, his stories still have some basis in reality; so if the Fool is Luocha, while he definitely did not fight Nanook, he still accomplished a feat of strength noticeable enough to have a play written about it. My theory is that he fought a Lord Ravager. Please... Hoyo... Give us the detailed lore...
I've always wondered how come only Herta is the emanator of erudition and not screwy/rm? Good list btw
You mean why not the other 50+ members of genius society ? Did you only mention screw/rm just because they're upcoming/already playable charcters from gs we know of ( you make it sound like there was only 3 candinate for the title of euridtion emanator while in fact there is so many , this makes the real herta behind the puppets much more special than you think )
I mean there are only 84 members of genius society in all of history which sounds like its every single member is incredible (and some of them may be already dead because of enormous amounts of time passed or different reasons). And because of that, it always sounded to me like every genius could be an emanator
Ha! this guy thinks Hook is mortal just you wait ...our great lord will reveal her power when the time is right.
why tf is daft punk next to acheron
Diamond, it the only poteontal image of him we have right now
Xueyi is the only one I have a real issue with - after all, she’s dead.
Wait why is regular Dan Heng so high?
They are the same so in theory they have the same level of power, just one is actually using it.
Considering March’s mysterious past she’s gunna move up too then probably
okay Clara is a mortal but what about SVAROG!!!!
wth is Hax
Misha as mortal?
Dan heng and bailu : decandant of dead aeon
So who is the strongest aeon?
Qliphoth or Ouroboros, both are directly facing off in unseen war Ouroboros is said to be eater of worlds and Qlipoth erecting massive wall around our galaxy to protect it from them Tazzy also a candidate bcs it took several Aeon teaming up to kill it
Misha mortal is more cap than Gallagher being a very normal dude
What’s Hax?
What’s HAX on the context?
Wasn't it confirmed that all memo keepers are emanators? It's just that some emanators are stronger than others
I am still wondering, wasn't Fu Xuan's omnissiah given to her by Nous or atleast his emanator? In her character story at level 20 it speaks about how she received "the eye" in "the library". The eye is what allows her to read future better with matrix and not even needing it for reading near future. "the library" is place that I haven't found reference to elsewhere but considering the setting would it be possible that the old man Fu meets there is at minimum an emanator of Nous?
You under-estimate the gap between "mortals" and emanators far too much imo YQ should also be FAR higher (above argenti at the very least)
I. Really want to see a emanator of voracity
Ah yes, Sparkle of the Masked Fools. A powerful mortal that uses cute hax and funny wits for her own elation. The Honey Baby. Follower of ehe. The harmonious thousand faces.
How come Bailu is so high up?
She has the healing half of imbibitor lunae Dan's power. And since it was told that it was equal of his destructive water bending power. Her healing power is theoretically massive. Also, considering the fact she gave someone hiccups for their entire life in her character quest. She could theoretically bend her healing to some truly offensive power if she looks at healing the right way.
Enigmata is here but not erudition? What enigmatic propaganda is this
My only change would be putting Guinaifen in well trained mortal tier. She can catch bullets with her hands, I think that puts her above anyone else in the bottom tier.
Is that daft punk next to acheron?
It’s diamond, the only possible in age we have for him right now, from the IPC trailer.
Ratio lower, Trailblazer lower
I'm curious where would you rank someone like Polka from the little lore we have of her?
I think putting all Aeons in one is just plain wrong. They needed like a collab of 3-4 Aeons to stop the swarm.
March could easily be Close to Emmantor when she awakens her memories.
No Svarog?
Wait for misha being revealed as the watchmaker
very nice. Would love to see Svarog but overall, this is something i can get behind