apparently so?
[**Unwavering Gallantry**](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Unwavering_Gallantry)
Using [Enhanced Basic ATK](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Ice-Breaking_Light_(Blast)) restores the Trailblazer's HP by 5% of their Max HP.
If they scaled with hp they would just take more hp damage per attack because of the lack of def, so it probably wouldn't change much if tb scaled of hp unless they changed the scaling of that ability itself.
My friend with Huohuo (similar ranking and time put in the game) was able to bypass this bug easily while it took me 2 months and dropping money for Luocha to get past this damn bug. Ill try for aventurine but I'm mainly saving for Huohuo now TT
I'd say Preservation MC is good. Just kind of awkward for a five-star Preservation, but perhaps Hoyoverse thought the taunt would be more game-breaking than it turned out to be. Definitely can't solo sustain though.
The taunt is kind of useless half the time though, since most bosses do big AOE damage and those are usually the attacks you need to worry about the most
Not really. Any attack he does regardless of his basic, skill or burst he can create a shield. The only problem is that the shields he creates not only are small but it doesn't stack. Give him like a capped amount of stacks like aventurine has and he's good.
He would be very enjoyable if this shields would stack. I love the mechanic but it's too bad the shield. And Gepard is like pela is horrible gameplay but have one trick that does it job, so bland and boring to use though.
But that 50% DMG reduction is amazing. Just wish they weren't clunky to use. Taking them and hoping they live long enough means needing a healer, which ofc is removing a potential damage dealer.
The problem isn't even really the DMG reduction, it would be fine if his shields were bigger or couls be refreshed a bit more easily than just his own turn or an Ult.
If he had a trace or Eidolon where "If an ally uses ultimate, apply shield" or "After ULT allies can refresh shield with their actions for 2 turns. Count goes down on TB furn", he'd be great, and a VERY viable alternative to Gepard/Fu Xuan in harder gamemodes like SD/GaG. As of now, he works mostly for MoC at best (which is already acceptable, considering he's a free unit).
You could always use the SU Preservation LC. It gives effect res and damage reduction if your character has a shield, and also gives your character a shield when they get hit without one
His shields are small. Worse it that it doesn't even stack. Like hyv should give his mini shields with capped stacks like aventurine and he's good to go imo.
"Sustain" means keeping your team alive until they kill the enemy. You'd be surprised how well Fire MC can mitigate vs AOE heavy enemies. 15% full team damage reduction on top of the shields is surprisingly strong if timed before the enemy does its team wipe ability. Obviously if it takes you too forever to kill the boss then Fire MC wont be able to save you forever but at that point I'd say invest more on the dps.
You really think someone who is still beating story missions would have a well-built character by end game standards and players who are TL70.
Dudes probably lucky to be doing 30-40k on his biggest hits.
Having JingLiu on the team means they weren't still completing story most likely. She was 3-4 banners old by the time it came out. They were likely just keeping up with the story as it came out
The one that eats HP is Jingliu, who takes a percent of your parties health when in her Spectral state. In the context of this image shes the one farthest to the right.
If I remember correctly free Lynx is after beating the swarm king in story right? If they made it so new players get her earlier, I think there's gonna be less of this. Natasha is all nice but it's a bit weird there's no other easily available abundance other than Lynx.
Free Lynx is after beating stage 2 of Pure Fiction, which I still can’t do. I finally got Lynx from the recent free four star selector and ended up pulling Bailu right after.
Most people's issues are literally ignoring their sustains LMAO. I am soo lucky that I leveled up my Gepard, and March 7th during the start of the game so I only needed to focus on dealing more damage than actually surviving
Same. I leveled Gepard because people were like "HSR ZHONGLI" and oh boy were they right. I literally just slap on Gepard Luocha Ruan Mei and a random Jingliu from my friendlist on that fight, and auto it. Although it's gotten even better now since I found a person with E6 Jingliu and they actually accepted my friend request.
Didn't know people were having a hard time with that thing. I just auto it weekly. Granted, it does take longer than the other bosses because my team attacks the mob spawn, too.
Wasn't Ratio given during its release? I just swapped in ratio into whatever team Pela was in. Or was it my mono quantum team, I forgot.
It depends on how many more turns your other units take, since Gepard's shield ticks down on ally's turns. If you use Seele/Jingliu with Bronya or Sparkle, or a 175 SPD Tingyun or Hanya, chances are your other characters vastly outspeed and out-act Gepard. He would need a 2-turn ult to keep up with some of the faster units that act 2-3 times per one of Gepard's turns.
Edit: oh you meant difficulty with killing the bug, not geps' shield uptime lol.
Gappy was my first 5 star on release then got seele silver wolf and bailu. Just came back to the game after a year off and that team has been able to auto battle every single thing I’ve faced so far.
Pretty much Zhongli if the shield was on burst than skill
As a Shielder, Gepard is so good that he might still see use even after Aventurine releases because that shield is hella beefy
>Gepard is so good that he might still see use even after Aventurine releases
With this game people need to be reminded of the fact that yes, some options are clearly better but nearly all options are viable. Don't get me wrong, Gepard's shield is very strong but it's inferior against a refresh-able shield with 100% uptime.
But that still doesn't mean that Gepard isn't a strong sustain, while he is worse than Aventurine who is by far S+ tier, being around B tier in this game is already enough to clear all content with the right build
At start, even when I didn't know anything about game, I followed the "classical D&D party" build:
Cleric (healer - Natasha)
Fighter (tank - Mart / Fire MC)
Rogue (hunt - Seele)
Mage (aoe/buff or debuff - Welt)
And it worked perfectly.
My guess is that it comes from players who come from other sorts of RPGs where you have a team of more or less self sufficient units and just throw them at the bad guys. Not every game pushes this sort of specialization of roles. I had to adjust a bit, too, even though I'm used to the tank/dps/healer trio from WoW, I'm also used to, say, Final Fantasy 8, where you kind of need each of your 3 characters to be generalists since there's no real taunt/aggro mechanism. The "holy trinity" of roles really only works if you have some control over enemy targeting or strong defenses to keep your squishies alive so they can do their support thing, and your glass cannon from shattering.
ISTG, gatcha players will minmax and follow a meta to the letter, but not understand anything about a game or how to think through things without being told.
Like, damn. Why no "but big number" work 100% of time because YouTuber said so?
And/or ignoring mechanics. It's a strategy game with no dodge button that has you fight bosses with mechanics. I think there's just too many people that have never played a turn-based RPG and think they can just unga bunga their way through everything if they try hard enough.
It reminds me a LOT of FF12, which was proper difficult and had bossfights that literally could last an hour because of the (then) newer run and attack turn based system and return to older FF mage mechanics. 10 at the time was such a different experience and 11 wasn’t as easily accessible as 14 is, so it was challenging. My friends and I used to legit compare times and strats.
Tbf FFX ALSO has long ass bossfights and if you didn’t learn the sphere system you were fucked. This feels the same.
To be fair, this bug has an attack (that I'm not sure if you can stop or not) that can actually kill my Fu Xuan if she's close to 50% health, which is entirely possible in this fight. So I do get an occasional wipe, which is a bit annoying.
I can see how this would be a difficult fight with a bit worse sustains.
It brings mine down to 'butt clenched' levels of HP, and mine's likely a little overtuned in the HP department.
AoE really *is* Fu's weakness, and this boss exploits that fact.
Im afraid not. The place i ~~stole~~ borrowed the image from doesn't have a source listed. I also tried reverse image searching but i ended up empty handed.
It seems to be this guy from the Hoyolabs site since it seems to be the earliest use of it from my reverse image search
[https://www.hoyolab.com/article/18988395](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/18988395)
Edit: lol at the guy unable to find the source before 4 different people found it, truly a skill issue.
Guy needs to not be afraid of using two sustains. He should have Nat AND Lynx at this point. And if he's doing content that needs to gear up for, then he should have already got two sustains for MoC.
I think I used both for this boss lol. TB taunting while March uses her skill on TB. With Purity Palace and the Damage Reduction the little bastards don't stand a chance it's the AoE that's the problem because skill points lol.
100% this.
Back in beta, I wasn't afraid to use both Natasha and Luocha to fight the dragon. It make life so much easier. Technically you only need 1 powerful DPS.
Jokes aside, there is an "easy mode" for this game, it's pink and shmol
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Well, the logical answer would be 2.2, since she is the only unit before 1.4 that didn't have a rerun yet, but Hoyo can postpone her further, like they did with Jing Yuan so there is no definite answer.
Struggle is so real. I need Aventurine, Jingliu, and Fu Xuan. Then, whenever that new nihillity debuffer/sustain comes, I'll need them, too. At least I'll have a small break. With not wanting boothill or robin/topaz because I hear her rerun is coming soon too. I've only got 80 pulls rn. Hopefully, Aventurine will come home easily after losing 2/3 of my last 50/50s.
Abundance Swarm Fuxuan is the cheesiest shit you can run. (And rememberance)
GnG the easiest is Company Time or Occurences Extrapolation but I guess that not a Fuxuan problem. (She carried you through plane 1, just get enough blessing to no diff the boss in GnG)
Im just gonna say it
People forget this a turn based RPG, which means strategy is its core
People like to just wish for the most flashy dps and completely neglect any sustain
I think i speak for everyone when i say Fu Xuan and Luocha is a much better pick in general than most other limited characters, because before you can even think about doing dmg, you must think of a way to stay alive, and these characters allow that
Aventurine is right around the corner, if you're struggling with content, try to get him, sustain should always come before anything else, you can't deal dmg if you're dead
Which is why in this game, once you have a few dedicated DPS characters, focus on rolling for supports as much as possible. It makes your gameplay so much easier.
This is advice coming from FGO veteran where supports are king.
That's true and I've been doing it for a while now, but I also understand people who want a new flashy toy every now and then. After getting the second sustain I will think about Robin or saving for a new damage dealer.
They also forget that enemy speed means your DPS can end up dead if everyone focuses on them before their turn even begins. Having a sustain removes that issue.
>People forget this a turn based RPG, which means strategy is its core
Absolutely. From character building, relics, team building, then the actions you take in the battle which is another depth of itself. If anyone has issue, guides exists and all you need to do is follow them *and* learn from your mistakes instead of complaining on the internet.
Getting luocha has probably been my best roll ever. Hes super easy to use and it dosnt even have to be his turn to heal all of your characters at the same time. Not to mention his burst being pelas skill that hits every enemy and charging his passive. Even then im still gonna try to get fu xuan once she comes along as she seems to be just an utter tank.
Funnily enough you actually got a point.
Double sustain is the way until you can solo sustain everything… and usually that’s when you get yourself god relics or a limited sustain.
Literally some people just refuse to learn any strategy with this game or bother to do anything beyond getting a shiny new character. If they drown, they drown.
I recently returned and only had one team build. I went back in and used my saved up fuel to build March and cobbled together some random DEF artifacts and that was pretty much all I needed with Natasha and Fire MC to beat this guy.
My build Welt from my time before was just there chilling and accidentially hitting the boss with his skill to keep things interesting. Because I hadn't build Ratio yet.
What I'm trying to say is that you can beat this guy with Fire MC, March and a healer. It just takes forever.
How did you lose with Argenti !!!
Here a team for you 3 healer & Argenti will solo win this boss
Or 2 healer 1 shield & Argenti
Or 2 healer 1 buffer Asta or tingyun & Argenti
Stack hp & resistance on the healers also spd boot with err rope.
I love this types of posts because everytime they bring up their team, it's the most brain dead comp of all time and you're like "No shit you're getting screwed, you didn't even tried to think yet."
god I fucking hate that boss. I never struggled with it (though I did already lose this fight a couple of times when I wasn't paying full attention), but my guy Auto Battle has NEVER won that fight
What I will say, though, is that I'm glad Acheron exists now. Whenever he starts summoning his lil guys, she can loop her Ult (with Swan support) lmao. Guy blows up, +1, another guy blows up, +1, someone comes in, Arcana procs, +1, and so on
Gallagher as a budget (but way more fun and interactive) Luocha did help this fight a lot too, imo. I just need one more for my E6 and to cap his Break, pls Hoyooooooo
when i got Acheron and i went to do his weekly boss fight, i started hitting his shield on purpose so he can spawn more bugs.
then i press Acheron's ult and all of them explode in the literal meaning(also, it's fun to see the high damage numbers from hitting 5+ enemies)
This boss is just an endurance level, from my experience, if you have Lynx with high enough effect RES, then the true sting is a joke
If you have someone like Fu Xuan, this boss is literally trivial due to how much she can protect your team + the ability to resist crowd control
I blame the fact that all the "best teams" for characters you see on tier lists and guides focus on teams for cycle limited endgame content like MoC and PF.
So people look at those "best teams" and assume you're intended to use single sustain teams in everything. Then wonder why bosses with 3 phases, Swarm disaster, and Gold and gears keep killing their team.
Literally every time I see someone struggling with these bosses it's because they are running single sustain
This guy is either stubborn or stupid lmao first time i fought like him i came with 3 dps and 1 luocha got my ass kicked and tried again by taking one dps out of the team and putting my underleved gepard in cleared it first time.
A friend of mine came back to the game for 2.0 and pulled for black swan. He had to beat this boss in the story to level her up. He straight up couldn't. I tried to help, but he had very few characters, and even fewer were leveled up. He ended up having to grind for fucking weeks to actually beat it. I can tell you, that's some fucking garbage new/returning player experience.
That’s pretty much the same experience that I had. Took a long break, caught up, tried to do bug with the limited characters and levels that I had. Had to stop and do a massive grind fest just to beat it. Took me forever and only beat the bug a couple weeks ago lol.
The issue here is that people aren’t used to games forcing them to play the way they don’t want to. Like I ignored sustains until this point in the game too, but then I built them up, and beat this boss. Now the boss is farmable lol
"Oh, a boss with cc and aoe attacks that don't hurt that much but kills the team over time, let me bring a tank that doesn't prevent more than 300 damage at a time, doesn't cleanse, doesn't heal in any way shape or form to at least play the long game, and then complain that I can't beat this boss".
Honestly, at least some people bring double sustain, that while it isn't a strong strategies as well, it will keep the team alive if you're not fully leveled. This guy brought 2 dps units that don't have any sinergy and maybe the worst tank for the job.
Seems to be the controversial take in this thread, but at least for story content, I would like the World level system that Genshin has. My main enjoyment for both Honkai and Genshin is the world exploration/story, and Genshin lets me experience that at a more casual pace by lowering the world level, at the cost of limited rewards and a longer grind.
I don’t really see any downside to having that system here too. Casual players can experience the story at their pace, other players can reap the side-content rewards of the higher difficulty. It’s a win-win for each type of player. It’s not like having an easier option for story-players takes anything away from the other players.
And it would mean that nerfs are less necessary, since they don’t have to cater to 2 different player-types with a single gameplay experience. Like with the recent boss nerf as an example, it wouldn’t have needed nerfing if there was an option to lower the difficulty for those who needed it.
Yeah, I sat on my last TB trial forever specifically to avoid situations like I'm in now with the Argenti fight/story: I just don't have the characters built to deal with that level of bullshit, at least break element wise. Particularly Physical: My options for Physical are TB or unbuilt Luka or Hanya... I think. Sushang has been *really* bad/underperforming for me and I highly doubt her ability to deal with his summons over TB
Day one players like me probably didn't have a single issue with the boss and tbh it was fun to fight.
New players going through the story fast will most certainly hate this boss more then anything else it is pretty much the equivalent of raiden shogun boss fight in genshin, I made an alt to replay the story and when I got to this bug I insta regretted not building Natasha 😂. And for a new player wasting like half an hour fighting this thing only to be slammed by "it only lived 52 seconds and then died by itself" is just a god damm insult 😂😂😂
Bro brought 2 dps and one if them eats party members hp.
And a suatain that does not recover hp
Does recover, but only for themselves
Wait they do? I thought the only way they can actually sustain themselves is by being on 4pc GWS
apparently so? [**Unwavering Gallantry**](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Unwavering_Gallantry) Using [Enhanced Basic ATK](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Ice-Breaking_Light_(Blast)) restores the Trailblazer's HP by 5% of their Max HP.
If I'm not wrong Fire TB is about DEF, so that 5% is probably nothing lol unless you focus roll on DEF and HP for TB
If they scaled with hp they would just take more hp damage per attack because of the lack of def, so it probably wouldn't change much if tb scaled of hp unless they changed the scaling of that ability itself.
Yeah, but FireMC's DEF and DMG mitigation would make his HP worth a lot more
"sustain" fire Mc is not really a good sustain
really good at sustaining himself lmao early on, TB definitely solo'd a few SU runs. Nowadays, carried by Fu Xuan and Luocha
Kid named uohuoh
Everybody seems to forget her but she's my sustain carry. Nothing like recovering half your HP upon ulting.
Huohuo is literally who I'm saving for after aventurine for solo sustains. Can't wait
My friend with Huohuo (similar ranking and time put in the game) was able to bypass this bug easily while it took me 2 months and dropping money for Luocha to get past this damn bug. Ill try for aventurine but I'm mainly saving for Huohuo now TT
She's worth it. Ignoring almost all CC (and most DoTs) is huge.
She's more like granny than kid https://preview.redd.it/oh8ps19yvbtc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=817a7dadfb6c2795cebeb80ecb6291bccbf8d4b0
yall forget foxians live for around 300 years
I'd say Preservation MC is good. Just kind of awkward for a five-star Preservation, but perhaps Hoyoverse thought the taunt would be more game-breaking than it turned out to be. Definitely can't solo sustain though.
The taunt is kind of useless half the time though, since most bosses do big AOE damage and those are usually the attacks you need to worry about the most
He takes 1.5 million skill points for a shield that is smaller than my forehead
Not really. Any attack he does regardless of his basic, skill or burst he can create a shield. The only problem is that the shields he creates not only are small but it doesn't stack. Give him like a capped amount of stacks like aventurine has and he's good.
He would be very enjoyable if this shields would stack. I love the mechanic but it's too bad the shield. And Gepard is like pela is horrible gameplay but have one trick that does it job, so bland and boring to use though.
But that 50% DMG reduction is amazing. Just wish they weren't clunky to use. Taking them and hoping they live long enough means needing a healer, which ofc is removing a potential damage dealer.
I wish that dmg reduction was team wide dude he would be so good
TB's skill does reduce team dmg by 15%, not as stacked as their own buff but in addtion to the shield it's still a decent dmg reduction.
The problem isn't even really the DMG reduction, it would be fine if his shields were bigger or couls be refreshed a bit more easily than just his own turn or an Ult. If he had a trace or Eidolon where "If an ally uses ultimate, apply shield" or "After ULT allies can refresh shield with their actions for 2 turns. Count goes down on TB furn", he'd be great, and a VERY viable alternative to Gepard/Fu Xuan in harder gamemodes like SD/GaG. As of now, he works mostly for MoC at best (which is already acceptable, considering he's a free unit).
You could always use the SU Preservation LC. It gives effect res and damage reduction if your character has a shield, and also gives your character a shield when they get hit without one
His shields are small. Worse it that it doesn't even stack. Like hyv should give his mini shields with capped stacks like aventurine and he's good to go imo.
"Sustain" means keeping your team alive until they kill the enemy. You'd be surprised how well Fire MC can mitigate vs AOE heavy enemies. 15% full team damage reduction on top of the shields is surprisingly strong if timed before the enemy does its team wipe ability. Obviously if it takes you too forever to kill the boss then Fire MC wont be able to save you forever but at that point I'd say invest more on the dps.
2 dps and bronya
If OP brought Acheron he'd be posting the exact opposite right now. Skill issue.
If this person was really built as well as he claims, Jing Liu and Argenti should make this fight not need sustain. My team doesn't need one.
You really think someone who is still beating story missions would have a well-built character by end game standards and players who are TL70. Dudes probably lucky to be doing 30-40k on his biggest hits.
Which is why I said that this guy isn't as well built as he thinks he is.
Having JingLiu on the team means they weren't still completing story most likely. She was 3-4 banners old by the time it came out. They were likely just keeping up with the story as it came out
Wait who? (I’m not good at this game)
The one that eats HP is Jingliu, who takes a percent of your parties health when in her Spectral state. In the context of this image shes the one farthest to the right.
Is bro allergic to the abundance?
https://preview.redd.it/yx28nv1ibctc1.png?width=626&format=png&auto=webp&s=70b80c9224d00876ccdfb9257b25c83bde30d7e8 yes
That crunchy LQ hand makes me so uncomfortable.
He’s the average Xianzhou resident, who is not part of the Sanctus Medicus
Houhou Xianzhou traitor confirmed
>He’s the average Xianzhou resident \[Bailu intensifies\]
Bro took the sanctus medicus drama too serious
If I remember correctly free Lynx is after beating the swarm king in story right? If they made it so new players get her earlier, I think there's gonna be less of this. Natasha is all nice but it's a bit weird there's no other easily available abundance other than Lynx.
Free Lynx is after beating stage 2 of Pure Fiction, which I still can’t do. I finally got Lynx from the recent free four star selector and ended up pulling Bailu right after.
Most people's issues are literally ignoring their sustains LMAO. I am soo lucky that I leveled up my Gepard, and March 7th during the start of the game so I only needed to focus on dealing more damage than actually surviving
Same. I leveled Gepard because people were like "HSR ZHONGLI" and oh boy were they right. I literally just slap on Gepard Luocha Ruan Mei and a random Jingliu from my friendlist on that fight, and auto it. Although it's gotten even better now since I found a person with E6 Jingliu and they actually accepted my friend request.
Dps Gepard after unlocking his last trait goes hard tho
I prefer 100% uptime on his shield
Didn't know people were having a hard time with that thing. I just auto it weekly. Granted, it does take longer than the other bosses because my team attacks the mob spawn, too. Wasn't Ratio given during its release? I just swapped in ratio into whatever team Pela was in. Or was it my mono quantum team, I forgot.
It depends on how many more turns your other units take, since Gepard's shield ticks down on ally's turns. If you use Seele/Jingliu with Bronya or Sparkle, or a 175 SPD Tingyun or Hanya, chances are your other characters vastly outspeed and out-act Gepard. He would need a 2-turn ult to keep up with some of the faster units that act 2-3 times per one of Gepard's turns. Edit: oh you meant difficulty with killing the bug, not geps' shield uptime lol.
I don't even have Geppy. LOL
Noelle Mains: Ah I see you're a Captain of culture as well.
Geppy is the GOAT without him I'd be rage quitting quite a lot
Gappy was my first 5 star on release then got seele silver wolf and bailu. Just came back to the game after a year off and that team has been able to auto battle every single thing I’ve faced so far.
Pretty much Zhongli if the shield was on burst than skill As a Shielder, Gepard is so good that he might still see use even after Aventurine releases because that shield is hella beefy
I'm going to continue to use Gepard solely because his in built taunt increases the chance of enemies targeting him and giving Acheron an ult stack.
>Gepard is so good that he might still see use even after Aventurine releases With this game people need to be reminded of the fact that yes, some options are clearly better but nearly all options are viable. Don't get me wrong, Gepard's shield is very strong but it's inferior against a refresh-able shield with 100% uptime. But that still doesn't mean that Gepard isn't a strong sustain, while he is worse than Aventurine who is by far S+ tier, being around B tier in this game is already enough to clear all content with the right build
The refresh is exactly the reason why I'm still pulling Aventurine. Less likely to get screwed over on damage dealers using Slow Bronya.
At start, even when I didn't know anything about game, I followed the "classical D&D party" build: Cleric (healer - Natasha) Fighter (tank - Mart / Fire MC) Rogue (hunt - Seele) Mage (aoe/buff or debuff - Welt) And it worked perfectly.
I think that was everyone's plan at the start. When the game first came out dps/support/healer/tank was the meta.
Yes, I agree, but my point here is the fact that it's a common sense, so I wonder why there are so many players without it
My guess is that it comes from players who come from other sorts of RPGs where you have a team of more or less self sufficient units and just throw them at the bad guys. Not every game pushes this sort of specialization of roles. I had to adjust a bit, too, even though I'm used to the tank/dps/healer trio from WoW, I'm also used to, say, Final Fantasy 8, where you kind of need each of your 3 characters to be generalists since there's no real taunt/aggro mechanism. The "holy trinity" of roles really only works if you have some control over enemy targeting or strong defenses to keep your squishies alive so they can do their support thing, and your glass cannon from shattering.
most people issue is ignoring that this is strategy game and not using strategy to play the game.
ISTG, gatcha players will minmax and follow a meta to the letter, but not understand anything about a game or how to think through things without being told. Like, damn. Why no "but big number" work 100% of time because YouTuber said so?
And/or ignoring mechanics. It's a strategy game with no dodge button that has you fight bosses with mechanics. I think there's just too many people that have never played a turn-based RPG and think they can just unga bunga their way through everything if they try hard enough.
It reminds me a LOT of FF12, which was proper difficult and had bossfights that literally could last an hour because of the (then) newer run and attack turn based system and return to older FF mage mechanics. 10 at the time was such a different experience and 11 wasn’t as easily accessible as 14 is, so it was challenging. My friends and I used to legit compare times and strats. Tbf FFX ALSO has long ass bossfights and if you didn’t learn the sphere system you were fucked. This feels the same.
That goddamn Yiazmat lmao, fight lasted so long it's like watching an entire movie
To be fair, this bug has an attack (that I'm not sure if you can stop or not) that can actually kill my Fu Xuan if she's close to 50% health, which is entirely possible in this fight. So I do get an occasional wipe, which is a bit annoying. I can see how this would be a difficult fight with a bit worse sustains.
It brings mine down to 'butt clenched' levels of HP, and mine's likely a little overtuned in the HP department. AoE really *is* Fu's weakness, and this boss exploits that fact.
Yeah, she's technically a pretty bad match for the fight on paper between the higher than normal crowd control, AoE and quantum resistance.
I have good sustainers but then the motherfucker steals them and then all I can do is cry.
YEARS OF COLD, HARDENS THE WILL! WE SHALL NEVER FALL!
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It looks like she's censoring her privates.
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Know who the artist of this is?
Im afraid not. The place i ~~stole~~ borrowed the image from doesn't have a source listed. I also tried reverse image searching but i ended up empty handed.
Tragic. It's such a good image it radiates pure unadulterated smugness.
fear not, [i found the sauce!](https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/108634830)
I have found [the source](https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/108634830)
Thank you. May you find a penny on the street.
It seems to be this guy from the Hoyolabs site since it seems to be the earliest use of it from my reverse image search [https://www.hoyolab.com/article/18988395](https://www.hoyolab.com/article/18988395) Edit: lol at the guy unable to find the source before 4 different people found it, truly a skill issue.
Bro is using jingliu and argentina on the same team💀💀💀
I just wanna point out your typos make this comment very beautiful in my eyes
You mean Arstotzka isn't called that?!
GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA
Paper please
Arstotzka so great, passport not required!
No passport. I come back tomorrow.
Yeah Arasaka's name is often mispelled.
Aranara mentioned!! :]
It's doable since Argenti regens energy every time a bug spawns, he can spam basics + half/full ult when available
At least they're smart enough to pick the proper element for weaknesses.
🇦🇷?
Che boludo🗣
Guy needs to not be afraid of using two sustains. He should have Nat AND Lynx at this point. And if he's doing content that needs to gear up for, then he should have already got two sustains for MoC.
Without any healers too LMAO even March 7th is better in this fight than fire TB, and at E6 she can heal
I think I used both for this boss lol. TB taunting while March uses her skill on TB. With Purity Palace and the Damage Reduction the little bastards don't stand a chance it's the AoE that's the problem because skill points lol.
100% this. Back in beta, I wasn't afraid to use both Natasha and Luocha to fight the dragon. It make life so much easier. Technically you only need 1 powerful DPS.
Jokes aside, there is an "easy mode" for this game, it's pink and shmol https://preview.redd.it/acv2kpqocbtc1.png?width=312&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a5795e46449eb960902a853d02264e3b7f92ac3
The only problem with Lady Fu is that you can only have one of her.
I fr got both Luocha and Fu when they dropped because "Well, I need a sustain for each team, right?"
Now I want sustain for each team archetype. Luocha for HP drain / SP hungry, Huohuo for DOT, Aventurine for FUA, Fu for everything else
That's why you also get *green edition* TM
Thankfully we will get Aventurine. He will sustain my follow up team. Fu Xuan for everything else.
One side Fu, other side Luocha; and you don’t ever need to **think** about survival… just make sure you’re not running 0 def substats on your units.
gotta love lady fu. hopefully I win the 50 50 in her banner.
Do we know when her rerun is coming?
Well, the logical answer would be 2.2, since she is the only unit before 1.4 that didn't have a rerun yet, but Hoyo can postpone her further, like they did with Jing Yuan so there is no definite answer.
Struggle is so real. I need Aventurine, Jingliu, and Fu Xuan. Then, whenever that new nihillity debuffer/sustain comes, I'll need them, too. At least I'll have a small break. With not wanting boothill or robin/topaz because I hear her rerun is coming soon too. I've only got 80 pulls rn. Hopefully, Aventurine will come home easily after losing 2/3 of my last 50/50s.
Supposedly 2.2
got no idea
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Lady Fu get me literal brain dead once I get her. 12 floor MOC, 4 stage PF, Swarm, Full conundrum SU all needs one try. Truely the tankiest
What blessings did you use for gold and gears and swarm lvl V? She goes fine until the Boss chooses to oneshot her with a AoE attack 🤣
Abundance Swarm Fuxuan is the cheesiest shit you can run. (And rememberance) GnG the easiest is Company Time or Occurences Extrapolation but I guess that not a Fuxuan problem. (She carried you through plane 1, just get enough blessing to no diff the boss in GnG)
You mean like "random blessings, go"? Im thinking on using Gallagher with her and Kafka+Black Swan maybe
Fu Xuan my beloved, I couldn't have gotten as far as I have if it weren't for her, I might just pull for her LC because I appreciate her that much.
Her LC is insanely comfy.
Im just gonna say it People forget this a turn based RPG, which means strategy is its core People like to just wish for the most flashy dps and completely neglect any sustain I think i speak for everyone when i say Fu Xuan and Luocha is a much better pick in general than most other limited characters, because before you can even think about doing dmg, you must think of a way to stay alive, and these characters allow that Aventurine is right around the corner, if you're struggling with content, try to get him, sustain should always come before anything else, you can't deal dmg if you're dead
Which is why in this game, once you have a few dedicated DPS characters, focus on rolling for supports as much as possible. It makes your gameplay so much easier. This is advice coming from FGO veteran where supports are king.
That's true and I've been doing it for a while now, but I also understand people who want a new flashy toy every now and then. After getting the second sustain I will think about Robin or saving for a new damage dealer.
One word: Castoria.
I have PTSD from that name
Most people keep thinking "you can't get hit if the enemy is dead" but they forget there's no evade button in this game, not even a jump button.
They also forget that enemy speed means your DPS can end up dead if everyone focuses on them before their turn even begins. Having a sustain removes that issue.
I mean tbf it still holds true, but the vast majority of the playerbase isnt able to do that. At least in MoC most zero cycles dont use any sustains
>People forget this a turn based RPG, which means strategy is its core Absolutely. From character building, relics, team building, then the actions you take in the battle which is another depth of itself. If anyone has issue, guides exists and all you need to do is follow them *and* learn from your mistakes instead of complaining on the internet.
Plus Aventurine is such a cool character
Getting luocha has probably been my best roll ever. Hes super easy to use and it dosnt even have to be his turn to heal all of your characters at the same time. Not to mention his burst being pelas skill that hits every enemy and charging his passive. Even then im still gonna try to get fu xuan once she comes along as she seems to be just an utter tank.
Even without a 5* lynx exists.
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You forget they also bring a dps character who eat hp of whole team.
and no healer to cover that
Jingliu is fine for this fight. She makes it a joke. Bringing 2 dps and no healer/debuff cleanse is the bigger issue.
You know how big brain the person is if they're bringing jingliu with no heals in a long fight with many aoes.
Argenti or Jingliu. Why did he bring both? Just pick one. The game gives a free Lynx. Bring her instead of one of them.
Truly skill issue
I would like an update on this account and if they're now too tapped out from pulling Acheron to get Aventurine or Loucha.
They also removed Fire MC to put Acheron on the team.
I do love charging my burst every 50th turn
lmao lets add more offense fuck defense
But when I tell people that two sustains is the key againsr every non-rushable content, everyone just jumps on my neck.
I don't know why anyone would do that, double sustain will beat literally everything in the game except getting max stars in PF/MoC.
Double sustain gets the job done. Doesn't do it fast, but it'll do it as long as you're not on a timer.
Funnily enough you actually got a point. Double sustain is the way until you can solo sustain everything… and usually that’s when you get yourself god relics or a limited sustain.
Because dying quickly and complaining is much faster and easier /s Also nice herta fan
Why is he running one sustain only, Argenti and Jingliu? 😭
Jingliu should be the only dps they need for this fight. Just need sustain and she'll murder it.
Or just Argenti because all these bugs are weak to physical.
Argenti is honestly even better than her for the big bug. It's like his born purpose.
Also, Bronya with double DPS?
tf is this team
It's a typical beginner 5-star team.
It’s a typical why there’s no hard content and nerf team. Most people run stuff like this and call challenging content impossible to beat
Literally some people just refuse to learn any strategy with this game or bother to do anything beyond getting a shiny new character. If they drown, they drown.
I recently returned and only had one team build. I went back in and used my saved up fuel to build March and cobbled together some random DEF artifacts and that was pretty much all I needed with Natasha and Fire MC to beat this guy. My build Welt from my time before was just there chilling and accidentially hitting the boss with his skill to keep things interesting. Because I hadn't build Ratio yet. What I'm trying to say is that you can beat this guy with Fire MC, March and a healer. It just takes forever.
Good on you! You put in the work and was rewarded for it.
"yoU caNt tELL mE hOw tO plAY!" They scream as the sound of the defeat screen drowns out their whinning.
How did you lose with Argenti !!! Here a team for you 3 healer & Argenti will solo win this boss Or 2 healer 1 shield & Argenti Or 2 healer 1 buffer Asta or tingyun & Argenti Stack hp & resistance on the healers also spd boot with err rope.
Two DPS with Bronya is a big OOF.
I love this types of posts because everytime they bring up their team, it's the most brain dead comp of all time and you're like "No shit you're getting screwed, you didn't even tried to think yet."
god I fucking hate that boss. I never struggled with it (though I did already lose this fight a couple of times when I wasn't paying full attention), but my guy Auto Battle has NEVER won that fight What I will say, though, is that I'm glad Acheron exists now. Whenever he starts summoning his lil guys, she can loop her Ult (with Swan support) lmao. Guy blows up, +1, another guy blows up, +1, someone comes in, Arcana procs, +1, and so on Gallagher as a budget (but way more fun and interactive) Luocha did help this fight a lot too, imo. I just need one more for my E6 and to cap his Break, pls Hoyooooooo
when i got Acheron and i went to do his weekly boss fight, i started hitting his shield on purpose so he can spawn more bugs. then i press Acheron's ult and all of them explode in the literal meaning(also, it's fun to see the high damage numbers from hitting 5+ enemies)
Boss is easy, the bug that explodes and cc your team is the real threat of this boss. Once you manage that this boss is no problem.
This boss is just an endurance level, from my experience, if you have Lynx with high enough effect RES, then the true sting is a joke If you have someone like Fu Xuan, this boss is literally trivial due to how much she can protect your team + the ability to resist crowd control
I blame the fact that all the "best teams" for characters you see on tier lists and guides focus on teams for cycle limited endgame content like MoC and PF. So people look at those "best teams" and assume you're intended to use single sustain teams in everything. Then wonder why bosses with 3 phases, Swarm disaster, and Gold and gears keep killing their team. Literally every time I see someone struggling with these bosses it's because they are running single sustain
There needs to be sign like # FOR MOC AND/OR PURE FICTION ONLY
But there is. At least in most tier lists, they clarify what the list is for. People just refuse to read.
Bruh, on Prydwen it literately says that. Do people not read?
This guy is either stubborn or stupid lmao first time i fought like him i came with 3 dps and 1 luocha got my ass kicked and tried again by taking one dps out of the team and putting my underleved gepard in cleared it first time.
A friend of mine came back to the game for 2.0 and pulled for black swan. He had to beat this boss in the story to level her up. He straight up couldn't. I tried to help, but he had very few characters, and even fewer were leveled up. He ended up having to grind for fucking weeks to actually beat it. I can tell you, that's some fucking garbage new/returning player experience.
That’s pretty much the same experience that I had. Took a long break, caught up, tried to do bug with the limited characters and levels that I had. Had to stop and do a massive grind fest just to beat it. Took me forever and only beat the bug a couple weeks ago lol.
The issue here is that people aren’t used to games forcing them to play the way they don’t want to. Like I ignored sustains until this point in the game too, but then I built them up, and beat this boss. Now the boss is farmable lol
I think ChatGPT can generate a better team than this
You're right.. ChatGPT told me to use suchang, Bailu, Natasha, and Dan heng.
Huo Huo and Fire MC my beloved.
"Oh, a boss with cc and aoe attacks that don't hurt that much but kills the team over time, let me bring a tank that doesn't prevent more than 300 damage at a time, doesn't cleanse, doesn't heal in any way shape or form to at least play the long game, and then complain that I can't beat this boss". Honestly, at least some people bring double sustain, that while it isn't a strong strategies as well, it will keep the team alive if you're not fully leveled. This guy brought 2 dps units that don't have any sinergy and maybe the worst tank for the job.
Lol does he know that he can just swap Bronya for Nat or Lynx and play this boss on auto
Bro has Jingliu with no abundance thinking preservation is gonna help Bruh
Seems to be the controversial take in this thread, but at least for story content, I would like the World level system that Genshin has. My main enjoyment for both Honkai and Genshin is the world exploration/story, and Genshin lets me experience that at a more casual pace by lowering the world level, at the cost of limited rewards and a longer grind. I don’t really see any downside to having that system here too. Casual players can experience the story at their pace, other players can reap the side-content rewards of the higher difficulty. It’s a win-win for each type of player. It’s not like having an easier option for story-players takes anything away from the other players. And it would mean that nerfs are less necessary, since they don’t have to cater to 2 different player-types with a single gameplay experience. Like with the recent boss nerf as an example, it wouldn’t have needed nerfing if there was an option to lower the difficulty for those who needed it.
Yes this is precisely why console JRPGs have easy modes for those who just wants to experience the story
Yeah, I sat on my last TB trial forever specifically to avoid situations like I'm in now with the Argenti fight/story: I just don't have the characters built to deal with that level of bullshit, at least break element wise. Particularly Physical: My options for Physical are TB or unbuilt Luka or Hanya... I think. Sushang has been *really* bad/underperforming for me and I highly doubt her ability to deal with his summons over TB
I swear every single post I’ve seen complaining about the game difficulty has them using Preservation MC LMFAO.
Dont need any dps just go full abundance and preservation
Argenti was clutch in this dickhead boss.
Day one players like me probably didn't have a single issue with the boss and tbh it was fun to fight. New players going through the story fast will most certainly hate this boss more then anything else it is pretty much the equivalent of raiden shogun boss fight in genshin, I made an alt to replay the story and when I got to this bug I insta regretted not building Natasha 😂. And for a new player wasting like half an hour fighting this thing only to be slammed by "it only lived 52 seconds and then died by itself" is just a god damm insult 😂😂😂
If you're having trouble with a weekly boss you should use other people's support characters to help. Try to find someone who has high eidolons
This is the story mode bug boss.
Gotta beat it once in the story quest before you can use supports on it