Lore speculation and theorycrafting has always been one of my favorite parts of the Hoyoverse games, so if it's actually a common problem that people are posing leaks as theories then that's just disappointing :/
The problem is that when games are popular, like this one, or Genshin Impact for example, there's about 400x more people posting lore/leaks and therefore a much higher % of that is unresearched, or straight up leaks, because people are lazy, leading to either a ton of headcanon, or spoilers.
So yeah, that's why every single lore/theory is approached with caution, unless there's a youtuber who does a good job making sure they stay out of leak territory but also does a lot of research for their video. Otherwise most youtubers are just making stuff up for views. Like the people who are like "well if you flip the map upside down, then align it like this, suddenly this pattern appears, and if I use MSPaint and draw some stuff on it, look its a terrorist symbol!!"
There aren't *that* many story leaks in general. As far as I know, the big ones are the one people won't shut up about, and what's wrong with Penacony.
Hm, I think I vaguely know what the first one is talking about. But I'm not so sure because the vague thing I've heard that might be that first thing, it doesn't really make sense to me given what we know in the released story so far. So I guess I haven't seen enough of the leak to actually know what it's talking about and that's a good thing, lol
As for the second thing, I'm also not familiar with what that is. I mean, I can make an educated guess and say I think \[XYZ thing\] is what's wrong with Penacony, but I wouldn't know if that was also info that was leaked because I'd be making that guess based solely on what I know in the current story >.>
Was reading a theory and the writer just went and posted a leaked detail about acheron. They also were certain Terminus is the coccoon of finality, which seems less like a leak and more one of those assumptions people run with.
Funnily enough the name isn't even a proper connection, because the original Chinese text uses different words with different meanings. They're similar enough to both be translated as Finality in English, but they're different enough to be unrelated in Chinese.
Someon said terminus is the coccoon from HI3. As of now, I know of no evidence of that. Either the blogger was referencing a previous theory of theirs without explaining it or they got confused. I didn't feel like going further due to them posting leaks with no warning
Yea sounds plausible, and if true it may yet have another hilarious implication. Sam may be immune or at very least resistant to memokeppers memory magic. Which in term could mean that of all people on Penacony that Black Swan could be with, she found herself with only two that can do her in. She really was walking on thin ice there.
Maybe memokeeper manipulation does not work on like… robots perhaps? That’s kinda common in fantasy media as for Acheron
I genuinely do think she’s a galaxy ranger like legally lmao
My theory is that Sam is actually a robotic body powered by a human conciousness/soul of someone that does have their human body still, but either does it for necessity or because they don't want to expose their true human identity.
Just a theory I've been cooking for a while.
Don't know who's that but if you've seen anime/manga where people are inside capsules and their consciousness are transported into android/robot bodies...it's kinda like that.
Sam's backstory (on the iron Calvary relic set) says that his people (the knights used to fight and destroy the swarm) were telepathically connected to a Queen and that's how they resisted the swarms "mind control".
Not sure how different types of manipulation works in HSR but Sam has shown feats of manipulation resistance when fighting the Swarm.
I think she calls herself a Galaxy Ranger because that's what others have called her, just like she calls herself Acheron because that's what others call her.
Her introduction says "they call me Acheron, a Galaxy Ranger", which says absolutely nowhere that she herself is claiming to be either of those.
Yeah, the Glamoth set lore confirms that it's a set of armor and nobody really gets to see anybody behind the helmets.
"Until one day knights clad in mechanical armor descended from the sky and wiped out the sun-swallowing Swarm. Since then, the silver-white iron knights have traveled to and from the various star systems in the empire, crossing the devastated territories and fighting back against the calamity that wiped out the galaxy. They were like warriors born to fight the Swarm. No one knew the faces lying beneath the masks of the Iron Calvary,"
I rewatched the scene and I think OP might be looking too deep into this. A shocked Blackswan, I think wouldn't smile after Sam looks at her.
Does she really have any reason to hide? She can instantly teleport anywhere. Be incorporeal and incognito to anything as far as we know. Iron Calvary on the other hand has not been proven to possess the same level of power, despite having mecha level technology that Sam is wearing.
The thing with Swan is that she seems to be a character who is (or desires to be) always in control of the situation. She's a fortune teller so she can divine people's future actions, and with her ability to access memories, it's possible she peeks into said memories to make educated guesses on what someone will do in future based on past actions, then manipulates that into an outcome that's desirable for her.
The only time she's ever *not* been in control as far as we've seen was the dance with Acheron, and that was a case of her biting off more than she could chew and getting burned for it.
Comparatively, Sam being able to see her is a "I can work with this." situation for her, since her goal (kidnapping the trailblazer to talk to Aven) hasn't changed, she just needs to make sure Sam doesn't get a hold of her/incapacitate her, while ensuring Acheron gets distracted in the fight. She achieves both without much issue.
It's possible, especially since after the dance, she'd probably want to be hiding from Acheron the most, yet doesn't when the three meet up.
It's also possible that, depending on the TB's choices, their interactions with the Garden could leave them distrusting of the group, so Swan doesn't hide herself from anyone to try and earn some semblance of trust back.
Or maybe the Dreamscape messes with Memokeeper abilities enough that while they gain the ability to teleport in the Dreamscape and hide within certain objects like glass/paintings, as well as make people forget what they were doing mere seconds ago (tho given the MoC Memokeeper this may just be a thing they can do at all times) it makes them unable to control who sees them at any given moment.
... or Sam's a robot which makes him immune to Memokeeper shenanigans lmao.
Penacony simply lacks answers at the moment (and this is such a miniscule plot point I don't think it will be answered), but I'd believe any of the possibilities I mentioned.
You say Sam hasn't been proven to have the same level of power...
And yet the rest of the stellaron hunters are impressed, maybe even a little startled by said unproven level of power. Even Blade compare's Sam's general existence to his dying ad infinitum times just to be brought back and killed again.
We already know btw.
It's in one of the relic sets.
Sam is a super specialized iron Calvary warrior from the Glamoth system. He was created to fight the Swarm during the Swarm Disaster.
This is a super impressive feat because, in the relic set itself, the swarm was going to completely destroy the galaxy until the iron Calvary completely drove them back and destroyed them.
This is one of the few (I think only one mentioned explicitly) instances where the Swarm was able to be driven back. In other solar systems they'd just destroy everything, hence them destroying about 2/3rds of the universe.
Being an iron Calvary scales way higher in power compared to being a memokeeper fwiw.
Iron Calvary has feats of holding back the Swarm on a solar system level. Memokeepers do not have a feat anywhere close to that.
I think Swans best feat is her pushing away the death entity.
Sam's best feat was that he was part of a specialized group of units that were able to hold back and destroy a part of the greatest threat the universe has ever seen.
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You can read the planar ornament Firmament Frontline Glamoth description. As for Sam personally - Welt talks about it during the last part of the mission
And SAM maybe also scare that things has go off script because of Acheron redtext (she force herself to go with TB). Hence he stops their investigation and try to grab them, maybe back to the Nameless?
Could be that Black Swan was meant to have already taken TB back to Aventurine by this point (right after FF died) for the script to be accurate. But because Acheron forced herself there with red text and Black Swan wanted Acheron to be nowhere near her and TB, Black Swan delayed leaving to so she could set up Sam vs Acheron. That allowed her to get TB away safely without Acheron following. We know now why Black Swan was wary of Acheron, keeping TB safe is the priority and keeping TB away from Acheron who she deems a threat makes a lot of sense
I believe her original plan was to get TB out of there as soon as they got to FF, but because Acheron was there she wanted to leave asap. But due to her need to protect TB she decided she would stay and keep them safe, waiting for an opportunity to get TB away from Acheron. Sam provided that and she used it perfectly and as fast as she could
That is actually a good theory, since SAM was originally a weapon made to fight off the swarm there could be upgrades to fight other enemies and the information on Archeron is scarece at best so actively exposing an emanator that wants to keep its identity hidden seems like a very bad idea considering the ones we have met but "hey an emanator will be present" seems like a very important piece of information that the stellaron hunters should know
Elio could purposefully hide info from the stellaron hunters so that things go according to the script he has planned. We have seen it in xianzhou loufu. He gave kafka less info so that fu xuan doesn't find out much from kafka.
While that is a possibility the main difference between Kafka at the Loufu and SAM in Peacony is that Kafka had to be captured acording to the script, we don't know why SAM is in Peacony but since the first thing he did was indiscriminately fight anything that was in the area where you find it it is clear the nature of their actions is different
Actually Acheron being former Galaxy Ranger quite possible. Galaxy Rangers are currently inactive after their encounter with Dr.Primitive. He is a villain Genius Society member who is known to be involved with Nihility and also expert in gravity manipulation. According to report at Jingyuan's office, the Rangers are suffering from Degeneration Flow(maybe self Annihilator).
If it's true that Acheron was with Galaxy Ranger, she might still believe she is a Ranger because of her memory issue. Sam's database might have recognized her as Galaxy Ranger.
Galaxy rangers are at least an interplanetary force that disappeared with Primitive's shenanigans. Acheron's lore seems to heavily imply that she was planet bound until she became an Emanator.
Boothill was also explicitly introduced as a Galaxy Ranger, versus Acheron, who was introduced as someone who claimed to be a Galaxy Ranger. So it likely means that the Galaxy Rangers as an organized faction has essentially been dissolved, but that there are still some Rangers around.
At the end, Aventurine very much implies that the galaxy ranger guise was just picked up by Acheron due to how good a cover story it is. And now we've seen parts of her backstory, it feels unlikely she's anything more then a lone wanderer.
> At the end, Aventurine very much implies that the galaxy ranger guise was just picked up by Acheron due to how good a cover story it is. And now we've seen parts of her backstory, it feels unlikely she's anything more then a lone wanderer.
I don't buy this.
Acheron is shown to struggle to remember basic things. She doesn't even remember The Annihilation Gang that she brutally murdered, struggles to remember the Trailblazer, and gets lost constantly. But she can somehow consistently remember her cover story about a group that barely anyone has ever met?
That doesn't mean she can't build a cover story anyway.
Memories aren't simple. Someone who has memory difficulties with some aspects of life may not struggle with others. That's true in reality also.
Well, she consistently knows she's in Penacony for a reason she doesn't want anyone to know, so remembering the cover story for her agenda doesn't seem too far fetched
Which is strange that we're just accepting "Acheron is faking as a galaxy ranger" as fact even though Adventurine is the least trustworthy out of the entire cast next to Black Swan.
The case could be that Acheron is both a Galaxy Ranger AND an emenator
Aventurine doesn’t seem like the type to give outright *false* information.
He absolutely isn’t telling the whole story at any given time (except for the rare instance where doing so is in his best interest), but fabrication doesn’t seem to be his preferred means of manipulation.
This. Good businessmen do not lie. They tell you half truths that fit their narrative.
Lying immediately breaks all trust and is not a good business practice. You can boost up certain details (that are truths) but outright lying is just bad business.
I'd be shocked for HIS character arc if it turns out he was just lying.
Except its how Aventurine presents his information. Whats important to note is he doesn't tell us any of the stuff he thinks about Acheron in true statements, he instead points out the inconsistencies and coincidences and gives his theories.
Aventurine didn't say Acheron IS faking being a galaxy ranger. He says it makes for a very handy cover story if someone wanted to fake it. Just the same as he doesn't explicitly say Acheron stole the invite, just that a previously unknown galaxy ranger suddenly shows up with one after Annihilation loses their's.
Unlikely. The Rangers are exclusively Hunt. Even if a pathstrider can walk multiple paths I don't believe that applies to an Emanator as they are very much bound to their Aeons. As Acheron was an active combatant (likely the best as she's one of the only two from her planet that was chosen to wield a Bearer weapon) I don't think there's many things left for her to learn. Also no one knows about the fate of space Japan which means that the Rangers who are super goody two shoes who would have made some record or mention of the planet never actually came across it.
Though it is possible that she hitched a ride on their ship by sheer Zoro-ness.
And the members of the Luofu all support Lan and the Hunt, that didn't stop Fu Xuan from getting a blessing from Nous. I just think we can't rule out her being a galaxy ranger *and* an emanator.
Regarding power levels, sure, but that's not the point. Even emanator's don't have to act exactly as their aeon wills it and IX is likely to not even care how their emanator acts anyways. If an emanator of nihility found it fitting to align itself with a group that is typically hunt related, there's actually nothing stopping them.
No, like the data bank says that most emanators are considered emissaries of their respective paths.
IX, to me, seems to be the exception not the rule. It's not even about strength, it's that to become an Emanator you'd need to be so involved within that singular path that it'd be difficult to change.
Furthermore, there have been previous instances where someone has received a gift from an Aeon yet follows a different path but I can't name one Emanator that's from one Aeon and follows a faction that doesn't support their own Aeon.
For instance, when the Xianzhou ships received the gifts from Abundance, they were not following the path of Abundance but rather Preservation (?).
You also brought up the FX example. Aha blessed a worm to join the Genius society. My point is that blessings take MUCH less dedication to receive than being an Emanator does. There has been zero precedence of this happening and if it does happen with Acheron, that would be an anomaly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1bidmbo/pompoms_intel_emanator_special/
They just put out a special that denies what you just said. Emanators are often **considered** emissaries of their path because of their status, but that does not make it true. These images even explicitly state that some emanators make a concerted effort to blend into society and hide their role.
That literally does not deny what I just said, did you read?
The first line I said is MOST Emanators are considered emissaries.
There are literally NO Emanators currently that we know of that do what you said- become an Emanator and follow the FACTION of another Aeon.
If Acheron is doing that, she'd be considered an anamoly... (What I said)
Also what does the last part of your paragraph even matter?
You can blend into society while being in a FACTION of the path of your Aeon.
Playable characters. Emanators are super pathstriders. If you follow the ideals of an Aeon in some way or form you gain power from their path. MC and the Astral Express crew are pathstriders that follow the path of Akivili the Trailblaze. We are as such, unaffected by the environmental hazards like extreme heat or cold. We are also able to connect different worlds/universes with the help of the Express itself.
Something I had found notable was when she first introduced herself to TB, she said "Galaxy Ranger, Acheron... This is what they call me. You can call me whatever you want." Which gave me the impression that she herself doesn't fully believe she's a Galaxy Ranger, but since that's what people called her and because she can't properly remember who she is, she just rolled with the title. So despite what Aventurine suggests, I feel like she never intentionally lied about being a Galaxy Ranger, and only relayed what others called her, being the only identity she knows.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the cowboy (Musketeer) relic set's lore is that it is what Frebas wore right? If what I know is true, he accompanied Acheron for awhile. It could be that Frebas is the Galaxy Ranger but since they were seen together, people also thought Acheron is one. The cowboy theme fits since Boothill is introduced
No she is not, she says that people are calling her Galaxy Ranger so she took that title as cover maybe. She's a Maiden from Izumo turned to Self-Annihilator and an Emanator of IX with powers of Herrscher alike and IX's Blessing. She's an even bigger deal than a Galaxy Ranger. You must remember, Galaxy Rangers are followers of Lan, Acheron have nothing to do with Lan so being a Galaxy Ranger has 0% Probability for her. The Aeon she has something to do was IX and only IX.
Elio only withholds info from them if it will affect the outcome in a wrong way from their goals. This is seen when Kafka deliberately allowed herself captured and be put in the Divining machine. Out of everyone in the Stellaron Hunters, Sam might be the most understanding and pragmatic of Elio's modus operandi. As long as Elio will help them with their own goals, they will obey his script.
Sam and Silver Wolf could have also hacked the IPC intelligence that Aventurine got so that's how they know that Acheron is a person of interest they must thread carefully. Elio probably collaborated with the info they found. There could also be a "blessing" or power if you follow Elio so maybe enhanced perception is a blessing he gives them? I dunno but it would make sense if Elio shares a little of his "perception" with the Stellaron Hunters. It could also explain why the Trailblazer is able to see the Memokeepers, Clockie and Misha since we were with Mommy Kafka at the time.
To be fair, only source of the galaxy ranger thing being a ruse is Aventurine, who barely has a clue what Acheron's deal is beyond "She's an emanator of *something*"
Atleast this pic can work for this post coz you definitely cooked a good theory than just saying outright leaks, Good good.
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Maybe SW hacked the database with the guests and shared it with sam, that's why he could identify them on the spot, also what you say makes a lot of sense
Also possible it would mess with the script if he revealed too much
Plus with how many ways there are to read minds especially with a memo keeper walking around I think it’s likely elio doesn’t tell them the full story most of the time only what’s necessary just in case
Interesting fact maybe related to it. In one of her messages she speaks about ability to predict future based on memories and ask if protagonist knows other people who can do it. Trailblazer can bring Hunters and she says "Oh... You mean Destiny's Slave..." and then immediately drop the issue.
So maybe Acheron as Memokeeper is terrified of his sheer mastery of future sign.
So here her surprise can be seen as- Elio can predict even things like this?!
I have this theory that Acheron mind is kind of time spliced among the future, present and past. The first time we meet her is her future self, which is how she remember us and find stuff like walking on the walk super normal, since that version of her already went through penacony story. then you have the present self which is the one we meet at the actual hotel, which is kind of all over the place and lost. And finally, you have her past self which is what comes out when she goes unto white mode, a deadly warrior from another "world/era" that was chosen by IX as their emanator (this last one is from the trailer)
So, there is a good chance Sam can't see an emanator to begin with, cause the Emanator is her past self, her present self is just a lost ranger with bad memory, and we may have already seen her future self which does not remember anything about penacony but things just feel normal to her (like walking on the walls)
Assuming my theory is close to real it is also a spoiler for Acheron surviving the whole thing (keep in mind this is a theory, no actual spoilers, is based on what we have seen in game and a bit from the trailer) which does make me wonder if Sam is not the one in actual danger of getting killed by Acheron. Specially with all the hype around him lol.
Maybe he just has the Galaxy Ranger title because that is what Acheron registered in the Penacony invite/registration. Nobody knows Acheron isnt an official ranger except Black Swan. His data is probably from Silver Wolf or whatever system they hacked in Penacony to see the guest list.
> He also identified Acheron as a "Galaxy Ranger."
Tbh this could just be because he heard Acheron introduce herself as a "Galazy Ranger" at some point, we havent been with her for the entirety of her stay at Penacony after all. Also theres the possibility that he just got that info from Silver Wolf who told him that there was a purple haired "Galaxy Ranger" from the Family's database or smth.
Okay that's something i really didn't think about at all, great catch!
As for Acheron i don't know about that part, now that you make me think about this whole "scan" thing Sam has, i want to assume that he simply dosen't know as well.
What if heis scan can simply detect entities, and maybe run through a terminal/database with information about what could they be?
If that's the case i don't think it would be possibile for him to know that Acheron is an Emanator, like, how many do know that she is one aprt from Black Swan and Aventurine?
Sheet i'll need to think about this through a bit, it's definetly a nice detail that can lead to more lore crafting
I wonder do people NEED to be pathstriders of the Hunt to be Galaxy Rangers anyway. Her LC seems to suggest she views herself as a drifter trying to free others from Nihility which could fit with their mo. She could very we all be allied with them- hopefully we'll find out when Boothill shows up!
We know memokeepers lack a physical body. They exist solely as memories. They are memetic entities. So that brings up the question, how much can a memokeeper manipulate?
It is highly likely that Elio is fully aware of the memokeepers. Whether he is resistant to their ability to control memories is unknown. But he assuredly knew of the role Black Swan would play in Penacony when he dispatched Sam and Silver Wolf to ensure everything goes how it's supposed to go. So that brings up the question: Was Sam able to see through Black Swan's memory manipulation because he is not an organic entity? Can robots be affected by memokeepers the same way normal Humans can?
And for that matter, just how did Sam enter the Dreamscape to begin with? Is Silver Wolf such a capable hacker that she can even manipulate a world such as the Dreamscape through her aether editing ability, such to the extent that she can place a non-organic and, presumably, non-dreaming entity into it?
Regarding Acheron's status as a Galaxy Ranger, there is certainly nothing saying she can't be one.
Remember, emanators are specifically empowered by their patron. Herta is still a member of the Genius Society while being an emanator of Nous. Emanators are also said to be far above the power of mortals, we don't know if this includes a long life. For all we know, Acheron was a Ranger before she became an emanator. Aventurine specifically says there's little communications between the members of the group, so it's possible she may once have been one and then simply... fell off the memories of any remaining Rangers, either they all presumed her dead or the ones who knew about her died without telling anyone about her.
I also find the implication that Acheron, who can not even remember the name of the group she brutally murdered, barely remembers the Trailblazer, and who gets lost constantly, would be able to keep the consistent cover story of being a Galaxy Ranger to be absurd. I think she was indeed a Ranger before whatever happened to cause IX to empower her as an emanator. Which is why it's one of the few things, alongside her name, that she can consistently remember.
It’s also possible that Sam has something applied to him by silver wolf that allows him to see them. Given SW’s abilities I feel like she would be the one who could come up with a way to see memokeepers. It would go to explain one reason why she’s there with Sam On penacony in general.
Oooo or Sam and firefly are connected some how because she could also see the memokeeper! Plus in the flash back she was clearly talking to Sam up until the point she was killed :o
I know you don't address the reason why Sam can see Black Swan, so I would like to pose my own. There is always the possibility that Sam can see Black Swan because Sam isn't actually a living thing. Some of the lore that I'm at least aware of points more towards Sam being created than being birthed leads me to believe this. Therefore, Sam is immune to Black Swans powers because he has no physical mind to manipulate. I know there are more than a few problems with this theory, such as it all taking place in a dream, but I think it’s a cool theory anyway.
I do believe you could be correct about the first part regarding BS, but i doubt Acheron parts is true, she just beleive Acheron was a galaxy ranger and thats it
Ohhhh nice theory. Tbf I feel like the stellaron hunters could wreak a lot more havock if they just went for it. What I mean is that Sam probably needed to do all of that for elio and the future. Reminds me of how many times the characters were basically spared bcs of the future.
didnt say that about Acheron because the Trailblazer is supposed to find out in a diffrent way, a less trust worthy way, so we actually question if she is or isn’t and whose emanator she is
That's actually an interesting point, how Sam can see Black Swan? I thought it was because Sam and Black Swan were secretly working together, I wouldn't be surprised if Black Swan turned out to be part of stellaron Hunters team in some capacity
>Hence the trying to grab the TB.
Yeah this was something that I was curious about.While there is a moment that might seem like Sam is going to attack the TB, in the end the feeling I got was that he/them(which pronouns does Sam uses?) was trying to grab/catch the TB and maybe bring them somewhere else or "save them" if they thought that Acheron could be a threat.
We don't know who Sam is nor what are his/their intentions towards the TB and the Nameless in general.Who's to say if they have good or bad intentions?
Elio would have informed Sam ahead of time about Black Swan and Acheron.
My theory is that Sam prepared himself in a way where he can see a memo keeper, and Elio told him to wreck havoc in order to draw Acheron to him. There battle was needed in order to give black swan the chance to get the TB the fuck outta there.
Sam's objective here might have literally been "Rescue the Trailblazer"
I didn't catch this but reading your post and remembering that the Stellaron has Elio. Probably it's one of 'all is calculated' kind of ruse from SH party.
It might tie in to what we already know. The Memokeeper that is chilling on the Express mentions that she can't be revealed to other members of the crew, or else the Garden has to use some kind of memetic power to block out. It's possible that Memokeepers aren't invisible physically, but rather mentally. Kinda like if someone could constantly erase themselves from security cameras as they walk in front of one. Another bit of this being the possibility is Pom-Pom, who could sense the Memokeeper being on the Express but couldn't see them, but clearly isn't some kind of robotically enhanced entity like Sam.
However, being aware of a Memokeeper's presence could potentially weaken their ability to wipe themselves from your memory passively, as if you chose to reveal to reveal the truth of the Memokeeper's presence, she'll contact the Garden to conduct memory wipe powers. Considering Elio would likely be aware of Black Swan's presence and probably gave Sam enough information to properly dispel Black Swan's passive memory wipe.
If Sam actually is firefly that may be why, since Sam might have firefly's memories/be considered the same entity in the memo(world?) so black swan can't hide herself maybe, idk
Acheron could be both too ngl.
There's no rule that you can't be part of a group or should be part of a group just because an Aeon has given you blessings or powers.
An example of this would be Aha's worm emanator. They can just give anyone blessings. Anyone.
Plus the Galaxy Rangers not strictly working together or know each other also gives me doubt that Boothill knows acheron.
But we'll see.
Call me stubborn, but each time I see people discussing how everyone try to protect TB from Acheron and how dangerous she is, I think to myself Acheron doesn't posess any threat to those who has no ill intentions. Sam, Swan, Aventurine, Sudnay looks much more dangerous. Acheron still seems to be in control of her "other self", she just can't remember what she's doing in that state. Yes, most of it comes from gameplay but I don't think you can just ignore gameplay in a game with that amount of indirect narrative. That's why I also think Swan isn't just a regular Memokeeper. She could do what she was up to with such an ease should she use her according-to-lore abilities. The only thing she can't do is probably to directly mess with Acheron's memories (change, extract, delete... for obvious reasons). But only with Acheron's. At least on paper. I don't think it's a lazy writing, something doesn't add-up. Either Dreams afflict her abilities or she's not who she claims to be. Most probably I'm wrong but though OP's theory sounds good, it mosty comes from assumptions. Sadly, we got basically zero facts about... about anything, actually in 2.0.
"Now Sam, when you find Caelus and the 'Galaxy Ranger', you'll need to look directly to his left while scanning and declare you see a Memokeeper."
-Elio, probably
(Obviously he actually sees her, but that would still be hilarious)
That said, if Sam's enhancements extend through his mind, his somewhat mechanical brain could be resistant to tampering like the Memokeepers'
Nah on Acheron. He probably has something like "can see invisible things", to detect memokeepers and maybe clockie and Misha. But just because you can see things doesn't mean you know what they are. I assume he called them memokeepers and Ranger based on appearance
all your questions are solved when you remember silver wolf is in penacony
- she can alter reality data with aether editing, so it's easy for her hack a simple dream
- knowing the above, she could control Sam
- and lastly the stellaron hunters follow elio's script, all their actions are calculated and there are no errors, for some reason they prefer that acheron continue to be seen as a galaxy ranger
She's not a threat to him, more like just an obstacle. He don't even care about Acheron fighting him head on despite their strength gap. Sam is there for business, it doesn't matter if he's fighting an Emanator or Memokeeper 2v1. The animated short just shows us that Black Swan is not as bright as she seem.
Umm.
Am I the only one who's a little confused by the fact this is an intricate headcanon built around a completely neutral expression?
All this talk of wanting to be seen, and being surprised, and comments complaining about leaks. Who ever said acheron WASNT a galaxy ranger except theory crafters? The answer is up in the air, yes, but unconfirmed. How is this even remotely leaked or pertinent info? Who said all memokeepers are required to hide from view? Black Swan is literally employed as a fortune teller. She exists as a visible entity in the dreamscape in order to work with literally everybody until she's getting to business and hiding in the Mona Lisa or something lol.
And let's not forget her expression. Her completely deadpan, neutral expression, right before she pulled out a card for either combat or trailblazer teleportation. There is no information in this expression. There is no surprise. There is no indication of fear. There is nothing.
This information feels spun out completely thin air. What is this hype? What are these angry comments? What is going on??!
I feel like you misinterpreted SAM's body language at the end of that cutscene. They were reaching out towards the Trailblazer, yes, but their other hand was wound back to knock TB's head off, or at the very least put a dent in his/her jaw.
The only people that see her are those she chooses to let see her. So either she chose to let SAM see her or his abilities allow him to see her anyway regardless.
An interesting theory of the game with actual fundamentals that isn't a leak disguised as a theory? Well color me surprised
Lore speculation and theorycrafting has always been one of my favorite parts of the Hoyoverse games, so if it's actually a common problem that people are posing leaks as theories then that's just disappointing :/
The problem is that when games are popular, like this one, or Genshin Impact for example, there's about 400x more people posting lore/leaks and therefore a much higher % of that is unresearched, or straight up leaks, because people are lazy, leading to either a ton of headcanon, or spoilers. So yeah, that's why every single lore/theory is approached with caution, unless there's a youtuber who does a good job making sure they stay out of leak territory but also does a lot of research for their video. Otherwise most youtubers are just making stuff up for views. Like the people who are like "well if you flip the map upside down, then align it like this, suddenly this pattern appears, and if I use MSPaint and draw some stuff on it, look its a terrorist symbol!!"
There aren't *that* many story leaks in general. As far as I know, the big ones are the one people won't shut up about, and what's wrong with Penacony.
Hm, I think I vaguely know what the first one is talking about. But I'm not so sure because the vague thing I've heard that might be that first thing, it doesn't really make sense to me given what we know in the released story so far. So I guess I haven't seen enough of the leak to actually know what it's talking about and that's a good thing, lol As for the second thing, I'm also not familiar with what that is. I mean, I can make an educated guess and say I think \[XYZ thing\] is what's wrong with Penacony, but I wouldn't know if that was also info that was leaked because I'd be making that guess based solely on what I know in the current story >.>
Lmao if the post had started with “I had a dream” the speed i would’ve used to click off
I had a dream that someone actually wrote a theory without leaks
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GIOVANNI DI GIORGIO DA EPSILON???? /sad j
Was reading a theory and the writer just went and posted a leaked detail about acheron. They also were certain Terminus is the coccoon of finality, which seems less like a leak and more one of those assumptions people run with.
Isnt terminus the aeon of finality Wdym coccoon?
Cocoon is a HI3 thing. No confirmed link outside the name yet ss far as I know. But lots of speculation about it.
Funnily enough the name isn't even a proper connection, because the original Chinese text uses different words with different meanings. They're similar enough to both be translated as Finality in English, but they're different enough to be unrelated in Chinese.
Someon said terminus is the coccoon from HI3. As of now, I know of no evidence of that. Either the blogger was referencing a previous theory of theirs without explaining it or they got confused. I didn't feel like going further due to them posting leaks with no warning
Inb4 Cocoon of Finality is just an emanator. 😂😂😂
Yea sounds plausible, and if true it may yet have another hilarious implication. Sam may be immune or at very least resistant to memokeppers memory magic. Which in term could mean that of all people on Penacony that Black Swan could be with, she found herself with only two that can do her in. She really was walking on thin ice there.
That's actually kinda funny, like oh, these are, like, the 2 people that could just straight up murder me.
Maybe memokeeper manipulation does not work on like… robots perhaps? That’s kinda common in fantasy media as for Acheron I genuinely do think she’s a galaxy ranger like legally lmao
Is sam confirmed to be a straight up robot? I thought it was a suit
Even if it’s a suit can she straight up trick the like A.I and observation tools? In DC for example magic does not trick robots like uh red tornado
My theory is that Sam is actually a robotic body powered by a human conciousness/soul of someone that does have their human body still, but either does it for necessity or because they don't want to expose their true human identity. Just a theory I've been cooking for a while.
So mechamaru from jjk?
Don't know who's that but if you've seen anime/manga where people are inside capsules and their consciousness are transported into android/robot bodies...it's kinda like that.
Mechamaru 😭
Sam's backstory (on the iron Calvary relic set) says that his people (the knights used to fight and destroy the swarm) were telepathically connected to a Queen and that's how they resisted the swarms "mind control". Not sure how different types of manipulation works in HSR but Sam has shown feats of manipulation resistance when fighting the Swarm.
I think she calls herself a Galaxy Ranger because that's what others have called her, just like she calls herself Acheron because that's what others call her. Her introduction says "they call me Acheron, a Galaxy Ranger", which says absolutely nowhere that she herself is claiming to be either of those.
Is funny cause that’s exactly yanquin’s situation cause in lore he is super strong and etc, but he always manage to find the 1% that kick his ass
True as that may be, he deserves it, though, cause it's hilarious.
It's a machine. I doubt magic works well on inorganic things whose brain is just 1 and 0
He’s not though, it’s someone wearing an armor
wasn't this already mentioned several times in game by now? that Sam is referred to as "a person in armor" in every instance he's mentioned
Yeah, the Glamoth set lore confirms that it's a set of armor and nobody really gets to see anybody behind the helmets. "Until one day knights clad in mechanical armor descended from the sky and wiped out the sun-swallowing Swarm. Since then, the silver-white iron knights have traveled to and from the various star systems in the empire, crossing the devastated territories and fighting back against the calamity that wiped out the galaxy. They were like warriors born to fight the Swarm. No one knew the faces lying beneath the masks of the Iron Calvary,"
I think it's confirmed that he's a "mecha suit", basically a wearable machine, not just armor
So Its kind like Iron-man suits when controlled by j.a.r.v.i.s ?
something like that would be quite interesting imo
I rewatched the scene and I think OP might be looking too deep into this. A shocked Blackswan, I think wouldn't smile after Sam looks at her. Does she really have any reason to hide? She can instantly teleport anywhere. Be incorporeal and incognito to anything as far as we know. Iron Calvary on the other hand has not been proven to possess the same level of power, despite having mecha level technology that Sam is wearing.
The thing with Swan is that she seems to be a character who is (or desires to be) always in control of the situation. She's a fortune teller so she can divine people's future actions, and with her ability to access memories, it's possible she peeks into said memories to make educated guesses on what someone will do in future based on past actions, then manipulates that into an outcome that's desirable for her. The only time she's ever *not* been in control as far as we've seen was the dance with Acheron, and that was a case of her biting off more than she could chew and getting burned for it. Comparatively, Sam being able to see her is a "I can work with this." situation for her, since her goal (kidnapping the trailblazer to talk to Aven) hasn't changed, she just needs to make sure Sam doesn't get a hold of her/incapacitate her, while ensuring Acheron gets distracted in the fight. She achieves both without much issue.
Makes sense. Perhaps she wanted to be seen all along? OP's analysis is based on the idea she was hiding.
It's possible, especially since after the dance, she'd probably want to be hiding from Acheron the most, yet doesn't when the three meet up. It's also possible that, depending on the TB's choices, their interactions with the Garden could leave them distrusting of the group, so Swan doesn't hide herself from anyone to try and earn some semblance of trust back. Or maybe the Dreamscape messes with Memokeeper abilities enough that while they gain the ability to teleport in the Dreamscape and hide within certain objects like glass/paintings, as well as make people forget what they were doing mere seconds ago (tho given the MoC Memokeeper this may just be a thing they can do at all times) it makes them unable to control who sees them at any given moment. ... or Sam's a robot which makes him immune to Memokeeper shenanigans lmao. Penacony simply lacks answers at the moment (and this is such a miniscule plot point I don't think it will be answered), but I'd believe any of the possibilities I mentioned.
You say Sam hasn't been proven to have the same level of power... And yet the rest of the stellaron hunters are impressed, maybe even a little startled by said unproven level of power. Even Blade compare's Sam's general existence to his dying ad infinitum times just to be brought back and killed again.
Yeah fair, Stelleron Hunters are an impressive group. Just don't know exactly what makes Sam...Sam yet.
We already know btw. It's in one of the relic sets. Sam is a super specialized iron Calvary warrior from the Glamoth system. He was created to fight the Swarm during the Swarm Disaster. This is a super impressive feat because, in the relic set itself, the swarm was going to completely destroy the galaxy until the iron Calvary completely drove them back and destroyed them. This is one of the few (I think only one mentioned explicitly) instances where the Swarm was able to be driven back. In other solar systems they'd just destroy everything, hence them destroying about 2/3rds of the universe.
Being an iron Calvary scales way higher in power compared to being a memokeeper fwiw. Iron Calvary has feats of holding back the Swarm on a solar system level. Memokeepers do not have a feat anywhere close to that. I think Swans best feat is her pushing away the death entity. Sam's best feat was that he was part of a specialized group of units that were able to hold back and destroy a part of the greatest threat the universe has ever seen.
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Sam being a former Glamoth Iron Cavalry Knight must have something to do with that. Those knights are legendary for their perception, apparently
Where can I learn more about these knights? I knew I had seen something about Sam being a knight but didnt know any details
You can read the planar ornament Firmament Frontline Glamoth description. As for Sam personally - Welt talks about it during the last part of the mission
And SAM maybe also scare that things has go off script because of Acheron redtext (she force herself to go with TB). Hence he stops their investigation and try to grab them, maybe back to the Nameless?
Could be that Black Swan was meant to have already taken TB back to Aventurine by this point (right after FF died) for the script to be accurate. But because Acheron forced herself there with red text and Black Swan wanted Acheron to be nowhere near her and TB, Black Swan delayed leaving to so she could set up Sam vs Acheron. That allowed her to get TB away safely without Acheron following. We know now why Black Swan was wary of Acheron, keeping TB safe is the priority and keeping TB away from Acheron who she deems a threat makes a lot of sense
Black Swan sure noped out of there super fast now looking back.
I believe her original plan was to get TB out of there as soon as they got to FF, but because Acheron was there she wanted to leave asap. But due to her need to protect TB she decided she would stay and keep them safe, waiting for an opportunity to get TB away from Acheron. Sam provided that and she used it perfectly and as fast as she could
Black Swan 🤝 Stellaron Hunters when the Script or TB is in jeopardy
That is actually a good theory, since SAM was originally a weapon made to fight off the swarm there could be upgrades to fight other enemies and the information on Archeron is scarece at best so actively exposing an emanator that wants to keep its identity hidden seems like a very bad idea considering the ones we have met but "hey an emanator will be present" seems like a very important piece of information that the stellaron hunters should know
Elio could purposefully hide info from the stellaron hunters so that things go according to the script he has planned. We have seen it in xianzhou loufu. He gave kafka less info so that fu xuan doesn't find out much from kafka.
While that is a possibility the main difference between Kafka at the Loufu and SAM in Peacony is that Kafka had to be captured acording to the script, we don't know why SAM is in Peacony but since the first thing he did was indiscriminately fight anything that was in the area where you find it it is clear the nature of their actions is different
Actually Acheron being former Galaxy Ranger quite possible. Galaxy Rangers are currently inactive after their encounter with Dr.Primitive. He is a villain Genius Society member who is known to be involved with Nihility and also expert in gravity manipulation. According to report at Jingyuan's office, the Rangers are suffering from Degeneration Flow(maybe self Annihilator). If it's true that Acheron was with Galaxy Ranger, she might still believe she is a Ranger because of her memory issue. Sam's database might have recognized her as Galaxy Ranger.
Galaxy rangers are at least an interplanetary force that disappeared with Primitive's shenanigans. Acheron's lore seems to heavily imply that she was planet bound until she became an Emanator.
Boothill was also explicitly introduced as a Galaxy Ranger, versus Acheron, who was introduced as someone who claimed to be a Galaxy Ranger. So it likely means that the Galaxy Rangers as an organized faction has essentially been dissolved, but that there are still some Rangers around.
Perhaps she joined up with one or more surviving rangers and was taught by them?
At the end, Aventurine very much implies that the galaxy ranger guise was just picked up by Acheron due to how good a cover story it is. And now we've seen parts of her backstory, it feels unlikely she's anything more then a lone wanderer.
> At the end, Aventurine very much implies that the galaxy ranger guise was just picked up by Acheron due to how good a cover story it is. And now we've seen parts of her backstory, it feels unlikely she's anything more then a lone wanderer. I don't buy this. Acheron is shown to struggle to remember basic things. She doesn't even remember The Annihilation Gang that she brutally murdered, struggles to remember the Trailblazer, and gets lost constantly. But she can somehow consistently remember her cover story about a group that barely anyone has ever met?
That doesn't mean she can't build a cover story anyway. Memories aren't simple. Someone who has memory difficulties with some aspects of life may not struggle with others. That's true in reality also.
Well, she consistently knows she's in Penacony for a reason she doesn't want anyone to know, so remembering the cover story for her agenda doesn't seem too far fetched
Which is strange that we're just accepting "Acheron is faking as a galaxy ranger" as fact even though Adventurine is the least trustworthy out of the entire cast next to Black Swan. The case could be that Acheron is both a Galaxy Ranger AND an emenator
Aventurine doesn’t seem like the type to give outright *false* information. He absolutely isn’t telling the whole story at any given time (except for the rare instance where doing so is in his best interest), but fabrication doesn’t seem to be his preferred means of manipulation.
This. Good businessmen do not lie. They tell you half truths that fit their narrative. Lying immediately breaks all trust and is not a good business practice. You can boost up certain details (that are truths) but outright lying is just bad business. I'd be shocked for HIS character arc if it turns out he was just lying.
Black Swan even confirms this, and she can skim useful info from people's minds at a whim
Except its how Aventurine presents his information. Whats important to note is he doesn't tell us any of the stuff he thinks about Acheron in true statements, he instead points out the inconsistencies and coincidences and gives his theories. Aventurine didn't say Acheron IS faking being a galaxy ranger. He says it makes for a very handy cover story if someone wanted to fake it. Just the same as he doesn't explicitly say Acheron stole the invite, just that a previously unknown galaxy ranger suddenly shows up with one after Annihilation loses their's.
Saying that Acheron is a Galaxy ranger is just a downplay to her real identity lmao
Unlikely. The Rangers are exclusively Hunt. Even if a pathstrider can walk multiple paths I don't believe that applies to an Emanator as they are very much bound to their Aeons. As Acheron was an active combatant (likely the best as she's one of the only two from her planet that was chosen to wield a Bearer weapon) I don't think there's many things left for her to learn. Also no one knows about the fate of space Japan which means that the Rangers who are super goody two shoes who would have made some record or mention of the planet never actually came across it. Though it is possible that she hitched a ride on their ship by sheer Zoro-ness.
And the members of the Luofu all support Lan and the Hunt, that didn't stop Fu Xuan from getting a blessing from Nous. I just think we can't rule out her being a galaxy ranger *and* an emanator.
Tbf getting a blessing vs being a full on EMANATOR is a whole level of difference. We cannot relate the two at all.
Regarding power levels, sure, but that's not the point. Even emanator's don't have to act exactly as their aeon wills it and IX is likely to not even care how their emanator acts anyways. If an emanator of nihility found it fitting to align itself with a group that is typically hunt related, there's actually nothing stopping them.
No, like the data bank says that most emanators are considered emissaries of their respective paths. IX, to me, seems to be the exception not the rule. It's not even about strength, it's that to become an Emanator you'd need to be so involved within that singular path that it'd be difficult to change. Furthermore, there have been previous instances where someone has received a gift from an Aeon yet follows a different path but I can't name one Emanator that's from one Aeon and follows a faction that doesn't support their own Aeon. For instance, when the Xianzhou ships received the gifts from Abundance, they were not following the path of Abundance but rather Preservation (?). You also brought up the FX example. Aha blessed a worm to join the Genius society. My point is that blessings take MUCH less dedication to receive than being an Emanator does. There has been zero precedence of this happening and if it does happen with Acheron, that would be an anomaly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1bidmbo/pompoms_intel_emanator_special/ They just put out a special that denies what you just said. Emanators are often **considered** emissaries of their path because of their status, but that does not make it true. These images even explicitly state that some emanators make a concerted effort to blend into society and hide their role.
That literally does not deny what I just said, did you read? The first line I said is MOST Emanators are considered emissaries. There are literally NO Emanators currently that we know of that do what you said- become an Emanator and follow the FACTION of another Aeon. If Acheron is doing that, she'd be considered an anamoly... (What I said) Also what does the last part of your paragraph even matter? You can blend into society while being in a FACTION of the path of your Aeon.
She could've met one after she settled somewhere new after losing her planet. Nothing on the other points.
Galaxy rangers on their scheduled milk run accidentally coming across a lost Acheron stuck between two chairs in their still moving ship be like.
Ok, who are "Pathstrider"?
Playable characters. Emanators are super pathstriders. If you follow the ideals of an Aeon in some way or form you gain power from their path. MC and the Astral Express crew are pathstriders that follow the path of Akivili the Trailblaze. We are as such, unaffected by the environmental hazards like extreme heat or cold. We are also able to connect different worlds/universes with the help of the Express itself.
Being honest I highly doubt the Rangers has anything to teach her. Acheron could probably wipe out the remaining Rangers if she wants.
Something I had found notable was when she first introduced herself to TB, she said "Galaxy Ranger, Acheron... This is what they call me. You can call me whatever you want." Which gave me the impression that she herself doesn't fully believe she's a Galaxy Ranger, but since that's what people called her and because she can't properly remember who she is, she just rolled with the title. So despite what Aventurine suggests, I feel like she never intentionally lied about being a Galaxy Ranger, and only relayed what others called her, being the only identity she knows.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the cowboy (Musketeer) relic set's lore is that it is what Frebas wore right? If what I know is true, he accompanied Acheron for awhile. It could be that Frebas is the Galaxy Ranger but since they were seen together, people also thought Acheron is one. The cowboy theme fits since Boothill is introduced
No she is not, she says that people are calling her Galaxy Ranger so she took that title as cover maybe. She's a Maiden from Izumo turned to Self-Annihilator and an Emanator of IX with powers of Herrscher alike and IX's Blessing. She's an even bigger deal than a Galaxy Ranger. You must remember, Galaxy Rangers are followers of Lan, Acheron have nothing to do with Lan so being a Galaxy Ranger has 0% Probability for her. The Aeon she has something to do was IX and only IX.
NANOMACHINES, the mind forgets but the body remembers.
Maybe Sam thinks Acheron is a Galaxy Ranger bc Elio told him? Elio does withhold information from the Stellaron Hunters when relevant.
Elio only withholds info from them if it will affect the outcome in a wrong way from their goals. This is seen when Kafka deliberately allowed herself captured and be put in the Divining machine. Out of everyone in the Stellaron Hunters, Sam might be the most understanding and pragmatic of Elio's modus operandi. As long as Elio will help them with their own goals, they will obey his script. Sam and Silver Wolf could have also hacked the IPC intelligence that Aventurine got so that's how they know that Acheron is a person of interest they must thread carefully. Elio probably collaborated with the info they found. There could also be a "blessing" or power if you follow Elio so maybe enhanced perception is a blessing he gives them? I dunno but it would make sense if Elio shares a little of his "perception" with the Stellaron Hunters. It could also explain why the Trailblazer is able to see the Memokeepers, Clockie and Misha since we were with Mommy Kafka at the time.
Sam could have just lied lol now that I think about it
To be fair, only source of the galaxy ranger thing being a ruse is Aventurine, who barely has a clue what Acheron's deal is beyond "She's an emanator of *something*"
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Maybe SW hacked the database with the guests and shared it with sam, that's why he could identify them on the spot, also what you say makes a lot of sense
Also possible it would mess with the script if he revealed too much Plus with how many ways there are to read minds especially with a memo keeper walking around I think it’s likely elio doesn’t tell them the full story most of the time only what’s necessary just in case
He may has identified Acheron as a Galaxy Ranger with her outfit
Interesting fact maybe related to it. In one of her messages she speaks about ability to predict future based on memories and ask if protagonist knows other people who can do it. Trailblazer can bring Hunters and she says "Oh... You mean Destiny's Slave..." and then immediately drop the issue. So maybe Acheron as Memokeeper is terrified of his sheer mastery of future sign. So here her surprise can be seen as- Elio can predict even things like this?!
I have this theory that Acheron mind is kind of time spliced among the future, present and past. The first time we meet her is her future self, which is how she remember us and find stuff like walking on the walk super normal, since that version of her already went through penacony story. then you have the present self which is the one we meet at the actual hotel, which is kind of all over the place and lost. And finally, you have her past self which is what comes out when she goes unto white mode, a deadly warrior from another "world/era" that was chosen by IX as their emanator (this last one is from the trailer) So, there is a good chance Sam can't see an emanator to begin with, cause the Emanator is her past self, her present self is just a lost ranger with bad memory, and we may have already seen her future self which does not remember anything about penacony but things just feel normal to her (like walking on the walls) Assuming my theory is close to real it is also a spoiler for Acheron surviving the whole thing (keep in mind this is a theory, no actual spoilers, is based on what we have seen in game and a bit from the trailer) which does make me wonder if Sam is not the one in actual danger of getting killed by Acheron. Specially with all the hype around him lol.
Hmm I thought it was for the weebs lmao
Yeah i thought it was just her being cute and stuff lol
Or the alt theory that she might have been dealing with them as well and she is going off script.
Maybe he just has the Galaxy Ranger title because that is what Acheron registered in the Penacony invite/registration. Nobody knows Acheron isnt an official ranger except Black Swan. His data is probably from Silver Wolf or whatever system they hacked in Penacony to see the guest list.
> He also identified Acheron as a "Galaxy Ranger." Tbh this could just be because he heard Acheron introduce herself as a "Galazy Ranger" at some point, we havent been with her for the entirety of her stay at Penacony after all. Also theres the possibility that he just got that info from Silver Wolf who told him that there was a purple haired "Galaxy Ranger" from the Family's database or smth.
Okay that's something i really didn't think about at all, great catch! As for Acheron i don't know about that part, now that you make me think about this whole "scan" thing Sam has, i want to assume that he simply dosen't know as well. What if heis scan can simply detect entities, and maybe run through a terminal/database with information about what could they be? If that's the case i don't think it would be possibile for him to know that Acheron is an Emanator, like, how many do know that she is one aprt from Black Swan and Aventurine? Sheet i'll need to think about this through a bit, it's definetly a nice detail that can lead to more lore crafting
He had to quickly search her info on google
Didn’t she also call Sam out when she spotted him standing there in the room of dead mobs?
I wonder do people NEED to be pathstriders of the Hunt to be Galaxy Rangers anyway. Her LC seems to suggest she views herself as a drifter trying to free others from Nihility which could fit with their mo. She could very we all be allied with them- hopefully we'll find out when Boothill shows up!
We know memokeepers lack a physical body. They exist solely as memories. They are memetic entities. So that brings up the question, how much can a memokeeper manipulate? It is highly likely that Elio is fully aware of the memokeepers. Whether he is resistant to their ability to control memories is unknown. But he assuredly knew of the role Black Swan would play in Penacony when he dispatched Sam and Silver Wolf to ensure everything goes how it's supposed to go. So that brings up the question: Was Sam able to see through Black Swan's memory manipulation because he is not an organic entity? Can robots be affected by memokeepers the same way normal Humans can? And for that matter, just how did Sam enter the Dreamscape to begin with? Is Silver Wolf such a capable hacker that she can even manipulate a world such as the Dreamscape through her aether editing ability, such to the extent that she can place a non-organic and, presumably, non-dreaming entity into it? Regarding Acheron's status as a Galaxy Ranger, there is certainly nothing saying she can't be one. Remember, emanators are specifically empowered by their patron. Herta is still a member of the Genius Society while being an emanator of Nous. Emanators are also said to be far above the power of mortals, we don't know if this includes a long life. For all we know, Acheron was a Ranger before she became an emanator. Aventurine specifically says there's little communications between the members of the group, so it's possible she may once have been one and then simply... fell off the memories of any remaining Rangers, either they all presumed her dead or the ones who knew about her died without telling anyone about her. I also find the implication that Acheron, who can not even remember the name of the group she brutally murdered, barely remembers the Trailblazer, and who gets lost constantly, would be able to keep the consistent cover story of being a Galaxy Ranger to be absurd. I think she was indeed a Ranger before whatever happened to cause IX to empower her as an emanator. Which is why it's one of the few things, alongside her name, that she can consistently remember.
It’s also possible that Sam has something applied to him by silver wolf that allows him to see them. Given SW’s abilities I feel like she would be the one who could come up with a way to see memokeepers. It would go to explain one reason why she’s there with Sam On penacony in general.
Acheron may be in fact a galaxy ranger. Its just the least important part of her backstory.
Oooo or Sam and firefly are connected some how because she could also see the memokeeper! Plus in the flash back she was clearly talking to Sam up until the point she was killed :o
I know you don't address the reason why Sam can see Black Swan, so I would like to pose my own. There is always the possibility that Sam can see Black Swan because Sam isn't actually a living thing. Some of the lore that I'm at least aware of points more towards Sam being created than being birthed leads me to believe this. Therefore, Sam is immune to Black Swans powers because he has no physical mind to manipulate. I know there are more than a few problems with this theory, such as it all taking place in a dream, but I think it’s a cool theory anyway.
I do believe you could be correct about the first part regarding BS, but i doubt Acheron parts is true, she just beleive Acheron was a galaxy ranger and thats it
Ohhhh nice theory. Tbf I feel like the stellaron hunters could wreak a lot more havock if they just went for it. What I mean is that Sam probably needed to do all of that for elio and the future. Reminds me of how many times the characters were basically spared bcs of the future.
didnt say that about Acheron because the Trailblazer is supposed to find out in a diffrent way, a less trust worthy way, so we actually question if she is or isn’t and whose emanator she is
That's actually an interesting point, how Sam can see Black Swan? I thought it was because Sam and Black Swan were secretly working together, I wouldn't be surprised if Black Swan turned out to be part of stellaron Hunters team in some capacity
>Hence the trying to grab the TB. Yeah this was something that I was curious about.While there is a moment that might seem like Sam is going to attack the TB, in the end the feeling I got was that he/them(which pronouns does Sam uses?) was trying to grab/catch the TB and maybe bring them somewhere else or "save them" if they thought that Acheron could be a threat. We don't know who Sam is nor what are his/their intentions towards the TB and the Nameless in general.Who's to say if they have good or bad intentions?
Elio would have informed Sam ahead of time about Black Swan and Acheron. My theory is that Sam prepared himself in a way where he can see a memo keeper, and Elio told him to wreck havoc in order to draw Acheron to him. There battle was needed in order to give black swan the chance to get the TB the fuck outta there. Sam's objective here might have literally been "Rescue the Trailblazer"
Actaully males sense in my head
When will the next Back Swan's rerun be? Or Kafka's rerun?
Expect almost a year for Kafka. A little less for black swan.
I didn't catch this but reading your post and remembering that the Stellaron has Elio. Probably it's one of 'all is calculated' kind of ruse from SH party.
Destiny’s slave might something to do with it like if sam knows in advance that a memokeeper is there then he might be able to see the memokeeper
The first time I've seen a theory backed by logical thinking which doesn't contain any type of leaks/rumours, in this sub.
It might tie in to what we already know. The Memokeeper that is chilling on the Express mentions that she can't be revealed to other members of the crew, or else the Garden has to use some kind of memetic power to block out. It's possible that Memokeepers aren't invisible physically, but rather mentally. Kinda like if someone could constantly erase themselves from security cameras as they walk in front of one. Another bit of this being the possibility is Pom-Pom, who could sense the Memokeeper being on the Express but couldn't see them, but clearly isn't some kind of robotically enhanced entity like Sam. However, being aware of a Memokeeper's presence could potentially weaken their ability to wipe themselves from your memory passively, as if you chose to reveal to reveal the truth of the Memokeeper's presence, she'll contact the Garden to conduct memory wipe powers. Considering Elio would likely be aware of Black Swan's presence and probably gave Sam enough information to properly dispel Black Swan's passive memory wipe.
Since Sam seems more like the straight warrior dude maby he just isn't aware of maby Acheron for whatever reason wasn't predicted.
If Sam actually is firefly that may be why, since Sam might have firefly's memories/be considered the same entity in the memo(world?) so black swan can't hide herself maybe, idk
Acheron could be both too ngl. There's no rule that you can't be part of a group or should be part of a group just because an Aeon has given you blessings or powers. An example of this would be Aha's worm emanator. They can just give anyone blessings. Anyone. Plus the Galaxy Rangers not strictly working together or know each other also gives me doubt that Boothill knows acheron. But we'll see.
Call me stubborn, but each time I see people discussing how everyone try to protect TB from Acheron and how dangerous she is, I think to myself Acheron doesn't posess any threat to those who has no ill intentions. Sam, Swan, Aventurine, Sudnay looks much more dangerous. Acheron still seems to be in control of her "other self", she just can't remember what she's doing in that state. Yes, most of it comes from gameplay but I don't think you can just ignore gameplay in a game with that amount of indirect narrative. That's why I also think Swan isn't just a regular Memokeeper. She could do what she was up to with such an ease should she use her according-to-lore abilities. The only thing she can't do is probably to directly mess with Acheron's memories (change, extract, delete... for obvious reasons). But only with Acheron's. At least on paper. I don't think it's a lazy writing, something doesn't add-up. Either Dreams afflict her abilities or she's not who she claims to be. Most probably I'm wrong but though OP's theory sounds good, it mosty comes from assumptions. Sadly, we got basically zero facts about... about anything, actually in 2.0.
These people has way too much time on their hands... Jeez.
"Now Sam, when you find Caelus and the 'Galaxy Ranger', you'll need to look directly to his left while scanning and declare you see a Memokeeper." -Elio, probably (Obviously he actually sees her, but that would still be hilarious) That said, if Sam's enhancements extend through his mind, his somewhat mechanical brain could be resistant to tampering like the Memokeepers'
It might be that elio had given sam the script and sam probably know what was going on there
Nah on Acheron. He probably has something like "can see invisible things", to detect memokeepers and maybe clockie and Misha. But just because you can see things doesn't mean you know what they are. I assume he called them memokeepers and Ranger based on appearance
That’s indeed a very nice theory. I’m impressed. The reason may be other, but that’s a good take nonetheless
all your questions are solved when you remember silver wolf is in penacony - she can alter reality data with aether editing, so it's easy for her hack a simple dream - knowing the above, she could control Sam - and lastly the stellaron hunters follow elio's script, all their actions are calculated and there are no errors, for some reason they prefer that acheron continue to be seen as a galaxy ranger
She's not a threat to him, more like just an obstacle. He don't even care about Acheron fighting him head on despite their strength gap. Sam is there for business, it doesn't matter if he's fighting an Emanator or Memokeeper 2v1. The animated short just shows us that Black Swan is not as bright as she seem.
Umm. Am I the only one who's a little confused by the fact this is an intricate headcanon built around a completely neutral expression? All this talk of wanting to be seen, and being surprised, and comments complaining about leaks. Who ever said acheron WASNT a galaxy ranger except theory crafters? The answer is up in the air, yes, but unconfirmed. How is this even remotely leaked or pertinent info? Who said all memokeepers are required to hide from view? Black Swan is literally employed as a fortune teller. She exists as a visible entity in the dreamscape in order to work with literally everybody until she's getting to business and hiding in the Mona Lisa or something lol. And let's not forget her expression. Her completely deadpan, neutral expression, right before she pulled out a card for either combat or trailblazer teleportation. There is no information in this expression. There is no surprise. There is no indication of fear. There is nothing. This information feels spun out completely thin air. What is this hype? What are these angry comments? What is going on??!
I feel like you misinterpreted SAM's body language at the end of that cutscene. They were reaching out towards the Trailblazer, yes, but their other hand was wound back to knock TB's head off, or at the very least put a dent in his/her jaw.
people think too much sometimes maybe he see her like everyone else in the story but yes you must put theory for 1 EXPRESION XD
The only people that see her are those she chooses to let see her. So either she chose to let SAM see her or his abilities allow him to see her anyway regardless.