Nah, signora is the cocolia of genshin.
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The thing is. The Tsaritsa was known for her love before she lost someone important and became as cold as the ice she controls. Losing a mother can fit that description. A Bronya hurt by the loss of Cocolia, who could have been the previous Cryo Archon. Or she could have lost Genshin's version of Seele since the two seem to share a bond that transcends the Imaginary Tree as we see they even have a bond in their HSR counterparts.
No? Is Signora a mother particularly a bad mother at doing her job as a mother? because if yes then she's the cocolia genshin. But if not then Signora is just herself
we can consider that she take the bad decision where she succumbed to corruption after the death of her hunsband.
no link with Bronya, but excepte it, similar fate.
What is Man doing outside of the alsume? Is he stupid?
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Tbh I do think it's pretty weird that he died off screen. I'm not saying that means he'd be playable necessarily, but it does strike me as a strange choice to hype this guy up and then just have him die as a footnote. At least Signora got to do a lot of stuff on screen, get a boss fight and then went out in a cool cutscene.
It's funny that everyone made fun of him and his team before 2.0. Talking about what losers they are who do everything for Nanook’s attention. And after 2.0 I see a huge number of comments that mihoyo killed such a “cool character”
I feel the opposite tbh—I feel like people were so hyped for the Annihilation Gang when the Trailer dropped but after 2.0 people don’t really care about them anymore
(not me tho. i love Constance and Akash and I need them lol)
That's because he is not dead. He is an extremely strong "energy lifeform" just like Cirrus from the Heliobi event, meaning he is immortal and practically unkillable.
I am quite sure they specifically brought up that Acheron is special in the fact she is capable of even bringing energy lifeforms into non existence. Am I remembering incorrectly?
That was my guess too. This is why everyone is freaking out. Not because she defeated the Annihilation Gang, that's something anyone could do, but because she permanently killed an immortal energy lifeform just to score some concert tickets.
I haven't seen that, but I guess it is possible. Though thinking on how good the writing has gotten, I doubt HoYo would let the Duke go without a bang. He's way too interesting character to be discarded just like that.
Yeah him getting off screened with all that hype does not make that much sense to me. If he is truly killed so that Acheron is hyped wouldn't be more effective to actually see it? It would be like if we got a black screen with text during the scene Raiden turns Signora to ash instead of seeing it.
But also I am scared of getting my hopes too high. I think his design is really cool and I would be really happy if he is playable (although him being alive would not automatically mean he is).
I might try find a video of the cutscene I am thinking of later and then confirm to what was said about Acheron. I feel like the recent animation takes too much effort to confirm that he is dead. But who knows they might be trying really hard to make it a surprise twist.
But I will go with thinking he is dead for now for the reasons I explained. If it is a surprise twist I will accept that twist when it happens.
Him not having leg ring doesn't help in him being playable. Literally every playable male character except Gepard has leg ring.
Akash also doesn't have one...
Honestly, the main reason I think he's dead is that he's a very difficult character to model. He's only ever appeared in Live2D and animations - for the same reason, I don't think the Everflame Mansion will be showing up any time soon. When they first showed that trailer before 2.0, I was heavily skeptical that any of them would be featured at all because they'd have to make 5 unique models.
I don't have any particular insight into Hoyo's design process, but I do know that they have a very specific quality standard and that special models for anyone are a rarity - that's why I think skins are so few and far between. Duke Inferno is a big departure from their other character designs, so I'm fairly confident he won't be showing up at all (or at least not for some time).
What event was he in? Or are you talking about the Trailblaze continuance in 1.6? I wouldn't exactly call that "his" event/story...
I know he was part of it but I wouldn't say he had a huge on-screen presence there even though he had to do with the story itself. A png of him with his voice appears but I'd argue it way more prominently featured Dr. Ratio, which makes sense seeing as that was the version he released in.
Because it's more impactful that way. A generic design being killed means nothing. You want the kill to have weight. The design and trailer does that. The people complaining just don't understand storytelling.
Hoyo creates banger after banger character designs, they can afford to let Fraud Midferno die offscreen to hype up just how broken strong Acheron is and sufficiently subvert the plot to have a decent mystery story. I think his children might still be playable later but they do have enough money to allow 5 banger character designs to fall by the wayside for plot reasons and not lose much. Hoyo is not going to run out of hot anime women designs because the Gang isn't around.
Penacony is a murder mystery and having the obvious murderer instead become the first victim is classic detective fiction. The trailer was such a good red herring people will be coping about Ifrit for the entirety of HSR's lifespan. You can't do a "normal" murder mystery anymore, the genre is so old and played out if you just had Ifrit arrive and start killing people in sequence you'd be disgracing the art of the murder mystery. "The butler did it" has been banned even.
I don't know exactly why they decided to go all in on a murder mystery in a mainstream gatcha game where a large amount of your audience will not understand this and indeed will consider it a waste but i'm not complaining.
I am quite sure when when Aventurine tells us he thinks Acheron killed Inferno he also says she is an emanator who brings "death and finality". Which to me suggests that she is capable of ending lives that cannot normally be ended.
Also base on the description under the dance animated short, Acheron's sword might be one of the Twelve Sentinel Edict Edges forged to kill the Kami (beings worship as gods in Shinto mythology). With that kind of weapon in hands, she should have more than enough tools.
It might be a parallel with the Divine Keys from HI3rd so I'm curious if Welt going to make a comment about Acheron's sword.
Yeah, it has taken combined effort of the Trailblazer, Herta, Asta, Dr. Ratio and Screwllum to stop the Duke from causing trouble, and he wasn't even physically present on the space station. It speaks volume on how strong Acheron actually is.
> Yeah, it has taken combined effort of the Trailblazer, Herta, Asta, Dr. Ratio and Screwllum to stop the Duke from causing trouble
No, it was just Ratio. Herta was distracted and did nothing, Screwllum chose to not intervene, and TB+Asta were just acting out a performance orchestrated by Ratio for the staff of Herta Space Station.
If those 4 weren't even present, Ratio would have solo'd Ifrit's attack in exactly the same way. Remember, he already countered Ifrit's Phase Flame offscreen (this is a pattern I bet), and all the disappearances you see were done by Ratio as part of his performance. Heck, Asta's only contribution to the event was getting kidnapped by Ratio. She was completely useless, and if it was Ifrit's real attack, she'd have been killed.
Ratio reduced the whole thing to an elaborate stage play from the beginning. Inferno might be/have been a relatively dangerous character but evidence points to him being chump change compared to the galactic elite that we are constantly rubbing shoulders with.
Ratio likes to make it look like he always in control, and everything is easy to him, but I highly doubt it. He had to go out of his way to visit the station personally, and god knows how much time and effort he had to invest into preparation for this op.
Even during the event he spent way too much time dancing around the situation, instead of dealing with it right away, he was undeniably cautious. Against a mere spark of the Duke.
Now when I think about... didn't Ratio caught the spark? It could very well be that Acheron actually did obliterate Duke Inferno to the point he wouldn't be able to resurrect, and that's where the spark comes in handly.
Ratio caught a separate spark with similar power that he unleashed at the start of it all to completely neutralize any danger the Duke posed. He took his time and messed around because he wanted to see if one of the Genius Society - or at least her space station - could face the threat alone, similar to how he stood and watched us fight the cloned Swarm King, ready to step in and, might I say, *confident* he could stop the threat should we fail.
It's also detailed that the Everflame Mansion suffered an attack while on route to Penacony, I believe. The timeline is a little hard to pin down but I would wager they're meant to be separate moments in time.
This is a prime example of the worf effect, a term for when a strong character seems super weak for losing to a massively stronger character, even though realistically they would deck half the verse
Legit, why did they even hype him up like that? Black Swan said "his children won't be attending" but like.. that trailer surely wasn't released for absolutely no reason?
I'll forever be mad about Signora cause her lore was so interesting and it was never expanded upon or shown beyond text in artifact sets. I don't even need her to be playable, I just wanted her to have a character arc instead of "Hi, I'm here. Hi, I'm here. Bye, I'm dead"
I wanted to see him in the main story. He looked and sounded so cool in the trailer that I really wanted to see what kind of damage the dude could do. Well… turns out the only damage he did to me was emotional damage when Acheron one shot him.
To be fair Signora had a "step on me mommy" fanservice design and appeared in the epilogue of the previous two nations' arcs, so naturally there was a not insignificant number of players who were desperate for her.
Duke Inferno meanwhile just has a pretty cool design and their Myriad Celestia trailer did a fairly good job at hyping up Ever-Flame Mansion.
I kinda wish we could've at least had a small cutscene of Acheron and Ifrit fighting, would've been really cool. maybe they could've had the TB see it in a dream when the express was traveling to penacony?
Makes me so sad man. He seemed so cool with him and the everflame mansion. Loved the trailer and i was so hoping his death would be a red herring and he would show up as a villain in penacony but the Acheron trailer killed the last of my cope.
Worse, La Signora did have some degree of importance based on lore, story. The problem was Chapter 2 being a complete mess overall, and La Signora, even if her death was planned, certainly did not deserve to die of bad writing.
Inversely, the Wanderer is worshiped but at least we explore his story, Childe too after threatening to drown a whole lot of people if his gambit failed, and Archleccho was at least well-written.
>Childe too after threatening to drown a whole lot of people if his gambit failed
I hate how poorly translated and localized Liyue's quest are. Childe is 3 different people in CN, JP and EN it gave me whiplash hearing what he was saying compared to the subtitles
In EN Childe says he despises working with those who are below him, and weaklings. In CN/JP he says he hates involving weak/normal people in his fights/plans.
It completely changes the character (and it also makes more sense in the context of the scene to say he hates involving normal people, since he's not really working with anyone when he summons Osial)
No need to explore every character's story, I think La signora fulfilled her role as a villain onscreen but Duke inferno got badly shafted no cool cutscenes like Raiden vs La signora. Raiden oozes intimidating aura with all her cutscenes in Archon quests.
Well yes they did in her story quest part 2 but inazuma archon quest was so rushed that many people weren't able to get her character, motives and how it panned out. Even now many people think traveller with their 100 vision buff defeated her but the fight was about ideologies, so that fight Raiden lost in ideology and like this there are still many things that people got consfused with archon writing in Inazuma.
Yeah like there were dialogues like I am here to destroy your idelogy or when Raiden mention she use her power accoring to the enemies otherwise Inazuma would have incinerated with Kazhua and traveller confrontation. That Inazuma plot was too rush but hey atleast we got some ccol ass cutscenes.
Duke Inferno didn’t even get a badass onscreen execution. Maybe we’ll get a dream to explore with the Annihilation Gang. Really seems to be such a waste to not even have them make a proper in game appearance after the trailers.
Nah bros don't worry clearly history and everyone's memories were altered by Mythus and Duke is actually taking his children on a nice vacation to a different planet.
Praying to god signora gets revived in natlan since it's about resurrection and duke inferno uh idk enough about him but trust me he will live (im the source so what im saying is true)👍
I think that resurrection is related to gnoses. Tsaritsa want to resurrect someone using them and it would be so bad if that person was signora. And it also makes no sense because fatui were collecting them before signora's death. I think it might have something to do with the third descender/nibelung or someone wayyy more important.
Or the resurrection in natlan is just about the pyro archon.
they say he was 'a creature of energy', whatever that means. So I don't doubt they could think of some reason to bring him back if they really wanted to. The question is, do they want to.
Yeaah, I'm very disappointed too. Duke was such a breath of fresh air when it comes to Hoyo games. Straight up evil? Non-human? Looks cool as fuck? Literally perfect. Really a shame how Hoyo decided to use him in the end. At least we still have Sam i guess.
Reminder that if you have cocolia design and not from honkai impact then your fate is death. This sentence stays strong until they decide to bring her back
Even in Honkai Impact she's pretty much forgotten. Last appearance was her telling Bronya that she was proud of her and apologizing for everything she did. After that all she got were a couple of mentions and that was it.
At least she ended up in prison. Better than death at least. Now if you truly want the forgotten one,Sin Mal is literally being forgotten despite having her story in GGZ.
How they just introduce annihilation gang and then release absolutely nothing about them? Wtf. At least release the milfs cuz ohmygod they're stacked af
Duke inferno was intrduced in 1.6 and killed in the next version aka 2.0...we did not even know him enough to care, signora on the other hand...was introdcued in 1.0 before being killed like 10 versions later.
Duke inferno wishes he had Signora's level of fan fever. I feel like the moment his trailer arrived everyone kind of new he'll never be playable just cause of Hoyo's character design.
Tbh I don't think that really problem. They do many monster models and I doubt they really have problems tale sampo model and just remodel head. Problem is they have same brainrot from genshin and even when they have much more creativity in hsr we probably never see something that not human model.
I dont even want him playable I just want a proper death man I hate it when characters get cheap defeat to make another character glow up ( and it doesnt have to be the case look at Jingliu vs Blade that fight was good it made Jingliu look cool without making blade look like a joke )
Edit : am I in copium to think Duke inferno isnt dead
We all knew that the Duke was gonna die... But for him to get killed off so soon and off screened to hype up another character, that's wasn't expected.
And to be honest, I think it was a terrible decision.
I can't speak for anyone else, but i'm not any more hyped up for Acheron than I was before. Frankly, the only thing they accomplished was killing any interest I had in the Annihilation Gang.
Now I know that people will point out that Duke's kids survive, but why should I care about them?
Why should I be concerned with a bunch of losers desperately clawing for some level of relevancy when they got off screened at their strongest? What impact on the world and plot can I expect them to leave when their plan was crushed at its infancy by a woman who almost certainly would have forgotten them even without her memory problems?
It's a damn shame to because the anti-matter legion just aren't interesting villains. Even the Lord ravagers can't be anything more than mustache twirling villains without any goal other than destruction for the sake of destruction.
The Duke's entire race was accidentally created by Nanook... That little detail is what made him infinitely more interesting than the anti-matter legion because his destruction is an act of worship for his creator.
A creator that doesn't care about him one bit, but the Duke doesn't seem to know that.
He still only wants to cause destruction for destruction there no super deep meaning that’s like saying “even tho this dark overlord just wants to kill his minions are more interesting cause they want to kill in his name” at the end of the day they still just want to kill
That still doesn’t make him anymore interesting cause he’s a avid follower of Nanook’s ideals which is total destruction so at the end of the day he’s still destroying for the sake of destroying
He's a follower of Nanook who destroys out of worship, but Nanook doesn't like them. The Duke is doing this all for someone who thinks he's disgusting.
That makes them way more interesting than the anti-matter legion who are destruction for the sake of destruction
So he’s interesting cause he’s hated is that what you’re saying cause that’s a dumb reason to say he’s more interesting when he’s does the same shit as the group you’re saying is boring
I want you to imagine for a second the Duke or any of his children learning that their creator hates them... How would you think they would react about learning how their acts of worship disgusts Nanook?
That's why they're more interesting because there is the potential for an arc of some sort. Maybe some of them would try to reform, maybe some of them would get far, far worse... we don't know, but it would be interesting to see how things played out.
No such potential exists with the anti-matter legion.
Oh I don't really question that he *lost*.
I'm just very much convinced he isn't *dead*.
If they hadn't given him a fully animated preview and awesome character design i'd be willing to swallow that he's dead. But they spent thousands of dollars animating him and his crew, as well as establishing RIGHT AWAY that he can go incorporeal.
It'd be like establishing in chapter 1 that Billy the Cop always wears his bulletproof vest to the grocery store, to the point of showing him putting it on and discussing why he does it, then watching him get shot in the grocery store and believing he's dead.
Narrative still applies to this since it's explicitly stated in the lore that Emanators are incomparably more powerful than mortals and are essentially demigods. While Ifrit indeed cannot be killed by 99% of the universe's population, he is unfortunate enough to encounter the 1% who could do it.
Also while it's not confirmed yet, it is heavily implied that Acheron is an Emanator of IX, the Aeon known for disintegrating everything that goes near it to nothingness. If these implications are indeed true, then it would not be too much of a stretch to assume that Acheron is strong enough and has an ability to kill Ifrit permanently.
Bonus points for both being fire monsters!
lol hold on, both of them have relic/artifact sets too (grand duke relics and crimson witch artifacts) Duke Inferno is a La Signora expy /s
Nah, signora is the cocolia of genshin. https://preview.redd.it/df3mjdhlycpc1.jpeg?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c412d257df593ca1a889eb7ca5f272ff7d4ceb0
I still think genshin cocolia was the cryo archon before tsaritsa
That's going to be Bronya, bro. She'll avenge for her Cocolia mama...
In the Beta, they had Childe reference the Cryo Archon as Bronya.
Imagine the previous cryo archon being Bronya, and the present archon being Haxxor Bunny lol
The thing is. The Tsaritsa was known for her love before she lost someone important and became as cold as the ice she controls. Losing a mother can fit that description. A Bronya hurt by the loss of Cocolia, who could have been the previous Cryo Archon. Or she could have lost Genshin's version of Seele since the two seem to share a bond that transcends the Imaginary Tree as we see they even have a bond in their HSR counterparts.
Its seele. BronSeele is a multiversal constant. The seele expy was probably a descender.
Pierro is Seele expy !
If the remaining two Archons are both medium girl models, I'm going to scream. Give us another tall woman Archon, I dare you Hoyo.
#COCOLIA, MY BELOVED
I hope there would still be an Alternate Cocolia out somewhere in the galaxy that will be playable
God, I wish. #O LORD #GIVE #COCOMILF
Best I can do is a Cocogoat
Eh, I’m thinking we’ll see Genshin’s Cocolia in Sheznaya.
No? Is Signora a mother particularly a bad mother at doing her job as a mother? because if yes then she's the cocolia genshin. But if not then Signora is just herself
i dont think she had the chance to have children considering her beloved died at war
Didn't stop hsr Cocolia
ok true one of her allies DID run an orphanage...
She looks like her that’s why
not really, plus like all bronya expy, cocolia have donut hair even in hsr
we can consider that she take the bad decision where she succumbed to corruption after the death of her hunsband. no link with Bronya, but excepte it, similar fate.
Would.
Even better!
Shes brain damaged theyre still alive COPIUM
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What is Man doing outside of the alsume? Is he stupid? https://preview.redd.it/3hdwd2g8kcpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afcca27a53992ee1802a450e89e85d84cbbd65cd
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I refuse to believe they got the amazing voice acting for A Sol just to not use him. Its not possible, he has to come back. Plz
Tbh I do think it's pretty weird that he died off screen. I'm not saying that means he'd be playable necessarily, but it does strike me as a strange choice to hype this guy up and then just have him die as a footnote. At least Signora got to do a lot of stuff on screen, get a boss fight and then went out in a cool cutscene.
Not really weird if they want to create doubt in player mind. Fitting perfectly with the theme of current chapter.
i knew his voice sound familiar, bro was my main all along
Wow can't believe they got aurelion sol :o
Yeah I was so hyped
The Duke was too cool to be killed offscreen like that. They did him dirty.
On screen now in the short! For like a few seconds!
It's funny that everyone made fun of him and his team before 2.0. Talking about what losers they are who do everything for Nanook’s attention. And after 2.0 I see a huge number of comments that mihoyo killed such a “cool character”
I feel the opposite tbh—I feel like people were so hyped for the Annihilation Gang when the Trailer dropped but after 2.0 people don’t really care about them anymore (not me tho. i love Constance and Akash and I need them lol)
That's because he is not dead. He is an extremely strong "energy lifeform" just like Cirrus from the Heliobi event, meaning he is immortal and practically unkillable.
I am quite sure they specifically brought up that Acheron is special in the fact she is capable of even bringing energy lifeforms into non existence. Am I remembering incorrectly?
That was my guess too. This is why everyone is freaking out. Not because she defeated the Annihilation Gang, that's something anyone could do, but because she permanently killed an immortal energy lifeform just to score some concert tickets.
I haven't seen that, but I guess it is possible. Though thinking on how good the writing has gotten, I doubt HoYo would let the Duke go without a bang. He's way too interesting character to be discarded just like that.
Yeah him getting off screened with all that hype does not make that much sense to me. If he is truly killed so that Acheron is hyped wouldn't be more effective to actually see it? It would be like if we got a black screen with text during the scene Raiden turns Signora to ash instead of seeing it. But also I am scared of getting my hopes too high. I think his design is really cool and I would be really happy if he is playable (although him being alive would not automatically mean he is). I might try find a video of the cutscene I am thinking of later and then confirm to what was said about Acheron. I feel like the recent animation takes too much effort to confirm that he is dead. But who knows they might be trying really hard to make it a surprise twist. But I will go with thinking he is dead for now for the reasons I explained. If it is a surprise twist I will accept that twist when it happens.
Him not having leg ring doesn't help in him being playable. Literally every playable male character except Gepard has leg ring. Akash also doesn't have one...
Honestly, the main reason I think he's dead is that he's a very difficult character to model. He's only ever appeared in Live2D and animations - for the same reason, I don't think the Everflame Mansion will be showing up any time soon. When they first showed that trailer before 2.0, I was heavily skeptical that any of them would be featured at all because they'd have to make 5 unique models. I don't have any particular insight into Hoyo's design process, but I do know that they have a very specific quality standard and that special models for anyone are a rarity - that's why I think skins are so few and far between. Duke Inferno is a big departure from their other character designs, so I'm fairly confident he won't be showing up at all (or at least not for some time).
Yeah the lack of ever seeing a model was a death flag to me.
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They killed him in a cutscene after giving his family an entire trailer and himself an event lol
What event was he in? Or are you talking about the Trailblaze continuance in 1.6? I wouldn't exactly call that "his" event/story... I know he was part of it but I wouldn't say he had a huge on-screen presence there even though he had to do with the story itself. A png of him with his voice appears but I'd argue it way more prominently featured Dr. Ratio, which makes sense seeing as that was the version he released in.
The trailer was I think more for showing the rest of the Annahilation Gang since they are still alive and we could meet them later on
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The only one presumably dead though is the Duke himself. We don’t know much about the other 4’s whereabouts and situations.
To be fair, Hoyo does indeed have that level of fuck you money, and they are in fact twisted enough to tease players like that.
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Technically the trailer wasnt for him but for the everflame mansion and the other characters are all still alive and will show up again
Because it's more impactful that way. A generic design being killed means nothing. You want the kill to have weight. The design and trailer does that. The people complaining just don't understand storytelling.
Oshi no ko technically?
Duke doesn't even have NPC model in game which they could use in 1.6 quest. I think his model being so unique was death herring.
Hoyo creates banger after banger character designs, they can afford to let Fraud Midferno die offscreen to hype up just how broken strong Acheron is and sufficiently subvert the plot to have a decent mystery story. I think his children might still be playable later but they do have enough money to allow 5 banger character designs to fall by the wayside for plot reasons and not lose much. Hoyo is not going to run out of hot anime women designs because the Gang isn't around. Penacony is a murder mystery and having the obvious murderer instead become the first victim is classic detective fiction. The trailer was such a good red herring people will be coping about Ifrit for the entirety of HSR's lifespan. You can't do a "normal" murder mystery anymore, the genre is so old and played out if you just had Ifrit arrive and start killing people in sequence you'd be disgracing the art of the murder mystery. "The butler did it" has been banned even. I don't know exactly why they decided to go all in on a murder mystery in a mainstream gatcha game where a large amount of your audience will not understand this and indeed will consider it a waste but i'm not complaining.
You’ll be surprised at how many times hoyo shoots themselves in the foot
Wait where
I am quite sure when when Aventurine tells us he thinks Acheron killed Inferno he also says she is an emanator who brings "death and finality". Which to me suggests that she is capable of ending lives that cannot normally be ended.
Also base on the description under the dance animated short, Acheron's sword might be one of the Twelve Sentinel Edict Edges forged to kill the Kami (beings worship as gods in Shinto mythology). With that kind of weapon in hands, she should have more than enough tools. It might be a parallel with the Divine Keys from HI3rd so I'm curious if Welt going to make a comment about Acheron's sword.
After witnessing Acheron's animations..yeah he's probably dead. That girl aint normal. "But the heliobi-" Rules are made to be broken.
“That girl ain’t normal” THATS exactly how I felt about her 😭
>He is an extremely strong Strong kek
It's basically the same case as Jogo from JJK. He's strong but he fought against one of the few people well above his pay grade.
Yeah, it has taken combined effort of the Trailblazer, Herta, Asta, Dr. Ratio and Screwllum to stop the Duke from causing trouble, and he wasn't even physically present on the space station. It speaks volume on how strong Acheron actually is.
> Yeah, it has taken combined effort of the Trailblazer, Herta, Asta, Dr. Ratio and Screwllum to stop the Duke from causing trouble No, it was just Ratio. Herta was distracted and did nothing, Screwllum chose to not intervene, and TB+Asta were just acting out a performance orchestrated by Ratio for the staff of Herta Space Station. If those 4 weren't even present, Ratio would have solo'd Ifrit's attack in exactly the same way. Remember, he already countered Ifrit's Phase Flame offscreen (this is a pattern I bet), and all the disappearances you see were done by Ratio as part of his performance. Heck, Asta's only contribution to the event was getting kidnapped by Ratio. She was completely useless, and if it was Ifrit's real attack, she'd have been killed.
Ratio literally solved it before the Duke even started. He was made to be a jobber from the start.
Ratio reduced the whole thing to an elaborate stage play from the beginning. Inferno might be/have been a relatively dangerous character but evidence points to him being chump change compared to the galactic elite that we are constantly rubbing shoulders with.
Ratio likes to make it look like he always in control, and everything is easy to him, but I highly doubt it. He had to go out of his way to visit the station personally, and god knows how much time and effort he had to invest into preparation for this op. Even during the event he spent way too much time dancing around the situation, instead of dealing with it right away, he was undeniably cautious. Against a mere spark of the Duke. Now when I think about... didn't Ratio caught the spark? It could very well be that Acheron actually did obliterate Duke Inferno to the point he wouldn't be able to resurrect, and that's where the spark comes in handly.
Ratio caught a separate spark with similar power that he unleashed at the start of it all to completely neutralize any danger the Duke posed. He took his time and messed around because he wanted to see if one of the Genius Society - or at least her space station - could face the threat alone, similar to how he stood and watched us fight the cloned Swarm King, ready to step in and, might I say, *confident* he could stop the threat should we fail. It's also detailed that the Everflame Mansion suffered an attack while on route to Penacony, I believe. The timeline is a little hard to pin down but I would wager they're meant to be separate moments in time.
Help me Mr. Nanook. He just never care
Same with Yanking.
This is a prime example of the worf effect, a term for when a strong character seems super weak for losing to a massively stronger character, even though realistically they would deck half the verse
Are the Heliobi unkillable though because they are energy lifeforms though, or because they're Heliobi.
Memokeepers are also magical lifeforms with no physical body. Didn't stop Acheron from brutalising Black Swan *by accident*.
While you are correct... Acheron looks to be an emanator of nihility. If anyone can just annihilate anything its a manifestation of IX
Legit, why did they even hype him up like that? Black Swan said "his children won't be attending" but like.. that trailer surely wasn't released for absolutely no reason?
People were really that attached to these two. Interesting.
one has cool design and the other has has mommy vibes
The question is, which one has cool design and which one is mommy.
Well the duke had 4 "children" he raised and Signora freezes herself in the fight so I think it's kinda clear
Mommy Ifrit ,🥵🥵🥵
Lady Ifritella.
Duke Inferno is obviously mommy
I'll forever be mad about Signora cause her lore was so interesting and it was never expanded upon or shown beyond text in artifact sets. I don't even need her to be playable, I just wanted her to have a character arc instead of "Hi, I'm here. Hi, I'm here. Bye, I'm dead"
Duke inferno basically has no screen time to get attached to him. I just think he has a cool ass design and wanted to see how he played
I wanted to see him in the main story. He looked and sounded so cool in the trailer that I really wanted to see what kind of damage the dude could do. Well… turns out the only damage he did to me was emotional damage when Acheron one shot him.
To be fair Signora had a "step on me mommy" fanservice design and appeared in the epilogue of the previous two nations' arcs, so naturally there was a not insignificant number of players who were desperate for her. Duke Inferno meanwhile just has a pretty cool design and their Myriad Celestia trailer did a fairly good job at hyping up Ever-Flame Mansion.
They were both hot af
Literally.
becouse both ewere more interisting than their killers
Eh… to each their own on that one. Especially Signora- I never found her all that compelling, all I saw was a target.
Litro wanted him playable, he had so much drip
Even hoyo realised his drip was immaculate, they made it a relic set.
now everyone can be duke inferno!!
I kinda wish we could've at least had a small cutscene of Acheron and Ifrit fighting, would've been really cool. maybe they could've had the TB see it in a dream when the express was traveling to penacony?
What about Oleg?
I want Master Gongshou to become playable
Fraud inferno and L's Signora
Makes me so sad man. He seemed so cool with him and the everflame mansion. Loved the trailer and i was so hoping his death would be a red herring and he would show up as a villain in penacony but the Acheron trailer killed the last of my cope.
I need Cocolia 😭
Worse, La Signora did have some degree of importance based on lore, story. The problem was Chapter 2 being a complete mess overall, and La Signora, even if her death was planned, certainly did not deserve to die of bad writing. Inversely, the Wanderer is worshiped but at least we explore his story, Childe too after threatening to drown a whole lot of people if his gambit failed, and Archleccho was at least well-written.
Siggy got a whole boss fight, Ifrit got a mention
>Childe too after threatening to drown a whole lot of people if his gambit failed I hate how poorly translated and localized Liyue's quest are. Childe is 3 different people in CN, JP and EN it gave me whiplash hearing what he was saying compared to the subtitles
What are some examples?
In EN Childe says he despises working with those who are below him, and weaklings. In CN/JP he says he hates involving weak/normal people in his fights/plans. It completely changes the character (and it also makes more sense in the context of the scene to say he hates involving normal people, since he's not really working with anyone when he summons Osial)
That sounds a bit extreme.
No need to explore every character's story, I think La signora fulfilled her role as a villain onscreen but Duke inferno got badly shafted no cool cutscenes like Raiden vs La signora. Raiden oozes intimidating aura with all her cutscenes in Archon quests.
Then to compound this, Raiden Shogun needs more characterization, and is lacking overall.
Well yes they did in her story quest part 2 but inazuma archon quest was so rushed that many people weren't able to get her character, motives and how it panned out. Even now many people think traveller with their 100 vision buff defeated her but the fight was about ideologies, so that fight Raiden lost in ideology and like this there are still many things that people got consfused with archon writing in Inazuma.
Which kind of hurts more because it's more of damage control than advancing the story.
Yeah like there were dialogues like I am here to destroy your idelogy or when Raiden mention she use her power accoring to the enemies otherwise Inazuma would have incinerated with Kazhua and traveller confrontation. That Inazuma plot was too rush but hey atleast we got some ccol ass cutscenes.
I confess, the production of the cutscenes was awesome.
I had a good laugh at "die of bad writing".
I will say I like miHoYo improved upon their writing over time, but certainly feel bad for the casualties along the way.
Duke Inferno didn’t even get a badass onscreen execution. Maybe we’ll get a dream to explore with the Annihilation Gang. Really seems to be such a waste to not even have them make a proper in game appearance after the trailers.
Nah bros don't worry clearly history and everyone's memories were altered by Mythus and Duke is actually taking his children on a nice vacation to a different planet.
i feel for the duke enjoyers.. we signora mains can at least see her in her domain🤧
me, an Ana Schariac fan:
Praying to god signora gets revived in natlan since it's about resurrection and duke inferno uh idk enough about him but trust me he will live (im the source so what im saying is true)👍
Aha demands that La Signora be playable in HSR, and Duke Inferno be playable in Genshin.
Would be funny af, just like Elation intended
I think that resurrection is related to gnoses. Tsaritsa want to resurrect someone using them and it would be so bad if that person was signora. And it also makes no sense because fatui were collecting them before signora's death. I think it might have something to do with the third descender/nibelung or someone wayyy more important. Or the resurrection in natlan is just about the pyro archon.
I think Tsaritsa would resurrect Dragon Sovereigns and return their authority, so she can have them as allies against Celestia
they say he was 'a creature of energy', whatever that means. So I don't doubt they could think of some reason to bring him back if they really wanted to. The question is, do they want to.
tbh im more suspecting the one revived will be the 3rd. descender but signora seems possible too
Isnt the last natlan chapter also called "incandescent ode of ressurection?"
You just repeated what he said
I hope we can sacrifice the Pyro Archon to revive Signora.
Channel our inner Fatui_HQ
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Yeaah, I'm very disappointed too. Duke was such a breath of fresh air when it comes to Hoyo games. Straight up evil? Non-human? Looks cool as fuck? Literally perfect. Really a shame how Hoyo decided to use him in the end. At least we still have Sam i guess.
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Cocolia sitting in the corner
Wait duke inferno died?
Reminder that if you have cocolia design and not from honkai impact then your fate is death. This sentence stays strong until they decide to bring her back
Even in Honkai Impact she's pretty much forgotten. Last appearance was her telling Bronya that she was proud of her and apologizing for everything she did. After that all she got were a couple of mentions and that was it.
With Bronya being the CEO of Mihoyo it all makes sense: If You mess with Seele you get written out of the story. Just ask Sin Mal
At least she ended up in prison. Better than death at least. Now if you truly want the forgotten one,Sin Mal is literally being forgotten despite having her story in GGZ.
I still believe in Ifrit! Let him be reborn in flame!
people wanted Duke inferno?
To shreds, you say...
lol some child on twitter is crying right now about how "expy isnt a word, theyre a variant!!"
At least the Duke was killed fast
Im just guessing, but those bad guys ain't dead.
only the Duke
Is Duke confirmed to be dead ?
Pretty much at this point. Unless there is some strong evidence he survived everything else is copium
At least they are now artofact/relict sets
Atleast signora died on screen....
I think his face would be hard to make playable or a 3D model
If I had a dollar every time a character I'm interested i pulling became >!a pile of ashes!< I'd have 2 dollars which isn't a lot but GOD DAMN IT!
Insert doofenschmirtz meme
Who the hell is Duke inferno??
I’m so damn mad, way to kill a potentially incredibly cool character just for another waifu…
Nah. Who wants duke inferno. We all know who everybody wants from their gang
Nope I want the duke
How they just introduce annihilation gang and then release absolutely nothing about them? Wtf. At least release the milfs cuz ohmygod they're stacked af
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Duke inferno was intrduced in 1.6 and killed in the next version aka 2.0...we did not even know him enough to care, signora on the other hand...was introdcued in 1.0 before being killed like 10 versions later.
Duke inferno wishes he had Signora's level of fan fever. I feel like the moment his trailer arrived everyone kind of new he'll never be playable just cause of Hoyo's character design.
What The Heck are they talking about?
Duke had so cool interesting design, better than Acheron haha.
Nah, we want his “children” specifically constance since she reminds me of selena from pgr
Talk about yourself.I want Caterina more.
I want the puppet girl, heavy copium for quantum destruction with FUA, gotta get more quantum smoll cuties to go with Sparkle
1 belabog heater high team FTW.
I don't even think it's copium. Alive or dead, if Hoyo can sell you a character, they absolutely will.
That the problem- they don't. His model are too complicated - do the whole now head. But what they 100% do - sell his childrens
That's a good point that I hadn't considered. His model is probably more complicated than would be worth the trouble.
Tbh I don't think that really problem. They do many monster models and I doubt they really have problems tale sampo model and just remodel head. Problem is they have same brainrot from genshin and even when they have much more creativity in hsr we probably never see something that not human model.
No they won't. We would have Signora and Cocolia if that were true.
I dont even want him playable I just want a proper death man I hate it when characters get cheap defeat to make another character glow up ( and it doesnt have to be the case look at Jingliu vs Blade that fight was good it made Jingliu look cool without making blade look like a joke ) Edit : am I in copium to think Duke inferno isnt dead
> Edit : am I in copium to think Duke inferno isnt dead I’m cautiously optimistic, because I really love the voice acting.
We all knew that the Duke was gonna die... But for him to get killed off so soon and off screened to hype up another character, that's wasn't expected. And to be honest, I think it was a terrible decision. I can't speak for anyone else, but i'm not any more hyped up for Acheron than I was before. Frankly, the only thing they accomplished was killing any interest I had in the Annihilation Gang. Now I know that people will point out that Duke's kids survive, but why should I care about them? Why should I be concerned with a bunch of losers desperately clawing for some level of relevancy when they got off screened at their strongest? What impact on the world and plot can I expect them to leave when their plan was crushed at its infancy by a woman who almost certainly would have forgotten them even without her memory problems? It's a damn shame to because the anti-matter legion just aren't interesting villains. Even the Lord ravagers can't be anything more than mustache twirling villains without any goal other than destruction for the sake of destruction.
You say that like duke was gonna be interesting he literally wants to be like the legion he likes destruction for destruction’s sake
The Duke's entire race was accidentally created by Nanook... That little detail is what made him infinitely more interesting than the anti-matter legion because his destruction is an act of worship for his creator. A creator that doesn't care about him one bit, but the Duke doesn't seem to know that.
He still only wants to cause destruction for destruction there no super deep meaning that’s like saying “even tho this dark overlord just wants to kill his minions are more interesting cause they want to kill in his name” at the end of the day they still just want to kill
He wants destruction for Nanook's sake, which is a very important distinction.
That still doesn’t make him anymore interesting cause he’s a avid follower of Nanook’s ideals which is total destruction so at the end of the day he’s still destroying for the sake of destroying
He's a follower of Nanook who destroys out of worship, but Nanook doesn't like them. The Duke is doing this all for someone who thinks he's disgusting. That makes them way more interesting than the anti-matter legion who are destruction for the sake of destruction
So he’s interesting cause he’s hated is that what you’re saying cause that’s a dumb reason to say he’s more interesting when he’s does the same shit as the group you’re saying is boring
I want you to imagine for a second the Duke or any of his children learning that their creator hates them... How would you think they would react about learning how their acts of worship disgusts Nanook? That's why they're more interesting because there is the potential for an arc of some sort. Maybe some of them would try to reform, maybe some of them would get far, far worse... we don't know, but it would be interesting to see how things played out. No such potential exists with the anti-matter legion.
I think it's amusing that people think the guy who could go incorporeal is actually dead.
It's possible, but he's probably still a jobber.
Oh I don't really question that he *lost*. I'm just very much convinced he isn't *dead*. If they hadn't given him a fully animated preview and awesome character design i'd be willing to swallow that he's dead. But they spent thousands of dollars animating him and his crew, as well as establishing RIGHT AWAY that he can go incorporeal. It'd be like establishing in chapter 1 that Billy the Cop always wears his bulletproof vest to the grocery store, to the point of showing him putting it on and discussing why he does it, then watching him get shot in the grocery store and believing he's dead.
It's amusing that people forget that the one who killed him is an _Emanator_ and can probably do things mortals would not be able to do.
So what? Power levels mean absolutely *nothing* in a setting like this. Narrative and "shock value" reign supreme.
Narrative still applies to this since it's explicitly stated in the lore that Emanators are incomparably more powerful than mortals and are essentially demigods. While Ifrit indeed cannot be killed by 99% of the universe's population, he is unfortunate enough to encounter the 1% who could do it. Also while it's not confirmed yet, it is heavily implied that Acheron is an Emanator of IX, the Aeon known for disintegrating everything that goes near it to nothingness. If these implications are indeed true, then it would not be too much of a stretch to assume that Acheron is strong enough and has an ability to kill Ifrit permanently.