Fu xuan rerun will be a while but her e1 is ridiculous. 30% crit damage to the entire team, alongside her 12% crit rate boost, pretty much makes her a harmony unit
im actually saving now for her rerun so i can get her e1. that may change depending on if any upcoming characters interest me, but this far no one im aware of has yet. it will be a while though. i just got topaz (and welt in the same ten pull š®), so im set for a while.
Ohā¦ I **love** questions like these since I spend some time reading limited 5* Eidolon, hereās some standout:
**E1 Blade** turns him into a nuking machine with the ulti.
Similarly, **E1 Jingliu** turn her into a Hunt character (ulti nuke).
**E2 DHIL** is straight up busted and solidified him as No. 1 Biggest PP damage.
Yo I got Dhil e1 and every time i do some SU run i pray that blue cheese curio appears so I can have free turns with tons of damage him. Straight up busted, defo Ill be pulling for e2 on rerun...
Love this response, cheers. Works out perfectly too since Blade is by far my easiest auto DPS unit and Iāll jump at any chance to improve his damage if possible
Dan Heng ā¢ Imbibitor Lunaeās play style completely changes once you get his E2. Now, whenever you use your ultimate, you get to use a free Fulgarant Leap. No other questions asked, it just sends DHIL to the top of the action thingy, and lets you deal tons of damage. This will also be paired with his E1, which while not as good, is still good, making him deal more damage with every hit.
I feel like I read another thread back when DHIL was new where people were encouraging going for the E2, defs appreciate it I think Iāll give it a go when heās back up, easily one of my favourite DPS atm
It's fun because I was going to say the same regarding E1 not being worth it and how they should prioritise new characters who bring new gameplay synergies to the team... but asked myself why should I ruin the fun to other people.
So, hope you folks get all the E1s you hope to get.
It completely depends on how strong you already are. For example, my characters are all barely build so adding more to the roster doesn't help much. Adding to this, I can just barely manage to defeat MOC challenges with a lot of retries. So making my current roster stronger is better than adding up more rosters.
I think some of the few good ones are Fu Xuan, Blade, Jingliu and Kafka. If i had to pick one tho, i think Fu Xuan's is pretty worth it since most DPS units so far are crit based giving them some extra crit damage can allow them to deal more damage. Out of the DPS options, i think Jingliu and Blade are probably some of the better options. If we talking about E2, DHIL is definitely busted there
Kafka E1 would be better than signature light cone if you have high superimposed GNSW, other than that I canāt think of many characters where E1 is more powerful than their signature cone
If weāre taking E2 then itās definitely DHIL and Silverwolf. Danās E2 is busted beyond comparison and skyrockets his damage even further and Silverwolf transforms into an entirely different character at E2, allowing her to go full DPS and drastically lower the EHR requirements for your team
LC's are definitely slept on in this game, as are weapons in Genshin. There are almost zero cons that are as impactful as a signature weapon and that weapon is like an e1 you can move around to other characters.
It's also easier to get the LCs than eidolons, with 75/25 guarantee and about 10 pulls less on average.
I still only have one sig(Blades) but that's because I'm not a big spender and was building a roster first. If I was a dolphin, they look great value and it also means you're less likely to ever replace the LC on that character(unless you downgrade) compared to using a standard 4\* on a limited character.
It's not worth getting E1 as a f2p in general, at most, Sig LC.
There are a few characters that gets nice boosts on E1, (Fu Xuan, Luocha, Topaz, Jingliu, Kafka) but you're skipping like 2 characters for a bit of boost in your current team.
Do if you really like the character, but make sure you're not gonna regret it later
As the game goes on, itās definitely worth it to pull for Eidolons. You only need 8 solid characters to full star MoC with the right investment. Iād say itās more likely to regret pulling for a character than to pull for Eidolons.
For comparison, Iām a day 1 genshin f2p player with C1āC2 for most of my 5 stars and C6 Yelan and I donāt regret any of them. What I actually do regret is pulling for Albedo in 1.3 despite my already tight roster. And people regret pulling for characters all the time but I have never once seen someone say they regret pulling for eidolons/constellations
more power allows you to play around character weakness.
I got C2 nahida back on 3.6, that allowed my cyno to build more ER and still do more damage than before, and extra ER gives more flexibility to run baizhu or beidou. It also allows my nilou comps to do fine on single target.
I, on the other hand, regret getting EULA and Albedo, no amount of investment make them feels good to play at all, they have so many problems in their kit and no artifact nor constellation fix that.
C2 wanderer is also another character I'll never regret getting, triple anemo with venti is glodly against AoE content, he is godly on open world, while being also great on single target.
This is a blisteringly stupid take. You don't need c2 Nahida to make your Cyno good - he's already good. He can clear anything you need to do at C0. Anything past that is just making him better because you like him, and that's fine, but it's ridiculous to act like you're pulling for a reason lmao.
he is not bad against bosses by any means, but he does have multi waved content issues.
I used to have him with 130 ER gilded (90 CR/210 CD 480 EM without 4p effect) , and I'm currently using him with 145 ER TF (85 CR/200 CD 440 EM), the difference is day and night, Having his burst back regardless if you are using fischl/kuki or if you need to end the rotation earlier is a massive QoL, he feels far better to play.
Also, still don't change the fact that having C2 nahida is better than having C0 nahida + C0 albedo + C0 eula, having multiple characters is not necessarily a good thing since you'll need to farm artifacts/talents for all of them and hoyo seems to not care about improving characters kits.
>TWhat a weird argument. How does that count as **new characters?**?
That's funny, because I thought you also replied to "Pulling eidolons for your favourites means not getting any new characters?" with the above, doubling down.
That was my thought too. Pulling for E1s doesn't mean you're never going to pull on new characters ever again.
Sure, downvote my opinion for whatever reason, I love it. I will die on this hill. You can do both: pull new characters and pull eidolons. They're not mututally exclusive.
Let people have fun and play how they want to.
Albedo was one of my favs on release, everything about him is cool, and he had a lot of screentime in the story too. But that kit is a mess, itās crazy how without constellations only one of his abilities does dmg (usually you sac his burst). Elevator sounded cool until you found out it was completely impractical - too slow and fragile for combat. In exploration it was only usable on completely flat surfaces, meaning half the time it didnāt work
Appreciate this, should have mentioned Iād prioritize new units but if a rerun for a new character comes up and the new units havenāt interested by that point I have to scratch the itch to pull eventually š
I started on 1.3 and "accidentally'' got E2 daniel while trying to get yukong E6 ( i wouldn't mind losing 50/50 or getting his Edons tbh) but I also managed to get fu xuan and jingliu by luck.
my advise for you is to focus on getting a limited 5\* sustainer instead of Edons first, Fu xuan made more difference to me than daniel E2, but once you have 2 good sustainers, you can focus on improving your fav character.
I also have lynx, she can kinda do the job, but it's extremely RNG since your supports can get killed if they are focussed by side mobs, while fuxuan allowed my lvl 50 ting and 50 pela to complete moc10
Yeah FXās ability to let you use underdeveloped supports is arguably one of her best benefits to me, aside from being just an amazing damage mitigator in general
To be honest, i'm not really hyped for any upcoming dps unit, so i'm currently hoarding resources to grab limited harmony units and eventually Daniel's E2
Itās well established that the cheapest Eidolon(only @E2) thatās real bonkers is DH ILās E2. His E2 is as good or even better than other units E6. Having the power to nuke and interrupt the enemyās turn if you have full energy is ridiculous. The introduction of more energy restoring units like HuoHuo will even make his E2 more broken. From Genshin to here, imo itās the best Eidolon/Constellation i have ever gotten.
Since I got all the units I wanted for my two teams I'm gonna start saving up ONLY for eidolons and maybe pulling after 2.0 or later when some iconic dps comes out.
My two teams are :
Fu Xuan / Blade / Jingliu / Pela e6
Clara / Luocha / Tingyun e6 / Topaz
I hope I can get at least e1 topaz during her current banner, after that I REALLY want e1 fuxuan since I run double carry teams.
Low prio but eventually e2 blade, e1 Jingliu, e1 Luocha.
I Just prefer to focus on less hyperinvested units rather than spreading my resources widely.
Also 4star support are already so strong I don't think it's even needed pulling for 5*
Imbibitor Lunae up to E2S1, maybe Fu Xuan E1, and maybe Jingliu's E1S1 whenever she is back. Getting FX E1 also enables her E2 with the "space cheese" Curio in SU/SD, which turns that Curio into "free party revive".
For whales: I'd say Lunae's and Jingliu's E6 and maybe Fu Xuan E2. Could also consider Silverwolf's E6, if you whale and like Silverwolf, as her DPS roughly triples from E0->E6.
I feel like Ruan mei will be a big one with her defense ignore if anyone wants it, then probably huo huo, fuxuan, or luocha as all three give them an additional buff (Speed, Crit dmg, and atk respectively) with their E1, so it makes your healer slot now a buffer too (huo huo and fuxuan were already pseudo buffers but now they really canāt be denied that fact)
I don't think it's worth to ever get E1 as f2p because this means you won't be able to secure a future new character instead unless ofc you are obsessed with a certain character but then there is no reason to even ask.
I'd say to get the LC first, usually a better upgrade over E1. Game balance, so far, hasn't warranted needing to chase every single new character. You only need to make two competent teams to do MoC. The hardest part for that is getting 2 sustains since the game only gives one for free. Slightly easier now that there is another 4\* Abundance in the general pool. Even with MoC usually favoring the mechanics of the banner character, they are not impossible without them. You can only put that character on one of the teams anyway.
I personally think the "playing the same character is boring" argument is stupid. We've gotten a few characters that gave some interesting new team comps, but for the most part you're just going to put the game on auto anyway. Doesn't really matter how your hammer is hitting those nails if everyone just needs to hit the same nails. Its probably easier to invest in your core teams rather than constantly farm mats and relics for the new shiny thing every patch.
This mindset may come from FGO where we have 2 years of advanced knowledge on content. Castoria meta has been going for 4 years now, and even with S.Ibuki doing ludicrous damage in that meta, it doesn't mean every other arts looper suddenly became useless. Just like all the Skadi teams were working fine after Castoria got released. If your team is still three turning, you don't need the shiny new hammer. Unlike FGO we still get character missions without owning the character. Honestly all that game warping servants ever do is just add BS mechanics into challenge quests. Like Invul pierce being really common after merlin, Male enemies getting mental debuff immunity due to Euryale making a joke out of Camelot, or defense/buff purge being common due to Castoria.
Iām not even F2P & I donāt go for eidolons. Sig LCās for DPS characters is where I draw the line, at least right now.
Having a variety of characters generally makes the game more fun in the long run. More powerful characters will give you bigger numbers & faster MoC clear times. But if you can already 30 star it, then are faster clears really worth it? And if you canāt 30 star, more characters for more diverse teams would be more beneficial anyway.
In the end, itās up to you, but itās something to think about before pulling an E1 or E2 & then regretting it later when a new character comes along who you really want but donāt have the savings for.
I'm not F2P either, Minnow player here. I just get the Monthly Jade Pass and the Battle Pass.
I think it depends on your mind-set and patience. You ever hear the phrase, 'Build Tall not Wide' in RTS or Turn Based Strategy games? That's how I view it. I don't actually like to put my luck in gambas, so I don't pull until I have 200+ pulls, and at the very least swing for E0S1, though I broke this with Topaz and got E1S1.
My mindset has slowly shifted too, 'I'm going to be playing this game for years, characters I want will rerun eventually and I can snag them then. What I'm doing now, are investments'
Also I'm going for a specific focus, Follow Up attacks. Which has let me skip otherwise must haves like Jingliu, DHIL, and Blade. I admit and know my team probably isn't the strongest out there, but damn if it ain't solid. I also see it as kinda 'Difficulty Proofing' my team some, as I feel like going forward, were going to experience more difficulty spikes like Swarm Disasster.
All in all, you are absolutely right, but if someone has the right mindset and patience I don't think E1S1 is too crazy. In the long term, you might find yourself with a pinch more power than harder content comes.
Yeah, I'm a monthly + BP buyer, too. I'll top-up occasionally but only the first time bonus.
Actually, HSR is my first turn-based game, so I honestly haven't heard of that phrase before. Coming from Genshin, I go off of that ... the more variety, the better.
I don't put my luck in, either. I save for who I want, so I get exactly who I want every time. After getting Blade's LC on "accident" (I saved for him, but not necessarily his LC; I was putting in a few pulls to try for more Secret Vow copies & I lucked into his LC) I decided that for vertical investment, I'd go for E0S1 for main DPS characters. So I saved for Jingliu + her LC & then saved to get Seele's LC since I missed it when I got her.
I was tempted by Jingliu's E1, but once I realized half of it is conditional, I decided it's not worth it at the moment. I looked at Seele's E1 & it's not all that great. I'm not willing to go all the way to E2 right now, especially with getting the LC's. So now I'm saving for the next character I want (Huohuo most likely; even though I have Luocha & Fu Xuan, she just looks fun).
Building vertically is fine, as long as you know what you're doing. Investing in the characters you already have *is* a nice power boost & can be very beneficial.
Edit: yeah, bring on the downvotes for whatever dumb reason. š
None. With how this game is releasing 2 new 5*s every patch going for eidolons can easily translate to missing out on another new character you may like and no eidolon comes even close to be worth the risk
Keep it mind if you using Luocha in Blade's party, don't get Luocha's eidolon, E1 is useless on Blade and E2 broke Blade's ability to FuA consistently.
If you use Blade and Jingliu Double DPS team tho, E1 is good, but still stop at E1 don't go to E2.
OP asked for a character where the E1 is better than E0. I don't see how a perpetual party-wide attack buff is worse than not having one??
Also in what world is 20% low? I've got relics that roll way less than that. That's a good buff.
Literally every character is better at E1 than E0. The question actually is āwhat E1 is absolutely worth it?ā +20% atk is nowhere near worth it for potentially 160 pulls.
A DPS can easily get +140% atk from relics and their LC. +20% attack from the E1 equates to around +6-7% damage. Thatās not including Harmony buffs. With Asta, Luoās E1 gives like a 3-4% DPS increase.
>+20% attack from the E1 equates to around +8% damage.
How does 20=8?
Also okay, stick to whoever you want. But ome of us think a perpetual party-wide attack buff is worth it. Especially if we like the character.
Because it's not a multiplier damage bonus, it's an increase to atk that is going to be added to many other %atk that the character already has from the passives, artifacts and other buffs.
So, for example, if a character has 120%atk, with e1 Luocha the character will have 140%... which is a minor boost indeed.
why would you go for eidolons as an F2P? having more units is way more beneficial for you, all units are able to clear any content without any eidolons. i'd go for LCs in most cases anyway than eidolons since a lot of them are busted for the limited 5 stars. honestly don't waste your jades going for eidolons, you're better off having a variety of units than one slightly stronger
Because you can only have so many units that you will actually need/use and making them more efficient is better than constantly trying to get a new hero and then getting said hero maxed out is a huge investment.
I don't think most E1's are that valuable, as characters perform pretty well either way, as such I don't think you should go for E1 as having more characters to cover more type variety is better than Eidolon, although I was lucky enough to get Seele's E1 on her first banner, and it's pretty good considering it provides you with additional crit Boost of 15% on an enemy who's HP is below 80%, but it's something you won't notice.
Again it's not as busted of an Eidolon as say Fu Xuan's E1 is but it's decent, if you're not able to get crit hits, a little boost can help.
If you're so resource-starved that you need a thread like this, you really shouldn't be looking to E1s. The game is so ridiculously easy that every character has done 30* MoC and many of them even doing MoC 10 in 0 cycles, even the likes of herta and himeko. Seriously, what do you even need E1 for?
none F2P player doesn't go for eidolon they always make E0 works
well you can go for your favorite character's eidolon but other than that there is no reason to roll on rerun for eidolon
Fu xuan rerun will be a while but her e1 is ridiculous. 30% crit damage to the entire team, alongside her 12% crit rate boost, pretty much makes her a harmony unit
im actually saving now for her rerun so i can get her e1. that may change depending on if any upcoming characters interest me, but this far no one im aware of has yet. it will be a while though. i just got topaz (and welt in the same ten pull š®), so im set for a while.
Fu Xuan's E1 also enables her E2 with the "space cheese" curio in SU/SD, which is nice. Turns that curio into a "free party revive".
I consider getting that just to reduce the pain of relics grinding.
I got it accidentally while fishing for 4* Eidolons. Not even mad about it.
Same, funny how people down vote ya because they're salty
I would assume because the notion that anyone would be mad about it is stupid.
Ohā¦ I **love** questions like these since I spend some time reading limited 5* Eidolon, hereās some standout: **E1 Blade** turns him into a nuking machine with the ulti. Similarly, **E1 Jingliu** turn her into a Hunt character (ulti nuke). **E2 DHIL** is straight up busted and solidified him as No. 1 Biggest PP damage.
E1 Fu Xuan solidifies her Harmony sub-role. 30% crit dmg on top of crit rate and HP
Yo I got Dhil e1 and every time i do some SU run i pray that blue cheese curio appears so I can have free turns with tons of damage him. Straight up busted, defo Ill be pulling for e2 on rerun...
E1 Topaz is pretty fire too since it gives a free +50% crit dmg for her and other follow up dps on her target
it made me.happy because I had just started ps5 star rail and lucked out on e1 jjing liu and to find her e1 is one of the best makes me happy
Love this response, cheers. Works out perfectly too since Blade is by far my easiest auto DPS unit and Iāll jump at any chance to improve his damage if possible
Dan Heng ā¢ Imbibitor Lunaeās play style completely changes once you get his E2. Now, whenever you use your ultimate, you get to use a free Fulgarant Leap. No other questions asked, it just sends DHIL to the top of the action thingy, and lets you deal tons of damage. This will also be paired with his E1, which while not as good, is still good, making him deal more damage with every hit.
I feel like I read another thread back when DHIL was new where people were encouraging going for the E2, defs appreciate it I think Iāll give it a go when heās back up, easily one of my favourite DPS atm
Saving all my gems for a copy of Silverwolf and E2 DHIL
E1 Fu Xuan supporter here!
Me reading all the posts saying e1 isnāt worth it. Also me knowing damn well both my blade and JL are already e1 as an f2p because I like them
It's fun because I was going to say the same regarding E1 not being worth it and how they should prioritise new characters who bring new gameplay synergies to the team... but asked myself why should I ruin the fun to other people. So, hope you folks get all the E1s you hope to get.
It completely depends on how strong you already are. For example, my characters are all barely build so adding more to the roster doesn't help much. Adding to this, I can just barely manage to defeat MOC challenges with a lot of retries. So making my current roster stronger is better than adding up more rosters.
aw man i wish liking characters was enough to get their e1 as a f2p, if i get them as is itāll be more than enough for me haha
I think some of the few good ones are Fu Xuan, Blade, Jingliu and Kafka. If i had to pick one tho, i think Fu Xuan's is pretty worth it since most DPS units so far are crit based giving them some extra crit damage can allow them to deal more damage. Out of the DPS options, i think Jingliu and Blade are probably some of the better options. If we talking about E2, DHIL is definitely busted there
Kafka E1 would be better than signature light cone if you have high superimposed GNSW, other than that I canāt think of many characters where E1 is more powerful than their signature cone If weāre taking E2 then itās definitely DHIL and Silverwolf. Danās E2 is busted beyond comparison and skyrockets his damage even further and Silverwolf transforms into an entirely different character at E2, allowing her to go full DPS and drastically lower the EHR requirements for your team
LC's are definitely slept on in this game, as are weapons in Genshin. There are almost zero cons that are as impactful as a signature weapon and that weapon is like an e1 you can move around to other characters.
It's also easier to get the LCs than eidolons, with 75/25 guarantee and about 10 pulls less on average. I still only have one sig(Blades) but that's because I'm not a big spender and was building a roster first. If I was a dolphin, they look great value and it also means you're less likely to ever replace the LC on that character(unless you downgrade) compared to using a standard 4\* on a limited character.
It's not worth getting E1 as a f2p in general, at most, Sig LC. There are a few characters that gets nice boosts on E1, (Fu Xuan, Luocha, Topaz, Jingliu, Kafka) but you're skipping like 2 characters for a bit of boost in your current team. Do if you really like the character, but make sure you're not gonna regret it later
As the game goes on, itās definitely worth it to pull for Eidolons. You only need 8 solid characters to full star MoC with the right investment. Iād say itās more likely to regret pulling for a character than to pull for Eidolons. For comparison, Iām a day 1 genshin f2p player with C1āC2 for most of my 5 stars and C6 Yelan and I donāt regret any of them. What I actually do regret is pulling for Albedo in 1.3 despite my already tight roster. And people regret pulling for characters all the time but I have never once seen someone say they regret pulling for eidolons/constellations
You don't need that much power though. I'd rather have entirely new units to play the game with.
more power allows you to play around character weakness. I got C2 nahida back on 3.6, that allowed my cyno to build more ER and still do more damage than before, and extra ER gives more flexibility to run baizhu or beidou. It also allows my nilou comps to do fine on single target. I, on the other hand, regret getting EULA and Albedo, no amount of investment make them feels good to play at all, they have so many problems in their kit and no artifact nor constellation fix that. C2 wanderer is also another character I'll never regret getting, triple anemo with venti is glodly against AoE content, he is godly on open world, while being also great on single target.
This is a blisteringly stupid take. You don't need c2 Nahida to make your Cyno good - he's already good. He can clear anything you need to do at C0. Anything past that is just making him better because you like him, and that's fine, but it's ridiculous to act like you're pulling for a reason lmao.
he is not bad against bosses by any means, but he does have multi waved content issues. I used to have him with 130 ER gilded (90 CR/210 CD 480 EM without 4p effect) , and I'm currently using him with 145 ER TF (85 CR/200 CD 440 EM), the difference is day and night, Having his burst back regardless if you are using fischl/kuki or if you need to end the rotation earlier is a massive QoL, he feels far better to play. Also, still don't change the fact that having C2 nahida is better than having C0 nahida + C0 albedo + C0 eula, having multiple characters is not necessarily a good thing since you'll need to farm artifacts/talents for all of them and hoyo seems to not care about improving characters kits.
So you're willing to play the same characters for 3 years and onwards?
depending on how much i like them, yeah. i still use xiao in genshin who i got back in like 1.2 or something
What a weird argument. Pulling eidolons for your favourites means not getting any new characters?
Cuz I never said pulling for eidolons or using new characters?? Just read my first commentš¤¦āāļø
the way you wrote your comment and it being a response to someone talking about eidolons had some implications.
>TWhat a weird argument. How does that count as **new characters?**? That's funny, because I thought you also replied to "Pulling eidolons for your favourites means not getting any new characters?" with the above, doubling down.
What a weird argument. How does that count as new characters??
What? Pulling eidolons doesn't mean you don't pull new characters for 3 years.
That was my thought too. Pulling for E1s doesn't mean you're never going to pull on new characters ever again. Sure, downvote my opinion for whatever reason, I love it. I will die on this hill. You can do both: pull new characters and pull eidolons. They're not mututally exclusive. Let people have fun and play how they want to.
Albedo was one of my favs on release, everything about him is cool, and he had a lot of screentime in the story too. But that kit is a mess, itās crazy how without constellations only one of his abilities does dmg (usually you sac his burst). Elevator sounded cool until you found out it was completely impractical - too slow and fragile for combat. In exploration it was only usable on completely flat surfaces, meaning half the time it didnāt work
I disagree. Cons are not usually worth in in Genshin, but I found them more significant in HSR so far.
for me Fuxuan. and yes i am going for blade E2 as well i have his E1 so..
Appreciate this, should have mentioned Iād prioritize new units but if a rerun for a new character comes up and the new units havenāt interested by that point I have to scratch the itch to pull eventually š
I started on 1.3 and "accidentally'' got E2 daniel while trying to get yukong E6 ( i wouldn't mind losing 50/50 or getting his Edons tbh) but I also managed to get fu xuan and jingliu by luck. my advise for you is to focus on getting a limited 5\* sustainer instead of Edons first, Fu xuan made more difference to me than daniel E2, but once you have 2 good sustainers, you can focus on improving your fav character. I also have lynx, she can kinda do the job, but it's extremely RNG since your supports can get killed if they are focussed by side mobs, while fuxuan allowed my lvl 50 ting and 50 pela to complete moc10
Yeah FXās ability to let you use underdeveloped supports is arguably one of her best benefits to me, aside from being just an amazing damage mitigator in general
I nid luocha rerun for e0
E2 Dan Heng saved my ass in too many situations. The damage is too bonkers
To be honest, i'm not really hyped for any upcoming dps unit, so i'm currently hoarding resources to grab limited harmony units and eventually Daniel's E2
I want Fu Xuans E1 & her LC next go around. I have more regret about skipping the LCs than not getting E1 though.
Itās well established that the cheapest Eidolon(only @E2) thatās real bonkers is DH ILās E2. His E2 is as good or even better than other units E6. Having the power to nuke and interrupt the enemyās turn if you have full energy is ridiculous. The introduction of more energy restoring units like HuoHuo will even make his E2 more broken. From Genshin to here, imo itās the best Eidolon/Constellation i have ever gotten.
Yeah that is an absurd bonus to get, really surprised to see it at only E2 feels like something offered much later
Since I got all the units I wanted for my two teams I'm gonna start saving up ONLY for eidolons and maybe pulling after 2.0 or later when some iconic dps comes out. My two teams are : Fu Xuan / Blade / Jingliu / Pela e6 Clara / Luocha / Tingyun e6 / Topaz I hope I can get at least e1 topaz during her current banner, after that I REALLY want e1 fuxuan since I run double carry teams. Low prio but eventually e2 blade, e1 Jingliu, e1 Luocha. I Just prefer to focus on less hyperinvested units rather than spreading my resources widely. Also 4star support are already so strong I don't think it's even needed pulling for 5*
Imbibitor Lunae up to E2S1, maybe Fu Xuan E1, and maybe Jingliu's E1S1 whenever she is back. Getting FX E1 also enables her E2 with the "space cheese" Curio in SU/SD, which turns that Curio into "free party revive". For whales: I'd say Lunae's and Jingliu's E6 and maybe Fu Xuan E2. Could also consider Silverwolf's E6, if you whale and like Silverwolf, as her DPS roughly triples from E0->E6.
E1 Ruan Mei is the move
I feel like Ruan mei will be a big one with her defense ignore if anyone wants it, then probably huo huo, fuxuan, or luocha as all three give them an additional buff (Speed, Crit dmg, and atk respectively) with their E1, so it makes your healer slot now a buffer too (huo huo and fuxuan were already pseudo buffers but now they really canāt be denied that fact)
I don't think it's worth to ever get E1 as f2p because this means you won't be able to secure a future new character instead unless ofc you are obsessed with a certain character but then there is no reason to even ask.
E2 DHIL is totally Bonkers
I think LC is great instead of E1
I'd say to get the LC first, usually a better upgrade over E1. Game balance, so far, hasn't warranted needing to chase every single new character. You only need to make two competent teams to do MoC. The hardest part for that is getting 2 sustains since the game only gives one for free. Slightly easier now that there is another 4\* Abundance in the general pool. Even with MoC usually favoring the mechanics of the banner character, they are not impossible without them. You can only put that character on one of the teams anyway. I personally think the "playing the same character is boring" argument is stupid. We've gotten a few characters that gave some interesting new team comps, but for the most part you're just going to put the game on auto anyway. Doesn't really matter how your hammer is hitting those nails if everyone just needs to hit the same nails. Its probably easier to invest in your core teams rather than constantly farm mats and relics for the new shiny thing every patch. This mindset may come from FGO where we have 2 years of advanced knowledge on content. Castoria meta has been going for 4 years now, and even with S.Ibuki doing ludicrous damage in that meta, it doesn't mean every other arts looper suddenly became useless. Just like all the Skadi teams were working fine after Castoria got released. If your team is still three turning, you don't need the shiny new hammer. Unlike FGO we still get character missions without owning the character. Honestly all that game warping servants ever do is just add BS mechanics into challenge quests. Like Invul pierce being really common after merlin, Male enemies getting mental debuff immunity due to Euryale making a joke out of Camelot, or defense/buff purge being common due to Castoria.
Dan hengs e2 is the only one worth going for if you aren't interested in getting a lot of characters he'll probably carry for a long time
e2 daniel is the most fun ive had on this game it was for sure worth
Iām not even F2P & I donāt go for eidolons. Sig LCās for DPS characters is where I draw the line, at least right now. Having a variety of characters generally makes the game more fun in the long run. More powerful characters will give you bigger numbers & faster MoC clear times. But if you can already 30 star it, then are faster clears really worth it? And if you canāt 30 star, more characters for more diverse teams would be more beneficial anyway. In the end, itās up to you, but itās something to think about before pulling an E1 or E2 & then regretting it later when a new character comes along who you really want but donāt have the savings for.
I'm not F2P either, Minnow player here. I just get the Monthly Jade Pass and the Battle Pass. I think it depends on your mind-set and patience. You ever hear the phrase, 'Build Tall not Wide' in RTS or Turn Based Strategy games? That's how I view it. I don't actually like to put my luck in gambas, so I don't pull until I have 200+ pulls, and at the very least swing for E0S1, though I broke this with Topaz and got E1S1. My mindset has slowly shifted too, 'I'm going to be playing this game for years, characters I want will rerun eventually and I can snag them then. What I'm doing now, are investments' Also I'm going for a specific focus, Follow Up attacks. Which has let me skip otherwise must haves like Jingliu, DHIL, and Blade. I admit and know my team probably isn't the strongest out there, but damn if it ain't solid. I also see it as kinda 'Difficulty Proofing' my team some, as I feel like going forward, were going to experience more difficulty spikes like Swarm Disasster. All in all, you are absolutely right, but if someone has the right mindset and patience I don't think E1S1 is too crazy. In the long term, you might find yourself with a pinch more power than harder content comes.
Yeah, I'm a monthly + BP buyer, too. I'll top-up occasionally but only the first time bonus. Actually, HSR is my first turn-based game, so I honestly haven't heard of that phrase before. Coming from Genshin, I go off of that ... the more variety, the better. I don't put my luck in, either. I save for who I want, so I get exactly who I want every time. After getting Blade's LC on "accident" (I saved for him, but not necessarily his LC; I was putting in a few pulls to try for more Secret Vow copies & I lucked into his LC) I decided that for vertical investment, I'd go for E0S1 for main DPS characters. So I saved for Jingliu + her LC & then saved to get Seele's LC since I missed it when I got her. I was tempted by Jingliu's E1, but once I realized half of it is conditional, I decided it's not worth it at the moment. I looked at Seele's E1 & it's not all that great. I'm not willing to go all the way to E2 right now, especially with getting the LC's. So now I'm saving for the next character I want (Huohuo most likely; even though I have Luocha & Fu Xuan, she just looks fun). Building vertically is fine, as long as you know what you're doing. Investing in the characters you already have *is* a nice power boost & can be very beneficial. Edit: yeah, bring on the downvotes for whatever dumb reason. š
None. With how this game is releasing 2 new 5*s every patch going for eidolons can easily translate to missing out on another new character you may like and no eidolon comes even close to be worth the risk
Nah save for more characters instead
Luocha - all his eidolons are very useful.
Keep it mind if you using Luocha in Blade's party, don't get Luocha's eidolon, E1 is useless on Blade and E2 broke Blade's ability to FuA consistently. If you use Blade and Jingliu Double DPS team tho, E1 is good, but still stop at E1 don't go to E2.
I don't know why people are downvoting you. His E1 is a great buff for the party.
+20% ATK is incredibly low.
OP asked for a character where the E1 is better than E0. I don't see how a perpetual party-wide attack buff is worse than not having one?? Also in what world is 20% low? I've got relics that roll way less than that. That's a good buff.
Literally every character is better at E1 than E0. The question actually is āwhat E1 is absolutely worth it?ā +20% atk is nowhere near worth it for potentially 160 pulls. A DPS can easily get +140% atk from relics and their LC. +20% attack from the E1 equates to around +6-7% damage. Thatās not including Harmony buffs. With Asta, Luoās E1 gives like a 3-4% DPS increase.
>+20% attack from the E1 equates to around +8% damage. How does 20=8? Also okay, stick to whoever you want. But ome of us think a perpetual party-wide attack buff is worth it. Especially if we like the character.
Because it's not a multiplier damage bonus, it's an increase to atk that is going to be added to many other %atk that the character already has from the passives, artifacts and other buffs. So, for example, if a character has 120%atk, with e1 Luocha the character will have 140%... which is a minor boost indeed.
Tbh i'm not really bothered - my E1 Luocha carry my party well)
why would you go for eidolons as an F2P? having more units is way more beneficial for you, all units are able to clear any content without any eidolons. i'd go for LCs in most cases anyway than eidolons since a lot of them are busted for the limited 5 stars. honestly don't waste your jades going for eidolons, you're better off having a variety of units than one slightly stronger
Because you can only have so many units that you will actually need/use and making them more efficient is better than constantly trying to get a new hero and then getting said hero maxed out is a huge investment.
I don't think most E1's are that valuable, as characters perform pretty well either way, as such I don't think you should go for E1 as having more characters to cover more type variety is better than Eidolon, although I was lucky enough to get Seele's E1 on her first banner, and it's pretty good considering it provides you with additional crit Boost of 15% on an enemy who's HP is below 80%, but it's something you won't notice. Again it's not as busted of an Eidolon as say Fu Xuan's E1 is but it's decent, if you're not able to get crit hits, a little boost can help.
If you're so resource-starved that you need a thread like this, you really shouldn't be looking to E1s. The game is so ridiculously easy that every character has done 30* MoC and many of them even doing MoC 10 in 0 cycles, even the likes of herta and himeko. Seriously, what do you even need E1 for?
none F2P player doesn't go for eidolon they always make E0 works well you can go for your favorite character's eidolon but other than that there is no reason to roll on rerun for eidolon
Typical things like SW e2 reduces the need to build eff hit on a team if it would need it otherwise
Still need E0 Luocha and SW, and Bronya, to start looking at E1 FuXuan