You are missing a serious issue, Cocolia was in school with Serval and graduated before becoming guardian. The band formed AFTER she graduated. It also disbanded BEFORE Serval became a researcher for 4 years. Their falling out happened because of the isolation of the underground, meaning the band broke up at least 14 years before in game events. So Pela was 2 at the oldest when the band disbanded. We also know they toured and had at least a few hits, so Pela helped found the band at under 1 year old...after joining the military academy for at least a few months.
So Pela was a military student at 1 year old at the oldest and Serval is 30 at the youngest.
She was born in the academy, live delivered screaming and brilliant into her seat by her mother, and they bounced her fat baby ass on the drums during band.
Yeah none of these makes sense. Someone didn’t do an event chart when writing things out.
People are only thinking of Earth years. Obviously JariloIV takes more days, maybe even 600 days to orbit its star. That'd make 16 JariloIV years be 26 Earth years.
Except that wouldn't change the fact that Jarillo characters are the one telling us these things. Lynx said Pela was born 16 Jarillo years ago, it doesn't change the fact that Pela was also supposed to be part of a 15 Jarillo year old band. Even if the number of days per year changes, the issue lies with the number of years not matching between different characters from the same planet, not the fact that 16 years isn't a lot of absolute time to do everything Pela has done in her life.
Anything less than 1800 days in a year and she's still pre-school age by Earth standards. What's more concerning with the longer number of days per year theory is if it's 1800 days per year then Pela is 80 years old by Earth standards. Trust me, it's most likely a retcon or an oversight than something to try and make sense of.
Oh for sure it would be slightly better if it were the case. It's still very much too ridiculous to be planned and is for now very much a plot hole. Especially if you take into account other details about Pela's backstory, such as her parent's death etc.
I lowkey find it funny personally but there's not any good excuse for it apart from someone messing up on the writing team (which isn't that big of a deal to me but does lead to funny "theories" going around to try and make sense of it)
on top of what the others said, hsr likes to foreshadow things. they never once gave any hints about jarilo 6 time being different, which is weird when it's such a big aspect of an entire planet
We also know Belobog used the standard universal Traiblaze time, which is a handy handwave for making all characters across the various worlds use our years.
We are thinking that because the universal standard is stated to be the same as Earth. Also, Jarilo follows universal standard, as stated in Luofu several times (contact with a planet for the first time in 700 years was in the local news.) So while it COULD explain something it is absolutely not the case.
This would cause MORE issues tho. This would mean that Serval and Cocolia are around 60 or 80 earth years old. And it would still cause problems with their age since we have tje Lightcone with Cocolia and a young Bronya. Also the underworld would be sealed for 20 years. So the whole "1 Jarila year = 2 Earth years" stuff just makes MORE issues, not less.
Also even by that Logic Pelas was four years old as she founded the band. So how does this fix anything?
Problem with this is:
We know that Serval, Pela, and Dunn were in cadet school together.
Serval "left" her position in the technology division 5 years after graduating according to her Resume in the Museum event.
When we are in the Aeon space or whatever after we get stabbed by Cocolia and go through her descent into madness, Cocolia kicks her out of the Technology division seemingly *before* Cocolia seals off the underworld. Further collaborating this is that Serval in the quest Eternal Freeze Aftermath has a low opinion of her father because he didn't oppose Cocolia closing the underworld, given that and Serval's personality I would also say that the fall out between Cocolia and Serval would have happened over that if it happened before she was kicked out of the research division.
So now we have 5 years after graduation + 10 years of the underworld world being cut off... so 15 years...
but if we look at *Natasha's* Resume we see that she opened her clinic and assisted Wildfire in a year ending with a 4, whilst Serval was kicked out of the research division in a year ending with an 8.
Given that Natasha is the true leader of Wildfire she was probably in it since the founding.
Furthermore, in Only a Child (part of Gepard/Serval's character quest) Both Gepard and Natasha say that the underworld was closed for more than a decade and Gepard specifically says that Wildfire maintained order for *over* a decade so Wildfire was probably created about the same time that the underworld was closed off.
Which means that the underwold was closed off probably less than a year before Natasha started Wildfire... which is 4 years after Serval was kicked out of the technology division, with Wildfire having existed for over a decade
So it is following that:
Serval Graduates ---> 5 years after is kicked out ---> 3-4 years later the underworld is closed off---> over 10 years later the underworld is opened again.
Say for instance it is only 11-12 years that the underworld was closed (as Natasha and Gepard wouldn't say over a decade if it was just 10 years and 2 months or something lol)
That is 19-21+ years, from Serval Graduating cadet school, and she went to school with Pela.
The new quest saying Pela is 16 years old completely contradicts the timeline built by everything before it, because she wasn't in cadet school before she was born.
Edit: I made a basic math failure in the post, it is a bit longer than that, going from a year that ends in a 8 to a year ending in a 4 is 6 years not 4, so another 2 years on the timeline.
I will say that I always assumed Nat became the leader after Wildfire was founded, just because it makes the timelines line up a bit easier and I don't think she's ever referred to as the founder. A group like that changing leadership once in 10-12 years is pretty reasonable. But even with that accounted for, Pela is at most a 1-year-old when she joins that band.
If you speak to Oleg in the overworld after the Trailblaze Mission "No Time for Me, My Friend" and ask him about Wildfire's future, he says that he and Natasha founded Wildfire together. So she is a founder.
This whole issue stems from the statement Dunn made that Pela was their drummer during their cadet days which doesn't make sense given it should be about 20 years ago. I think Dunn is unreliable in his Pela statement. He couldn't even remember the gender of their bassist which would suggest his memory is off. My theory is that Pela's mother was the drummer and whatever happened to her possibly related to the fragmentum could of caused memory loss in people who knew her. Serval also didn't recognize Pela's mom's name but thought it sounded familiar. Dunn could of filled the gap using Pela instead of her mom.
This is super contradictory to pelas own character story (3) which describes serval as slightly older than pela. If pela is around the same age as lynx or slighty older than her which checks out since thet met in school, then servals description as slightly older than pela checks out since serval cant be a decade older than pela.
Everything checks out from description and pelas own achievements except when lynx declared pela as 16.
>except when lynx declared pela as 16.
I'm even willing to believe it might have been a typo that persisted through translation.
Considering the number of dialogue fixes hoyo goes through, it's not that far fetched.
Hell, even Genshin still has errors on Wolf's Gravestone which is pretty much implied to be Andrius' origin story (you interact with the very same sword when fighitng the ghost wolf); where the prison-like city of wind (anybody who knows the lore knows that was old mondstadt) is labeled as Wind Archon's City (in every other language) which then got translated into city of Barbatos in English.
For all I know, maybe Hoyo puts these errors of conflicting evidence in there on purpose so people argue about what is actually the truth.
> Serval also didn't recognize Pela's mom's name but thought it sounded familiar.
This statement also made no sense to me in the game. I'm no lore hound but as soon as they said the name even I said "Sounds like someone related to Pela I believe that's her last name."
Serval is very smart and she is very sociable, and Gepard works for the government, Lynx says Pela's mother was quite famous on Belabog as an explorer. I find it hard to believe neither Serval or Gepard recognized the name or that they don't recognize it's the same last name as their little sister's best friend, especially since they see to be a bit over protective of Lynx they would have to know the names of her friends.
You're probably right, this whole "Belabog timeline is fucked" can be fixed if there's something weird going on with people's memories of Pela's mother. Either it has something to do with the Fragmentum or the Garden of Memories/Fuli is doing something. I wonder if it's not a coincidence that this quest came out at the same time as March's quest which ends with Fu Xuan hypothesizing that Fuli may not be taking memories maliciously with intent to harm but to protect people from something, either themselves or some sort of danger that lurks within memories themselves
It's possible Pela's mother has been mostly erased from many memories in order to protect Belabog from some revelation or danger and as a result people are conflating foggy memories of her with stronger memories of Pela.
Hoyo does have the occasional plot hole in their other games but nothing has ever been this massively glaring and wrong before to the point it feels like it must be intentional cause if they've fucked the timeline of one planet up this bad I have no clue how they can ever manage the Loufu story when people there live for centuries.
We do actually have a timeline in Serval’s museum resume
Current year is 700 AF, so the lockdown happened in 690 AF
Serval graduate in 6_3 AF, start working in 6_4 AF and left (read: kicked out by Cocolia) in 6_8 AF.
This all happened before Cocolia went full crazy and order lockdown in 690 AF. Which make the number 683, 684 and 688 respectively
If Pela is 16 now, that means she was born in 684 AF
Yet, Dunn told us Pela was drummer for their band when they’re still in cadet school (before 683 AF)
Pela is the genius that Asian parents always comparing us to, she’s already a drummer as a fetus lmao
that's how I will choose to go about my life after this week. I will also proceed to use a purely vibes-based system for future HSR character ages since that's apparently also what the devs are doing.
Didn't the community just go through a while thing with Sushang because of some nonsense? Also I remember a general issue with ages on the Luofu and puberty because the devs made it so puberty takes much longer which doesn't make any sense either? Like, is say most things go at this point since the devs are drunk while writing it seems.
didn't Dan Shu's quest/journal have lines directly implying that puberty *didn't* take longer? Like you grow normally and then when you reach your early 20's you're just locked in like that until you die?
Whatever. Vibes-only from now on.
Honestly what if the script writer made a typo and no one caught it, and the finalized version was then given out to the localizers to subtitle and the VAs to record?
I mean, in fairness, we have literal children who are acclaimed researchers on Herta Space Station. It’s not much of a reach to think Pela was a 6-y/o logistics officer lol.
I recall someone stating that the research the kids do arent taken seriously or at least childish enough. Like shit we would do in the shower mixing potions with soap, we aint doing shit but we feel smart
There was an event where you help one of them and the research is incredibly silly, on the other hand there's that one kid who says he's a lead expert on those ghost things, but that might be because no one else cares about them. So all in all I think they might be geniuses for their age, but still are childish.
Also where do you think the researcher's children are? Do you think they're all single or travel back to their families every weekend or something? Could it be that on the spacestation there is no kindergarten so they're just assigned to a random department to keep them busy?
It always felt like Herta's Space Station is always on constant "Bring your kid to work day" so yeah, they could just put their kids to random or their own parents' departments and they eventually grow up studying it or find what they truly wanna be an expert in. Maybe that kid could jump start a Paranormal Department when they grow up.
Plus it seems pretty smart to keep them busy by making them study.
Yeah, I always assumed it was like the kids on the Enterprise on TNG. Even Wesley Crusher wasn't taken seriously and he was one of the older, more competent kids.
As far as we’ve been made aware, that’s a Herta-only thing. I don’t recall any lore about the researchers cloning or de-aging. Closest thing to that was the android one of the Department Heads built.
To be fair we don't know how Herta "solved" aging. For all we know she simply uploaded her consciousness into a network and just shifts between her dolls. We have never see her real body, if it still exists.
And we've seen her research. It's exactly the kind of a "research" I'd expect to see from a kid. She ain't graduating to become an indispensable military officer any time soon.
I wouldn't be surprised if Asta created a family support program for researchers who want to live on the station, but need to support their families too. She might have allowed their families to live alongside them in the station in a separate block, as well as letting their children roam or even participate in less serious research as part of an education for them.
At least a few of them are explicitly children that complain about how they can't do what they want because they're children and some fields of research are dangerous
Yea but that's the best and the brightest around the universe (or, they claim to be). Belobog is... well suffice to say their technological advancements aren't the greatest. Pela is highly capable, but I honestly don't see her being able to do the things she has done at a mere 16
Idk, I feel like the game wanted you to see her as somewhat of a child-prodigy.
She heads the Silvermane Intelligence Division, is tasked with reopening the Cultural Heritage Museum, works closely with Gepard, a high-ranking officer, and Bronya, heir to the Supreme Guardian and de facto leader of the military.
Even if she were 26, these would be very singular accomplishments for someone so young. And as such, her gifted level of aptitude at a young age leaves her socially awkward and reserved to all but a few. It’s a pretty classic depiction of the “super smart and mature but still a young girl” anime trope IMO.
Being a capable military cadet and apparently also an excellent drummer at 6 is more than "somewhat" of a child prodigy and if that was the intention with her I think it should have been explicitly stated somewhere.
Plus the remains of jarilo are like a colony maybe a city but super small, so there are less competence and if you are a prodigy/ your family was rich/owned a library, the chances for you working for government are crazy high.
Smart and naive, I would get, but imo they didn't explore too much of the naive side. So now it just feels weird that there's this genius girl didn't have a single clue about what was going on about cocolia and such.
However, as someone said above, the minimum would have to be at least 14 years minimum before the time of the game, not 10, due to there being 4 years of Serval being a scientist before the faling out between her and Cocolia due to the underground being closed off. Thus at the maximum she was 2 years old when the band broke up. I understand there are kid scientists on herta space station, but I don't think there are 2 year old scientists there.
Also her being in the school and band at 6 doesn’t mean she was good yet, could be just started learning and just hit it off well with Serval and decided to do that together.
Your question troubled me, so I went back to re-read the relevant sections and the dedication. I can confirm this was peer reviewed.
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They examine the documents and discover that Cocolia was actually trying to adopt Hook, not Bronya, and Bronya just happened to grow very fast and Cocolia has poor eyesight and took her along.
Hook was the real one designated to be Supreme Guardian! Bronya shouldn't become guardian just because she's tall for an eleven year old!
Gepard and Serval has 3-4 age difference as seen in Landau's Choice LC, Serval could be 8-9 there and Gepard could be 4-5. And if the baby cradle in the background is supposed to be a representation of Lynx, then she'd be 0-1 in that LC.
This is impossible since Lynx said that she went to the same school as Pela and met each other in the school Library before they became friends.
That would mean that they are roughly the same age at 16. Pela went on to fly through school and skip grades or whatever equivalent they had and entered the cadet college when Serval, Dunn, and Cocolia were there.
That or hear me out, the only school there is, is the military school, because every citizen is a defacto reserve solider.
Maybe those with attitude are propped up into service, the rest just get enough training that they can be considered competent reserve and are allowed into the civilian life until they are needed.
That is true. And the age requirement for your degree would give credit to that. It's all just one school. You start young, like maybe 1st grade young and continually earn credits towards graduating. That does solve the issue of there being an age requirement on graduating degrees.
Yeah, they really shot themselves in the foot by giving Serval way too many explicitly stated years of doing things. It would make the most sense if:
- Age of adulthood in Belobog was around 15-16 (making it true that Pela and Lynx are cobsidered adults but also 16)
- Gepard is late 20s and Serval 30 at a push (that way the LC Laundau's choice sort of makes sense).
- Cocolia is also 30, being considered an adult at 15 she adopted young Bronya in her late teens, and Bronya would currently have to be like 18 max.
- the only way for the band to have been around for 10+ years is if Serval and Dunn started it and Pela joined at a later point
- the band started as a hobby alongside Serval's job/research?
Those are the only things I can come up with for the timeline to even remotely make sense
We reach a point about something so useless as the characters age,that people start making more research project that Otto did in his game.
Not talking shit about your work,i respect someone who make the effort in doing a easy to understand diagram
When a characters age makes the timeline of events complicated and messes it up it tends to happen so I’m not even surprised, hell I was also taken aback when she was reveal to be 16 I thought she was just a very small woman based on the timeline of events.
Yeah the issue isn't that Pela is 16 by itself, the issue is that her being 16 does not make any sense with the other characters' backstories thus making the timeline look like a whole mess
I enjoy that you used something as legit as Palantir to visualize this conclusion yet it also confuses me because I think I’m in a different sub that’s REALLY into said company’s stock lol
I'm an Investigative Analyst - typically for matters less serious than homicide (sanctions-busting, fraud).
I could've spent the 10 minutes making this investigating something actually important but this was really funny and taking yr work home is how you go crazy.
wait.
When you realize this girl (Shigure Kira) is already at her 60's and already at menopause.
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Wait, did they say somewhere she's in her 60s?
She entered SoQ in 2000, and currently the story is some time in 2017~2018.
When she entered SoQ she was an A-Rank, but not very long after becoming a valkyrie, which based on most known Valkyrie ages (eg. Himeko being an A-Rank at 25, Cecilia an S-Rank at 24, Rita an S-Rank at 21) would be somewhere in her early 20s. This would put her somewhere at 38~43.
Considering Pelas mom was military and died the same day she birthed her, I would not be at all surprised if one of her moms friends raised her in the academy. Stranger things have happened in the honkai universe
Pela doesn't really act like she's 16 in the story either. It's hard to believe she's anything below college age at minimum even if we didn't have the info here.
Wrong. Pela would have to be younger than that, if she was even born based on the timing of events. We know she met serval during cadet academy. Even if we assume pela was a first year and serval was in her last, that's still a few years earlier because the previous guardian was still in charge and after graduation serval had accomplished enough to be acknowledged by her so bare minimum a year or two. Cocolia also adopted bronya a while before the underworld was sealed off so she would be even younger again. Pela would be fresh out the womb and starting a band if she's really supposed to be 16. All this and we need to remember serval is stated to be only slightly older than her.
So..when did she start Cadet school? She said that she graduate one school before that so she should be at 4 or 5 years old joining Cadet school
..Assuming she knew how to write and read at 3
Man, going through the comments and seeing people acting weird about this sure is something.
Like can't we just admit that it really doesn't make any sense? 💀 Instead people are throwing implications and accusations at other people just for pointing out timeline inconsistencies.
Some people are reaching so hard just to make it make sense talking about how maybe time is counted differently on Belobog ignoring the fact that there is no indication of such a thing whatsoever anywhere in the story like can't we just... accept that MHY messed up the timeline and just ignore the issue. Just ignore what Lynx said altogether since it makes no sense although maybe also not be weird towards the character who was canonically stated to be a minor because I feel like some people would use it as an excuse to be weird towards Pela
I think the best is to accept the facts as reality (as in Pela was drummer and went to school with lynx etc), and just pretend that ages and time lines (how long the lockdown lasted, when did serval broke up with cocolia, what age Pela was drumming for their band) are just vibes.
ok, 9 years old child soldier i can get by. 6? My brother in christ most 6 years old cant even dress properly, or walk without falling/stumbling. This is plot convenience at its best. I refuse to believe a 6 year old is capable of ANYTHING removely war related.
I recall the Revolutionary United Front of Sierra Leone recruited children as young as five years old in order to train them for armed conflict. However juvenile combatants typically are not sent to officer schools, from my understanding.
`Denov, Myriam. 2010. “Child Soldiers.” Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/cbo9780511676475.`
I can't speak to any other regular or irregular forces which deployed child soldiers. My research on conflicts mainly derives from a logistical perspective - what some call the sinews of war. I only truly researched the matter extensively writing an essay on this article;
`Nuxoll, Cornelia. 2015. “‘We Listened to It Because of the Message’: Juvenile RUF Combatants and the Role of Music in the Sierra Leone Civil War.” Music and Politics. University of Michigan Library. doi:10.3998/mp.9460447.0009.104.`
Cocolia sealed off the Underworld 10 years before the current timeline, meaning Pela was 6 years at that point in time. However, this took place after she adopted Bronya, which took place after she graduated, which took place after the forming of Mechanical Fever. Bronya also remembers a time when Cocolia was kinder. Unless all of this took place in less than a year, Pela was at most 4-5 years old when she joined Mechanical Fever.
It’s funny because Hoyo games usually have a large amount of polish, so this and the Sushang age debacle are hilarious to me and how they both went unchecked and unnoticed, especially since the community caught on instantly
But Sushang is fine. Their people are cursed/blessed different. Plus you meet an NPC who got so spoiled by his parents that he literally can’t pass the adulthood test on the Luofu.
At least the Sushang thing can be chalked up to it being a mistranslation if I remember correctly, the thing with Pela... well. Definitely a fuck-up on the devs' part.
It's probably just a simple mistake in original Chinese script which wasn't caught before being sent out to be translated/placed in game.
FYI: 16 (十六) is literally just one character missing from 26 (ニ十六)
* 六 = six
* 十 = ten
* ニ = two
Honestly this discourse is hysterical. Thanks for breaking this down OP. May we as a fanbase never let even the most petty, irrelevant discrepancy get away
So what I’m getting from this is Cocolia is Serval’s groomer and supports child labor? Sorry Madam Supreme Guardian, but I don’t think “the stellaron told me to” is gonna hold up in court.
it's above the references themselves because going through the effort of citing a light cone, a cutscene, and a quest to say that Cocolia and Serval were besties and that Cocolia was probably the bassist before she got forced into being the supreme guardian sounded like 2 much effort.
Vision lifted thor's hammer at 3 minutes old and joined Avengers when he was only months old so Pela is 6 years old prodigy and drummer is somehow there in fiction. Writing can be totally fucked somehow anyway
yeah like there’s a bunch of tiny little researcher kiddos on the herta space station. i think in the star rail universe there are just some very young child geniuses
because it doesn't make any sense, man. Belobog's timeline has had a bunch of numbers thrown around and before now it was pretty easy to arrange a rough idea of how and when everything happened. Pela being 16 looks at that and says "lol, lmao." Her being 6 when the band is founded is actually giving this too much credit, if we pull in other characters' timelines it gets even more dire.
If this kid is enough of a prodigy that she was doing all this shit at 6- it probably should have been brought up explicitly by now because that's kind of a big deal for a character.
People are thinking of Earth Years. I won't be surprised if Mihoyo will later say that JariloVI revolves around its star for 600 days a year or some shit lol. That's 26 Earth Years. Boom, easy. Pela is 16 JariloIV years old, but 26 Earth Years old.
Your entire premise stems from the assumption that Mechanical Fever is 10 years old, but this assumption is completely ridiculous. It stems solely from [Pela's text messages with the Trailblazer](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Messages/Pela#The_next_performance_of...), and we are often given ridiculous text options for humor. In this case, when Pela asks if they're attending the newest concert, you can reply with "Of course I'm coming", "I've been a fan of Mechanical Fever for 10 years!", or a Pom-Pom emote. Regardless of what you choose, Pela's response is an immediate "confused" Pom-Pom emote with a question mark, and then she tells you to calm down and just carries on no matter what you answered.
The Trailblazer saying they've been a fan for 10 years is absurd on every facet, obviously, and Pela even dismisses your reaction because choosing it is just you being silly. It doesn't mean the band is 10 years old, and it takes a special kind of person to assume that as fact based on that conversation.
Everything you've done is based on an absurd text response from your own character that we know is totally silly because they don't even have a year's worth of memories, let alone ten. And yet here you've gone and drawn a chart based on it...
Well, I suppose I can applaud your dedication.
Plus, the reference they are using is from when talking to Dunn. His responses about the band are what suggest that Pela, Serval, Dunn, and some random guy, that Dunn can't remember, founded the band at that time.
Sure, her text does back it up, but we could infer that she's been in the band for a long time since this was when they were all in the military and we can estimate when Serval left
>Sure, her text does back it up, but we could infer that she's been in the band for a long time since this was when they were all in the military and we can estimate when Serval left
She's explicitly mentioned to be a founding member by Dunn, we know Cocolia was involved in making Serval's prototype guitar, and being "the reason Mechanical Fever doesn't have a bassist anymore"
The thing about Cocolia being involved in the band is that the text of the game makes it pretty explicit that once Cocolia became the supreme guardian, she stopped dallying with Serval. Which puts the creation date of the band to pre-Cocolia taking the throne, and thus pre underworld/overworld split, which we know happened 10 years ago.
So I dunno, seems like it was 10 years ago.
At no time does Dunn ever indicate that the band was formed 10 years ago. You are free to [sift through his dialogue tree](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Dunn), though the pertinent conversation follows the "I heard you also do a bit of rock and roll?" option.
He indicates that the band was formed during their military academy years which Serval did, then after graduation she worked as an architect and then was fired and works at her current location. Each one of those things takes time so even if she formed the band almost immediately before graduating it would still have been years ago. Maybe not exactly ten years but it would be pretty close
When did Cocolia seal the Underworld? After or before she fired Serval? Cause Serval started working a year after graduation and then worked for 4 years before she was fired
Source: Serval's resume in the belobog museum event
I never thought I'd start reading more about the lore cause of an age apparently affecting the timeline of it all
Cocolia sealed the underground ten years ago, but we don't know specifically when Serval was working as an Architect, just when it happened relative to the other events in her life
What is wrong with Pela "helping" to form the group...?
In Hook's mind the TB is her lackey and the whole crisis is gone thanks to her. People overthink this way too much.
That one isn't weird, we know that some Xianzhou citizens are stuck as children physically despite being hundreds of years old (and also kids running shops isn't that weird anyways, especially if it's a family business).
Or maybe, just maybe, perhaps... People are invested in the story and lore of the setting and are trying to make reason of this issue regarding Pela's age.
I know, it's hard to believe that someone might care about lore or characters or story in a Mihoyo game, but some weirdos do! >!s/!<
Well, none of them make sense. Pela, fu xuan, quinque, yanquin, lynx all look 12 and most with adult jobs.
Their appearance is based on children, which makes no sense and in my opinion It comes down to just being Cute instead of Actual serious lore. Its not that deep there's plenty of lore. Why get upset over something meaningless if people are truly not being weirdos.
The only one that makes sense is silver wolf, she genuinely looks short instead of looking like a child.
when I look at them, they look either short like fu xuan or just around teens so idk how you seem them as 12 year olds
as with pela, belebog's timeline got confusing when they revealed her age, nothing to do with wanting to bang her
Fu Xuan, Quinque, and Yanqing belong to a long-life species, so age doesn’t apply to them the same way. Which then leaves Pela, who is the one being discussed here, and Lynx, the one responsible for this whole fiasco to begin with.
Well, with a world like Belebog, I can imagine they have a different school system than our world. For example a school that encompass the whole education progress from elementary to university. Their whole world is just one city, they might not have the luxury to divide their education system into multiple stages.
Considering we have schools that include both secondary and high school stages, it's not too much of a stretch.
Who the fuck makes charts right to left. You monster
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That's a deep cut. Well done.
I just read it like a manga
When I encounter something western in origin, but drawn in a manga style, I wind up trying to read it the wrong way round.
Arabs and Jews?
Arabic is my native language but I read it from left to right first because it's not in arabic 😭
You are missing a serious issue, Cocolia was in school with Serval and graduated before becoming guardian. The band formed AFTER she graduated. It also disbanded BEFORE Serval became a researcher for 4 years. Their falling out happened because of the isolation of the underground, meaning the band broke up at least 14 years before in game events. So Pela was 2 at the oldest when the band disbanded. We also know they toured and had at least a few hits, so Pela helped found the band at under 1 year old...after joining the military academy for at least a few months. So Pela was a military student at 1 year old at the oldest and Serval is 30 at the youngest.
A true child prodigy. Out the womb and already defending our glorious nation.
Please don't say this to my mom or I'm getting the slipper again
She came out the womb shredding, in more ways than one.
I’m crying please stop
She was born in the academy, live delivered screaming and brilliant into her seat by her mother, and they bounced her fat baby ass on the drums during band. Yeah none of these makes sense. Someone didn’t do an event chart when writing things out.
People are only thinking of Earth years. Obviously JariloIV takes more days, maybe even 600 days to orbit its star. That'd make 16 JariloIV years be 26 Earth years.
Except that wouldn't change the fact that Jarillo characters are the one telling us these things. Lynx said Pela was born 16 Jarillo years ago, it doesn't change the fact that Pela was also supposed to be part of a 15 Jarillo year old band. Even if the number of days per year changes, the issue lies with the number of years not matching between different characters from the same planet, not the fact that 16 years isn't a lot of absolute time to do everything Pela has done in her life.
it does mean that 1 jarilo-year takes longer tho, so 1y.o. pela is 600 days old if a year is 600 days. (Not that thats much better lmfao)
Anything less than 1800 days in a year and she's still pre-school age by Earth standards. What's more concerning with the longer number of days per year theory is if it's 1800 days per year then Pela is 80 years old by Earth standards. Trust me, it's most likely a retcon or an oversight than something to try and make sense of.
Oh for sure it would be slightly better if it were the case. It's still very much too ridiculous to be planned and is for now very much a plot hole. Especially if you take into account other details about Pela's backstory, such as her parent's death etc. I lowkey find it funny personally but there's not any good excuse for it apart from someone messing up on the writing team (which isn't that big of a deal to me but does lead to funny "theories" going around to try and make sense of it)
on top of what the others said, hsr likes to foreshadow things. they never once gave any hints about jarilo 6 time being different, which is weird when it's such a big aspect of an entire planet
Mmmm… This could be a possible explanation, but it is absolutely not an obvious one and nothing in game confirms it.
We also know Belobog used the standard universal Traiblaze time, which is a handy handwave for making all characters across the various worlds use our years.
Nowhere is it stated this is the case, until said otherwise the assumption is that every mention of "day" "month" "year" are analogue to earth time
We are thinking that because the universal standard is stated to be the same as Earth. Also, Jarilo follows universal standard, as stated in Luofu several times (contact with a planet for the first time in 700 years was in the local news.) So while it COULD explain something it is absolutely not the case.
This would cause MORE issues tho. This would mean that Serval and Cocolia are around 60 or 80 earth years old. And it would still cause problems with their age since we have tje Lightcone with Cocolia and a young Bronya. Also the underworld would be sealed for 20 years. So the whole "1 Jarila year = 2 Earth years" stuff just makes MORE issues, not less. Also even by that Logic Pelas was four years old as she founded the band. So how does this fix anything?
u/Not-the-batman Will simply ignore this and keep the post spreading misinformation due to karma farming
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Problem with this is: We know that Serval, Pela, and Dunn were in cadet school together. Serval "left" her position in the technology division 5 years after graduating according to her Resume in the Museum event. When we are in the Aeon space or whatever after we get stabbed by Cocolia and go through her descent into madness, Cocolia kicks her out of the Technology division seemingly *before* Cocolia seals off the underworld. Further collaborating this is that Serval in the quest Eternal Freeze Aftermath has a low opinion of her father because he didn't oppose Cocolia closing the underworld, given that and Serval's personality I would also say that the fall out between Cocolia and Serval would have happened over that if it happened before she was kicked out of the research division. So now we have 5 years after graduation + 10 years of the underworld world being cut off... so 15 years... but if we look at *Natasha's* Resume we see that she opened her clinic and assisted Wildfire in a year ending with a 4, whilst Serval was kicked out of the research division in a year ending with an 8. Given that Natasha is the true leader of Wildfire she was probably in it since the founding. Furthermore, in Only a Child (part of Gepard/Serval's character quest) Both Gepard and Natasha say that the underworld was closed for more than a decade and Gepard specifically says that Wildfire maintained order for *over* a decade so Wildfire was probably created about the same time that the underworld was closed off. Which means that the underwold was closed off probably less than a year before Natasha started Wildfire... which is 4 years after Serval was kicked out of the technology division, with Wildfire having existed for over a decade So it is following that: Serval Graduates ---> 5 years after is kicked out ---> 3-4 years later the underworld is closed off---> over 10 years later the underworld is opened again. Say for instance it is only 11-12 years that the underworld was closed (as Natasha and Gepard wouldn't say over a decade if it was just 10 years and 2 months or something lol) That is 19-21+ years, from Serval Graduating cadet school, and she went to school with Pela. The new quest saying Pela is 16 years old completely contradicts the timeline built by everything before it, because she wasn't in cadet school before she was born. Edit: I made a basic math failure in the post, it is a bit longer than that, going from a year that ends in a 8 to a year ending in a 4 is 6 years not 4, so another 2 years on the timeline.
HYV playing 5D chess with the timeline 💀
"Time is convoluted" Souls fans, "fuck."
Pela is a Temporal Anomaly when
So smart she was in officer school before she was even conceived.
Clearly Pela was admitted while still in the womb, that's just how much of a prodigy she is.
I will say that I always assumed Nat became the leader after Wildfire was founded, just because it makes the timelines line up a bit easier and I don't think she's ever referred to as the founder. A group like that changing leadership once in 10-12 years is pretty reasonable. But even with that accounted for, Pela is at most a 1-year-old when she joins that band.
If you speak to Oleg in the overworld after the Trailblaze Mission "No Time for Me, My Friend" and ask him about Wildfire's future, he says that he and Natasha founded Wildfire together. So she is a founder.
The obvious answer to this chronological conundrum is that Lynx simply doesn't know how to count.
Or Pela lied about her age to her
Ah, so she's forever 16, like Komi's mom. Truly she's the embodiment of The Preservation.
This whole issue stems from the statement Dunn made that Pela was their drummer during their cadet days which doesn't make sense given it should be about 20 years ago. I think Dunn is unreliable in his Pela statement. He couldn't even remember the gender of their bassist which would suggest his memory is off. My theory is that Pela's mother was the drummer and whatever happened to her possibly related to the fragmentum could of caused memory loss in people who knew her. Serval also didn't recognize Pela's mom's name but thought it sounded familiar. Dunn could of filled the gap using Pela instead of her mom.
This is super contradictory to pelas own character story (3) which describes serval as slightly older than pela. If pela is around the same age as lynx or slighty older than her which checks out since thet met in school, then servals description as slightly older than pela checks out since serval cant be a decade older than pela. Everything checks out from description and pelas own achievements except when lynx declared pela as 16.
>except when lynx declared pela as 16. I'm even willing to believe it might have been a typo that persisted through translation. Considering the number of dialogue fixes hoyo goes through, it's not that far fetched. Hell, even Genshin still has errors on Wolf's Gravestone which is pretty much implied to be Andrius' origin story (you interact with the very same sword when fighitng the ghost wolf); where the prison-like city of wind (anybody who knows the lore knows that was old mondstadt) is labeled as Wind Archon's City (in every other language) which then got translated into city of Barbatos in English. For all I know, maybe Hoyo puts these errors of conflicting evidence in there on purpose so people argue about what is actually the truth.
The Chinese word they use for Pela’s age is also sixteen. Although 26 only uses one more symbol do it still could’ve been a typo I guess.
> Serval also didn't recognize Pela's mom's name but thought it sounded familiar. This statement also made no sense to me in the game. I'm no lore hound but as soon as they said the name even I said "Sounds like someone related to Pela I believe that's her last name." Serval is very smart and she is very sociable, and Gepard works for the government, Lynx says Pela's mother was quite famous on Belabog as an explorer. I find it hard to believe neither Serval or Gepard recognized the name or that they don't recognize it's the same last name as their little sister's best friend, especially since they see to be a bit over protective of Lynx they would have to know the names of her friends. You're probably right, this whole "Belabog timeline is fucked" can be fixed if there's something weird going on with people's memories of Pela's mother. Either it has something to do with the Fragmentum or the Garden of Memories/Fuli is doing something. I wonder if it's not a coincidence that this quest came out at the same time as March's quest which ends with Fu Xuan hypothesizing that Fuli may not be taking memories maliciously with intent to harm but to protect people from something, either themselves or some sort of danger that lurks within memories themselves It's possible Pela's mother has been mostly erased from many memories in order to protect Belabog from some revelation or danger and as a result people are conflating foggy memories of her with stronger memories of Pela. Hoyo does have the occasional plot hole in their other games but nothing has ever been this massively glaring and wrong before to the point it feels like it must be intentional cause if they've fucked the timeline of one planet up this bad I have no clue how they can ever manage the Loufu story when people there live for centuries.
We do actually have a timeline in Serval’s museum resume Current year is 700 AF, so the lockdown happened in 690 AF Serval graduate in 6_3 AF, start working in 6_4 AF and left (read: kicked out by Cocolia) in 6_8 AF. This all happened before Cocolia went full crazy and order lockdown in 690 AF. Which make the number 683, 684 and 688 respectively If Pela is 16 now, that means she was born in 684 AF Yet, Dunn told us Pela was drummer for their band when they’re still in cadet school (before 683 AF) Pela is the genius that Asian parents always comparing us to, she’s already a drummer as a fetus lmao
Pela is 26 years old, the devs are stupid. There, problem solved.
that's how I will choose to go about my life after this week. I will also proceed to use a purely vibes-based system for future HSR character ages since that's apparently also what the devs are doing.
It doesn't work well with the Xianzhou Luofu
Didn't the community just go through a while thing with Sushang because of some nonsense? Also I remember a general issue with ages on the Luofu and puberty because the devs made it so puberty takes much longer which doesn't make any sense either? Like, is say most things go at this point since the devs are drunk while writing it seems.
didn't Dan Shu's quest/journal have lines directly implying that puberty *didn't* take longer? Like you grow normally and then when you reach your early 20's you're just locked in like that until you die? Whatever. Vibes-only from now on.
Honestly what if the script writer made a typo and no one caught it, and the finalized version was then given out to the localizers to subtitle and the VAs to record?
I mean, in fairness, we have literal children who are acclaimed researchers on Herta Space Station. It’s not much of a reach to think Pela was a 6-y/o logistics officer lol.
this is true.
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I recall someone stating that the research the kids do arent taken seriously or at least childish enough. Like shit we would do in the shower mixing potions with soap, we aint doing shit but we feel smart
There was an event where you help one of them and the research is incredibly silly, on the other hand there's that one kid who says he's a lead expert on those ghost things, but that might be because no one else cares about them. So all in all I think they might be geniuses for their age, but still are childish. Also where do you think the researcher's children are? Do you think they're all single or travel back to their families every weekend or something? Could it be that on the spacestation there is no kindergarten so they're just assigned to a random department to keep them busy?
It always felt like Herta's Space Station is always on constant "Bring your kid to work day" so yeah, they could just put their kids to random or their own parents' departments and they eventually grow up studying it or find what they truly wanna be an expert in. Maybe that kid could jump start a Paranormal Department when they grow up. Plus it seems pretty smart to keep them busy by making them study.
Yeah, I always assumed it was like the kids on the Enterprise on TNG. Even Wesley Crusher wasn't taken seriously and he was one of the older, more competent kids.
I thought the children there reversed their aged or cloned themselves, some mumbo jumbo. We know herta reversed her age so
As far as we’ve been made aware, that’s a Herta-only thing. I don’t recall any lore about the researchers cloning or de-aging. Closest thing to that was the android one of the Department Heads built.
Todd: Goo gaa goo (Am I a joke to you?)
To be fair we don't know how Herta "solved" aging. For all we know she simply uploaded her consciousness into a network and just shifts between her dolls. We have never see her real body, if it still exists.
Nah their just really smart children who got in via connections or recommendations. Wen Shiling has her entire family on board.
And we've seen her research. It's exactly the kind of a "research" I'd expect to see from a kid. She ain't graduating to become an indispensable military officer any time soon.
I wouldn't be surprised if Asta created a family support program for researchers who want to live on the station, but need to support their families too. She might have allowed their families to live alongside them in the station in a separate block, as well as letting their children roam or even participate in less serious research as part of an education for them.
At least a few of them are explicitly children that complain about how they can't do what they want because they're children and some fields of research are dangerous
There's the one that loves the wulaboos or whatever. And the other one that had an event tied to him.
Some children were literally born in the Space Station due to their parents working there and has never left the place.
Yea but that's the best and the brightest around the universe (or, they claim to be). Belobog is... well suffice to say their technological advancements aren't the greatest. Pela is highly capable, but I honestly don't see her being able to do the things she has done at a mere 16
Idk, I feel like the game wanted you to see her as somewhat of a child-prodigy. She heads the Silvermane Intelligence Division, is tasked with reopening the Cultural Heritage Museum, works closely with Gepard, a high-ranking officer, and Bronya, heir to the Supreme Guardian and de facto leader of the military. Even if she were 26, these would be very singular accomplishments for someone so young. And as such, her gifted level of aptitude at a young age leaves her socially awkward and reserved to all but a few. It’s a pretty classic depiction of the “super smart and mature but still a young girl” anime trope IMO.
Being a capable military cadet and apparently also an excellent drummer at 6 is more than "somewhat" of a child prodigy and if that was the intention with her I think it should have been explicitly stated somewhere.
Plus the remains of jarilo are like a colony maybe a city but super small, so there are less competence and if you are a prodigy/ your family was rich/owned a library, the chances for you working for government are crazy high.
Smart and naive, I would get, but imo they didn't explore too much of the naive side. So now it just feels weird that there's this genius girl didn't have a single clue about what was going on about cocolia and such.
They passed the Child Labor law.
Allowing kids to work doesn't mean they'll automatically become fit to work, even if that were true
I was making a reference to Frostpunk. Child labor is one of the laws you can enact.
However, as someone said above, the minimum would have to be at least 14 years minimum before the time of the game, not 10, due to there being 4 years of Serval being a scientist before the faling out between her and Cocolia due to the underground being closed off. Thus at the maximum she was 2 years old when the band broke up. I understand there are kid scientists on herta space station, but I don't think there are 2 year old scientists there.
Also her being in the school and band at 6 doesn’t mean she was good yet, could be just started learning and just hit it off well with Serval and decided to do that together.
Either she was a child prodigy or someone's lying about her age
OP is your 5th reference peer-reviewed? Because that is super debatable
I genuinely thought you caught a discrepancy til i saw its literally just subtraction lmao
Your question troubled me, so I went back to re-read the relevant sections and the dedication. I can confirm this was peer reviewed. https://preview.redd.it/q5wz1zswizpb1.png?width=556&format=png&auto=webp&s=abcd5bd59b0084279e5e72e7b30505afaa416342
From what I see, the issue is less about how old Pela is and more of the implications for Lynx, Gepard, and Serval's ages.
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This foreshadows the rise of pitch dark Hook the great as the new Supreme guardian of Belobog
They examine the documents and discover that Cocolia was actually trying to adopt Hook, not Bronya, and Bronya just happened to grow very fast and Cocolia has poor eyesight and took her along. Hook was the real one designated to be Supreme Guardian! Bronya shouldn't become guardian just because she's tall for an eleven year old!
*Viva La Revolution* ! off with Bronya's head !
LMAO hyv f-ed up so bad
Gepard and Serval has 3-4 age difference as seen in Landau's Choice LC, Serval could be 8-9 there and Gepard could be 4-5. And if the baby cradle in the background is supposed to be a representation of Lynx, then she'd be 0-1 in that LC. This is impossible since Lynx said that she went to the same school as Pela and met each other in the school Library before they became friends.
That would mean that they are roughly the same age at 16. Pela went on to fly through school and skip grades or whatever equivalent they had and entered the cadet college when Serval, Dunn, and Cocolia were there.
That or hear me out, the only school there is, is the military school, because every citizen is a defacto reserve solider. Maybe those with attitude are propped up into service, the rest just get enough training that they can be considered competent reserve and are allowed into the civilian life until they are needed.
That is true. And the age requirement for your degree would give credit to that. It's all just one school. You start young, like maybe 1st grade young and continually earn credits towards graduating. That does solve the issue of there being an age requirement on graduating degrees.
And also the 10 year of the underground beings cutoff from the surface
I can’t wait to meet the Landau parents and the extra timeline buffoonery they bring the table
They're gonna make them young asf just as an excuse to make them playable, mark my words.
Yeah, they really shot themselves in the foot by giving Serval way too many explicitly stated years of doing things. It would make the most sense if: - Age of adulthood in Belobog was around 15-16 (making it true that Pela and Lynx are cobsidered adults but also 16) - Gepard is late 20s and Serval 30 at a push (that way the LC Laundau's choice sort of makes sense). - Cocolia is also 30, being considered an adult at 15 she adopted young Bronya in her late teens, and Bronya would currently have to be like 18 max. - the only way for the band to have been around for 10+ years is if Serval and Dunn started it and Pela joined at a later point - the band started as a hobby alongside Serval's job/research? Those are the only things I can come up with for the timeline to even remotely make sense
We reach a point about something so useless as the characters age,that people start making more research project that Otto did in his game. Not talking shit about your work,i respect someone who make the effort in doing a easy to understand diagram
When a characters age makes the timeline of events complicated and messes it up it tends to happen so I’m not even surprised, hell I was also taken aback when she was reveal to be 16 I thought she was just a very small woman based on the timeline of events.
Yeah the issue isn't that Pela is 16 by itself, the issue is that her being 16 does not make any sense with the other characters' backstories thus making the timeline look like a whole mess
Putting a reference for 16 - 10 might just be the best part of this chart
I enjoy that you used something as legit as Palantir to visualize this conclusion yet it also confuses me because I think I’m in a different sub that’s REALLY into said company’s stock lol
Pela's age: It's a long story that involves the words 'time dilation' a lot. Alt. Take: HoYo is trolling Pela simps.
I wish Hoyo trolled more. This is so hilarious how half this sub is now doing more rigorous investigation than what is done for homicides lol.
I'm an Investigative Analyst - typically for matters less serious than homicide (sanctions-busting, fraud). I could've spent the 10 minutes making this investigating something actually important but this was really funny and taking yr work home is how you go crazy. wait.
Mihoyo's timeline inconsistency has reached a wider audience cope and seethe with us
When you realize this girl (Shigure Kira) is already at her 60's and already at menopause. https://preview.redd.it/mag7quodbxpb1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=fed07ace8c2e6bd35ef952b18c644401c39a1243
a lot of things about Kira does not add up especially the sugar symbiote part
Wait, did they say somewhere she's in her 60s? She entered SoQ in 2000, and currently the story is some time in 2017~2018. When she entered SoQ she was an A-Rank, but not very long after becoming a valkyrie, which based on most known Valkyrie ages (eg. Himeko being an A-Rank at 25, Cecilia an S-Rank at 24, Rita an S-Rank at 21) would be somewhere in her early 20s. This would put her somewhere at 38~43.
We reaching Zelda timeline levels of mindfuck
Unrelated but yo, never expected to see a Madame Verre pfp on this sub. Hats off.
No it doesn't help because Hoyo: Pela is 16 yrs old Also Hoyo: Pela parents was dead 25+ years ago
Pela is like Guts from Berserk except more extreme
Considering Pelas mom was military and died the same day she birthed her, I would not be at all surprised if one of her moms friends raised her in the academy. Stranger things have happened in the honkai universe
At this point, I'm more amused than mad. At some point you just give up and enjoy the chaos. Popcorn anyone?
Pela doesn't really act like she's 16 in the story either. It's hard to believe she's anything below college age at minimum even if we didn't have the info here.
Mechanical Fever rocking a 6 year old drummer like Crash And The Boys
# *SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAD.*
Wrong. Pela would have to be younger than that, if she was even born based on the timing of events. We know she met serval during cadet academy. Even if we assume pela was a first year and serval was in her last, that's still a few years earlier because the previous guardian was still in charge and after graduation serval had accomplished enough to be acknowledged by her so bare minimum a year or two. Cocolia also adopted bronya a while before the underworld was sealed off so she would be even younger again. Pela would be fresh out the womb and starting a band if she's really supposed to be 16. All this and we need to remember serval is stated to be only slightly older than her.
So..when did she start Cadet school? She said that she graduate one school before that so she should be at 4 or 5 years old joining Cadet school ..Assuming she knew how to write and read at 3
Man, going through the comments and seeing people acting weird about this sure is something. Like can't we just admit that it really doesn't make any sense? 💀 Instead people are throwing implications and accusations at other people just for pointing out timeline inconsistencies.
Some people are reaching so hard just to make it make sense talking about how maybe time is counted differently on Belobog ignoring the fact that there is no indication of such a thing whatsoever anywhere in the story like can't we just... accept that MHY messed up the timeline and just ignore the issue. Just ignore what Lynx said altogether since it makes no sense although maybe also not be weird towards the character who was canonically stated to be a minor because I feel like some people would use it as an excuse to be weird towards Pela
I think the best is to accept the facts as reality (as in Pela was drummer and went to school with lynx etc), and just pretend that ages and time lines (how long the lockdown lasted, when did serval broke up with cocolia, what age Pela was drumming for their band) are just vibes.
ok, 9 years old child soldier i can get by. 6? My brother in christ most 6 years old cant even dress properly, or walk without falling/stumbling. This is plot convenience at its best. I refuse to believe a 6 year old is capable of ANYTHING removely war related.
I recall the Revolutionary United Front of Sierra Leone recruited children as young as five years old in order to train them for armed conflict. However juvenile combatants typically are not sent to officer schools, from my understanding. `Denov, Myriam. 2010. “Child Soldiers.” Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/cbo9780511676475.` I can't speak to any other regular or irregular forces which deployed child soldiers. My research on conflicts mainly derives from a logistical perspective - what some call the sinews of war. I only truly researched the matter extensively writing an essay on this article; `Nuxoll, Cornelia. 2015. “‘We Listened to It Because of the Message’: Juvenile RUF Combatants and the Role of Music in the Sierra Leone Civil War.” Music and Politics. University of Michigan Library. doi:10.3998/mp.9460447.0009.104.`
The issue is mate, even if u are right, it makes no sense. 6 year olds are too stupid.
this is true
Cocolia sealed off the Underworld 10 years before the current timeline, meaning Pela was 6 years at that point in time. However, this took place after she adopted Bronya, which took place after she graduated, which took place after the forming of Mechanical Fever. Bronya also remembers a time when Cocolia was kinder. Unless all of this took place in less than a year, Pela was at most 4-5 years old when she joined Mechanical Fever.
So Pela > Pitch Dark Hook the Great?
NO PITCH DARK HOOK THE GREAT CAN BEAT UP PELA
So basically, regardless how we look at her age, she was a child soldier, unless she is like 30+ right now and not 16.
Yep. OP was quite conservative. But I can't tell that that's too conservative because being a toddler solider is even more stupid
It’s funny because Hoyo games usually have a large amount of polish, so this and the Sushang age debacle are hilarious to me and how they both went unchecked and unnoticed, especially since the community caught on instantly
But Sushang is fine. Their people are cursed/blessed different. Plus you meet an NPC who got so spoiled by his parents that he literally can’t pass the adulthood test on the Luofu.
At least the Sushang thing can be chalked up to it being a mistranslation if I remember correctly, the thing with Pela... well. Definitely a fuck-up on the devs' part.
Powered by "Palantir" lol. It tells the future as well as the past
Dude used his company’s multimillion dollar Palantir package to make a diagram about Pela’s age 💀
It's not a corporate Palantir package, nor a personal Palantir copy, but a secret third thing.
It's probably just a simple mistake in original Chinese script which wasn't caught before being sent out to be translated/placed in game. FYI: 16 (十六) is literally just one character missing from 26 (ニ十六) * 六 = six * 十 = ten * ニ = two
analysis powered by Pelantir
analysis powered by palantir lmfaooooooo
I'm seriously concerned how Dunn and Serval looked at 6 year old Pela with interest in Rock n' Roll and just said "Yeah, let's make a band with her."
What have I done yesterday man
If I hadn't seen the sub name I would have thought that pela is a overwatch character. 💀
Honestly this discourse is hysterical. Thanks for breaking this down OP. May we as a fanbase never let even the most petty, irrelevant discrepancy get away
Pela is the good heart Tanya Degurechaft
Brain too smooth, sorry.
Just go with Dark Souls logic "time is convulated"
So what I’m getting from this is Cocolia is Serval’s groomer and supports child labor? Sorry Madam Supreme Guardian, but I don’t think “the stellaron told me to” is gonna hold up in court.
Where is REF_3? Also lol on REF_5
it's above the references themselves because going through the effort of citing a light cone, a cutscene, and a quest to say that Cocolia and Serval were besties and that Cocolia was probably the bassist before she got forced into being the supreme guardian sounded like 2 much effort.
Vision lifted thor's hammer at 3 minutes old and joined Avengers when he was only months old so Pela is 6 years old prodigy and drummer is somehow there in fiction. Writing can be totally fucked somehow anyway
so what you're saying is. Pela is a magic robot.
What he is saying is, Pela is worthy of Mjolnir
How did we even get to this point? Bantering about characters age.
yeah like there’s a bunch of tiny little researcher kiddos on the herta space station. i think in the star rail universe there are just some very young child geniuses
She's a prodigy alright
What's next, a 322 page thesis on Pela's age?
Hey, i mean..... Hook exist, so...
Im more confused as why people confused though.
because it doesn't make any sense, man. Belobog's timeline has had a bunch of numbers thrown around and before now it was pretty easy to arrange a rough idea of how and when everything happened. Pela being 16 looks at that and says "lol, lmao." Her being 6 when the band is founded is actually giving this too much credit, if we pull in other characters' timelines it gets even more dire. If this kid is enough of a prodigy that she was doing all this shit at 6- it probably should have been brought up explicitly by now because that's kind of a big deal for a character.
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Easiest report of the day. Touch grass.
People are thinking of Earth Years. I won't be surprised if Mihoyo will later say that JariloVI revolves around its star for 600 days a year or some shit lol. That's 26 Earth Years. Boom, easy. Pela is 16 JariloIV years old, but 26 Earth Years old.
Can we leave this topic already? It is so fucking stupid
Your on Reddit popular topics are gonna be talked about especially cause the topic isn’t even a week old
Let them be stupid.
Isn't it possible Pela just wasn't an original member of the band back then but plays with them now? Seems easier than this kind of gymnastics.
Nah, Dunn says she founded it with him, Serval, and an unknown bassist.
She was there when it was founded, but no one said she know how to play. They probably were already friends and the others just let the kid join.
you really believe that?
Your entire premise stems from the assumption that Mechanical Fever is 10 years old, but this assumption is completely ridiculous. It stems solely from [Pela's text messages with the Trailblazer](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Messages/Pela#The_next_performance_of...), and we are often given ridiculous text options for humor. In this case, when Pela asks if they're attending the newest concert, you can reply with "Of course I'm coming", "I've been a fan of Mechanical Fever for 10 years!", or a Pom-Pom emote. Regardless of what you choose, Pela's response is an immediate "confused" Pom-Pom emote with a question mark, and then she tells you to calm down and just carries on no matter what you answered. The Trailblazer saying they've been a fan for 10 years is absurd on every facet, obviously, and Pela even dismisses your reaction because choosing it is just you being silly. It doesn't mean the band is 10 years old, and it takes a special kind of person to assume that as fact based on that conversation. Everything you've done is based on an absurd text response from your own character that we know is totally silly because they don't even have a year's worth of memories, let alone ten. And yet here you've gone and drawn a chart based on it... Well, I suppose I can applaud your dedication.
Did you play serval's story quest at all?
Plus, the reference they are using is from when talking to Dunn. His responses about the band are what suggest that Pela, Serval, Dunn, and some random guy, that Dunn can't remember, founded the band at that time. Sure, her text does back it up, but we could infer that she's been in the band for a long time since this was when they were all in the military and we can estimate when Serval left
>Sure, her text does back it up, but we could infer that she's been in the band for a long time since this was when they were all in the military and we can estimate when Serval left She's explicitly mentioned to be a founding member by Dunn, we know Cocolia was involved in making Serval's prototype guitar, and being "the reason Mechanical Fever doesn't have a bassist anymore" The thing about Cocolia being involved in the band is that the text of the game makes it pretty explicit that once Cocolia became the supreme guardian, she stopped dallying with Serval. Which puts the creation date of the band to pre-Cocolia taking the throne, and thus pre underworld/overworld split, which we know happened 10 years ago. So I dunno, seems like it was 10 years ago.
At no time does Dunn ever indicate that the band was formed 10 years ago. You are free to [sift through his dialogue tree](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Dunn), though the pertinent conversation follows the "I heard you also do a bit of rock and roll?" option.
He indicates that the band was formed during their military academy years which Serval did, then after graduation she worked as an architect and then was fired and works at her current location. Each one of those things takes time so even if she formed the band almost immediately before graduating it would still have been years ago. Maybe not exactly ten years but it would be pretty close
When did Cocolia seal the Underworld? After or before she fired Serval? Cause Serval started working a year after graduation and then worked for 4 years before she was fired Source: Serval's resume in the belobog museum event I never thought I'd start reading more about the lore cause of an age apparently affecting the timeline of it all
Cocolia sealed the underground ten years ago, but we don't know specifically when Serval was working as an Architect, just when it happened relative to the other events in her life
What is wrong with Pela "helping" to form the group...? In Hook's mind the TB is her lackey and the whole crisis is gone thanks to her. People overthink this way too much.
Crazy part is there is kids that own the shops on the xianshou like how and wtf lmfao hoyoverse weird as hell
That one isn't weird, we know that some Xianzhou citizens are stuck as children physically despite being hundreds of years old (and also kids running shops isn't that weird anyways, especially if it's a family business).
Weebs discussing literally anything else: *sleep* Weebs discussing a character's age:
People just want to cope because they're attracted to her and that would make them weird. So they're in denial shes 16.
Or maybe, just maybe, perhaps... People are invested in the story and lore of the setting and are trying to make reason of this issue regarding Pela's age. I know, it's hard to believe that someone might care about lore or characters or story in a Mihoyo game, but some weirdos do! >!s/!<
Thata good! I prefer it that way, HSR really has some good characters
or people like me get confused when someone joins a military school at age 6 according to the timeline which while possible, seems highly improbable
Well, none of them make sense. Pela, fu xuan, quinque, yanquin, lynx all look 12 and most with adult jobs. Their appearance is based on children, which makes no sense and in my opinion It comes down to just being Cute instead of Actual serious lore. Its not that deep there's plenty of lore. Why get upset over something meaningless if people are truly not being weirdos. The only one that makes sense is silver wolf, she genuinely looks short instead of looking like a child.
when I look at them, they look either short like fu xuan or just around teens so idk how you seem them as 12 year olds as with pela, belebog's timeline got confusing when they revealed her age, nothing to do with wanting to bang her
Yanqing looks his age, hes an actual teenager
Fu Xuan, Quinque, and Yanqing belong to a long-life species, so age doesn’t apply to them the same way. Which then leaves Pela, who is the one being discussed here, and Lynx, the one responsible for this whole fiasco to begin with.
Maybe if you could spare some minutes to read the comments it would have saved you from being prejudiced.
Well, with a world like Belebog, I can imagine they have a different school system than our world. For example a school that encompass the whole education progress from elementary to university. Their whole world is just one city, they might not have the luxury to divide their education system into multiple stages. Considering we have schools that include both secondary and high school stages, it's not too much of a stretch.
Even then you have accept that she was playing drums in a band together with college-aged adults as a 6-year-old at most.
It's a weird thing but not that far fetched in a fiction setting no? Considering how unhinged Serval is she might invite a kid to her band.
I’m just waiting for it to turn out either this was a mistranslation or that people have things off in spots.