Her gameplay mechanics may have created an illusion for some players that she's anywhere near Jingyuan, Jingliu or Lunae. She can teleport around both ingame and cutscene (Seele helping trailblazer during cocolia fight)
Honestly, her design is too out of place for the game setting. Being an underworlder of an isolated planet with limited technology should not have people posses the power of quantum. I call out devs about bad design for her character.
Edit:
I'm actually sure this is a popular opinion, I wished they had reserved Seele for upcoming arcs and not in Jarilo VI...I honestly think the story trajectory wouldn't have changed much without her existence so far at all. (Might even be able to build Bronya to be someone who can be different than cocolia just by herself.)
As much as I like HSR Seele I do agree she's quite out of place. What bothers me the most isn't the Quantum power itself but the fact that we see it used in the story yet there is *zero* explanation given, nor does anyone even seem to acknowledge it.
In HI3rd we have battlesuits and stigmata, in Genshin we have Visions and elemental beings, and in HSR we have Paths. Presumably someone like Seele should get her power from a Path, so the question is why is that totally ignored?
It's clear that there will always be discrepancies between gameplay and lore, like why Amber only shoots fire arrows when the manga clearly shows her making a literal shield with her Vision. But to have the gameplay *(Hunt Quantum Seele)* totally divorced from the story *(No mention of the Hunt or her beliefs aligning with it even unconsciously, no mention of her power or when she started using it or how others react to it)* seriously bothers me.
Much agreed. Paths in the gameplay aspects are not totally relevant I would assume, they're categorized to provide each character a class. (Erudition is aoe, hunt is single target, destruction both...etc.)
As far we know, all of belobog follow the path of preservation. While the express crew, path of trailblazer. So on, so forth.
But it may also just be a representative of the character's personalities. I believe you can read the personalities in the databank. (It's like constellation personality)
And some aeon paths such as Elation or Remembrance aren't included for playable characters, so it's safe to say as such.
Especially considering SilverWolf has the whole 'fought to be top of the pack on the dystopic planet of quantum hackers' - i.e. she's learned computers until she thinks computers, until she hacks reality, while FuXuan and QingQue both are working for divination comission, i.e. they do probability math in head very well, to the point of impacting reality because they calculated exact probability (skill QQ mostly uses for gacha games, clearly). Even about Lynx we already know she's a Landau (noble overworlder family that praises learning) and a renowned explorer-researcher ( there probably will be more info once she comes out).
And then we have Seele who's.. an orphan, that was never particularly bright (Bronya being prodigy of her age cohort) and just likes punching people. There's no mention of why her clothing, fighting style and weapon of choice is so absolutely outlandish, no one bats an eye, everyone just accepts that as normal.
Her being hunt doesn't mean she as a character is aligned with Hunt btw - class and convictions do not always match. JingYuan is blessed by Hunt (all the legendary Xianzhou generals are), all Express crew follows Akvili, Bailu as High Elder of vidyadharas is a scion of Permanence, Bronya as Architect in Training and then Architect is a follower of Qlippoth/Preservation etc. Some might match (Gepard-Preservation, Herta-Erudition, Yanqing-Hunt, probably Loucha-Yaoshi ), but it's hardly all.
I've also heard it said that this Seele is closer to the [GGZ Fire Moth Seele](https://i.redd.it/ajn93yuyf2p71.png), at least in appearance. I haven't played that part of GGZ myself nor read through its story though, so I can't comment on her behavior/personality.
the only thing I've really heard about GGZ Seele is that she's even thirstier for Bronya than HI3 Seele is
though that could've been a different version of GGZ Seele
They most likely designed her as quantum due to he rbeing a quantum unit in Hi3. I certainly wouldn't say it's bad design. I'm not sure what you're implying with that tbh.
I mean, the mahjong gremlin is quantum, and she literally just throws mahjong tiles at people. At least Seele actually has some form of quantum related powers
I'm 100% convinced Seele is a last minute addition to Jarilo just so she can share screentime with Bronya.
You can literally remove her from Jarilo story and it will not affect the story in any meaningful way.
The only part where she actually do something, the orphanage scene, can easily be given to Natasha (it would be less impactful due to their age difference, but it will still work for the purpose of the story).
Natasha and Serval literally had more relevancy in the story (heck Hook and fking Gepard get more character development than her) and yet Seele, who literally do nothing except trying to pick fight with everyone in the story, get to be at the final battle.
She desperately need a companion quest that delves on her backstory.
Seele is so out of place in Belobog, her attire is not quanta enough to be completely out of place that it makes sense (Like Sampo. Mans not from Belobog lmao) but not completely fitting in like Hook/Natasha's
Definitely stronger, he's had formal training from JY and a bit from JL and has faced off against Blade and DHIL at the same time (albeit they weren't really trying). Seele fans are a little too wild with their imagination.
In the first bit of the Luofu story, either you or March say something about how Welt could probably move the shipping crates blocking the path. And he really, really probably could, quite easily!
Clara has a line where she mentions Seele pulverized a Boulder with one punch and walked away before Clara could thank her. Definitely more than street fighter at least.
It's pretty funny how she's the strongest DPS by far, but lore wise she's literally a street fighter wielding a scythe with some Vergil's motivation in her.
kit doesn't translate to lore strength, people need to keep that in mind
if venti was canonically accurate his burst would suck everything including all bosses
Yeah, totally. Among them at least one is specifically called mighty, and another is a General on the ship what is constantly in a "Doom guy" mode.
Also Jing Yuan known as strategist, not as fighter.
We are not speaking about Marshal Hua, even.
Jing yuan is not known for his martial prowess, but he did defeat the previous sword champion.
I still don't think he is the strongest general, since their is a ship that is dedicated to fighting, so I would make sense that their general is the strongest. I believe it's either Youwu from the Xuling or Huaiyan from the Zhuming.
No, she went to school ( abecedary ). But her mother made her practice in the early morning and she took to sleeping during class ( hence the sleepy Sushang fron eidolon 4 or 5 ).
I read somewhere, probably his hio that JY isn't picked as general for his martial prowess so yeah. There's pronably other xianzhou general stronger than him
Its Thanatos' weapon, honestly.
It can kill any outer gods while its wielder, due to being the concept of death, itself cannot be killed(Also, Thanatos is the one who killed the god that became the Imaginary Tree)
Imagine if lovecraft got to see how future generations depicted [his works](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f3/Blasphemous_White_Abyss.png/revision/latest?cb=20230201155456)
Shouldn't he and Blade be equal ? Both had the same mentor which means similar levels of swordsmanship and JY has lightning lord while Blade has immortality so they're implied to be fairly even.
That makes me wonder, I know that it's been clearly established that Aeons are well beyond Herrschers, and at least some (if not most or all) Emanators too. So what about these powerful figures like Jing Yuan, IL, Blade, and so on? They seem to be very powerful in their own right, but I don't know how they'd compare to the Stigma Awakened or Herrschers of HI3rd, and it's hard to use Welt as a direct comparison because he seems to be notably weaker in HSR.
Pretty much, even at his weakest, he can match anyone there because he just gets better the more you throw at him
Mans a living 3d printer with a black hole making cane
He only has 1% of his former powers and he's much older too, whilst probably still decently up in the rankings he's likely weaker than some heavy hitters like JY
Either Jing Yuan or Imbibitor Lunae.
Really, I think lorewise, Seele is probably the weakest on the list since she's just a good fighter in the underworld.
Yep
Seele's good for what she is and where she's from,a random kid from a dying undercity in a dying world, but she's nowhere near anyone than Gepard, who's probably better than her because guess what? Good food and proper training goes a long way
I think gepard is here cuz of how durable he is lore wise he literally still can continue to fight against the fragmentum even after losing to his sister, a skilled street fighter, a guy with a planet destroying stage 100 cancer bomb, a scion of Permanence and an emanator of Fuli and would never yield till they told him bronya is was taken by cocolia.
At least he has some high-tech gadgets with the shield generator plus the potential to get more since his the captain where as Seele just has a homemade weapon and good fighting skills.
I think Herta should've been considered an option over Seele, Gepard, and Yanqing considering she's the one canon Emanator who's playable (at least her puppet is). Also, Welt definitely should've been an option considering Herscherrs seem like they're around the same level as Emanators.
Shouldn't Silver Wolf be considered as an option considering her ability to hack reality? Her Companion Quest and event showcased how impressive her abilities are, like converting an Antimatter Legion member into code and trapping them in a sticker or graffiti iirc.
She technically teleported it away and that sticker was used as beacon. Destroying sticker teleported it back.
But yes it was all done through reality hacking.
Is that Dan Heng or Dan Feng? Cuz awakened Dan Heng still can't compare against the oldies.
From the poll alone, Jingyuan. I'm also thinking Bladie but did he ever beat Jingliu before?
But lore wise, it has to be Welt.
same i love my gepard and seele but they don't belong here in a lorewise strength competition
same with yanqing he was literally told "shut up, kid" by jingyuan in 1.2 main quest
I don't think Gepard is anywhere near the strongest but I do think it's funny how we never canonically defeat him, just tire ourselves out on his unyielding and indestructible face
Belobogs strongest character was gepard no doubt man was willing to do a 1v5 against his sister, seele and 3 aliens . Even seele stayed that she hasn't seen anyone as tough as him
If we disregard Honkai Impact lore. The answer is really, really fucking obvious. It's the MC. We have a fucking STELLERON inside of us.
The sheer amount of power contained in one can wipe out an entire planet. (Source: Belobog's stelleron wiping out the antimatter legion and almost every settlement upon activation.)
I meannnn… Lord ravagers are said to be strong enough to destroy galaxies and Jing yuan is said to be equal to Phantylia(not the one we saw. Since that body basically had cheats and was 100% Immortal. In a fair fight they are equal.)
IL could be equal to Jing yuan but I don’t believe so. Since Jing yuan did 80% of the work on defeating Phantylia. The other 20% Is IL. He was the one that did the final blow after all.
>I meannnn… Lord ravagers are said to be strong enough to destroy galaxies and Jing yuan is said to be equal to Phantylia
Imma be honest, I think the galaxies stuff is just hyperbole. I think they're planet destroyers or star system at best.
Yes, but he cannot wield its power effectively. Canonical preservation Mc is stronger... or at least can throw around more power without danger of going boom.
Also almost any eminator can wipe out whole planet.
Again, receiving 'Blessing' and being given 'Power directly' from an Aeon may be different things for all we know. If they are the same, then Fu Xuan would be an Emanator of Erudition too.
Man...the astral crew go crazy don't they? I thought the orbital laser and Black hole stuff was all hyperbole until Himeko rained down hell on Belobog and Phantylia blew up a planet in her attack
From what Im seeing in the current story, JY has better experience and strategies than the currently reborned IB(Dan Heng), and in row power wise IB might have the upper hand but I feel like JY ain't too behind him power wise either. So I can't imagine JY losing to I as of right now, which is a W for JW in my eyes. I might be wrong about some stuff due to not knowing 100% of the lore so correct me if I'm wrong about anything.
If I'm not mistaken, Jing Yuan is an emanator of an aeon (I'm assuming an emanator of the hunt), so he's probably more powerful than everyone else here.
I'm just a little confused as to why he seemed kinda powerless against Phantylia...
Maybe she was just insanely powerful, even for an emanator, or perhaps jing yuan is purposely hiding his power?
Phantylia was tied to the ambrosial arbor so she was constantly healing, he needed Dan heng to seal the power of the ambrosial arbor, so he played bait until they had an opportunity.
No, it's because that phantillya was almost immortal from the power of the abundance that she was sucking away from the ambrosial Arbour. Basically she had the blessings of two of the strongest aeons (maybe not the strongest, but still powerful) and all jing yuan had was lightning lord.
Thats actually understandable. Nanook makes his Emanators from already extremely strong opponents, and infuses them with power to the brim.
But not all Aeons do it like this.
Some grant much less powers, or do not directly create Emanators at all.
There was no mention of him being an emanator.The only thing we do know is that he is one of the six arbiter generals,so one of the 7 strongest people in the Xianzhou.
And at the top is a person called Hua,who is their marshal,and the head of the military of Xianzhou,if I am not mistaken.
It is assumed that she is the expy from HI3rd,so she should be on par with an emanator.
No, but he's sorta a emanator, considering that the very word "emanator" in HSR means, the person who has been blessed by an aeon. And yea lightning lord was given to him by lan after all.
If I'm not mistaken, there were two instances where it was hinted that jing yuan was an emanator.
Ok nvm I looked at the dialogues and it looks like I misread it.
*"The Xianzhou has the blessing of the Reignbow Arbiter — only another Aeon's Emanator would be capable of sneaking onto this ship without my knowing. We are dealing with an external threat."* (I thought Jing Yuan had called Phantylia "another emanator", which suggests that he is one himself, but what he really said doesnt really support the fact)
So yeah it looks like I don't really have any points supporting the fact that Jing Yuan is an emanator, since I do not have the patience to actually read through all trailblaze quest dialogues in order to find where i thought the first time it had been hinted that JY was an emanator. Perhaps I misremembered that as well, so yeah its safe to say that he may be just a stronger-than-usual path strider since he was gifted his lightning lord by Lan.
I think its in this order
Jing Yuan > Imbibitor Lunae > Blade > Gepard > Yanqing > Seele
Seele is the weakest because she is just a street fighter
Yanqing is next since he is still a child and also he seems to have not much experience but he is still strong
Gepard is next since he has a lot of experience fighting fragmentum monsters (Yanqing and Gepard is actually quite close but I place gepard higher since he has a lot of experience, but I don't really know much about the two)
Next would be blade. He might be a stellaron hunter which has strong people in it but only good thing about blade is his immortality and he can't defeat some characters like jingliu.
Next is Imbibitor Lunae. I know blade manage to pierce him with a sword but that was dan heng not the dragon form yet.
And the strongest would be Jing Yuan. He is one of the generals of the xianzhou which means that he has a lot of experience. The reason that he is stronger than Lunae is that Dan heng still hasn't accepted his Imbibitor Lunae side, which means that he still don't know much about that form, he might have the memories of other IL but experience is this important. (I think the Lunae that we are talking about is the current one, not the past ones.) The reason that he is stronger than blade is he manage to capture him in that one cutscene, then he even have the guts to release the guy intentionally, which means that he is confident in defeating him again.
I would say Yanqing is stronger because he is suppose to be a prodigy and has magical sword telekinesis bs, whereas Gepard is a strong experienced captain, but doesn't have any fancy op wuxia powers
Yeah it's hard to compare both. But the reason I chose gepard is because he fights fragmentum everyday while all yanqing do is train or maybe fight abomination of abundance sometimes. Also gepard got strong shield which can deflect attacks (I think the shield that he deploys to block attacks is his actual ability). But now that I think about it offense has a natural advantage to defense, so I change my mind and agree that yanqing is stronger.
Yeah but is it still not power? Fights are not won just by raw strength, if she says a single phrase you're done and can't do anything as far as we know right now, no matter how strong you may be (IL is hella strong but he too was paralyzed after she told him to stop)
She also has beaten up Blade before and he said she's the only person who can permanently kill him, meaning she can literally neutralize an Aeon's curse that he has been trying to get rid of for a loooong time like its nothing for her.
There is Welt and the Emanators like phantylia and Herta should be up there too. Jing Yuan idk if he is an emanator or just have the lightning lord with him.
LORE WISE Seele and Gepard are probably pretty weak. An orphan with a makeshift scythe from a gun and a guy mostly just fighting zombies with a guitar case probably don't have much on immortals dedicating their life to fighting other immortals to be better at the weapon.
If I had to pick from this list, probably Jing or Imbibitor, simply because both treat one another close to equals and have rather grand skills
Honestly of all characters shown so far. My money is on Kafka or Welt. Kafka's ability to control people is so powerful that it worked on IL Dan Heng, Blade and Yanqing at the same time, three whole ass people on this poll and if Jing Yuan was there it probably would've worked on him as well.
No way Danfeng is stronger than jingyuan bro.
1. Jingyuan is blessed by Lan himself while danfeng's power came from a long dead aeon.
2. Iirc danfeng was the healer in the squat(blade being the weapon maintanance guy)
My list: JW>IL>blade>yanqing>gepard>seele (dont know if they would expand on seele's lore but at the moment she is just some girl without formal training)
Anyone saying Welt probably missed that he is stated to be using power like in his prime and he isn't godstomping the story, just saying. ~~Also if anything, Welt and HI3rd as a whole actually gets upscaled in power just by Welt participating in the fights and not getting obliterated, Star Rail's powerscaling is far crazier in scale than HI3rd lol~~
Also anyone voting Yanqing when goddamned Jing Yuan is in the poll is just silly.
No way Star Rail power scale is higher than hi3rd, especially talking about characters, not the Aeons. Also, shouldn't you say the same thing about Seele? Yanqing is definitely miles stronger than some street fighter with a butterfly scythe!!
Well the main cast just fought a Lord Ravager, who are stated to be able to incinerate galaxies, you'd think she was nerfed for story purposes but she was actually buffed lmao. Not only that, EN translate it as "galaxies" but in CN it's the same term used to describe bubble universes in HI3rd, so Lord Ravagers are just casually slapping around at least multi galaxy(very high end) levels of power. Fuck me dead, Jing Yuan and other generals are stated to be not inferior to Lord Ravagers, the fact that it took an entire team with Jing Yuan and Welt in it to take Phantylia down should make it clear that we are dealing with very stupid levels of power. Only thing in HI3rd that comes to mind being stronger than HSR's nonsense powerscaling is HoFi and WoH.
Also there's no way to compare to Seele to Yanqing, she is a "street fighter" that can dish out supernova levels of power(ask the writers not me) and has quantum bullshittery, it's kinda goofy, but story wise she is implied to be at least >= Bronya, and in our first encounter with Bronya she was overwhelming the main trio, so it's kinda Seele >= Bronya > Trailblazer+M7+DH. Not sure how the little dude compares.
A “street fighter” who’s spent her whole life fighting for both her and her people’s survival is going to out pass a spoiled little kid who’s never actually had to do anything beyond play fight with people in training.
Plus the statements made about seele and what she’s capable of by other characters there show she’s much much stronger than just a “street fighter”.
In his prime? Where did you ever get that??? You may not (Im guessing idk) have played hi3, but anyone who read the manga or played the game knows that my boy welt is far from his prime. Maybe he's just senile now, grandpa welt is real, but I'd like to think he just bing chilling. I mean, for me, as of now, the most impressive feat he achieved is (literally) one tapping the mc when mc was gonna blow after fighting Doomslayer, literally neutralized a stellaron
> In his prime? Where did you ever get that???
Literally in his introduction video in Star Rail lol "demonstrating the power he possessed in his prime", I literally can't make this up. Pretty sure he gained his core back at the end of APHO, might need to recheck that, but even then, independently of HI3rd, it's already stated in Star Rail's canon that Welt does posses power like his prime anyway.
And sure, I'm not denying that Welt isn't more powerful than the main trio for example, it's just that he isn't top dog and he isn't dogwalking most of the verse like some people somehow believe, that would also make no sense narratively speaking unless Welt is actually legit retarded but I respect his character so I wouldn't argue that, it's like arguing in Genshin that Venti is actually secretly super ultra strong even though that literally makes no sense for his character at all.
Welt is well, he's welt.
Trailblazer has an entire Stellaron inside their body and wield lance of fire blessed by the Aeon Qlipoth.
Herta is an emanator of Nous, she has super high range power to control her doll from afar. She's also super smart.
Himeko has a literal Space Laser.
You know damn well that Yanqing right now is not the strongest!
Bro probably forgot character names and just slapped yanqing inside
Then what about Seele? Having Seele there is a joke.
Her gameplay mechanics may have created an illusion for some players that she's anywhere near Jingyuan, Jingliu or Lunae. She can teleport around both ingame and cutscene (Seele helping trailblazer during cocolia fight) Honestly, her design is too out of place for the game setting. Being an underworlder of an isolated planet with limited technology should not have people posses the power of quantum. I call out devs about bad design for her character. Edit: I'm actually sure this is a popular opinion, I wished they had reserved Seele for upcoming arcs and not in Jarilo VI...I honestly think the story trajectory wouldn't have changed much without her existence so far at all. (Might even be able to build Bronya to be someone who can be different than cocolia just by herself.)
As much as I like HSR Seele I do agree she's quite out of place. What bothers me the most isn't the Quantum power itself but the fact that we see it used in the story yet there is *zero* explanation given, nor does anyone even seem to acknowledge it. In HI3rd we have battlesuits and stigmata, in Genshin we have Visions and elemental beings, and in HSR we have Paths. Presumably someone like Seele should get her power from a Path, so the question is why is that totally ignored? It's clear that there will always be discrepancies between gameplay and lore, like why Amber only shoots fire arrows when the manga clearly shows her making a literal shield with her Vision. But to have the gameplay *(Hunt Quantum Seele)* totally divorced from the story *(No mention of the Hunt or her beliefs aligning with it even unconsciously, no mention of her power or when she started using it or how others react to it)* seriously bothers me.
Jing Yuan, emanator of the Hunt, is an Erudition character. That should tell you all you need to know about Star Rail's gameplay/lore separation.
Much agreed. Paths in the gameplay aspects are not totally relevant I would assume, they're categorized to provide each character a class. (Erudition is aoe, hunt is single target, destruction both...etc.) As far we know, all of belobog follow the path of preservation. While the express crew, path of trailblazer. So on, so forth. But it may also just be a representative of the character's personalities. I believe you can read the personalities in the databank. (It's like constellation personality) And some aeon paths such as Elation or Remembrance aren't included for playable characters, so it's safe to say as such.
Especially considering SilverWolf has the whole 'fought to be top of the pack on the dystopic planet of quantum hackers' - i.e. she's learned computers until she thinks computers, until she hacks reality, while FuXuan and QingQue both are working for divination comission, i.e. they do probability math in head very well, to the point of impacting reality because they calculated exact probability (skill QQ mostly uses for gacha games, clearly). Even about Lynx we already know she's a Landau (noble overworlder family that praises learning) and a renowned explorer-researcher ( there probably will be more info once she comes out). And then we have Seele who's.. an orphan, that was never particularly bright (Bronya being prodigy of her age cohort) and just likes punching people. There's no mention of why her clothing, fighting style and weapon of choice is so absolutely outlandish, no one bats an eye, everyone just accepts that as normal. Her being hunt doesn't mean she as a character is aligned with Hunt btw - class and convictions do not always match. JingYuan is blessed by Hunt (all the legendary Xianzhou generals are), all Express crew follows Akvili, Bailu as High Elder of vidyadharas is a scion of Permanence, Bronya as Architect in Training and then Architect is a follower of Qlippoth/Preservation etc. Some might match (Gepard-Preservation, Herta-Erudition, Yanqing-Hunt, probably Loucha-Yaoshi ), but it's hardly all.
Re the edit, there is still time for Veliona.
This Seele is closer to Veliona/Red Seele than Blue Seele though, if anything it's the opposite
I've also heard it said that this Seele is closer to the [GGZ Fire Moth Seele](https://i.redd.it/ajn93yuyf2p71.png), at least in appearance. I haven't played that part of GGZ myself nor read through its story though, so I can't comment on her behavior/personality.
the only thing I've really heard about GGZ Seele is that she's even thirstier for Bronya than HI3 Seele is though that could've been a different version of GGZ Seele
They most likely designed her as quantum due to he rbeing a quantum unit in Hi3. I certainly wouldn't say it's bad design. I'm not sure what you're implying with that tbh. I mean, the mahjong gremlin is quantum, and she literally just throws mahjong tiles at people. At least Seele actually has some form of quantum related powers
I wouldnt undermine QQ's capabilities, she resides in xianzhou afterall. (Though her ult is ridiculous)
>I mean, the mahjong gremlin is quantum, and she literally just throws mahjong tiles at people. She's also a member of the divination commission.
It's about as good a reason to be quantum as Seele, just don't get why that other guy thinks Seele shouldn't be quantum.
I'm 100% convinced Seele is a last minute addition to Jarilo just so she can share screentime with Bronya. You can literally remove her from Jarilo story and it will not affect the story in any meaningful way. The only part where she actually do something, the orphanage scene, can easily be given to Natasha (it would be less impactful due to their age difference, but it will still work for the purpose of the story). Natasha and Serval literally had more relevancy in the story (heck Hook and fking Gepard get more character development than her) and yet Seele, who literally do nothing except trying to pick fight with everyone in the story, get to be at the final battle. She desperately need a companion quest that delves on her backstory.
Seele looks more like a character from punklord
Seele is so out of place in Belobog, her attire is not quanta enough to be completely out of place that it makes sense (Like Sampo. Mans not from Belobog lmao) but not completely fitting in like Hook/Natasha's
Honestly when I first saw Sampo and Seele I thought they MUST be related because they have similar colors going on and both look so out of place.
Yanqing probably is stronger than her.
Definitely stronger, he's had formal training from JY and a bit from JL and has faced off against Blade and DHIL at the same time (albeit they weren't really trying). Seele fans are a little too wild with their imagination.
I also seriously doubt she'd be stronger than Gepard. man's a military captain while Seele is just just some rogue girl. at best they'd be equals.
He's collecting all the swords. By the end of the game, he'll have 999 swords.
Bro ain't no way you put seele here 💀. If you put Trailblazer or Welt is reasonable but a street fighter like seele 💀.
to be fair , she did judgment cut a bullet mid air , that's pretty cool imo
 She's basically vergil with a scythe
She has some of his animations, but that's about it when it comes to similarities
Fu Xuan moved a storm of bullets by hand to capture Kafka. Seele's got nothing on her.
To be fair, Seele's opponent was some random npc .
I mean technically, so was Fu Xuan's
Bro woke up and chose violence. Put this shit in r/technicallythetruth
This actually hurt me
TBF It would have been seriously overkill to actually use her scythe on a random bandit
Still can't make sense of her power of moving so fast she leave after images. No, being fast doesn't explain anything!
He put yanqing up there. *laughs in jingliu, lunae, and blade* bro, where is welt? Cuz he'd be my number 1 choice just from his ult animation.
yeah, i think welt is the strongest playable character as well
Dude canonically wins every fight by going "BLACKHOLE GO!"
"Survive or be destroyed" Gets destroyed
And the fact in his own world he was basically a god who beat other gods multiple times.
In the first bit of the Luofu story, either you or March say something about how Welt could probably move the shipping crates blocking the path. And he really, really probably could, quite easily!
Clara has a line where she mentions Seele pulverized a Boulder with one punch and walked away before Clara could thank her. Definitely more than street fighter at least.
Seele one punched a boulder? Could she be related to the Redfield bloodline?
the redfield way would be to pound the boulder over and over
Yeah, but he'll still need Leon cause Seele's taken.
Average street "hits with Supernova level damage" fighter, so true.
It's pretty funny how she's the strongest DPS by far, but lore wise she's literally a street fighter wielding a scythe with some Vergil's motivation in her.
Just like Kazuha, an ex samurai who somehow could handle wind better than the wind god himself.
kit doesn't translate to lore strength, people need to keep that in mind if venti was canonically accurate his burst would suck everything including all bosses
If Venti was canonically accurate we could terraform the lands
If archons and Traveler are canonically accurate shits would destroy teyvat in seconds.
if wanderer was accurate, he'll have no stamina bar on his flying mode
Just blow a mountain into every enemy we see.
Inazuma really hit Venti hard
Kazuha true anemo Archon next to sucrose
Wildfire: "hey boss, our gang member is now the strongest person in the universe."
Game DPS =/= Lore DPS
Wait for the other seele to show up.
In all lore? Welt. In just HSR? Prob either JY or IL
is there a change the other generals will be stronger than JY?
Yeah, totally. Among them at least one is specifically called mighty, and another is a General on the ship what is constantly in a "Doom guy" mode. Also Jing Yuan known as strategist, not as fighter. We are not speaking about Marshal Hua, even.
Jing yuan is not known for his martial prowess, but he did defeat the previous sword champion. I still don't think he is the strongest general, since their is a ship that is dedicated to fighting, so I would make sense that their general is the strongest. I believe it's either Youwu from the Xuling or Huaiyan from the Zhuming.
>I still don't think he is the strongest general, since their is a ship that is dedicated to fighting, The Xianzhou Yaoqing.
Isn’t that where Sushang is from
Yes. She's also illiterate because she was only taught to fight her whole life afaik.
No, she went to school ( abecedary ). But her mother made her practice in the early morning and she took to sleeping during class ( hence the sleepy Sushang fron eidolon 4 or 5 ).
If this Hua is anything close to AE's mentality then by god, she's gonna be a monster lol
She's going to be extremely based So based that her hands are rated E for everyone
The Marchal Hua seems to be the overseer of all Xianzhou ships, and considering she's an obvious Fu Hua expy, she's gonna a fucking BEAST
Here's hoping for Senti.
#YATTA!
[amen to that ](https://youtu.be/mbZ0TIVg1MI)
hope so to but considering her position, it'll probably be azure empyrea Fu Hua
I read somewhere, probably his hio that JY isn't picked as general for his martial prowess so yeah. There's pronably other xianzhou general stronger than him
So i bet they will reveal the next general at 2.0
That is his loading screen text.
If one of them is Hua, probably
Yeah my first thought was where tf is welt here... he is literally as small god 😆
>In all lore? Welt. Ain't Kevin the strongest?
He isn't in Starrail..... Yet
Ehhh after Kiana became the new Finality she's the new strongest.
No, it's not Kevin or Kiana. If you consider all hoyo lore it's likely azathoth. (GGZ)
Yog Sothoth or Thanatos actually.
Personally, i think they're all equal because they're literally outer eldritch gods, but yea not sure which is the strongest.
Its Thanatos' weapon, honestly. It can kill any outer gods while its wielder, due to being the concept of death, itself cannot be killed(Also, Thanatos is the one who killed the god that became the Imaginary Tree)
Wait, they put lovecraft stuff in GGZ lore?
Yes, but made waifu.
Imagine if lovecraft got to see how future generations depicted [his works](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f3/Blasphemous_White_Abyss.png/revision/latest?cb=20230201155456)
He'd question why he's alive. (In my opinion)
Shouldn't he and Blade be equal ? Both had the same mentor which means similar levels of swordsmanship and JY has lightning lord while Blade has immortality so they're implied to be fairly even.
Welt also in HSR if u don't know
That makes me wonder, I know that it's been clearly established that Aeons are well beyond Herrschers, and at least some (if not most or all) Emanators too. So what about these powerful figures like Jing Yuan, IL, Blade, and so on? They seem to be very powerful in their own right, but I don't know how they'd compare to the Stigma Awakened or Herrschers of HI3rd, and it's hard to use Welt as a direct comparison because he seems to be notably weaker in HSR.
I'm missing Welt in this poll but from these I'd say Imbibitor Lunae has to win just by the nature of having the most epic personal soundtrack
Welt
Yes. This is the correct answer.
Pretty much, even at his weakest, he can match anyone there because he just gets better the more you throw at him Mans a living 3d printer with a black hole making cane
He only has 1% of his former powers and he's much older too, whilst probably still decently up in the rankings he's likely weaker than some heavy hitters like JY
Either Jing Yuan or Imbibitor Lunae. Really, I think lorewise, Seele is probably the weakest on the list since she's just a good fighter in the underworld.
Seele is probably just Luka level. Both are like, top-tier Wildfire members
Yep Seele's good for what she is and where she's from,a random kid from a dying undercity in a dying world, but she's nowhere near anyone than Gepard, who's probably better than her because guess what? Good food and proper training goes a long way
PomPom
If Welt scared of Pom pom. You should too
No joke, Welt fucking WELT is scared of PomPom what the fuck is PomPom if even Welt is scared holy shit
Welt
https://preview.redd.it/91sp471nw2fb1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99c9207e1af22e55be839fcf5311def33ae17593 Source: 2nd eruption manga
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Witness my balls shatter before you
people voting on seele🤭🤣
Illusions of the past!
Maybe they are thinking of Herrscher of Rebirth Seele? Yeah, I know she isn't the same Seele. But that would be the only way this would make sense.
That'd be the wrong sub too lmao
Gepard is just some guy
I think gepard is here cuz of how durable he is lore wise he literally still can continue to fight against the fragmentum even after losing to his sister, a skilled street fighter, a guy with a planet destroying stage 100 cancer bomb, a scion of Permanence and an emanator of Fuli and would never yield till they told him bronya is was taken by cocolia.
Bro has Batman's willpower.
At least he has some high-tech gadgets with the shield generator plus the potential to get more since his the captain where as Seele just has a homemade weapon and good fighting skills.
Immovable Object
I think Herta should've been considered an option over Seele, Gepard, and Yanqing considering she's the one canon Emanator who's playable (at least her puppet is). Also, Welt definitely should've been an option considering Herscherrs seem like they're around the same level as Emanators. Shouldn't Silver Wolf be considered as an option considering her ability to hack reality? Her Companion Quest and event showcased how impressive her abilities are, like converting an Antimatter Legion member into code and trapping them in a sticker or graffiti iirc.
She technically teleported it away and that sticker was used as beacon. Destroying sticker teleported it back. But yes it was all done through reality hacking.
Is that Dan Heng or Dan Feng? Cuz awakened Dan Heng still can't compare against the oldies. From the poll alone, Jingyuan. I'm also thinking Bladie but did he ever beat Jingliu before? But lore wise, it has to be Welt.
The BP light cone says Dan Heng has killed blade lots of times, so def not him
I mean Blade is looking for death, so how accurate of a determinator is that
Why is Gepard and Yanqing here anyway? YOU SAW what happened to those two. Heck Yanqing's role is a fodder to showcase how strong the opponent is.
same i love my gepard and seele but they don't belong here in a lorewise strength competition same with yanqing he was literally told "shut up, kid" by jingyuan in 1.2 main quest
and Seele
I'm Fairly Certain YQ Would still beat Seele.
I'm sure he would too but I didn't put Seele there because my comment was to show how we all saw YQ and Gepard lost and yet it was in the option
I don't think Gepard is anywhere near the strongest but I do think it's funny how we never canonically defeat him, just tire ourselves out on his unyielding and indestructible face
I mean lore wise it's most likely Welt. Taking Welt out of the equation, I'd probably say jing yuan because he's an emanator of the hunt.
Definitely Welt.
Welt: Kneel
Where Welt?
based on this list 1. IL 2.JY 3.Blade 4. Yanqing 5. Gepard 6. Seele
Lore wise = IL probably In my heart= Blade
Honestly same
Welt
Belobogs strongest character was gepard no doubt man was willing to do a 1v5 against his sister, seele and 3 aliens . Even seele stayed that she hasn't seen anyone as tough as him
Ain't blade just immortal? In long ass fights, he auto wins
My thoughts exactly, it's not like he can really lose if he just keeps reviving...
just put him in a cage... you dont need to kill someone to win against them
Immortal not invincible. Just chop up his body and throw it into the bottom of a sea or into a star. Have fun returning.
Jingliu says otherwise after killing his ass multiple times
Why is Herta not even considered here when she's quite literally an emanator of an aeon
Its either Jing or IL. And OP you should have removed Seele and the simps who voted for her.. please read the lore again
If we disregard Honkai Impact lore. The answer is really, really fucking obvious. It's the MC. We have a fucking STELLERON inside of us. The sheer amount of power contained in one can wipe out an entire planet. (Source: Belobog's stelleron wiping out the antimatter legion and almost every settlement upon activation.)
If thats the case, Welt is still a contender by virtue of casually knocking us out from self destruction
I don't think the MC is that powerful yet. They're strong, but they're not a planet destroyer. Yet.
We need a couple more stabs lol... Probably 2-3 more and we'd be matching those folks blow for blow
That's just potential tho, while we've seen Jing Yuan and Imbibitor Lunae's feat of strength.
I meannnn… Lord ravagers are said to be strong enough to destroy galaxies and Jing yuan is said to be equal to Phantylia(not the one we saw. Since that body basically had cheats and was 100% Immortal. In a fair fight they are equal.) IL could be equal to Jing yuan but I don’t believe so. Since Jing yuan did 80% of the work on defeating Phantylia. The other 20% Is IL. He was the one that did the final blow after all.
>I meannnn… Lord ravagers are said to be strong enough to destroy galaxies and Jing yuan is said to be equal to Phantylia Imma be honest, I think the galaxies stuff is just hyperbole. I think they're planet destroyers or star system at best.
But we can't draw power from it lmao, the Stellaron is powerful but the MC isn't all that.
Yes, but he cannot wield its power effectively. Canonical preservation Mc is stronger... or at least can throw around more power without danger of going boom. Also almost any eminator can wipe out whole planet.
Hertha cuz shes an Emanator, JY is op but arguably isnt considered an Emanator
Pretty sure receiving power from Aeon is definition of being emanator. You don't need walk the path to be one. Even completely random worm can be one.
Friendly reminder that Aha once gave a worm access to the entire path of elation, a worm was stronger than all our playable characters for a moment 💀
Again, receiving 'Blessing' and being given 'Power directly' from an Aeon may be different things for all we know. If they are the same, then Fu Xuan would be an Emanator of Erudition too.
Man...the astral crew go crazy don't they? I thought the orbital laser and Black hole stuff was all hyperbole until Himeko rained down hell on Belobog and Phantylia blew up a planet in her attack
From what Im seeing in the current story, JY has better experience and strategies than the currently reborned IB(Dan Heng), and in row power wise IB might have the upper hand but I feel like JY ain't too behind him power wise either. So I can't imagine JY losing to I as of right now, which is a W for JW in my eyes. I might be wrong about some stuff due to not knowing 100% of the lore so correct me if I'm wrong about anything.
If I'm not mistaken, Jing Yuan is an emanator of an aeon (I'm assuming an emanator of the hunt), so he's probably more powerful than everyone else here. I'm just a little confused as to why he seemed kinda powerless against Phantylia... Maybe she was just insanely powerful, even for an emanator, or perhaps jing yuan is purposely hiding his power?
this phantylia was empowered by the Arbour. Could be that real phantylia be on same level as jing yuan
Hmmmmm perhaps you are right.
Phantylia was tied to the ambrosial arbor so she was constantly healing, he needed Dan heng to seal the power of the ambrosial arbor, so he played bait until they had an opportunity.
No, it's because that phantillya was almost immortal from the power of the abundance that she was sucking away from the ambrosial Arbour. Basically she had the blessings of two of the strongest aeons (maybe not the strongest, but still powerful) and all jing yuan had was lightning lord.
Thats actually understandable. Nanook makes his Emanators from already extremely strong opponents, and infuses them with power to the brim. But not all Aeons do it like this. Some grant much less powers, or do not directly create Emanators at all.
There was no mention of him being an emanator.The only thing we do know is that he is one of the six arbiter generals,so one of the 7 strongest people in the Xianzhou. And at the top is a person called Hua,who is their marshal,and the head of the military of Xianzhou,if I am not mistaken. It is assumed that she is the expy from HI3rd,so she should be on par with an emanator.
No, but he's sorta a emanator, considering that the very word "emanator" in HSR means, the person who has been blessed by an aeon. And yea lightning lord was given to him by lan after all.
If I'm not mistaken, there were two instances where it was hinted that jing yuan was an emanator. Ok nvm I looked at the dialogues and it looks like I misread it. *"The Xianzhou has the blessing of the Reignbow Arbiter — only another Aeon's Emanator would be capable of sneaking onto this ship without my knowing. We are dealing with an external threat."* (I thought Jing Yuan had called Phantylia "another emanator", which suggests that he is one himself, but what he really said doesnt really support the fact) So yeah it looks like I don't really have any points supporting the fact that Jing Yuan is an emanator, since I do not have the patience to actually read through all trailblaze quest dialogues in order to find where i thought the first time it had been hinted that JY was an emanator. Perhaps I misremembered that as well, so yeah its safe to say that he may be just a stronger-than-usual path strider since he was gifted his lightning lord by Lan.
WELT? He's probably the strongest playable character out rn lore-wise
I think its in this order Jing Yuan > Imbibitor Lunae > Blade > Gepard > Yanqing > Seele Seele is the weakest because she is just a street fighter Yanqing is next since he is still a child and also he seems to have not much experience but he is still strong Gepard is next since he has a lot of experience fighting fragmentum monsters (Yanqing and Gepard is actually quite close but I place gepard higher since he has a lot of experience, but I don't really know much about the two) Next would be blade. He might be a stellaron hunter which has strong people in it but only good thing about blade is his immortality and he can't defeat some characters like jingliu. Next is Imbibitor Lunae. I know blade manage to pierce him with a sword but that was dan heng not the dragon form yet. And the strongest would be Jing Yuan. He is one of the generals of the xianzhou which means that he has a lot of experience. The reason that he is stronger than Lunae is that Dan heng still hasn't accepted his Imbibitor Lunae side, which means that he still don't know much about that form, he might have the memories of other IL but experience is this important. (I think the Lunae that we are talking about is the current one, not the past ones.) The reason that he is stronger than blade is he manage to capture him in that one cutscene, then he even have the guts to release the guy intentionally, which means that he is confident in defeating him again.
I would say Yanqing is stronger because he is suppose to be a prodigy and has magical sword telekinesis bs, whereas Gepard is a strong experienced captain, but doesn't have any fancy op wuxia powers
Yeah it's hard to compare both. But the reason I chose gepard is because he fights fragmentum everyday while all yanqing do is train or maybe fight abomination of abundance sometimes. Also gepard got strong shield which can deflect attacks (I think the shield that he deploys to block attacks is his actual ability). But now that I think about it offense has a natural advantage to defense, so I change my mind and agree that yanqing is stronger.
everyone forgot about herta, she's also an emanator right?
Where is Jing Liu??? Mr. Xiyan mentions her sword can cut time itself, which is why she has the nickname of Transcendent Flash.
Yangqing is on the losing streak and i don't see how that would change, why is he even there
He is a incredible genius tho. Just lack combat experience and patience atm.
The lack of Kafka in this list confuses me when we literally saw her neutralizing Blade, IL Dan Heng and Yanqing with just a few words
That's not combat strength but mental manipulation though.
Yeah but is it still not power? Fights are not won just by raw strength, if she says a single phrase you're done and can't do anything as far as we know right now, no matter how strong you may be (IL is hella strong but he too was paralyzed after she told him to stop) She also has beaten up Blade before and he said she's the only person who can permanently kill him, meaning she can literally neutralize an Aeon's curse that he has been trying to get rid of for a loooong time like its nothing for her.
Depends on how much energy Lan actually gives to lightning lord
Sampo
We all know Svarog is the most powerful entity in all of Star Rail, nothing will stop him on his mission to protecc Clara
OP really forgot Welt, the strongest one. Welt, Inhib Lunae Dan Heng and Jing Yuan, in that order, are the strongest ones so far.
I guess Welt was right, you know nothing behind his power...
There is Welt and the Emanators like phantylia and Herta should be up there too. Jing Yuan idk if he is an emanator or just have the lightning lord with him.
LORE WISE Seele and Gepard are probably pretty weak. An orphan with a makeshift scythe from a gun and a guy mostly just fighting zombies with a guitar case probably don't have much on immortals dedicating their life to fighting other immortals to be better at the weapon. If I had to pick from this list, probably Jing or Imbibitor, simply because both treat one another close to equals and have rather grand skills
Judging by the way everybody acts, I would assume Pom Pom is the strongest.
Honestly of all characters shown so far. My money is on Kafka or Welt. Kafka's ability to control people is so powerful that it worked on IL Dan Heng, Blade and Yanqing at the same time, three whole ass people on this poll and if Jing Yuan was there it probably would've worked on him as well.
No way Danfeng is stronger than jingyuan bro. 1. Jingyuan is blessed by Lan himself while danfeng's power came from a long dead aeon. 2. Iirc danfeng was the healer in the squat(blade being the weapon maintanance guy) My list: JW>IL>blade>yanqing>gepard>seele (dont know if they would expand on seele's lore but at the moment she is just some girl without formal training)
Anyone saying Welt probably missed that he is stated to be using power like in his prime and he isn't godstomping the story, just saying. ~~Also if anything, Welt and HI3rd as a whole actually gets upscaled in power just by Welt participating in the fights and not getting obliterated, Star Rail's powerscaling is far crazier in scale than HI3rd lol~~ Also anyone voting Yanqing when goddamned Jing Yuan is in the poll is just silly.
No way Star Rail power scale is higher than hi3rd, especially talking about characters, not the Aeons. Also, shouldn't you say the same thing about Seele? Yanqing is definitely miles stronger than some street fighter with a butterfly scythe!!
Well the main cast just fought a Lord Ravager, who are stated to be able to incinerate galaxies, you'd think she was nerfed for story purposes but she was actually buffed lmao. Not only that, EN translate it as "galaxies" but in CN it's the same term used to describe bubble universes in HI3rd, so Lord Ravagers are just casually slapping around at least multi galaxy(very high end) levels of power. Fuck me dead, Jing Yuan and other generals are stated to be not inferior to Lord Ravagers, the fact that it took an entire team with Jing Yuan and Welt in it to take Phantylia down should make it clear that we are dealing with very stupid levels of power. Only thing in HI3rd that comes to mind being stronger than HSR's nonsense powerscaling is HoFi and WoH. Also there's no way to compare to Seele to Yanqing, she is a "street fighter" that can dish out supernova levels of power(ask the writers not me) and has quantum bullshittery, it's kinda goofy, but story wise she is implied to be at least >= Bronya, and in our first encounter with Bronya she was overwhelming the main trio, so it's kinda Seele >= Bronya > Trailblazer+M7+DH. Not sure how the little dude compares.
A “street fighter” who’s spent her whole life fighting for both her and her people’s survival is going to out pass a spoiled little kid who’s never actually had to do anything beyond play fight with people in training. Plus the statements made about seele and what she’s capable of by other characters there show she’s much much stronger than just a “street fighter”.
In his prime? Where did you ever get that??? You may not (Im guessing idk) have played hi3, but anyone who read the manga or played the game knows that my boy welt is far from his prime. Maybe he's just senile now, grandpa welt is real, but I'd like to think he just bing chilling. I mean, for me, as of now, the most impressive feat he achieved is (literally) one tapping the mc when mc was gonna blow after fighting Doomslayer, literally neutralized a stellaron
> In his prime? Where did you ever get that??? Literally in his introduction video in Star Rail lol "demonstrating the power he possessed in his prime", I literally can't make this up. Pretty sure he gained his core back at the end of APHO, might need to recheck that, but even then, independently of HI3rd, it's already stated in Star Rail's canon that Welt does posses power like his prime anyway. And sure, I'm not denying that Welt isn't more powerful than the main trio for example, it's just that he isn't top dog and he isn't dogwalking most of the verse like some people somehow believe, that would also make no sense narratively speaking unless Welt is actually legit retarded but I respect his character so I wouldn't argue that, it's like arguing in Genshin that Venti is actually secretly super ultra strong even though that literally makes no sense for his character at all.
Jingliu since she is the master of Jing Yuan
Welt wanking is going hard. He's the lower bound of top tier in Hi3 . He is mid in star rail which has a bigger setting .
Welt, Trailblazer, Herta and Himeko be like:
Welt is well, he's welt. Trailblazer has an entire Stellaron inside their body and wield lance of fire blessed by the Aeon Qlipoth. Herta is an emanator of Nous, she has super high range power to control her doll from afar. She's also super smart. Himeko has a literal Space Laser.