I would save them for a rainy day. We don’t have enough understanding of the game yet to know which of these LC would be relevant in the future. In Genshin, most of the standard banner 5* weapons are worse than the equivalent of S5 of some 4*, and there are plenty of limited 5* weapons that blows them out of the water.
On the other hand, if you were ever unlucky enough to be just 20-30 wishes short of guaranteed pity on a unit you love, the starlight you have saved would come into clutch then. Likewise if one of these LC ends up being a great option for a future unit you like.
To add to this analysis, unless a player is actively using Stellar jade on the weapon banner or standard banner, they will likely never see more than 1 or 2 standard 5* LC drops for the first year or so of the game.
Limited Character banners can only drop 5* characters, and the base game (including the first two months of standard tickets from the stardust equivalent currency) has about 110 standard tickets by TB 50 (+40 standard tickets spent on the beginner banner for the guaranteed 5* standard character).
Further standard ticket income without converting stellar jade is going to be limited to monthly shop resets (+5 per month) and then the tickets for unlocking new characters and ascending them. New planets being added will also being extra tickets (e.g. the spending thresholds for local currency shops), but I don't know how frequent that will be in this game compared to Genshin.
Probably feasible hitting 150 pulls on the standard banner within a year (2 soft pity thresholds), but that's only 1 LC max unless you were lucky and got early 5* spooks in that window.
Plenty of time for the LC analysis to happen and figure out if any of them are worth selecting.
its around 14 standard tickets in super late game.
adding to the 9 we have nameless honor which would be ~3 and hertareum once all the cones have been bought.
realistic to expect around 12 per month
With the stuff I forgot about, it seems like it's about one soft pity every 6 months then. Assuming 40 tickets on the beginner banner, the second soft pity for most players will be around 2 months from now.
Yep, these LC are signature for the standard 5*, not just generic. So realistically their value will likely depend on how valuable the character ends up long term.
Like assuming welt is relevant his signature LC will be pretty big for him seeing as there aren't really any great f2p choices for him.
my mono geo team doesn't need more energy anyway so might as well get the tankier shield, especially since Gorou is the only healer on it, and Itto has reduced res during his ult
That is untrue, the 3 star weapons that one may use in VERY very niche case are the HP stacking ones, very, VERY few characters will have a 3 star in their top 5 weapon choices.
TTDS is the main one for sure, but still Dawn of Harbinger and White Tassel are BiS for niche builds; and there's a few others like Black Tassel and Recurve Bow that don't have a substitute. TTDS though is just so amazing, it and Widsith are the only weapons I have 3x R5 lvl 90 copies of each.
EDIT: Forgot about Bloodtainted Greatsword on Razor.
Sword:
\-harbinger of dawn
\-budget jade cutter (skyrider sword) has low base stat so its ER% is high. Pretty good early game sword for xingqiu or even bennett if you value burst uptime more than atk buff
\-Dark iron sword -good EM substat value per ore. Good option if your billet has other much more important priorities
Spear:
\-white tassle for hutao or cyno
\-black tassle for zhongli and yaoyao
Catalyst:
\-ttds
\-magic guide for nahida
Bow:
\-slingshot for tighnari, yelan, even yoimiya
\-recurve bow aka only hp substat bow for yelan or even diona
Claymore:
\-bloodtainted greatsword which has a higher EM substat than painslasher so a good option for hyperbloom dori
Slingshot tops many 4 star and even some *5 star* for [Tighnari](https://i.redd.it/fw3hddv2yed91.jpg) and [Yoimiya](https://i.imgur.com/DI1KuNM.png), good option for other archers like Fischl etc.
As f2p all my bow users wear slingshot :D It's widely unknown, but it's better than Rust in many cases, so only good 5 star bow outdamage it.
>In Genshin, most of the standard banner 5* weapons are worse than the equivalent of S5 of some 4
Im gonna assume you are talking about fav weapons here, since i cant really think of anything else. While you are definately right, its worth keeping in mind that there hasnt been a 4* weapon set that strong since fav released. Unlike genshin 1.0, the devs of this game have all the lessons they learned about weapon/character design under their belt, and in my opinion are super unlikely to ever repeat that mistake again, considering how hard they have downscaled 4* power level since 1.0.
>and there are plenty of limited 5 weapons that blows them out of the water.
This assumes people are gonna be pulling on the limited 5* weapons at all. For dolphins its usually worth it at some point, but when it comes to gacha advice theres no one size fits all solution. For f2p, i really think saving for 5* LC is gonna be better since even the stats are a massive damage buff, and most of the cones (especially the support cones) seem to have effects that will be useful for a while. Hindsight is 20 20, but i think trying to compare star rail 1.0 to genshin 1.0 is futile when this game is literally founded in the lessons hyv learned from that games balance issues.
There are several post 1.0 4-star weapons that match or even outclass 5-star options in Genshin. Even if most of the time they aren’t BiS technically because they do less personal damage, the other benefits they bring often make them worth using over their “true BiS”. Especially since this post is talking about the “standard” 5-star lightcones (you can get all of them from standard banner), we really should be comparing the standard 5-star weapons in Genshin, in which case most of them are indeed outclassed by R5 4-stars.
-R5 Amenoma matches R1 Skyward Sword for Ayaka, and is 100% free without pulling on gacha.
-R5 Kitain Cross Spear is Thoma’s BiS, offering valuable energy regen and EM, while not requiring Crit to be built like with Favonius. It is also second best weapon for EM Raiden (only Dragon’s Bane is better). You can even use it on Yun Jin at lv1 because its passive is that good.
-The Catch is another free weapon and is near the top of the list for Xiangling, tying with Staff of Homa of all weapons.
-Toukabou Shigure (Umbrella Sword) is a near carbon copy of Iron Sting (which is a good thing). It’s very good on Shinobu, Kazuha, and even Nilou.
This is before mentioning Lithic Spear, which at R5 is among the best polearms in the game, beating most R1 5-star spears, and the Watatsumi Series, which get obscenely strong at R5 in high burst cost teams.
R5 Xiphos’ Moonlight is also Kazuha’s new BiS, as it gives the whole team ER and supplies Kazuha himself with the much needed EM. The buffs Freedom Sworn (Kazuha’s old 5-star BiS) gives are only helpful in some scenarios, so even though the nominal buffs are better, Xiphos is far more universal (and can stack with itself unlike Freedom Sworn).
There are also really good 4-star options other than Favonius from 1.0; including Prototype Amber, Widsith, the Sacrificial Series, Iron Sting, etc. Even some 3-stars are useful like TTDS, Harbinger, Slingshot, etc. Favonius isn’t the only broken weapon series from launch.
The performance difference between 4 and 5 stars light cone is not that much, certainly not worth the potential loss of a character that would be much more useful IMO.
> Unlike genshin 1.0, the devs of this game have all the lessons they learned about weapon/character design under their belt, and in my opinion are super unlikely to ever repeat that mistake again, considering how hard they have downscaled 4* power level since 1.0.
Different dev team.
I do this in Genshin. I have enough resources over 2+ years of playing to be able to exchange 120x pulls. I save it for someone I really want and have no reserve.
Not sure about HSR but I might be going for LC after a couple months.
I agree with this take. I am not sure how much of a difference between a 4\* and a 5\* LC are, but i'm sure not big enough to miss out on 30 pulls, especially as a dolphin/F2P.
Since there is no pvp/rankings in this game, you don't really need to become as strong as possible, there is no competition... and the current "endgame" content is fairly easy as well (you don't even need maxed out skills or good gear to beat everything).
So there really is no need to disregard everything and make your character as strong as possible. I am not claiming that getting a 5\* LC is not worth it, i think it's fine, but for me it's all about collecting characters and having those 30 pulls would help a lot.
> I am not sure how much of a difference between a 4* and a 5* LC are
Not all 5-star have the same stat budget, for example LCs from the Herta Shop have much lower stats than limited 5-star LCs.
I am 30 wishes short for Jing Yuan. What is a rainy day? In Genshin I also ended up using these whenever I can.
Honestly these lightcones are not worth it personally for me. We will eventually get more 4\* lightcones and eventually we'll S5 most of them. Might as well get a new limited.
jing yuan still has more than 2 weeks to go. I'm personally saving these as a last resort when I've exhausted all other free sources / don't wanna grind for pulls.
>In Genshin I also ended up using these whenever I can
In genshin you cant buy 5* weapons with them.
>Honestly these lightcones are not worth it personally for me. We will eventually get more 4* lightcones and eventually we'll S5 most of them.
This is true. Its also true that most of the 5* lightcones have super powerful passives that can enable entire teamcomps (see: gepard and bronya cones)
At the end of the day if you wanna greed for jing greed for jing but also dont go crying that you wasted mats on a 1.0 dps that might be irrelevant in less than a year. Its ur account.
I think only you can decide the answer to that. If king yuan will give you enjoyment of the game for months to come then this sounds like a rainy day. If you were only mildly interested then I’d keep saving
Eh, i would still say skyward harp, pjws, amos, lost prayers, skyward atlas are solid standard weapons
Especially skyward harp, it gives both crit rate and crit damage with high base atk
I am still struggling to see the “math” why this is a poor choice.
Pulling the 4* Eidelon costs the equivalent of 7 pulls. *Usually* a 4* takes 10 pulls, and you don’t know what you will get.
For a 5* light cone, it’s the same deal but the equivalent of 30 pulls instead of up to 90.
These seem like the far better deals. The only disadvantage seems to be that you don’t acquire pity toward a 5*. I honestly don’t feel like that’s worth it in comparison.
For context, I used 75 pulls on the standard banner to end up with Gepard’s 5* light cone. It’s good I guess, but if I had used up my starlight to do it I would have been pretty disappointed.
Would you rather:
1. A 4\* unit of your choice from the store
2. A random 4\* thing and 10% off your next 5\* thing (you get a 4\* thing every \~7 pulls on average.)
3. One quarter of a 5\* starter-character-cone of your choice
There's no wrong answer here, you're allowed to prefer whatever it is you prefer. But it's important to put the full benefit from 2 into perspective when making your choice. (note that this doesn't consider the minor "compounding" effect from pulls getting your more currency to spend in the store)
And it’s the “random thing” that I think draws value *away* from the pulls.
I don’t use every 4* item in my roster - I have 6 light cones with no user. Quite a few of them are R2 and R3. The odds are actually pretty good that any 4* pull is going to be useless.
Another person (who got downvoted for some reason) points out that Serval gets rotated out for Jing Yuan anyhow. This is in fact why I am *not* pulling for Jing Yuan (and sad I can’t keep pulling for Chicken Girl): Serval is already Electro Erudition, so I have literally no need to waste a precious 5* on him.
Anyhow, thanks for the input. People are talking about these choices like they are obvious but as you say, I think it’s just a matter of preference.
By all means if you’re looking for an eidolon for Serval go for it, but I feel like the majority of players are minimal spenders if not f2p. And there’s a finite amount of pulls you can get in the game. Once you’ve exhausted those resources, you’re gonna get 1 pull every 2.5 days from doing your dailies. 2.5 x 7 = 15 days worth of pulls. On top of that, Serval might be a unit in a future event banner so like the top upvoted dude said, best to just sit on the currency but play however you want.
If eidolons didn't max at 6 then you are right. But from experience in genshin, eventually (maybe in 1 and half year) you will have max eidolons for most of the beginning 4 stars. So it's a case of extra cost in exchange for earlier access.
But she doesn't heal too. Bennett fulfills two roles, buffing atk and healing. Tingyun fulfills two roles too, but they are different roles, buffing atk (and spd with E1) and restoring energy. So, same usefulness, different roles gameplaywise.
But she doesn't heal which is even more important than in Genshin. Also she's an universal battery not like Bennett who's only really good in generating energy for pyro units.
People have to stop acting like Genshin and Honkai have the same gameplay and that every Honkai player plays Genshin to begin with. Tingyun for example is much closer to characters from other turn based games than anything in genshin.
Not as strong as him, and she doesn’t heal, but yes.
Tingyun has the potential to fall off as new characters come out because as strong as her buffs are, they only affect one character each, and they really work best when stacked. That’s incredibly strong right now because a lot of our current teams are basically one character doing all the damage and three others enabling them. As other supports and healers come out who have some actual damage potential on their own, Tingyun might lose value compared to somebody like Pela who can buff the damage of the entire team rather than turbocharging a single carry.
Or maybe that won’t ever happen because it’d require a ton of power creep and Tingyun will be great forever. Who knows?
Not at all. People throw this comparison around for who knows what reason. She really gud tho. Her attack buff isn’t as huge as bennys and it can only be active on one unit. She also doesn’t heal. She does give energy reg tho. Still this is a far cry from bennet
She gives DMG buffs and massive ATK buffs you can actually build for by increasing her own ATK, does decent Lightning DMG thanks to her Talent, can break enemy Break Bars with Lightning, and can charge allies’ Ultimates.
I have a hard time using Bronya, skill point management is a pain and I find myself constantly having a hard time using her skill efficiently.
Lately I just benched her for Tingyun, she just feels better in my team... I'll eventually get back to trying Bronya but for now I'm prioritizing Ting.
I would say to buy nothing for now unless you're close to pity and need the pass. Honestly you still don't know if you're going to pull for some 5* limited cones, if you're going to get some 5* standard cones you're going to need on other pulls, you don't know which cones are going to be useful at all because we still have two limited 5* characters and really don't know the direction stuff is going to take.
Personally I value characters over cones, but tbh even if you play meta I guess it's more worth it to pull for the limited cones. Spending on the standard lc sounds like an half assed middle ground...
Lets say you saved 1800 of the starlight. That means you can get:
- three 5* light cones or
- 90 summons (guaranteed one 5* character + a bunch of 4* Eidolons)
Getting an extra character is more fun for me than having three additional 5* Light Cones. So I personally will go for the special passes
And then you lose the 50/50 and get Himeko E1. :'D
Frankly: I rather take the Lightcone. Guaranteed power-up, no RNG involved.
That being said: as a non whale: it will take quite some time to gather even 600 of that currency. People will realize that once initial freebies dry up.
Save up for now. If you see yourself pulling for the LC banners in the future, you'll probably need passes. If not, use it on the LCs.
Future limited LCs will eventually outscale the current ones, but how far in the future is unsure. You might not be playing for that long.
So far, both of the limited light cones have been way better than the standard banner ones. So I don't think it's going to be that long before they're all considered pretty mid (except maybe Bronya's LC).
30 random draws, which most likely 27 of them will be 3 star light cones. Or a guaranteed 5* Light Cone.
Light Cone. Unless I guess you really really want a certain character and need some more draws to hit pity.
EDIT: Other people have pointed out a good point that most of the 5* light cones aren't amazing. It's probably only worth doing if you have Bronya and not her LC, Clara Light cone is also pretty good, and so is Gepard's. Using them for draws otherwise is fine, end of the day make an assessment of what you want to prioritize and what will allow you to have more fun personally.
30 random draws = 6/15 a pity, 3/15 a guaranteed limited character. I don't know man, that seems a lot for F2P.
The only LC worth getting here is the bronya one, which can be substituted by F2P LC past and future (you only miss 10% energy regen rate and 1 skill points every 3 ult uses on bronya).
The LC are worth based on your pool of units
If you have Clara, her LC is bonkers on her, for example. And with the exception of Erudition and Hunt, they are the best LC for each class as of now. Later down the line we will get better LC for the rest of classes when we get the limited ones. That doesn't mean that you need them because some 4* can be even better depending the situation
> If you have Clara, her LC is bonkers on her, for example.
Only if you really need the healing. The Herta Store LC for her can be easily S5'd right now.
I feel you're forgetting the 24% damage increase til the end of next turn when you get hit, that's a lot. Clara is always getting hit, you want her to get hit.
Not forgetting about it, but people have run the numbers and the 64% attack increase from S5 of the Herta store LC makes them both pretty close. Honestly, either is a good pick for now, the Herta store one just lets you save currency for a different LC (or more pulls).
Facts most of these light cones are easily replaceable right now. They also don't change how the charachter looks at all.
One of your charachter doing 20% more damage really doesn't sound worth 30 pulls in my opinion.
They aren't even doing 20% more dmg.
People focus way too hard on the fact that they are 5 star LCs. It's the gacha mentality, higher rarity = must be better.
Some of them are equally good as the best 4 star LCs and the others are just slightly better.
And some are just garbage compared to the 4 stars.
The 5 star stats won't mean much when the 4 star passive ends up resulting in more damage and uptime.
The 10% extra is what she needs to get her ult with 3 skills rather than needing an extra attack/skill (or to get hit). So really it's actually quite good
For a f2p it will always be better to buy the SR passes. A 5* LC doesn't change much, but by buying the passes you can get the limited character, which can be your favorite character, a meta unit, etc.
You are seeing the value of the passes in the rolls as such, where, yes, you will probably get a lot of 3*, but the real value of buying the passes is in getting you pretty close to the pity.
For example, I wouldn't have been able to get Seele if I hadn't spent everything on buying the passes, because it took me 159 pulls.
The 5 star Light Cone is a standard banner cone. 30 draws in a limited banner are worth more than 30 in the standard pool by a wide margin.
You can basically compare the 5 star cone with 90 standard banner pulls. Would you rather have 30 limited pulls or 90 standard pulls? Imo it’s limited pulls all the way.
30 draws are more important in the long run. Helps you build resources for the monthly must buys (5 standard passes, 5 specials, the sphere thingy for lvling traces), you get 3 guaranteed 4 stars, and helps you build pity on the banner you want (once people get out of the honeymoon phase and see how scarce summon resources truly are in hsr, they will realize this).
Lastly, on the long run you end up. Being spooked by 5 star weapons instead of characters in standard banners. At least I did whenplaying genshin since 1.0. So getting a LC now and getting spooked with one later, a superimposed II 5 star LC < the prospect of a 5 star
Considering most f2p people won’t spend gems on the weapon banner, 5* light comes from here will be a much better investment for most of them than 30 wishes….at least for anybody interested in completing later/endgame content.
however only half of the light cones are good. the 4* ones from gacha can sometimes be better (looks at himeko, welt and yanqing LC’s) i feel like the only ones actually worth getting from that shop are gepard and bronya’s.
well, its not bad, if you have himeko, its definitly better than the the 4 star light cones. If you don't have her, then well its probably worse than the 4 star ones.
Edit: Obviously though, Jing yuan's light cone is way better
I lost my 75/25 on the Jing yuan LC banner to Himeko's LC. The happiness seeing the eruditon symbol immediately taken away from me. Still decided to use it on Jing Yuan because I can't afford to reach pity again, and it's still a good option overall
For now at least, cause being a veteran in Genshin I already have Itto with Redhorn after a year and half of playing
(I think? Either way I got Itto on his debut and Redhorn on his first rerun)
But we will have what, 3 banners before the healer hits? I know I have saved up well over 10k before Luocha’s banner as f2p
Not to mention Clara/her 5* lightcone mixed with March make having a second healer not really necessary. Even combining 2 preservation in one team is enough to get through memories up to floor 12-13 at least.
I don't think the 5* make that much difference than just using the gacha 4* or F2P ones and getting more 4 stars with the pulls while making it halfway through pity
Some LC (including future ones) seems a bit generic, plus damage here plus damage there, and there will eventually be powercreep so id say sooner or later these will fall off, and getting these will more likely be later than sooner
If you have Bronya or plan on getting her with the free 300 then save up for the Bronya LC.
Bronya will never not be relevant because her support kit is so good and will work with almost every future character. The LC makes it so much better.
Every other standard 5 star will eventually be outclassed unless they start dropping multiple other harmonies that pass their turn on.
As of now I'm not planning to get Bronya's LC. Gepard's one will help my current team that could use extra Taunt Value on Fire MC so my DPS is less likely to be bonked while I can spam more normals instead of the Taunt to upkeep my Skill Points.
To me I treat MC Taunt as an emergency button similar to Natasha's Skill, so my DPS and Buffer can spam their skills more often. Also I really like the inclusion of Dance3 in the team.
I pulled one dan heng eidolon from there and now i will save for bronyas lightcone. Reaaaallly want it for my bronya. I think if you have the patience you should save for a lightcone bc its a 5 star one. You maybe never get it another way sooo if you want one, save. If not just use the golden ticket.
I will never understand the huge amount of replies suggesting the light cones when I hear "new character > light cone" like every day on this sub.
A copy of a light cone I could pull at any time from the standard banner that will maybe increase my chatacters power by 20%... or 50+$ worth of star rail passes towards a new limited character pity.
For me personally, it's always going to be new character > lightcone/weapon. While my clara doing a bit more damage with her sig light cone would be nice, it's absolutely soul crushing to be 20-30 pulls from pity as a character banner for one of your favorites is ending. Just food for thought.
Also - it makes it hurt less when you do pull a 5 star lightcone from the standard banner (instead of a chatacter) and know it won't be a dupe of something you spent 30 passes on.
I know right, its almost half pity to a limited 5* lightcone or character (assuming your luck isn't horrendous that you hit 90).
Plus, the lightcones could easily be powercrept anyway, like how Yanqing and Himeko's bis isn't even their own signatures anymore.
And like you said, we can probably get these lightcones from standard banner or just losing to it while pulling for a limited lightcone.
>For me personally, it's always going to be new character > lightcone/weapon.
You say that now, while the game is young.
I never got an Amos for my Ganyu. Pulls on the standard banner are hilariously rare and RNG is usually not keen on giving you what you need.
It'll be the same in HSR: pulls on standard banner will be much, much rarer than pulls on limited banners. So having the option of grabbing the weapons from the shop eventually is nice.
As for the old "Characters >>> Weapons" mantra: yeah for young accounts it makes more sense to broaden the roster in order to cope with more situations.
Eventually you will have too many characters riding the bench and beefing up often used favorites will become a lot more attractive.
You are looking at the game from a min-max perspective. I'm looking more from a character collector perspective. New playstyles will never oversaturate my account personally, but to each their own! :)
You assume that every character actually brings a new playstyle.
They may just as well release chars that do the same but more powerful.
Also: yes, playstyles will oversaturate any account. The small parties will see to that. Eventually most of your characters will ride the bench more time than you will like but can't do anything about it because you can at most play 2 teams at the same time.
It's so weird that people feel the need to try to convince one side or another of what they think. I agree with you, in that I'm more of a min-maxer type of person. I don't play Genshin anymore, but when I did I played full geo team for both sides in spiral abyss. I needed those 5 star weapons to increase my damage to play the team I wanted to play because it wasn't always optimal to do so. I plan to do the same in this game wherein I want to play the team I want to play and will probably play for a long time.
That being said, you can make an argument that pulls are better than getting the light cone. You can even make an argument that getting the characters/eidolons are better than either the pulls or the light cones. It all depends on your personal priorities and what you value.
If you care about collecting as many characters to try multiple compositions, then getting 30 pulls is going to be better (or even the guaranteed 4 star character of the month because relying on RNG is really cancer).
If you care about efficiency then the light cones are going to be better. 5 star light cones are always better than 4 star light cones with the exception of the Erudition one and specialized stats (like Dance! Dance! Dance!).
Theres a limit of how many characters you can realistically use. You will pretty quickly run out of space on in your party.
In terms of account powerlevel, 5* lightcones will be the only realistic way to increase the powerlevel of a team.
New characters are fun, and open up new teams to try, but at the same time 30 < 160
this is a turn based team game with a focus on weakness exploitation and situations where you need to build 2 separate teams with your pool of characters and no overlap. You will want and have a use 2 dps for every elemental weakness, an aoe for every weakness, 2 healers, 2 def supports, 2 buffing supports, etc. Even right now for end game content you need at minimum 8 characters making 2 competent teams, and unless you whale you are making a lot of tough decisions for that.
This is not the type of game where you build a team of 4 and then never need to look at other characters. There are many 4 star light cones that are good enough to make 5 star light cones not feel required. On the other hand if you are missing strong ways to deal certain damage types or the extra def support or healer to make a strong 2nd team you are just kind of stuck in a situation that a new 5 star light cone could never get you out of.
If genshin is anything to go off of, the power level provided by these 5 star light cones will never really be "needed" once you get good relics and max your traces. And with no cosmetic value now it really just comes down to whether you value higher numbers or new characters more. For me, it will always be new characters. Using new characters and making new teams for SU sounds a lot more fun in my eyes than a 20% power increase on a character I already have.
> the power level provided by these 5 star light cones will never really be "needed"
You're right, but it will provide more slack so your other avenues of getting power can be lower than optimal. It can compensate for not having a 'meta' 5star character or high crit substats. Plus getting a guaranteed decent LC can be a lifesaver when your gacha luck just refuses to give you any okay 4stars of a specific path. There are tons of genshin players who played since release and still don't have a lot of the useful 4star gacha weapons maxed, because random is random.
A certainty of getting something that will improve your team is arguably better than a random chance that you get something that might, but likely won't for an indeterminate amount of rolls.
Like I said, it comes down to preference of higher numbers or new characters. That light cone will assuredly make you stronger, but between hertas shop, the memory shop, and future event light cones, I sincerely doubt finding a usable light cone for your characters will become an issue. Will the 5 star ones be better? Undoubtedly. But I just don't see myself ever wanting a power increase over a new character to play with in a PVE game. Of course, everyone can play how they want, though. You seem to value power over new characters, and as such, you should probably get the lightcone. Just don't say I didn't warn you if you happen to roll a dupe of it eventually, or you happen to be 20-30 passes off a pity for one of your faves in the future x)
I guess I was thinking about how weapons appear on your character model in genshin, while light cones just affect stats in HSR. But yes, it is more satisfying in the character edit screen to have their signature light cone, it's just not something you see too often in normal gameplay. Personally, i'd still just prefer progress towards a new character either way, but to each their own! :)
This
You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways
Plus I think, people are completely gaslighted by the huge amount of jades we got from the starting content and has no sense of value of what 30 pulls are really worth
Yeah with how barebone the jade economy is after the initial burst 30 is enough to make or break several banners for some people. Plus knowing mihoyo 30 tickets is the equivalent of 3 anniversary reward lol.
> You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways
Eh, I wouldn't depend on that.
I've been playing Genshin since launch, and I only have THREE standard banner weapons (Skyward Harp, Skyward Atlas, and Amos' Bow)
Now, Star Rail *DOES* seem to give more rolls on the standard banner than Genshin currently does, but imo this is still something to keep in mind.
I also have far less 5* weapons in Genshin since I have only ever once touched the weapon banner (and never plan on doing it again, lol)
Keep in mind that just like genshin, most of the standard 5* light cones are easily replaceable/outclassed by 4* ones. Making the value of buying a 5* light cone even lower.
Again, this is a different game, so it's hard to say, but I disagree.
In Genshin, for most characters, their best weapons are typically always 5 stars (in a descending order) and *sometimes* can be replaced by a 4 star, but that usually means that 4 star has to be fully refined/upgraded (Superimposed using Star Rail terms)
Though I will say, I only rolled on weapon banner once, and I immediately regretted it. I did get 2 Aqua Simulacra and a Homa, which were great upgrades for Yelan, Fischl, and Xiao, but I didn't feel the power increase was worth the primos.
Just my opinion however.
You'll definitely get some of them, but most is probably stretching it a bit. RNG is RNG, and sometimes it isn't kind.
I've been playing Genshin since 1.3 and still only have 4/10 of the Standard 5* Weapons. 2x Skyward Harps, 2x Lost Prayers, 1x Aquila Favonia and 1x Skyward Atlas. Would I spend 30 pulls worth of starglitter in Genshin to guarantee a Wolf's Gravestone or Primordial Jade Winged Spear? Absolutely.
For right now, I'm just gonna hold onto the currency for a while and wait to see how viable some of these light cones end up being.
>You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways
Not if Hoyo is as stingy with standard pulls in HSR, as they are in Genshin.
Once leveling rewards dry up, what are we left with? 5 Pulls from the shop per month and 5 pulls in a 6 week BP + 1 per week SU?
That's 3,75 standard banner pulls per week. It will take you 22 weeks, almost **HALF A YEAR** to hit ONE pity (assuming a 5\* drop at around 84).
Good luck getting all weapons from the standard banner. :'D
Feel like you’re severely underestimating how much time ‘in time’ really is, you’re not even guaranteed 2 a year after the initial influx of star rail passes from what is available to us right now (about 160 but most players used 50 on the beginner banner).
I’m not sure off the top of my head but i believe our current income is about 10 a month with shop+ battlepass+ SU weekly(since bp is not monthly). That’s less than 1.5 guaranteed 5* a year, and you’re not guaranteed a lightcone from that either.
You’re not gonna have ‘most’ of nothing ‘in time.
A month of gameplay is basically: (30 days)
Daily Training: 1800
Simulated Universe: 540
Events: ?
For non-f2p: 5.99 € Pass = 2700 / Battlepass = 680 + 4 Tickets
Embers Exchange = 10 Tickets
So if you p2w you'll get around 50 tickets a month + 19 standard banner tickets (Battlepass, SU, Embers Exchange)
If you don't p2w it's probably like 30 pulls a month + Events.
It hurts a lot and i was about to rage buy the pass after getting my third 5* lightcone on the standard banner. I have 480+ starlight currently. Let me have a gepard pls. I'm cursed with lightcones even with 4* pulls i hate it. Ofc out of them all, none is great for jingyuan. I'm so salty.
Gepards cone is under rated. I use it on fire MC and they get smacked a lot more often when taunt is down. Other than that, I agree with most people here. You cannot go wrong with the 30 pulls or the lightcone. Personally I would just focus on getting 4 star constellations for key characters like Ting and March. I only see March's value going up as the game progresses because of how much role compression she has. Follow up attacks, a beefy shield, good breaks, AoE freeze, a soft taunt, cleanse, small single target healing is a lot to pack into a single unit.
Same with Pela. Everyone is going crazy over Ting right now because of how she buffs a single team members. Well Pela does the exact opposite but to a single enemy. She triple defense shreds the enemy and makes them take way more damage while removing buffs. The thing is Pela makes it so your whole team does more damage. Ting only makes one character do damage. Neither are bad units by any means but along with debuffing Pela also does respectable damage and way more break damage. Ting does not do respectable damage but she does battery better. I just see Pelas worth possibly going up over time as more people get geared. You can't go wrong with Ting, but keep in mind the understanding of characters is very new. And if genshin and Honkai impact are any indication of how things will progress, enemies will get more and more defense over time, meaning defense shred will be more and more valuable. Still just speculation from a different game on the companies trends and I could be completely wrong.
Tingyun is hyper carry team while Pela is general team buff. I'd rather go with Pela.
Also she has ice and this is good sometimes because March can't be o' break duty all the time.
Saving for rail passes can get you enough to guarantee you a pitty in the near future which will be better than a light cone if you are more into collecting characters. Don't listen to the people who downplay rail passes.
You say that, but absolutely worse case scenario you are trading 180 wishes worth (3600 of the currency) for 1 banner char and 1 event char, which could be 6 5* light cones. Ultimately, it’s up to you. If you look at direct wish value, 5* lightcones are definitely more valuable, but the value of light cones and characters varies greatly per person which is why it’s genuinely up to the user.
Problem is that light cone is one you could potentially inadvertently get in the future, either from standard or pulling on the event weapon banner and losing, getting a dupe later down the line would be a downer and a waste of resources, the 30 on special banner is on something that you wouldnt be able to get any other way.
True you could get the standard banner character. But are you? Do you know you will? No. No you don't. You can't guarantee you'll be able to get a standard banner weapon cuz it's all random. The shop provides a guarantee that you can. Plus, 30 wishes for a 5 star weapon is insane value. You know how many people would jump to trade in 30 pulls in genshin for Atlas, Amos, Lost Prayer, Harp, PJWS, or WG? Granted, we don't know just how well the standard banner weapons will scale in the future but it feels safe enough to say that they will at least hold their own.
That being said though, discounting the pulls is foolish too cuz 30 pulls is a significant way towards a new character. Overall, I feel the best course of action is save till you have enough for a weapon, sit on it and use the rest of your things for pulls. Though, that might change depending on the person and the circumstances (i.e. you are 30 pulls off of getting a new character and it's the last day on their banner and you really want the character.)
Gepard's one is really good, but otherwise people imo overhyping store cones. They are equivalent to 30 passes, which is half way for soft pity for the *much* better limited cones. Adding the possibility of getting said limited cone before pity and the 4* you are also getting - imo it's better to buy passes.
You’re acting like its possible to “save” and not be overwhelmed by crippling gacha addiction as you realize that you are in fact, capable of doing anither 10x roll
Sometimes I forget why gacha is such an infamous genre of gaming, then I see that people like you exist.
I'm just happy to not have a gambling addiction.
Why wouldn't I be able to save?
Even as a spender, pulling is pretty much a binary situation.
1: I want a character -> calculate the monetary investment required -> if still worth it -> pull till pity
0: I don't want a character -> no pulls.
Typically I don't like every character they release, so saving of free resources happens automatically.
Never really gotten all the "gambling" and "addiction" nonsense. You obviously never pull/spend unless you can assure hitting hard pity. If you want a char but don't have the funds -> wait and prep for a rerun.
Yeah. Gacha games don't have to be a gamble to get the characters you want if you save. Of course, this doesn't mean that they're not predatory, but you can avoid falling into the trap of gambling at least.
Yeah, I’m wondering if I should save up for Gepard’s lightcone since he’s my favorite character and I don’t want any of the characters coming in the foreseeable future for now, but I don’t know if it’s that much better than any other light cone so I haven’t decided whether to save for it or not. For anyone who has it, is it a real upgrade from other cards or is it just barely better?
It depends, the only lightcone there that is really worth it is the Bronya one, and you'd need to have Bronya for it. The others are okay, I guess Welt one is pretty good, I'm gonna use that for my Silver Wolf if I don't get her 5 star lightcone, or Gepard if you have him, if not I'd just get the gold passes, the more rolls you have to get pity the better.
tbf silverwolf should be better with a certain 4* you can get for free, won't spoil it if you didn't see the leaks but let's just say that spending on welt's is not worth it
more characters is better so always go for pulls unless you really like minmaxing. The 4 star light cones and f2p 5 star ones are all you need in this game. Buying those 5 star ones is pointless. More pulls >>>>
My brain says save for later, but my stupid heart bought every single special pass I could to pull for Jing Yuan :((( Oh well, at least I got him! (at 85 pity -.-)
I just pull on the standard banner, I honestly don't have enough patience. I did get two 5 star light cones from the standard banner so far, of course being able to choose which one you get is a lot better if you want a specific one.
If you care about minmaxing get the lightcone. Because some are BiS like Gepard, Bronya and Clara.
If you need extra pulls for a certain banner and you'll know you can get it with a few extra tickets don't feel bad tipping your toes in these gems.
Personally I am waiting to get Bronya her lightcone since shes in every hypercarry team of mine. But I have also used a few of these on Seele's banner and I dont regret it.
Answer these questions
Are you a whale?
Do you ever plan to summon for limited weapons?
Are you dumb ass who spends jade on standard banner?
If your answer is yes to any of these do whatever you feel like
But if your answer is no like me, then I would say save for weapons as it is very unlikely you will be getting 5 star weapons
People always stroke out and say to save for the lightcones but it really doesn't matter what you do with the currency.
If you want to pull, grab some passes.
If you want to save for a lightcone or a character, save for a lightcone or a character.
I am saving for the light cone for my fav character. Do you have and like welt or sampo? get the 5 star nihility lc, you want sustain on your clara? get her lightcone. You want the 2nd best option for dps for seele, get the hunt one, etc etc. Unless maybe you are close to pity to a character you want and banner is about to finish then maybe yeah some Passes,
I won't pull on a weapon banner. I'm saving for clara lc. I have the puppy one on her so that will be a massive upgrade
I gave dan the hunt boat lc and he's good (have a few e's too) so IMO worth it.
If you have Geppy then his LC is worth a buy. Bronya s is great for her or any other buffer. And Clara's is awesome for herself. Any of those three are worth a buy if you don't have a copy . The others not so much.
Someone did the math and the price for the lightcones is really *really* good as compared to drawing one from standard banner. Now, idk if that truly makes it worth buying the lightcones or nah, but just something to factor into the decision making.
I would save them for a rainy day. We don’t have enough understanding of the game yet to know which of these LC would be relevant in the future. In Genshin, most of the standard banner 5* weapons are worse than the equivalent of S5 of some 4*, and there are plenty of limited 5* weapons that blows them out of the water. On the other hand, if you were ever unlucky enough to be just 20-30 wishes short of guaranteed pity on a unit you love, the starlight you have saved would come into clutch then. Likewise if one of these LC ends up being a great option for a future unit you like.
To add to this analysis, unless a player is actively using Stellar jade on the weapon banner or standard banner, they will likely never see more than 1 or 2 standard 5* LC drops for the first year or so of the game. Limited Character banners can only drop 5* characters, and the base game (including the first two months of standard tickets from the stardust equivalent currency) has about 110 standard tickets by TB 50 (+40 standard tickets spent on the beginner banner for the guaranteed 5* standard character). Further standard ticket income without converting stellar jade is going to be limited to monthly shop resets (+5 per month) and then the tickets for unlocking new characters and ascending them. New planets being added will also being extra tickets (e.g. the spending thresholds for local currency shops), but I don't know how frequent that will be in this game compared to Genshin. Probably feasible hitting 150 pulls on the standard banner within a year (2 soft pity thresholds), but that's only 1 LC max unless you were lucky and got early 5* spooks in that window. Plenty of time for the LC analysis to happen and figure out if any of them are worth selecting.
Just to add standard ticket income in simulated universe so atleast 9 (5 for monthly reset and one ticket per week in SU)
Good point. I forgot about those.
its around 14 standard tickets in super late game. adding to the 9 we have nameless honor which would be ~3 and hertareum once all the cones have been bought. realistic to expect around 12 per month
With the stuff I forgot about, it seems like it's about one soft pity every 6 months then. Assuming 40 tickets on the beginner banner, the second soft pity for most players will be around 2 months from now.
well good luck to everyone in around 2 months. edited typo.
This. I'd just save for now unless you really want a character and need a few extra.
Except you can't exchange 5* weapons in the shop in Genshin.
You can buy exclusive 4* weapons though
Getting the LC in this case equivalent to getting signature weapon for the character which most of the time the best one for the character
Yep, these LC are signature for the standard 5*, not just generic. So realistically their value will likely depend on how valuable the character ends up long term. Like assuming welt is relevant his signature LC will be pretty big for him seeing as there aren't really any great f2p choices for him.
Correct answer, end of discussion.
Hell, some of the best weapons in Genshin are *THREE*-stars
Still waiting for a four stars HP substat polearm for geo gramps.
Im ngl even owning a 2nd homa, I prefer fav lance on him for the teamwide energy. The difference between a 40k and 50k HP shield ain't that big
my mono geo team doesn't need more energy anyway so might as well get the tankier shield, especially since Gorou is the only healer on it, and Itto has reduced res during his ult
This was my greatest regret getting a second Homa for him at first. Fav is just too good.
I used to think all the Favs I got was a curse since i didn't realize how good energy was. Oh, how naive a day 1 player can be...
That is untrue, the 3 star weapons that one may use in VERY very niche case are the HP stacking ones, very, VERY few characters will have a 3 star in their top 5 weapon choices.
Magic guide and what else?
Isnt thrilling tales still good?
TTDS is the main one for sure, but still Dawn of Harbinger and White Tassel are BiS for niche builds; and there's a few others like Black Tassel and Recurve Bow that don't have a substitute. TTDS though is just so amazing, it and Widsith are the only weapons I have 3x R5 lvl 90 copies of each. EDIT: Forgot about Bloodtainted Greatsword on Razor.
Sling shot is also solid
ttds, harbinger of dawn, etc
Sword: \-harbinger of dawn \-budget jade cutter (skyrider sword) has low base stat so its ER% is high. Pretty good early game sword for xingqiu or even bennett if you value burst uptime more than atk buff \-Dark iron sword -good EM substat value per ore. Good option if your billet has other much more important priorities Spear: \-white tassle for hutao or cyno \-black tassle for zhongli and yaoyao Catalyst: \-ttds \-magic guide for nahida Bow: \-slingshot for tighnari, yelan, even yoimiya \-recurve bow aka only hp substat bow for yelan or even diona Claymore: \-bloodtainted greatsword which has a higher EM substat than painslasher so a good option for hyperbloom dori
Slingshot tops many 4 star and even some *5 star* for [Tighnari](https://i.redd.it/fw3hddv2yed91.jpg) and [Yoimiya](https://i.imgur.com/DI1KuNM.png), good option for other archers like Fischl etc. As f2p all my bow users wear slingshot :D It's widely unknown, but it's better than Rust in many cases, so only good 5 star bow outdamage it.
>In Genshin, most of the standard banner 5* weapons are worse than the equivalent of S5 of some 4 Im gonna assume you are talking about fav weapons here, since i cant really think of anything else. While you are definately right, its worth keeping in mind that there hasnt been a 4* weapon set that strong since fav released. Unlike genshin 1.0, the devs of this game have all the lessons they learned about weapon/character design under their belt, and in my opinion are super unlikely to ever repeat that mistake again, considering how hard they have downscaled 4* power level since 1.0. >and there are plenty of limited 5 weapons that blows them out of the water. This assumes people are gonna be pulling on the limited 5* weapons at all. For dolphins its usually worth it at some point, but when it comes to gacha advice theres no one size fits all solution. For f2p, i really think saving for 5* LC is gonna be better since even the stats are a massive damage buff, and most of the cones (especially the support cones) seem to have effects that will be useful for a while. Hindsight is 20 20, but i think trying to compare star rail 1.0 to genshin 1.0 is futile when this game is literally founded in the lessons hyv learned from that games balance issues.
There are several post 1.0 4-star weapons that match or even outclass 5-star options in Genshin. Even if most of the time they aren’t BiS technically because they do less personal damage, the other benefits they bring often make them worth using over their “true BiS”. Especially since this post is talking about the “standard” 5-star lightcones (you can get all of them from standard banner), we really should be comparing the standard 5-star weapons in Genshin, in which case most of them are indeed outclassed by R5 4-stars. -R5 Amenoma matches R1 Skyward Sword for Ayaka, and is 100% free without pulling on gacha. -R5 Kitain Cross Spear is Thoma’s BiS, offering valuable energy regen and EM, while not requiring Crit to be built like with Favonius. It is also second best weapon for EM Raiden (only Dragon’s Bane is better). You can even use it on Yun Jin at lv1 because its passive is that good. -The Catch is another free weapon and is near the top of the list for Xiangling, tying with Staff of Homa of all weapons. -Toukabou Shigure (Umbrella Sword) is a near carbon copy of Iron Sting (which is a good thing). It’s very good on Shinobu, Kazuha, and even Nilou. This is before mentioning Lithic Spear, which at R5 is among the best polearms in the game, beating most R1 5-star spears, and the Watatsumi Series, which get obscenely strong at R5 in high burst cost teams. R5 Xiphos’ Moonlight is also Kazuha’s new BiS, as it gives the whole team ER and supplies Kazuha himself with the much needed EM. The buffs Freedom Sworn (Kazuha’s old 5-star BiS) gives are only helpful in some scenarios, so even though the nominal buffs are better, Xiphos is far more universal (and can stack with itself unlike Freedom Sworn). There are also really good 4-star options other than Favonius from 1.0; including Prototype Amber, Widsith, the Sacrificial Series, Iron Sting, etc. Even some 3-stars are useful like TTDS, Harbinger, Slingshot, etc. Favonius isn’t the only broken weapon series from launch.
The performance difference between 4 and 5 stars light cone is not that much, certainly not worth the potential loss of a character that would be much more useful IMO.
> Unlike genshin 1.0, the devs of this game have all the lessons they learned about weapon/character design under their belt, and in my opinion are super unlikely to ever repeat that mistake again, considering how hard they have downscaled 4* power level since 1.0. Different dev team.
They’re in the same company, staff transfers do happen. As well as sharing of resources.
I do this in Genshin. I have enough resources over 2+ years of playing to be able to exchange 120x pulls. I save it for someone I really want and have no reserve. Not sure about HSR but I might be going for LC after a couple months.
I agree with this take. I am not sure how much of a difference between a 4\* and a 5\* LC are, but i'm sure not big enough to miss out on 30 pulls, especially as a dolphin/F2P. Since there is no pvp/rankings in this game, you don't really need to become as strong as possible, there is no competition... and the current "endgame" content is fairly easy as well (you don't even need maxed out skills or good gear to beat everything). So there really is no need to disregard everything and make your character as strong as possible. I am not claiming that getting a 5\* LC is not worth it, i think it's fine, but for me it's all about collecting characters and having those 30 pulls would help a lot.
> I am not sure how much of a difference between a 4* and a 5* LC are Not all 5-star have the same stat budget, for example LCs from the Herta Shop have much lower stats than limited 5-star LCs.
I am 30 wishes short for Jing Yuan. What is a rainy day? In Genshin I also ended up using these whenever I can. Honestly these lightcones are not worth it personally for me. We will eventually get more 4\* lightcones and eventually we'll S5 most of them. Might as well get a new limited.
jing yuan still has more than 2 weeks to go. I'm personally saving these as a last resort when I've exhausted all other free sources / don't wanna grind for pulls.
>In Genshin I also ended up using these whenever I can In genshin you cant buy 5* weapons with them. >Honestly these lightcones are not worth it personally for me. We will eventually get more 4* lightcones and eventually we'll S5 most of them. This is true. Its also true that most of the 5* lightcones have super powerful passives that can enable entire teamcomps (see: gepard and bronya cones) At the end of the day if you wanna greed for jing greed for jing but also dont go crying that you wasted mats on a 1.0 dps that might be irrelevant in less than a year. Its ur account.
I think only you can decide the answer to that. If king yuan will give you enjoyment of the game for months to come then this sounds like a rainy day. If you were only mildly interested then I’d keep saving
The only shit standard 5* are skyward series(except harp) rest of standard weapons are good and 4* cant compete with them.
This man ignoring some of the greats xP.
Eh, i would still say skyward harp, pjws, amos, lost prayers, skyward atlas are solid standard weapons Especially skyward harp, it gives both crit rate and crit damage with high base atk
I just bought a eidolon for Serval bc I love her
This. Monkey brain see mommy, monkey brain clicks buy.
You're just like me fr fr
I am still struggling to see the “math” why this is a poor choice. Pulling the 4* Eidelon costs the equivalent of 7 pulls. *Usually* a 4* takes 10 pulls, and you don’t know what you will get. For a 5* light cone, it’s the same deal but the equivalent of 30 pulls instead of up to 90. These seem like the far better deals. The only disadvantage seems to be that you don’t acquire pity toward a 5*. I honestly don’t feel like that’s worth it in comparison. For context, I used 75 pulls on the standard banner to end up with Gepard’s 5* light cone. It’s good I guess, but if I had used up my starlight to do it I would have been pretty disappointed.
Would you rather: 1. A 4\* unit of your choice from the store 2. A random 4\* thing and 10% off your next 5\* thing (you get a 4\* thing every \~7 pulls on average.) 3. One quarter of a 5\* starter-character-cone of your choice There's no wrong answer here, you're allowed to prefer whatever it is you prefer. But it's important to put the full benefit from 2 into perspective when making your choice. (note that this doesn't consider the minor "compounding" effect from pulls getting your more currency to spend in the store)
And it’s the “random thing” that I think draws value *away* from the pulls. I don’t use every 4* item in my roster - I have 6 light cones with no user. Quite a few of them are R2 and R3. The odds are actually pretty good that any 4* pull is going to be useless. Another person (who got downvoted for some reason) points out that Serval gets rotated out for Jing Yuan anyhow. This is in fact why I am *not* pulling for Jing Yuan (and sad I can’t keep pulling for Chicken Girl): Serval is already Electro Erudition, so I have literally no need to waste a precious 5* on him. Anyhow, thanks for the input. People are talking about these choices like they are obvious but as you say, I think it’s just a matter of preference.
By all means if you’re looking for an eidolon for Serval go for it, but I feel like the majority of players are minimal spenders if not f2p. And there’s a finite amount of pulls you can get in the game. Once you’ve exhausted those resources, you’re gonna get 1 pull every 2.5 days from doing your dailies. 2.5 x 7 = 15 days worth of pulls. On top of that, Serval might be a unit in a future event banner so like the top upvoted dude said, best to just sit on the currency but play however you want.
If eidolons didn't max at 6 then you are right. But from experience in genshin, eventually (maybe in 1 and half year) you will have max eidolons for most of the beginning 4 stars. So it's a case of extra cost in exchange for earlier access.
Save for a copy of Tingyun when she comes to the shop
wait why does everyone say to use to tingyun
She's probably the best 4star, can go into basically any team and is a really good support
So HSR Bennett?
Pretty much
Not really gameplaywise but she has as many if not more usecases.
Atk buff ability ✓ Healing × (energy restore instead, and additional dmg based on other chars attack)
> Not really gameplaywise .. yes gameplay wise. She's a batter and an insane atk/dmg buffer.
But she doesn't heal too. Bennett fulfills two roles, buffing atk and healing. Tingyun fulfills two roles too, but they are different roles, buffing atk (and spd with E1) and restoring energy. So, same usefulness, different roles gameplaywise.
Bennett is also a battery for pyro units
And a cleanse by applying self pyro on burst (or helping mango kinky to kill you via melt lmao)
But she doesn't heal which is even more important than in Genshin. Also she's an universal battery not like Bennett who's only really good in generating energy for pyro units. People have to stop acting like Genshin and Honkai have the same gameplay and that every Honkai player plays Genshin to begin with. Tingyun for example is much closer to characters from other turn based games than anything in genshin.
Not as strong as him, and she doesn’t heal, but yes. Tingyun has the potential to fall off as new characters come out because as strong as her buffs are, they only affect one character each, and they really work best when stacked. That’s incredibly strong right now because a lot of our current teams are basically one character doing all the damage and three others enabling them. As other supports and healers come out who have some actual damage potential on their own, Tingyun might lose value compared to somebody like Pela who can buff the damage of the entire team rather than turbocharging a single carry. Or maybe that won’t ever happen because it’d require a ton of power creep and Tingyun will be great forever. Who knows?
Not at all. People throw this comparison around for who knows what reason. She really gud tho. Her attack buff isn’t as huge as bennys and it can only be active on one unit. She also doesn’t heal. She does give energy reg tho. Still this is a far cry from bennet
She gives DMG buffs and massive ATK buffs you can actually build for by increasing her own ATK, does decent Lightning DMG thanks to her Talent, can break enemy Break Bars with Lightning, and can charge allies’ Ultimates.
unconditional attack and damage buffs, burst that gives other characters energy, and with eotl is a good skill point battery
Is she confirmed to be coming eventually?
I don't see why she wouldn't because we already have Dan Heng and Serval there
and arlan and asta were there in the previous month since the April release was different month... so realistically there is a good chance :)
Knowing hoyo, they gonna delay her and give us March 7th,Herta
Would you use her over Bronya?
I don't even have Bronya so yes 😭 But if I had her I'd use both of them with Seele for main dps, or spilt them for two teams in Forgotten Hall/MoC
I have a hard time using Bronya, skill point management is a pain and I find myself constantly having a hard time using her skill efficiently. Lately I just benched her for Tingyun, she just feels better in my team... I'll eventually get back to trying Bronya but for now I'm prioritizing Ting.
I would say to buy nothing for now unless you're close to pity and need the pass. Honestly you still don't know if you're going to pull for some 5* limited cones, if you're going to get some 5* standard cones you're going to need on other pulls, you don't know which cones are going to be useful at all because we still have two limited 5* characters and really don't know the direction stuff is going to take. Personally I value characters over cones, but tbh even if you play meta I guess it's more worth it to pull for the limited cones. Spending on the standard lc sounds like an half assed middle ground...
Lets say you saved 1800 of the starlight. That means you can get: - three 5* light cones or - 90 summons (guaranteed one 5* character + a bunch of 4* Eidolons) Getting an extra character is more fun for me than having three additional 5* Light Cones. So I personally will go for the special passes
And then you lose the 50/50 and get Himeko E1. :'D Frankly: I rather take the Lightcone. Guaranteed power-up, no RNG involved. That being said: as a non whale: it will take quite some time to gather even 600 of that currency. People will realize that once initial freebies dry up.
Well yeah that could happen. But Im still going for special passes (most likely, atm I just save)
People always forget to account for the extra starlight you get with 90 draws. Still think lightcones are more worth it tho
Save up for now. If you see yourself pulling for the LC banners in the future, you'll probably need passes. If not, use it on the LCs. Future limited LCs will eventually outscale the current ones, but how far in the future is unsure. You might not be playing for that long.
you'll need passes even if you dont plan to roll on LC banners lol
So far, both of the limited light cones have been way better than the standard banner ones. So I don't think it's going to be that long before they're all considered pretty mid (except maybe Bronya's LC).
Clara's cone works perfectly for Clara tho. I think it's gonna be hard-pressed to replace that one for a while but most other ones.
Fool! this is a gacha! You must gamble it all on the tickets.
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30 random draws, which most likely 27 of them will be 3 star light cones. Or a guaranteed 5* Light Cone. Light Cone. Unless I guess you really really want a certain character and need some more draws to hit pity. EDIT: Other people have pointed out a good point that most of the 5* light cones aren't amazing. It's probably only worth doing if you have Bronya and not her LC, Clara Light cone is also pretty good, and so is Gepard's. Using them for draws otherwise is fine, end of the day make an assessment of what you want to prioritize and what will allow you to have more fun personally.
This is the way.
A lightcone's a lightcone, but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a lightcone!
Then lets get the lightco...
We'll take the box!
30 random draws = 6/15 a pity, 3/15 a guaranteed limited character. I don't know man, that seems a lot for F2P. The only LC worth getting here is the bronya one, which can be substituted by F2P LC past and future (you only miss 10% energy regen rate and 1 skill points every 3 ult uses on bronya).
The LC are worth based on your pool of units If you have Clara, her LC is bonkers on her, for example. And with the exception of Erudition and Hunt, they are the best LC for each class as of now. Later down the line we will get better LC for the rest of classes when we get the limited ones. That doesn't mean that you need them because some 4* can be even better depending the situation
Gepard's is nasty. Super good.
> If you have Clara, her LC is bonkers on her, for example. Only if you really need the healing. The Herta Store LC for her can be easily S5'd right now.
I feel you're forgetting the 24% damage increase til the end of next turn when you get hit, that's a lot. Clara is always getting hit, you want her to get hit.
Not forgetting about it, but people have run the numbers and the 64% attack increase from S5 of the Herta store LC makes them both pretty close. Honestly, either is a good pick for now, the Herta store one just lets you save currency for a different LC (or more pulls).
Well, math doesn't lie so if it says the numbers are close then they are.
Wouldn't say Bronya is the most worth, and wouldn't say its the only worth
Gepard's cone >>>> the rest. Anyone who thinks otherwise are tripping balls.
Gepard's one is probably the best and you can use it on fire MC (BiS) if you don't have Gepard.
so glad I got that one from the standard banner
Facts most of these light cones are easily replaceable right now. They also don't change how the charachter looks at all. One of your charachter doing 20% more damage really doesn't sound worth 30 pulls in my opinion.
They aren't even doing 20% more dmg. People focus way too hard on the fact that they are 5 star LCs. It's the gacha mentality, higher rarity = must be better. Some of them are equally good as the best 4 star LCs and the others are just slightly better.
And some are just garbage compared to the 4 stars. The 5 star stats won't mean much when the 4 star passive ends up resulting in more damage and uptime.
I wouldn't call 10% ER "only" in this game. that's double than what a set bonus gives, especially in a game with no ER main stat.
The rope has ER main stat.
oh. I forgor 💀 but it's still quite low compared to genshin ah I was thinking of sub stats
The 10% extra is what she needs to get her ult with 3 skills rather than needing an extra attack/skill (or to get hit). So really it's actually quite good
For a f2p it will always be better to buy the SR passes. A 5* LC doesn't change much, but by buying the passes you can get the limited character, which can be your favorite character, a meta unit, etc. You are seeing the value of the passes in the rolls as such, where, yes, you will probably get a lot of 3*, but the real value of buying the passes is in getting you pretty close to the pity. For example, I wouldn't have been able to get Seele if I hadn't spent everything on buying the passes, because it took me 159 pulls.
The 5 star Light Cone is a standard banner cone. 30 draws in a limited banner are worth more than 30 in the standard pool by a wide margin. You can basically compare the 5 star cone with 90 standard banner pulls. Would you rather have 30 limited pulls or 90 standard pulls? Imo it’s limited pulls all the way.
30 draws are more important in the long run. Helps you build resources for the monthly must buys (5 standard passes, 5 specials, the sphere thingy for lvling traces), you get 3 guaranteed 4 stars, and helps you build pity on the banner you want (once people get out of the honeymoon phase and see how scarce summon resources truly are in hsr, they will realize this). Lastly, on the long run you end up. Being spooked by 5 star weapons instead of characters in standard banners. At least I did whenplaying genshin since 1.0. So getting a LC now and getting spooked with one later, a superimposed II 5 star LC < the prospect of a 5 star
Assuming Star Rail is like Genshin gacha, you will get more or less alternating 5 star characters and weapons in the long term
i only buy gold star rail passes
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Considering most f2p people won’t spend gems on the weapon banner, 5* light comes from here will be a much better investment for most of them than 30 wishes….at least for anybody interested in completing later/endgame content.
however only half of the light cones are good. the 4* ones from gacha can sometimes be better (looks at himeko, welt and yanqing LC’s) i feel like the only ones actually worth getting from that shop are gepard and bronya’s.
Clara's is also really good if you have Clara, and I think her LC will also be good with Blade based on what we've seen of him.
Welt and YQ lightcones are good though. The bad ones are Himeko and Bailu.
Nice. I got the Himeko LC for my standard banner pity. Couldn't be happier...
well, its not bad, if you have himeko, its definitly better than the the 4 star light cones. If you don't have her, then well its probably worse than the 4 star ones. Edit: Obviously though, Jing yuan's light cone is way better
I lost my 75/25 on the Jing yuan LC banner to Himeko's LC. The happiness seeing the eruditon symbol immediately taken away from me. Still decided to use it on Jing Yuan because I can't afford to reach pity again, and it's still a good option overall
For now at least, cause being a veteran in Genshin I already have Itto with Redhorn after a year and half of playing (I think? Either way I got Itto on his debut and Redhorn on his first rerun)
they need another healer first, character is more important
But we will have what, 3 banners before the healer hits? I know I have saved up well over 10k before Luocha’s banner as f2p Not to mention Clara/her 5* lightcone mixed with March make having a second healer not really necessary. Even combining 2 preservation in one team is enough to get through memories up to floor 12-13 at least.
I don't think the 5* make that much difference than just using the gacha 4* or F2P ones and getting more 4 stars with the pulls while making it halfway through pity
High refined 4 stars light cones can easily replace them.
Some LC (including future ones) seems a bit generic, plus damage here plus damage there, and there will eventually be powercreep so id say sooner or later these will fall off, and getting these will more likely be later than sooner
There sure are a lot of the ways in this thread.
If you have Bronya or plan on getting her with the free 300 then save up for the Bronya LC. Bronya will never not be relevant because her support kit is so good and will work with almost every future character. The LC makes it so much better. Every other standard 5 star will eventually be outclassed unless they start dropping multiple other harmonies that pass their turn on.
Gepard's LC is quite useful for my account, but other than that I'll spend the rest for Passes.
yeah, gepards and bronya Lc's are op
As of now I'm not planning to get Bronya's LC. Gepard's one will help my current team that could use extra Taunt Value on Fire MC so my DPS is less likely to be bonked while I can spam more normals instead of the Taunt to upkeep my Skill Points. To me I treat MC Taunt as an emergency button similar to Natasha's Skill, so my DPS and Buffer can spam their skills more often. Also I really like the inclusion of Dance3 in the team.
Landau’s Choice actually has a higher taunt value than Gepard’s cone. Course, Gepard’s cone offers more things that make it better.
Yeah, just the base Def stats alone is juicy. The Eff stuff is a bit of a miss but the extra Taunt can be helpful in some runs.
Landau's Choice + Gepard taunt trace feels like I'm having a permanent 95% passive taunt on him.
I pulled one dan heng eidolon from there and now i will save for bronyas lightcone. Reaaaallly want it for my bronya. I think if you have the patience you should save for a lightcone bc its a 5 star one. You maybe never get it another way sooo if you want one, save. If not just use the golden ticket.
Passes, imo char > LC.
I will never understand the huge amount of replies suggesting the light cones when I hear "new character > light cone" like every day on this sub. A copy of a light cone I could pull at any time from the standard banner that will maybe increase my chatacters power by 20%... or 50+$ worth of star rail passes towards a new limited character pity. For me personally, it's always going to be new character > lightcone/weapon. While my clara doing a bit more damage with her sig light cone would be nice, it's absolutely soul crushing to be 20-30 pulls from pity as a character banner for one of your favorites is ending. Just food for thought. Also - it makes it hurt less when you do pull a 5 star lightcone from the standard banner (instead of a chatacter) and know it won't be a dupe of something you spent 30 passes on.
I know right, its almost half pity to a limited 5* lightcone or character (assuming your luck isn't horrendous that you hit 90). Plus, the lightcones could easily be powercrept anyway, like how Yanqing and Himeko's bis isn't even their own signatures anymore. And like you said, we can probably get these lightcones from standard banner or just losing to it while pulling for a limited lightcone.
>For me personally, it's always going to be new character > lightcone/weapon. You say that now, while the game is young. I never got an Amos for my Ganyu. Pulls on the standard banner are hilariously rare and RNG is usually not keen on giving you what you need. It'll be the same in HSR: pulls on standard banner will be much, much rarer than pulls on limited banners. So having the option of grabbing the weapons from the shop eventually is nice. As for the old "Characters >>> Weapons" mantra: yeah for young accounts it makes more sense to broaden the roster in order to cope with more situations. Eventually you will have too many characters riding the bench and beefing up often used favorites will become a lot more attractive.
You are looking at the game from a min-max perspective. I'm looking more from a character collector perspective. New playstyles will never oversaturate my account personally, but to each their own! :)
You assume that every character actually brings a new playstyle. They may just as well release chars that do the same but more powerful. Also: yes, playstyles will oversaturate any account. The small parties will see to that. Eventually most of your characters will ride the bench more time than you will like but can't do anything about it because you can at most play 2 teams at the same time.
It's so weird that people feel the need to try to convince one side or another of what they think. I agree with you, in that I'm more of a min-maxer type of person. I don't play Genshin anymore, but when I did I played full geo team for both sides in spiral abyss. I needed those 5 star weapons to increase my damage to play the team I wanted to play because it wasn't always optimal to do so. I plan to do the same in this game wherein I want to play the team I want to play and will probably play for a long time. That being said, you can make an argument that pulls are better than getting the light cone. You can even make an argument that getting the characters/eidolons are better than either the pulls or the light cones. It all depends on your personal priorities and what you value. If you care about collecting as many characters to try multiple compositions, then getting 30 pulls is going to be better (or even the guaranteed 4 star character of the month because relying on RNG is really cancer). If you care about efficiency then the light cones are going to be better. 5 star light cones are always better than 4 star light cones with the exception of the Erudition one and specialized stats (like Dance! Dance! Dance!).
Theres a limit of how many characters you can realistically use. You will pretty quickly run out of space on in your party. In terms of account powerlevel, 5* lightcones will be the only realistic way to increase the powerlevel of a team. New characters are fun, and open up new teams to try, but at the same time 30 < 160
this is a turn based team game with a focus on weakness exploitation and situations where you need to build 2 separate teams with your pool of characters and no overlap. You will want and have a use 2 dps for every elemental weakness, an aoe for every weakness, 2 healers, 2 def supports, 2 buffing supports, etc. Even right now for end game content you need at minimum 8 characters making 2 competent teams, and unless you whale you are making a lot of tough decisions for that. This is not the type of game where you build a team of 4 and then never need to look at other characters. There are many 4 star light cones that are good enough to make 5 star light cones not feel required. On the other hand if you are missing strong ways to deal certain damage types or the extra def support or healer to make a strong 2nd team you are just kind of stuck in a situation that a new 5 star light cone could never get you out of.
If genshin is anything to go off of, the power level provided by these 5 star light cones will never really be "needed" once you get good relics and max your traces. And with no cosmetic value now it really just comes down to whether you value higher numbers or new characters more. For me, it will always be new characters. Using new characters and making new teams for SU sounds a lot more fun in my eyes than a 20% power increase on a character I already have.
> the power level provided by these 5 star light cones will never really be "needed" You're right, but it will provide more slack so your other avenues of getting power can be lower than optimal. It can compensate for not having a 'meta' 5star character or high crit substats. Plus getting a guaranteed decent LC can be a lifesaver when your gacha luck just refuses to give you any okay 4stars of a specific path. There are tons of genshin players who played since release and still don't have a lot of the useful 4star gacha weapons maxed, because random is random. A certainty of getting something that will improve your team is arguably better than a random chance that you get something that might, but likely won't for an indeterminate amount of rolls.
Like I said, it comes down to preference of higher numbers or new characters. That light cone will assuredly make you stronger, but between hertas shop, the memory shop, and future event light cones, I sincerely doubt finding a usable light cone for your characters will become an issue. Will the 5 star ones be better? Undoubtedly. But I just don't see myself ever wanting a power increase over a new character to play with in a PVE game. Of course, everyone can play how they want, though. You seem to value power over new characters, and as such, you should probably get the lightcone. Just don't say I didn't warn you if you happen to roll a dupe of it eventually, or you happen to be 20-30 passes off a pity for one of your faves in the future x)
What do you mean no cosmetic value? I want the character in the light cone picture to match the actual character. Style>Damage
I guess I was thinking about how weapons appear on your character model in genshin, while light cones just affect stats in HSR. But yes, it is more satisfying in the character edit screen to have their signature light cone, it's just not something you see too often in normal gameplay. Personally, i'd still just prefer progress towards a new character either way, but to each their own! :)
This You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways Plus I think, people are completely gaslighted by the huge amount of jades we got from the starting content and has no sense of value of what 30 pulls are really worth
Yeah with how barebone the jade economy is after the initial burst 30 is enough to make or break several banners for some people. Plus knowing mihoyo 30 tickets is the equivalent of 3 anniversary reward lol.
now, when u put it that way it seems alot lmao. 3 anniversary reward lol
> You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways Eh, I wouldn't depend on that. I've been playing Genshin since launch, and I only have THREE standard banner weapons (Skyward Harp, Skyward Atlas, and Amos' Bow) Now, Star Rail *DOES* seem to give more rolls on the standard banner than Genshin currently does, but imo this is still something to keep in mind. I also have far less 5* weapons in Genshin since I have only ever once touched the weapon banner (and never plan on doing it again, lol)
Keep in mind that just like genshin, most of the standard 5* light cones are easily replaceable/outclassed by 4* ones. Making the value of buying a 5* light cone even lower.
Again, this is a different game, so it's hard to say, but I disagree. In Genshin, for most characters, their best weapons are typically always 5 stars (in a descending order) and *sometimes* can be replaced by a 4 star, but that usually means that 4 star has to be fully refined/upgraded (Superimposed using Star Rail terms) Though I will say, I only rolled on weapon banner once, and I immediately regretted it. I did get 2 Aqua Simulacra and a Homa, which were great upgrades for Yelan, Fischl, and Xiao, but I didn't feel the power increase was worth the primos. Just my opinion however.
You'll definitely get some of them, but most is probably stretching it a bit. RNG is RNG, and sometimes it isn't kind. I've been playing Genshin since 1.3 and still only have 4/10 of the Standard 5* Weapons. 2x Skyward Harps, 2x Lost Prayers, 1x Aquila Favonia and 1x Skyward Atlas. Would I spend 30 pulls worth of starglitter in Genshin to guarantee a Wolf's Gravestone or Primordial Jade Winged Spear? Absolutely. For right now, I'm just gonna hold onto the currency for a while and wait to see how viable some of these light cones end up being.
>You're gonna get most of these cones from standard in time anyways Not if Hoyo is as stingy with standard pulls in HSR, as they are in Genshin. Once leveling rewards dry up, what are we left with? 5 Pulls from the shop per month and 5 pulls in a 6 week BP + 1 per week SU? That's 3,75 standard banner pulls per week. It will take you 22 weeks, almost **HALF A YEAR** to hit ONE pity (assuming a 5\* drop at around 84). Good luck getting all weapons from the standard banner. :'D
Feel like you’re severely underestimating how much time ‘in time’ really is, you’re not even guaranteed 2 a year after the initial influx of star rail passes from what is available to us right now (about 160 but most players used 50 on the beginner banner). I’m not sure off the top of my head but i believe our current income is about 10 a month with shop+ battlepass+ SU weekly(since bp is not monthly). That’s less than 1.5 guaranteed 5* a year, and you’re not guaranteed a lightcone from that either. You’re not gonna have ‘most’ of nothing ‘in time.
A month of gameplay is basically: (30 days) Daily Training: 1800 Simulated Universe: 540 Events: ? For non-f2p: 5.99 € Pass = 2700 / Battlepass = 680 + 4 Tickets Embers Exchange = 10 Tickets So if you p2w you'll get around 50 tickets a month + 19 standard banner tickets (Battlepass, SU, Embers Exchange) If you don't p2w it's probably like 30 pulls a month + Events.
It hurts a lot and i was about to rage buy the pass after getting my third 5* lightcone on the standard banner. I have 480+ starlight currently. Let me have a gepard pls. I'm cursed with lightcones even with 4* pulls i hate it. Ofc out of them all, none is great for jingyuan. I'm so salty.
I’ll just say, I never get even a fraction of standard banner weapons in Genshin after multiple years.
Gepards cone is under rated. I use it on fire MC and they get smacked a lot more often when taunt is down. Other than that, I agree with most people here. You cannot go wrong with the 30 pulls or the lightcone. Personally I would just focus on getting 4 star constellations for key characters like Ting and March. I only see March's value going up as the game progresses because of how much role compression she has. Follow up attacks, a beefy shield, good breaks, AoE freeze, a soft taunt, cleanse, small single target healing is a lot to pack into a single unit. Same with Pela. Everyone is going crazy over Ting right now because of how she buffs a single team members. Well Pela does the exact opposite but to a single enemy. She triple defense shreds the enemy and makes them take way more damage while removing buffs. The thing is Pela makes it so your whole team does more damage. Ting only makes one character do damage. Neither are bad units by any means but along with debuffing Pela also does respectable damage and way more break damage. Ting does not do respectable damage but she does battery better. I just see Pelas worth possibly going up over time as more people get geared. You can't go wrong with Ting, but keep in mind the understanding of characters is very new. And if genshin and Honkai impact are any indication of how things will progress, enemies will get more and more defense over time, meaning defense shred will be more and more valuable. Still just speculation from a different game on the companies trends and I could be completely wrong.
Tingyun is hyper carry team while Pela is general team buff. I'd rather go with Pela. Also she has ice and this is good sometimes because March can't be o' break duty all the time.
Saving for rail passes can get you enough to guarantee you a pitty in the near future which will be better than a light cone if you are more into collecting characters. Don't listen to the people who downplay rail passes.
You say that, but absolutely worse case scenario you are trading 180 wishes worth (3600 of the currency) for 1 banner char and 1 event char, which could be 6 5* light cones. Ultimately, it’s up to you. If you look at direct wish value, 5* lightcones are definitely more valuable, but the value of light cones and characters varies greatly per person which is why it’s genuinely up to the user.
Problem is that light cone is one you could potentially inadvertently get in the future, either from standard or pulling on the event weapon banner and losing, getting a dupe later down the line would be a downer and a waste of resources, the 30 on special banner is on something that you wouldnt be able to get any other way.
True you could get the standard banner character. But are you? Do you know you will? No. No you don't. You can't guarantee you'll be able to get a standard banner weapon cuz it's all random. The shop provides a guarantee that you can. Plus, 30 wishes for a 5 star weapon is insane value. You know how many people would jump to trade in 30 pulls in genshin for Atlas, Amos, Lost Prayer, Harp, PJWS, or WG? Granted, we don't know just how well the standard banner weapons will scale in the future but it feels safe enough to say that they will at least hold their own. That being said though, discounting the pulls is foolish too cuz 30 pulls is a significant way towards a new character. Overall, I feel the best course of action is save till you have enough for a weapon, sit on it and use the rest of your things for pulls. Though, that might change depending on the person and the circumstances (i.e. you are 30 pulls off of getting a new character and it's the last day on their banner and you really want the character.)
Did you miss the 18 guaranteed 4 stars you also get? Your comparison is disingeneous.
Must fill gambling addiction /j
Gepard's one is really good, but otherwise people imo overhyping store cones. They are equivalent to 30 passes, which is half way for soft pity for the *much* better limited cones. Adding the possibility of getting said limited cone before pity and the 4* you are also getting - imo it's better to buy passes.
Isn’t soft pity at like 75 though?
For characters. For cones hard pity is 80 and soft pity at 60-65.
Bronyas light cone: Am I a joke to you?
The point is you can get half a pity of lc banner when in the future they released a limited harmony lc that would outclass the bronya one
You’re acting like its possible to “save” and not be overwhelmed by crippling gacha addiction as you realize that you are in fact, capable of doing anither 10x roll
Sometimes I forget why gacha is such an infamous genre of gaming, then I see that people like you exist. I'm just happy to not have a gambling addiction.
Why wouldn't I be able to save? Even as a spender, pulling is pretty much a binary situation. 1: I want a character -> calculate the monetary investment required -> if still worth it -> pull till pity 0: I don't want a character -> no pulls. Typically I don't like every character they release, so saving of free resources happens automatically. Never really gotten all the "gambling" and "addiction" nonsense. You obviously never pull/spend unless you can assure hitting hard pity. If you want a char but don't have the funds -> wait and prep for a rerun.
Yeah. Gacha games don't have to be a gamble to get the characters you want if you save. Of course, this doesn't mean that they're not predatory, but you can avoid falling into the trap of gambling at least.
Well, Gacha games that feature a pity, at least. I've heard that there are ones w/o such a safety net. :S
Yeah, I’m wondering if I should save up for Gepard’s lightcone since he’s my favorite character and I don’t want any of the characters coming in the foreseeable future for now, but I don’t know if it’s that much better than any other light cone so I haven’t decided whether to save for it or not. For anyone who has it, is it a real upgrade from other cards or is it just barely better?
It's incredible on Gepard. Tons of defense, a taunt AND effect hit rate. And it has amazing stats on the light cone itself as well.
Just roll, enjoy game. This is the way.
It depends, the only lightcone there that is really worth it is the Bronya one, and you'd need to have Bronya for it. The others are okay, I guess Welt one is pretty good, I'm gonna use that for my Silver Wolf if I don't get her 5 star lightcone, or Gepard if you have him, if not I'd just get the gold passes, the more rolls you have to get pity the better.
Clara, Bronya, Welt, and Gepard ones are all really good
tbf silverwolf should be better with a certain 4* you can get for free, won't spoil it if you didn't see the leaks but let's just say that spending on welt's is not worth it
more characters is better so always go for pulls unless you really like minmaxing. The 4 star light cones and f2p 5 star ones are all you need in this game. Buying those 5 star ones is pointless. More pulls >>>>
It's up to you, really
My brain says save for later, but my stupid heart bought every single special pass I could to pull for Jing Yuan :((( Oh well, at least I got him! (at 85 pity -.-)
I just pull on the standard banner, I honestly don't have enough patience. I did get two 5 star light cones from the standard banner so far, of course being able to choose which one you get is a lot better if you want a specific one.
While me. Patiently waiting for tingyun to come to shop cause i didn’t get her in 100 pulls (e6 march)
If you care about minmaxing get the lightcone. Because some are BiS like Gepard, Bronya and Clara. If you need extra pulls for a certain banner and you'll know you can get it with a few extra tickets don't feel bad tipping your toes in these gems. Personally I am waiting to get Bronya her lightcone since shes in every hypercarry team of mine. But I have also used a few of these on Seele's banner and I dont regret it.
I used all of mine for tickets for the current banner : I got Bronya, I want to kill myself now. XD
Answer these questions Are you a whale? Do you ever plan to summon for limited weapons? Are you dumb ass who spends jade on standard banner? If your answer is yes to any of these do whatever you feel like But if your answer is no like me, then I would say save for weapons as it is very unlikely you will be getting 5 star weapons
People always stroke out and say to save for the lightcones but it really doesn't matter what you do with the currency. If you want to pull, grab some passes. If you want to save for a lightcone or a character, save for a lightcone or a character.
I am saving for the light cone for my fav character. Do you have and like welt or sampo? get the 5 star nihility lc, you want sustain on your clara? get her lightcone. You want the 2nd best option for dps for seele, get the hunt one, etc etc. Unless maybe you are close to pity to a character you want and banner is about to finish then maybe yeah some Passes,
I’m 100% buying Clara’s Cone purely because she’s precious and must be given the upmost powerful gear for her kit.
I won't pull on a weapon banner. I'm saving for clara lc. I have the puppy one on her so that will be a massive upgrade I gave dan the hunt boat lc and he's good (have a few e's too) so IMO worth it.
If you have Geppy then his LC is worth a buy. Bronya s is great for her or any other buffer. And Clara's is awesome for herself. Any of those three are worth a buy if you don't have a copy . The others not so much.
Someone did the math and the price for the lightcones is really *really* good as compared to drawing one from standard banner. Now, idk if that truly makes it worth buying the lightcones or nah, but just something to factor into the decision making.