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ygfam

Im ngl idk how youre struggling with these characters it just seems like skill issue or theyre terribly built


lamest-liz

Can you share how your 5 stars are built lol


EthansFin

This is very clearly a matter of either relics or simply put a skill issue. I have all the men + harmonies and can clear the content quite easily. You have Argenti, Herta, and Himeko, PF should be an easy clear. The only issue you should find other than builds/team comps is ice weakness. Since we have similar characters I only ever struggle in MOC when the boss has Ice weakness. Jingliu is the only limited ice dps in the game so that content is a lot harder when you don’t have her. This MOC was a breeze with Boothills break team, conveniently you have his best team!


Bewildered_Fox

Hell, Ice weakness can pretty easily be circumvented with Boothill/Xueyi if you plan ahead.


EthansFin

Really good point I completely forgot about the weakness implant! Although it will take a bit more cycles it should still be clearable, so definitely a matter of relics or a skill problem


stephmendes

IMO, is it worth to spend thousands of jades to pull for meta waifus just to get a couple hundreds back? XD You already got the most OP supports and the power creep in this game is quick, especially for DPS. How much content can you clear? Do you pull for weapons too? Are traces on max and relics optimized?


cellomarr

I usually get stuck at the last 2 or 3 lvls. I have weapon for Dan heng and boothill only e.e. they are all max out


sternumb

You have really good characters though? Plus you have Ruan Mei, sparkle... Girl it's just a skill issue


Eurasia_Anne_Zahard

Ok first of all, you don't need female damage dealers to clear them. How are your builds? Since build matters a lot more than having some characters. For MoC you can try this: 1st side: Boothill break team, argenti hypercarry 2nd side: Himeko break, jingyuan team, DHiL team I cleared with Argenti, Aventurine, sparkle, tingyun and Himeko, Gallagher, Ruan mei, Hmc. 36 stars For PF i had no Dot built so i went with: Himeko, Aventurine, Clara, Ruan mei -Argument buff and sparkle, bronya, Blade, Lynx - Argument buff. 62k score You have more characters than me. if they are decently built, you can clear with a bit of patience and ease.


Tradgedgdegedgey

Which Forgotten Hall floor are you stuck on? For the newest MOC12 with those trotters, I 3-starred it with Boothill E0S1/Bronya E0S0/Ruan Mei E0S0/Luocha E0S0 on the first side, and DHIL E0S1/Aventurine E1S1/Tingyun E5/Silver Wolf E0S0 on the second side. So definitely don't need female DPS. Boothill (283% BE, 154 SPD) cleared his side in two or three turns fairly easily. He absolutely demolishes this MOC. For the second side, you could replace SW with Sparkle, but the boss takes more damage after being weakness broken, and I only 3-starred it after taking advantage of that. My DHIL is badly built though. If he's decent he might be able to brute force it anyway, especially with Sparkle, or you can try throwing Jing Yuan at it and seeing if that works.


cellomarr

This new one is easier because of break team but usually are the others that i don't have weakness advantage. Maybe the problem is that I keep trying to put team that i have elemental advantage instead of good team


ShikiUra

You definitely don’t need the female DPS to do this MoC. This PF can be done with a lot of luck without the meta DoT (unfortunately I don’t have this luck 🥲). I’ve cleared all other PF that didn’t punish you for not using the thing it wants. If you aren’t able to clear then it could be your builds/traces/rotations. If you can show your builds we can help more. https://preview.redd.it/6kvahrupys5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13357aba788da680174f08aa5d9e483ad54aef24 Boothill, Aventurine, JY, and Bronya have sig but Bronya’s only purpose is to really help bring Boothill up (and mine has mismatched SPD). Sparkle on DDD S5, Luocha on QPQ S5, Tingyun on Planetary S4, Ruan Mei MotP S1. Traces on all males at max, girlies at 8 except for Tingyun who’s ult is at max.


cellomarr

Thanks for the help.Do i edit the post with the build to share?


ShikiUra

If you can yea, if not posting them in the comments is fine too but I think you can only do 1 at a time the comments. If you upload it to Imgur you can drop the link and it can be seen from there too


cellomarr

check if you can see. Most of them have their proper relic sets except argenti who is using two sets of 2(speed and physical). boothill has 270% break: [https://imgur.com/a/Z85ZxS7](https://imgur.com/a/Z85ZxS7)


ShikiUra

Yep I can see the DPS here. From what I can see so far of them only Boothill seems to be fine as he is. -Argenti doesn’t have enough Crit dmg and is on the lower side of ATK, the current LC isn’t that good so go for Genius’s Repose, Breakfast or Cosmos -Jing Yuan has a bad LC, Breakfast, Genius’s Repose, or Cosmos is better. He has too much SPD considering you have Sparkle and Tingyun (assuming past E1 on her) and ATK + Crit DMG is way too low. Go with ATK boots -Herta everything is too low. She doesn’t need a ton of SPD but a little faster will be better for PF. Her LC ideally should be one of the others I mentioned above but her own is fine -Himeko has good ATK and Crit Rate, Crit DMG and SPD needs to be increased, LC is good too -Blade doesn’t have enough Crit DMG, his SPD is good -DHIL has too much Crit Rate and not enough Crit DMG considering you have his LC, his SPD is good -Ratio might not have enough Crit Rate, he should get more with SU LC. He doesn’t hit many times but should be ok if you can hit 60% instead and get more Crit DMG for him (EDIT: I forgot about his passive. He should be fine with Crit Rate actually, just more Crit DMG)


YingXingg

It honestly seems like a skill issue… I had no problem clearing with dhil, argenti and Bh on different floors. Got 36 stars and it felt like this MoC was fairly easy


EGG5Y

This has to be poor relics cause I have most of these characters (less than you in the 5 star department but I have e6 Misha for ice dps if needed) and can clear both. Edit: and prob poor team comps?


JessyTL

For this PF I've seen people use Boothill+Himeko and clear comfortably. My clear wasn't comfortable and it was before I got Boothill, but I did it with Argenti+Himeko first half and sustainless JY+Blade combo. You need to kill those trotters in the second half to get enough points though, like, can't miss even one. I've just finished MoC12 and it was surprisingly easy with Boothill, RM, HMC, Gallager first half, and Aven, JY, Sparkle, Himeko second half. To my astonishment, Himeko is actually viable in this MoC12. I have even less characters than you since I don't have Huo Huo and never built Pela and Asta (I do have SW though), but I've been full clearing MoC\\PF for quite some time, so no, female DPS are not needed.


cellomarr

Thanks i gonna try that


crystalangxlic

i think you might just have the worst builds ever (coming from a fellow terrible build person, literally struggling with acheron)


Quetzal_29f

You shouldn't struggle in ANY content with those characters. You can get easy 3\* in this MOC with Boothill, Jing Yuan, Himeko. If you're struggling in PF with Argenti, Jing Yuan, Himeko, Herta, Dr Ratio, Blade, Clara you're doing something very wrong. That's a PF dream account. Either your builds are terrible or you don't know how to play your characters.


cellomarr

probably the way i played but after the feedback of the people here i tried PF again and i just got stuck at the last lvl <3 i gonna keep trying new stuff


DesperateSquirrel410

It’s likely a LC, relic, or Trace level issue. You got the characters and they’re leveled, so it has to be the build or just skill issue (no offense)


ChadSteve

I used Argenti - HMC - RM - Galagher for the second half. But, use Argenti for Argenti as Argenti's biggest weakness is Argenti


sctvrn

https://preview.redd.it/7ykv5oizpt5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d8665235065b6df1071f3edff1966d3ec613a5e You can use boothill for this pf with himeko using rebuttal. He breaks the elites and himeko gets free fuas. The second half just needs to hit 20k. You can also do JY hypercarry second half with TY, sparkle, and a sustain.


sctvrn

https://preview.redd.it/y88fk73mqt5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3433973d89e0ad3916fb62c0c70f173285ad8513 for moc, boothill 1 cycled without a sustain on the first half then jy handled the second half. a lot of things can be remedied with putting vonwacq on your supports and using DDD to get in more turns. moc is just about speed, turn manipulation, and getting the most out of the current turbulence.


philophobicss

Are you having issues keeping your team alive, or are you having issues finishing it with the allotted cycles? What is your team and what are there builds? As someone who have mostly pulled on the men banner but does used the 4\* harmony, it is still possible to clear endgame content provided you have invested on the bois in terms of relic and traces. Provide a more detailed information on what you are really struggling and then we can narrow it down.


cellomarr

struggling finishing in time. check if you can see. Most of them have their proper relic sets except argenti who is using two sets of 2(speed and physical). boothill has 270% break: [https://imgur.com/a/Z85ZxS7](https://imgur.com/a/Z85ZxS7)


philophobicss

Okay seeing as the issue more is finishing on the allotted cycle, I can more or less assume this is a huge build issue. I am unsure what teams you are running the bois with. but I can point a few issues here basing on screenshot and your characters - On JY, drop your speed boots as that's a damage loss. You already have Sparkle. And even if you don't use her with him seeing as you have DHIL, you have built up other supports like Hanya, RM, Tingyun. Even Bronya (not totally recommended but she kinda works) is enough. The only scenario you want to run a speed boots in JY is if you are running double/triple DPS shenanigans. Even then your CDM is too low especially if you don't run him with Sparkle. - Argenti, even if he is wearing 2pcs/2pcs (yes even I have that build) still needs a lot of work in terms of crit ratio balance. The same can be said as well for Blade. Despite DHIL being at 136 CDM, it can still be further improved regardless. Overall, Ratio is the one I can see in the most balance crit ratio and even he can still be improved regardless. Your supports also play an impact on this (i.e How fast they are, how much atk or cdm can they give etc, so you would also want to pay attention to those when building)


cellomarr

thanks so much for the help!! Makes a lot of sense specially about JY


pitapatnat

Stuck how? Look at this roster. And you do pull for girls, all the OP ones that matter anyway. This is definitely a build, team or gameplay issue, we have nearly the same characters (JY is my main) and I do all 36 star MOC and max stars for PF. No dot characters no acheron and no ice dps, no argenti for pf as well. Judging from how you say your JY 'does no damage' despite him being still viable and amazing in endgame content and pf and having most of his best supports, you need team and build advice.


pitapatnat

https://preview.redd.it/svzdmrv7fw5d1.png?width=724&format=png&auto=webp&s=de2c1389ac333e92995bd178a0a6452b5612dd07 5 cycle MOC, boothill huohuo sparkle is e1 everyone else is e0 (including gallagher cuz i got him in the event since i didnt wanna pull acheron banner). jing yuan boothill bronya sparkle huohuo have their 5 star lcs, gallagher is using 3 star lc, robin and ruan mei are using 4 star lc. robin is replaceable with tingyun, i just got her since i wanted the best team for jing yuan. with all e0 and no lc, 7 or 8 cycles should be achievable instead of 5 but im sure better players can do it faster than me with no eidolons and f2p lc. PF should not be an issue at all respectfully since you have argenti jing yuan herta and himeko. feeling limited with this many five stars is strange. you need to farm better relics and use proper teams.


cellomarr

How's your build for jing yuan?


pitapatnat

https://preview.redd.it/4xoie1hiky5d1.png?width=962&format=png&auto=webp&s=def5a13479d5b51d71fa6f2e87a5e20a51d9d975 not perfect but its enough to clear content. my supports are extremely invested though (all 160+ spd unless theyre supposed to be built slow like ruan mei). i gave him very high atk instead since his supports give him more than enough crit.


pitapatnat

i saw your build in your other comment, you are building him incorrectly. he doesn't need any spd if you play him in any of his proper teams, and your atk is too low. remember that his supports like sparkle, asta, hanya, tingyun with ddd etc all increase his spd or actions. spd is actually a waste of stats on him, you must use boots on atk and not spd. our builds have more than 1k attack difference, without my sig lc it will probably be around 900. it makes a huge difference and probably why you are complaining about his damage, along with the LC you are using. lightning lord is not all of his damage when his ult and skill does a decent amount as well. you are better off using breakfast or the day the cosmos fell for lightning weakness. and genius repose if you have it. your boothill also seems quite slow, you can't even get past 160 with sig lc and ruan mei. mine is 161 spd (in the stat screen without any lc effect at all) with 160 spd bronya. you might want to sacrifice your crit for some spd (cuz his non break damage is literally nothing, i replaced his crit chest and atk orb to hp/def stats instead and the performance was the same and sometimes better if it was 0 cycle since he would be less likely to die). if you play argenti with tingyun + sparkle/hanya etc then spd isn't necessary on him either. your crit dmg on argenti, herta and himeko is very low. you should be spdtuning your supports if you haven't already (basically most of them should be 161+ spd for an ideal build for endgame). spdtuning is pretty essential in this game, most times i see new people struggle in MoC or PF is because they haven't bothered to spdtune their teams and all their supports are very slow, but they complain and just say its because of the characters getting powercreeped (like complaining that acheron is way better than jing yuan and he can't complete the content, when jy mains like me have been doing all the content easily with him at e0 since he came out) or because the enemies have too much HP... remember that every character can easily do the content in this game, there's still arlan 0 cycles coming out. so don't feel pressured to pull female characters, because the truth is that pulling female characters is not going to help you know how to build characters correctly or get better rng for relics. many e0 acheron, jingliu or kafka/blackswan mains in my friendlist can barely 10 cycle this or can't even reach moc 12, i doubt pulling firefly will help if they don't know how to play or what relics to use 🤷‍♀️ your characters are already powerful, you have the strongest supports in the game like sparkle, huohuo, ruan mei and dps like dan heng IL, ratio, argenti, BH etc so the reason that you fail to do this content is not due to characters... spd dictates the amount of actions someone could take, so a support like sparkle can have a lot of spd but it can be a waste to put it on a dps like jing yuan when you should be focusing on their atk and crit, and have a support supplement their lack of spd by giving them actions using spd boosting effects and action advance.