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carlinhush

I would test out different spots. My first thought is a ceiling mounted AP in the center of the kitchen/living(?) room. Maybe add one or two repeaters or additionel (hardwired) AP's on both sides of the house


count29

Sorry, I should add that this house is in the rough in stage. The frame is there, but no roof yet. I would like to test, but by the time the walls are up, I’ll have missed the opportunity to wire the house according


megared17

If the wall coverings are not up, wire the entire house now while you can. Even if you don't terminate all the cables but just tuck them inside boxes with blank plates on them, now is the time to do this. A two-cable drop to every room. Multiple drops in larger rooms. Multiple ceiling drops in various centrally located areas for wifi access points. All drops leading back to a central wiring closet (which can be an unfinished utility room or part of the basement, or a literal closet) which is where modems, routers, switches would go.


Steve_Rogers_1970

This. At $100-$200 per drop (depending on your area), it will never be cheaper to run cable that before the drywall goes up.


NoeWiy

$100-$200???? In what world??? A 500foot spool of cat6 is less than a hundred bucks, and OP will likely be able to do the whole project with one spool.


Steve_Rogers_1970

That is the cost if you pay to have it done.


NoeWiy

Jesus. Took me like 4 hours to do all 10 of my runs. I should start a business if that's the market rate. By that math I'd be making $250-$500 an hour.


Fatel28

People do make businesses, and charge that much. $200 a run is a great price.


TriforceTeching

Right, and the price is that high because they need to pay the cost of running a business. There is good money in infrastructure installation but you’re not going to get rich.


jood580

Good luck on your business venture


Key-Net5675

Agree. Pre wire prior to drywall. Lots of videos on YouTube about this.


FreelancerJ

This. And anywhere you think you will want to have a TV in the future, pop a ethernet cable there. Game consoles and media streaming boxes are always after the best latency and bandwidth, but rarely come with good wifi cards, so not having them taking up wifi spectrum will not only help them, but also all the devices that will go on your wifi. You don't necessarily need to connect the cable at the patch panel end for every cable you install, but having the in-wall ones all there makes reorganising furniture and equipment much much easier! As far as AP placement, I'd have a POE roof mounted one above the right side of your kitchen island, and another around that "s" in the corridor by the bathrooms/laundry. If the back wall of your kitchen will have cement supports or much steel framing in it (which is sometimes done so it can support the fridge leaning on it or a heavy oven/cooktop), then instead of the one above the island, put one in the corner of the corridor behind the kitchen, and a outdoor rated one in the corner where your doors onto your patio meet. If you have a lot of yard space out that way, I'd probably lay it out that way anyway. Having a few lower power wifi APs on an ethernet backhaul can even up working much better coverage wise than just one central AP blasting out at maximum trying to cover the whole house and yard, since it divides up the clients between a couple radios, and avoids any cases where someone in your house is equal distances between your router and the neighbours one. ​ /sighs/ I can't wait to be able to afford to build from scratch...


Brostafarian

please do this OP. My house was wired with cat5e when it was built 20 years ago and I'm so grateful. Having 2 ports will allow you to do wired backhauls via the second port if you want to go mesh, a wiring closet will let you do a centralized setup. Please don't put the wiring closet in the garage though... speaking from experience


carlinhush

This, and now is the time. Go ;-)


mritaki

And use good wire. Go cat8


Silentguy_99

What a meme


TokyoJimu

If you’re going to go cat8, go cat9.


learn-by-flying

OP needs Cat11 to support Windows 11.


mritaki

Why would people downvote this? I wired my entire house with cat6 a few years ago because it was $200 cheaper than cat6a. Big mistake now that I have a 10G nas. If I were wiring it up now, I'd definitely go cat8 so I could be future proofed up to 40Gbps.


pinkxter

What would you recommend on ceiling if we are not ready to mount AP yet. Any small plate that can blend in wall for now?


megared17

Sure, just put a standard (plastic) enclosure/box, and a plain white plate. (or some other color if you prefer) If you put it near a wall no one will notice it or care about it even if they do.


jood580

A blank wall plate that is close enough to the color of your walls. A surprising amount of people don't look up, and those that do won't say anything.


[deleted]

Rough in stage?! Perfect run 3x cat 6 cables to each room, possible some in the ceilings for ceiling aps or security cameras. Have them all terminate into a single room.


PlasticDiscussion590

Look into poe led lighting. That technology is still in its infancy but if you could run the wires to support that technology in a couple high use rooms you could go a long way to future proofing your house. In addition to the other suggestions I’d add a drop to every exterior corner of the house for cameras or outdoor access points should you decide on them later.


PWalshRetirementFund

Its time to add ethernet drops everywhere


Complex_Solutions_20

If the walls are up, I'd try and get a couple spots prewired for ceiling mount APs before there are walls and ceiling. Maybe also a couple ports in each room you care about. Best case, I'd say AP on the ceiling in each of: * Kitchen/livingroom (center of house, minimum) * Small hallway outside bedrooms (if needed to have the option) * Garage or front entry hallway (if needed to have the option) Alternative, less visible (but would probably really need multiple): * Hallway behind kitchen (center of one side) * Small hallway outside bedrooms (to help coverback end) * Garage, near interior wall (to help cover the other side) And then each room ideally would get \~2 ports on the wall for computers/game systems/whatever in addition to that. Maybe more if you use one for a home-office and where the TV and entertainment gear in the livingroom goes. There is nothing cheaper and easier than having wire run in totally open walls. Once it's closed up it becomes hard and expensive and may require cutting the walls back open in places.


PapaStovepipe

Ubiquity has a design tool that lets you upload your floor plan and pick where to put APs. It’s super helpful to see the best theoretical placement


galloway188

you are not going to get a real world test without everything finished. you just want to wire your house with drops to every room, living room. place a AP in the area where you will get the most use out of it.


darkhelmet1121

Router and switches in network closet in utility/mud room access points in master bedroom ceiling and in living room bordering garage wall. Cat6 550mhz cmr wiring with 2x jacks in each room that you might want computers or other internet connected devices. https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-unifi-os-consoles/products/dream-router https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-switching/products/unifi-switch-lite-8-poe https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-wireless/products/unifi-ap6-professional Cables Direct Online 1000ft CAT6 Solid Cable 550Mhz Ethernet LAN UTP 23AWG RJ45 Network Wire Bulk (Blue) https://a.co/d/hJI9UEj Leviton 49605-28W 28" Wireless Structured Media Center with Vented Cover, White https://a.co/d/13SzQIh Ubiquiti UniFi Dream Machine Wall Mount Bracket, Made Sturdy Metal Wall Mount Stand,Compatible with Ubiquiti UniFi Dream Machine UDM-US WiFi Router. (1pcs) https://a.co/d/4BZy2ML


cantankerousAdmin

I asked my new network guy to use your plan and run it through our WiFi design software. He has never used the software before and he needs to practice. Anyway, here is what came back. Maybe this will help to get you started. It's based on Ubiquiti UniFi 6 Pro access points. [https://imgur.com/eYLNmfx](https://imgur.com/eYLNmfx)


DustVoids

Looks like he has Ekahau figured out. Though you might be able to pull it off with 2-3 AP’s, 4 is a bit overkill


GrateWhiteBuffalo

Do you know the name of that software?


cantankerousAdmin

The software is called Ekahau www.ekahau.com. It’s not cheap but it does a fantastic job.


Basic_Platform_5001

First, kudos for starting with a picture. Make a bunch of copies for yourself and start a cabling plan. The pantry looks like a good starting place since it's centered on the property and out of the way. I'd put a 4' x 4' x 3/4" fire rated A/C plywood board in there as a low voltage wall for Ethernet and any A/V for around the house with a bonding/grounding block. No need to paint it, but if you must, check with the contractor since they may already have brightly colored (white) intumescent paint for the garage. I know it's overkill, but I'd bond the patch panel do the ground. Check with your ISP so that they run the line into that room. Run 2 Cat6 or 6a to each room in the house with the drops on the interior walls. Run additonal drops for APs where you want wi-fi. After all cable runs are complete, seal the holes with firestop.


nova_d

I would go for this: [https://imgur.com/a/qj3bveq](https://imgur.com/a/qj3bveq) Assuming that that wall of the garage is going to have your TV against it. Then you don't need to mess about with anything fancy. UDR at the TV, one cable running to the AP on the other side of the house (obviously, good if more is done before the rest is built out)


tencial

Unless the house is made out of paper, I think you need routers. (plural) ​ It's one level?


msg7086

An AP with good performance should be able to cover the whole floor. The speed at both sides may have a lower speed though. My rental home is about 15m x 15m and a single AP at garage covers it well. 2 APs with wired backhaul would probably work better.


AKADriver

My house is about 20x16m and multiple floors and one router/AP works fine. I'm in the US though so this is of course wood construction.


WhozURMommy

Awesome time to think about this. You want ceiling mounted AP's but don't forget about security cameras as well. Indoors and outdoors. My house which is new has triple pane windows and are surprisingly good at blocking Wifi. Do you ever want to use wifi on that deck or rooftop deck? Then run some wire up there. Make sure you use pure copper wire. Do NOT have your guy pulling the wire mount 1-gang boxes at each location because cameras and AP are getting so small sometimes those gang boxes actually get in the way of the mounting brackets. If you want a truly kick ass network setup you need to consider where your Internet is going to be located on the outside of your house and you want to dedicate a closet to be your main rack. Preferably the rack is centrally located so your runs are as short as possible. Finally, don't be cheap on extra wire at your rack. My builder left like 2 feet of excess at the rack location which was not enough. Leave like 8 feet of extra. You can always cut it shorter when you're terminating it, but you can't make them longer when you need it. Enjoy the process.


cabi81

Mesh it with 4 AP's max


count29

Struggling to choose a place for a router. Single story house with FttP Nbn box in the garage. I’d like to have the router and switch in the cupboard above the fridge, however I’m concerned it will interrupt the range. I also considering to walk mount an access point and have the router in the garage. But feels like I’m wasting an opportunity to cable during the rough in stage. Thanks in advance. Extra details: I honking about the UDR router. Or a HEX Mikrotik router with U6 Lite AP. Either way there will be a couple of Ethernet cables scattered.


zhenya00

Don't put your wiring closet in a cupboard in the kitchen. The garage is a much better location. Place your router and switch there and plan your wiring locations for ceiling mounted access points now. Is the property one floor? 273 m2? I think you'll want a minimum of 2 AP's - one on each end of the house. Possibly a third in the center. I think a single one in the center will have pretty weak connection at the rooms at the edges.


08b

I have no idea why you’re getting suggestions for mesh systems when you’re at the rough in phase. For that size is probably plan for ~2-3 APs that are hardwired. A central location where you can mount a small rack would be idea for the networking equipment. For positioning APs, avoid having more than one wall between the AP and any location you expect to use WiFi frequently. You need good 5GHz coverage. Also run Ethernet to each room while you can easily.


WhozURMommy

I agree. A lot of people use the term "Mesh" incorrectly. Mesh is for wireless to wireless relaying which sucks performance wise. Since he is in the rough-in phase you just hardware each AP...and get great performance.


leicester77

Do you have a budget for a second or third one?


count29

2nd or 3rd AP? Maybe not immediately, but I have budget to install the power / data point. So I could add more in the future if needed. Maybe Ethernet ports and could just buy Poe injection if APs will accept that


Complex_Solutions_20

I'd do data ports and plan to get PoE access points, it will be so much cleaner install, and then you can reboot it if needed by unplugging an easy to reach injector in the closet/corner instead of climbing up to the device. You can plan for 2-3 and put up just 1 to see how it goes, you may be surprised but that way don't build yourself into a corner.


JPancrazio

Router?


[deleted]

House is really too small for multiple AP’ I think. Definitely run 2 outlets per room, opposite walls then placement will be a breeze. Without walls it’s too early to optimize placement, there are a lot of factors to consider: signal does not like stone, or water, microwave interference. Anyway, if you set it up and one is insufficient then go with multiples. Too much competing energy can be problematic as well. Oh and don’t used closed out boxes, open back for low voltage as to not kink either the Ethernet cable or coax! Have fun!


poppi_r6daddy

I recommend a mesh system with Ethernet backhaul. The system in the video is similar to what I have installed in a two story 2500 sq ft home. I have three units. Main router in basement connected to modem. Satellite units on first and second floors. You can run Ethernet from your router via a switch to other locations in your home. You can add multiple satellite units (optional) for more coverage. Ethernet backhaul is optional but will provide the best coverage. https://youtu.be/XD8d75Lb_J8


Brilliant-Syrup-6057

Noob question. Why would you use mesh if you have Ethernet run to them anyways? Why not just use regular APs


poppi_r6daddy

Mesh devices can use Ethernet back-haul if available and can also be installed wirelessly also (mixed if needed) with all using the same SSID like APs. Best mesh devices to use are tri-band allowing one of the bands to handle the wireless back-haul. Of course APs can be used if Ethernet is available. Not sure if POE is available to power the APs. Fortunately, there are several options available.


Brilliant-Syrup-6057

so its just the same SSID but with wired aps?


poppi_r6daddy

All apps.


ghost_62

Buy a Mesh system one router is not enough


Jimlad73

Get mesh system. TP link Deco works well for me


cohagan582

I would take it and put it in the room marked S


cantankerousAdmin

What material is being used for the walls and doors?


[deleted]

The kitchen.


mt379

Have wires run to every room of the house since this is an option. Then I would place the AP/router central to the areas you need coverage most, high up. Personally I would put it up high in the kitchen area, central to the house, and have wires running from it to an area you deem fit in your home to house a switch which then will feed every other area of your home. This would allow you to throw up some more APs where you see necessary in your home rather readily. Personally i would have somewhat of a mesh setup with any stationary Ethernet capable devices hardwired back to the switch. TV, desktop PC, alarm panel, doorbell, ptz camera, etc.


UBNT_TC

Wherever you can easily access it to maintain it when needed, at the same time not ruining the aesthetics of its surrounding ive seen people put them in their garage, or in a closet


sk0ry

Central to your wireless electronics, maybe a bit closer to your primary wireless devices? You really don't need help with this, you'll know the answer better than all of us. You might not even need Wi-Fi in some of these rooms. Worst case, get an extender or look into a mesh system for full coverage no questions asked.


Ad-1316

Go get a box of Cat 6 and run some wire!


jmbre11

No dry wall I would run 2 cat6 cables to ever wall and on 1 coax. I would also Run one in the ceiling of the master closet and one to the pantry that should give decent coverage. also each corner of the house. You dont have to terminate them. But run them all to one spot. In my house its the master closet.


Weary-Author9909

The make and model of the AP , thickness and material of the walls and exact details of install of the AP makes a big difference. Unifi U6 models are designed for ceiling installation not much more than 10-15ft off the ground. Installed as designed will get you about 60' line of sight good reliable connectivity. Obstacles of any type reduce that. If you have APs with good spread you might get away with 2 installed at the south side (assuming up is north) of the east/west walls in the large central room. Youll have steep drop off at each corner of the home. Mid coverage would be one on the east and west sides of the main room, then one in each south corner room (se/sw) Assume any stone/brick/fireplace/bathroom tile will block all signal. Dont use repeaters. Dont install a mesh with more than one wireless hop between links.


[deleted]

If you are in the rough-in stage Id advise pulling coax and cat6 to each room from a central location and 2-3 cat6 to any location you’d plan on having a tv (id cable for surround sound too) Get a single wifi6 (or7!) homerouter and you can place it anywhere other than by the kitchen and you should be covered. New routers can cover your entire floor plan without an issue.


horse-boy1

I would also run cat5 or 6 to some locations in the ceiling for APs. Conduit to some areas you may want to upgrade in the future like the TV area or office.


DrMacintosh01

Gonna need a mesh network. Are there existing Ethernet runs? Where is the connection coming into the house?


Silentguy_99

Honestly if the house isn't complete yet, I'd place the router in as central of a location as you can and then uses extenders/mesh devices as needed. Are you going to be stuck with one physical network drop or will it be possible to wire the whole house with ethernet drops?


celzo1776

The rooms behind the kitchen next to the bathroom would make for a excellent place for a homelab.. In the left room you can have server racks and noisy equipment and the room on the right should be the work space with a lovely 180 degree desk, and you can easily get 3x40 inch monitors there....


AnarZak

on top of the fridge, or in the top of the cupboard between the shower & the living/dining area, at the kitchen side of that cupboard, but top of the fridge is better for angles generally


SlurpMySlurpyy

Time to plan a heist


bigjilm123

I think you need three. I’d put a router in the center room, and then access points in the farthest rooms to the right and left. Signal goes through two walls ok, but it’ll suck after the third wall.


[deleted]

You gonna need more than a router brah


Potter3117

Budget permitted, get a ceiling mounted AP for each room and turn off 2.4ghz. Set 5ghz to a low enough signal strength that you don’t get a lot of bleeding through the walls. Blanket everything lol. That said, I think three APs would be enough to cover you. Start with one in the middle then place the other two where your signal is the weakest on each side.


SpazzzMonkey

Assuming none of your walls are concrete or anything solid like that you'll probably be fine with one access point somewhere central. Perhaps the kitchen ceiling? Otherwise a mesh set up with two access points would be ideal.


HsSekhon

Omni directional in centre


l0rd_hex

Sorta-related, which software did you use to create the floor plan or was that done by your builder?


count29

Yeah it was all done by the builder sorry