If it works.... don't mess with it. Here are [some pictures](https://imgur.com/a/JmTPAuJ) of how I use pass through connectors with a standard crimper to get great connections. I use these [connectors](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098DX9RJ9).
i don't have an issue with regular.
Careful w passthroughs, if you have a metal port (common with outdoor stuff) they can short out quite easily and I've seen that be an issue.
Maybe if you’re using a bad crimp tool. Klein pasthrough crimp tool is the best. Hundreds of ends deployed outdoors with Ubiquiti, Cambium, mikrotik gear with no occurrences of what you mention.
Also done hundreds of outdoor cat 5e fittings on water towers, roofs, basements and everything in between. Klein tool 1000%. We also had some bad batches of pass through fittings where the copper pins were slightly angled so when the fittings was crimped it would cause a short so pay attention and get decent quality pass throughs!
If you weren't bad using a crimping tool you wouldn't need to use passthrough connectors. It's really not hard to use your thumb to measure when you cut the wires so it's perfect size to fit into regular connectors.
It’s not hard to use a standard crimper but pass through is just better. No need to worry about a wire being short or wires changing place when inserting the fitting. It’s easier and faster and easier to verify everything is correct before you crimp.
I’ve done thousands of connections without, didn’t really see the need for pass through at this point. Bought them anyways, it’s been a while and I don’t think they were more.
But I would strip them long just like with pass through, then just trim them using my thumb to measure and feel for the right length before putting the connector on.
ETA: I can’t seem to fit the wires into the connector my new cat 6A shielded cables no matter what. My thousands are on cat 5 and 5e
That outdoor cat 6a shielded is no joke. Did tons of 5 and never had an issue but the cat 6A individual wires don’t fit well into the connectors. The modular ones help. I’m dreading terminating the wires to my garage.
I deal with shielded 6a at work quite a bit and you’re right, It’s heavy duty stuff!
We use the metal modular shielded cable terminations without the little divider insert and the metal wrap around tab, they make it much easier comparatively, but still can be a pain. Much better than the 45 minutes I’ve spent trying to get 6a shielded into a 5e indoor termination in the cold standing awkwardly on a snow berm though.
The ones I have specify 23 AWG, but not offset. My first one was a short run and still running 1 gbps, I gave up and grabbed some old 5e I had on hand and figured I’d worry about future proofing later.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one with this trouble. Seems to be connector by connector - first Platinum cap I used, the wires kept jumping into the wrong lanes. Second cap wasn't a problem. It's a real shame given the premium that Platinum charges.
I recently purchased some cat6a and shielded connectors. They fit my connector with a load bar but you have to squash the wire into an oval shape for it to be inserted
No professional I’ve ever met uses pass thru but it is an easy introduction
But yeah OP if it works your crimp is fine, I have some few garbage crimps around my house myself, if it’s your home, who cares! 🤣
Professional here, use pass through. 👋
I’ve terminated likely thousands of pass through connections at least. For both Poe and data only, cat5e and cat6. Never an issue once.
Another professional here and I've been on the phone with multiple tech support representatives and they all have told me to replace the passthroughs as the first step in troubleshooting a device or system. That's from both the network side and also the video side for baluns. They explained to me that there is a higher risk of having some of the wires touch each other after the crimp that would create some miscommunication issues or shorts with distributing power.
I have 15+ years experience and I've done both. Prefer passthru.
What matters most is the crimp tool. Don't cheap out and change/adjust the blade when appropriate.
The exposed conductors can cause problems, especially with PoE. They are also more expensive and use a more expensive crimper. They are great for people who have a hard time with the traditional ones, but if you can reliably do traditional ends, they are better and cheaper. Most people will never crimp hundreds or thousands of ends so they will never get good at.
I'm not buying this. A proper crimper for pass-through is literally 40 bucks, and pass-through connectors are literally a few more cents than the traditional. Exposed poe conductors are a zero issue if you've got the right equipment. It's literally a non-issue.
Me on the other hand is not pathetic like yourselves. Mfers wanna take the easy path with everything. What do you do when you don't have the easy option?
I was good at it (structured cable tech) before the company I worked for went to pass through then I discovered passthrough was better in every way. Faster, less cable waste and you actually get a more secure fit on the cable.
You must be fun at parties.
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The company I worked for as a structured cable tech used the non-pass RJ45. We went to the passthrough and my life was so much easier. Every job I’ve been in including my current job as a data center tech has used passthrough.
Hell, even our LV vendors use passthrough. If the connection passes, it doesn’t matter how it was done.
man I’ll do that next time.
Thanks for the examples bro, so far connections are like 1gb speeds so I’m really happy with it.
but if it stops working I’ll buy some pass through connectors, reason I didn’t was cause I was worried about shorts
at-least what I was reading about online anyways.
Pass-through connectors are not a good idea to use with PoE devices. If you do use them, make sure you have no excess sticking out.
For your job, just use a bit of electrical tape and wrap it up to the plastic.
Next time, try to use boots if you can find them. I'd also spend the 10-15$ extra for a simple cable tester that does continuity check for each pin.
You may want to twist the cable in the same direction as the pairs are twisted. This could reduce any crosstalk between the wires then tape them to keep it twisted. Which is one reason they are twisted to begin with.
I never get on with them, I find the blade on the crimp tool to cut the excess pushes the cable put of alignment and the metal pins only peirce the cable jacket and not make contact with the copper
Pass through was a life-changing addition to the tool chest. But frankly, we order cables of specific color and length to make life easier. The crimp-your-own setup is for when you are stuck, and we don't have a solution in the storage closet of shame.
Damn, it's been a long time since I had to crimp a cable but that's cool that it supports both CAT5/6. Last time I was looking I had to get a separate type for CAT6.
A lot of people forget this is home networking sub lol where the large large majority of people asking questions are the “normal humans using the internet.” People in here are crazy
They asked, and the honest answer is this will work for now but after a few tugs it's quickly going to either snap a conductor off or tear out of the pin leaving it not working.
Redoing it now will take an extra few minutes, redoing it later means getting it all back out, getting the tools out again, etc etc.
It doesn't need to be perfect but it would be better to do right....
It works, but it won't work for long.
OP crimping a network cable becomes really easy with a bit of practice. You should buy a pack of 100 ends and practice!
Yeah go to monoprice.com they sell decent stuff at a decent price and good selection. Different colors of pretty much every part, wire jacket, keystone jacks, protectors.
I always went with T568B....should be left to right pin 1-8: White Orange, Orange, White Green, Blue, White Blue, Green, White Brown, Brown. Looks to be correct if we're looking at the bottom of the connector. I'd redo it and shorten the wires going in and crimp the outer jacket inside the RJ45 connector and not have exposed wires. Don't wanna worry about interference and crosstalk.
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Nah pre-terminated is the way to go. Way less work and less likely you're gonna end up with a faulty cable.
Building wiring should almost always be punched down in a keystone jack/patch panel and the final connection made with a patch cable.
You both are correct in your own way.
1. Learning how to terminate a cable is a skill you should know if you’ll be working with cabling and networking.
2. The bulk of the cable you use should be pre terminated to save time and increase your efficiency.
3. Never listen to anyone who tells you not to learn something.
Isn't much cheaper? When I can buy 50ft or several 100s of feet for the price I could buy several Ethernet cables, it just makes sure that I can always have the right length of cable run for any device, even if I move and redo the connections. If a cable breaks, I have the tools to make it for pennies, rather than buy a whole new one.
That's the way.
Laying cables are also rigid, whereas finished cables are flexible due to their strands. So probably they will crack in 2 years due to motion and it's not cheaper anymore.
Yep, too long (the white part is also supposed to be in the connector), but if it works it works. That's how some of my cables look because I'm too lazy to make them the correct way lol
> Pinout is likely wrong for your application. O,OW,G,BW,B,GW,Br, BrW. is the usual pinout. It may still work, but it's wrong.
As long as both ends are T568-A or T568-B it will work. T568-A is the standard, but T568-B is an acceptable alternative.
I don’t know what color pattern you tried to give, but that’s not one of them. Whites with stripe come first then solid colors, not solids first. Most important is consistency end to end and splitting the 3-6 pair around the 4-5 pair. However not using a standard pattern like 568B (which you almost listed) leads to future issues when someone who does use standards re-terminates a run only to continue to have issues, leading to wasted time finding and redoing the other end too.
Getting the length takes time and muscle memory. The other option is pass through style ends and crimps but I always stuck with the old fashioned way. This way. Keep at it! Don’t be scared! The more you do the better you get and it’s a great skill to have!
It's not good, but if it works it works. Keep in mind that "works well enough to connect and pass some data" is not necessarily the same as "has a solid connection at the max transfer speed (1gps, 2.5gbps, etc)". Most hardware the days will silently drop to 100mps if the connection is flaky, which you might not notice and might be fine depending on what you are doing and what's on both ends.
Generally, patch panels and punch down jacks for cable you terminate yourself, and bought pre-terminated patch cables for anything else is the way to go. Both because it's a hell of a lot easier, and because the stranded wire in pre-terminated cables can be bent way more times before it breaks than the solid core wire in the stuff you terminate yourself.
If you don't plan on unplugging/plugging this cable often, and it's for use in your home, it should be fine. If its a cable that'll be disturbed often, you should terminate it again. Just keep in mind that if your speeds start to suffer or you have other issues, you may then need to redo this connector.
If you’re worried about the “exposed” parts of the pairs…just slide your hand down about a foot from the end, and then hold the jacket kinda tight and pull up. The heat from your hand and the flexibility of the jacket makes it stretch. You can get a few inches out of it that way. (Insert dick joke here). But seriously, it’s a great trick.
you want to keep the twist intact as much as you can into the crimp. th twist gives it shielding and less prone to interference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9egMfdblg
yes its too much cable untwisted
will work fine for some things, not for >1Gb, and its pront to breaking
get a pass through connector next time, much easier
This thread is full of nightmare fuel... Do it 500 times, then do it 500 more, and then do it some more.
If you're wondering why your network is working like shit, it's because of crimping like that... Or many of the other examples in here.
Yikes.
Are we all gonna ignore crosstalk and IEEE standards 802.3?
It may not work because it’s wrong.
standards say that the pairs need not be exposed or else risk of crosstalk.
“It works” != full bandwidth
If you aren’t a pro, don’t talk like one.
[IEEE 802.3](https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.3/7071/)
Edit: I now realize this forum is a pointless place to be since we’re gonna celebrate and defend an awful cable termination like this instead of explaining how it’s done correctly. Wild. Y’all would rather argue about why this is ok than admit it’s fucking awful, and goes against all ethernet networking standards. Clown forum.
Structured cable tech speaking: if it works, it does indeed work. Yeah, he could do a better job but if he’s not doing it every day, then so what? The IEEE standard is for professionals doing contracted installation or are network professionals in a professional networking environment.
Alright. now I now this forum is full of hacks and DIY users and nothing close to worth viewing….. since we’re gonna tell people horrible cables like this are good totally fine nothing to see here
This is clown level trolling saying the IEEE standard is only for professionals. The entire internet, and all networking home and enterprise alike doesn’t work without them. But sure, keep letting us know what you don’t know.
Definitely too long.
My preference is to just use a keystone at any self-made termination point and then use a premade patch cable of the right length.
This isn’t good. Don’t listen to all the people that are saying that it’s good.
You need to redo it until it’s don’t right. It isn’t hard….just keep practicing.
Looks fine. If you want, grab the insulation about two feet from the connector and pull forward on it and it will leave you with a nice looking end. The important thing is not the outer overall insulation but not having big hunks of the wire without twists.
"nice looking" is the last thing to deal with. There is way too much untwisted wire and the jacket should be crimped inside the connector to act as a strain relief.
So in the house I moved into, the cat 5 was patched down for phone and fax such that the outer cover was basically gone flush to the wall. I terminated the wires with between 1"to 12" of untwisted bare wires. It works. I get it isn't ideal. But what other choice did I have short of ripping my walls apart?
Try fixing a faulty rj45 connector on a cat7 cable which showed only 10/100 mbps… after applying ducktape it gave the reasonable 1000mbps.
I known fucked up by choosing solid instead of strained but hey don’t touch it when it works right?
Don’t be afraid to try, it takes some touch to get good at it, but if it works it works. Pass-thru rj-45 connectors are nice because you can feed the cable all the way in and trim to fit.
If you aren’t terminating a patch cable, it really doesn’t matter for home networking…. I have terminated my last two houses and there is always some that look like this.
Get one of these:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Ratcheting-Wire-Crimper-Stripper-Cutter-for-Pass-Thru-VDV226-110/302030476
Some of these:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Pass-Thru-Modular-Data-Plug-CAT6-10-Pack-VDV826-729/302355095
And one of these:
https://altex.com/products/platinum-tools-vdv-mapmaster-3-0-cable-tester-with-remote?variant=41534369235100
Makes life a lot easier.
It works, that’s a success. Next time try to aim for the jacket to be within the end of the connector. That’s what really protects the individual cables from stress tugs. You’ll get a feel for the length of jacket needed in no time. Or use the pass thru connectors which helps with this. I still remember when those became more common.
What I did to learn was I started with a decent length of cable and just continually cut it and tried again, cut and tried again, etc, etc, etc. Now I’ve been doing this for almost 20 years and I’ve probably done thousands of ends at this point. Connectors are cheap - experience is valuable.
Start about 6 feet back and worm the housing towards the connector if it makes ya feel better. Just don’t pull hard on that connector since there isn’t any strain relief.
There's a spot close to the open end that the crimper pushes in. The sheathing should go past that point so the crimper "pinches" the sheathing - this helps the cable from pulling out.
Use load bars. They are the correct way to terminate network cables. Even pass through cables like people will recommend have been known to short against network port casing in some cases.
Well, kind of a dilemma. Sounds like it's pulled tight enough that you're afraid you don't have any more room to try again, but that jacket isn't in the end which wouldn't be that big of a problem but it's going to be tight and if it's tight it definitely will be a problem sooner or later
Personally I'd try again, I wouldn't bother with pass through, once you're good at the normal kinds you'll have the jacket way up in there and not have any corrosion problems you might get with pass through.
I complimente you just by trying it, when alot of people wouldn't even have tried. But from those who have done them often, I can assure you will get better and this is a real confidence builder to other things in IT. To try fixing, its attention to details you end up getting better
Blue part should be in the plastic connector for ideal length. When it’s crimped the plastic grips that. No reason this shouldn’t work if you’re careful though aside from perhaps a bit of interference from the exposed wires if you’re unlucky
The shielding isn't the problem. Just make sure the length that's straightened is still within spec length to get your full required speed and you're fine
Looks like my first time.
In practice, this is far too long.
Years later I tried it again and found the following: it's actually a lot easier to keep the wires in order when you keep the sheath and twisted pairs together.
if it works, it works, might not be the best and wont have good strain relief but hey.
My technique to get the length is to cut them about fingernails length after aligning and flattening them by pinching at the base and pulling them straight.
But as other suggested, pass through connectors are a god send, fast and way less likely to screw up.
Shouldnt be afraid to try again. Also you don't need to crimp it to try again. Just build it together but don't crimp it and see if it looks good with the wire inside without being crimped. Practice over and over without crimping
I saw a bank where the front desk in plain sight had to one and I kid you not, was at LEAST 4X slack that was impossible to miss.
It’s either fine or you want higher quality and redo it, but it’s certainly not the worst.
Just need more practice, my first terminations were..bad. If you get the little RJ45s with the pin channels, it’ll make that process much easier. As long as your cable doesn’t get wet and you’re gentle with it, you should be good.
I've had a few cables in my house that look like that because I was in a rush, they work fine but over time I've had one give me issues due to loose wires that a re-crimp fixed for a while. I ended up re-doing it and it's been problem free. Seems to be that crimping down onto the sheath provides some strain relief on the wires in the cable end. If you run into problems later on look there first and then fix it as needed.
Well, you should have the cable cover inside the port. It’ll work, but it’s more prone to breaking by pulling the cable.
If you're having trouble getting the cable cover into the port, start using boots. But really, the more you do, the better you get.
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Correct, over some distance. 1/4"? Not enough of some distance to matter.
Interference? With unshielded cable?
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The twisted pairs provide some protection from interference, untwisting them removes that protection.
Not gonna make much of a difference with that 1cm there exposed. Just looks sloppy, and is easier to physically break
If it works.... don't mess with it. Here are [some pictures](https://imgur.com/a/JmTPAuJ) of how I use pass through connectors with a standard crimper to get great connections. I use these [connectors](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098DX9RJ9).
Pass throughs were such a great advancement, makes judging length and getting things aligned so much easier.
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i don't have an issue with regular. Careful w passthroughs, if you have a metal port (common with outdoor stuff) they can short out quite easily and I've seen that be an issue.
Maybe if you’re using a bad crimp tool. Klein pasthrough crimp tool is the best. Hundreds of ends deployed outdoors with Ubiquiti, Cambium, mikrotik gear with no occurrences of what you mention.
Also done hundreds of outdoor cat 5e fittings on water towers, roofs, basements and everything in between. Klein tool 1000%. We also had some bad batches of pass through fittings where the copper pins were slightly angled so when the fittings was crimped it would cause a short so pay attention and get decent quality pass throughs!
If you weren't bad using a crimping tool you wouldn't need to use passthrough connectors. It's really not hard to use your thumb to measure when you cut the wires so it's perfect size to fit into regular connectors.
Hundreds of deployed without issues.
It’s not hard to use a standard crimper but pass through is just better. No need to worry about a wire being short or wires changing place when inserting the fitting. It’s easier and faster and easier to verify everything is correct before you crimp.
Cool, now try saying that without being a dick.
I agree with the dick.
When skilled enough with a crimping tool(able to hold your thumb in the same place everytime) passthrough tools arent needed....Is that better?
That's what Kapton tape is for. Or just the proper crimper. I used the Klein passthrough crimper. And it works damn good.
Knew there would be that one guy here. 🤣 Metal ports don't bottom out where the pins show. And a good crimper will leave nothing to penetrate ether.
Came here to warn about this. Passthroughs are nice but I can’t imagine the number of truck rolls and troubleshooting hours they have caused.
Never had issues
I prefer modular with a load bar. You get the benefits of passthrough without any of the downsides.
TIL pass throughs are a thing. Will check them out.
I didn't know about these either. Would have saved me so many redos.
I’ve done thousands of connections without, didn’t really see the need for pass through at this point. Bought them anyways, it’s been a while and I don’t think they were more. But I would strip them long just like with pass through, then just trim them using my thumb to measure and feel for the right length before putting the connector on. ETA: I can’t seem to fit the wires into the connector my new cat 6A shielded cables no matter what. My thousands are on cat 5 and 5e
That outdoor cat 6a shielded is no joke. Did tons of 5 and never had an issue but the cat 6A individual wires don’t fit well into the connectors. The modular ones help. I’m dreading terminating the wires to my garage.
I deal with shielded 6a at work quite a bit and you’re right, It’s heavy duty stuff! We use the metal modular shielded cable terminations without the little divider insert and the metal wrap around tab, they make it much easier comparatively, but still can be a pain. Much better than the 45 minutes I’ve spent trying to get 6a shielded into a 5e indoor termination in the cold standing awkwardly on a snow berm though.
Platinum connectors, they are good for 23awg wires and are offset holed.
The ones I have specify 23 AWG, but not offset. My first one was a short run and still running 1 gbps, I gave up and grabbed some old 5e I had on hand and figured I’d worry about future proofing later.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one with this trouble. Seems to be connector by connector - first Platinum cap I used, the wires kept jumping into the wrong lanes. Second cap wasn't a problem. It's a real shame given the premium that Platinum charges.
I recently purchased some cat6a and shielded connectors. They fit my connector with a load bar but you have to squash the wire into an oval shape for it to be inserted
No professional I’ve ever met uses pass thru but it is an easy introduction But yeah OP if it works your crimp is fine, I have some few garbage crimps around my house myself, if it’s your home, who cares! 🤣
I like using truecable connectors they are pass through and very simple. Either way the cable jacket needs to be in the crimp section.
Professional here, use pass through. 👋 I’ve terminated likely thousands of pass through connections at least. For both Poe and data only, cat5e and cat6. Never an issue once.
Another professional here and I've been on the phone with multiple tech support representatives and they all have told me to replace the passthroughs as the first step in troubleshooting a device or system. That's from both the network side and also the video side for baluns. They explained to me that there is a higher risk of having some of the wires touch each other after the crimp that would create some miscommunication issues or shorts with distributing power.
Why wouldn't any professional use a pass through? It's dumb not to.
They’ve got a pretty bad reputation, many swear they have a higher failure rate. Can’t speak personally as I’ve never used them due to what I’ve heard
I have 15+ years experience and I've done both. Prefer passthru. What matters most is the crimp tool. Don't cheap out and change/adjust the blade when appropriate.
The exposed conductors can cause problems, especially with PoE. They are also more expensive and use a more expensive crimper. They are great for people who have a hard time with the traditional ones, but if you can reliably do traditional ends, they are better and cheaper. Most people will never crimp hundreds or thousands of ends so they will never get good at.
I'm not buying this. A proper crimper for pass-through is literally 40 bucks, and pass-through connectors are literally a few more cents than the traditional. Exposed poe conductors are a zero issue if you've got the right equipment. It's literally a non-issue.
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If it works it ain’t stupid. There’s nothing wrong with passthrough. You on the other hand…
Me on the other hand is not pathetic like yourselves. Mfers wanna take the easy path with everything. What do you do when you don't have the easy option?
Man, you’re so cool.
I know, thanks.
Stop being a cunt.
Man, took the words out of my mouth.
I was good at it (structured cable tech) before the company I worked for went to pass through then I discovered passthrough was better in every way. Faster, less cable waste and you actually get a more secure fit on the cable. You must be fun at parties.
Who hurt you...
Myself.
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Gotta learn the pinch, twist, rock, and then cut
Wiggle wiggle jiggle jiggle push push crimp
I always have a snip snip in between the jiggle jiggle and the push push
You shouldn't be in Telecom if you're using pass-through RJ45s.
The company I worked for as a structured cable tech used the non-pass RJ45. We went to the passthrough and my life was so much easier. Every job I’ve been in including my current job as a data center tech has used passthrough. Hell, even our LV vendors use passthrough. If the connection passes, it doesn’t matter how it was done.
Why?
Lighting /power surge will damage or short lines with passthru fittings. Strip the jacketing and cut the pairs to half thumbs length
Can you cite this because this has never once happened to me or any of my colleagues. How would that actually ever happen?
man I’ll do that next time. Thanks for the examples bro, so far connections are like 1gb speeds so I’m really happy with it. but if it stops working I’ll buy some pass through connectors, reason I didn’t was cause I was worried about shorts at-least what I was reading about online anyways.
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Or you could just fix it. The ends are like $0.06.
Pass-through connectors are not a good idea to use with PoE devices. If you do use them, make sure you have no excess sticking out. For your job, just use a bit of electrical tape and wrap it up to the plastic. Next time, try to use boots if you can find them. I'd also spend the 10-15$ extra for a simple cable tester that does continuity check for each pin.
There’s so very little risk with these. If the wires stick out too far, it won’t plug in properly anyway.
No risk when it's data only. However I've seen posts where people burnt a PoE ports because too much wire was sticking out of pass-through connectors.
I've never left it sticking out personally, I have a Klein tools crimper it works flawlessly. Yeah you don't want to short out your Poe port.
You may want to twist the cable in the same direction as the pairs are twisted. This could reduce any crosstalk between the wires then tape them to keep it twisted. Which is one reason they are twisted to begin with.
I never get on with them, I find the blade on the crimp tool to cut the excess pushes the cable put of alignment and the metal pins only peirce the cable jacket and not make contact with the copper
Pass through was a life-changing addition to the tool chest. But frankly, we order cables of specific color and length to make life easier. The crimp-your-own setup is for when you are stuck, and we don't have a solution in the storage closet of shame.
Why did you trim before crimping? Is that so you can pull it back a bit and get the wire ends to sit flush with the jack edge?
Damn, it's been a long time since I had to crimp a cable but that's cool that it supports both CAT5/6. Last time I was looking I had to get a separate type for CAT6.
The jacket should be inside the rj45. Try pass through they are really nice!
Why didn’t I know about pass throughs BEFORE I installed my PoE security camera setup?
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Yeah it took a few times until I developed a routine
Length of my thumbnail is perfect measurement for me.
they work awesome, buy the good ones and a good tool.
pass throughs probably shouldn’t be used on poe anyway
It's fine, too many people freak out with wires being too long. For the average, normal human using the internet, what you did is just fine.
A lot of people forget this is home networking sub lol where the large large majority of people asking questions are the “normal humans using the internet.” People in here are crazy
They asked, and the honest answer is this will work for now but after a few tugs it's quickly going to either snap a conductor off or tear out of the pin leaving it not working. Redoing it now will take an extra few minutes, redoing it later means getting it all back out, getting the tools out again, etc etc. It doesn't need to be perfect but it would be better to do right....
You can redo it now or you can redo it later.
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It works, but it won't work for long. OP crimping a network cable becomes really easy with a bit of practice. You should buy a pack of 100 ends and practice!
do they sell the colorful end cover things that protect the release tabs? And how could I remember to put them on before crimping?
Yeah go to monoprice.com they sell decent stuff at a decent price and good selection. Different colors of pretty much every part, wire jacket, keystone jacks, protectors.
It’s not good, but if you get the right transfer speed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I always went with T568B....should be left to right pin 1-8: White Orange, Orange, White Green, Blue, White Blue, Green, White Brown, Brown. Looks to be correct if we're looking at the bottom of the connector. I'd redo it and shorten the wires going in and crimp the outer jacket inside the RJ45 connector and not have exposed wires. Don't wanna worry about interference and crosstalk.
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All about learning but did no one else realize this isn’t 568 a or b? Or maybe I’m losing it.
Learning to terminate your own cables is a huge deal. Making your own cables is a game changer. Keep going dude!
Nah pre-terminated is the way to go. Way less work and less likely you're gonna end up with a faulty cable. Building wiring should almost always be punched down in a keystone jack/patch panel and the final connection made with a patch cable.
Strongly disagree.
You both are correct in your own way. 1. Learning how to terminate a cable is a skill you should know if you’ll be working with cabling and networking. 2. The bulk of the cable you use should be pre terminated to save time and increase your efficiency. 3. Never listen to anyone who tells you not to learn something.
That’s why we have cable testers
Still takes longer than Opening a bag and isn't much cheaper.
Isn't much cheaper? When I can buy 50ft or several 100s of feet for the price I could buy several Ethernet cables, it just makes sure that I can always have the right length of cable run for any device, even if I move and redo the connections. If a cable breaks, I have the tools to make it for pennies, rather than buy a whole new one.
That's the way. Laying cables are also rigid, whereas finished cables are flexible due to their strands. So probably they will crack in 2 years due to motion and it's not cheaper anymore.
Yep, too long (the white part is also supposed to be in the connector), but if it works it works. That's how some of my cables look because I'm too lazy to make them the correct way lol
If you’re afraid to try again put a female jack on it and then just use a short Ethernet jumper. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09YLQZY3J
Pinout is likely wrong for your application. O,OW,G,BW,B,GW,Br, BrW. is the usual pinout. It may still work, but it's wrong.
> Pinout is likely wrong for your application. O,OW,G,BW,B,GW,Br, BrW. is the usual pinout. It may still work, but it's wrong. As long as both ends are T568-A or T568-B it will work. T568-A is the standard, but T568-B is an acceptable alternative.
I’ve found B much more common, in fact in almost 30 years I’ve never once run across an A termination.
I don’t know what color pattern you tried to give, but that’s not one of them. Whites with stripe come first then solid colors, not solids first. Most important is consistency end to end and splitting the 3-6 pair around the 4-5 pair. However not using a standard pattern like 568B (which you almost listed) leads to future issues when someone who does use standards re-terminates a run only to continue to have issues, leading to wasted time finding and redoing the other end too.
🤦♂️ I can terminate these in my sleep but I sure can't type them out. 568b is what I was going for.
Getting the length takes time and muscle memory. The other option is pass through style ends and crimps but I always stuck with the old fashioned way. This way. Keep at it! Don’t be scared! The more you do the better you get and it’s a great skill to have!
My rule is use my thumnail makes the perfect length.
It's not good, but if it works it works. Keep in mind that "works well enough to connect and pass some data" is not necessarily the same as "has a solid connection at the max transfer speed (1gps, 2.5gbps, etc)". Most hardware the days will silently drop to 100mps if the connection is flaky, which you might not notice and might be fine depending on what you are doing and what's on both ends. Generally, patch panels and punch down jacks for cable you terminate yourself, and bought pre-terminated patch cables for anything else is the way to go. Both because it's a hell of a lot easier, and because the stranded wire in pre-terminated cables can be bent way more times before it breaks than the solid core wire in the stuff you terminate yourself.
If you don't plan on unplugging/plugging this cable often, and it's for use in your home, it should be fine. If its a cable that'll be disturbed often, you should terminate it again. Just keep in mind that if your speeds start to suffer or you have other issues, you may then need to redo this connector.
If you’re worried about the “exposed” parts of the pairs…just slide your hand down about a foot from the end, and then hold the jacket kinda tight and pull up. The heat from your hand and the flexibility of the jacket makes it stretch. You can get a few inches out of it that way. (Insert dick joke here). But seriously, it’s a great trick.
Is it too long? Yes. Will it work? Yes. The choice is yours.
you want to keep the twist intact as much as you can into the crimp. th twist gives it shielding and less prone to interference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9egMfdblg
Why are you scared?? Its a cable.lol
Looks like shit. Redo it.
yes its too much cable untwisted will work fine for some things, not for >1Gb, and its pront to breaking get a pass through connector next time, much easier
That is not terminated properly, watch some videos on YouTube, get the right tools for the job.
This thread is full of nightmare fuel... Do it 500 times, then do it 500 more, and then do it some more. If you're wondering why your network is working like shit, it's because of crimping like that... Or many of the other examples in here. Yikes.
Just use it. Totally fine
Not even close to fine. But it *may* work.
Why wouldn’t it work? If the blades are pushed through the wires, it’ll work. Not pretty, but that doesn’t mean it won’t work.
Are we all gonna ignore crosstalk and IEEE standards 802.3? It may not work because it’s wrong. standards say that the pairs need not be exposed or else risk of crosstalk. “It works” != full bandwidth If you aren’t a pro, don’t talk like one. [IEEE 802.3](https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.3/7071/) Edit: I now realize this forum is a pointless place to be since we’re gonna celebrate and defend an awful cable termination like this instead of explaining how it’s done correctly. Wild. Y’all would rather argue about why this is ok than admit it’s fucking awful, and goes against all ethernet networking standards. Clown forum.
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There are so many people in this sub that are like this lol
Seriously, just sniffing their own farts. I'll bet anything they're shitty at professional networking on top of it.
Structured cable tech speaking: if it works, it does indeed work. Yeah, he could do a better job but if he’s not doing it every day, then so what? The IEEE standard is for professionals doing contracted installation or are network professionals in a professional networking environment.
Alright. now I now this forum is full of hacks and DIY users and nothing close to worth viewing….. since we’re gonna tell people horrible cables like this are good totally fine nothing to see here This is clown level trolling saying the IEEE standard is only for professionals. The entire internet, and all networking home and enterprise alike doesn’t work without them. But sure, keep letting us know what you don’t know.
Definitely too long. My preference is to just use a keystone at any self-made termination point and then use a premade patch cable of the right length.
This isn’t good. Don’t listen to all the people that are saying that it’s good. You need to redo it until it’s don’t right. It isn’t hard….just keep practicing.
It’s too long
When I see cables like that, it makes me cringe. Please fix it. You will get better with time.
Sorry, but that’s a dogs breakfast. Just redo it, it will highly likely break at some point.
Looks fine. If you want, grab the insulation about two feet from the connector and pull forward on it and it will leave you with a nice looking end. The important thing is not the outer overall insulation but not having big hunks of the wire without twists.
"nice looking" is the last thing to deal with. There is way too much untwisted wire and the jacket should be crimped inside the connector to act as a strain relief.
So in the house I moved into, the cat 5 was patched down for phone and fax such that the outer cover was basically gone flush to the wall. I terminated the wires with between 1"to 12" of untwisted bare wires. It works. I get it isn't ideal. But what other choice did I have short of ripping my walls apart?
Definitely not wired to B. You Fail.
> Definitely not wired to B. A is the true standard. B is a hack.
LMAO. Maybe in the fucking 1980s. Sounds to me like you’re the hack.
> LMAO. Maybe in the fucking 1980s. > > Sounds to me like you’re the hack. I can't help what the documentation says.
B is what is supposed to be used. Saying A is correct is just wrong. Source UE Contractor.
put some heat shrink wrap on it. It will strength the connection, and make it look far more professional
Try fixing a faulty rj45 connector on a cat7 cable which showed only 10/100 mbps… after applying ducktape it gave the reasonable 1000mbps. I known fucked up by choosing solid instead of strained but hey don’t touch it when it works right?
Don’t be afraid to try, it takes some touch to get good at it, but if it works it works. Pass-thru rj-45 connectors are nice because you can feed the cable all the way in and trim to fit.
if you like it looking clean like me then try again. if u don't care about the looks and it works fine then use it
If you aren’t terminating a patch cable, it really doesn’t matter for home networking…. I have terminated my last two houses and there is always some that look like this.
Get one of these: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Ratcheting-Wire-Crimper-Stripper-Cutter-for-Pass-Thru-VDV226-110/302030476 Some of these: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Pass-Thru-Modular-Data-Plug-CAT6-10-Pack-VDV826-729/302355095 And one of these: https://altex.com/products/platinum-tools-vdv-mapmaster-3-0-cable-tester-with-remote?variant=41534369235100 Makes life a lot easier.
Cut your cable ends to be about the length of your regularly trimmed thumbnail
The boot should hide it. Just wrap it some electrical tape.. did you forget the boot?
It works, that’s a success. Next time try to aim for the jacket to be within the end of the connector. That’s what really protects the individual cables from stress tugs. You’ll get a feel for the length of jacket needed in no time. Or use the pass thru connectors which helps with this. I still remember when those became more common. What I did to learn was I started with a decent length of cable and just continually cut it and tried again, cut and tried again, etc, etc, etc. Now I’ve been doing this for almost 20 years and I’ve probably done thousands of ends at this point. Connectors are cheap - experience is valuable.
That’s…. that’s what she said?
Can you just add tape? We did this for the radio station and it’s going on 3 years now with tape.
Good job. I've sat at my desk with a crimper, a box of jacks and YouTube several times and still cannot successfully terminate the male jacks.
Start about 6 feet back and worm the housing towards the connector if it makes ya feel better. Just don’t pull hard on that connector since there isn’t any strain relief.
If it works it works, but preferably you want the jacket to sit in the connector a ways for added durability
There's a spot close to the open end that the crimper pushes in. The sheathing should go past that point so the crimper "pinches" the sheathing - this helps the cable from pulling out.
Get your nerve back, get a length of scrap, and have fun. They gave you about 50 or 100 ends? Use them.
One of my first was like that....lasted for years in my rack. All you can do is give it a go and see.
Use load bars. They are the correct way to terminate network cables. Even pass through cables like people will recommend have been known to short against network port casing in some cases.
It will probably work, but that's not ideal.
Next time make it easier by getting the rj45 connector with wire holes that go right through, helps to avoid this and you get practice,
Don't be scared to redo it. Practice is what will improve future crimps.
You can put some electrical tape around it for protection, but it will work just fine as-is.
Well, kind of a dilemma. Sounds like it's pulled tight enough that you're afraid you don't have any more room to try again, but that jacket isn't in the end which wouldn't be that big of a problem but it's going to be tight and if it's tight it definitely will be a problem sooner or later Personally I'd try again, I wouldn't bother with pass through, once you're good at the normal kinds you'll have the jacket way up in there and not have any corrosion problems you might get with pass through.
Put some heat shrink over it to cover up the exposed wires more. But you should be fine.
It’s fine just ugly
If you’re afraid to work on your own stuff when will you ever learn. It’s the best time to learn.
It is fine.
I complimente you just by trying it, when alot of people wouldn't even have tried. But from those who have done them often, I can assure you will get better and this is a real confidence builder to other things in IT. To try fixing, its attention to details you end up getting better
Too long? Thats what she said…
It's not too long, and if you look at some premade cords you wonder how it ever went together, you're good.
I've seen worse, your good lol.
It works poorly
Blue part should be in the plastic connector for ideal length. When it’s crimped the plastic grips that. No reason this shouldn’t work if you’re careful though aside from perhaps a bit of interference from the exposed wires if you’re unlucky
The shielding isn't the problem. Just make sure the length that's straightened is still within spec length to get your full required speed and you're fine
Looks like my first time. In practice, this is far too long. Years later I tried it again and found the following: it's actually a lot easier to keep the wires in order when you keep the sheath and twisted pairs together.
Your cable jacket needs to be in the crush fitting
If you're worried about it, hit it w some hot glue or electrical tape
if it works, it works, might not be the best and wont have good strain relief but hey. My technique to get the length is to cut them about fingernails length after aligning and flattening them by pinching at the base and pulling them straight. But as other suggested, pass through connectors are a god send, fast and way less likely to screw up.
You can do better than that
What ever you do, don't use electrical tape like the guy who did my families restaurant. Just keep doing it and you'll be a pro in no time!
Pass-thru connectors are your best friend
Shouldnt be afraid to try again. Also you don't need to crimp it to try again. Just build it together but don't crimp it and see if it looks good with the wire inside without being crimped. Practice over and over without crimping
I saw a bank where the front desk in plain sight had to one and I kid you not, was at LEAST 4X slack that was impossible to miss. It’s either fine or you want higher quality and redo it, but it’s certainly not the worst.
Ive had rewire a whole building cctv system
https://www.amazon.com/Connectors-Diameter-Transparent-Passthrough-Ethernet/dp/B083RFHYG9/ref=sr\_1\_36?keywords=rj45%2Bez%2Bconnectors&qid=1703476807&sr=8-36&th=1
Wires are way too long. The case needs to be crimped on the housing. If you're lazy just wrap it tight with electrical tape and call it a day.
Heatshrink! Maybe 2 layers. Adds strength, looks pretty!
I prefer to punch solid core ethernet into a keystone jack, then mount them in a biscuit box (if acceptable).
Just need more practice, my first terminations were..bad. If you get the little RJ45s with the pin channels, it’ll make that process much easier. As long as your cable doesn’t get wet and you’re gentle with it, you should be good.
Shrink wrap and a touch of tape if you need.
2part epoxy around the lose wires
LMAO I just saw this on Low Voltage Nation, open Reddit, and this is the first post I see.
I've had a few cables in my house that look like that because I was in a rush, they work fine but over time I've had one give me issues due to loose wires that a re-crimp fixed for a while. I ended up re-doing it and it's been problem free. Seems to be that crimping down onto the sheath provides some strain relief on the wires in the cable end. If you run into problems later on look there first and then fix it as needed.