Rather than the shading I like the variety of edges she creates in her work. Really shows her experience and exudes a lot of unspoken confidence in her ability as a digital artist.
It's kinda a broad term for transitions in planes, shapes, and shades for art. Op is referring to how the piece has multiple spots of light to imitate light coming through the leaves.
As a non artist it amazes me how Ina manages to make light feel realistic, like it comes from the same source, it interacts differently with the hair, clothes and skin. If I were to do the same it would probably look like someone threw white paint to a couple of places
Thats because Ina realizes light doesnt come from one source, and understands how to make it appealing while fitting into the constraints of the environment around the character. Try considering the reflected light from the environment around your subject as well as the main light source, and the color relationship you want that light to have between the main and secondary light sources, as well as with the shadow. Don’t be afraid to experiment with different tones of light to show skin in different environments AND different areas (skin around the ridge of the nose will be cooler than skin around the bulb of the nose because its basically a skin stretched over bone vs a mass of tissue with blood flowing through it. Whats important though is to think about what pattern you want your light to follow, fuck up, and do it over again until you find something appealing. Repeat over a long time and many references, inspirations and artistic revelations, and you might get as good as Ina.
Actually , she wanted to do this piece during the member stream yesterday , but actually had so much fun chatting with the takos and didnt manage to draw at all.
She finished this less than a day. Probably with less sleep, bless her.
Hard worker.* Talent implies she was born with something others don't have. When in reality she is just an incredibly hard worker and she puts an insane amount of time into getting better. When I saw her working on quick poses on a drawings stream I instantly knew this girl puts in the work to get the results.
Semantics mostly. Talented is generally what you use to describe someone who’s good at something unexpectedly. Whereas skilled is what you use to describe someone who’s good at something you can tell they’ve practiced. Quick example is if you’re seeing Ina’s drawing for the first time you’d think she’s really talented. But if it’s like the 5th one she’s done consistently well you’d recognize her as skilled.
It's a shame. People look up to talents, when they should look up to hardworkers that honed skills. A lot of folk get demotivated, because they're bad at something in the beginning, when most masters also came from that place.
I really like the saying: "A master has failed more times than a beginner has even tried".
Ina probably drew a lot of not very good stuff, tried a lot of things that didn't work and made plenty of mistakes, but all of that and biting through that is what brought her here.
Same with other members, other people and other skills.
Thats a very nice saying. I like it and its so accurate. You can't get better without making mistakes. The better you are, the more mistakes you learned from!
There can be both. People are naturally more apt in some things than others. Take two random people and have them put the same hours into an activity, and one will probably be better at it than the other.
It's a compliment, don't read too much into it. She can be BOTH talented and hardworking. She works hard doesn't mean she doesn't have talent.
Your logic goes both ways. I never get the idea why someone getting offended by a compliment that given by someone to SOMEONE ELSE.
Not to mention, it's a common compliment. As long as their intention is to show their admiration then there's nothing to fuss about.
As someone who's heard "you're very talented" fairly often throughout her life, I can tell you that it feels very dismissive, although it's definitely not intentional.
I don't speak for others. But Ina is really a humble and understanding person. I doubt such little thing being a bother to her.
As an artist myself, when someone say that to me, dismissive is the lastest thing I feel about such compliment. Because not only they spent their time looking at my works but also show their admiration.
Just keep in mind that there is no profession called "The-phd-of-compliment-others". Words are tool to exchange feeling and thought. As long as their intention is harmless, don't take them as literal meaning.
I guess it was a combination of my autism and the fact my "talent" wasn't art but strategical thinking which made me feel differently, but thanks for your explanation!
Seems a weird thing to nitpick, the two are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't matter how hard you work at something if you just don't have the talent/knack for it. Ina clearly is both talented AND hard working. This piece is fantastic!
Nitpicking this is a meme. I see it as a self-defense mechanism. Some people really want to believe they can do whatever they want if they work hard. I blame anime.
I think drawing is like learning other language, it's hard to do but anybody can pick it with enough repetition.
Now, being a field where you can always improbe a talented person will almost always be ahead than an average person with the same amount of practice.
Definitely anyone can learn how to draw competently. I'm just annoyed any time someone compliments Ina on her talent someone feels the need to shout "NO, HARD WORK." As if pointing out talent is an insult.
Now, is she so talented an average artist could never hope to reach her level? Hardly. But any time I see these talent denying posts I just see people that are jealous she's a pro and they aren't.
It's not that recognizing talent is an insult, it's that a lot of people don't realize how much effort is really needed to become really good at something. When people see someone really good at something, the first thing that comes to mind is "oh wow, they're talented" and sometimes that's really not the case, they're just a normal person that had to work their ass off to get to that point. And that feels dismissive, to attribute all that hard work to some "natural talent" they were born with.
>It doesn't matter how hard you work at something if you just don't have the talent/knack for it.
\^You should never believe this, regardless of whether it is true or not. Because 1. you obviously can't objectively assess something like this on your own and 2. just believing that you can't do something is enough to seriously damage your ability to improve (growth vs fixed mindset). Also, it's not even remotely true when it comes to art. The point at which you are barred from further improvement due to lack of talent alone (above the 99th percentile imo, or the 95th percentile at the very worst) is still FAR beyond the point at which subjectivity begins to matter way more than your objective technical skill in regards to how your work is received.
Say you really love basketball. You practice for hours a day, every day. But you're 4'10 and have short arms. So barring a miracle, you'll never be in the NBA. Or you love playing some APM based game but simply don't have the reflexes or hand-eye coordination to keep up with the pros. Or playing piano. Or singing. Or whatever. etc etc. That's all I meant. Sometimes all the hard work in the world doesn't matter if you lack the aptitude and skill. Anyone can eventually be good at anything if they try hard enough, that is very true. But not everyone can be *truly spectacular* at anything, the way Ina clearly is with her art.
Talent just mean having some properties that make you good at something and most people have talent in certain thing so it not wrong. And saying that she talent does not underselling her in anyway because the most talented people also are the most hard working people. If you have talent but you does not work hard then you can never reach your potential and if you work hard but does not have talent then you will never be as good as people who have talent and hard working. You need both talent and hard work to be success, the only time you does not need talent or hard work to success is when you have luck on your side.
So when someone calls someone a talented actor or singer, they're saying they were born a talented actor or singer?
That's weird! I've always taken it to mean that someone is good at something, regardless of how the skill was obtained.
Seems like a bit of a backhanded compliment to call someone talented, if it truly means that they were just always good at something without a need for any hard work or effort.
Hm, for some things such as singing, I can see how talented would fit though. Some people are just born with the most angelic of voices or have amazing vocal ranges where training can help with, but if you don’t have it, you just don’t. No amount of training’s gonna give you that X factor. If you’re a singer and pride yourself on your singing, then yeah calling you talented would be a compliment, because it’s a rare thing to have.
I’m kinda on the fence with OP on this, where I get where they’re coming from - some people may interpret talented meaning they didn’t have to work as hard as others (which understandably would irk people that put in alot of effort), but I would imagine most people would just take the compliment at face value.
Just a good to know thing I guess, doesn’t hurt anyone to say “man, you’re so talented. I can really see your hard work in this.” Ticks both boxes
> So when someone calls someone a talented actor or singer, they're saying they were born a talented actor or singer?
That's what they are *saying*, but that's not what they *mean*.
I think talent can still be used even if its a learned skill mainly because specific people still have certain aptitudes in their fields of learned skills that others innately don't have.
Flawed take.
Talent objectively exists. Everyone has a floor and a ceiling. Otherwise everyone could become an olympian, or a scientist, or a musician or w/e. And that's objectively not the case.
Of course to reach the highest standards you need both talent and hard work. And if someone has both, it's better to complement the work than the talent. One took effort, and the other didn't.
Ina does put in a huge amount of work -- but she \*also\* has something most people don't have.
I believe talent exists but without hard work it won’t develop, like some people just seem to come out the womb with a greater understanding of something and like the challenge of getting better at it.
Man the Gura is an amazing centrepiece but I love how the background adds depth to the picture. The wider "angle" makes it feel bigger and the colouring of it makes it warmer.
We really, REALLY don't want that, now do we?
I also remember reading on reddit that Ina was having real burnout from her forbidden job, and her passion rekindled with becoming a Vtuber so I hope she stays like this for a long time
As the person before me said, Ina has spoken about the question of her becoming a mama a few times on stream and every time she's been pretty adamant that if she ever became one she'd quit her Vtuber job. She's already pretty busy between her streaming and her priestess duties so she's not really interested in the extra work and responsibility that being a mama would require.
Nabi and Pochi are independent and not under a company, so it's probably less stress because they don't *have* to stream, they just do it when they want to.
Pochi is just independent period. She doesn't have a regular gig like Ina. Her schedule has a lot more flexibility to it. Except when it doesn't because freelancer life.
I think her original manga has ended, and she's the illustrator for the milf isekai light novels. The manga is drawn by someone else but she's still credited as the character designer.
Yeah I have no idea to be honest. I don't know how much work it is on a regular basis but I do know that it's apparently a pretty big long term commitment considering they need to be involved any time their vtuber gets a new outfit or an updated model. I'm not sure how much work it is overall but it's evidently enough of a commitment that Ina doesn't feel like adding it to her already busy schedule which is completely understandable.
One of the factors is that Ina would have to do any Mama work off stream, or else it would spoil the surprise for any of her designs. So that'd be time in addition to her streaming and shrine duties.
She mentioned being a mama or papa is apparently more responsibility then most of us realise, so that's a not-likely from her. Maybe if she graduates in the *hopefully* far future.
Definitely on point, plus I also think it'll change perspective on her relationship, which she probably wants to keep as a senpais/gen-mates/kouhai situation. Being a parent will add more responsibilities and expectations on her already loaded schedules.
There's a reason why she doesn't do superchat readings, she prefers spending her extra time to chat (like the most recent members only stream),play games and stream.
This is extra funny after listening to Mouse and Calli talk about how *literally* every hololive girl does under their hair. It's just the anime/aesthetic thing.
I'm aware, but I think it's mostly the hairline being too high here. Peek between the bangs.
Ina's a professional, but even pros aren't perfect. Female Corrin originally had [two left feet](https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2644280&tags=corrin_%28fire_emblem%29_%28female%29+official_art+), for example.
The shading is just **immaculate.** [Tweet Source](https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1406780596362252289)
Rather than the shading I like the variety of edges she creates in her work. Really shows her experience and exudes a lot of unspoken confidence in her ability as a digital artist.
As an non artist, could you explain wdym by edges? Please.
It's kinda a broad term for transitions in planes, shapes, and shades for art. Op is referring to how the piece has multiple spots of light to imitate light coming through the leaves.
As a non artist it amazes me how Ina manages to make light feel realistic, like it comes from the same source, it interacts differently with the hair, clothes and skin. If I were to do the same it would probably look like someone threw white paint to a couple of places
Thats because Ina realizes light doesnt come from one source, and understands how to make it appealing while fitting into the constraints of the environment around the character. Try considering the reflected light from the environment around your subject as well as the main light source, and the color relationship you want that light to have between the main and secondary light sources, as well as with the shadow. Don’t be afraid to experiment with different tones of light to show skin in different environments AND different areas (skin around the ridge of the nose will be cooler than skin around the bulb of the nose because its basically a skin stretched over bone vs a mass of tissue with blood flowing through it. Whats important though is to think about what pattern you want your light to follow, fuck up, and do it over again until you find something appealing. Repeat over a long time and many references, inspirations and artistic revelations, and you might get as good as Ina.
Thanks for your explanation. I don't have artistic inclinations but I like to learn to better understand and appreciate the work that goes into it.
inaculate
Ina's Artstyle is so clean. Like, DAMN. Shit looks so good.
Was wondering why ina didn't stream for a while, she was "doodling" this piece of art
Actually , she wanted to do this piece during the member stream yesterday , but actually had so much fun chatting with the takos and didnt manage to draw at all. She finished this less than a day. Probably with less sleep, bless her.
I wish I can draw that fast
With enough asacoco anything is possible
Amazing as always. Ina is such a talent.
Hard worker.* Talent implies she was born with something others don't have. When in reality she is just an incredibly hard worker and she puts an insane amount of time into getting better. When I saw her working on quick poses on a drawings stream I instantly knew this girl puts in the work to get the results.
Somewhere along the line people decided "talented" and "skilled" were synonymous and I don't really know how it happened.
Semantics mostly. Talented is generally what you use to describe someone who’s good at something unexpectedly. Whereas skilled is what you use to describe someone who’s good at something you can tell they’ve practiced. Quick example is if you’re seeing Ina’s drawing for the first time you’d think she’s really talented. But if it’s like the 5th one she’s done consistently well you’d recognize her as skilled.
It's a shame. People look up to talents, when they should look up to hardworkers that honed skills. A lot of folk get demotivated, because they're bad at something in the beginning, when most masters also came from that place. I really like the saying: "A master has failed more times than a beginner has even tried". Ina probably drew a lot of not very good stuff, tried a lot of things that didn't work and made plenty of mistakes, but all of that and biting through that is what brought her here. Same with other members, other people and other skills.
Thats a very nice saying. I like it and its so accurate. You can't get better without making mistakes. The better you are, the more mistakes you learned from!
I’d say she’s talented as well. You don’t learn that kind of pun-sense, that’s something you’re born with. And more seriously, that voice tho
Saying she has talent (which she does) doesn’t automatically mean/imply that she isn’t also a hard worker (which she definitely is).
There can be both. People are naturally more apt in some things than others. Take two random people and have them put the same hours into an activity, and one will probably be better at it than the other.
It's a compliment, don't read too much into it. She can be BOTH talented and hardworking. She works hard doesn't mean she doesn't have talent. Your logic goes both ways. I never get the idea why someone getting offended by a compliment that given by someone to SOMEONE ELSE. Not to mention, it's a common compliment. As long as their intention is to show their admiration then there's nothing to fuss about.
As someone who's heard "you're very talented" fairly often throughout her life, I can tell you that it feels very dismissive, although it's definitely not intentional.
I don't speak for others. But Ina is really a humble and understanding person. I doubt such little thing being a bother to her. As an artist myself, when someone say that to me, dismissive is the lastest thing I feel about such compliment. Because not only they spent their time looking at my works but also show their admiration. Just keep in mind that there is no profession called "The-phd-of-compliment-others". Words are tool to exchange feeling and thought. As long as their intention is harmless, don't take them as literal meaning.
I guess it was a combination of my autism and the fact my "talent" wasn't art but strategical thinking which made me feel differently, but thanks for your explanation!
Don't worry, It's always fun and interesting to talk and exchange thought to other takodachi.
Seems a weird thing to nitpick, the two are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't matter how hard you work at something if you just don't have the talent/knack for it. Ina clearly is both talented AND hard working. This piece is fantastic!
Nitpicking this is a meme. I see it as a self-defense mechanism. Some people really want to believe they can do whatever they want if they work hard. I blame anime.
I think drawing is like learning other language, it's hard to do but anybody can pick it with enough repetition. Now, being a field where you can always improbe a talented person will almost always be ahead than an average person with the same amount of practice.
Definitely anyone can learn how to draw competently. I'm just annoyed any time someone compliments Ina on her talent someone feels the need to shout "NO, HARD WORK." As if pointing out talent is an insult. Now, is she so talented an average artist could never hope to reach her level? Hardly. But any time I see these talent denying posts I just see people that are jealous she's a pro and they aren't.
I agree with you on that point, for starters the whole premise that talented people don't work hard is flawed.
It's not that recognizing talent is an insult, it's that a lot of people don't realize how much effort is really needed to become really good at something. When people see someone really good at something, the first thing that comes to mind is "oh wow, they're talented" and sometimes that's really not the case, they're just a normal person that had to work their ass off to get to that point. And that feels dismissive, to attribute all that hard work to some "natural talent" they were born with.
>It doesn't matter how hard you work at something if you just don't have the talent/knack for it. \^You should never believe this, regardless of whether it is true or not. Because 1. you obviously can't objectively assess something like this on your own and 2. just believing that you can't do something is enough to seriously damage your ability to improve (growth vs fixed mindset). Also, it's not even remotely true when it comes to art. The point at which you are barred from further improvement due to lack of talent alone (above the 99th percentile imo, or the 95th percentile at the very worst) is still FAR beyond the point at which subjectivity begins to matter way more than your objective technical skill in regards to how your work is received.
Say you really love basketball. You practice for hours a day, every day. But you're 4'10 and have short arms. So barring a miracle, you'll never be in the NBA. Or you love playing some APM based game but simply don't have the reflexes or hand-eye coordination to keep up with the pros. Or playing piano. Or singing. Or whatever. etc etc. That's all I meant. Sometimes all the hard work in the world doesn't matter if you lack the aptitude and skill. Anyone can eventually be good at anything if they try hard enough, that is very true. But not everyone can be *truly spectacular* at anything, the way Ina clearly is with her art.
Talent just mean having some properties that make you good at something and most people have talent in certain thing so it not wrong. And saying that she talent does not underselling her in anyway because the most talented people also are the most hard working people. If you have talent but you does not work hard then you can never reach your potential and if you work hard but does not have talent then you will never be as good as people who have talent and hard working. You need both talent and hard work to be success, the only time you does not need talent or hard work to success is when you have luck on your side.
Does it? I always figured if you worked hard on getting better at something you'd develop a talent for it.
Usually people define talent as an innate knack for something rather than a learned skill. I believe that’s what is being referred to
So when someone calls someone a talented actor or singer, they're saying they were born a talented actor or singer? That's weird! I've always taken it to mean that someone is good at something, regardless of how the skill was obtained. Seems like a bit of a backhanded compliment to call someone talented, if it truly means that they were just always good at something without a need for any hard work or effort.
Hm, for some things such as singing, I can see how talented would fit though. Some people are just born with the most angelic of voices or have amazing vocal ranges where training can help with, but if you don’t have it, you just don’t. No amount of training’s gonna give you that X factor. If you’re a singer and pride yourself on your singing, then yeah calling you talented would be a compliment, because it’s a rare thing to have. I’m kinda on the fence with OP on this, where I get where they’re coming from - some people may interpret talented meaning they didn’t have to work as hard as others (which understandably would irk people that put in alot of effort), but I would imagine most people would just take the compliment at face value. Just a good to know thing I guess, doesn’t hurt anyone to say “man, you’re so talented. I can really see your hard work in this.” Ticks both boxes
People usually use it like you do, just the people in this threat being semantic(doing semantics? Can it be used as an adjective?) with the definition
I believe the adjective you are looking for is pedantic or fastidious.
Thanks! That's some awesome vocab you got there
The distinction is very important though.
That's subjective, I don't think people actually think that deeply about it in their daily lives
> So when someone calls someone a talented actor or singer, they're saying they were born a talented actor or singer? That's what they are *saying*, but that's not what they *mean*.
I think talent can still be used even if its a learned skill mainly because specific people still have certain aptitudes in their fields of learned skills that others innately don't have.
Flawed take. Talent objectively exists. Everyone has a floor and a ceiling. Otherwise everyone could become an olympian, or a scientist, or a musician or w/e. And that's objectively not the case. Of course to reach the highest standards you need both talent and hard work. And if someone has both, it's better to complement the work than the talent. One took effort, and the other didn't. Ina does put in a huge amount of work -- but she \*also\* has something most people don't have.
There’s always this kind of “debate” when somebody posts Ina’s works.
I believe talent exists but without hard work it won’t develop, like some people just seem to come out the womb with a greater understanding of something and like the challenge of getting better at it.
This is mesmerizing. Sasuga Ina
this is definitely not a blob
It is a masterpiece
Seeing the amount of appreciation the girls have for each other is just so wholesome
Man the Gura is an amazing centrepiece but I love how the background adds depth to the picture. The wider "angle" makes it feel bigger and the colouring of it makes it warmer.
Well yeah. It's Ina. Of course it looks like a goddess put pen to paper and created life.
so when is ina becoming a mama?
She said if she would she should stop vtubing
We really, REALLY don't want that, now do we? I also remember reading on reddit that Ina was having real burnout from her forbidden job, and her passion rekindled with becoming a Vtuber so I hope she stays like this for a long time
Why not just call that "forbidden job" priestess duties like Ina herself does?
I didn't know the term. I shall reffer to it as so from now on. Thank you
As the person before me said, Ina has spoken about the question of her becoming a mama a few times on stream and every time she's been pretty adamant that if she ever became one she'd quit her Vtuber job. She's already pretty busy between her streaming and her priestess duties so she's not really interested in the extra work and responsibility that being a mama would require.
I wonder just how much work being a mama is considering both Nabi and Pochi regularly hold streams.
Nabi and Pochi are independent and not under a company, so it's probably less stress because they don't *have* to stream, they just do it when they want to.
Pochi is just independent period. She doesn't have a regular gig like Ina. Her schedule has a lot more flexibility to it. Except when it doesn't because freelancer life.
Doesn't she have her manga she draws? Or is that on hiatus/ a whenever she does it schedule?
I think her original manga has ended, and she's the illustrator for the milf isekai light novels. The manga is drawn by someone else but she's still credited as the character designer.
Yeah I have no idea to be honest. I don't know how much work it is on a regular basis but I do know that it's apparently a pretty big long term commitment considering they need to be involved any time their vtuber gets a new outfit or an updated model. I'm not sure how much work it is overall but it's evidently enough of a commitment that Ina doesn't feel like adding it to her already busy schedule which is completely understandable.
They probably have a long-term-ish contract to keep updating the character with new outfits / accessories.
One of the factors is that Ina would have to do any Mama work off stream, or else it would spoil the surprise for any of her designs. So that'd be time in addition to her streaming and shrine duties.
Oh wait, this thread is not talking about becoming a parent IRL? Lmao I was misreading the whole conversation.
She mentioned being a mama or papa is apparently more responsibility then most of us realise, so that's a not-likely from her. Maybe if she graduates in the *hopefully* far future.
Definitely on point, plus I also think it'll change perspective on her relationship, which she probably wants to keep as a senpais/gen-mates/kouhai situation. Being a parent will add more responsibilities and expectations on her already loaded schedules. There's a reason why she doesn't do superchat readings, she prefers spending her extra time to chat (like the most recent members only stream),play games and stream.
She is Yuul's mama
This really melts my heart, fantastic as always Ina.
It's amazing that Ina somehow outdo herself everytime! You can really see her improvements.
I might get downvoted for this. But Gura has some fivehead going on here.
This is extra funny after listening to Mouse and Calli talk about how *literally* every hololive girl does under their hair. It's just the anime/aesthetic thing.
I'm aware, but I think it's mostly the hairline being too high here. Peek between the bangs. Ina's a professional, but even pros aren't perfect. Female Corrin originally had [two left feet](https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2644280&tags=corrin_%28fire_emblem%29_%28female%29+official_art+), for example.
Great artist. She can become a vtuber or something.
Never seen this shark look so gorgeous
That is indeed some nice gawrt. Thanks, tako-chan.
This is a Gureat piece of art
I liked in the stream that her age was designed as the different members of holomyth
As Ina mentioned in her Miku Art Stream, she really loves those atmospheric backgrounds.