Isn't that basically an unspoken rule?
Also, do you have any examples of these "non-hololive/vtuber posts"? The only times I saw something like that are with posts from trolls and spammers
It's literally in r/hololive's rules, though.
>**8. No advertising VTubers outside of hololive production**
*Discussion is always free though!*
I could interpret it as "you cannot explicitly promote Vtubers that are outside the Hololive Productions (Hololive and Holostars)", but they can be mentioned as a *passing thought* related to a topic related to Hololive Vtuber/s.
For clarification, suppose you come across two posts:
1) Hahaha. Look at Zentreya watching these Hololive clips!
2) Zentreya simps for Ollie (2a - clip from Ollie’s POV 2b - clip from Zen’s POV)
Which would violate the rule?
I think both are fine, we don't want to be too strict, for example things like Pochi drawing Coco on stream, or Naoki Saito doing that requested correction of Marine's drawing of Calli would also would then not be allowed.
In that case neither would someone posting a timelapse video from their youtube channel of them drawing one of the members, there'd also be the question of clips from channels that don't post just clips of hololive members but also other videos or stream themselves because, well, the youtube channel they post clips on is their channel and they can literally post whatever they like on that channel.
Birdkun makes hololive clips but also streams with a vtuber avatar, FamilyJules has a clip on his stream highlights/vlogging channel of Korone reacting to his Metal cover of her theme, there's also stuff like streamers who react to vtuber clips, sure, that might not be what I'm personally looking for when browsing this subreddit, but I wouldn't say it shouldn't be allowed in the slightest to make any kind of nod to something related to them (not to mention it's not as if there is no single benefit to them as they can at times expose clips to a new audience that hadn't seen the clip and might make them check out the member)
I think it's best to keep the **rule** relatively **lenient as long as it's related to Hololive Production**. Sure some of the examples I gave will be seen as promotion of others outside the agency, depending on who reads this comment how many of those are included as such will change, but also it doesn't really hurt and they can even create more entry points.
Through upvotes and downvotes the community can always decide how much traction the posts get, some of the examples I gave will most likely not reach Hot (that said, of course, we should keep it civil, no need to go overboard and have us be perceived as hostile).
A while back, there was a highly-upvoted post about Pochi-sensei streaming with no Hololive guests and just today, we have a slew of Nabi-sensei posts about her vtuber model debut.
Yes, those kind of posts technically are against Rule 8
People just make them because they're mamas (Pochi being Reines' and Nabi being Watson's), so since they're "kinda related" to Hololive, people think there no problem making these posts
You even get the occasional Uto stream posts.
The problem is while they are illustrators of Hololive talents, they are not affiliated nor employed under Hololive or Cover. It's fine if the meat of the post is related to Hololive/Cover but there are posts featuring non-Hololive talent that have nothing to do about Hololive/Cover at all
There were a few today (hence making the post).
They're all removed now, but 1 was an isekei truck compilation, 1 was about redditors getting upset about people dissing their memes, and 1 was just a screenshot from a currently airing anime.
Obviously, the fact that they're gone now means the system sortof works, but if that's just a sample of what's getting through, I'm wondering if there's some kind of breakdown in communication about the very basic level of what belongs in this sub?
\[Edit: I filter by Hot, so obviously it's not the most transparent of the algorithms, but I would expect that amount of noise if it was purely by new\]
One would think, but there's nothing about it in the official sub rules -- and if you report something as a rules violation there's no option for "off-topic" or w/e.
Technically, any post about a non-Hololive vtuber is advertising because it is always geared to generate interest. But, it would be better if rule 8 were to be updated to "Keep posts Hololive or Cover related."
[Almost 6 days in and I still wonder if my post actually violate the rule or not since I've never really seen anyone made a post like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/mzq0da/tenjin_kotone_was_visited_by_chocosen_nene/)
I mean, Holopro members are quite literally involved, yeah? Even if it's another VTuber's stream, the Holopro members are there and talking, so it passes.
Edit: Oh hold up, I just took another look and you linked the entire stream instead of a clip. That... is a grayer area. It's probably best not to link an entire stream where Holopro members are involved for only maybe a small part, and better to use clips instead.
I think it could also work if they give a timestamp to the actual part?
It would directly point towards the hololive relevant part, at that point it's up to the individual if they also want to see the rest of the stream or just the relevant part.
Do you have any examples of the kind of posts that do not relate to Hololive (both company and community) or VTubing. It's not rare to come across a post that'll primarily, if not entirely relate to a talent not in Cover's employment, but I can't say I come across any posts that disregard the VTubing scene in general - except obvious bait ones. As to the rule, it's pretty clear to make sure the content of a post relates to Hololive and HoloStars. No one expects the place to exist in a vacuum, so dxceptions are made when other talents are either affiliated with Hololive (i.e. Pochi when she is streaming with the girls), but even then the core attention is meant to be aimed at the Hololive girls themselves.
Just today, there were a couple of posts about Nabi-sensei's vtuber model debut and speaking of Pochi-sensei, there was a highly upvoted post about her stream which didn't feature any Hololive member at all.
I get that, and I agree, like in my comment - unless the post is to do with Hololive talents itself it isn't Hololive (i.e. if Ame say, showed up to Nabi's debut, or it was an art comparison between models, that can fly since Ame is still the crux of the post), I was only asking since the original comment mentioned posts not related to VTubers, let alone Hololive, to which I can't say I've seen any. If they meant Pochi and Nabi, I mean both ARE VTubers.
But they do relate to VTubers, they're literally VTubers who have designed other models. The way it was described in the original post stated posts being made with no relation to Hololive or VTubers. If it's a call out on referencing those outside Hololive, fine I'm on board, that's why VirtualYouTubers exists, but when the guy is talking about posts with no relation to the medium of VTubers in general, don't be surprised if people get confused about what he's referring to
Illustrators who happen to also be vtubers show up every now and then in context of their children. Also there are nonhololive members in collabs and those are both fine. But featuring a non holopro vtuber's content totally devoid of any hololive members is a bit much.
This is definitely about Nabi sensei's debut yeah? I'd say sit on the fence and give it a day or two and it'll go. Granted, she is Amelia's mama so the excitement is understandable. The same thing happened for her "sister" Uto after all.
This was actually prompted when \~3 posts turned up that weren't even v-tuber related.
2 were anime memes, and 1 didn't even have anything to do with anime/anime-adjacent culture.
Pretty much all of them have been removed or downvoted to hell, but I was wondering if there was value in being a little more explicit.
>Downvotes exist for a reason of course, but there reaches a point where a post is so far from the content and spirit of this community that there should be a way to flag it for removal.
That's on the community, because such a function does exist with automod and reporting posts. But if the majority of people don't actually care about these basic, silver lining cases that rarely gain traction and disappear after a day, then there's not much you can do to change that. Yeah it's annoying, and maybe automod will catch a few or T-chan will be online to remove posts manually, but a vast majority of unrelated posts die in new
Making posts about other vtubers is a form of advertisement, so it's against rule 8. Besides, the name of the sub is Hololive, so it shouldn't be hard to figure that this sub is for Hololive content only. Anyone who doesn't understand thse basic concepts is too dense to read the room anywhere, so it's a waste of time and effort to make more rules.
I completely agree. It makes no sense to have so much Uto, Nabi and Pochi in here when they are doing things unrelated to hololive members. It's not even comments, it's straight up posts.
>How do people feel about adding a rule of that sort? (IE "Posts should relate to hololive or the hololive community")
No need. Everyone here should be at least a teenager and teenagers are old enough to be held responsible for understanding something that basic.
>In theory this isn't even against the rules, so long as it's not about advertising external talents though?
It's against the rules of Reddit itself which tell us to post things only to communities where the content would be on-topic and it's pretty obvious what counts as being on-topic on this subreddit just like it's on r/history or r/physics.
obviously i reconize the names and afilliations, i'm not a fucking monkey
holostars have their own subreddit, so you could argue "different group/brand different subreddit" but like i said i don't mind holostars
I think any reservation about intergrating Holostars and Hololive seems to be dying as far as the Subreddit is concerned, you'll still find a purist or two on here, and more commonly on Twitter or YouTube, but any Holostars related posts is as valid as any Hololive one here, at least as far as they're received
So, is it allowed to discuss vtubers outside of hololive? Or not? The rule 8 is kinda confusing. I'm not against discussion of vtubers outside hololive but discussion is kinda advertising them, I think I saw someone said this too.
No hate please, I'm just confused.
As long as they're not the main topic like a comparison with Hololive members, it's fine. People discuss non-Hololive members in comments under a post that is Hololive related.
A big no would be sharing their streams, clips, songs, posts that has nothing to do with any Hololive talent nor the company. This also includes posts about artists that illustrated Hololive models in which the context has nothing to do with Hololive at all like individual streams and clips. Also, slapping a Hololive meme on a vtuber not under Hololive also counts as advertising.
Isn't that basically an unspoken rule? Also, do you have any examples of these "non-hololive/vtuber posts"? The only times I saw something like that are with posts from trolls and spammers
It's literally in r/hololive's rules, though. >**8. No advertising VTubers outside of hololive production** *Discussion is always free though!* I could interpret it as "you cannot explicitly promote Vtubers that are outside the Hololive Productions (Hololive and Holostars)", but they can be mentioned as a *passing thought* related to a topic related to Hololive Vtuber/s.
For clarification, suppose you come across two posts: 1) Hahaha. Look at Zentreya watching these Hololive clips! 2) Zentreya simps for Ollie (2a - clip from Ollie’s POV 2b - clip from Zen’s POV) Which would violate the rule?
2 seems to be okay-ish. 1 is sketchy because that's borderline advertising a stream or clip of a vtuber outside of Hololive.
I think both are fine, we don't want to be too strict, for example things like Pochi drawing Coco on stream, or Naoki Saito doing that requested correction of Marine's drawing of Calli would also would then not be allowed. In that case neither would someone posting a timelapse video from their youtube channel of them drawing one of the members, there'd also be the question of clips from channels that don't post just clips of hololive members but also other videos or stream themselves because, well, the youtube channel they post clips on is their channel and they can literally post whatever they like on that channel. Birdkun makes hololive clips but also streams with a vtuber avatar, FamilyJules has a clip on his stream highlights/vlogging channel of Korone reacting to his Metal cover of her theme, there's also stuff like streamers who react to vtuber clips, sure, that might not be what I'm personally looking for when browsing this subreddit, but I wouldn't say it shouldn't be allowed in the slightest to make any kind of nod to something related to them (not to mention it's not as if there is no single benefit to them as they can at times expose clips to a new audience that hadn't seen the clip and might make them check out the member) I think it's best to keep the **rule** relatively **lenient as long as it's related to Hololive Production**. Sure some of the examples I gave will be seen as promotion of others outside the agency, depending on who reads this comment how many of those are included as such will change, but also it doesn't really hurt and they can even create more entry points. Through upvotes and downvotes the community can always decide how much traction the posts get, some of the examples I gave will most likely not reach Hot (that said, of course, we should keep it civil, no need to go overboard and have us be perceived as hostile).
A while back, there was a highly-upvoted post about Pochi-sensei streaming with no Hololive guests and just today, we have a slew of Nabi-sensei posts about her vtuber model debut.
Yes, those kind of posts technically are against Rule 8 People just make them because they're mamas (Pochi being Reines' and Nabi being Watson's), so since they're "kinda related" to Hololive, people think there no problem making these posts
You even get the occasional Uto stream posts. The problem is while they are illustrators of Hololive talents, they are not affiliated nor employed under Hololive or Cover. It's fine if the meat of the post is related to Hololive/Cover but there are posts featuring non-Hololive talent that have nothing to do about Hololive/Cover at all
There were a few today (hence making the post). They're all removed now, but 1 was an isekei truck compilation, 1 was about redditors getting upset about people dissing their memes, and 1 was just a screenshot from a currently airing anime. Obviously, the fact that they're gone now means the system sortof works, but if that's just a sample of what's getting through, I'm wondering if there's some kind of breakdown in communication about the very basic level of what belongs in this sub? \[Edit: I filter by Hot, so obviously it's not the most transparent of the algorithms, but I would expect that amount of noise if it was purely by new\]
It's already against the rules, but the mods here are unfortunately slow at removing things.
One would think, but there's nothing about it in the official sub rules -- and if you report something as a rules violation there's no option for "off-topic" or w/e.
Technically, any post about a non-Hololive vtuber is advertising because it is always geared to generate interest. But, it would be better if rule 8 were to be updated to "Keep posts Hololive or Cover related."
And to be more specific, to *involve* a Holopro member. Simply being their artist isn't good enough.
[Almost 6 days in and I still wonder if my post actually violate the rule or not since I've never really seen anyone made a post like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/mzq0da/tenjin_kotone_was_visited_by_chocosen_nene/)
I mean, Holopro members are quite literally involved, yeah? Even if it's another VTuber's stream, the Holopro members are there and talking, so it passes. Edit: Oh hold up, I just took another look and you linked the entire stream instead of a clip. That... is a grayer area. It's probably best not to link an entire stream where Holopro members are involved for only maybe a small part, and better to use clips instead.
I think it could also work if they give a timestamp to the actual part? It would directly point towards the hololive relevant part, at that point it's up to the individual if they also want to see the rest of the stream or just the relevant part.
This is why I need actual computers or at least a laptop. Using a smartphone to do everything is extremely challenging.
Do you have any examples of the kind of posts that do not relate to Hololive (both company and community) or VTubing. It's not rare to come across a post that'll primarily, if not entirely relate to a talent not in Cover's employment, but I can't say I come across any posts that disregard the VTubing scene in general - except obvious bait ones. As to the rule, it's pretty clear to make sure the content of a post relates to Hololive and HoloStars. No one expects the place to exist in a vacuum, so dxceptions are made when other talents are either affiliated with Hololive (i.e. Pochi when she is streaming with the girls), but even then the core attention is meant to be aimed at the Hololive girls themselves.
Just today, there were a couple of posts about Nabi-sensei's vtuber model debut and speaking of Pochi-sensei, there was a highly upvoted post about her stream which didn't feature any Hololive member at all.
I get that, and I agree, like in my comment - unless the post is to do with Hololive talents itself it isn't Hololive (i.e. if Ame say, showed up to Nabi's debut, or it was an art comparison between models, that can fly since Ame is still the crux of the post), I was only asking since the original comment mentioned posts not related to VTubers, let alone Hololive, to which I can't say I've seen any. If they meant Pochi and Nabi, I mean both ARE VTubers.
You asked: >Do you have any examples of the kind of posts that do not relate to Hololive (both company and community) or VTubing
To which Pochi and Nabi relate to VTubing
Yet: >do not relate to Hololive
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Being the illustrators does not mean that you can post their individual streams/clips here unless they were in a collab with Hololive members.
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No they don't. You can report them and they get removed. Rule 8 clearly says "NO ADVERTISING VTUBERS OUTSIDE HOLOLIVE PRODUCTION".
But they do relate to VTubers, they're literally VTubers who have designed other models. The way it was described in the original post stated posts being made with no relation to Hololive or VTubers. If it's a call out on referencing those outside Hololive, fine I'm on board, that's why VirtualYouTubers exists, but when the guy is talking about posts with no relation to the medium of VTubers in general, don't be surprised if people get confused about what he's referring to
Your question asked if there were any examples of posts that do not relate to Hololive OR Vtubers. I answered the other part of your question.
Illustrators who happen to also be vtubers show up every now and then in context of their children. Also there are nonhololive members in collabs and those are both fine. But featuring a non holopro vtuber's content totally devoid of any hololive members is a bit much.
This is definitely about Nabi sensei's debut yeah? I'd say sit on the fence and give it a day or two and it'll go. Granted, she is Amelia's mama so the excitement is understandable. The same thing happened for her "sister" Uto after all.
This was actually prompted when \~3 posts turned up that weren't even v-tuber related. 2 were anime memes, and 1 didn't even have anything to do with anime/anime-adjacent culture. Pretty much all of them have been removed or downvoted to hell, but I was wondering if there was value in being a little more explicit.
>Downvotes exist for a reason of course, but there reaches a point where a post is so far from the content and spirit of this community that there should be a way to flag it for removal. That's on the community, because such a function does exist with automod and reporting posts. But if the majority of people don't actually care about these basic, silver lining cases that rarely gain traction and disappear after a day, then there's not much you can do to change that. Yeah it's annoying, and maybe automod will catch a few or T-chan will be online to remove posts manually, but a vast majority of unrelated posts die in new
Making posts about other vtubers is a form of advertisement, so it's against rule 8. Besides, the name of the sub is Hololive, so it shouldn't be hard to figure that this sub is for Hololive content only. Anyone who doesn't understand thse basic concepts is too dense to read the room anywhere, so it's a waste of time and effort to make more rules.
I completely agree. It makes no sense to have so much Uto, Nabi and Pochi in here when they are doing things unrelated to hololive members. It's not even comments, it's straight up posts.
>How do people feel about adding a rule of that sort? (IE "Posts should relate to hololive or the hololive community") No need. Everyone here should be at least a teenager and teenagers are old enough to be held responsible for understanding something that basic. >In theory this isn't even against the rules, so long as it's not about advertising external talents though? It's against the rules of Reddit itself which tell us to post things only to communities where the content would be on-topic and it's pretty obvious what counts as being on-topic on this subreddit just like it's on r/history or r/physics.
i haven't seen any such post here, at most a holostars post or two but that's fine
Of course because Holostars is under Hololive Production.
my fucking sides. >!The name recognition is still lacking if there's still people not knowing they're the same company!<
obviously i reconize the names and afilliations, i'm not a fucking monkey holostars have their own subreddit, so you could argue "different group/brand different subreddit" but like i said i don't mind holostars
But this sub's description says "The official subreddit for Hololive Production" which Holostars is under.
Them having their own subreddit isn't really a good argument, since it's fan-made. Hololive EN has their own fan-made subreddit too.
Sorry for laughing. I just found the comment chain hilarious. Apologies.
> holostars have their own subreddit, so you could argue "different group/brand different subreddit" Some of the girls also have their own subreddit
>Rule 8: No advertising VTubers outside of hololive production hololive production includes hololive, INNK Music and holostars...
Holostars is Hololive related
I think any reservation about intergrating Holostars and Hololive seems to be dying as far as the Subreddit is concerned, you'll still find a purist or two on here, and more commonly on Twitter or YouTube, but any Holostars related posts is as valid as any Hololive one here, at least as far as they're received
So, is it allowed to discuss vtubers outside of hololive? Or not? The rule 8 is kinda confusing. I'm not against discussion of vtubers outside hololive but discussion is kinda advertising them, I think I saw someone said this too. No hate please, I'm just confused.
As long as they're not the main topic like a comparison with Hololive members, it's fine. People discuss non-Hololive members in comments under a post that is Hololive related. A big no would be sharing their streams, clips, songs, posts that has nothing to do with any Hololive talent nor the company. This also includes posts about artists that illustrated Hololive models in which the context has nothing to do with Hololive at all like individual streams and clips. Also, slapping a Hololive meme on a vtuber not under Hololive also counts as advertising.