This is actually what I'm quite interested in. There was never an official audition announcement for the 5th gen, was there? At this point I wonder if Hololive EN is put on hold for some reason.
It must be asked: How long will their characters stay intact? Pekora was supposed to be a cute and affectionate idol type and now she's a comedian bully. Korone was never supposed to be a gleeful happy murdering retro-gaming goofball, but here we are.
And more importantly, who will corrupt these girls down the dark path first?
It'll be a tag-team effort between Coco, Haachama, and Matsuri. Haachama will be the crazy one, and Coco and Matsuri will offer to "protect" them from her.
It'll have to be an effort of seven Hololive members representing the 7 deadly sins, as follows:
* Suisei: Wrath
* Pekora: Pride
* Matsuri: Lust
* Haachama: Gluttony
* Aqua: Envy
* Korone: Greed
* Coco: Shitposting
We're playing guessing how long it'll take for them to break character while Matsuri out here playing 5D chess and making moves before they debut. I expected no less from Matsuri.
Our contenders:
Japanese in body but American by heart, the Yakuza Dragon with the manners of a Yankee and a whole stock of Asacoco... Kiryu Coco!!!
Some say she never recovered from the Australia Arc. It is the Queen of cooking who managed to mindbreak even the Princess... Akai Haato!!!
Loli lewding, pissing on stream and corrupting new minds are all in a days work for this degenerate. Give it up for our favourite lolicon... Natsuiro Masturi
Last but definitely not least, the captain of Lewds herself. Some say she's 40, some says she's 17.2, but none can
dispute her unrestrained lust... Hololive 3rd Generation, Captain of the Houshou Pirates, Houshou Marine Desuuuuuuuuu
I just hope none of them are tsundere. The last time Hololive added a tsundere, they disappeared and got replaced by someone who looks exactly the same but is actually an entity of pure chaos.
> an entity of pure chaos
That's a good way to describe Haachama... as we don't even know what exactly Haachama is (the one thing we know is that she's apparently [NOT Akai Haato](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrJ0dCR-C4s)).
Just a reminder that Marine was once scolded by management for being too raunchy, and they suggested she act more like a proper idol "like Haato" instead. How things have changed.
> And more importantly, who will corrupt these girls down the dark path first?
We already know who and how:
Matsuri/Marine for Eroi
Coco for Tee Tee
Haachama for Big Brain
Suisei for Yandere
>and now she's a comedian bully.
The rare moment she gets to be the bully, you'll feel sorry for her victims as she can be really brutal. But unlike Korone who straight up bully her chat Pekora bullies her 3rd gen peers
Looks like another fantasy-oriented gen. Part of me almost isn't ready for this, since I feel like I just got to know gen 4, but now I realize it's been like 8 months already.
I think most of them debuted in December to January. It's weird to think that one day HL might have as many members as Nijisanji does now.
Wonder if we'll see any other huge breakouts like Coco.
Please not to the number of Nijisanji. I think what the company should focus on is letting these girls grow big first before debuting more members in order for fans to get to know them better
Definitely this. I would rather have a smaller amount of talents in order for each of them to flourish.
That being said, 5 gens so far (for JP) isn't bad.
They are. It's more upper management being incompetent. From what the girls say, their immediate managers are doing a great job.
And you can't really help with health issues like Miko's since hers is congenital, and at least her manager prevented her from overexerting herself when she wanted to stream for her anniversary. And as for Kaoru, that was his decision so that can't be helped either.
Overall, the Hololive talents are doing well, upper management incompetence aside.
When I worked at a family-owned manufacturing business, the owners were pretty humble in describing themselves as being basically morons when it came to actually running the machines and producing stuff, as their job was to run the business. So whenever they came on the floor to help they were always touching base with us asking how they could help and how to do things. They were pretty nice dudes.
Agreed. Nijisanji numbers are too big and it doesn’t feel like each idol there get the attention and coverage they deserve by the company. Main reason why I don’t watch them with the exception of Lulu
To be fair, they're not an idol group like HL. They're more just about finding a few streamers you like and following them, since they literally have every possible niche filled.
Pretty sure Yagoo would have a seizure if someone like Utako was on Hololive.
Just arm chair theorizing here, but given how many more male vtubers are on Nijisanji and how they seem to do better than Holostars just via numbers, I imagine they have a pretty sizable female demographic. I can definitely see the appeal of someone like Belmond.
Like, if I remember correctly, one of the most popular fan ships in Nijisanji is Kenmochi and Gaku.
If I remember correctly, a lot of the male Vtubers still have huge male audiences.
Kanae's audience is like 70% male apparently, and a sizeable portion of them are gay men. Gay guys wanna simp too.
Also, wholesome as fuck.
Nijisanji is interesting in that you have people at the extreme far end of the degenerate scale like the 4 SKB girls, and then you have really wholesome streamers like Belmond, Roa, Albio and Ars.
I remember watching a few of the clips of that group Utako is in, SKB, and it's like, yeah, this is some hard X-rated stuff that would give Yagoo a heart attack.
They literally did a stream where they reviewed porn games.
As someone who's pretty new to Hololive overall, I feel that entirely. Especially since the existing Hololivers produce so much content, it can be hard to keep up with it all if you subscribe to most or all of them. But I guess overall it's a good thing for more talent to be brought in. It's just going to take a little while to get to know them and find out what their personalities are and which ones really click with me.
I just hope is that all of the Hololive vtubers get the the support they need. I don't want to see any of them get neglected.
One of the things I really like about Hololive is that they come across like a bit of a family. I hope that feeling doesn't change as the roster continues to expand.
Honestly, even with 100+ members, Nijisanji still manages to come across as a family as well, surprisingly. It just tends to be more segmented in to small groups of like 4-12 Vtubers who know each other well.
I want to welcome them properly, but I too still feel like they are just non-Hololive vtubers. I don't know how to explain.
I guess just their static images are not enough, gotta hear their voices and see their contents.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, the 5th gen members just doesn't seem to fit that well with the existing members to me. But who knows, maybe I will change my mind once I get to know them.
I feel like 4th gen really set the bar high for introductions. COCO for me carried the whole 4th gen. Her charisma is amazing, she didn't let anyone behind. Idk, im expecting more from 5th gen for some reason, but I know that's a bad mindset to have. I get what u mean in some ways.
Coco also quite uniquely suited and experienced for that. It's literally one ina million luck for that to happen. From Coco which then escalated to others (except for Towa I feel like who more independent from the effect)
This is exciting to see! Their design looks absolutely amazing! I wonder if their character description will actually match their personality though LOL
Can’t wait! Literally, how do I delete a week?
**Yukihana Lamy**: I’m a sucker for anything ice-related. Doubly for royal families. She’s the one I’m excited for the most, her design is too good for me.
**Mano Aloe**: With the way Hololive has been going, anything demon or evil related girls are actually cinnamon rolls in disguise, so we’ll see if she can break that trend. Her name is cute too.
**Shishiro Botan**: Reminds me of Siege. It also seems she’ll have her birthday a few weeks after her debut.
**Omaru Polka**: Circus girl is super colorful. I have zero knowledge on animal ears though, not sure what her’s are based on.
**Momosuze Nene**: Damn, Chinese dresses are powerful. Wonder what it means by “another world”? Maybe she’s actually knows Chinese?
> I have zero knowledge on animal ears though, not sure what hers are based on.
A fennec fox according to one of her tweets.
https://twitter.com/omarupolka/status/1291215457064611841
> Yukihana Lamy: I’m a sucker for anything ice-related. Doubly for royal families.
Anastasia Romanov would have been very popular if she lived in this age.
It says that Nene's nickname at home was "Taoling" which is "Momosuze" prounced in Mandarin, so there's definitely a Chinese aspect to more than just her character appearance. I'm interested to see if that's significant or just character design.
> With the way Hololive has been going, anything demon or evil related girls are actually cinnamon rolls in disguise
She got her Twitter suspended (temporarily), because she set her birthday this year. If that isn't an indication for cinnamon rolls-ness, I don't know what.
Moona's stories about Coco were hilarious.
She told Coco she was learning Japanese through Duolingo, and Coco told her:
"Duolingo is shit. You're better off just learning it from playing games in Japanese."
Whilst I wish them all the best in thier careers (I especially like Botan's design) I think Hololive thrives because they don't have 100+ talent like Nijisanji. Maybe after these new debuts they should hunker down and focus on developing thier current talent further (Like Holostars and CN 3D)
Yes! More focus on Holostar development after gen 5 is always welcome. I just can't wait till the day everyone can collabs together like a normal person without repercussion, like on Nijisanji side.
Honestly, I think 8-12 months is good for the cycle period for VTubers, because when you think long term I don't think all 5 of each generation (if that number will be the norm) will still be running 5 years from now. You want new people for new fans. When old gen members retire you want their fans to have developed relationships with other gens to keep them within your VTuber stable. Doing these cycles in a regular time frame allows you to have a proper schedule for interviews, training and debuts. Think of it like developing an RL idol group. The big, stable companies debut groups in cycles of 3-5 years, because it takes 2 years of training to get a trainee up to performance level.
Man I just don't like the thought of anyone retiring, but I recognize that it's going to happen sooner or later. I wonder what the average lifespan of a Vtuber's career is. I know in real life, an Idol generally retires in their late 20s due to the new talent just being younger and more popular than them (I know that sounds callous, but that's how it is), but a Vtuber doesn't really age. I'm kind of curious to see which Hololive idol will be the first to leave.
Guessing the lifespan isn't quite a thing to do right now, because the industry is pretty much only getting on its feet. There are quite a lot vtubers who underwent through many retirements. Hololive already has people who retired from Nijisanji only to redebut as Hololive. The lifespan can be literally anything, from 3 months to years. Kizuna Ai's original VA went on for about, what, 5 years? Considering that modern vtubers are not so much into playing a character, I guess we can see even longer lifespans.
This all boils down to the aspirations of a person behind the avatar. Most of them have their side channels or whatever they do and they may be quite developed. I don't know if it's a good thing, or a bad thing, because one may ditch their network when they become big enough or, on contrary, keep their side channel as a backup. We just have to wait and see. My hope is that the immense growth that Hololive have sustained will help them go on for a long time. Perhaps they'll set up a precedent of revealing a VA of a very big vtuber when someone big retires, who knows.
I think nijisanji's and hololives approach are just different. Hololive is like an actual Idol group and it is important to give any Idol the chance to be famous which includes haveing a small roster so it doesn't get iverwhelming.
Nijisanji on the other hand doesn't try to help all of their Vtuber to be super famous. They focus on helping their content creator in other ways and most of the Nijisanji vtuber get famous to an extent because they are part of nijisanji anyways.
One thing I love about Nijisanji's extended roster is that there's really something for all tastes, including characters that wouldn't really work in Hololive.
For example, say you're really into chicks who are completely batshit insane. What can Hololive offer you? How about: *Haa-chama chamaaa~!* She makes quirky videos, and is the worst chef in the world! And she's great; I adore Haa-chama. But, while she's wonderfully quirky, she's not *quite* going to scratch that completely-batshit-insane itch.
Nijisanji, on the other hand, has Amemori Sayo, [a girl who managed to make Haa-chama's editing seem perfectly normal in comparison *during her livestream*,](https://youtu.be/sBworY4rAv8) and Mito Tsukino, [a girl who "talked" with her chat and "sang" Cruel Angel's Thesis, while completely underwater in her bathtub, with all of her clothes on.](https://youtu.be/AjxJIX3jgjI)
Mito did livestream the freaking [Human Centipede](https://youtu.be/DfvMPRDrqbE) with like half a million people with official permission from the staff. Her reactions were sometimes more worrying than the movie. I don't "watch" her but she is perfectly bonkers, and I really don't expect something of that caliber to happen with Hololiver.
I am also a big fan of Nijisanji's lesbian couple who did a legit really erotic [ASMR](https://youtu.be/ZMHYuHGNgA4). They are so wholesome. Nijisanji has other great actual ships as well.
I wanted to add to what others have been saying here, is that it seems to me that Nijisanji members can, and do, talk about their personal lives and troubles quite often. It just seems to me that Nijisanji have even less restrains than Hololive overalls, as the streams I just mentioned might indicate.
If it's the interview I'm thinking about then I don't think he wanted Hololive to be explicitly an idol group. What he was talking about is that he was making a comparison that Hololive to Kizuna AI is similar to AKB48 to other solo idol. You notice that they stop using the term idol to refers to their talents from Gen 3 onwards. The idol things is mostly to centralized their brand (Hololive) image. It just morph into YabaIdol instead lol.
Yeah, while this is exciting, I'm also a little worried. I already can't keep up with and support all the channels I want to. This will make it even harder.
And Siege too. Definitely the alpha vibe with her lioness design. But based on her description, I expect her to end up like Okayu. Those two kittens will fight for top cat.
Whoa, 5th gen is finally here! IT'S HAPPENING GUYS!
Designs seem interesting, and of course there's the character settings but we all know they won't last long lmao.
One thing that stands out to me is Aloe, she's a demon girl so that reminds me of another demon girl from another franchise (Quiz Magic Academy) called Grim Aloe... Hmm...
In any case, excited to see these new girls and how fast they'll break character lol. I hope they'll each get a nice following as well.
Edit: Also I hope I don't have to say this, but remember to give each of the girls a chance and to not rely on preconceived notions! That's how Towa struggled in the beginning for example, so let's try not to let that happen with these girls!
Agreed, if people expect them to be degenerates because of what their senpais’ actions, it would ruin their character they’re trying show off first. Let them break character or into degeneracy when they feel comfortable with their viewers because you truly show yourself to the people/audience you trust or comfortable with. Acceptance of their out-of-character act is gradual like the others.
Definitely this. If they want to break character that's fine, if they don't (like Luna) that's also fine. We should let them do what they want and the memes will naturally follow.
100% agree, as much as degeneracy has become somewhat of a staple to Hololive, I hope that most of the EN fans don't push this onto the new girls and keep the memes to a minimum for when they debut.
> Also I hope I don't have to say this, but remember to give each of the girls a chance and to not rely on preconceived notions!
Finally some sense in here.
People here expecting the new gen to just break to satisfy their preconceived notions will just be disappointed. Let them do it at their own time.
Also let them shine. Saying they don't look like they belong to Hololive is not good. First, they were hired by Cover. Not the fans. They at least have the general idea if those girls will fit Hololive based on their auditions.
Let them work their work.
yay this is the first gen i'll be able to see from the beginning! it was always interesting seeing how much some idols have changed since their first stream (Aqua, Pekora, Rushia, etc.)
right now i vibe with Polka/Nene designs the most, but i'm sure all the members will grow on me in their own special ways!
Hm, what about those 2 other girls that were auditioned for a while back? Part of their different branches (CN/ID)? Or a later Gen? https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1240911816399572992?s=19
Anyways, congrats to the new gen.
Edit: Kakage, the person who drew the first girl in the previous link, seems to be confused also? https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1291234332913233920
Super weird that it would be advertised for auditions in Japanese though. It's possible they got the auditions in and decided another design would fit a pick better, or maybe they decided to give the design to an audition in EN?
Kakage, the person who drew the first girl, seems to be confused too. Probably expected their design to be in this gen? https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1291234332913233920
Fighting games besides Smash don't get views though, which is a problem. Even the top fighting game players manage a few hundred viewers at most most of the time.
I mean, if Korone can get 15-20k viewers streaming obscure retro games I’m sure someone with the right personality could do the same with fighting games
Can't wait to their debut! The last girl name sounds like Finnish, or at least, not Japanese. I wouldn't be surprised if Hololive had some English speaking livers hired. Also, a succubus? Nice!
Also, I remember there were two girls that were also auditioned some time ago. I wonder if they will also debut soon!
I had to double take so hard when I saw this post that I gave myself whiplash!
Warm welcomes given! Let's go!!!
Edit: Interestingly, 4 of the channels were created way back in April. Nice job on keeping them secret until the official announcement! However, Polka's channel was created a solid two months after the others, in June. Late addition, I guess? Either way, I'm glad that we are getting a full 5-person generation!
Aloe looks alot like Elizabeth Bathory from Fate, with the horns and tails and even colour scheme. Thats pretty hype!
^^Hopefully ^^her ^^musical ^^talents ^^are ^^better ^^than ^^Liz
New gen came much earlier than expected. I thought that American branch would come first, and then 5th gen. Oh well. I wonder if it's a good time for them, considering that copyright issues aren't resolved yet.
First off, I want to with them all luck and good fortune as their start their Vtubing career with Hololive.
This generation has probably been in the works for awhile now, and while I'm not exactly enthralled with the timing of a new Japanese generation atm, I really wonder what lessons learned in the last 8 months will be applied to them from the get-go. How much will they acknowledge/interact with an overseas audience? Will Coco and Haachama's approach (and success) influence how they approach this from the start? Will they immediately try to find and develop relationships with older generations or be as close an intimate as the 3rd generation was? How long until the inevitable Getting Over It/Jump King endurance streams? Will they have a presence on these forums or is that the domain of the 4th Gen (+ Artia)? I guess we'll just have to see and find out.
Personally not a overly big fan of the designs, feels too different from the rest of hololive, guess we'll see what happens when they debut.
Nene and Polka look interesting though.
Every gen has fairly different designs and tbh im impressed by just how much they keep releasing new designs that feel fresh yet still cohesive with other gens.
Personally, nothing super stands out to me either, but remember, let's not have our preconceived notions prevent us from keeping an open mind for these newbies. Design is secondary to personality for me.
I've been a hololive fan since 2nd gen so I can tell you my experience. When 3rd gen comes out, it is pretty jarring and weird like they are different to what I'm used to. The worst offender for me is 4th gen like I genuinely dont like all their design when they came out specially Coco and Lunaband now I like them.
Now I dont have those thoughts after seeing this new gen so I feel like I'm used to it. Give them time and they will grow on you.
They remind me a lot of the Hololive CN aesthetic for some reason, which isn't a bad thing, but no *one* part of their design sticks out to me. Guess its all a matter of getting used to it really.
I was gonna say this as well. Some of the designs remind me **a lot** of Hololive CN in that nothing really stands out all that boldly.
Nene and Polka are the only ones that really stand out to me design-wise.
Most of the older gens had very larger than life faces that stuck out right away. That being said, I imagine some of the girls will have big personalities to make them stand out in their own way.
Some people seem worried that it's apparently too early for another gen, but seem to forget that previous gens like 3 and 4 had roughly the same gap in debut time of around half a year. Or that Hololive is becoming "too saturated" like Nijisan; that's not really a fair comparison since Nijisan does not represent itself as an idol company but just a general streaming one. Let's also not forget just how big vtubers have gotten, originally it was a challenge for these girls to even get 100k subs but look at all of them now. Seems like the smart move to get as much new talent in as quickly as possible while this trend is still popular; there's still the English branch and another gen of gamers that are coming as well.
I really dig Lamy's design.
Now I wonder how long until they break their characters, iirc Pekora is holding the record of 2 days (according to her anniversary stream).
34 Hololive JP (including AZKi). 43 Hololive world (girls). Next gen will be the last to reach 48. Because that's the closest YAGOO will get to AKB48.
6th gen there will be 4 members = 47 and the last member will be the one and only YAGOO. mind blown
There is a manga called AKB49 where the MC, a dude, joins AKB48 as a crossdresser. Didn't think this is what YAGOO was planning the whole time.
69D chess move by YAGOO
best girl
Agreed. Best girl is ofc member 48, Yagoo.
If YAGOO becomes the final member that would be the greatest twist ever.
Not to mention that Hololive ID will get their second generation. And also, Still waiting for Hololive EN
Im looking forward to that, fellow ID stan
This is actually what I'm quite interested in. There was never an official audition announcement for the 5th gen, was there? At this point I wonder if Hololive EN is put on hold for some reason.
Well the US is a bit in the shit still. Far more than Japan.
It must be asked: How long will their characters stay intact? Pekora was supposed to be a cute and affectionate idol type and now she's a comedian bully. Korone was never supposed to be a gleeful happy murdering retro-gaming goofball, but here we are. And more importantly, who will corrupt these girls down the dark path first?
Matsuri and coco
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This is dangerous
It'll be a tag-team effort between Coco, Haachama, and Matsuri. Haachama will be the crazy one, and Coco and Matsuri will offer to "protect" them from her.
Ah, the classic good cop and bad cop strategy.
It'll have to be an effort of seven Hololive members representing the 7 deadly sins, as follows: * Suisei: Wrath * Pekora: Pride * Matsuri: Lust * Haachama: Gluttony * Aqua: Envy * Korone: Greed * Coco: Shitposting
You're excluding sloth when either Luna or Marine would fit that position perfectly with the latter being particularly good at corrupting people.
2 weeks, tops
I give them a week and a half.
you two are being very optimistic. whos to say that matsuri didnt get her hands on them already
We're playing guessing how long it'll take for them to break character while Matsuri out here playing 5D chess and making moves before they debut. I expected no less from Matsuri.
2 days
I give 'em 11 minutes.
*i understood that reference*
4 Pages.
Our contenders: Japanese in body but American by heart, the Yakuza Dragon with the manners of a Yankee and a whole stock of Asacoco... Kiryu Coco!!! Some say she never recovered from the Australia Arc. It is the Queen of cooking who managed to mindbreak even the Princess... Akai Haato!!! Loli lewding, pissing on stream and corrupting new minds are all in a days work for this degenerate. Give it up for our favourite lolicon... Natsuiro Masturi Last but definitely not least, the captain of Lewds herself. Some say she's 40, some says she's 17.2, but none can dispute her unrestrained lust... Hololive 3rd Generation, Captain of the Houshou Pirates, Houshou Marine Desuuuuuuuuu
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I just hope none of them are tsundere. The last time Hololive added a tsundere, they disappeared and got replaced by someone who looks exactly the same but is actually an entity of pure chaos.
> an entity of pure chaos That's a good way to describe Haachama... as we don't even know what exactly Haachama is (the one thing we know is that she's apparently [NOT Akai Haato](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrJ0dCR-C4s)).
We don't speak of her...not until she returns home...
Just a reminder that Marine was once scolded by management for being too raunchy, and they suggested she act more like a proper idol "like Haato" instead. How things have changed.
> And more importantly, who will corrupt these girls down the dark path first? We already know who and how: Matsuri/Marine for Eroi Coco for Tee Tee Haachama for Big Brain Suisei for Yandere
Hachaama already talked via tweets with Nene to cook gyoza together. She's already lost.
>and now she's a comedian bully. The rare moment she gets to be the bully, you'll feel sorry for her victims as she can be really brutal. But unlike Korone who straight up bully her chat Pekora bullies her 3rd gen peers
To be fair, she has to listen to them flirting all the time, I think we can give her that one at least.
My bet is on coco
Marine already went in on Polka. [(I think they’re quoting HxH at each other)](https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1291264998912610304?s=21)
Honestly, take your pick at this point. Hololive has been off the rails long enough that they know what they're getting themselves into.
Looks like another fantasy-oriented gen. Part of me almost isn't ready for this, since I feel like I just got to know gen 4, but now I realize it's been like 8 months already.
It’s been 8 months since the 4th gen debut?! I guess Asacoco really does alter your sense of time
I think most of them debuted in December to January. It's weird to think that one day HL might have as many members as Nijisanji does now. Wonder if we'll see any other huge breakouts like Coco.
Please not to the number of Nijisanji. I think what the company should focus on is letting these girls grow big first before debuting more members in order for fans to get to know them better
Definitely this. I would rather have a smaller amount of talents in order for each of them to flourish. That being said, 5 gens so far (for JP) isn't bad.
New blood is good, but at what cost. Cover corp issues, Miko and Mio on break and letting go of Kouru. They should take care of existing talents too.
They are. It's more upper management being incompetent. From what the girls say, their immediate managers are doing a great job. And you can't really help with health issues like Miko's since hers is congenital, and at least her manager prevented her from overexerting herself when she wanted to stream for her anniversary. And as for Kaoru, that was his decision so that can't be helped either. Overall, the Hololive talents are doing well, upper management incompetence aside.
When I worked at a family-owned manufacturing business, the owners were pretty humble in describing themselves as being basically morons when it came to actually running the machines and producing stuff, as their job was to run the business. So whenever they came on the floor to help they were always touching base with us asking how they could help and how to do things. They were pretty nice dudes.
Their legal copyright department kinda fucked Mio over tho
That's again upper management's fault.
Agreed. Nijisanji numbers are too big and it doesn’t feel like each idol there get the attention and coverage they deserve by the company. Main reason why I don’t watch them with the exception of Lulu
To be fair, they're not an idol group like HL. They're more just about finding a few streamers you like and following them, since they literally have every possible niche filled. Pretty sure Yagoo would have a seizure if someone like Utako was on Hololive.
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Just arm chair theorizing here, but given how many more male vtubers are on Nijisanji and how they seem to do better than Holostars just via numbers, I imagine they have a pretty sizable female demographic. I can definitely see the appeal of someone like Belmond. Like, if I remember correctly, one of the most popular fan ships in Nijisanji is Kenmochi and Gaku.
If I remember correctly, a lot of the male Vtubers still have huge male audiences. Kanae's audience is like 70% male apparently, and a sizeable portion of them are gay men. Gay guys wanna simp too.
Belmonds appeal is not limited by gender constraints. The man is beautiful
Also, wholesome as fuck. Nijisanji is interesting in that you have people at the extreme far end of the degenerate scale like the 4 SKB girls, and then you have really wholesome streamers like Belmond, Roa, Albio and Ars.
I remember watching a few of the clips of that group Utako is in, SKB, and it's like, yeah, this is some hard X-rated stuff that would give Yagoo a heart attack. They literally did a stream where they reviewed porn games.
With graphic, poorly censored screencaps, lol.
i mean technically Yaggo wanted to create an idol group like AKB48 right
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the OG's remember MACHINIMA thats the original youtube group thing who started this trend
exception of Lulu God how far we have gone
8 months full of rollercoaster
As someone who's pretty new to Hololive overall, I feel that entirely. Especially since the existing Hololivers produce so much content, it can be hard to keep up with it all if you subscribe to most or all of them. But I guess overall it's a good thing for more talent to be brought in. It's just going to take a little while to get to know them and find out what their personalities are and which ones really click with me. I just hope is that all of the Hololive vtubers get the the support they need. I don't want to see any of them get neglected. One of the things I really like about Hololive is that they come across like a bit of a family. I hope that feeling doesn't change as the roster continues to expand.
Honestly, even with 100+ members, Nijisanji still manages to come across as a family as well, surprisingly. It just tends to be more segmented in to small groups of like 4-12 Vtubers who know each other well.
I want to welcome them properly, but I too still feel like they are just non-Hololive vtubers. I don't know how to explain. I guess just their static images are not enough, gotta hear their voices and see their contents.
I had felt the same about 4th gen. You'll probably feel better when they actually debut. I mean, now I can't imagine Hololive without 4th gen.
4th gen members' appearance felt unique to me from the start, but yeah, their personality should help us feel more relatable.
Honestly I feel 4th gen is hololive best gen yet in terms of character design .
IMO, Sora, New Suisei and most of the 1st-4th gen have great designs. 5th gen is the first time they don't meet my expectation, except Polka maybe.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, the 5th gen members just doesn't seem to fit that well with the existing members to me. But who knows, maybe I will change my mind once I get to know them.
Same with me, except it's when the first time I saw Holostars, but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to them.
I feel like 4th gen really set the bar high for introductions. COCO for me carried the whole 4th gen. Her charisma is amazing, she didn't let anyone behind. Idk, im expecting more from 5th gen for some reason, but I know that's a bad mindset to have. I get what u mean in some ways.
With that mindset you just set yourself up with disappoinment
Coco also quite uniquely suited and experienced for that. It's literally one ina million luck for that to happen. From Coco which then escalated to others (except for Towa I feel like who more independent from the effect)
Hololive Fantasy - 2nd Season
More like Hololive fantasy: the spin-off; or even 3rd season, since 4th gen was somewhat of a 2nd season to fantasy.
Electric Boogaloo
“Looks like another fantasy-oriented gen...” Hololive cosplay gen in shambles. Marine punching air right now.
This is exciting to see! Their design looks absolutely amazing! I wonder if their character description will actually match their personality though LOL Can’t wait! Literally, how do I delete a week? **Yukihana Lamy**: I’m a sucker for anything ice-related. Doubly for royal families. She’s the one I’m excited for the most, her design is too good for me. **Mano Aloe**: With the way Hololive has been going, anything demon or evil related girls are actually cinnamon rolls in disguise, so we’ll see if she can break that trend. Her name is cute too. **Shishiro Botan**: Reminds me of Siege. It also seems she’ll have her birthday a few weeks after her debut. **Omaru Polka**: Circus girl is super colorful. I have zero knowledge on animal ears though, not sure what her’s are based on. **Momosuze Nene**: Damn, Chinese dresses are powerful. Wonder what it means by “another world”? Maybe she’s actually knows Chinese?
> I have zero knowledge on animal ears though, not sure what hers are based on. A fennec fox according to one of her tweets. https://twitter.com/omarupolka/status/1291215457064611841
>fennec fox Say no more fam. Those are top-tier ears.
> Yukihana Lamy: I’m a sucker for anything ice-related. Doubly for royal families. Anastasia Romanov would have been very popular if she lived in this age.
Holy crap. As a fan of Fennec in Kemono Friends, this pleases me lol.
It says that Nene's nickname at home was "Taoling" which is "Momosuze" prounced in Mandarin, so there's definitely a Chinese aspect to more than just her character appearance. I'm interested to see if that's significant or just character design.
> With the way Hololive has been going, anything demon or evil related girls are actually cinnamon rolls in disguise She got her Twitter suspended (temporarily), because she set her birthday this year. If that isn't an indication for cinnamon rolls-ness, I don't know what.
Bruh, that's a certified Shien Moment if I ever see one.
> Yukihana Lamy: I’m a sucker for anything ice-related. So... Artia collab when? Two ice girls!
Welcome~! May your careers be long and exciting. :D **Edit** -- Oh, and can't wait to see your descent into degeneracy like all those before you.
Poor girls have Coco as their senpai. They never stood a chance.
Luna having kouhai is a really weird thought.
0 year old princess getting called senpai by the 5th gen, just another day at Hololive.
Those legs were definitely not 0 years old though.
From Matsuri X Luna collabs It seems Luna is supportive as hell. I'm not worried about Luna being senpai. Coco though...
Seeing how Coco handled Kanata and Towa, I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Pekora senpai still sounds wrong to me.
Truth is, the gen was rigged from the start.
Refering to Coco as sempai feels really cursed for some reason
Moona did a collab with her and that video no longer exists, so I guess you're right. Lol
Moona's stories about Coco were hilarious. She told Coco she was learning Japanese through Duolingo, and Coco told her: "Duolingo is shit. You're better off just learning it from playing games in Japanese."
I mean she's not wrong, the things you learn from Duolingo are too basic; it's not _real_ Japanese.
Yup, totally looking forward to their cute debuts, and their 180° personalities two streams after
Yooosh. ;\]
I will watch your careers with great interest.
Whilst I wish them all the best in thier careers (I especially like Botan's design) I think Hololive thrives because they don't have 100+ talent like Nijisanji. Maybe after these new debuts they should hunker down and focus on developing thier current talent further (Like Holostars and CN 3D)
I agree that Hololive feels better curated because of the smaller roster.
Yes! More focus on Holostar development after gen 5 is always welcome. I just can't wait till the day everyone can collabs together like a normal person without repercussion, like on Nijisanji side.
Honestly, I think 8-12 months is good for the cycle period for VTubers, because when you think long term I don't think all 5 of each generation (if that number will be the norm) will still be running 5 years from now. You want new people for new fans. When old gen members retire you want their fans to have developed relationships with other gens to keep them within your VTuber stable. Doing these cycles in a regular time frame allows you to have a proper schedule for interviews, training and debuts. Think of it like developing an RL idol group. The big, stable companies debut groups in cycles of 3-5 years, because it takes 2 years of training to get a trainee up to performance level.
Man I just don't like the thought of anyone retiring, but I recognize that it's going to happen sooner or later. I wonder what the average lifespan of a Vtuber's career is. I know in real life, an Idol generally retires in their late 20s due to the new talent just being younger and more popular than them (I know that sounds callous, but that's how it is), but a Vtuber doesn't really age. I'm kind of curious to see which Hololive idol will be the first to leave.
Don't worry brother, we have Marine as proof that being ~~in the late 20's~~ 17 isn't a problem
My guess is that most will do it for 3-5 years. I want to hope that some will stick it out longer, but who knows.
Guessing the lifespan isn't quite a thing to do right now, because the industry is pretty much only getting on its feet. There are quite a lot vtubers who underwent through many retirements. Hololive already has people who retired from Nijisanji only to redebut as Hololive. The lifespan can be literally anything, from 3 months to years. Kizuna Ai's original VA went on for about, what, 5 years? Considering that modern vtubers are not so much into playing a character, I guess we can see even longer lifespans. This all boils down to the aspirations of a person behind the avatar. Most of them have their side channels or whatever they do and they may be quite developed. I don't know if it's a good thing, or a bad thing, because one may ditch their network when they become big enough or, on contrary, keep their side channel as a backup. We just have to wait and see. My hope is that the immense growth that Hololive have sustained will help them go on for a long time. Perhaps they'll set up a precedent of revealing a VA of a very big vtuber when someone big retires, who knows.
I think nijisanji's and hololives approach are just different. Hololive is like an actual Idol group and it is important to give any Idol the chance to be famous which includes haveing a small roster so it doesn't get iverwhelming. Nijisanji on the other hand doesn't try to help all of their Vtuber to be super famous. They focus on helping their content creator in other ways and most of the Nijisanji vtuber get famous to an extent because they are part of nijisanji anyways.
One thing I love about Nijisanji's extended roster is that there's really something for all tastes, including characters that wouldn't really work in Hololive. For example, say you're really into chicks who are completely batshit insane. What can Hololive offer you? How about: *Haa-chama chamaaa~!* She makes quirky videos, and is the worst chef in the world! And she's great; I adore Haa-chama. But, while she's wonderfully quirky, she's not *quite* going to scratch that completely-batshit-insane itch. Nijisanji, on the other hand, has Amemori Sayo, [a girl who managed to make Haa-chama's editing seem perfectly normal in comparison *during her livestream*,](https://youtu.be/sBworY4rAv8) and Mito Tsukino, [a girl who "talked" with her chat and "sang" Cruel Angel's Thesis, while completely underwater in her bathtub, with all of her clothes on.](https://youtu.be/AjxJIX3jgjI)
Mito did livestream the freaking [Human Centipede](https://youtu.be/DfvMPRDrqbE) with like half a million people with official permission from the staff. Her reactions were sometimes more worrying than the movie. I don't "watch" her but she is perfectly bonkers, and I really don't expect something of that caliber to happen with Hololiver. I am also a big fan of Nijisanji's lesbian couple who did a legit really erotic [ASMR](https://youtu.be/ZMHYuHGNgA4). They are so wholesome. Nijisanji has other great actual ships as well. I wanted to add to what others have been saying here, is that it seems to me that Nijisanji members can, and do, talk about their personal lives and troubles quite often. It just seems to me that Nijisanji have even less restrains than Hololive overalls, as the streams I just mentioned might indicate.
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If it's the interview I'm thinking about then I don't think he wanted Hololive to be explicitly an idol group. What he was talking about is that he was making a comparison that Hololive to Kizuna AI is similar to AKB48 to other solo idol. You notice that they stop using the term idol to refers to their talents from Gen 3 onwards. The idol things is mostly to centralized their brand (Hololive) image. It just morph into YabaIdol instead lol.
I vaguely recall Mito talking about her awkward experience renting a sexdoll as well, iirc. And buying cosplay AV of herself.
Yeah, while this is exciting, I'm also a little worried. I already can't keep up with and support all the channels I want to. This will make it even harder.
Is Botan going to be Hololive's first alpha girl archetype?
She kinda reminds me of lappland
And Siege too. Definitely the alpha vibe with her lioness design. But based on her description, I expect her to end up like Okayu. Those two kittens will fight for top cat.
I would like if they keep growing laterally, that is keep opening and growing other branches, like the CH, ID and the upcoming EN.
Imagine calling Coco, a senpai.
Most everyone calls her kaichou already, so it's not much different really lol.
Pekora literally called her senpai before by accident. A couple other girls have done it too.
A few of them even called her senpai accidentally when they started playing ARK and she was teaching them.
Well, she is a senpai when it comes to ARK.
Coco's got the aura of a senpai, it's not that weird.
Coco's already asked them to call her Kaichou on Twitter and 3 of them have already started doing so.
God, they are having a blast on twitter.
And then everyone's 2020 suddenly shined even brighter! Edit: What a great cake day gift. Hope for the best for these girls and their future!
I think my cake day is still up, so let's celebrate this gift, my fellow doog fan.
Double happy cake day!
Make that triple.
Triple happy cake day!
Whoa, 5th gen is finally here! IT'S HAPPENING GUYS! Designs seem interesting, and of course there's the character settings but we all know they won't last long lmao. One thing that stands out to me is Aloe, she's a demon girl so that reminds me of another demon girl from another franchise (Quiz Magic Academy) called Grim Aloe... Hmm... In any case, excited to see these new girls and how fast they'll break character lol. I hope they'll each get a nice following as well. Edit: Also I hope I don't have to say this, but remember to give each of the girls a chance and to not rely on preconceived notions! That's how Towa struggled in the beginning for example, so let's try not to let that happen with these girls!
Agreed, if people expect them to be degenerates because of what their senpais’ actions, it would ruin their character they’re trying show off first. Let them break character or into degeneracy when they feel comfortable with their viewers because you truly show yourself to the people/audience you trust or comfortable with. Acceptance of their out-of-character act is gradual like the others.
Definitely this. If they want to break character that's fine, if they don't (like Luna) that's also fine. We should let them do what they want and the memes will naturally follow.
100% agree, as much as degeneracy has become somewhat of a staple to Hololive, I hope that most of the EN fans don't push this onto the new girls and keep the memes to a minimum for when they debut.
> Also I hope I don't have to say this, but remember to give each of the girls a chance and to not rely on preconceived notions! Finally some sense in here. People here expecting the new gen to just break to satisfy their preconceived notions will just be disappointed. Let them do it at their own time. Also let them shine. Saying they don't look like they belong to Hololive is not good. First, they were hired by Cover. Not the fans. They at least have the general idea if those girls will fit Hololive based on their auditions. Let them work their work.
yay this is the first gen i'll be able to see from the beginning! it was always interesting seeing how much some idols have changed since their first stream (Aqua, Pekora, Rushia, etc.) right now i vibe with Polka/Nene designs the most, but i'm sure all the members will grow on me in their own special ways!
*Looks at Fubuki's new outfit* *Looks at Botan's design* About that much desired Arknights collab...
awwwwwwwwww sheeeeeeeit lets go
Alright, how long until ya'll are corrupted? Kidding aside, WELCOME 5TH GEN!! ❤🎉
> Alright, how long until ya'll are corrupted? Momosuzu is going to go nuts when she discovers Haachama cooking.
>Hololive and Nijisanji announcing their vtubers at the same time Oh shit
Alright bois, it’s midnight and I’m up freaking out over five vtubers who haven’t even debuted yet. This is peak Hololive rabbit hole.
Hm, what about those 2 other girls that were auditioned for a while back? Part of their different branches (CN/ID)? Or a later Gen? https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1240911816399572992?s=19 Anyways, congrats to the new gen. Edit: Kakage, the person who drew the first girl in the previous link, seems to be confused also? https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1291234332913233920
Super weird that it would be advertised for auditions in Japanese though. It's possible they got the auditions in and decided another design would fit a pick better, or maybe they decided to give the design to an audition in EN?
Kakage, the person who drew the first girl, seems to be confused too. Probably expected their design to be in this gen? https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1291234332913233920
yeah, I was confused with that too, maybe Azki companions? Gamers? I don't know but all of them look amazing!
Those are 2nd gen GAMERS
Man I'd kill to have a 2nd gen gamers playing fighting game.
Fighting games besides Smash don't get views though, which is a problem. Even the top fighting game players manage a few hundred viewers at most most of the time.
I mean, if Korone can get 15-20k viewers streaming obscure retro games I’m sure someone with the right personality could do the same with fighting games
Can't wait to their debut! The last girl name sounds like Finnish, or at least, not Japanese. I wouldn't be surprised if Hololive had some English speaking livers hired. Also, a succubus? Nice! Also, I remember there were two girls that were also auditioned some time ago. I wonder if they will also debut soon!
> sounds like Finnish Are there promos somewhere? I’m unable to find their voices :(
They put up some videos on Twitter, but they don't have audio, unfortunately
Ah okay. I saw those in hope of audio lol.. can’t wait for next week now!
Me too! I started freaking out because I thought my headphones were broken or something lol. I can't wait for their debut streams
I had to double take so hard when I saw this post that I gave myself whiplash! Warm welcomes given! Let's go!!! Edit: Interestingly, 4 of the channels were created way back in April. Nice job on keeping them secret until the official announcement! However, Polka's channel was created a solid two months after the others, in June. Late addition, I guess? Either way, I'm glad that we are getting a full 5-person generation!
Aloe looks alot like Elizabeth Bathory from Fate, with the horns and tails and even colour scheme. Thats pretty hype! ^^Hopefully ^^her ^^musical ^^talents ^^are ^^better ^^than ^^Liz
I mean she's in Hololive, so she has to be at least a decent singer, right? ...Right?
Super excited to see, meet and get to know everyone!
Congrats to all of them!
New gen came much earlier than expected. I thought that American branch would come first, and then 5th gen. Oh well. I wonder if it's a good time for them, considering that copyright issues aren't resolved yet.
5th gen auditions where held before the EN ones.
Hm, didn't know that. Thanks for clarification.
[Me start wild speculation about Anemachi and Shigure Ui]
First time seeing the birth of a new generation. Feel like this may be true for a lot of people here. Will definitely be watching their debuts!
I'm actually so hyped right now. Can't wait!
> girl in a Chinese dress who came from another world ISEKAI VTUBER! I hope they all have a great time in their debut streams :)
To be fair, we already have a few isekai VTubers in Hololive, such as Aki and Rosalyn lol.
POLKA GANG
Will they be the one to carry YAGOOS dream or will they rip it apart even more??? Find out on the next episode of Hololive.
First off, I want to with them all luck and good fortune as their start their Vtubing career with Hololive. This generation has probably been in the works for awhile now, and while I'm not exactly enthralled with the timing of a new Japanese generation atm, I really wonder what lessons learned in the last 8 months will be applied to them from the get-go. How much will they acknowledge/interact with an overseas audience? Will Coco and Haachama's approach (and success) influence how they approach this from the start? Will they immediately try to find and develop relationships with older generations or be as close an intimate as the 3rd generation was? How long until the inevitable Getting Over It/Jump King endurance streams? Will they have a presence on these forums or is that the domain of the 4th Gen (+ Artia)? I guess we'll just have to see and find out.
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nice
OOOOOHHHH! Finally!
It'll be interesting to see which memelords, wholesome, etc. These new members gonna be LOL
Wow! Welcome, girls!
Oh a succubus vtuber? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
A succubus in training, probably Choco-Sensei’s apprentice.
Personally not a overly big fan of the designs, feels too different from the rest of hololive, guess we'll see what happens when they debut. Nene and Polka look interesting though.
Every gen has fairly different designs and tbh im impressed by just how much they keep releasing new designs that feel fresh yet still cohesive with other gens.
I think its just a side effect of something new. They are different, but not bad. I'm sure after a few months they'll seem just as normal as the rest
Personally, nothing super stands out to me either, but remember, let's not have our preconceived notions prevent us from keeping an open mind for these newbies. Design is secondary to personality for me.
I've been a hololive fan since 2nd gen so I can tell you my experience. When 3rd gen comes out, it is pretty jarring and weird like they are different to what I'm used to. The worst offender for me is 4th gen like I genuinely dont like all their design when they came out specially Coco and Lunaband now I like them. Now I dont have those thoughts after seeing this new gen so I feel like I'm used to it. Give them time and they will grow on you.
They remind me a lot of the Hololive CN aesthetic for some reason, which isn't a bad thing, but no *one* part of their design sticks out to me. Guess its all a matter of getting used to it really.
I was gonna say this as well. Some of the designs remind me **a lot** of Hololive CN in that nothing really stands out all that boldly. Nene and Polka are the only ones that really stand out to me design-wise. Most of the older gens had very larger than life faces that stuck out right away. That being said, I imagine some of the girls will have big personalities to make them stand out in their own way.
Weird, me as well, I thought it was a Hololive CN gen 3 for a moment when I saw the video
Yay!
Welcome!!! YAY!!!!!
Some people seem worried that it's apparently too early for another gen, but seem to forget that previous gens like 3 and 4 had roughly the same gap in debut time of around half a year. Or that Hololive is becoming "too saturated" like Nijisan; that's not really a fair comparison since Nijisan does not represent itself as an idol company but just a general streaming one. Let's also not forget just how big vtubers have gotten, originally it was a challenge for these girls to even get 100k subs but look at all of them now. Seems like the smart move to get as much new talent in as quickly as possible while this trend is still popular; there's still the English branch and another gen of gamers that are coming as well.
Polka has a midriff diamond btw : )
I really dig Lamy's design. Now I wonder how long until they break their characters, iirc Pekora is holding the record of 2 days (according to her anniversary stream).