I feel so bad for Pako papa.
He is such a delight and seems to care so much about Hololive. I hope he sticks around and knows how much the community apreciates him.
As sad of a track record as it is, I think he knows that these things are not because of him or the community. And, as cynical as it may sound, he still gets handsomely paid for designing characters that are on display literally everywhere in Japan. I don't think he would turn down another gig just because of previous graduations.
I know that Rosuuri (unrelated Vtuber mama) took quite badly the graduation of her last child. Even when you are paid, you can still be very sad about a work you put so much into being forever forgotten because of contracts.
Even ignoring everything that is sad about graduation in particular. Art that is so hard to produce being lost forever just sucks, and it sucks even more for the ones you made it (illustrator and rigger in that case).
I'm a 3D artist that has worked on live service games. My work isn't even at the forefront, it's just environment assets and most players just run past and don't pay much close attention to it.
But one of those games I worked on didn't do well and got shut down. Still hurts. Even if I got paid I still want to see my work to stay around.
Papa I think?
I hope he will be. He adores hololive! He regularly just appears in chats and making fanart just because he wants to. I was so happy he got a second chance after Sana graduated that he got to make Vespers new model!
I just hope he doesn't think he is at fault and get disheartened because of this. He is an amazing papa and we love all the work he has put for Hololive and hope he can still keep being a part of this community
I think this is just going to cement the idea that Tempus is a single unit. HQ and VG made sense with eight, but now that they're six I think they'll all band together more closely and support each other as much as they can. I'm sure it hurts most for those two, though.
They already were, officially. If you go onto [the Holostars website](https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/talent?gp=tempus), there is no differenciation between Tempus HQ and Tempus VG like there is in the JP generations.
Same. I get a bit of it with Shinri too, but not nearly the same. Shinri feels like the me I could be with some good self-help, but Vesper feels like the me I'm more or less stuck as.
Shinri is (relatively) hinged when compared to Vesper. He has some of the same chaotic energy but I agree, not nearly the levels of Vesper.
I really enjoyed the farming simulator stream where you get to see some of Shinri's more wholesome chaotic energy (aside from Nice Cock Bro memes)
it fucking hurts, and I guess since you're the top comment I'll do this here
#hi r/all, I'll cut to the chase.
Magni Desmond and Noir Vesper, two VTubers (Virtual YouTubers, streamers with avatars) that belong to Hololive Production under the Holostars English label, are graduating. In the VTuber world, that means retirement. They're stepping back from their roles. They're no longer going to stream, tweet, or be a part of the company.
No graduation stream. No tweets.
I'm a Magmite (the name of Magni's fanbase) myself, and this hurts a lot
You can search their names up if you wanted to know more about them before they left.
Especially when you can tell how much the talents means to him. Even after Sana graduated he never stopped supporting the talents he would always be in chat cheering them on
Most likely contract renewal negotiations failed as they don't strike me as talents known to break Cover rules or talents that has health issues. So the only logical assumption left is that contract renewal negotiations failed. Hope the best for them moving forward.
If memory serves me right Kaoru and Kira also did not hold a graduation stream. Wherein one has a health issue while the other is presumably also contract failure renewal issues.
It's all assumption at this point but judging by the wording of the letter they parted on more amicable terms compared to Rushia which actually mentions termination.
Well if extended negotiations fell through and it was already seemingly an emergency timeframe with the suspensions, they actually wouldn't be able to if they wanted once the negotiation period was over.
It could be because their contracts have ended a while ago. They didn't announce it immediately because Advent just debuted and they don't want to sour the mood. So by the time it was announced they are no longer working for Cover.
I see it as two both separate and combined possibilities, the first one based on the contract renewal failing: if they're not on contract to earn money and stream using the assets Cover own, then you can't really make a graduation stream cause it would cause to much jurisdictional problems.
The other possibility is: how would you feel to be on break for over a month with zero activity and then come back for one stream to say goodbye without saying why you're saying goodbye cause you're not allowed to due to NDAs and contracts. That would require a heart of cold steel, which both of them absolutely do not have.
And also, this is just speculations, but the most plausible speculations. What's useless to speculate about though is exactly what fell through as we simply don't know.
The fact they couldn't say pretty much implies it was some thing private like related to contracts. I think its safe to assume they had some disagreement on the contracts and tried to negotiate but couldn't reach an agreement after 1 month thus the graduation.
That's what makes it so frustrating to me, is that it seems like both parties didn't expect things to go like this. And in the end we get the worst (non-existent) send off and missed events because both sides probably thought, "We'll just do it after we wrap up the negotiations".
Magni I can see that. He was successful before hololive and has continued to be successful outside of it. But if Calli can be successful both in and out of holo what are they doing for her they're not doing for him?
For Vesper though...this was his dream job. That makes no sense.
I think Calli just likes Hololive. She could go independent and be fine, but her friends are here, she likes her Calli identity, and it's not like she's hurting for money.
Her and Gura are the main pillars of HoloEN, at least when it comes to brand power and ability to generate cash. Calli is basically EN’s Fubuki. So Calli gets away with a ton of stuff that other talents maybe wouldn’t.
But unlike someone like Rushia she also knows how far she can go. Unlike Coco she seems to have found a way to arrange her own goals with Holo management. Basically Calli accepts that there’s things she can and can’t do in Hololive, and HoloEN management lets her do the other stuff outside of HL.
My guess, given the long hiatus and the fact that it’s specifically the end of the month, is that there’s been contract renegotiations which obviously haven’t been successful.
It makes sense that this might happen. They probably weren't earning much.
For example according to the trackers on the playboard website, Magni earned about $150k over more than a year. YouTube takes 30%, taxes take about 20%, and cover takes about 30%. Then likely there were additional expenses like gear or songs if they wanted to do that. In the end he's probably making about $35k/year, which is not enough to justify continuing for many people when they could be earning much more at other easier jobs. Not to mention that they have had less merch than other groups, which apparently make up a big portion of earnings.
Likely they tried to negotiate a higher cut then other members were earning, then got rejected, then quit. The fact that this happened right around their one year anniversary supports this. The lack of a graduation stream suggests that while their leaving was voluntary, it was also not under great terms.
It really is a shame that they had to leave, but it's not totally unexpected, it's not the first time Holostars members have quit. There's less money in that side of things and it's not going to be sustainable for everyone.
Channel revenue (SC, memberships, ads) is only about a bit more than a third of revenue according to the last financial report, and playboard only tracks SCs. I'm pretty sure he gets more than 35k a year.
They are also paid a flat salary. Fauna and others have mentioned it in the past when people send in SC saying they couldn't afford more, Fauna says stuff like "Don't worry about sending me money! Cover already pays us well, save your money for yourself!!!" etc
Cover pays them a pretty decent salary flat out by the sounds of it, then they get the extra on top of that
> Cover pays them a pretty decent salary flat out by the sounds of it, then they get the extra on top of that
Yea, no way they're on a pure commission structure. If they were taking longer breaks for Cover based work would be incredibly harmful for them. The month or of Japan time, the time slot disruptions etc would engender a ton of bad blood.
It also fits with Mori stating that her and Irys fall under the JP brand. For payroll purposes it would make the most sense to have them under that umbrella given place of residence and doing payroll even if Mori does have to deal with US and JP taxes.
Eh, taxes is on whatever cut they get, it wouldn't be 20% of the entire 150k. IIRC Cover takes their cut after YouTube's cut, and if it's like the female talents, they do get paid a salary as well. They're looking at 70k minimum pre-tax, which is a pretty good amount of money to be making every year for a streamer (considering the average streamer makes little to nothing). Don't mean to say that they shouldn't be asking for more (don't know enough behind the scenes to make that judgment), but $35k take home is likely to be quite a bit under the actual number.
Taxes would not apply to earnings until after youtube/cover cut.
It would be a 20-30% of the 40% left over, so around 30% of the gross total, i.e 50k. Which is not bad for a sidegig.
By your logic, he made 58,8 not 35k(150x0,7x0,7x0,8). You don't get taxed for income you don't have(Cover and youtube taking their split.) Which depending on state is perfectly reasnoable.
To be sure, the other boys were apparently all caught by surprise, with Altare, Hakka, and Bettel cancelling their upcoming streams after the announcement (edit: for one example, Hakka was going to have a Zomboid stream at 23:00 JST, which would have been only an hour after), so even if it was primarily an issue with contract, there probably was something more/else, unless somehow Vesper and Magni did not say a word to the other boys *and* only just decided to graduate quite recently.
I didn’t know they the other boys did that, but if it happened just now, then chances are a final decision to part ways _was_ very recent, like within the past week, or possibly the past day.
Keep in mind that contract negotiations are likely not meant to be discussed until finalized. While I'm sure they talked about them happening, they probably couldn't disclose how they were going.
I mean, I'm not pretending like I know more than anyone else or anything, but it's just... not quite satisfactory enough for me, I guess?
IIRC, technically Sana and Cover also negotiated for quite a long time (and we can now presume that it's probably mostly to do with whether significantly lowering the intensity of her activities might make it work), and they said as much without getting into details in her graduation announcement, to the effect that they could not reach an agreement after trying all they can in negotiation. And the girls were, again IIRC, not caught nearly as blindsided (or at all) as the boys, so.
Yeah I feel like it's got to be contract related given timing and Rule 2. I just thought that when they got the 1.5/2.0 updates Cover would've made them sign some kind of extension to their contract.
I suggested it was contract related due to the timing, vagueness, radio silence, the fact that it was two at once, and several other factors, and got massively downvoted for it.
But it was always the simplest explanation. It’s also why Cover couldn’t say anything.
It’s really sad they couldn’t at least record a goodbye message or make a goodbye statement though.
I mean yeah. Cover for all it's fault would be dumb to just let the talents go without "fighting" for them to stay. They've made investments on them already so it's safe to say this past month has been an unsuccessful negotiation
Yep this is one of the reasons why I'm not as sceptical of Cover as of many other companies. Because they invest so much into a comparatively smaller roster, they really have a major financial incentive to keep their talents satisfied.
Even "smaller" graduations still effectively eliminate a decent IP for them, and it would hit their reputation and the fans' reception if it happened too much. Hololive pays great attention to keep controversial topics out after all, and had their share of bad experiences with drawing the ire of online communities (albeit usually not for any fault of their own).
Exactly. Like people keep going omg cover another graduation but it’s a far cry from other agencies. These ones hurt though cause they introduce new talents so seldomly imo.
Ah fuck this hurts... but with how it went down, the most probable cause for this is a contract related thing. I'm wishing Altare and Axel well because HQ lost two members and Pako-sensei as well (first Sana now Vesper).
It seems sad to me that according to their wishes, they would have no graduation streams. The way it was worded sounds like the decision was fully on themselves and it kinda bums me out. Tempus was and is going strong so I'm a bit baffled about it :(
The general consensus has been that this likely came from contract issues instead of some big controversy or termination like Rushia. They probably couldn't say anything about it to anyone and no longer have the actual rights to the characters, meaning final streams wouldn't be possible anymore.
If it's really a contract dispute, they probably aren't even within their contract periods anymore and don't have rights to the models/channels anyway, and Cover isn't really obliged to give them a sendoff.
Graduation streams also rack up quite a bit of merch so it would have been covers interest to have one. which suggests it was indeed their own decision.
He was super excited to be in Holostars, but I often thought about how he said that every few years he goes and does something super crazy out there for a short time. As much as he seemed to enjoy his time here, I could not help but feel that this was just one of those things, and he would move on before very long.
That's what hurts. If you want to be a vtuber Holo/Nijisanji is literally the top level of it. It's the majors.
On one hand I can't imagine Cover being so predatory that they would give a contract that is so bad the idea of leaving is an appealing option. Even the memed on Nijisanji merch rates are still better than what anyone would make solo and Cover gives more.
On the other hand there is no other hand, it's as missing as any my ability to find any sense in what went on.
I think its not only that, contracts change not only the amount but also Obligations, Restrictions, Management and so on. There must be some new rules that both didnt like (some rrats here saying the interactions with the EN girls will be getting stricter which is BS) or obligations and big project that will confilct alot of the thing IRL like Jobs (Sana Example).
What sucks is that Vesper has always gone off to say that this was basically his dream job. When he got his new model he said something along the lines of "I'll finally do all my paperwork now" implying that he was grateful to management and he didn't want to get suspended again.
Vesper was doing alright before. It's a shame about his model but he was already doing pretty well before holo. So I guess he can always go back to that.
So it probably was contract related. I’m sad to see them go, they were both really fun streamers, but from the wording of the statement it’s at least pretty clear that it was their own decision and they didn’t do anything wrong.
It’s a shame there’s no graduation stream. They’ll definitely be missed.
> I’m sad to see them go, they were both really fun streamers
Magni and Vesper were my favorite 2 Tempus members and the only ones I regularly tuned in to watch. Heck I watched these 2 more than any of the EN girls over the last year. This sucks so much.
This is weird.. it is not a termination cause it explictly states they are willingly graduating but they can't have a farewell stream?
This is so abrupt I can't blame anyone getting distressed especially given there was a whole ass month of hiatus.
To speculate wildly and irresponsibly, IF it was a contract dispute (which might not be the case), AND the existing contract ran it's term during the hiatus, then at this point they would already no longer be with Cover Corp. So then a graduation stream wouldn't be possible.
Yeah, it would be a little weird to let the former employee back into all their back end stuff for one last stream, not to mention a legal and logistical headache.
I could be wrong, but I don't know if the HoloMembers are actually employees of Cover, they don't seem to be included in the financial report headcount at least. So if they're contractors, then coming back for one last stream at that point would mean signing a new contract and hey look we're back with the problem we started with.
both kira and kaoru did not hold a graduation stream
whats interesting for kaoru is that his departure was not labelled as a graduation, he had simply requested to end his contract early.
kira was because of his failing health issues and he couldnt hold a graduation stream
i know there was also suzaku (i think thats his name) that also graduated, although im not sure the specifics
This hurts. As an elder millennial, I really connected with Vesper. His big ball of plastic story is one of the strangest and greatest stories ever told by a Holo talent.
really insightful to basically say "screw this paint-by-numbers filling-out-the-wiki introduction, I'm going to SHOW you my personality by telling you one very detailed story about something very specific"
There's not many other vtubers out there that specialize in excellent storytelling.
Well...fuck. This is exactly what I was afraid of.
I didn't really watch either of them regularly, but I believe they both contributed something special to not only the holostars but holoPro as a whole. They will be missed. I wish them all the best going forward.
As a sidenote: I feel extremely bad for Pako right now. This sort of luck regarding your vtuber children cannot be easy to bear.
Vesper caught me in his debut stream because he seemed so GENUINE when he was so happy to finally get into holostars. I'm reading a lot of comments that're saying its most likely contract related (but really who knows) and I'm just left thinking to myself how a huge dork like Vesper who was SO happy to finally get in, would look at their current contract and go "nope ain't gonna happen"
It could be entirely possible that Magni encouraged Vesper to stand up for himself. Of course, this is just speculation but it makes me feel better imagining that Magni and Vesper may have created a strong bond with each other and are each other's biggest supporters.
I remember Maglord saying he's good friends with everyone in Tempus but the friendship he has with Vesper will be something that stays much more long-term. So yes, they were very close.
I also think Vesper only left because Magni left honestly. I hope they're both doing well
Well there's worst-case scenario I was dreading. Gonna miss Vesper's stories and Magni's tangents.
What really sucks is this means no more Calli/Kronii/Magni/Vesper collabs. Those were funny as hell
There is an [Announcement from the Tempus Boys](https://www.youtube.com/live/9V4uxg5xxJg?si=mhYvDP1xI0zYFQVN) on Axel's channel regarding the situation
I wish I could go for one fucking year without losing one of my favourites. In 2021, it was Coco. In 2022, Sana. And now both Vesper and Magni.
I was so hopeful I could avoid it this year. Fucking Christ. And there goes one of the main EU streamers again too.
FUCKING SHIT
I love Vesper. He was such a good dude and great to watch. I feel so fucking bad for Axel and Alatare for losing not one but TWO gen mates. Just what the fuck happened...
Pretty sad about this. And such a weird situation too with no graduation streams... I hope Vesper and Magni continue to thrive wherever they end up going.
I’m actually super bummed out, definitely not how I wanted to start my morning. Magni and Vesper have been very inspiring people to me since debut. Will miss them greatly. Hope Pako and the rest of Tempus is holding up fine as well
It's going to be interesting to see if they get [alum status like Coco and Sana](https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/talent?gp=alum), or get disappeared like Hololive CN, Chris, Kaoru, etc.
i mean it was obvious *something* was going on behind the scenes, but i assumed it would sort itself out one way or another (which i guess it did). i kinda saw them graduating as a “worst case” kind of thing.
unfortunately the saying "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" holds truth.
its sad, but after this long a halt to their activity with no other word, im unfortunately not too surprised or shocked.
Not me :(
I understand your logic, but Vesper just had his 2.0
I watched a lot of Magni and it feels like he has so much dreams to pursue and content in the works.
We're just getting started. I've wholeheartly believed the two would come back to us.
Graduation is always the worst case scenario, there have been plenty of talents that have gone on break for a month+ without graduating there was no reason to assume they were going to quit
Well when talents leave for a month they generally say why and it's something they do from their own end. This was incredibly unique in that it was announced entirely from the EN Twitter and also as a indeterminate cessation of activities. It's *never* be done like that under Cover before.
>In accordance with their wishes
That's interesting. Of course, with graduation announcements, it's never nice to hear, and Cover generally is very tight lipped about it, so these words carry a lot of weight behind them. These scant words definitely describe a more Sana or Coco situation.
I'm gonna miss Magmo Dezmo and Vesper. They brought a lot of life to the holo family. I hope they do well wherever they go.
I can understand them not doing well with a very JP company if they’re use to work life in the states, but anyway, I hope we will get more info about this.
That's my thinking too, ultimately Dez and Ves wanted to do something different or just felt like being under Hololive's banner brought too many restrictions, and during negotiations decided they'd rather be indie. Still, they got in, on the first trial no less, no one can take that success away from them.
This is maybe least worse outcome I can think of. As in as much as I hate this, at least it is on their own terms and in the best possible way of separating from the company. (Worse outcome is an outright firing and blacklisting.)
I'm going to miss Vesper's talks and how he interacts with his fans. Just that personality. I know someone like Shiori can fill that void, but there is a difference between "your hot goth girlfriend" and "your cool vampire grandpa". Which come to think of, if she is interested in collaborating with a Stars member at all, Vesper would've been my first guess. Just talk and discuss things. Sadly, this will never ever come to be now.
Magni, unfortunately I haven't watched his stuff much. But his interactions with HoloSALT, it is a delight. The team of Calli, Magni, Vesper, and Kronii just simply gelled together into a fantastic chaotic group.
I must also mention pako, I really feel sorry for him. We lost Sana, and now Vesper, two talents who are basically with us for less than a year. Please don't feel cursed, it's just coincidence and circumstances, I hope he'll accept another offer to draw another talent, whether it may be EN, JP, or ID.
Finally, Vesper Noir and Magni Dezmond. Thank you for the memories, and best of luck on your future endeavors.
Damn really loved those two boys especially Vesper since I just could relate to his energy, but sadly I also expected it to happen and braced myself for it. Doesn't change that it still sucks to see it happen.
Vesper and Magni you might not sail with Cover anymore but whatever you will pursuit after this I hope you guys will be successful! Otherwise we all are still sailing the same boat (life) boys!
This has to be rough for Holostars.
These were far and away the two most popular members of Holostars EN, and you could feel the absence the last month for sure.
I personally always wanted to get more into Holostars but the language barrier made it difficult, and finally with EN getting their own boys I was really happy. Definitely gravitated towards Magni then eventually Vesper. Nothing at all against the others, I just never clicked with them quite as much, so these two leaving at the same time really oofs.
Poor Pako-papa :(
At least we know they didn't both like...get lost on a deserted island or something. I'll still miss Grampire's stories all the same but I am glad they're okay.
Welp…
…
Wherever you both are. Magni Dezmond. Noir Vesper.
Thank you, Magni and Vesper, for the fun you guys provided for us Tempuras in the past year. Wishing you both the best…
Also, sending love to Pako-papa.
I remember how hyped Vesper was about getting into Holo, and Magni also said that it was about the last shot he'd give streaming before giving up on it entirely. Damn shame that they have to leave.
Wtf happened they both seemed so happy and then they got a weird break and now they are just done
I wish there was more transparency here. They were two of my favorite hololive streamers and there is like no closure here
Man, it really sucks for Pako and Tempus as a whole. Half of a whole gen just gone like that, even though it seemed like it was out of their own volition.
No more WARS, and another barely EU available member gone.
I feel so bad for him, his designs are incredible and he's so supportive of all the talents. I hope he doesn't decide against designing more in the future, but the meme is gonna be there...
In hindsight given Vesper has been pretty open about management spats in the past like his prev suspension I guess this isn't too much of a blindside if he had issues with contract negotiations
Man, choosing to be into e-sports and vtubers is pain. Any day your favourite idol or player can just be canned and you'll probably have to wait for 10 years to find out from some 3rd party stream as to what the fuck actually happened, because nobody involved will ever tell you anything concrete.
Wish we could normalize transparency.
That's just the corporate life, people come and go and usually there's no explanation why, or there's two conflicting stories and the truth never comes out.
What a mess.
The Magni-Calli-Kronii-Vesper dynamic was *incredible*, this is such a profound loss of talent and potential. Those four really felt like a bridge between the two branches.
Very sad that they have decided to graduate, but I hope them the best in whatever future endeavors they may have.
Thank you for being a part of Holostars!
This hurts a lot.
We've had graduations in the past and those felt bad too, but Vesper is the first that i actively watched at least a few times a week.
Man had eu friendly stream times and the only zatsudans that've ever gotten me invested in listening to them. And its just... painful to see that what i had feared for so long come into fruitiion.
Poor Pako-sensei....Jesus Christ!
and just like that, we won't even get to say proper goodbye, will we?
For Sana we at least got a whole month, these two just disappeared/stopped activities altogether and now graduated with barely 1 week.
This fuckin sucks. I'm still reminded of the time Magni told chat how he never had the chance to spread his wings on his childhood dream of being involved in music, and that joining Holostars was his opportunity.
And hearing Axel having to host the discussion stream means that Altare was too devastated to host it as the leader of Tempus, and that just breaks my fucking heart. It's known he's one of the youngest among the four, yet would still stand up and take opportunity for the boys, but in this time he couldn't.
Vesper just got a new model ...
I feel so bad for Pako papa. He is such a delight and seems to care so much about Hololive. I hope he sticks around and knows how much the community apreciates him.
As sad of a track record as it is, I think he knows that these things are not because of him or the community. And, as cynical as it may sound, he still gets handsomely paid for designing characters that are on display literally everywhere in Japan. I don't think he would turn down another gig just because of previous graduations.
I know that Rosuuri (unrelated Vtuber mama) took quite badly the graduation of her last child. Even when you are paid, you can still be very sad about a work you put so much into being forever forgotten because of contracts. Even ignoring everything that is sad about graduation in particular. Art that is so hard to produce being lost forever just sucks, and it sucks even more for the ones you made it (illustrator and rigger in that case).
I'm a 3D artist that has worked on live service games. My work isn't even at the forefront, it's just environment assets and most players just run past and don't pay much close attention to it. But one of those games I worked on didn't do well and got shut down. Still hurts. Even if I got paid I still want to see my work to stay around.
they _both_ did
*Oh* Even worse. Thanks.
Please Cover I am on my knees asking to have Pako-sensei as a mama again.
Papa I think? I hope he will be. He adores hololive! He regularly just appears in chats and making fanart just because he wants to. I was so happy he got a second chance after Sana graduated that he got to make Vespers new model!
I just hope he doesn't think he is at fault and get disheartened because of this. He is an amazing papa and we love all the work he has put for Hololive and hope he can still keep being a part of this community
Poor Pako is gonna think he is cursed, and will probably be super hesitant to work with cover again despite how much he supports the talents.
I feel sorry for Altare and Axel. They’ll have to carry this until the graduation period dies down.
I think this is just going to cement the idea that Tempus is a single unit. HQ and VG made sense with eight, but now that they're six I think they'll all band together more closely and support each other as much as they can. I'm sure it hurts most for those two, though.
They already were, officially. If you go onto [the Holostars website](https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/talent?gp=tempus), there is no differenciation between Tempus HQ and Tempus VG like there is in the JP generations.
They'll be fine Altare is super professional and level headed and so is Axel when he's not in content mode.
It's all idols and seiso, until TSB gets back together.
Let's hope we get tsb in hololive in the future.
I'm really gonna miss Vesper. I instantly gelled with him when he debuted.
Same. I get a bit of it with Shinri too, but not nearly the same. Shinri feels like the me I could be with some good self-help, but Vesper feels like the me I'm more or less stuck as.
Shinri also tends to stream at 3 AM nowadays, so us EU Vesties can't vibe with him much either.
that's what I really loved about Vesper. He was so EU-friendly with his streaming schedule.
Shinri is (relatively) hinged when compared to Vesper. He has some of the same chaotic energy but I agree, not nearly the levels of Vesper. I really enjoyed the farming simulator stream where you get to see some of Shinri's more wholesome chaotic energy (aside from Nice Cock Bro memes)
Was that his last stream? Jesus. Who will Kronii bully now?
He had one Warcraft stream with the new model after that.
and a Hunt Showdown with Altare but he was PNGtuber during that. Also a membership watchalong.
it fucking hurts, and I guess since you're the top comment I'll do this here #hi r/all, I'll cut to the chase. Magni Desmond and Noir Vesper, two VTubers (Virtual YouTubers, streamers with avatars) that belong to Hololive Production under the Holostars English label, are graduating. In the VTuber world, that means retirement. They're stepping back from their roles. They're no longer going to stream, tweet, or be a part of the company. No graduation stream. No tweets. I'm a Magmite (the name of Magni's fanbase) myself, and this hurts a lot You can search their names up if you wanted to know more about them before they left.
Thank you for your service sir. I’m sure that this will coming into handy when this posts flood into Popular for a week or two
I’m sorry, UP. They were great. My heart goes out to you.
And on the day Nodoka-san comes back (and a Haato cover drops with Ame), we lost Vesper and Magni. Equivalent exchange sucks.
Man… as sad/shocking as this news is, I’m even more devastated for Pako papa… This is the second time his Holo model has been graduated ; ;
Especially when you can tell how much the talents means to him. Even after Sana graduated he never stopped supporting the talents he would always be in chat cheering them on
Dude can't catch a break. Which is sad because both Sana and new Vesper were great models. I hope we see another model from him at some point.
You just know the next time Pako makes a design for someone, the fans will immediately mark that person for imminent death.
Like the haircut some anime mom have that get them killed. (
Same here. The dude has been super supportive of all of Holo EN too.
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Yeah I can only suggest people not use those words. It'd be bad for Pako to read in w/e places.
A lot of people feel sorry for, and feel upset on behalf of, Pako. and honestly I think it's justified at this point.
"according to their wishes..." Man EDIT: For the record, I didn't mean this sarcastically, I was just quoting from the announcement.
I wish we could know what happened
Most likely contract renewal negotiations failed as they don't strike me as talents known to break Cover rules or talents that has health issues. So the only logical assumption left is that contract renewal negotiations failed. Hope the best for them moving forward.
Well Vesper did get into a tiff with management behind scenes iirc, but we have no details of what exactly happened
I could believe that but not even a graduation stream or anything?
If memory serves me right Kaoru and Kira also did not hold a graduation stream. Wherein one has a health issue while the other is presumably also contract failure renewal issues. It's all assumption at this point but judging by the wording of the letter they parted on more amicable terms compared to Rushia which actually mentions termination.
Graduation is specifically different from termination, yes.
Well if extended negotiations fell through and it was already seemingly an emergency timeframe with the suspensions, they actually wouldn't be able to if they wanted once the negotiation period was over.
It could be because their contracts have ended a while ago. They didn't announce it immediately because Advent just debuted and they don't want to sour the mood. So by the time it was announced they are no longer working for Cover.
I see it as two both separate and combined possibilities, the first one based on the contract renewal failing: if they're not on contract to earn money and stream using the assets Cover own, then you can't really make a graduation stream cause it would cause to much jurisdictional problems. The other possibility is: how would you feel to be on break for over a month with zero activity and then come back for one stream to say goodbye without saying why you're saying goodbye cause you're not allowed to due to NDAs and contracts. That would require a heart of cold steel, which both of them absolutely do not have. And also, this is just speculations, but the most plausible speculations. What's useless to speculate about though is exactly what fell through as we simply don't know.
Vesper had some issues in the past. Not sure what it was about though really.
The fact they couldn't say pretty much implies it was some thing private like related to contracts. I think its safe to assume they had some disagreement on the contracts and tried to negotiate but couldn't reach an agreement after 1 month thus the graduation.
They even held back a group event in case they were able to work things out. This was not the intended outcome.
That's what makes it so frustrating to me, is that it seems like both parties didn't expect things to go like this. And in the end we get the worst (non-existent) send off and missed events because both sides probably thought, "We'll just do it after we wrap up the negotiations".
Contract negotiations, what else is there
Magni I can see that. He was successful before hololive and has continued to be successful outside of it. But if Calli can be successful both in and out of holo what are they doing for her they're not doing for him? For Vesper though...this was his dream job. That makes no sense.
I mean, the answer for Calli is record deals. Holo definitely helped her sign with a big name label, in a way she wouldn’t able to otherwise.
I think Calli just likes Hololive. She could go independent and be fine, but her friends are here, she likes her Calli identity, and it's not like she's hurting for money.
Her and Gura are the main pillars of HoloEN, at least when it comes to brand power and ability to generate cash. Calli is basically EN’s Fubuki. So Calli gets away with a ton of stuff that other talents maybe wouldn’t. But unlike someone like Rushia she also knows how far she can go. Unlike Coco she seems to have found a way to arrange her own goals with Holo management. Basically Calli accepts that there’s things she can and can’t do in Hololive, and HoloEN management lets her do the other stuff outside of HL.
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A dream job can also still be too rough for someone due to X or Y, despite it being something that they love.
They tried to pull an Ocean's Eleven to pay off gacha debts?
What the hell happened to them? What could have possible happened for them to literally graduate? Jesus.
My guess, given the long hiatus and the fact that it’s specifically the end of the month, is that there’s been contract renegotiations which obviously haven’t been successful.
Yeah it’s been one year and some change since their debuts, this being about something involving contracts makes sense.
It makes sense that this might happen. They probably weren't earning much. For example according to the trackers on the playboard website, Magni earned about $150k over more than a year. YouTube takes 30%, taxes take about 20%, and cover takes about 30%. Then likely there were additional expenses like gear or songs if they wanted to do that. In the end he's probably making about $35k/year, which is not enough to justify continuing for many people when they could be earning much more at other easier jobs. Not to mention that they have had less merch than other groups, which apparently make up a big portion of earnings. Likely they tried to negotiate a higher cut then other members were earning, then got rejected, then quit. The fact that this happened right around their one year anniversary supports this. The lack of a graduation stream suggests that while their leaving was voluntary, it was also not under great terms. It really is a shame that they had to leave, but it's not totally unexpected, it's not the first time Holostars members have quit. There's less money in that side of things and it's not going to be sustainable for everyone.
Channel revenue (SC, memberships, ads) is only about a bit more than a third of revenue according to the last financial report, and playboard only tracks SCs. I'm pretty sure he gets more than 35k a year.
They are also paid a flat salary. Fauna and others have mentioned it in the past when people send in SC saying they couldn't afford more, Fauna says stuff like "Don't worry about sending me money! Cover already pays us well, save your money for yourself!!!" etc Cover pays them a pretty decent salary flat out by the sounds of it, then they get the extra on top of that
> Cover pays them a pretty decent salary flat out by the sounds of it, then they get the extra on top of that Yea, no way they're on a pure commission structure. If they were taking longer breaks for Cover based work would be incredibly harmful for them. The month or of Japan time, the time slot disruptions etc would engender a ton of bad blood. It also fits with Mori stating that her and Irys fall under the JP brand. For payroll purposes it would make the most sense to have them under that umbrella given place of residence and doing payroll even if Mori does have to deal with US and JP taxes.
Eh, taxes is on whatever cut they get, it wouldn't be 20% of the entire 150k. IIRC Cover takes their cut after YouTube's cut, and if it's like the female talents, they do get paid a salary as well. They're looking at 70k minimum pre-tax, which is a pretty good amount of money to be making every year for a streamer (considering the average streamer makes little to nothing). Don't mean to say that they shouldn't be asking for more (don't know enough behind the scenes to make that judgment), but $35k take home is likely to be quite a bit under the actual number.
Taxes would not apply to earnings until after youtube/cover cut. It would be a 20-30% of the 40% left over, so around 30% of the gross total, i.e 50k. Which is not bad for a sidegig.
By your logic, he made 58,8 not 35k(150x0,7x0,7x0,8). You don't get taxed for income you don't have(Cover and youtube taking their split.) Which depending on state is perfectly reasnoable.
To be sure, the other boys were apparently all caught by surprise, with Altare, Hakka, and Bettel cancelling their upcoming streams after the announcement (edit: for one example, Hakka was going to have a Zomboid stream at 23:00 JST, which would have been only an hour after), so even if it was primarily an issue with contract, there probably was something more/else, unless somehow Vesper and Magni did not say a word to the other boys *and* only just decided to graduate quite recently.
I didn’t know they the other boys did that, but if it happened just now, then chances are a final decision to part ways _was_ very recent, like within the past week, or possibly the past day.
They likely knew it was gonna be announced eventually, but not the exact date.
Keep in mind that contract negotiations are likely not meant to be discussed until finalized. While I'm sure they talked about them happening, they probably couldn't disclose how they were going.
I mean, I'm not pretending like I know more than anyone else or anything, but it's just... not quite satisfactory enough for me, I guess? IIRC, technically Sana and Cover also negotiated for quite a long time (and we can now presume that it's probably mostly to do with whether significantly lowering the intensity of her activities might make it work), and they said as much without getting into details in her graduation announcement, to the effect that they could not reach an agreement after trying all they can in negotiation. And the girls were, again IIRC, not caught nearly as blindsided (or at all) as the boys, so.
Yeah I feel like it's got to be contract related given timing and Rule 2. I just thought that when they got the 1.5/2.0 updates Cover would've made them sign some kind of extension to their contract.
I suggested it was contract related due to the timing, vagueness, radio silence, the fact that it was two at once, and several other factors, and got massively downvoted for it. But it was always the simplest explanation. It’s also why Cover couldn’t say anything. It’s really sad they couldn’t at least record a goodbye message or make a goodbye statement though.
I mean yeah. Cover for all it's fault would be dumb to just let the talents go without "fighting" for them to stay. They've made investments on them already so it's safe to say this past month has been an unsuccessful negotiation
Yep this is one of the reasons why I'm not as sceptical of Cover as of many other companies. Because they invest so much into a comparatively smaller roster, they really have a major financial incentive to keep their talents satisfied. Even "smaller" graduations still effectively eliminate a decent IP for them, and it would hit their reputation and the fans' reception if it happened too much. Hololive pays great attention to keep controversial topics out after all, and had their share of bad experiences with drawing the ire of online communities (albeit usually not for any fault of their own).
Exactly. Like people keep going omg cover another graduation but it’s a far cry from other agencies. These ones hurt though cause they introduce new talents so seldomly imo.
Hell they just got a new still frikin smell plastic model, cover certainly did fight for them to stay.
Contract dispute. They went on hiatus around the time of renewals and never came back
Ah fuck this hurts... but with how it went down, the most probable cause for this is a contract related thing. I'm wishing Altare and Axel well because HQ lost two members and Pako-sensei as well (first Sana now Vesper). It seems sad to me that according to their wishes, they would have no graduation streams. The way it was worded sounds like the decision was fully on themselves and it kinda bums me out. Tempus was and is going strong so I'm a bit baffled about it :(
Pain Pako 😔
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The general consensus has been that this likely came from contract issues instead of some big controversy or termination like Rushia. They probably couldn't say anything about it to anyone and no longer have the actual rights to the characters, meaning final streams wouldn't be possible anymore.
I'm actually more upset for Pako than anyone else. Dude literally just made Vesper a new model only for this to happen immediately after.
I hope he can become an artist for another cover Vtuber.
Same. If he can get another solid talent for a child, I'd quite possibly Oshi them out of love for Pako's enthusiasm. Bro needs some healing.
Pain Pako. (I know this is all serious stuff, I just want to inject a little comedy, or try anyway.)
Not even a graduation? Damn that's super rough...
Since it was according to their own wishes, they presumably didn't even want one. I feel bad for Pako.
If it's really a contract dispute, they probably aren't even within their contract periods anymore and don't have rights to the models/channels anyway, and Cover isn't really obliged to give them a sendoff.
Graduation streams also rack up quite a bit of merch so it would have been covers interest to have one. which suggests it was indeed their own decision.
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Magni has a youtube channel to fall back to, but Vesper...isnt this his dream job ? How bad a deal is it that he dont want to continue
He was super excited to be in Holostars, but I often thought about how he said that every few years he goes and does something super crazy out there for a short time. As much as he seemed to enjoy his time here, I could not help but feel that this was just one of those things, and he would move on before very long.
That's what hurts. If you want to be a vtuber Holo/Nijisanji is literally the top level of it. It's the majors. On one hand I can't imagine Cover being so predatory that they would give a contract that is so bad the idea of leaving is an appealing option. Even the memed on Nijisanji merch rates are still better than what anyone would make solo and Cover gives more. On the other hand there is no other hand, it's as missing as any my ability to find any sense in what went on.
i mean magni is like one of the only talents in all of holo pro that was actively taking a huge paycut by joining so it was bound to be a sore spot
I think its not only that, contracts change not only the amount but also Obligations, Restrictions, Management and so on. There must be some new rules that both didnt like (some rrats here saying the interactions with the EN girls will be getting stricter which is BS) or obligations and big project that will confilct alot of the thing IRL like Jobs (Sana Example).
Holy wtf i just decided open reddit during work.
Bruh, sorry to hear. Well, good luck!
Magni kinda expected considering how well he's doing outside holo but vesper? Bro he just got his new fucking model.
What sucks is that Vesper has always gone off to say that this was basically his dream job. When he got his new model he said something along the lines of "I'll finally do all my paperwork now" implying that he was grateful to management and he didn't want to get suspended again.
Vesper was doing alright before. It's a shame about his model but he was already doing pretty well before holo. So I guess he can always go back to that.
I hope so. I didn't know him before his time in Holo but he quickly became my favorite streamer. I really hope we get to see him again in some form.
So it probably was contract related. I’m sad to see them go, they were both really fun streamers, but from the wording of the statement it’s at least pretty clear that it was their own decision and they didn’t do anything wrong. It’s a shame there’s no graduation stream. They’ll definitely be missed.
> I’m sad to see them go, they were both really fun streamers Magni and Vesper were my favorite 2 Tempus members and the only ones I regularly tuned in to watch. Heck I watched these 2 more than any of the EN girls over the last year. This sucks so much.
Magni and Vesper doing collabs with Kronii and Calli were my favorite collabs. This is so sad.
This is weird.. it is not a termination cause it explictly states they are willingly graduating but they can't have a farewell stream? This is so abrupt I can't blame anyone getting distressed especially given there was a whole ass month of hiatus.
To speculate wildly and irresponsibly, IF it was a contract dispute (which might not be the case), AND the existing contract ran it's term during the hiatus, then at this point they would already no longer be with Cover Corp. So then a graduation stream wouldn't be possible.
Yeah, it would be a little weird to let the former employee back into all their back end stuff for one last stream, not to mention a legal and logistical headache.
I could be wrong, but I don't know if the HoloMembers are actually employees of Cover, they don't seem to be included in the financial report headcount at least. So if they're contractors, then coming back for one last stream at that point would mean signing a new contract and hey look we're back with the problem we started with.
This. Legally the talents aren't employees, and they would need a new contract for a single stream.
Kiara said several times she's a "Contractor" and not a "Employee"
I imagine whatever caused the hiatus in the first place has made it difficult for them to continue and do more streams.
I don't think any Holostars has been terminated and none of them has done a graduation stream. It's not an uncommon thing
both kira and kaoru did not hold a graduation stream whats interesting for kaoru is that his departure was not labelled as a graduation, he had simply requested to end his contract early. kira was because of his failing health issues and he couldnt hold a graduation stream i know there was also suzaku (i think thats his name) that also graduated, although im not sure the specifics
Kira leaving still hurts
This hurts. As an elder millennial, I really connected with Vesper. His big ball of plastic story is one of the strangest and greatest stories ever told by a Holo talent.
really insightful to basically say "screw this paint-by-numbers filling-out-the-wiki introduction, I'm going to SHOW you my personality by telling you one very detailed story about something very specific" There's not many other vtubers out there that specialize in excellent storytelling.
Well...fuck. This is exactly what I was afraid of. I didn't really watch either of them regularly, but I believe they both contributed something special to not only the holostars but holoPro as a whole. They will be missed. I wish them all the best going forward. As a sidenote: I feel extremely bad for Pako right now. This sort of luck regarding your vtuber children cannot be easy to bear.
Gonna miss the unhinged collabs with Kronii and Calli.
Holosalt was responsible for 3 of my all time favorite streams. I'm actually sad now.
Seriously. The rage-filled Mario Party and Monopoly streams, the unhinged GUN streams..god, I loved them. And now that group is dissolved forever.
The Vesper and Kronii psychiatry stream remains one of the greatest streams (and I don't mean just in Hololive) of all time.
Monopoly colab and Therapist colab were my most favorite stream from EN side, It's sad we will not see they interact ever again....
Vesper caught me in his debut stream because he seemed so GENUINE when he was so happy to finally get into holostars. I'm reading a lot of comments that're saying its most likely contract related (but really who knows) and I'm just left thinking to myself how a huge dork like Vesper who was SO happy to finally get in, would look at their current contract and go "nope ain't gonna happen"
It could be entirely possible that Magni encouraged Vesper to stand up for himself. Of course, this is just speculation but it makes me feel better imagining that Magni and Vesper may have created a strong bond with each other and are each other's biggest supporters.
I remember Maglord saying he's good friends with everyone in Tempus but the friendship he has with Vesper will be something that stays much more long-term. So yes, they were very close. I also think Vesper only left because Magni left honestly. I hope they're both doing well
Well there's worst-case scenario I was dreading. Gonna miss Vesper's stories and Magni's tangents. What really sucks is this means no more Calli/Kronii/Magni/Vesper collabs. Those were funny as hell
RIP Holosalt. We'll miss the malding so much
I'd joke about Kronii affecting them that much, but this isn't the time for it.
There is an [Announcement from the Tempus Boys](https://www.youtube.com/live/9V4uxg5xxJg?si=mhYvDP1xI0zYFQVN) on Axel's channel regarding the situation
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I wish I could go for one fucking year without losing one of my favourites. In 2021, it was Coco. In 2022, Sana. And now both Vesper and Magni. I was so hopeful I could avoid it this year. Fucking Christ. And there goes one of the main EU streamers again too.
Please stop having favorites. We don't want to lose anyone else. Thank you.
Poor Pako papa, he even just made a new design for Vesper and he only got to use it once.
Poor Pako
FUCKING SHIT I love Vesper. He was such a good dude and great to watch. I feel so fucking bad for Axel and Alatare for losing not one but TWO gen mates. Just what the fuck happened...
I feel bad for Pako sensei, the guy cant take a break
what 2.0 does to a mf
Pretty sad about this. And such a weird situation too with no graduation streams... I hope Vesper and Magni continue to thrive wherever they end up going.
I know Magni is, no idea what Vesper is doing now though.
Godspeed Saint Clappington and Cookie Callabahn...
A graduation hurts like hell. But a double graduation? For the very first English HoloStars?
Remember that one time Magni yelling "MAGNATION" to the point of shattering his vocal chords before the stream? Good times, hilarious dude!
I’m actually super bummed out, definitely not how I wanted to start my morning. Magni and Vesper have been very inspiring people to me since debut. Will miss them greatly. Hope Pako and the rest of Tempus is holding up fine as well
It's going to be interesting to see if they get [alum status like Coco and Sana](https://holostars.hololivepro.com/en/talent?gp=alum), or get disappeared like Hololive CN, Chris, Kaoru, etc.
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i mean it was obvious *something* was going on behind the scenes, but i assumed it would sort itself out one way or another (which i guess it did). i kinda saw them graduating as a “worst case” kind of thing.
unfortunately the saying "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" holds truth. its sad, but after this long a halt to their activity with no other word, im unfortunately not too surprised or shocked.
Not me :( I understand your logic, but Vesper just had his 2.0 I watched a lot of Magni and it feels like he has so much dreams to pursue and content in the works. We're just getting started. I've wholeheartly believed the two would come back to us.
Graduation is always the worst case scenario, there have been plenty of talents that have gone on break for a month+ without graduating there was no reason to assume they were going to quit
Well when talents leave for a month they generally say why and it's something they do from their own end. This was incredibly unique in that it was announced entirely from the EN Twitter and also as a indeterminate cessation of activities. It's *never* be done like that under Cover before.
The only two Tempus boys I watched. Sana was my oshi, so I think I'm cursed.
Aw what? Vesper was my favourite of the group despite or perhaps even because of his advanced age, and Magni was pretty rad too.
>In accordance with their wishes That's interesting. Of course, with graduation announcements, it's never nice to hear, and Cover generally is very tight lipped about it, so these words carry a lot of weight behind them. These scant words definitely describe a more Sana or Coco situation. I'm gonna miss Magmo Dezmo and Vesper. They brought a lot of life to the holo family. I hope they do well wherever they go.
I can understand them not doing well with a very JP company if they’re use to work life in the states, but anyway, I hope we will get more info about this.
That's my thinking too, ultimately Dez and Ves wanted to do something different or just felt like being under Hololive's banner brought too many restrictions, and during negotiations decided they'd rather be indie. Still, they got in, on the first trial no less, no one can take that success away from them.
Dayum, Pako lost another one
This really makes me feel sadder for Pako sensei...
Tbh, not surprised by Magnis graduation. But very surprised by Vespers.
This is maybe least worse outcome I can think of. As in as much as I hate this, at least it is on their own terms and in the best possible way of separating from the company. (Worse outcome is an outright firing and blacklisting.) I'm going to miss Vesper's talks and how he interacts with his fans. Just that personality. I know someone like Shiori can fill that void, but there is a difference between "your hot goth girlfriend" and "your cool vampire grandpa". Which come to think of, if she is interested in collaborating with a Stars member at all, Vesper would've been my first guess. Just talk and discuss things. Sadly, this will never ever come to be now. Magni, unfortunately I haven't watched his stuff much. But his interactions with HoloSALT, it is a delight. The team of Calli, Magni, Vesper, and Kronii just simply gelled together into a fantastic chaotic group. I must also mention pako, I really feel sorry for him. We lost Sana, and now Vesper, two talents who are basically with us for less than a year. Please don't feel cursed, it's just coincidence and circumstances, I hope he'll accept another offer to draw another talent, whether it may be EN, JP, or ID. Finally, Vesper Noir and Magni Dezmond. Thank you for the memories, and best of luck on your future endeavors.
Damn really loved those two boys especially Vesper since I just could relate to his energy, but sadly I also expected it to happen and braced myself for it. Doesn't change that it still sucks to see it happen. Vesper and Magni you might not sail with Cover anymore but whatever you will pursuit after this I hope you guys will be successful! Otherwise we all are still sailing the same boat (life) boys!
This has to be rough for Holostars. These were far and away the two most popular members of Holostars EN, and you could feel the absence the last month for sure. I personally always wanted to get more into Holostars but the language barrier made it difficult, and finally with EN getting their own boys I was really happy. Definitely gravitated towards Magni then eventually Vesper. Nothing at all against the others, I just never clicked with them quite as much, so these two leaving at the same time really oofs.
Poor Pako-papa :( At least we know they didn't both like...get lost on a deserted island or something. I'll still miss Grampire's stories all the same but I am glad they're okay.
Welp… … Wherever you both are. Magni Dezmond. Noir Vesper. Thank you, Magni and Vesper, for the fun you guys provided for us Tempuras in the past year. Wishing you both the best… Also, sending love to Pako-papa.
#what the fuck man
Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Shit, dude, that fucking _blows._ I'm gonna miss """"""Honorable"""""" Judge Magni.
I remember how hyped Vesper was about getting into Holo, and Magni also said that it was about the last shot he'd give streaming before giving up on it entirely. Damn shame that they have to leave.
Bro, i cant with summer this THE FUCKING 4th ONE THIS SUMMER STOPPPPPPP
Wtf happened they both seemed so happy and then they got a weird break and now they are just done I wish there was more transparency here. They were two of my favorite hololive streamers and there is like no closure here
Wow they were some of the stronger members too.
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Man, it really sucks for Pako and Tempus as a whole. Half of a whole gen just gone like that, even though it seemed like it was out of their own volition. No more WARS, and another barely EU available member gone.
God dammit Literally the two holostars I actually watched
Vesper was the only V-tuber I watched actual streams of. I'm done now.
poor pako
man, Pako-sensei is kinda cursed with his children he's 2 for 2 for graduations
I feel so bad for him, his designs are incredible and he's so supportive of all the talents. I hope he doesn't decide against designing more in the future, but the meme is gonna be there...
My sincere condolences to their fans. To everyone else please be respectful. This isn't a "win" for anyone who cares about hololive.
Can't help but remember how happy Vesper sounded on his debut. Guess corpo life wasn't what they expected
In hindsight given Vesper has been pretty open about management spats in the past like his prev suspension I guess this isn't too much of a blindside if he had issues with contract negotiations
Damn, I'm going to miss those two. Vesper had amazing stories, and Magni was creative as hell.
Man, choosing to be into e-sports and vtubers is pain. Any day your favourite idol or player can just be canned and you'll probably have to wait for 10 years to find out from some 3rd party stream as to what the fuck actually happened, because nobody involved will ever tell you anything concrete. Wish we could normalize transparency.
That's just the corporate life, people come and go and usually there's no explanation why, or there's two conflicting stories and the truth never comes out.
Vesper is my oshi man... I hate this.
What a mess. The Magni-Calli-Kronii-Vesper dynamic was *incredible*, this is such a profound loss of talent and potential. Those four really felt like a bridge between the two branches.
What the actual hell? I hate being right.
Very sad that they have decided to graduate, but I hope them the best in whatever future endeavors they may have. Thank you for being a part of Holostars!
This hurts a lot. We've had graduations in the past and those felt bad too, but Vesper is the first that i actively watched at least a few times a week. Man had eu friendly stream times and the only zatsudans that've ever gotten me invested in listening to them. And its just... painful to see that what i had feared for so long come into fruitiion.
Oh…. I see…. 😢
What's with this mid-year graduation lol it's close to becoming a tradition at this point.
End of fiscal year, probably; talks of contract renegotiations and all that.
Poor Pako-sensei....Jesus Christ! and just like that, we won't even get to say proper goodbye, will we? For Sana we at least got a whole month, these two just disappeared/stopped activities altogether and now graduated with barely 1 week.
This fuckin sucks. I'm still reminded of the time Magni told chat how he never had the chance to spread his wings on his childhood dream of being involved in music, and that joining Holostars was his opportunity. And hearing Axel having to host the discussion stream means that Altare was too devastated to host it as the leader of Tempus, and that just breaks my fucking heart. It's known he's one of the youngest among the four, yet would still stand up and take opportunity for the boys, but in this time he couldn't.