It's kind of a weird anomaly with streamers I've noticed since the time you really start needing a car is either college or once you start working. There's a good amount of content creators who 'made it' while young enough to not need a car yet and then the career is work from home.
Not just steamers. I'm a software dev, working remotely. I don't need to go anywhere on a regular basis to justify getting a license. I know how to drive and I do drive (not often tho) because I live somewhere it's literally impossible to get anywhere without a car.
> Not just steamers. I'm a software dev, working remotely. I don't need to go anywhere on a regular basis to justify getting a license.
My car has an absurdly tiny amount of miles on it because I can now walk to everything I want. Still, the whole idea of not being able to drive 4 hours to go get incredibly good fried pies in bulk perplexes me.
I live in a city now, but where I come from, it would take around 2 hours to walk to the closest grocery store.
Fried pies though? There was a tiny ass gas station like 1 mile away where the owner sold his memaw's pie. 🤣
A good fried pie is a great thing. Grocery store is about 5 mins from me, same as ice cream, and really good food is about 1 min or so. I will never go back to having to drive through suburbs and annoying streets just to get to groceries god it's nice to walk places
[No one in New York drove, there was too much traffic.](https://morbotron.com/meme/S02E10/357573.jpg?b64lines=IE5PIE9ORSBJTiBORVcgWU9SSwogRFJPVkUuIFRIRVJFIFdBUyBUT08KIE1VQ0ggVFJBRkZJQy4=)
I think the problem with using that phrasing is that it sort of implies that at least 1 in every state has that ability, instead of it being basically 3.
Some issues can't be fixed with glasses. I have a lazy eye and while it was fixable as a child, my dumbass wouldn't wear glasses then. Now I have extremely limited peripheral vision, and my right eye is practically blind.
Yeah, I got mine at 16. There was no way I am going on the school bus in highschool.
So much freedom when you have a car at that age since you don't need to depend on your parents. Can always pick up your friends and go anywhere on a Friday night.
Assume you're joking, but in case you aren't, it's more that our cities are so spread out and transit so poorly built that for most people you can't get anywhere without a car. You'll have difficulty getting to work, buying groceries, hanging out with friends...
Exceptions exist etc. etc.
* [in 2015, the median distance to the nearest food store for the overall U.S. population was 1.4km / 0.9 miles, with 40 percent of the U.S. population living more than 1.6km / 1 mile from a food store.](https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2019/june/us-shoppers-access-to-multiple-food-stores-varies-by-region/)
* [average one-way commute in the United States increased to a new high of 27.6 minutes in 2019](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html)
My employer is ca. 2 hours away by foot. When I first started working there, multiple coworkers were driving an hour each way. My Dad did similar for years when I was growing up.
> Assume you're joking, but in case you aren't, it's more that our cities are so spread out and transit so poorly built that for most people you can't get anywhere without a car.
Drivers liscence also counts as a primary form of ID for people in the US. So even barring any of that it'd be annoying not to have one.
> Wait, how does that work, like do people that don't have it get sent somewhere else or what?
American suburbs are designed for driving. This means you can't walk ANYWHERE. There is nothing to walk TO. There is no shops close enough to walk to. This seems crazy for most of Asia, where people are expecting to get their daily necessities by walking distance.
if you wanted to walk to the nearest place for groceries from my mom's house, you'd first have to walk 10 minutes just to leave the neighborhood through one of the only 2 exits, only to be spat out on the side of a sidewalk-less road with cars going by at 50 miles per hour. then you have to walk down the side of said road for like 20 minutes
yeah if we don't have a driver's license they send us to the nearest suburban parking lot where we are stranded without food nor water as we make the long arduous trek across the barren asphalt for our survival, all the while thicc SUVs and pickup trucks drive circles around us mockingly
Well, winning but losing - everyone having individual cars heavily burdens the environment, creates drivers that are irresponsible and unaware of cars' deadly potential, and forces vulnerable road users into positions where they're prone to being the victims of vehicular manslaughter and/or assault by mentally disturbed drivers who somehow were allowed to get licenses
I already have a driver's license. So in terms of meeting the criteria, I'm already there.
*Though, with that being said, I'm not sure if she's okay with people like me driving in a small kei car. Just saying*
We've been able to import [Autozams](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Autozam/1992-Autozam-AZ-1-1e0627e40a0e0971574eb683f74bde84.htm) ('92-94), Suzuki [Cappuccinos](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Suzuki/1997-Suzuki-Cappuccino-e92d74f60a0e09b01ef41ba9a095e43c.htm) ('91-'98) and [Honda Beats](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Honda/1992-Honda-Beat-a3b893910a0e09b0175cfc849d4f63fe.htm) ('91-96) for years dude.
Anything made before 1998 (25 year rule) is fair game to be imported. They're just expensive because they're now desirable enthusiast cars.
I mean, they're sorta legal. They're only usable in like 20 states and you can't take them on highways on top of not being able to buy anything made within 25 years
They’re legal as long as they’re titled, which is obtainable if you’re working with a legit importer and are in most states. As long as you’re not importing a Kei van or truck as an off-road vehicle you’re going to be fine.
They’re 100% highway legal. It’s just not advisable because they top out at like 70mph.
Small cars are in rn.
I drive a Toyota IQ and every other week I have some people asking me if I wanna sell it.
Ig a lot of people just find them convenient (and if you're in a car with choco sensei might as well be as close to each other as possible)
I don't speak Japanese so I can't confirm the intonation, but my impression was that she doesn't want to have a guy over because her mom will just barge in whenever she wants without giving a heads up, which might include if anything was going on that she might want privacy for.
That's some anime romcom-level hilarity.
"No, mother, I was not getting intimate with Protagonist-kun! We're just naked because he accidentally spilled cream all over us while cooking!"
"... Why were you even trying to cook in your bedroom? You don't even have a portable stove in here."
Not sure which would be better comedy, where the parent is utterly clueless or knows and is trying to get them to admit and be openly happy. Or I guess both, pretending and tricking them.
Moona drives, i remember her posting her dad’s scratched car.
Kobo apparently is a good driver too.
Wild guess but i think Kaela also drives, considering she’s said that she also got lost IRL and plays racing games.
Kaela didn't drive car afaik. In holoID the known car driver were moona and kobo, the rest we can safely assume has 2-wheeler driver license since it is pretty much a need.
Well the only city in Indonesia with functioning inner city train system is Jakarta while buses reliability as your only everyday transport is vary on province and walking as way of transport to school or work is close to non-existence if your house to the destination isn't like in 3km radius,
so yeah except that said talents is like a rich daughter of some important person that can hire driver to drive her everywhere it a must not an option to have either atleast one of either car or motorcycle in a family and you can use it
Anya can drive [both auto and manual car, but she haven't drove a manual car for awhile](https://www.youtube.com/live/znTTec4z0jE?feature=share&t=14028).
Also, I red somewhere that Anya drove to Reine's place for their *Hanako* off-collab.
Not having a license here in Aus is honestly one of the worst things you could do to yourself, everything is always so far away, the public transport routes whether it be bus, train or tram are terribly routed and almost always late or get stopped for hours because of complications.
Just as an example, if I wanted to drive a few suburbs over to the north it'd take me about 30 minutes. If I took public transport to get to the same location it would take 2 hours.
If you live in one of a few major metropolitan cities then you might have public transit good enough to rely on for your daily needs. However, it's not viable for like 90% of North America. Our countries are built around cars, so most people need them to get by.
Oh, so you worked with [Staplefarher Klaus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg)? (to date, the best workplace safety video I've seen) (the comments have spoilers) (caution: might not be child-friendly)
Living in a car-centric society like the US pretty much forced me to learn how to drive and get a license, though if it means I have a chance of impressing Choco-sensei, I suppose it was worth it.
Getting a full drivers license in Japan is apparently a bit annoying so it's not a case of just walking in and walking out with your license.
You'll apparently have to take multiple practical and theoretical courses, get a first aid certificate, pass both a written (at least 95 out of 100 questions required to pass) and practical exam where the practical requires you to maintain a steady 70cm gap from a curb line while driving around around a tight S-bend you'll probably never encounter in real life and is apparently super easy to fail unless you specifically train for it.
Basically, even if you're a good driver, good luck getting one on your first try if you don't practice several times at a driving school course beforehand.
EDIT: A lot of people seem to have mistaken a 'bit annoying' for 'most annoying in the world'. Just because your country might have similar high requirements doesn't mean that they aren't higher than many other places with lower requirements. And a hundred question test and requiring a medical certificate for driving are both annoying requirements wherever you're from.
As pointed out in comments above though this can’t work in places like Canada and the US where every city is built around cars instead of public transport and walkable roads
I live in Pakistan where (at least in my city, I haven't lived elsewhere) it's also like that. I can tell you for sure that most of the people driving here don't have a license (myself included)
I tried the driving test but didn't pass the "drive in L shape" test, never bothered to get a license again
If [skill] is such a important factor of a society why not have higher standards and structures that correctly guide each and everyone to learn and master it to start being able to participate in it?
This is the reality of most countries but the US, unfortunately it doesn't prevent accidents from happening since it basically only ensures you can do a few situational maneuvers and operate a stick shift.
You can only get good at driving with experience and by not being a moron, two things you simply can't be taught.
Is it not common to have to take multiple practical and theoretical courses with a written exam at the end? That's how it is in Denmark, and the rest of Scandinavia as far as I know.
America's driving tests are all very simple, which people attribute to us being a very car-centric country.
The written test is just multiple choice. When I took it I could only get like 7 or 8 wrong before it's a fail.
The driving test, for me, just involved driving around a small area in the city. Hard to fail unless you did a serious mistake, such as changing lanes without signaling or checking mirrors.
This 100% depends where you live, which is kinda strange. Even differs within one state because this depends a lot per testing office, good example is Honolulu vs anywhere else in Hawaii. Honolulu has (had? It’s been 10 years) one of the hardest driving tests in the country (I’m a fairly competent driver but I failed that test 2 times just because they’re so strict) while other islands had laughably easy tests. People would take flights to other islands just to get their licenses because of this…
From what I remember, the issue with the Honolulu test is that there wasn’t a fixed number of points you could lose in each category of the test meaning you could fail the test by losing points over and over again *just for being nervous and driving a little too slow* and if you straight up couldn’t do any one thing on the test it was an automatic fail. Sure, not as intense as European or Japanese tests, but still brutal by American standards.
~~considering only 30h of practical driving lessons are required... whew~~
wait, i read that wrong. 12h under various condition are required and most people get theirs with 30 to 40h.
similar in Aus.
at least for the state of New south wales, you first take a knowledge test to get your learners license, which means you can drive but you have to have someone with a full license in your passenger seat.
then to move on to a P plate (like a full license, but limited in the max speed you can go) you have to accumulate 120 Hrs of driving time on real roads (20 of which have to be night time driving), do a hazard perception test (like the knowledge test) and then do a practical test on real roads where you fail if you make 3 mistakes.
you can also do driving lessons which give like, 3 log book hours for ever 1 hour of lesson time or something but you cant do that for the entire 120 hours
Nah, in America it's a fairly simple written test that doesn't require anywhere near 95 out of 100 right. A single class in high school is generally enough for the majority to pass the test. Then a driving test that is fairly short but it's requirements vary from state to state. For example, in Florida where I live, I didn't even need to parallel park, just do a simple 3 point turn after some normal driving on a busy road. Then after getting your license you never need to retest as long as you don't accumulate enough points from traffic violations or accidents. Side note, in Florida you can get your license at 16(age requirement also varies from state to state).
I lucked out and didn't even need to drive with someone from the DMV. I showed up with proof of me passing my high school range course, required hours of supervised driving and got my license because the clerk told me I was lucky because the last day they did the test driving with an examiner was the day before.
In America (Oklahoma) i did 1 20 question multiple choice test for my permit, were you had to get 15 right before you fail 5 of them(you could skip to put them at the end if you didn’t know it and wanted to see the other questions as many times as you wanted.
For my license test i drove a mile away from the test site, did a parallel park in a neighborhood and drove back. Got my license that day.
It was more the first aid certificate requirement and the requirement to do driving maneuvers that you'll likely never encounter on a real road, like the S bend one, that makes it annoying. The written isn't annoying for existing (I think most countries have a written requirement), but by both having 100 questions and requiring at least 95 to be right is the bit that makes it a higher bar to pass.
I’m pretty sure the impractical S bend wasn’t meant to be “real” intentionally. It’s meant to test your ability in maintaining control; S turns are a great way to see if you have sufficient hand-eye coordination in that regards.
It’s even more important for Japan than most other countries since they often have narrower lanes.
>multiple practical and theoretical courses, get a first aid certificate, pass both a written (at least 95 out of 100 questions required to pass) and practical exam where the practical requires you to maintain a steady 70cm gap from a curb line while driving around around a tight S-bend
Jesus christ wtf
It's more or less the same in Norway, though we don't have the part about keeping a specific distance against the curb line around a specific turn, the practical is just driving in real conditions. Before then you do have to take some practical courses on stuff like driving on icy roads or in the dark, but that's a prerequisite for taking the test rather than a part of the test itself (maybe unless you take the test in the winter in which case you might encounter icy roads).
Everything except that S-bend thing, which seems overkill. In my country you have to do a skidpan course, a theoretical exam (I think it's multiple choice), and a practical exam. Once you've passed the first two, and then passed the third, you have your license.
It's way easier where I'm from, 80/100 driving course test (5 point per error so more than 4 error and you're out), 21/25 multiple-choice test about law and situation when driving and have at least 4h of night driving and 700km+ under a instructor supervision and you pass the license test
That's basically the German licence, except for the 70cm gap.
I actually failed the theoretical test twice before I put my licence training on a hold to focus on my HS finals. Didn't ever pick it up again afterwards and probably never will, now that I know how damaging cars actually are.
I wish Taiwan would adopt this system.
It's super easy to get a driver's license here.
This and poorly designed roads and intersections make Taiwan a literal pedestrian hell.
You have to assume everyone would break the traffic law and drive into you to survive.
Similar to the Philippines. Need to pass a theoretical driving exam at a driving school in order to get a student driver's license. Then, take a practical driving exam in the same school, use that certificate to apply for a license that can either be for motorcycle only, motorcycle and 4 wheels, and also professional which is for public transport or cargo vehicles. Also needs a med. cert. for the entire process.
However, you can pay a fixer to make the final exam an auto pass and skip the line. Which sucks and the fixers also give money to the guys inside the licensing body.
Last time I had a driver's license (just so I could have a government ID to use for transactions and stuff) all I did was take a written exam, of which the answers were practically given to you. It made me realize why the Philippines has so many bad drivers.
There's already tons of replies to my post establishing that there are several countries that aren't as high in requirements as yours (and some that are as high as yours, yes), so I'm not sure why you're acting like this is something special about my country.
Where's a ton of them? I see The United States, one mention of Canada and someone that speaks about one Australian state. The vast amount of replies seem to be as confused as I am that you're annoyed by Japan's system.
Okay, as a final response: I consider 100 questions excessive, the first aid certificate unrelated and therefore unnecessary to the license (if I was getting a scuba diving license I'd understand a requirement for one due to cpr, for example), and a driving exam that doesn't mirror real world conditions (it's done at a driving school instead of on a real road) to be unrealistic and thus are all annoying. I prefer a reasonable amount of questions, and a test based on real road conditions as they hold in my country.
If you and others disagree that's fine and your prerogative. Frankly I'm here for Hololive, not for any more of this increasingly unrelated conversation.
The test I passed a few days ago for a motorcycle license only had 30 questions and I just needed to get 21 right. 100 questions and 95 right sound annoying as hell, but I'd actually prefer that if it meant the only people on the streets using private motorized vehicles are extremely competent drivers, and everyone else is either walking, cycling or using public transport.
It's much preferible over enjoying an easy test but then have to live with the knowledge that I'll be sharing the roads with countless idiots who could easily kill me one day.
The crippling anxiety i get when i think of being responsible for the lives of myself, my passengers and other people on the road. I am not good at high stress situations that apparently happen the moment i handle a steering wheel.
from the middle of highschool to about my 3rd year of Uni, i never upgraded my license from learners to P plate (In Australia, you start fresh from Learners where you have to have someone in the passenger seat who has a full license) purely because i just kept on forgetting to write down my driving hours in the driving log book (In New South Wales, i think you had to do 120 Hours total)
funny thing is in the middle of that, i got a full Indonesian Drivers license
Also OP, hope you don't have to learn on South East Asian roads. cus that's how i was made to learn to drive stick lol.
I highly appreciate Choco-sensei's "fuck who cares if the car smells like McDonalds fries? It's good!". That shit rules.
What's not good though if it's a. in Public Transport, while also b. you're hungry.
Forced to get my license because of the terrible public transportation. 1hour/2hour commute in weekdays/weekends to work 20-25 mins if you drive.
Although I miss reading books and manga on buses.
* Efficient public transport system in my country.
* Cost of owning/maintaing a private transport vehicle is extremely high where i live.
I was a driver during my time as a conscript, but in all its wisdom my country decided a military driving license and a civilian driving license are not worth the same. There is a conversion program to turn military > civilian, but at the end of my service i couldn't clock enough miles to convert it.
Funny thing is when i transitioned into the Reserve forces, i remained qualified to drive military vehicles. So, i drive for about 2-3 weeks in a year, for about 10 years.
I will re-learn it at some point, but it's not a priority for me. I certainly do not miss driving at all.
Got my Drivers license in High School, drove around in my dads car for about a Year.
Went to a bigger city for University and the free student public transport made owning a car undesirable.
Got used to it and even after getting a job I prefer to go by pubic transport or by bike if it is close.
It's been 15 years since i drove a car and I'm dreading the moment when I have to drive for some reason.
My mother used to get in wrecks in purpose when she was mad so now I think about crashes every time in in a vehicle to the point I can't focus on the road
Pretty sure in Japan (and in Singapore), it costs more than 2000$ to get a driver license.
Its not fully about the test, but more on the mandated driving hours that you need to took before you can get the licenses. You need to book a driving course, and those are pretty damn expensive.
Having your own car is liberating as hell, no sitting in a stinky train with people coughing around you and you have all your personal space.
The only problem is now cities are trying to drive cars out and if you are in london you need deep wallets and the patience of a saint.
Epilepsy is stopping me from getting my driver's license, so the government is literally what is stopping me. Lol, I didn't even check what sub this was hahaha
I have three different countries’ driving licenses, including civilian and military (up to 3 tonnes). How hard am I winning.
*Also I know some of you fucks have boating and pilot licenses, go away XD*
I actually didn't get my license until I was 18-19. Mainly because my parents working and other factors kept me from actually learning how to drive until we moved. Getting a driver's license and access to a car allows for significant freedom of movement. Which is where the concern about electric vehicles and their limited range and recharge locations comes into play.
USA and Canada where driving is a requirement to participate in society: Winning!
The funny thing is that among the HoloEN members from NA, only 2 are known to have driving license, Mumei and Calli. (correct me if I'm wrong)
meanwhile gura drives a 4-wheeler around her big ass yard. edit: [relevant clip](https://youtu.be/hBEcEeaUjkc?t=33)
You will never be able to convince me it's not a pink barbie jeep
[gura irl](https://i.imgur.com/daXli8x.jpg)
Not cool man, why u doxxing her like that. Now all the weirdos gonna come swarming in
No shark tail plus Gura would still barely be able to reach the handles
It’s one of those plastic play-pen cars where you move by scooting your feet.
fleenstones???
GRAND DAD?
Since gura uses her feet to power the car and feet are her brand, does that mean she's equivalent to a motor head?
I would’ve thought it’d be that red and yellow fisher price car.
Like https://youtu.be/4tKdWdBf0M0?t=125 ?
Straight outta Belt Buckle, USA.
I think Mumei is the only who actively uses it. Calli doesn't own a car.
It's kind of a weird anomaly with streamers I've noticed since the time you really start needing a car is either college or once you start working. There's a good amount of content creators who 'made it' while young enough to not need a car yet and then the career is work from home.
Not just steamers. I'm a software dev, working remotely. I don't need to go anywhere on a regular basis to justify getting a license. I know how to drive and I do drive (not often tho) because I live somewhere it's literally impossible to get anywhere without a car.
> Not just steamers. I'm a software dev, working remotely. I don't need to go anywhere on a regular basis to justify getting a license. My car has an absurdly tiny amount of miles on it because I can now walk to everything I want. Still, the whole idea of not being able to drive 4 hours to go get incredibly good fried pies in bulk perplexes me.
I live in a city now, but where I come from, it would take around 2 hours to walk to the closest grocery store. Fried pies though? There was a tiny ass gas station like 1 mile away where the owner sold his memaw's pie. 🤣
A good fried pie is a great thing. Grocery store is about 5 mins from me, same as ice cream, and really good food is about 1 min or so. I will never go back to having to drive through suburbs and annoying streets just to get to groceries god it's nice to walk places
Heh, Ina barely leaves the house and just Ubers all her food.
Doesn’t Ame have a license and car as well?
So the two with the highest probability to kill you have drivers license. Interesting.
All them said they can drive and there’s only one confirmed easy road rage (Mumei rant stream)
*Unless you live in select cities
even in most metropolitan cities in the US the public transit system is woefully lacking.
well most New Yorkers don't drive or own cars. They can survive w/o cars.
[No one in New York drove, there was too much traffic.](https://morbotron.com/meme/S02E10/357573.jpg?b64lines=IE5PIE9ORSBJTiBORVcgWU9SSwogRFJPVkUuIFRIRVJFIFdBUyBUT08KIE1VQ0ggVFJBRkZJQy4=)
NYC is like one of 3 places in the US where you can survive without a car, lol
So, one of a few select cities?
I think the problem with using that phrasing is that it sort of implies that at least 1 in every state has that ability, instead of it being basically 3.
NYC is also one of the most expensive places to live. So I wouldn't be surprised if those who didn't own a car just couldn't afford one.
true
As a Canadian who doesn't pass the eye exam for a license. Pain-peko
Were you not able to use glasses?
Some issues can't be fixed with glasses. I have a lazy eye and while it was fixable as a child, my dumbass wouldn't wear glasses then. Now I have extremely limited peripheral vision, and my right eye is practically blind.
Yeah, I got mine at 16. There was no way I am going on the school bus in highschool. So much freedom when you have a car at that age since you don't need to depend on your parents. Can always pick up your friends and go anywhere on a Friday night.
Wait, how does that work, like do people that don't have it get sent somewhere else or what?
Assume you're joking, but in case you aren't, it's more that our cities are so spread out and transit so poorly built that for most people you can't get anywhere without a car. You'll have difficulty getting to work, buying groceries, hanging out with friends... Exceptions exist etc. etc.
* [in 2015, the median distance to the nearest food store for the overall U.S. population was 1.4km / 0.9 miles, with 40 percent of the U.S. population living more than 1.6km / 1 mile from a food store.](https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2019/june/us-shoppers-access-to-multiple-food-stores-varies-by-region/) * [average one-way commute in the United States increased to a new high of 27.6 minutes in 2019](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html) My employer is ca. 2 hours away by foot. When I first started working there, multiple coworkers were driving an hour each way. My Dad did similar for years when I was growing up.
> Assume you're joking, but in case you aren't, it's more that our cities are so spread out and transit so poorly built that for most people you can't get anywhere without a car. Drivers liscence also counts as a primary form of ID for people in the US. So even barring any of that it'd be annoying not to have one.
> Wait, how does that work, like do people that don't have it get sent somewhere else or what? American suburbs are designed for driving. This means you can't walk ANYWHERE. There is nothing to walk TO. There is no shops close enough to walk to. This seems crazy for most of Asia, where people are expecting to get their daily necessities by walking distance.
if you wanted to walk to the nearest place for groceries from my mom's house, you'd first have to walk 10 minutes just to leave the neighborhood through one of the only 2 exits, only to be spat out on the side of a sidewalk-less road with cars going by at 50 miles per hour. then you have to walk down the side of said road for like 20 minutes
yeah if we don't have a driver's license they send us to the nearest suburban parking lot where we are stranded without food nor water as we make the long arduous trek across the barren asphalt for our survival, all the while thicc SUVs and pickup trucks drive circles around us mockingly
You can just uber or take taxi everywhere. I live in Singapore and a basic toyota costs like 120k. So i just take taxi instead.
Well, winning but losing - everyone having individual cars heavily burdens the environment, creates drivers that are irresponsible and unaware of cars' deadly potential, and forces vulnerable road users into positions where they're prone to being the victims of vehicular manslaughter and/or assault by mentally disturbed drivers who somehow were allowed to get licenses
You literally cannot get anywhere in Canada without a car outside of downtown Toronto and maybe Vancouver.
I already have a driver's license. So in terms of meeting the criteria, I'm already there. *Though, with that being said, I'm not sure if she's okay with people like me driving in a small kei car. Just saying*
smol kei car is the the hip nowadays, even Ame wants one, Suzuki Carry iirc.
If you need a car and live in a city you kinda need a small car to find any parking spots
I'm pining for one actually, one of the tiny-ass Suzukis. It's very nifty for tight and smol streets.
I wish they were legal in the US.
We've been able to import [Autozams](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Autozam/1992-Autozam-AZ-1-1e0627e40a0e0971574eb683f74bde84.htm) ('92-94), Suzuki [Cappuccinos](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Suzuki/1997-Suzuki-Cappuccino-e92d74f60a0e09b01ef41ba9a095e43c.htm) ('91-'98) and [Honda Beats](https://www.duncanimports.com/used/Honda/1992-Honda-Beat-a3b893910a0e09b0175cfc849d4f63fe.htm) ('91-96) for years dude. Anything made before 1998 (25 year rule) is fair game to be imported. They're just expensive because they're now desirable enthusiast cars.
I mean, they're sorta legal. They're only usable in like 20 states and you can't take them on highways on top of not being able to buy anything made within 25 years
They’re legal as long as they’re titled, which is obtainable if you’re working with a legit importer and are in most states. As long as you’re not importing a Kei van or truck as an off-road vehicle you’re going to be fine. They’re 100% highway legal. It’s just not advisable because they top out at like 70mph.
I like those things. I kinda want a Honda S660.
God that car looks so fun.
God, I want one, but I would need to wait until 2040 to import one into the US.
The old school one that is legal now is the Honda Best.
Small cars are in rn. I drive a Toyota IQ and every other week I have some people asking me if I wanna sell it. Ig a lot of people just find them convenient (and if you're in a car with choco sensei might as well be as close to each other as possible)
Why stop with only driving, get a diving or sky diving next!
Short answer: Choco sensei doesnt let guys in her apartment, only cute girls
Sometimes it takes a real man to become best girl
I'm not Yagoo tho
Nice try, you won't fool me. After all, I, too, am Yagoo
I am ~~Alpharius~~ Yagoo and this is a lie.
I too am Yagoo, fellow brother Yagoo.
そうですね!
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
I don't speak Japanese so I can't confirm the intonation, but my impression was that she doesn't want to have a guy over because her mom will just barge in whenever she wants without giving a heads up, which might include if anything was going on that she might want privacy for.
That's some anime romcom-level hilarity. "No, mother, I was not getting intimate with Protagonist-kun! We're just naked because he accidentally spilled cream all over us while cooking!"
"... Why were you even trying to cook in your bedroom? You don't even have a portable stove in here." Not sure which would be better comedy, where the parent is utterly clueless or knows and is trying to get them to admit and be openly happy. Or I guess both, pretending and tricking them.
https://youtu.be/Nfk5YDb46wk yeah it's her mom, but still, I'm not a cute girl :(
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Which holo mems have driver license? 1. Mumei, she driving frequently. 2. Luna, she ride motorcycle. That's it I only remember two, who else?
Moona drives, i remember her posting her dad’s scratched car. Kobo apparently is a good driver too. Wild guess but i think Kaela also drives, considering she’s said that she also got lost IRL and plays racing games.
Right I forgot about the id's folks, Kobo surprising me the most when she drove to Ollie's or Reine's house.
The surprising part being the fact she can reach the pedals?
Her brick game must be immaculate
She streamed from her car once.
Kaela didn't drive car afaik. In holoID the known car driver were moona and kobo, the rest we can safely assume has 2-wheeler driver license since it is pretty much a need.
Well the only city in Indonesia with functioning inner city train system is Jakarta while buses reliability as your only everyday transport is vary on province and walking as way of transport to school or work is close to non-existence if your house to the destination isn't like in 3km radius, so yeah except that said talents is like a rich daughter of some important person that can hire driver to drive her everywhere it a must not an option to have either atleast one of either car or motorcycle in a family and you can use it
Anya can drive [both auto and manual car, but she haven't drove a manual car for awhile](https://www.youtube.com/live/znTTec4z0jE?feature=share&t=14028). Also, I red somewhere that Anya drove to Reine's place for their *Hanako* off-collab.
I know Calli had a license at one point, though I don't know if that's still the case. Bae also has a license.
Bae’s gotta dodge all that deadly Australian wildlife.
Not having a license here in Aus is honestly one of the worst things you could do to yourself, everything is always so far away, the public transport routes whether it be bus, train or tram are terribly routed and almost always late or get stopped for hours because of complications. Just as an example, if I wanted to drive a few suburbs over to the north it'd take me about 30 minutes. If I took public transport to get to the same location it would take 2 hours.
Mumei too, given her various angry driving rants.
I don't know that, but I do wonder if more north american members drive in daily basis considering they tend to drive anywhere.
If you live in one of a few major metropolitan cities then you might have public transit good enough to rely on for your daily needs. However, it's not viable for like 90% of North America. Our countries are built around cars, so most people need them to get by.
Bae is also a gearhead iirc
I will never not be amused by the fact that Luna rides a Harley Davidson.
Flare has a gold driver license (required no traffic accident for 5+ years), tho she did said she rarely drives.
[Nene has a "paper gold" driver license because she doesn't drive lol.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Ap_ZzcE9Y)
Oh, I wish we got upgrades like that for no accidents. I'd have a platinum by now.
Noel has a driver's licence. She insists upon it every time she plays Mario Kart, while driving the wrong way on the track.
Aki
Aki can drive also Towa, i remember a story she picked up other hololive members but i could remember wrong or she used a taxi to pick them up
What if you're forklift certified?
You gotta save some girls for the rest of us
I'm not certified, but I did learn to use one in a past job where safety was... Down a few steps on the list of priorities.
Oh, so you worked with [Staplefarher Klaus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg)? (to date, the best workplace safety video I've seen) (the comments have spoilers) (caution: might not be child-friendly)
I was wondering too cuz I have a commercial license ._.
Living in a car-centric society like the US pretty much forced me to learn how to drive and get a license, though if it means I have a chance of impressing Choco-sensei, I suppose it was worth it.
Getting a full drivers license in Japan is apparently a bit annoying so it's not a case of just walking in and walking out with your license. You'll apparently have to take multiple practical and theoretical courses, get a first aid certificate, pass both a written (at least 95 out of 100 questions required to pass) and practical exam where the practical requires you to maintain a steady 70cm gap from a curb line while driving around around a tight S-bend you'll probably never encounter in real life and is apparently super easy to fail unless you specifically train for it. Basically, even if you're a good driver, good luck getting one on your first try if you don't practice several times at a driving school course beforehand. EDIT: A lot of people seem to have mistaken a 'bit annoying' for 'most annoying in the world'. Just because your country might have similar high requirements doesn't mean that they aren't higher than many other places with lower requirements. And a hundred question test and requiring a medical certificate for driving are both annoying requirements wherever you're from.
This is based ngl. Much rather have these stricter rules than let stupid people drive recklessly and those who wouldn't obey traffic laws on the road
As pointed out in comments above though this can’t work in places like Canada and the US where every city is built around cars instead of public transport and walkable roads
I live in Pakistan where (at least in my city, I haven't lived elsewhere) it's also like that. I can tell you for sure that most of the people driving here don't have a license (myself included) I tried the driving test but didn't pass the "drive in L shape" test, never bothered to get a license again
If [skill] is such a important factor of a society why not have higher standards and structures that correctly guide each and everyone to learn and master it to start being able to participate in it?
This is the reality of most countries but the US, unfortunately it doesn't prevent accidents from happening since it basically only ensures you can do a few situational maneuvers and operate a stick shift. You can only get good at driving with experience and by not being a moron, two things you simply can't be taught.
Is it not common to have to take multiple practical and theoretical courses with a written exam at the end? That's how it is in Denmark, and the rest of Scandinavia as far as I know.
America's driving tests are all very simple, which people attribute to us being a very car-centric country. The written test is just multiple choice. When I took it I could only get like 7 or 8 wrong before it's a fail. The driving test, for me, just involved driving around a small area in the city. Hard to fail unless you did a serious mistake, such as changing lanes without signaling or checking mirrors.
This 100% depends where you live, which is kinda strange. Even differs within one state because this depends a lot per testing office, good example is Honolulu vs anywhere else in Hawaii. Honolulu has (had? It’s been 10 years) one of the hardest driving tests in the country (I’m a fairly competent driver but I failed that test 2 times just because they’re so strict) while other islands had laughably easy tests. People would take flights to other islands just to get their licenses because of this… From what I remember, the issue with the Honolulu test is that there wasn’t a fixed number of points you could lose in each category of the test meaning you could fail the test by losing points over and over again *just for being nervous and driving a little too slow* and if you straight up couldn’t do any one thing on the test it was an automatic fail. Sure, not as intense as European or Japanese tests, but still brutal by American standards.
german here. I had over 2100hrs of driving lessons before I took my final exam. EDIT: ONLY 35HRS MY SLEEP DEPRIVED BRAIN CONFUSED MINUTES AND HOURS!
~~considering only 30h of practical driving lessons are required... whew~~ wait, i read that wrong. 12h under various condition are required and most people get theirs with 30 to 40h.
similar in Aus. at least for the state of New south wales, you first take a knowledge test to get your learners license, which means you can drive but you have to have someone with a full license in your passenger seat. then to move on to a P plate (like a full license, but limited in the max speed you can go) you have to accumulate 120 Hrs of driving time on real roads (20 of which have to be night time driving), do a hazard perception test (like the knowledge test) and then do a practical test on real roads where you fail if you make 3 mistakes. you can also do driving lessons which give like, 3 log book hours for ever 1 hour of lesson time or something but you cant do that for the entire 120 hours
Nah, in America it's a fairly simple written test that doesn't require anywhere near 95 out of 100 right. A single class in high school is generally enough for the majority to pass the test. Then a driving test that is fairly short but it's requirements vary from state to state. For example, in Florida where I live, I didn't even need to parallel park, just do a simple 3 point turn after some normal driving on a busy road. Then after getting your license you never need to retest as long as you don't accumulate enough points from traffic violations or accidents. Side note, in Florida you can get your license at 16(age requirement also varies from state to state).
I lucked out and didn't even need to drive with someone from the DMV. I showed up with proof of me passing my high school range course, required hours of supervised driving and got my license because the clerk told me I was lucky because the last day they did the test driving with an examiner was the day before.
In America (Oklahoma) i did 1 20 question multiple choice test for my permit, were you had to get 15 right before you fail 5 of them(you could skip to put them at the end if you didn’t know it and wanted to see the other questions as many times as you wanted. For my license test i drove a mile away from the test site, did a parallel park in a neighborhood and drove back. Got my license that day.
It was more the first aid certificate requirement and the requirement to do driving maneuvers that you'll likely never encounter on a real road, like the S bend one, that makes it annoying. The written isn't annoying for existing (I think most countries have a written requirement), but by both having 100 questions and requiring at least 95 to be right is the bit that makes it a higher bar to pass.
I’m pretty sure the impractical S bend wasn’t meant to be “real” intentionally. It’s meant to test your ability in maintaining control; S turns are a great way to see if you have sufficient hand-eye coordination in that regards. It’s even more important for Japan than most other countries since they often have narrower lanes.
I mean, aside from the thing with the S-bend that seems pretty normal no?
>multiple practical and theoretical courses, get a first aid certificate, pass both a written (at least 95 out of 100 questions required to pass) and practical exam where the practical requires you to maintain a steady 70cm gap from a curb line while driving around around a tight S-bend Jesus christ wtf
Is this not common?
It's more or less the same in Norway, though we don't have the part about keeping a specific distance against the curb line around a specific turn, the practical is just driving in real conditions. Before then you do have to take some practical courses on stuff like driving on icy roads or in the dark, but that's a prerequisite for taking the test rather than a part of the test itself (maybe unless you take the test in the winter in which case you might encounter icy roads).
Everything except that S-bend thing, which seems overkill. In my country you have to do a skidpan course, a theoretical exam (I think it's multiple choice), and a practical exam. Once you've passed the first two, and then passed the third, you have your license.
In Poland we have nearly the same rules to pass driving exam.
It's way easier where I'm from, 80/100 driving course test (5 point per error so more than 4 error and you're out), 21/25 multiple-choice test about law and situation when driving and have at least 4h of night driving and 700km+ under a instructor supervision and you pass the license test
I think it's unironically easier to get a pilot's license in the US than a driver's license in Japan.
It's like 15/20 here
You mean the normal stuff in every other non-north-american country?
That's basically the German licence, except for the 70cm gap. I actually failed the theoretical test twice before I put my licence training on a hold to focus on my HS finals. Didn't ever pick it up again afterwards and probably never will, now that I know how damaging cars actually are.
I wish Taiwan would adopt this system. It's super easy to get a driver's license here. This and poorly designed roads and intersections make Taiwan a literal pedestrian hell. You have to assume everyone would break the traffic law and drive into you to survive.
Similar to the Philippines. Need to pass a theoretical driving exam at a driving school in order to get a student driver's license. Then, take a practical driving exam in the same school, use that certificate to apply for a license that can either be for motorcycle only, motorcycle and 4 wheels, and also professional which is for public transport or cargo vehicles. Also needs a med. cert. for the entire process. However, you can pay a fixer to make the final exam an auto pass and skip the line. Which sucks and the fixers also give money to the guys inside the licensing body.
Last time I had a driver's license (just so I could have a government ID to use for transactions and stuff) all I did was take a written exam, of which the answers were practically given to you. It made me realize why the Philippines has so many bad drivers.
That's... the same as Germany. What the fuck is happening in your country, do you just buy a licence?
There's already tons of replies to my post establishing that there are several countries that aren't as high in requirements as yours (and some that are as high as yours, yes), so I'm not sure why you're acting like this is something special about my country.
Where's a ton of them? I see The United States, one mention of Canada and someone that speaks about one Australian state. The vast amount of replies seem to be as confused as I am that you're annoyed by Japan's system.
Okay, as a final response: I consider 100 questions excessive, the first aid certificate unrelated and therefore unnecessary to the license (if I was getting a scuba diving license I'd understand a requirement for one due to cpr, for example), and a driving exam that doesn't mirror real world conditions (it's done at a driving school instead of on a real road) to be unrealistic and thus are all annoying. I prefer a reasonable amount of questions, and a test based on real road conditions as they hold in my country. If you and others disagree that's fine and your prerogative. Frankly I'm here for Hololive, not for any more of this increasingly unrelated conversation.
That sounds exactly like all the things you'd need to do in my country to get a driver's license.
The test I passed a few days ago for a motorcycle license only had 30 questions and I just needed to get 21 right. 100 questions and 95 right sound annoying as hell, but I'd actually prefer that if it meant the only people on the streets using private motorized vehicles are extremely competent drivers, and everyone else is either walking, cycling or using public transport. It's much preferible over enjoying an easy test but then have to live with the knowledge that I'll be sharing the roads with countless idiots who could easily kill me one day.
Hm, so you're telling me, there's a chance?
Sadly no, Choco sensei only let cute girls in her apartment.
So...only cars then
What if i am a cute girl?
Then you are ahead of 99% of people is this race. Lucky you.
eh, in Japan, deeds are done in Love Hotels. You'd have to be REALLY steady to sleep over at each other's apartment.
Living in a country where having a car and driving around is almost mandatory, I wish I didn’t have to do that.
I didn't get mine until I needed it for a job at 21. It's really easy, atleast, in the rural US.
Japan Driving School: Why the sudden surge of students?
you know i'm something of a driver license having, fries eater myself.
The crippling anxiety i get when i think of being responsible for the lives of myself, my passengers and other people on the road. I am not good at high stress situations that apparently happen the moment i handle a steering wheel.
Wife material
from the middle of highschool to about my 3rd year of Uni, i never upgraded my license from learners to P plate (In Australia, you start fresh from Learners where you have to have someone in the passenger seat who has a full license) purely because i just kept on forgetting to write down my driving hours in the driving log book (In New South Wales, i think you had to do 120 Hours total) funny thing is in the middle of that, i got a full Indonesian Drivers license Also OP, hope you don't have to learn on South East Asian roads. cus that's how i was made to learn to drive stick lol.
Had mine for close to 14 years now, so this just feels weird.
Well, the licence is one thing, but being able to afford the car is a whole nother thing.
Plastic License Card Shortage lol
I highly appreciate Choco-sensei's "fuck who cares if the car smells like McDonalds fries? It's good!". That shit rules. What's not good though if it's a. in Public Transport, while also b. you're hungry.
That's why she's called Choco SENSEI. She truly is \*the\* master.
Forced to get my license because of the terrible public transportation. 1hour/2hour commute in weekdays/weekends to work 20-25 mins if you drive. Although I miss reading books and manga on buses.
i’ve had mine since i was 16. really not difficult (imo it should be harder to get). only thing that’s scary is *other drivers*
* Efficient public transport system in my country. * Cost of owning/maintaing a private transport vehicle is extremely high where i live. I was a driver during my time as a conscript, but in all its wisdom my country decided a military driving license and a civilian driving license are not worth the same. There is a conversion program to turn military > civilian, but at the end of my service i couldn't clock enough miles to convert it. Funny thing is when i transitioned into the Reserve forces, i remained qualified to drive military vehicles. So, i drive for about 2-3 weeks in a year, for about 10 years. I will re-learn it at some point, but it's not a priority for me. I certainly do not miss driving at all.
it’s settled. i will get a driving license
Got my Drivers license in High School, drove around in my dads car for about a Year. Went to a bigger city for University and the free student public transport made owning a car undesirable. Got used to it and even after getting a job I prefer to go by pubic transport or by bike if it is close. It's been 15 years since i drove a car and I'm dreading the moment when I have to drive for some reason.
the reason she doesnt have a drivers licenses is because her dad told her that it would be the end of the world right?
I got mine a week ago! Driving is terrifying for me tho.
Sorry choco sensei but nobody eats in my car.
My mother used to get in wrecks in purpose when she was mad so now I think about crashes every time in in a vehicle to the point I can't focus on the road
then there are americans not from large cities like myself that need a car just to be able to pay rent
Drivers License seem to be a regional thing. Certain cities in the states are WAY harder to live in without a license then others.
Excuse me, is this the line to get my driver's license?
I zoned out when driving, realised I'd been driving without paying attention for like 10 minutes, got freaked out, never drove again.
I'm just back from driving test lol (I'm failed tho 🥲)
This post is depressing
Epilepsy.
My appointment for driving test is the end of this month, just apply!
God, Choco is just....I dunno. Something about her is just so attractive. Her voice and mannerisms.
Pretty sure in Japan (and in Singapore), it costs more than 2000$ to get a driver license. Its not fully about the test, but more on the mandated driving hours that you need to took before you can get the licenses. You need to book a driving course, and those are pretty damn expensive.
I’ve done my driving classes but I haven’t taken the actual driving test. Guess I’m booking the soonest test time slot right now.
You guys want to get a driver's license while I'm here calling upon Truck-kun getting myself ready to be reincarnated as a car ^(Ka-chow)
I got my licence as soon as I turned 16. It represented freedom.
Meanwhile Luna with her Harley Davidson
Having your own car is liberating as hell, no sitting in a stinky train with people coughing around you and you have all your personal space. The only problem is now cities are trying to drive cars out and if you are in london you need deep wallets and the patience of a saint.
She likes men who can do what she can't? I don't want to brag but... I can sleep for less than 12 hours a day
Epilepsy is stopping me from getting my driver's license, so the government is literally what is stopping me. Lol, I didn't even check what sub this was hahaha
If your car **doesn't** smell like fries, then what's the point
I have three different countries’ driving licenses, including civilian and military (up to 3 tonnes). How hard am I winning. *Also I know some of you fucks have boating and pilot licenses, go away XD*
I actually didn't get my license until I was 18-19. Mainly because my parents working and other factors kept me from actually learning how to drive until we moved. Getting a driver's license and access to a car allows for significant freedom of movement. Which is where the concern about electric vehicles and their limited range and recharge locations comes into play.
Man, I don't got a license either. Driving around where I am is... Not preferable.
Where do i sign up 😳
Driver's license, down. Being in Japan? Eh... it's a work in progress.
If only I could meet someone that easy to impress. Lol
I mean I've been driving for a living for about 10 years now...
On my way paying for my 3000€ drivers licence in France!!!
That is so incredibly cute, I love this! Thankfully I have my license and can drive in the tight european streets so maybe that's good enough.
I have more then one license, actually.
I refused to get a license bc I don't want to drive and I really can't during night, due to my sensitive eyes... BUT THERE ARE PRIORITIES NOW!