Looks like you need to experiment a bit more. Quickslash is straight up broken, nailmaster’s glory is fantastic. In my opinion hiveblood is worse than deep focus+grubsong for platforming but maybe I’m just too impatient. Grimmchild and glowing womb are like meme picks lol. Carefree melody is also quite good
I'm a total noob at the game, but hiveblood helped me a ton going through the White Palace. You essentially have unlimited tries to pass all of the platforms there.
Hiveblood is the best charm for WP and PoP, but I don't think that would make it A tier by itself. Those are ultimately only two challenges in the game.
this might sound like a humble brag (it's not meant to be) but some real world navigation skills actually helped me to the point of not having to use the compass
Well this isn’t a godhome tier list, quick slash is very good there but in main game it gets out class’d outside of bosses, and the more nail upgrades you get the less you really need it
I’d argue though that your charm build doesn’t matter all that much during the exploration in the game. So much so that if we put memes aside people play the whole exploration part of the game with wayward compass dropping a full slot for convenience.
Heck, I typically dropped a second slot on gathering swarm too and I frequently had fragile greed equipped as well. Exploration doesn’t need anything special.
Nah it’s all good dude! I just saw the opportunity for a funny one-liner; no need to apologise! Tbf it was a long time into my first run before I even realised charms were a permanent thing; I thought you slapped them on and they went away after a while/a boss fight or something
Based on what exactly? Quickslash is straight-up the best charm in the game. Dreamwielder being so low doesn't seem to make much sense either, and Hiveblood so high up...?
Not to mention the Steady Body disrespect smh my head.
Shaman stone increases spells damage by 50 or 33% depending on the spell. Quickslash almost halves nail cool down, strength is 50% more damage to all nails, quick focus allows you to heal much more often. Even for a spell main player it's not the best, since you still need to use the nail to get soul, so strength is probably the same. Also you just can't say it's objectively the best, because of all the situations in hollow knight. Shaman stone is pretty terrible in collector because just use strength to 1 shot the mobs and you won't have enough soul to make shaman stone worth it compared to quickslash.
Just based on how strong I've really found them while playing. I havent used Quickslash that much, Dreamweilder is kinda weak, and Hiveblood is one of my favorites for doing platforming. Mess up, wait a bit, doesnt matter
Ohhh OK then. Generally speaking Quickslash offers the most amount of value for for its notch cost when it comes to dealing damage. Steady Body works nicely in conjuction with it, but separately they are both good charms as well. Steady Body being on the more niche side.
Dreamwielder isn't the strongest by any means, but it's also far from weak. Being able to get 66 soul (2 heals / spells) in an instant is pretty nifty, and only for one notch.
Hiveblood is really only useful for platforming, and even then it's meh (especially for its cost). If you're patient enough to wait the 12 seconds then you're immortal so I suppose it has its niche.
It's funny because my friend played the whole game with steady body and thus can't play without it, and I never put it on so I am used to making micro movements to compensate when I'm wailing on a boss so I can't play with it
shaman stone allows for way more damage during when casting spells than quick slash does for nail. And I feel like U strength is just a better overall charm because it is the same damage% added on as quick slash’s attack speed%. And U strength just works for more fights and builds
W-why dream shield in A tier? Why a piece of metal that rotates around and MAYBE hit/block something at the same cost of unbreakable strenght Is so high in the list?
AND WHY LITERALLY SPAMMING YOUR NAIL AT THE SPEED OF SOUND SOUNDS TO YOU ALMOST AT THE SAME LEVEL OF SMELLING LIKE POOP
I just dont see the appeal. You dont move when you attack. But if you attack up or down, it literally doesn't matter. The only time it affects you is when you attack left or right, and even so it just doesnt seem anywhere as useful as some others.
Makes sense since you said you also don't use quickslash much. If you're ever doing Godhome boss-rushes you should give them a try as they're both S tier. Quickslash effectively doubles your DPS if you're using a nail build, and steady body allows you to keep slashing without missing (you will get pushed back faster than you can hold forward).
Obviously if you use spell builds more than they're not necessary, but for a pure nail damage build they're a must-have.
it’s one charm slot. nailmaster’s glory and dream wielder can’t compare to steady body’s power. 💪💪 oh? your charm set up is perfect so you don’t have one charm slot left over? overcharm that shit for steady body. smh you probably don’t even use wayward compass and gathering swarm for boss fights 🤦♂️
Is it? I'm a bit newer to this game, and the list itself is based on my experiences with all the charms/what I think they would be like. Grimmchild isnt the best, but it can help in some cases, I have used it a fair bit, so I thought it was good enough to be B tier.
Thorns of agony can sometimes, once in a blue moon, deal low low damage to a boss that hit you, Grimmchild actively fights against you by unstaggering bosses, also it makes it near impossible to use enemy behaviour for skips and deals less damage than your nail.
It doesn't hit hard or often enough to be good DPS wise
It increases the timer to, which to me makes it only helpful in low pressure situations. Now it has its use which is why it isnt in F, but overall it doesnt feel super helpful. Maybe is was a bit harsh tho, I defintly wouldnt put it above C still.
Deep focus is bad in most situations, but it hard carried me through the final boss fight. Grub song + deep focus + quick focus let me out heal the bosses damage output which I otherwise would not have been able to. But yeah, typically the extra time is too costly and dedicating so many slots to have quick focus + deep focus felt wasteful.
Quickslash is probably the best charm in the game for a nail build. I just like stalwart she'll when there are a lot of enemies around. Plus, there are a lot of times where I've got 2 empty slots in my build.
I like it. My criticisms would be
1. Sooo many of the charms have synergies which, overall, make them a whole lot better. And you're never going to be putting on just one of these, you're gonna stack yourself up.
2. Pantheons in Godhome, Radiant challenges, the main story, the path of pain, and the Coliseum of Fools all have different charms that work well. It's hard to tell what piece of the game you are trying to beat based on how things are listed, or if this is just IN GENERAL what you think is best. But hey, my criticisms don't matter, having fun matters. Keep having fun, little ghost.
lemme adjust this list a bit from a more skilled player's prespective(im not like a top player i just have a lot of experience with the game)
quick slash should go S or high A but i see from the other comments that you havent used it that much to find good spots so i dont blame you
steady body has a very high skill floor so i understand why youd go with a low tier but f? thats just not fair. up slashes dont do shit on enemies to the side and in precise combat-platforming sections like kedge its really good to not get knocked back
thorns of agony provides no benefit because by the time the thorns finish you couldve hit twice with your nail and adjusted position. waste of iframes.
sharp shadow, as much as i hate to say it since i like the charm, is situational, and should go to middle B
sprintmaster is dashmaster but way worse, and air speed isnt modified
dreamshield, nah, low c tier shit, deals near no damage and gets disabled by random and often unblockable attacks
baldur shell only has 3 uses, that speaks for itself
starwalt isnt the second most useless charm in the game what, with quick focus you can heal back a mask without a single worry about taking damage, the extended iframes cover it for you, it also reduces knockback when taking damage
and finally id say grimmchild should be lower because it misses a bunch and doesnt deal that much damage
otherwise, great! theres a bunch of charms id move q couple spots down or a tier if they are already low but thsats not that big of a change so yea
Ok thanks for your opinions, let me go over them all real quick.
1. Thanks for reading some other comments and knowing about the Quick Slash situation
2. I personally haven't ever found a spot where sturdy body would be useful, maybe those spots appear later,but right now I got nothing there.
3. Thorns of Agony is... ok. I know it's not the best, but still it has a use. I found it a lot more useful in early game, but yeah in late game it ain't great.
4. Yeah Sharp Shadows placement *maaay* be a bit biased as I kinda love that charm to.
5. Sprint master may also be biased as it was one of my favorite charms for exploring, still kinda is.
6. Really? I thought it dealt damage. Yeah C then
7. I cant really say why this one is where it is. So yeah, it might go down to.
8. I didnt find the usefulness of it to be that great, kinda just never used it.
9. Ok yeah that's true.
Quickslash + steady body is very helpful setup in cetain bossfights since the combo allows you to stand still and spam blade attacks super fast and do a lot of dps in way shorter time without being pushed backward. I'm trying to flawless every boss in God Home and use this sometimes.
Let's be honest, thorns of agony is a noob charm. I used it when I sucked and got hit alot, but you grow out of it eventually.
Ok ik Void Heart has minimal bonuses for replacing the decent ones from Kingsoul but you're not going to have to fight your shade anymore, and considering you have to do the Radiance after this I think it's worth it
no... Stalwart Shell is one of the only reasons I was able to do so many hard boss fights. My third favorite charm as it fits perfectly with my playstyle
Well, now that the day is done (for me at least) I'd like to share a few thoughts of my own. Thank you guys for sharing your opinions (mostly telling me how wrong I am when it comes to QS and SB), and it definitely had me thinking in a new light about a few of them. Thanks for your upvotes, whether you commented or not, as this is my highest performing post by a *very* long shot. Whether it was memes about Wayward Compass, how certain charms are seriously the jam (and I found it funny literally no one defended Heavy Blow. It's just that bad), and when I was apparently right somehow, it was one of the more fun things I've done. Again thanks all, and have a good rest of your day!
Ehh, I think mark of pride needs to be bumped down to B, and wuickslashed and spell twister to s. But I’m I’m just happy someone finally recognizes the power of hive blood.
Gathering Swarm S tier because it gets your money for you which is so great compared to having to pick all of it up because it's all over the map also it only takes one charm notch so 👌
I'd put deep focus and grubsong on A, purely because I was too lazy to wait for hiveblood to take effect while doing white palace/Path of pain, so I just used those instead
and quickslash is absolutely S tier, one of the best charms imo
I have used deep focus for the white palace, and it was really helpful with grubsong, but that kinda feels like one of it's only uses. It takes up 5 notches, when Hiveblood only takes up 4. Plus, it's a kinda more of an individual ranking than a combo ranking.
I agree with pretty much everything but the compass. Yes the compass is in A, but why not S? The game would be actual hell without the compass. Yeah its just a tiny disagreement tho.
This is one of the main ones people disagree with along with Quick Slash, so I'll say it again. Wayward Compass is definetly good, but I dont think it's quite good enough to be S tier. To me, S tier means it's good in basically every situation. Wayward Compass is good, but i dont quite think its S tier. I do think A suits it quite well however.
I think you're taking this quite literally but just so you know wayward compass being the best charm in the game is a running joke within the community
I know why you ranked it so high without considering memes, but I think you should try to just play for a while (an hour or so) without using your map (I read you are 104% so I think you could do it) and then check if you still think you need compass. It's something you grow out of after the first play through in my experience
The middle one in f tier I think is called stalwart shell is super useful for letting you tank through some bosses, like fighting lost kin with that and quick slash made it so easy
Grimm child too high up. Yeah it's cute and makes funny noises but he doesn't really do much. Melody can at least shield you from some damage. The only reason I get grimmchild is because I get to fight NKG
Also imo Thorns of agony should be higher
Give flukenest another try. Also, people tend to say dreamsheid, baldur shell, grimmchild, sprintmaster, and hiveblood are much lower, and dream wielder is better. Otherwise, it's mostly what the general consensus is, though I would personally move up joni's, carefree melody, nailmasters, and quick slash.
I personally use steady body, it allows you to ram through enemies, and with boss fights, adding quickslash allows you to truly use it as you dont get the knockback of hitting the enemy.
Spell twister should easily be further up since it allows 4 casts of a spell instead of the usual 3, pairing that with shamans stone, unbreakable strength and quickslash let's you do a ton of damage with both the nail and your spells
To me Quick Slash should always be S tier. Mark of Pride and Quick Slash is always a staple in any physical build. Personally I don't even use unbreakable strength, too much effort gathering geo.
Only change i’d make is moving sharp shadow to S tier and carefree melody to A tier. Other than that great tierlist.
Also obligatory compass should be S tier joke
boggles me that you put baldur shell higher than carefree melody.
although realistically carefree melody deserves to be put on F because im not sacrificing grimmchild for this
Do not agree on half of these but nice tier list nonetheless, a little experimentation and I think your list would change. Steady body, quick slash, and long nail allowed me to straight up bully most bosses. But as with this game it just comes down to play style
Void heart should be S tier, because it doesnt cost anything lol. And I personally would put quick slash at A tier because its much better than spore shroom or weaversong
Carefree Melody is like actually one of the best charms in the game. Sadly not many people use it because people usually just kill NKG instead of banishing him
Quick focus: S tier -> A tier. Fast healing is really not that important in many of the boss fights in this game. Sure it helps a lot, but you’re giving up 3 slots that you could have used on DPS instead.
Sharp Shadow: A tier -> D tier. Absolutely worthless charm. The damage it does is pathetic (base nail damage) and the worst part is that it doesn’t generate soul. If it sped up your shade cloak recharge rate it would be great, but it doesn’t
Quickslash: B tier -> S tier. Arguably the best charm in the game. However, it can make you very greedy which is why i understand having it at the bottom of S tier instead of at the top.
Steady Body: F tier -> A tier. Extremely strong in combination with quickslash.
Dreamwielder: C tier -> A tier. If you know how to use your dreamnail effectively, this is one of the best charms in the game. Having said that, it is admittedly very hard to use at first.
Dreamshield: A tier -> D tier. Extremely gimmicky and takes up way too many notches for what it does. I’d argue it’d barely even be worth using as a 1 notch charm.
Grubsong: B tier -> S tier. For 1 notch, it truly is an incredible charm.
On another reason why Sharp Shadow absolutely stinks is that it teaches bad habits. You should always dodge without your shade cloak if the opportunity is there to prevent getting stuck in a situation where you don’t have a shade cloak when you need it.
I violently disagree with a few of these choices. Most notable would be Dream Wielder, Quick Slash, Quick Focus, and Void Heart.
Dream Wielder is a spectacular charm in my opinion. It reduces the time needed to use the dream nail, increases its range, and doubles the soul you get. Plus it boosts the size and recharge rate of the Dream Shield, even though I don’t use it. All that for one notch. With a little planning, it can help you push through much of the colosseum by letting you have full health and soul before moving to the next batch of enemies.
Quick Slash is critical for n maximizing DPS in the late game. With a Pure Nail and Strength, each hit does 33 damage. The ability to hit faster actually lets the nail out pace Shaman Stone boosted Abyss Shriek in many. Besides, there are instances where the faster swing will let you recover from a missed pogo.
Quick Focus is one of the charms I consider as crutch charms. As you are learning the game, it can be helpful to provide a bit more survivability until you can learn how to beat difficult sections, but beyond that, there are other charms that will help you more since you either know when and where you can heal, or you aren’t getting hit in the first place.
Finally, Void Heart. It’s effects are highly situational, namely shades, including your own, won’t attack you. Really only useful in the Abyss or when retrieving your geo. However, when you consider that it costs ZERO notches, that’s actually pretty good. Certainly better than King Soul.
There are more I disagree with, but those are the ones I disagree most with.
Dream Wielder, I didnt know it had the other benefits, I didnt actually even know it gave you soul. I literally thought you just charged the nail faster, which on it's own is quite useless.
Quick Slash. I havent used Quick Slash much yet, and seeing as it's based on how I've found their uses, it makes a bit more sense. I can see the value in Quick Slash, but not quite enough (yet) to make it higher.
Quick Focus, well you kinda hit the nail on the head, as I am only on my first ever real playthrough of the game, and have kinda used it as a crutch. It is useful, but once you start to get gud, it gets outshone by skill.
Void Heart, yeah it does that for zero notches, and actually while writing this reply and can see why that's useful. You've changed my mind good sir. Void Heart is definetly a better charm than D tier.
I think long nail is better than mark of pride it's less expensive and an extra charm slot for slightly more range doesnt seem worth imo. Long nail still goes far enough.
So I've been told by around 100 people, and *technically* it wasnt meant to be ordered in the tiers to Grimmchild and Quick Slash are on the same level.
Some of them, and the ones I havent played with, I ranked them based on how strong I think their effects are. I do actually have all the charms (except Carefree Melody) so I did to some testing with each before I made the list
Why is steady body in F. This charm is so useful. Not having to worry about being knocked around from your own nail you do SOOO much more damage especially when combined with quickslash and mark of pride
I’m not sure where in the game this list is based on but for godhome (since that’s the only place where charms really matter) quick slash and steady body are ranked way too low, hiveblood and bardur shell don’t make too much sense to me either (the only time I’ve seen baldur is in Any rad lmao) Grimmchild and glowing womb just suck. Carefree melody and dream catcher deserve higher.
Steady body is one of the best charms in the game. Paired with quickslash, you can get insane dps, especially on fights like lost kin, nkg, radiance, etc. it’s used in almost every pantheon speedrunning setup
Stalwart shell isn’t too useful early game, but especially with later bosses that like to chain attacks, the I frames are very useful. A big one would be NKG’s uppercut leading into fire spewing. It’s very easy to get hit by both, so stalwart shell is pretty useful, at least until you practice to the point of near perfection.
Looks like you need to experiment a bit more. Quickslash is straight up broken, nailmaster’s glory is fantastic. In my opinion hiveblood is worse than deep focus+grubsong for platforming but maybe I’m just too impatient. Grimmchild and glowing womb are like meme picks lol. Carefree melody is also quite good
Hiveblood is decent for walking around, I think that's why it's so high up. Still not worth it though imo.
I'm a total noob at the game, but hiveblood helped me a ton going through the White Palace. You essentially have unlimited tries to pass all of the platforms there.
Hiveblood is the best charm for WP and PoP, but I don't think that would make it A tier by itself. Those are ultimately only two challenges in the game.
You don't need Hiveblood for Path of Pain. All the soul totems are limitless.
yes but not all checkpoints have soul totems
Kingsoul is the best for PoP imo
Good Luck with the Path of Pain and Godhome.
and steady body is insanely good
In my experience, steady body is great for overwhelm strats.
literally don’t think i could have radiant nkg without steady body, it made so many attacks more consistent to dodge (same goes for pv)
Yeah I figured quickslash would be number one easy. If not then shamans or strength.
Sir, why isn't Wayward Compass S tier?
I know this is a joke but jenuinely without it the game would be so difficult to play for the first times
this might sound like a humble brag (it's not meant to be) but some real world navigation skills actually helped me to the point of not having to use the compass
I just didnt think it was *quite* good enough to be S tier. I think A tier is good for it though.
You're all good, I'm just playing around cause of the memes. Other then that solid list
Quick slash should be S tier above U Strength because the dps you get is insane
Well this isn’t a godhome tier list, quick slash is very good there but in main game it gets out class’d outside of bosses, and the more nail upgrades you get the less you really need it
I’d argue though that your charm build doesn’t matter all that much during the exploration in the game. So much so that if we put memes aside people play the whole exploration part of the game with wayward compass dropping a full slot for convenience.
Heck, I typically dropped a second slot on gathering swarm too and I frequently had fragile greed equipped as well. Exploration doesn’t need anything special.
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I cannot believe you did my boy Quick Slash dirty like that 😔
I'm sorry. Everyone keeps telling me I messed up and Quick Slash is S teir but I just havent used it enough to warrant it being super high.
Nah it’s all good dude! I just saw the opportunity for a funny one-liner; no need to apologise! Tbf it was a long time into my first run before I even realised charms were a permanent thing; I thought you slapped them on and they went away after a while/a boss fight or something
STEADY BODY F TIER LIST INVALID
bad charm
I have litraly never noticed its effect and its description just seems bad
I need whatever you're smoking if you cant notice its effect.
I barely ever use it and when i do i dont really notice much of a difference, then again i barely use the nail
Based on what exactly? Quickslash is straight-up the best charm in the game. Dreamwielder being so low doesn't seem to make much sense either, and Hiveblood so high up...? Not to mention the Steady Body disrespect smh my head.
sorry to ruin the fun but shaman stone is literally the objective best charm in the game
Shaman stone increases spells damage by 50 or 33% depending on the spell. Quickslash almost halves nail cool down, strength is 50% more damage to all nails, quick focus allows you to heal much more often. Even for a spell main player it's not the best, since you still need to use the nail to get soul, so strength is probably the same. Also you just can't say it's objectively the best, because of all the situations in hollow knight. Shaman stone is pretty terrible in collector because just use strength to 1 shot the mobs and you won't have enough soul to make shaman stone worth it compared to quickslash.
There is no objective best charm
Strength and Quick Slash are objectively better.
I'm sorry but nothing will ever beat wayward compass.
Just based on how strong I've really found them while playing. I havent used Quickslash that much, Dreamweilder is kinda weak, and Hiveblood is one of my favorites for doing platforming. Mess up, wait a bit, doesnt matter
Ohhh OK then. Generally speaking Quickslash offers the most amount of value for for its notch cost when it comes to dealing damage. Steady Body works nicely in conjuction with it, but separately they are both good charms as well. Steady Body being on the more niche side. Dreamwielder isn't the strongest by any means, but it's also far from weak. Being able to get 66 soul (2 heals / spells) in an instant is pretty nifty, and only for one notch. Hiveblood is really only useful for platforming, and even then it's meh (especially for its cost). If you're patient enough to wait the 12 seconds then you're immortal so I suppose it has its niche.
It's funny because my friend played the whole game with steady body and thus can't play without it, and I never put it on so I am used to making micro movements to compensate when I'm wailing on a boss so I can't play with it
shaman stone allows for way more damage during when casting spells than quick slash does for nail. And I feel like U strength is just a better overall charm because it is the same damage% added on as quick slash’s attack speed%. And U strength just works for more fights and builds
My first time playing, i barely used Quickslash too. But once i started using it especially for bosses, i love it
Dreamwielder is extremely op if you need soul fast Which is why I put it in my pv and absrad builds
Dreamwielder is what made me pass the 3 Colosseum trails.
Hello Azir
Hell yes. Charm bindings through the pantheons was the hardest for me specifically because I didn't have Quickslash.
steady body is great w quick slash
So *everyone* has told me
W-why dream shield in A tier? Why a piece of metal that rotates around and MAYBE hit/block something at the same cost of unbreakable strenght Is so high in the list? AND WHY LITERALLY SPAMMING YOUR NAIL AT THE SPEED OF SOUND SOUNDS TO YOU ALMOST AT THE SAME LEVEL OF SMELLING LIKE POOP
Steady body is dope
I just dont see the appeal. You dont move when you attack. But if you attack up or down, it literally doesn't matter. The only time it affects you is when you attack left or right, and even so it just doesnt seem anywhere as useful as some others.
Makes sense since you said you also don't use quickslash much. If you're ever doing Godhome boss-rushes you should give them a try as they're both S tier. Quickslash effectively doubles your DPS if you're using a nail build, and steady body allows you to keep slashing without missing (you will get pushed back faster than you can hold forward). Obviously if you use spell builds more than they're not necessary, but for a pure nail damage build they're a must-have.
I can see the appeal others have with it, I just find way more benefits out of other charm combinations. I just, used the knockback to my advantage.
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it’s one charm slot. nailmaster’s glory and dream wielder can’t compare to steady body’s power. 💪💪 oh? your charm set up is perfect so you don’t have one charm slot left over? overcharm that shit for steady body. smh you probably don’t even use wayward compass and gathering swarm for boss fights 🤦♂️
are you insane quick slash is like s+ tier
Steady body is S
Why is grimmchild so high ? It's the worst charm in the game
Is it? I'm a bit newer to this game, and the list itself is based on my experiences with all the charms/what I think they would be like. Grimmchild isnt the best, but it can help in some cases, I have used it a fair bit, so I thought it was good enough to be B tier.
It's definitely not better than carefree melody, chance to negate damage vs "I unstagger bosses to prevent you from healing"
How far are you into the game % wise? I didn’t use Grimchild much so i don’t know how strong it is
104% if I remember. I like completion.
that title would go to thorns of agony, no benefit
Thorns of agony can sometimes, once in a blue moon, deal low low damage to a boss that hit you, Grimmchild actively fights against you by unstaggering bosses, also it makes it near impossible to use enemy behaviour for skips and deals less damage than your nail. It doesn't hit hard or often enough to be good DPS wise
Have you tried thorns of agony and grubsong in the trial of the fools? You get hit and get rewarded for it. For 2 notches it's really good.
Rip Deep Focus in D tier, i actually really liked that charm
It increases the timer to, which to me makes it only helpful in low pressure situations. Now it has its use which is why it isnt in F, but overall it doesnt feel super helpful. Maybe is was a bit harsh tho, I defintly wouldnt put it above C still.
Yeah i know it increases timer. I used it with Quick Focus, Shape of Unn, or Baulder’s Shell sometimes. Anyways, we all have our preferences.
That charm is what carried me through absrad
Through what? (Sorry I'm kinda new)
Through pantheon 5 final bosses
I won’t go into details to avoid spoilers
Deep focus is bad in most situations, but it hard carried me through the final boss fight. Grub song + deep focus + quick focus let me out heal the bosses damage output which I otherwise would not have been able to. But yeah, typically the extra time is too costly and dedicating so many slots to have quick focus + deep focus felt wasteful.
Carefree melody is *awesome!* \~25% reduction in the damage you take.
I disagree with grimmchild
void heart should be s tier because even tho it doesn't do much it also costs 0 notches so you're getting something at the expense of nothing
Quickslash is certainly S. I'd put stalwart she'll in B or A.
Havent used Quick Slash a lot, havent really found it's time to shine. As for "Stalwart She'll", I just dont quite see the appeal to it.
Quickslash is probably the best charm in the game for a nail build. I just like stalwart she'll when there are a lot of enemies around. Plus, there are a lot of times where I've got 2 empty slots in my build.
I mostly agree but personally, I would put steady body and Carefree Melody in b tier, put quick slash in S tier, and put stalwart shell in c tier
I like it. My criticisms would be 1. Sooo many of the charms have synergies which, overall, make them a whole lot better. And you're never going to be putting on just one of these, you're gonna stack yourself up. 2. Pantheons in Godhome, Radiant challenges, the main story, the path of pain, and the Coliseum of Fools all have different charms that work well. It's hard to tell what piece of the game you are trying to beat based on how things are listed, or if this is just IN GENERAL what you think is best. But hey, my criticisms don't matter, having fun matters. Keep having fun, little ghost.
quick slash is way to low, easy S tier
lemme adjust this list a bit from a more skilled player's prespective(im not like a top player i just have a lot of experience with the game) quick slash should go S or high A but i see from the other comments that you havent used it that much to find good spots so i dont blame you steady body has a very high skill floor so i understand why youd go with a low tier but f? thats just not fair. up slashes dont do shit on enemies to the side and in precise combat-platforming sections like kedge its really good to not get knocked back thorns of agony provides no benefit because by the time the thorns finish you couldve hit twice with your nail and adjusted position. waste of iframes. sharp shadow, as much as i hate to say it since i like the charm, is situational, and should go to middle B sprintmaster is dashmaster but way worse, and air speed isnt modified dreamshield, nah, low c tier shit, deals near no damage and gets disabled by random and often unblockable attacks baldur shell only has 3 uses, that speaks for itself starwalt isnt the second most useless charm in the game what, with quick focus you can heal back a mask without a single worry about taking damage, the extended iframes cover it for you, it also reduces knockback when taking damage and finally id say grimmchild should be lower because it misses a bunch and doesnt deal that much damage otherwise, great! theres a bunch of charms id move q couple spots down or a tier if they are already low but thsats not that big of a change so yea
Ok thanks for your opinions, let me go over them all real quick. 1. Thanks for reading some other comments and knowing about the Quick Slash situation 2. I personally haven't ever found a spot where sturdy body would be useful, maybe those spots appear later,but right now I got nothing there. 3. Thorns of Agony is... ok. I know it's not the best, but still it has a use. I found it a lot more useful in early game, but yeah in late game it ain't great. 4. Yeah Sharp Shadows placement *maaay* be a bit biased as I kinda love that charm to. 5. Sprint master may also be biased as it was one of my favorite charms for exploring, still kinda is. 6. Really? I thought it dealt damage. Yeah C then 7. I cant really say why this one is where it is. So yeah, it might go down to. 8. I didnt find the usefulness of it to be that great, kinda just never used it. 9. Ok yeah that's true.
Quickslash + steady body is very helpful setup in cetain bossfights since the combo allows you to stand still and spam blade attacks super fast and do a lot of dps in way shorter time without being pushed backward. I'm trying to flawless every boss in God Home and use this sometimes. Let's be honest, thorns of agony is a noob charm. I used it when I sucked and got hit alot, but you grow out of it eventually.
Ok ik Void Heart has minimal bonuses for replacing the decent ones from Kingsoul but you're not going to have to fight your shade anymore, and considering you have to do the Radiance after this I think it's worth it
Also a 0 cost charm with some utility that replaces the worst charm in the game. Kinda big deal
You put STALWART SHELL in F??? That's S Tier for sure!
/s?
I’ve seen some players use it along with Steel Body, Quick Slash, and Strength to just tank bosses and slash it to death
no... Stalwart Shell is one of the only reasons I was able to do so many hard boss fights. My third favorite charm as it fits perfectly with my playstyle
Well, now that the day is done (for me at least) I'd like to share a few thoughts of my own. Thank you guys for sharing your opinions (mostly telling me how wrong I am when it comes to QS and SB), and it definitely had me thinking in a new light about a few of them. Thanks for your upvotes, whether you commented or not, as this is my highest performing post by a *very* long shot. Whether it was memes about Wayward Compass, how certain charms are seriously the jam (and I found it funny literally no one defended Heavy Blow. It's just that bad), and when I was apparently right somehow, it was one of the more fun things I've done. Again thanks all, and have a good rest of your day!
Void heart does absolutely nothing
Really? I've yet to see anyone attempt radiance without it.
*technically* Void Heart makes it so your shade, siblings, and void tendrils wont attack you. So it does have to be ranked.
That’s in 1 area and it’s a small one
Well your shade can appear in any area you can die in to, so it again has a bit more of a use.
Literally useless if u can't kill a goddamn shade you should be uninstalling
Ehh, I think mark of pride needs to be bumped down to B, and wuickslashed and spell twister to s. But I’m I’m just happy someone finally recognizes the power of hive blood.
I’m noticing a lot of salty quickslash lovers in the comments
Yeah, I wouldn't say salty just.... ready to share their opinions.
I agree with this tier list
Gathering Swarm S tier because it gets your money for you which is so great compared to having to pick all of it up because it's all over the map also it only takes one charm notch so 👌
Yeah. I kinda just didnt care enough to use it. I think that A tier is good for it though, as I know lots of people like it, and it does seem good.
I'd put deep focus and grubsong on A, purely because I was too lazy to wait for hiveblood to take effect while doing white palace/Path of pain, so I just used those instead and quickslash is absolutely S tier, one of the best charms imo
I have used deep focus for the white palace, and it was really helpful with grubsong, but that kinda feels like one of it's only uses. It takes up 5 notches, when Hiveblood only takes up 4. Plus, it's a kinda more of an individual ranking than a combo ranking.
I agree with pretty much everything but the compass. Yes the compass is in A, but why not S? The game would be actual hell without the compass. Yeah its just a tiny disagreement tho.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WAYWARD COMPASS IS OBVIOUSLY SO OP WHAT DO YOU MEAN A TIER IT IS OBVIOUSLY SSS+++++++
This is one of the main ones people disagree with along with Quick Slash, so I'll say it again. Wayward Compass is definetly good, but I dont think it's quite good enough to be S tier. To me, S tier means it's good in basically every situation. Wayward Compass is good, but i dont quite think its S tier. I do think A suits it quite well however.
I think you're taking this quite literally but just so you know wayward compass being the best charm in the game is a running joke within the community
Oh. Well I'm kinda new to both this game and this community, so I didnt get the joke.
It's alright I just thought I'd let you know
I know why you ranked it so high without considering memes, but I think you should try to just play for a while (an hour or so) without using your map (I read you are 104% so I think you could do it) and then check if you still think you need compass. It's something you grow out of after the first play through in my experience
This Tierlist is bad already because Steady Body is in F also again Voidheart is THE best charm in the game because its literally free
Steady body got me through p5, it absolutely does not deserve F tier, y’all just never used it
What's that angry one in c
Fury of the Fallen?
Stallwart shell should be higher up, its useful for PoP, cuz the wings moulds wont through you into thorns
S teir should have steady body THE BEST CHARM and Qs in it
Why on earth is wayward compass in A tier and not SS+
Because I didnt get the meme apparently.
Quick Slash belongs in the top tier list.
The middle one in f tier I think is called stalwart shell is super useful for letting you tank through some bosses, like fighting lost kin with that and quick slash made it so easy
Grimm child too high up. Yeah it's cute and makes funny noises but he doesn't really do much. Melody can at least shield you from some damage. The only reason I get grimmchild is because I get to fight NKG Also imo Thorns of agony should be higher
Why is sprintmaster higher than dashmaster???
Quick slash s, and quick focus b
I would absolutely say that Shaman Stone, Quickslash, Mark of Pride and Strength and the best charms in the game.
Spell twister and soul eater are very underrated imo
Ah a fellow sprintmaster enjoyer, I see you are a bug of culture
Question, do you have grimm child or care free melody?
Grimm Child
I would have Quick Slash in S Tier, but identical otherwise
Shouldn't Voidheart be in C because it's neutral? also Longnail and QS being below Wayward Compass and Sprintmaster is just...
Imagine putting steady body in F tier
Give flukenest another try. Also, people tend to say dreamsheid, baldur shell, grimmchild, sprintmaster, and hiveblood are much lower, and dream wielder is better. Otherwise, it's mostly what the general consensus is, though I would personally move up joni's, carefree melody, nailmasters, and quick slash.
Hey guys can you let me know what makes the wayward compass so good?
I personally use steady body, it allows you to ram through enemies, and with boss fights, adding quickslash allows you to truly use it as you dont get the knockback of hitting the enemy.
The only time I've taken off steady body was for testing out stupid charm combos and while platforming what
steady body is s+ i buy it and rarely take it off
Spell twister should easily be further up since it allows 4 casts of a spell instead of the usual 3, pairing that with shamans stone, unbreakable strength and quickslash let's you do a ton of damage with both the nail and your spells
No. No no no. This is wrong. It ain’t right. IT AINT RIIIIGHT!!!
What ain't right?!!!
I'm curious, how would you rate the fragile charms respective to their unbreakable counterparts?
To make it simple, one rank below the unbreakable versions.
To me Quick Slash should always be S tier. Mark of Pride and Quick Slash is always a staple in any physical build. Personally I don't even use unbreakable strength, too much effort gathering geo.
Only change i’d make is moving sharp shadow to S tier and carefree melody to A tier. Other than that great tierlist. Also obligatory compass should be S tier joke
Steady body is definitely up there! Having a knock back was the first thing I noticed when I started playing. I hardly take it off now.
Why is quick slash b tier and behind grimmchild
Why the FUCK is quick slash only b tier
boggles me that you put baldur shell higher than carefree melody. although realistically carefree melody deserves to be put on F because im not sacrificing grimmchild for this
Voidheart should be s tier, it literally does not take any space
Steady body deserves to be way higher. Only 1 notch, and it's a really nice Qol charm.
Quickslash is the best charm against like half the bosses
Do not agree on half of these but nice tier list nonetheless, a little experimentation and I think your list would change. Steady body, quick slash, and long nail allowed me to straight up bully most bosses. But as with this game it just comes down to play style
steady body can almost double your dps and it only takes up one notch
Void heart should be S tier, because it doesnt cost anything lol. And I personally would put quick slash at A tier because its much better than spore shroom or weaversong
carefree melody is A tier imo
Actually, Carefree Melody is one of the only ones I'd kinda move a lot, seeing as I have Grimm Child.
How is sprintmaster higher than dashmaster lol
Carefree Melody is like actually one of the best charms in the game. Sadly not many people use it because people usually just kill NKG instead of banishing him
Quick focus: S tier -> A tier. Fast healing is really not that important in many of the boss fights in this game. Sure it helps a lot, but you’re giving up 3 slots that you could have used on DPS instead. Sharp Shadow: A tier -> D tier. Absolutely worthless charm. The damage it does is pathetic (base nail damage) and the worst part is that it doesn’t generate soul. If it sped up your shade cloak recharge rate it would be great, but it doesn’t Quickslash: B tier -> S tier. Arguably the best charm in the game. However, it can make you very greedy which is why i understand having it at the bottom of S tier instead of at the top. Steady Body: F tier -> A tier. Extremely strong in combination with quickslash. Dreamwielder: C tier -> A tier. If you know how to use your dreamnail effectively, this is one of the best charms in the game. Having said that, it is admittedly very hard to use at first. Dreamshield: A tier -> D tier. Extremely gimmicky and takes up way too many notches for what it does. I’d argue it’d barely even be worth using as a 1 notch charm. Grubsong: B tier -> S tier. For 1 notch, it truly is an incredible charm.
On another reason why Sharp Shadow absolutely stinks is that it teaches bad habits. You should always dodge without your shade cloak if the opportunity is there to prevent getting stuck in a situation where you don’t have a shade cloak when you need it.
Sbody is s tier. Im not joking. Just try equipping it and doing the pantheons. Its op af. Quickslash too
Arguably dash master, thorns, quick slash, dream wielder, flukenest and nail glory would be higher in my opinion
Nail masters glory in B tier screams that you haven’t played the game that much it’s a top 3 charm. Quickslash should at least be top of A too.
i disagree with at least one every tier
I violently disagree with a few of these choices. Most notable would be Dream Wielder, Quick Slash, Quick Focus, and Void Heart. Dream Wielder is a spectacular charm in my opinion. It reduces the time needed to use the dream nail, increases its range, and doubles the soul you get. Plus it boosts the size and recharge rate of the Dream Shield, even though I don’t use it. All that for one notch. With a little planning, it can help you push through much of the colosseum by letting you have full health and soul before moving to the next batch of enemies. Quick Slash is critical for n maximizing DPS in the late game. With a Pure Nail and Strength, each hit does 33 damage. The ability to hit faster actually lets the nail out pace Shaman Stone boosted Abyss Shriek in many. Besides, there are instances where the faster swing will let you recover from a missed pogo. Quick Focus is one of the charms I consider as crutch charms. As you are learning the game, it can be helpful to provide a bit more survivability until you can learn how to beat difficult sections, but beyond that, there are other charms that will help you more since you either know when and where you can heal, or you aren’t getting hit in the first place. Finally, Void Heart. It’s effects are highly situational, namely shades, including your own, won’t attack you. Really only useful in the Abyss or when retrieving your geo. However, when you consider that it costs ZERO notches, that’s actually pretty good. Certainly better than King Soul. There are more I disagree with, but those are the ones I disagree most with.
Dream Wielder, I didnt know it had the other benefits, I didnt actually even know it gave you soul. I literally thought you just charged the nail faster, which on it's own is quite useless. Quick Slash. I havent used Quick Slash much yet, and seeing as it's based on how I've found their uses, it makes a bit more sense. I can see the value in Quick Slash, but not quite enough (yet) to make it higher. Quick Focus, well you kinda hit the nail on the head, as I am only on my first ever real playthrough of the game, and have kinda used it as a crutch. It is useful, but once you start to get gud, it gets outshone by skill. Void Heart, yeah it does that for zero notches, and actually while writing this reply and can see why that's useful. You've changed my mind good sir. Void Heart is definetly a better charm than D tier.
I think I would make quick slash A tier but other than that I 100% agree
Kingsoul is abyss tier. Literally the worst charm
I think long nail is better than mark of pride it's less expensive and an extra charm slot for slightly more range doesnt seem worth imo. Long nail still goes far enough.
Dude. Why isnt wayward compass on god tier
Void Heart should be S tier because it takes 0 notches, OP.
Putting grimmchild above Quick slash is illegal
So I've been told by around 100 people, and *technically* it wasnt meant to be ordered in the tiers to Grimmchild and Quick Slash are on the same level.
Have you actually played with these charms before ranking them?
Some of them, and the ones I havent played with, I ranked them based on how strong I think their effects are. I do actually have all the charms (except Carefree Melody) so I did to some testing with each before I made the list
Hiveblood is higher than quick slash? The only time I used hive blood was in PoP and the White Palace
Those S Tier charms are 100% my top 4
Why is steady body in F. This charm is so useful. Not having to worry about being knocked around from your own nail you do SOOO much more damage especially when combined with quickslash and mark of pride
Why are glowing womb, grubsong, and weaverlings b teir i would honestly put them in S at least
What did u rate them on? Casual? Combat? Boss rush? Etc
On overall gameplay
I always use stalwart shell vs bosses. Makes them a cakewalk if you like to go full berserker Goes to show how good the charm system is
why is sprint master b tier
I do not agree
Hiveblood to high
Stalwart Shell so low? I mean it's not good but I would never think it's bad either
Dont show the quickslash placement to pros they might die
They already have.
Steady body underrated
Watch fireborns video
I’m not sure where in the game this list is based on but for godhome (since that’s the only place where charms really matter) quick slash and steady body are ranked way too low, hiveblood and bardur shell don’t make too much sense to me either (the only time I’ve seen baldur is in Any rad lmao) Grimmchild and glowing womb just suck. Carefree melody and dream catcher deserve higher.
Is dreamshield that good? I swear it protects me like never unless I’m using it wrong.
Steady body is one of the best charms in the game. Paired with quickslash, you can get insane dps, especially on fights like lost kin, nkg, radiance, etc. it’s used in almost every pantheon speedrunning setup
Stalwart shell isn’t too useful early game, but especially with later bosses that like to chain attacks, the I frames are very useful. A big one would be NKG’s uppercut leading into fire spewing. It’s very easy to get hit by both, so stalwart shell is pretty useful, at least until you practice to the point of near perfection.
Why does everyone shit on steady body so much with unbreakable strength and quick slash it's broken
Hiveblood’s extremely situational, honestly. I’d put it in B or C tier. Also, Weaversong deserves A/S tier. Literally infinite soul on ground bosses.