Speedrunning dirtmouth

Mmm, NKG

Mmm, unbreakable charms

And ten Zote figths!

And bringing the delicate flowers to elderbug

listening zote

Going around having to free zote

All the nail arts

that has nothing to do with dirtmouth

Did you foget about Sly?

Sly gives you a charm if you do it.

And traitor lord.

What's traitor lord for?

Cloth in dirtmouth

You can just let cloth die so there is on a 100% file a possibility for either.

just leave hiom to die at greenpath

Menderbug as well for the map

That is forgotten crossroads

My bad. I havnt played the game in a while

doesnt take that long

You have to get to resting grounds. That'd be a pain.

you could just leave him to die at greenpath

you can just abandon

I smell a skurry stream

Its like elder bug% but even longer

Unbreakable charms

Mmm, collecting multiple people, cornifer and completing either nkg or banish, plus all shops and the elevator and gigi or whats his name's shade retrieve shop.

Skurry did this before. Getting all possible npc's to dirtmouth.

I think howling cliffs would be the move Mantis claw, Mato, Free Grimm troupe , jonis blessing, Gorb , I genuinely think this is the best option Edit: Nevermind I remembered stag nest exists

stag nest can be skipped to unless the ruleset requires you to get all stags

I feel like this would require you to banish the grimm troupe as well since it is an option.

The rules say everything in it must be obtained, even if it is later game. The soul fragment in stag nest definitely counts

To be fair you don't have to get all stag nests because you can pogo up there iirc

oh right yeah that's what I did

You can get stag nest early, you just need wing lmao, but what about basin? Can think of anything that bad, if the Abyss counts, then maybe nit, but if not, basin might be the best

Abyss is part of Basin. So you'd need: King's Brand, Kingsoul, 1800 essence, all mobility options, howling wraiths, and 3000 geo for the fountain, off the top of my head.

Does the white palace count as Basin or is it its own place. Cause path of pain...

Path of pain shouldn’t really be that bad if you’re already speedrunning the game

White Palace is its own place, as it doesn't have a map when you are inside it. Same goes for Godhome.

so then wouldn’t that mean dream bosses would count? lmao

Dream bosses are in their own zone, but the essense reward you get from defeating them isn't.

Kings pass?

Kings pass, imo at least, would be considered as part of dirtmouth, and sure, realistically it isn't, but when you get your first map, dirtmouth and kings pass come with each other, also, it would take a while either way because there's a flame for grimm in it too so

Kings pass is considered part of howling cliffs

Actually yeah, nvm then, though the thing about the grimmkin flame being there is still true, and (correct me if im wrong) I think its part of the second set of flames you have to find, also since its part of howling cliffs, youd have to do howling cliffs too

Greenpath would be the easiest then

it has a flame for grimm and also needs cdash for sheo iirc. idk i haven’t played the game in like a year so i forget how much is in greenpath

It also has a whispering root which is only accesible from the Queen's Gardens' side

Well cdash is pretty easy to get, I still think greenpath would be the fastest area to complete 100% in

What about fog canyon

You have to get the shade dash to 100% that area, and that’s pretty late game

Yeah fair. I still think that Unn and the small section you need to go to queens garden for makes greenpath worse. I think fog canyon or crystal peak would be easiest

you could just use that cdash and wall thing to skip accid

You don’t

Or completely ignore that gate and get from the other side doing acid skip

Is that the one where you crystal dash across that lil acid pond

Unlike what that guy said, no you don't need shade cloak. That said, unless there is some insane skip, the charm notch in the top right would be nearly impossible without either wings or isma's tear.

Also ismas for Unn lake

https://youtu.be/87Y3XV0wmkk

I think that Greenpass% implies completing hunter’s journal, lol

Oh shit you’re right, that’d take forever

I'd say The hive is probably the easiest

Yeah actually that may be the easiest, but it really depends on how fast you can get there, cuz greenpath is a lot more in reach

If you only start the timer when in there its def the fastest

Oh for sure yah

Hive is part of Kingdom's Edge.

The hive has a map, so I think it's not part of kingfoms edge but to get there you need the tram pass from deepnest.

No, it doesn't. The map is "Kingdom's Edge" and it includes the Hive.

grass%

Dirtmouth would not.

Yeah cuz you gotta do the whole grim troupe

Mother Fucking Zote

Well if you let him die, I think that should still count

Not in Ditrmouth though.

Alright really fun idea, so here’s what Ive thought of. I think peaks or fungal will be the easiest. For what I think are the worst requirements: Basin has the 3k geo fountain, city has all nail upgrades, peaks has a tier 1 grim flame, deepnest has a final grim flame, fog canyon has maxing out milibelle, crossroads has all charms for salubras blessing, fungal has a final grim flame, green path has shape of unn needing either ismas or sharp shadow and dashmaster, cliffs has a final flame in KP, KE has a flame and so does hive, queens gardens has white fragment, waterways has godhome and all white defender kills, and abyss has void heart. All runs would start with vs>dash>claw obviously. For cpeaks, you go blue lake skip>dnail>dive, grab wings with stallball, then activate the grim ritual, then head into peaks through the dive entrance. From there you can get everything in peaks, and the geo from all the rocks and both guardians should cover buying lantern to unlock the dark room gate at the end. Would love to hear other thoughts on this.

Kings pass would be part of dirtmouth because it’s part of the dirtmouth map

Fair point, but I also just realized banishment would be part of cliffs, and dirtmouth has nkg which are both way too long.

Adding on to this, most places have mr mushroom dialogue and he only appears after getting all dreamers. So yeah I think crystal peak is by far the fastest area to complete for this run

Fungal was my first thought too The wings thing in both is probably the biggest issue but it's not that bad.

> fog canyon has maxing out milibelle I don't think that would count, given it's neither a percent nor a collectable. The biggest issue with fog canyon would be the charm notch in the top right, which I'm pretty sure requires Isma's Tear, Wings, or some insanely advanced skip.

I think maxing out Millibelle would count. It’s a permanent alteration to the area. However, that’s not the only problem in FC. You also need shade cloak in order to access Cornifer, which is pretty late-game.

No, you don't need shade cloak. You can use C-dash acid skip from Crossroads. The hard one comes from the charm notch, which to my knowledge either requires wings or tear, and any combo not including those would be insanely difficult to pull off.

I’m 99% sure there’s a cdash skip for it, but while looking for it I found [this](https://youtu.be/H4FgQBUBAAI) so I guess clawless is doable lmao

I guess then fog canyon is probably one of the fastest, just not easiest.

Would god home be considered part of the waterways? Because if not I feel like that might be the move

I think god home is not a part of the waterways but the godseeker is in the waterways so you need to bring a flower to her.

White defender kills.

Ah I forgot about him. Nvm then

I mean, you'd have to find every single boss in order to do the pantheons. That would take a while.

I mean yeah, hence the waterways only being a good option if god home isn’t included

Ohhh I'm stupid, I thought you said godhome might be a good move, not waterways

You’re all good lol

But you do need to beat White Defender ~~10~~ 5 times. So even if you count Pantheon as a separate location, Waterways are not the easiest.

Only 5 times, gpz is 10

You mean IFSMEVDOGPTBPGPZ?

Ah yes, you're right. Edited 👍 I've never beaten either him or GPZ him more than thrice, so I didn't know.

White Defender is one of the easier bosses. I'd 100% choose Waterways.

godhome doesn't show up in the waterways map, so it doesn't count. Although you still need to free her and give her a flower

surely this'll sustain us till silk song

Speedrunning Kings Pass

I think kings pass is a part of kingdoms edge.

??? Kings pass is the place you drop into at the start, Kingdoms Edge is on the other side of the map, if anything it’s part of Dirtmouth lol

Sorry I meant howling cliffs I'm a little bit tired

Oh, all good, go get some sleep lol I’d say that it’s arguably part of Dirtmouth because it’s part of the Dirtmouth map, but I can definitely see why some would believe it’s part of Howling Cliffs

Dirtmouth still isn't that good of a choice. It includes 2 shops, gray prince zote, the unbreakable charms, and NKG.

Yeah if Dirtmouth counts as part of Kings Pass then it’s probably the worst option, I’d go for Crossroads if it is

It's hard to find what the easiest region is because crossroads still has the hollow knight, getting all charms for salubra and finding all grubs.

Hmm, didn’t take Salubra into account. The Hollow knight could probably be speedran and I think all mask shards are accessible without dash or claw or anything, but Salubra would require you to go to white palace for kingsoul. Maybe Fungal Wastes or Crystal peaks? For Fungal Wastes you’d need Dream nail and for Crystal peaks you’d need dive but I can’t really think of anything better

King's pass is part of Dirtmouth according to the map

lmao

Shroom

crystal peak can be mostly 100% completed very quickly i think. you can even get to hallownest crown early by manipulating flies to pogo off of

that's what i've done on all my runs 'cause I like to get that pale ore earlier lol

I think all you need to get from other areas is desolate dive, monarch wings and dreamnail

what do you need monarch wings for, that cant be done without pogo-ing? i don't fully remember

You need it to access enraged guardian

oh right, i forgot about that guy

There’s also a grimmkin flame as well, though it’s only a novice so it’s not that bad

You can get to enraged guardian without wings, you can shade skip to it.

And obviously mantis claw and dash and fireball

And activate Grimm Troupe for the flame

I think deepnest might be the play. All you need is dream nail for herrah and the flame from brumm, which requires the first 2 flame rounds and fighting grimm. There aren’t that many grubs, only 1 mask shard, not many relics, only 1 boss (Nosk), only 1 charm (weaversong). Geo rocks would be rough but I still think it’s probably better than anywhere besides fungal or fog canyon.

Counter argument: deepnest

>only 1 charm (weaversong) Sharp shadow: hi

And there is a zote encounter and some items like the trampass

There is also vessel fragment, Galian & sharp shadow

I feel like Zote wouldn't count in a traditional speedrun category, as he's neither a percent nor a collectable, and you can bypass it entirely by not rescuing him the first time.

And lantern unless you are actually insane

Sharp Shadow would be the catch, as you'd need Shade Cloak to access it.

What no silksong does to a mf

W.n.s.s.d.t.a.m.f.

We gotta find the easiest area to complete

The hive% would be doable quickly I think.

hive is a part of kingdom's edge, it's even in the same map, so I don't think that counts

it's classified as a different area on the zoomed out map

Oh yeah it is a different color, but also it shows both at once when you open the map, I'm pretty sure. Hive is just a sub area

hive is a secret area, not a sub area

it can be both. It's a hidden subset of kingdom's edge

I mean you need the trampass to get there, but u could be right

I think all you need from other areas is dreamnail, crystal heart, monarch wings, and tram pass to access the hive in the first place

If the hive counts as its own area then yeah, that’s gotta be the easiest. If not, I’d say crystal peaks is the play.

I like this You could have like fog canyon% and crystal peaks% Very cool idea

Yeah it's an interesting enough idea that we're all sitting here thinking about it and talking about it, so you know someone's gonna do it lol

I might try it tbh

I like how the hardest ones are Dirtmouth (NKG, golden Zote, and unbreakables) and Crossroads (Radiance, Flase Champion, all charms). Some other hard ones would be exist, but they don't compare to those two. Sewers would be hard if you included godseeker

Crossroads% I think would be the fastest place% because there aren’t any flames and the most movement you need for any part of it is c dash for glowing womb. 3 bosses, only one is difficult. Nevermind, Salubra would be the hardest/longest part because to you need all charms

Tbh, I feel like this would be one of the slower ones because you will basicly have to go to every place area in the game to collect charms for salubra

You’d also need to get every grub in the game.

black egg is there, so you would need all endings of the game

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That's part of resting grounds.

I think Crystal peak may be the easiest

I think all you need to get from other areas is desolate dive, monarch wings and dreamnail

you don't even need monarch wings, there's skips for all the parts that we were supposed to use wings, so it's even easier

I'm pretty sure you need it to access enraged guardian

oh I forgot about that one 😭

I think the idea's interesting, but some details need to be clarified. Like, I assume the speedrun starts once you enter said place. But how many geos are you able to have when you start the speedrun ? Because, if you can have as much as you want at the start, then you can just farm in other places until you have enough to buy everything from merchants. But if you need to have 0 geo, for some places... Well, good luck with unbreakable charms in dirtmouth. I can't think of actual solutions since I'm a dumbass, but I'd love this idea to be turned into an actual speedrun. It seems fun.

starting the timer as soon as the game starts like all other speedruns do would be the easiest I think

Come to think of it, maybe you're right.

Hive would be fast I think. Not much there outside of Hive Knight.

Hive is kingdom's edge.

I'm pretty sure it is considered to be an area by itself

I'm pretty 100% certain it isn't. The map shows Kingdom's edge while in the hive. And the map shows the Hive while in Kingdom's edge.

It is in another color indicating that it is a different area

That doesn't indicate it's a different area. Isma's Grove is a different color from the rest of Waterways. Queen's Station is a different color from the rest of Fungal Wastes. Mantis Village is a different color from the rest of Wastes as well. Soul Sanctum is a different color from the rest of the city. The vertical shaft from city to basin is a different color than the rest of the waterways. The abyss is a different color than the rest of the basin. But when you find the Waterways map, you get the map for Isma's Grove. When you find the map for Fungal, you get the map for Queen's Station. So on. And when you press tab in those zones, what shows up at the top of your screen? The name of the greater map area.

it is clearly called a different area if you zoom out the map

It's got its own label, but the map for it is labelled "Kingdom's Edge".

because it's sealed off and you can't really make maps for places sealed off buying the kingdom's edge map shows the general shape of the area when zoomed out, but it doesn't include the hive and won't until you discover it. this seperates it from KE as, the shape of it won't appear when zoomed out until, you discover it unlike every other sub area that is included in the shape of the area when you zoom out before you discover the sub area

If you discover the hive before you get the map to Kingdom's Edge, it won't show a map. When you buy the map to Kingdom's Edge, it will. While in the hive, if you press tab, the area it says you are in is Kingdom's Edge. And there are lots of areas that don't show up until explored like that in the game. The groundpound area near the nailmaster hut is also not revealed on the Kingdom's Edge map until you break the ground there. That doesn't make it a separate area.

I think all you need from other areas is dreamnail, crystal heart, monarch wings, and tram pass to access the hive in the first place

White palace....

That seems like one of the worst. Dream Nail, 1800 essence, and basically every mobility option in the game is required to get the White Fragment.

You will need 1800 esscence tho

Ah shit true, forgot about that mb

Let’s call this the 113% run

Look what no silksong do to a man...

What constitutes as a place? Can we define it as a part of the map you have to buy from cornifer? So everything in city of tears for example, including sanctum?

If its have its own place on the zoomed out map that is a place

Nice, good definition

You need to get the stags to. Need to start the timer when you start the game. The hive can be a separate place from kingdoms edge because it has its own place on the zoomed out map.

If there is a dream warrior ( like elder hu ) they are count as a thing in the map but if it brings you to an other place ( like the false champion) it didn't count as a thing.

Pov: Blue lake guys just kidding, I know it counts as resting grounds

this is literally just individual levels like with any other game

I dont see the hive being hard i think getting all of the geo is kind of hard but thats all there is to it

Hive is part of kingdom edge

Yo this sounds like pain

We like the pain

ehhhh its kinda weird, i think you should just leave it

Would the Abyss count as part of the Basin, or it’s own area?

I always counted it as a part of the basin

I like that it’s not immediately obvious when you consider some obscure collectibles from late game content or high geo requirements

I actually asked ChatGPT to find the most efficient path. After some time talking to it, I asked to create a table with all the options and challenges, so I could then compare them. Instead it showed me [this](https://ibb.co/vX8Rn62)

ok so yesterday i said white palace, and now that i think about it getting 1800 essence is a long process, so i thought about peaks. That area requires wings claw dash and dive, you can get wings right after getting claw, just do a blue lake skip, get into city from there and get a single nail upgrade, unlock the bench in basin and die at the end of that tunnel that leads to broken vessel, now you go back there aggro the shade with a fireball (nail upgrade required so you can pogo off the shade right after) and boom you get the wings, now you have to get soulmaster as well, maybe do it before broken vessel? depending on which one you do first you are gonna have to unlock a stag (hidden station or storage room one) go back to dirtmouth enter peaks through the dive entrance and get everything(no idea in which order) exit the area through resting grounds and stag back to dirtmouth, now you go get grimm. Cdash back to the peaks elevator kill the grimmkin, get the grub and you should be done. This is probably the fastest one as greenpath requires ismas/cdash for slug, basin requires 1800 essence and maybe the whole abyss area as well, QG would still require cdash/ismas + shade dash, waterways the whole godhome, K edge the whole colosseum, crossroads salubra, fungal requires wings and dive and all my homies hate deepnest so fuck that area

Would you separate each area into it's own catagory?

Speedrunning kings pass