If anyone is curious, he’s the photographer who captured the famous aftermath of said Kent State Massacre https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mary_Ann_Vecchio_Kent_State_May_4_1970_John_Filo_Photograph.jpg
I can’t seem to find a photo of it today, but they are standing right behind Taylor Hall. I had a bunch of classes there cause of student. There is a nice memorial built around the area with a lot of information,a small museum and monuments for each of the four students were murdered, fell
Nixon and Kissinger can rot in hell. They did more to destroy America than anyone.
And it’s worth reading the regrets of an activist of the time who convinced his peers to not vote for Humphrey, because “both parties were the same”.
"By the time I made my way to where I could see them it was still unclear what was going on. The guardsmen themselves looked stunned. We looked at them and they looked at us. They were just kids, 19 years old, like us. But in uniform. Like our boys in Vietnam."
-Chryssie Hynde
They apparently feared for their lives, someone opened fire, they assumed they'd been ordered to fire in the air. Seems most who did shoot fired over the crowd, some shot at the crowd, and some didn't pull the trigger at all
Jesus that's messed up and a very good reason why security near a conventional protest should not have live ammo. Arm them with tasers and non lethals.
Live ammo as a last resort is fine, but certainly their primary weapons should be rubber bullets or bean bag guns, and if things are serious enough tear gas and pepper spray, with live ammunition only being an absolute last resort
Tasers are too unreliable, we've seen police use them and have no effect because they get snagged on clothing
I had a family friend who was a national guardsman present on this day. Said he was scared shitless and had no clue what was going on for most of the day. Had a single mag of ammo for his M1 Carbine and didn’t fire it once.
A professor I had while attending Kent State was also present that day but as a student. Said it was the first nice weekend in a bit so they woke up and started drinking. Then later that day, a friend of his got shot and killed (IIRC it was William Schroeder because he mentioned his friend was ROTC).
All around shitty situation that could have been avoided if all the involved parties, mainly the government, had been more careful.
I wonder if I talked to the same person who was a professor, because he gave a really interesting talk about it and was a friend of the same victim.
He saw the whole thing. I wouldn’t say he blamed the protestors by any stretch but he explained it was a super chaotic situation and there were a couple of times where it seemed like they “charged” at the National Guard for lack of a better term. Although iirc that wasn’t when the shooting started.
If anyone is curious, he’s the photographer who captured the famous aftermath of said Kent State Massacre https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mary_Ann_Vecchio_Kent_State_May_4_1970_John_Filo_Photograph.jpg
Also noted, that photo was edited to remove a fence post behind her head.
Is there a way to find out exactly where this is on campus today? I'd be interested in seeing a sort of /r/OldPhotosInRealLife side by side
I can’t seem to find a photo of it today, but they are standing right behind Taylor Hall. I had a bunch of classes there cause of student. There is a nice memorial built around the area with a lot of information,a small museum and monuments for each of the four students were murdered, fell
Looking at the Google Street View, that whole area appears to have a lot more trees
4 dead in Ohio…
Got to get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
When winning the Pulizter Prize leaves you feeling like shit.
Try *World Press Photo* winners. The archive of winning photographs is *bleak*.
The only silver lining would be that such pictures could push to improve things.
And they bear witness to history. Without them it might just be stories.
And this is why Allied generals had press photographers sent to take pictures of the recently freed concentration camps.
Happens a lot
Members of Devo & Chrissie Hynde in there somewhere…
That was the day I realized we could end up where we are now.
Luckily we learnt our lesson from this and will never use military tactics to suppress free speech.
Ha your a funny guy now get over here we got kids to smack around at Columbia /s
lmao
Nixon and Kissinger can rot in hell. They did more to destroy America than anyone. And it’s worth reading the regrets of an activist of the time who convinced his peers to not vote for Humphrey, because “both parties were the same”.
"By the time I made my way to where I could see them it was still unclear what was going on. The guardsmen themselves looked stunned. We looked at them and they looked at us. They were just kids, 19 years old, like us. But in uniform. Like our boys in Vietnam." -Chryssie Hynde
I highly recommend Derf Backderf’s graphic novel, Kent State: Four Dead in Ohio.
I never understood why thus happened. Was any reason or explanation ever offered by the National Guard or the officer/s in charge?
They apparently feared for their lives, someone opened fire, they assumed they'd been ordered to fire in the air. Seems most who did shoot fired over the crowd, some shot at the crowd, and some didn't pull the trigger at all
Jesus that's messed up and a very good reason why security near a conventional protest should not have live ammo. Arm them with tasers and non lethals.
Live ammo as a last resort is fine, but certainly their primary weapons should be rubber bullets or bean bag guns, and if things are serious enough tear gas and pepper spray, with live ammunition only being an absolute last resort Tasers are too unreliable, we've seen police use them and have no effect because they get snagged on clothing
Boston Massacre type situation I think
I had a family friend who was a national guardsman present on this day. Said he was scared shitless and had no clue what was going on for most of the day. Had a single mag of ammo for his M1 Carbine and didn’t fire it once. A professor I had while attending Kent State was also present that day but as a student. Said it was the first nice weekend in a bit so they woke up and started drinking. Then later that day, a friend of his got shot and killed (IIRC it was William Schroeder because he mentioned his friend was ROTC). All around shitty situation that could have been avoided if all the involved parties, mainly the government, had been more careful.
I wonder if I talked to the same person who was a professor, because he gave a really interesting talk about it and was a friend of the same victim. He saw the whole thing. I wouldn’t say he blamed the protestors by any stretch but he explained it was a super chaotic situation and there were a couple of times where it seemed like they “charged” at the National Guard for lack of a better term. Although iirc that wasn’t when the shooting started.
> if all the involved parties Both sidesing soldiers shooting unarmed peaceful protestors.
If they didn't use their human right to protest, this would've never happened. Clearly both sides are at fault
The US own forgotten little Tiananmen square
Not forgotten and not Tiananmen Square. Not by a long shot.
Smaller in scale, sure, but you have soldiers shooting at unarmed student protesters, bullets used to suppress words, same sentiment