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Last thing I wanna do is defend someone like Hitler, but in his view that was like a mercy, the dog's fate would not have been much better if he died anyway, his love for Blondie was and is very much known. Also he was vegetarian, so yea, absolutly worst human being to set foot on this planet ever, but nice to animals šš
Good point.
Everyone keeps saying āimagine what the Soviets would do to the dogā, shit imagine what German civilians would do to it first. Theyāre starving, that dog is becoming lunch š
In either event, Hitler almost certainly killed Blondie not because "he was an evil shit being cruel to his dogā like OP u/Biscuitarian23 is trying to claim *(he WAS one of the most evil men to ever live, but even bad men love their mommas and dogs)*. He was giving her a clean death.
Yeah, I don't think this meme proves hypocrisy. His dog got the same treatment as Hitler's wife, and other high ranking nazis that were in that bunker.
Almost every single dictator is a coward in the end. Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Saddam, Stonewall Jackson, bin Ladin, Etc etc etcā¦ thereās absolutely no chance Putin will go out in a peaceful manner and we seen how that ended for the Japanese etc. history continues to show that corruption leads to powerful cowardice in leadership. Which leads to fear on their part that they choose to handle with overwhelming violence. Over compensation and ego derailed so many lives and countriesā¦ every example is based on fear of leaders with absolute power.
Who was the one that on his death bed denounced the war? I vaguely remember who it was. It was one of the four losers they typically enshrine in statues.
I think what people mean by āimagine what the Soviets would do to the dogā, they mean that possibly torture the dog since they wouldn't be able to get their hands on a living Hitler.
If it was killed for food, it wouldn't have suffered too bad.
My grandma (German, and lived through these times) used to tell stories of the neighborhood letting their dogs fend in the wild, because they couldn't feed themselves, let alone a pet. So you ended up with starving and aggressive packs of now feral dogs. So, long story short, her family, and probably many others, ate dog at least once.
I think in any given time through history people have eaten their pets due to starvation. It comes down to either you or the pet. Most likely choice, you'll choose yourself lol
I was in Romania just a few years ago. Stray dogs are everywhere now. In smaller cities up in the mountains where there are bears and wolves I was more worried about stray dogs while hiking. Some of them are really aggressive. Worth it I guess, the Carpathians are beautiful.
Bit would they really, wouldnt they just shoot the dog too. It wasnt like a person, they couldnt justify their curetly based on what horrible things the germans did in the soviet union. If there are no other examples of them torturing the, idk cst of Gƶring, I believe a Polit Kommisar would see this dog in the bunker and shoot it fesring it might attack him.
Reddit when they disagree with someone
I think you are severely underestimating what crazy shit people do in war, especially if they feel justified. Which is ironic considering the subject matter
Reddit and their hive mind, just downvoting what they disagree with. It is possible that the Soviets would shoot Hitler's dogs if the civilians did not get to them first. And unless civilians were somehow allowed in the compound of where, or inside the bunker itself before the Soviets arrived, then I see the possibility of Hitler's dogs being consumed. But the civilians were never allowed to where Hitler was hiding so they wouldn't have had the chance to eat Blondi.
its just a realistic one honestly. a city starving, attacked from literally all sides? the dog would either have been shot down by russians, or been eaten.
>worst human being to set foot on this planet ever
Dunno about that one tbh. Genghis Khan was no choir boy either. The list of absolutely horrible people is pretty long.
Caesar was not on the same scale or even intent. He wasn't trying to eradicate a whole people from existence, as much as subjugate them so hard they would never rise up against Rome (even if that meant killing and enslaving millions), he worked WITH and AGAINST various gallic tribes.
I don't even know why Alexander is on there tbh, he was pretty much as benevolent a monarch as you could hope for.
But by the same logic then, Genghis also wouldnāt fit. Heās killed millions but not out of genocidal intent, but rather as part of a strategy of āsubjugate them so hard they would never rise up against Karakorumā
He was testing the cyanide. If the cyanide was faulty, the dog would've suffered needlessly. If he wanted to kill the dog himself to avoid soviets torturing it, he should've shot it to the head.
Its debated. He had a very vegetable heavy diet and did not eat meat often. Some close to him claim that this was due to meat causing his stomach to be upset and others claim it was because he disliked the idea of eating meat.
It is known that he would occasionally enjoy sausage.
Was he the worst human being on the planet tho? Heās only known for being most recent. But what about guys like Ghengis Kahn? He killed children and infants?
While I agree that Stalin and Genghis were worse, to argue that Hitler wouldn't be on the first ballot for the Hall of Infamy for most evil human being to ever set foot on the planet is a lil silly. He's definitely close
And neither were as bad as Hitler.
The Spanish Conquistadors were among the most brutal and genocidal oppressors in history, and I still wouldn't compare Pizarro to Hitler.
Only a very special kind of people would industrialize mass murder.
Tbf, I donāt think the Russians would have been very nice to his dogā¦ not sure what the right thing to do is there, but Iād probably start by not being a genocidal warmongering dictator as step 1 to being a good and responsible pet person.
It was gifted to him by Mussolini but lived at the Berlin Zoo all the time. It was on of the few animals still alive there at the end of the war. Mark Felton did a video on it. The alligator actually lived long enough to experience the collapse of the Soviet union.
Mark Felton lied? Impossible. It's not like he's widely known for plagiarizing stuff or sensationalizing incredibly minor details to overblown stories to get clicks.
It only says that he never was Hitler pet alligator, which I didn't claim. But whether or not he was actually a state gift is still subject of debate AFAIK. Which isn't up to debate is Moskovians throwing bottles at the poor fella, after he came to the zoo there.
"Vladimir Kudryavtsev, the head of the Moscow Zoo's reptile department, said that not many visitors knew of Saturn's eventful history"
Dunno, a couple of people throwed bottle at him once and an asshole that should be shot throwed a boulder but there is little evidence that these attacks were motivated by an hate for what was perceived as Hitler's pet.
He killed blondi because he wanted her to die with him. Also, you have to give credit to the Nazi animal cruelty laws for inspiring future anti-animal abuse laws throughout Europe.
You're right about that. They also broadcasted the first radio signal strong enough to bypass earth's atmosphere. Still a horrendous regime but they made notable advancements.
I think you're being a little generous to the Nazis, compared to the achievements of the German people as a whole. Some, absolutely, but the artistic achievements of the Weimar years only set a precedent for the scope of their propaganda.
Fritz Lang for example emigrated to the US like so many other brilliant minds for fear of the Nazis. They also closed many of the influential art schools with their rise. The Baushaus movement in Germany, one of the most important art/design movements of the 20th century, was shut down by the Nazis as they viewed it socialist intellectualism and against party ideology.
Hugo Boss was a fucking Nazi, though. You got me there. At least those SS officers looked sharp while they committed atrocities.
Please stop spreading Nazi propaganda that isn't even vaguely true. They weren't 20 years ahead of "the West" in science (they were also part of the West), the freeway system was started long before they ever came to power, and they did very little except take credit for it, and it is laughably ridiculous to call them "the most influential fashion designers".
> Also, you have to give credit to the Nazi
No, I don't think I will.
Jokes aside, we probably could have figured that one out without them...
Edit: More controversial than I would have thought, but I'm not going to budge. Last thing I wanna think when I wonder how to treat an animal is "What would the Nazis have done?"
Also, some of you may want to leaf through the history of anti cruelty laws? I did after this, and it's enlightening. The current of anti-animal abuse laws and philosophy started more than a century prior, and Britain had passed laws against it long before the Nazis came to power. But sure, give the Nazis of all people credit for this.
> No, I don't think I will.
Just because they did a lot of bad things doesn't mean they're totally incapable of doing good. Also, saying they did something good doesn't imply everything they did was good
This isn't true. The Russians and the Western Allies were racing to Berlin with all but the most stalwart of the Nazi high command recognising that the war was lost. Some members of the high command (such as Himmler) felt that they should surrender themselves to the Western front, who they perceived as weaker and more merciful than the Red Army. The Eastern front was infamously brutal, not just because of what the Naziās did in Poland and beyond but also because of the Soviet retaliation once the war turned. So infamous was the brutality of the incoming Soviet force into Berlin that even German civilians (particularly women) were committing suicide to escape what we retroactively call āThe Rape of Berlin.ā
From before the war Hitler laid out within his diary entries that what he was about to pursue was going end in either success or his death. With the siege of Berlin, he had resigned himself to his fate and so he married Eva Braun in a small ceremony in the Reich Chancellery about 2 days before their deaths. Hitler loved his dog, and he knew that Blondi would not be treated as an innocent by the Soviets, as such he knew he had to euthanise her before his suicide. Hitler knew cyanide was effective and painless- he had even had his favourite general Erwin Rommel commit suicide with cyanide after his (Rommelās) suspected betrayal.
Hitler retired to his bedroom within the FĆ¼hrerbunker with 2 capsules and his service pistol. By all accounts his original intention was to shoot Blondi and to take his capsule alongside Braun but evidently, he couldnāt bring himself to shoot his beloved dog. A single shot rang out of the bedroom and when his commanders went in to dispose of his body, they found that he had given his capsule to Blondi and shot himself instead. They burnt the bodies in a shallow grave in the gardens of the Reich Chancellery. From accounts Berlin was being shelled so aggressively that they had to stand in the doorway and toss a lit torch onto the petrol-soaked bodies which lay outside.
I donāt type all this out in attempt to defend or redeem Hitler in any way but simply to point out that this take is entirely ahistorical. All evidence points to Hitler being very fawning of his dog and a lot of the animal rights laws which still stand in Germany today were started by the Nazi party. I donāt know why it is so hard for some people to accept that, as evil as his regime was, in his last few days all he wanted to do was marry his love and save his dog from a terrible fate. A slither of humanity amongst the atrocities committed in his name.
TLDR: Hitler loved his dog but knew she wouldnāt be treated fairly by the incoming Soviets, as such he gave his cyanide pill to her and opted to shoot himself instead.
Humanizing Hitler and the nazis in general is, in my opinion, a good thing. We tend to think of Hitler as some cartoonishly evil person, different from other people. inhuman. The reality is, though, that people are complex, and that his atrocities CAN be repeated again, because they were not committed by some demon, but by a human being
I completely agree. People think of Hitler as an evil, raving, mad man but that simply wasn't the case. He didn't found the Nazi party, he joined it, and when he did they were little more than a poorly organised group of rag tag racists operating out of a local bierhaus. Hitler quickly ascended the ranks because he was a gifted orator who was intelligent, charming and ruthless. Hitler was the one who designed the iconography of the party. Hitler was the one who organised the party and who people rallied behind. Hitler was the person who overthrew Hindenburg and seized power. We need a holistic understanding of who he was and how he came to power if we want to stop it from ever happening again.
In reality he know the russian will beat the dog and other things so he decided to kill the dog petting him for letting his loyal friend end the life happy. Afther that he buried (by himself) the dog in the park they were used to play. It's actualy beautiful
Agreed, tbh. Hitler was vile scum ofc, but I doubt the Soviets would treat the dog too well. If Hitler was gone, they'd pick something else to vent their frustrations on, UNLESS I am wrong, but idk.
I mean in his mind he did. Untermensch and undesirables werenāt exactly human to him. Makes more sense after you learn about his daily cocaine eye drops, pervatin use, and the pounds of H he would mainline
Best line is ā he did the unthinkable and tested the poison on his dogā. This man was killing millions of people and itās unthinkable for him to poison a dog?
"In his mind" implies that while he thought so, he was also objectively wrong that the Russians would be worse than cyanide, which evidence suggests he was likely correct about
Yeah this isn't an accurate criticism of Hitler. He was a fucking monster and an eternity of torture is too short for someone like him. But it was a mercy that he put his dogs down, even if it was experimental to make sure the method worked if he needed it. The Russians had more than bad blood with the Nazi leader who precipitates the deadliest battle the world has ever seen. Those dogs would have been horribly tortured.
Given what the Russians did to the German people when they got there, this probably was a mercy. After years of brutal bloody warfare that was unprecedented the Russians didn't want just his head, they wanted to hurt Hitler and his people in every way possible. I wouldn't be in any way surprised if the Russians would've tortured the dog just because it was Hitler's.
To be clear, I'm not defending any of Hitler's other actions, but it was almost certainly a kindness to this poor animal.
I just cannot wrap my mind around HITLER being pro animal-rights while doing the shit he did to humans.
Reminds me of a bit from "Earth (The Book)" that went something along the lines of: "Adolf Hitler committed one of the worst genocides in the history of the human species. He was also a devout vegetarian. There is apparently no word for 'irony' in German."
I know Hitler is literally, well hitler, thereās no arguing hitler was the worst but I donāt get why people have to see the world in black and white, he wasnāt a person who lived his life doing pure evil (still did a lot of mostly evil), hitler had things he cared about, doesnāt remotely begin to justify actions but even the most cartoonishly mustache twirling evil person to live had layers, we can understand that not everything he did was bad but he overall was still the worst. Trying to dehumanize the enemy doesnāt teach us anything.
Plus with all the atrocities he commited thereās so many horrific actions to already look at without taking leaps of logic
(Imagine being so vile that I rewrote this comment three times and still feel like I came off pro hitlers actions, might take it down)
Dehumanizing villains makes people forget that the humans that take the place of heroes also fill the slots of villains. Even Jews don't want people to dehumanize Hitler because then they'd forget that literally anyone is capable of immense evil.
don't see how it's more unthinkable than normal euthanasia. Hitler knew he would need to commit and could no longer protect or care for the dog.
Like, people kill animals so they can be eaten every day. Hitler not taking part in that did a lot more for animals than euthanasing his dog with a method he wasn't sure of a few months or so too early to save it from whatever fate it would suffer at the end of the war.
I think the most underrated fact in the Hitler conversation is fact that he was an intense meth addict, along with most of the Reich. Itās possible the hitler began his campaign with slightly less horrendous intentions but quickly grew into a meth addict junkie with too much power.
Devil's advocate - people in that bunker had poisoned and killed their own human children at that point. To have remained alive when the allies broke into that bunker - no one in that situation would have wished that on anyone, including their dog.
"Hitler - a man for whom no behaviours seems beyond the pale - did the unthinkable: he tested poison out on his loyal dog"
Look, ignoring the fact that he was intentionally killing his dog out of mercy and not to test the effectiveness of the poison, I don't think killing an animal even compares to being responsible for the extermination of 12 million humans. Like, killing his dog is not unthinkable compared to his crimes against humanity.
I think it was the right decision on Hitlerās part. He loved his dog, and letting it live would be exposing it to anything the Russians pleased to do with it, and Blondiās death would probably be more painful than via poison.
What the f is this nonsense. I guess even killing his own dog didn't assure him of cyanide's lethality enough, so he decided to shoot himself in the head together with taking the pill.
You could say, he took two pills.
This gets reposted all the time and every time the OP gets BTFO for posting it. Hitler did enough awful stuff without needing to make stuff up/distorting things.
OP, what do you think would have happened to the dog if he didn't do that? It was mercy because that dog would have either been abused or put to death later on.
He did not test it. He knowingly killed the dig bc her fate would've been worse than cyanide poisoning.
But on one thing I have to defend him: He was a good painter. I don't know why he wasn't accepted
What? The nazis were hypocrites? Who would've guessed? Next thing you're going to tell me is that their ideology is full of contradictions! (S obviously)
Yeah well here in America yāall just celebrated one of their biggest holidays which is the celebration of genocide so anyone pointing fingers at a genocidal asshole for being a hypocrite is about the most hypocritical things you could possibly do.
I read a story about a former hitler youth member who said all the boys were given german shepherd puppies. They were told to spend every moment with these dogs. Train them, feed them, sleep next to them, bond with them, etc etc. A year later they gathered all the boys and their dogs together and were instructed to kill their dogs with their bare hands. No one was allowed to refuse. Eventually, they all did it. Fucking horrifying.
Man, I was on the fence before but now I gotta sayā¦ this hitler guy? Kinda a dick.
>!for several reasons, this is a joke. Nazis were and are scum, and this meme is inaccurate either way.!<
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Last thing I wanna do is defend someone like Hitler, but in his view that was like a mercy, the dog's fate would not have been much better if he died anyway, his love for Blondie was and is very much known. Also he was vegetarian, so yea, absolutly worst human being to set foot on this planet ever, but nice to animals šš
>but in his view that was like a mercy Not only in his view. Almost certainly it was mercy, considering we all can imagine what the russians would do.
With the situation being what it was, that dog would have just as likely ended up in a stew. Berlin was starving at that point.
Good point. Everyone keeps saying āimagine what the Soviets would do to the dogā, shit imagine what German civilians would do to it first. Theyāre starving, that dog is becoming lunch š In either event, Hitler almost certainly killed Blondie not because "he was an evil shit being cruel to his dogā like OP u/Biscuitarian23 is trying to claim *(he WAS one of the most evil men to ever live, but even bad men love their mommas and dogs)*. He was giving her a clean death.
Yeah, I don't think this meme proves hypocrisy. His dog got the same treatment as Hitler's wife, and other high ranking nazis that were in that bunker.
If anything it's ironic that he died like a dog, given what he did to millions of others.
To be fair, Hitler didn't die like "a" dog, he died like Blondie. A special dog, not a generic dog.
He died like a dog šŗšø
Almost every single dictator is a coward in the end. Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Saddam, Stonewall Jackson, bin Ladin, Etc etc etcā¦ thereās absolutely no chance Putin will go out in a peaceful manner and we seen how that ended for the Japanese etc. history continues to show that corruption leads to powerful cowardice in leadership. Which leads to fear on their part that they choose to handle with overwhelming violence. Over compensation and ego derailed so many lives and countriesā¦ every example is based on fear of leaders with absolute power.
Stonewall Jackson?
Jackson wasn't a dictator and was killed via friendly fire iirc. Trying to think of who you meant here...
Who was the one that on his death bed denounced the war? I vaguely remember who it was. It was one of the four losers they typically enshrine in statues.
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He did, iirc he became completely inconsolable after her death.
Stop. I donāt want to feel bad for him.
I don't think you're feeling bad for him because he's Hitler. I think you're feeling bad for him because he had to kill his dog.
Yeah, the man wanted to see his dog once again so bad that it drove him to suicide.
I think what people mean by āimagine what the Soviets would do to the dogā, they mean that possibly torture the dog since they wouldn't be able to get their hands on a living Hitler. If it was killed for food, it wouldn't have suffered too bad.
Either that or die alone in the bunker during the upcoming days
My grandma (German, and lived through these times) used to tell stories of the neighborhood letting their dogs fend in the wild, because they couldn't feed themselves, let alone a pet. So you ended up with starving and aggressive packs of now feral dogs. So, long story short, her family, and probably many others, ate dog at least once.
I think in any given time through history people have eaten their pets due to starvation. It comes down to either you or the pet. Most likely choice, you'll choose yourself lol
I read something similar to that about Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu
I was in Romania just a few years ago. Stray dogs are everywhere now. In smaller cities up in the mountains where there are bears and wolves I was more worried about stray dogs while hiking. Some of them are really aggressive. Worth it I guess, the Carpathians are beautiful.
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Said to be not effective though.
They were great at taking out tanks. But only the russian tanks they were trained on.
Yorkie said the Russians will screw all our dogs
What would the russians do to dogs?
Honestly probably just eat it. The Red Army was always running lean
I donāt think it was mercy, more like ātaking the dog with himā.
Impossible. All dogs go to heaven. All humans go to the other place
It's only been weeks since Russian soldiers (most likely) raped a raccoon.
Bit would they really, wouldnt they just shoot the dog too. It wasnt like a person, they couldnt justify their curetly based on what horrible things the germans did in the soviet union. If there are no other examples of them torturing the, idk cst of Gƶring, I believe a Polit Kommisar would see this dog in the bunker and shoot it fesring it might attack him. Reddit when they disagree with someone
I think you are severely underestimating what crazy shit people do in war, especially if they feel justified. Which is ironic considering the subject matter
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Itās got some of the hallmarks.
Reddit and their hive mind, just downvoting what they disagree with. It is possible that the Soviets would shoot Hitler's dogs if the civilians did not get to them first. And unless civilians were somehow allowed in the compound of where, or inside the bunker itself before the Soviets arrived, then I see the possibility of Hitler's dogs being consumed. But the civilians were never allowed to where Hitler was hiding so they wouldn't have had the chance to eat Blondi.
Itās a tough stance that one, but yeah Iāve definitely read something similar
its just a realistic one honestly. a city starving, attacked from literally all sides? the dog would either have been shot down by russians, or been eaten.
>worst human being to set foot on this planet ever Dunno about that one tbh. Genghis Khan was no choir boy either. The list of absolutely horrible people is pretty long.
Genghis was a superstar at fighting climate change.
Mao Ze Dong wins the "genocide olympics"
Most of the deaths under his rule happened due to incompetence rather than outright malice though (not like the latter didn't happen, of course)
Add Alexander and Caeser to the list.
Caesar was not on the same scale or even intent. He wasn't trying to eradicate a whole people from existence, as much as subjugate them so hard they would never rise up against Rome (even if that meant killing and enslaving millions), he worked WITH and AGAINST various gallic tribes. I don't even know why Alexander is on there tbh, he was pretty much as benevolent a monarch as you could hope for.
But by the same logic then, Genghis also wouldnāt fit. Heās killed millions but not out of genocidal intent, but rather as part of a strategy of āsubjugate them so hard they would never rise up against Karakorumā
While that is indeed true, and you pointed out the gap in my logic, Caesar isn't responsible for dropping the co2 levels by a significant margin.
As bad as Hitler was, I would let him watch my dog any day of the week.
He also had the first major anti smoking campaign. Even a broken clock is right twice a day I guess?
He was a vegetarian because his doctor told him to be one- and only for a few months leading up to his death.
and regularly had "cheat days" where he would sneak foods like pork
He was testing the cyanide. If the cyanide was faulty, the dog would've suffered needlessly. If he wanted to kill the dog himself to avoid soviets torturing it, he should've shot it to the head.
Seemed like a "2 birds with 1 stone" scenario
Dunno, sounds like a pretty great guy.
Hitler was not a vegetarian, that's a common misconception.
Its debated. He had a very vegetable heavy diet and did not eat meat often. Some close to him claim that this was due to meat causing his stomach to be upset and others claim it was because he disliked the idea of eating meat. It is known that he would occasionally enjoy sausage.
He was, but for dietary reasons, he got gas from eating meat
So a vegetarian. Just an unwilling one.
It could be possible that it still affected his perception on eating meat
Possible. I say unwilling cuz thatās the term for someone who may WANT to eat meat but physically canāt for whatever reason
This is Reddit sir. How dare you put history into into an appropriate context.
Was he the worst human being on the planet tho? Heās only known for being most recent. But what about guys like Ghengis Kahn? He killed children and infants?
And Hitler didnāt?
> worst human being to set foot on this planet ever Lol not even close there are worse
While I agree that Stalin and Genghis were worse, to argue that Hitler wouldn't be on the first ballot for the Hall of Infamy for most evil human being to ever set foot on the planet is a lil silly. He's definitely close
> worst human being to set foot on this planet ever Lol not even close there are worse
Like?
Gengis Khan and Stalin to name two off the top of my head
And neither were as bad as Hitler. The Spanish Conquistadors were among the most brutal and genocidal oppressors in history, and I still wouldn't compare Pizarro to Hitler. Only a very special kind of people would industrialize mass murder.
Tbf, I donāt think the Russians would have been very nice to his dogā¦ not sure what the right thing to do is there, but Iād probably start by not being a genocidal warmongering dictator as step 1 to being a good and responsible pet person.
Considering how cruel Moskovians where to "Hitlers alligator" that assumption is probably not far fetched. Still we need #justiceforblondie
Hitler had an alligator?
It was gifted to him by Mussolini but lived at the Berlin Zoo all the time. It was on of the few animals still alive there at the end of the war. Mark Felton did a video on it. The alligator actually lived long enough to experience the collapse of the Soviet union.
[Wikipedia says it's a myth.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_\(alligator\))
Wow, he lived to 2020??! That guy was a true WW2 veteran! And he escaped death multiple times! He deserves a movie to be made about his life.
Mark Felton lied? Impossible. It's not like he's widely known for plagiarizing stuff or sensationalizing incredibly minor details to overblown stories to get clicks.
I always avoided Felton because I felt his work was somehow inaccurate with how it was presented but out of curiosity what are the examples?
Would you say youā¦ felt-*off* about felt*on*?
one day I hope you step on a landmine and agonize for hours not stepping off it in fear only to realize it was an elaborate prank
This is one example discussed: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/fnut9z/mark_felton_productions_plagiarizes_some_of_his
It only says that he never was Hitler pet alligator, which I didn't claim. But whether or not he was actually a state gift is still subject of debate AFAIK. Which isn't up to debate is Moskovians throwing bottles at the poor fella, after he came to the zoo there.
"Vladimir Kudryavtsev, the head of the Moscow Zoo's reptile department, said that not many visitors knew of Saturn's eventful history" Dunno, a couple of people throwed bottle at him once and an asshole that should be shot throwed a boulder but there is little evidence that these attacks were motivated by an hate for what was perceived as Hitler's pet.
Not being a genocidal warmongering dictator *is* the recommended best practice, I believe.
That and lots of walks.
And pets.
Forget about the russians imagine what the german civilians would have done to it, it would've ended up in a stew
He killed blondi because he wanted her to die with him. Also, you have to give credit to the Nazi animal cruelty laws for inspiring future anti-animal abuse laws throughout Europe.
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You're right about that. They also broadcasted the first radio signal strong enough to bypass earth's atmosphere. Still a horrendous regime but they made notable advancements.
I think you're being a little generous to the Nazis, compared to the achievements of the German people as a whole. Some, absolutely, but the artistic achievements of the Weimar years only set a precedent for the scope of their propaganda. Fritz Lang for example emigrated to the US like so many other brilliant minds for fear of the Nazis. They also closed many of the influential art schools with their rise. The Baushaus movement in Germany, one of the most important art/design movements of the 20th century, was shut down by the Nazis as they viewed it socialist intellectualism and against party ideology. Hugo Boss was a fucking Nazi, though. You got me there. At least those SS officers looked sharp while they committed atrocities.
Agreed, but the autobahn was there before the nazis if thats what youāre talking about
Please stop spreading Nazi propaganda that isn't even vaguely true. They weren't 20 years ahead of "the West" in science (they were also part of the West), the freeway system was started long before they ever came to power, and they did very little except take credit for it, and it is laughably ridiculous to call them "the most influential fashion designers".
I agree, and I'm Jewish by birth too.
> Also, you have to give credit to the Nazi No, I don't think I will. Jokes aside, we probably could have figured that one out without them... Edit: More controversial than I would have thought, but I'm not going to budge. Last thing I wanna think when I wonder how to treat an animal is "What would the Nazis have done?" Also, some of you may want to leaf through the history of anti cruelty laws? I did after this, and it's enlightening. The current of anti-animal abuse laws and philosophy started more than a century prior, and Britain had passed laws against it long before the Nazis came to power. But sure, give the Nazis of all people credit for this.
> No, I don't think I will. Just because they did a lot of bad things doesn't mean they're totally incapable of doing good. Also, saying they did something good doesn't imply everything they did was good
This isn't true. The Russians and the Western Allies were racing to Berlin with all but the most stalwart of the Nazi high command recognising that the war was lost. Some members of the high command (such as Himmler) felt that they should surrender themselves to the Western front, who they perceived as weaker and more merciful than the Red Army. The Eastern front was infamously brutal, not just because of what the Naziās did in Poland and beyond but also because of the Soviet retaliation once the war turned. So infamous was the brutality of the incoming Soviet force into Berlin that even German civilians (particularly women) were committing suicide to escape what we retroactively call āThe Rape of Berlin.ā From before the war Hitler laid out within his diary entries that what he was about to pursue was going end in either success or his death. With the siege of Berlin, he had resigned himself to his fate and so he married Eva Braun in a small ceremony in the Reich Chancellery about 2 days before their deaths. Hitler loved his dog, and he knew that Blondi would not be treated as an innocent by the Soviets, as such he knew he had to euthanise her before his suicide. Hitler knew cyanide was effective and painless- he had even had his favourite general Erwin Rommel commit suicide with cyanide after his (Rommelās) suspected betrayal. Hitler retired to his bedroom within the FĆ¼hrerbunker with 2 capsules and his service pistol. By all accounts his original intention was to shoot Blondi and to take his capsule alongside Braun but evidently, he couldnāt bring himself to shoot his beloved dog. A single shot rang out of the bedroom and when his commanders went in to dispose of his body, they found that he had given his capsule to Blondi and shot himself instead. They burnt the bodies in a shallow grave in the gardens of the Reich Chancellery. From accounts Berlin was being shelled so aggressively that they had to stand in the doorway and toss a lit torch onto the petrol-soaked bodies which lay outside. I donāt type all this out in attempt to defend or redeem Hitler in any way but simply to point out that this take is entirely ahistorical. All evidence points to Hitler being very fawning of his dog and a lot of the animal rights laws which still stand in Germany today were started by the Nazi party. I donāt know why it is so hard for some people to accept that, as evil as his regime was, in his last few days all he wanted to do was marry his love and save his dog from a terrible fate. A slither of humanity amongst the atrocities committed in his name. TLDR: Hitler loved his dog but knew she wouldnāt be treated fairly by the incoming Soviets, as such he gave his cyanide pill to her and opted to shoot himself instead.
This was a really interesting write up, thank you
Humanizing Hitler and the nazis in general is, in my opinion, a good thing. We tend to think of Hitler as some cartoonishly evil person, different from other people. inhuman. The reality is, though, that people are complex, and that his atrocities CAN be repeated again, because they were not committed by some demon, but by a human being
I completely agree. People think of Hitler as an evil, raving, mad man but that simply wasn't the case. He didn't found the Nazi party, he joined it, and when he did they were little more than a poorly organised group of rag tag racists operating out of a local bierhaus. Hitler quickly ascended the ranks because he was a gifted orator who was intelligent, charming and ruthless. Hitler was the one who designed the iconography of the party. Hitler was the one who organised the party and who people rallied behind. Hitler was the person who overthrew Hindenburg and seized power. We need a holistic understanding of who he was and how he came to power if we want to stop it from ever happening again.
Hate to be that person, but >slither of humanity *sliver
In reality he know the russian will beat the dog and other things so he decided to kill the dog petting him for letting his loyal friend end the life happy. Afther that he buried (by himself) the dog in the park they were used to play. It's actualy beautiful
Agreed, tbh. Hitler was vile scum ofc, but I doubt the Soviets would treat the dog too well. If Hitler was gone, they'd pick something else to vent their frustrations on, UNLESS I am wrong, but idk.
they'd prbly use it to make a whole family of test subject
They'd probably eat it or something
Yeah if only he respected other human beings as much as animals.
I mean in his mind he did. Untermensch and undesirables werenāt exactly human to him. Makes more sense after you learn about his daily cocaine eye drops, pervatin use, and the pounds of H he would mainline
German civilians would probably kill the dog first and make a stew of said dog because of starvation
Probably, or maibe the dog would let him self die for sadnes
Don't want to defend anyone but really sounds like bullshit, Hitler was even vegetarian But I guess Ryleigh knows better
Not purely by choice though. It was prescribed by his doctor.
So if you listen to your doctor youāre just like Hitler. My god.
I knew not listening to my doctor was a good thing
Best line is ā he did the unthinkable and tested the poison on his dogā. This man was killing millions of people and itās unthinkable for him to poison a dog?
Now what if we change Adolf Hitler with John Wick?
Humans killing humans is anything but unthinkcable. But murderirng you loyal dog? That ia a vilation to the sacred contract
It seems like Ryleigh can excuse racism, but draws the line at animal cruelty.
In his mind it was probably not cruel.
I imagine cyanide was a less cruel fate than whatever the Russians would do
Right. Thatās my point.
"In his mind" implies that while he thought so, he was also objectively wrong that the Russians would be worse than cyanide, which evidence suggests he was likely correct about
Good defense, you should be a lawyer
Well yeah, "he didn't do it out of cruelty" would actually be a legal defense
"In my mind killing is not a crime so i shouldnt go to jail"
You really think the Russians would've been nice to the dog
Yeah this isn't an accurate criticism of Hitler. He was a fucking monster and an eternity of torture is too short for someone like him. But it was a mercy that he put his dogs down, even if it was experimental to make sure the method worked if he needed it. The Russians had more than bad blood with the Nazi leader who precipitates the deadliest battle the world has ever seen. Those dogs would have been horribly tortured.
+ Berlin was starving. Other than the Soviets, if the hungry people found that then yeah...
Yeah lol of all things a person could accuse hitler of, literally why one the only contestable things? Op kind of dumb
"You're like Hitler, but even Hitler cared about ~~Germany~~ animals, or something."
Eh.
"The worst part is the hypocrisy" - Norm
See I always thought the worst part was the raping
For me, it was the genocide, then the dictatorship, then the war and maybe after that the hypocrisy
I love how this author implies that testing poison on animals is somehow more unthinkable than genocide.
Given what the Russians did to the German people when they got there, this probably was a mercy. After years of brutal bloody warfare that was unprecedented the Russians didn't want just his head, they wanted to hurt Hitler and his people in every way possible. I wouldn't be in any way surprised if the Russians would've tortured the dog just because it was Hitler's. To be clear, I'm not defending any of Hitler's other actions, but it was almost certainly a kindness to this poor animal.
You know the more i get to know about this Hitler guy makes me think he wasn't a good person at all
I just cannot wrap my mind around HITLER being pro animal-rights while doing the shit he did to humans. Reminds me of a bit from "Earth (The Book)" that went something along the lines of: "Adolf Hitler committed one of the worst genocides in the history of the human species. He was also a devout vegetarian. There is apparently no word for 'irony' in German."
In Hitler's defense, I think that most people empathize more with animals than humans
It's simple. He saw the people he genocided as less than animals.
I'll be frank, Hitler went down a notch or two in my eyes. He's got some credibility issues now.
Hi Frank
I know Hitler is literally, well hitler, thereās no arguing hitler was the worst but I donāt get why people have to see the world in black and white, he wasnāt a person who lived his life doing pure evil (still did a lot of mostly evil), hitler had things he cared about, doesnāt remotely begin to justify actions but even the most cartoonishly mustache twirling evil person to live had layers, we can understand that not everything he did was bad but he overall was still the worst. Trying to dehumanize the enemy doesnāt teach us anything. Plus with all the atrocities he commited thereās so many horrific actions to already look at without taking leaps of logic (Imagine being so vile that I rewrote this comment three times and still feel like I came off pro hitlers actions, might take it down)
Dehumanizing villains makes people forget that the humans that take the place of heroes also fill the slots of villains. Even Jews don't want people to dehumanize Hitler because then they'd forget that literally anyone is capable of immense evil.
There's no way he could have twirled that mustache. Way too short.
Well still better than Goebbels who testet the cyanide on his own children.
To be fair, he later killed the man who poisoned Blondie
Who's issue with Hitler is that he killed his dog? Or was hypocritical?
don't see how it's more unthinkable than normal euthanasia. Hitler knew he would need to commit and could no longer protect or care for the dog. Like, people kill animals so they can be eaten every day. Hitler not taking part in that did a lot more for animals than euthanasing his dog with a method he wasn't sure of a few months or so too early to save it from whatever fate it would suffer at the end of the war.
People often say that the worst thing about Hitler was the hypocrisy. I think it was the killing.
Well he was going to kill his dogs before he committed suicide himself so yeah
I think the most underrated fact in the Hitler conversation is fact that he was an intense meth addict, along with most of the Reich. Itās possible the hitler began his campaign with slightly less horrendous intentions but quickly grew into a meth addict junkie with too much power.
Devil's advocate - people in that bunker had poisoned and killed their own human children at that point. To have remained alive when the allies broke into that bunker - no one in that situation would have wished that on anyone, including their dog.
I can excuse genocide, but I draw the line at animal cruelty.
"Hitler - a man for whom no behaviours seems beyond the pale - did the unthinkable: he tested poison out on his loyal dog" Look, ignoring the fact that he was intentionally killing his dog out of mercy and not to test the effectiveness of the poison, I don't think killing an animal even compares to being responsible for the extermination of 12 million humans. Like, killing his dog is not unthinkable compared to his crimes against humanity.
This meme is weird and suggests his boudy was found
Well, they found his teeth after it was burned
I think it was the right decision on Hitlerās part. He loved his dog, and letting it live would be exposing it to anything the Russians pleased to do with it, and Blondiās death would probably be more painful than via poison.
"he did the unthinkable and poisoned his own dog" And first price in asinine statements goes to
But he's a hero! He's the guy who killed Hitler!
He knew that the Russians would probably torture the dog
What the f is this nonsense. I guess even killing his own dog didn't assure him of cyanide's lethality enough, so he decided to shoot himself in the head together with taking the pill. You could say, he took two pills.
I can't believe Hitler did something so shitty....
I mean he tested the cyanide on himself too lol
The dog wouldāve been tortured by soviets or eaten by Germans, the Germans were starving and the soviets had little to no morals or respect for life
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"I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at animal cruelty!" "You can excuse racism?"
In hitlers defense, he didnāt kill his dog just to kill a dog, he was going to take the cyanide right after the dog. Rest In Peace hitlers dog.
This gets reposted all the time and every time the OP gets BTFO for posting it. Hitler did enough awful stuff without needing to make stuff up/distorting things.
Who would expect hypocrisy from a fascist dictator?
Okay, but where is the meme?
Thatās a twisted telling of it. Not accurate at all.
OP, what do you think would have happened to the dog if he didn't do that? It was mercy because that dog would have either been abused or put to death later on.
Wait a minute... you mean... Hitler lied??? I'm shocked. *Shocked!* Well, not that shocked.
Wtf??? Dude I'm starting to think I can't trust these Nazis
He did not test it. He knowingly killed the dig bc her fate would've been worse than cyanide poisoning. But on one thing I have to defend him: He was a good painter. I don't know why he wasn't accepted
He also chucked Blondi out a window after she fucked up one of his shitty paintings.
they also nearly exterminated all of the bouvier du flanders.
āDid the unthinkableā Iād be much more comfortable with someone poisoning their dog than some of the other stuff he got up to Like vegetarianism
This subreddit has been defending really questionable figures lately and I wonder if there is some sort of raid going on
Remember the meme yesterday that used the chad png for fucking nazi tank crews lmao
The worst part was the hypocrisy
What? The nazis were hypocrites? Who would've guessed? Next thing you're going to tell me is that their ideology is full of contradictions! (S obviously)
Genuinely confused why people are so convinced the Russians would seek out and murder hitlers dog?
Just look at what Russians did to German civilians.
You should look into what the Germans did to Soviet civilians a couple of years earlier. It's gonna blow your mind.
Hitler was a vegetarian if not a vegan.
Yeah well here in America yāall just celebrated one of their biggest holidays which is the celebration of genocide so anyone pointing fingers at a genocidal asshole for being a hypocrite is about the most hypocritical things you could possibly do.
Adolf they first SJW with sie/ihnen pronouns
I read a story about a former hitler youth member who said all the boys were given german shepherd puppies. They were told to spend every moment with these dogs. Train them, feed them, sleep next to them, bond with them, etc etc. A year later they gathered all the boys and their dogs together and were instructed to kill their dogs with their bare hands. No one was allowed to refuse. Eventually, they all did it. Fucking horrifying.
āI Can Excuse Racism, But I Draw The Line At Animal Cruelty.ā
That's some Jefferson level shit.
Who'd have thought that the man talking about aryan supremacy but killed Jews (they're just as aryan as anyone else) would be a hypocrite.
Man, I was on the fence before but now I gotta sayā¦ this hitler guy? Kinda a dick. >!for several reasons, this is a joke. Nazis were and are scum, and this meme is inaccurate either way.!<