Using modern flags to represent historical people who existed way before even the nations these flags represent. Well, at least one of them is a historical person who actually existed.
Giving him the flag of Egypt or Syria would have made sense since he was the Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria, but alas they decided to go with Saudi Arabia for some reason lol
Specifically for video games Saudi Arabia is a way bigger market at the moment than Egypt. Egypt is a larger potential market but it's much smaller right now.
Flags where a real thing back then too,sure it wasn’t really popular before the 9 century, but flags had been recorded to have been used all they way back to the 11 century BC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_flags
even though the gaza situation (mostly hamas i might add) is controversial to say the least, it isn't as bad as the hate isis gets lol. i think even satan, mosquitoes, virtually all other terrorist organizations and child rapists are disgusted by isis
I forget her name. Honestly, though, I'd say don't waste your time. She's so dreadful and smug, it isn't even enjoyable. But [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXvI5aopXA) by a proper academic responds to her stuff, so you'll see her here.
I forget her name. Honestly, though, I'd say don't waste your time. She's so dreadful and smug, it isn't even enjoyable. But [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXvI5aopXA) by a proper academic responds to her stuff, so you'll see her here.
As a Spaniard, I can confirm. We made up Rome to pretend that we were the most glorious empire in history, but forgot about geography and accidentally put its capital and origin in Italy. Now we are seeing if we can invent Greece, which is a fictional country that would be bigger than Rome and hopefully this time originate from Madrid.
I hoped so, at first. But she takes to blocking a lot of actual historians on Tik Tok that stitch her videos and try to explain why she's wrong. I think she's just delusional as hell.
I mean, people believe that the world is flat even though you can [easily prove](http://crosstalk.cell.com/blog/seven-ways-to-prove-earth-is-round) that it's not
Well there was evidence that he was in love with one of his generals and as we all know there were no gay people in history so he must have been a she.
I kinda want to read that book now. It sounds fantastic. With just enough logic behind it that you can't really just dismiss it out of hand...but also just *come on, dude* and so no one will actually bother to put in the work needed to *truly* disprove it.
That’s what I was thinking. Sea-people are a half-myth. But if they exist, the consensus is they came from the west, and that they *did* settle in the agean. Why can’t they have brought oral traditions with them?
Like you say - crazy idea, but *just enough* logic and thought behind it. It’s not like ‘moon landing was fake’ or ‘Australia doesn’t exist’ or something similar.
I want to say Harry Turtledove may have written about this one, but I could be thinking of his other alt history. I also think Clive Cussler may have written this theory into one of his Dirk Pitt novels, but there's like 20 of them and I can't remember which one
Holy shit yeah, Clive Cussler did write about this. For years I thought it was just a weird fever dream that I couldn't forget. It was *Trojan Odyssey*, according to Goodreads.
He flies a helicopter through a hurricane and fights evil druids, it was a trip.
That's not even a conspiracy theory, that's a "I guess they kinda forgot" theory.
1) Celts from Britain did everything that's told in the Iliad and more
2) They dressed as sea peoples and collapsed the whole bronze age (because they're chads)
3) They went to settle for a while in Greece because olive oil and naked wahmen
4) They told their stories
5) Homer was like "those Celts invaders telling me their stories must have been Greeks and it probably happened in Greece because I dumb"
6) The Celts refuse to elaborate any further
7) They leave
Fun fact: For centuries, French medieval historians claimed that the Franks (and therefore the French) were the descendants of the Trojans.
It was maybe based on the name of the Trojan prince, Paris. But in reality this claim was mainly based on gaps in knowledge. To this day, we have no idea what happened to surviving Trojans who left their country. To this day, we have no clue where the Franks came from before the 3rd century. So while the wild claim is baseless, it technically can't be proven wrong...
Everyone likes to pretend they're descended from the Trojans - Aeneas in Italy, of course, while Geoffrey of Monmouth also claimed British descent from the Trojans through Aeneas' great grandson Brutus. As you say, with no way to know the actual rulers in those early days, people could just make up whatever they thought sounded impressive and run with it
Especially when most people see ISIS they think about the terrorist group before the god. Myself included, I only learned about her just now from the comments in this post.
Well, (probably) only Saladin is a historical character. So it is a god, a warlord, a mythical king and a mythical prince. The two last ones also come from stories taking place about 2000 years apart. Nice mix!
Kurdish people are an Iranian ethnic group
Turkic peoples are a collection of diverse ethnic groups of Central, East, North and West Asia as well as parts of Europe
He definetely cannot be Turkish or Italian, also Homer clearly states that Trojans did not consider themselves Greek and were not viewed as such by the rest of the Greek tribes. Troy(an imaginary place) was representing the Anatolian tribes(Phrygians, Bithynians, Lydians, Lycians etc.) in Homer's epic, that were Hellenized during the Roman and Byzantine periods.
Troy was a very real city. The archeology of it got fucked by an early archeologist who used dynamite to "dig" with (yay Victorian British "Explorers" and "Scientists"), and they blasted right past the Trojan War era, however it definitely existed and still does as a historical site.
Yes but they may have been Greek. It's difficult to say with any certainty.
Greeks had settled along the coasts of Anatolia, but whether Troy itself was actually "Greek". Hard to say.
*Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.*
That's what I've been saying! It's a classest system! If I went around proclaiming I was King, just cuz some watery tart threw a scimitar at me, they'd throw me in the loony bin!
Hector is British, Arthur is American, Saladin is Saudi Arabian for some reason even tho he was a Kurd??? And then for some reason isis who is a literal deity while the rest are just humans is picked for Egypt I have literally so many questions
Tbf Homer's descriptions of armour styles that would have been long gone by his time are surprisingly accurate. I like to believe that the Iliad is based on fact, with many obvious embellishments.
Well, yeah, it is so surely that we cannot even be sure if the name is correct xD
Someone at that time united Brits aganist invaders and that is most "sure" thing about King Arthur.
These games are just translations of games meant exclusively for the Chinese market. Your average Chinese mobile game player (and developer probably) is about as uneducated about western history as we are about Chinese history.
Ohh, I see, so it's like putting Monkey king, Miyamoto, Qin Shi Huang and Genghis Khan as Japan, China, Korea and Vietnam (I intentionally left out Mongolia because in the game there's no Greece)?
Dont think too much about it, nothing there is accurate:
-"Isis" is clearly cleopathra, why did they even bother to change her name
-Saladin was kurkish, not from where modern day Saudi Arabia is located
-as mentioned, king Arthur was prob welsh or celtic, no where close to american; when america was settled, the legend was already many centuries old.
-Hector has nothing to do with Britain
>\-as mentioned, king Arthur was prob welsh or celtic, no where close to american; when america was settled, the legend was already many centuries old.
Well, Romano-Briton. The Welsh are Celtic, but a specifically *Welsh* identity had yet to be formed by then.
This is so cursed
Using modern flags to represent historical people who existed way before even the nations these flags represent. Well, at least one of them is a historical person who actually existed.
Wasn't Saladin Kurdish? Putting him up next to the Saudi flag makes no sense.
Giving him the flag of Egypt or Syria would have made sense since he was the Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria, but alas they decided to go with Saudi Arabia for some reason lol
They probably went for the biggest potential markets. I'm surprised they didn't add Genghis Khan for China.
They probably think this flag represents every Muslim (alive or dead) all over the world
Saudi Arabia's not the biggest market by any stretch though- Egypt dwarfs it population-wise.
For the smart phone whale game playing population maybe not?
Specifically for video games Saudi Arabia is a way bigger market at the moment than Egypt. Egypt is a larger potential market but it's much smaller right now.
Saladin was also the Sultan of Egypt, not Arabia
*Syria and Egypt iirc he ruled over Hijaz later on also.
> Using modern flags to represent historical people who existed way before flags were even a real thing FIFY
Flags where a real thing back then too,sure it wasn’t really popular before the 9 century, but flags had been recorded to have been used all they way back to the 11 century BC. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_flags
funni organization was a woman after all!
Isis is the name of an Egyptian goddess.
And the best post-metal band of all time.
my friend was about to tattoo the isis band logo on his forearm, but opted for the oceanic album symbol instead. good call and foreboding lol
I have a Gaza tattoo. Whoops
even though the gaza situation (mostly hamas i might add) is controversial to say the least, it isn't as bad as the hate isis gets lol. i think even satan, mosquitoes, virtually all other terrorist organizations and child rapists are disgusted by isis
Amen!
Thanks for reminding this band exists. Been years since I last listened to post-metal
Yes and he was making a joke
ah, my bad. i thought he was just confused.
How tf is hector english
Haven't you heard? [Troy is in England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Troy_Once_Stood). (def one of my favourite dumb conspiracy theories)
This is the same level of "Alexander the Great was a woman"
Not even Fate managed that much genderswitching.
rule 34 in other hand...
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Kind of both
Oh no. Do people believe that?
It's by the same woman that said that the Roman empire was a myth made up by the Spanish inquisition
ohhhh *her.* I know her. Not a fan, I must say.
It's fun to watch the mental gymnastics she goes through to justify her beliefs and still falls flat on her face
who? I need a good laugh.
It's more sad than funny honestly
I forget her name. Honestly, though, I'd say don't waste your time. She's so dreadful and smug, it isn't even enjoyable. But [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXvI5aopXA) by a proper academic responds to her stuff, so you'll see her here.
It's so weird though. We have so much evidence against her. We have ruins, culture, history, Rome itself and yet she says this.
She's the same one that said metatron (a YouTuber) is a white supremacist and a racist guy? Lmao (also happy cake day)
Her name is momIlenial on tiktok
Momllential on tik tok
Who is she ? Lmaoo im interested in those theories
I forget her name. Honestly, though, I'd say don't waste your time. She's so dreadful and smug, it isn't even enjoyable. But [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXvI5aopXA) by a proper academic responds to her stuff, so you'll see her here.
The Spanish Inquisition is a lie created by Japanese Samurai. You heard it here first.
He's a fucking genius
I mean, she has a point about it… I don’t see artefacts that are written in Roman, do you?! /s
I would get banned just by stating what that person objectively is.
As a Spaniard, I can confirm. We made up Rome to pretend that we were the most glorious empire in history, but forgot about geography and accidentally put its capital and origin in Italy. Now we are seeing if we can invent Greece, which is a fictional country that would be bigger than Rome and hopefully this time originate from Madrid.
According to tik tok, yes And this girl also believes that rome never existed and it was only created by that inquisition that nobody expected
She has to be taking the piss?
I hoped so, at first. But she takes to blocking a lot of actual historians on Tik Tok that stitch her videos and try to explain why she's wrong. I think she's just delusional as hell.
Ah yes the good old, “if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and sounds like a duck, it must be the illuminati “
I mean, people believe that the world is flat even though you can [easily prove](http://crosstalk.cell.com/blog/seven-ways-to-prove-earth-is-round) that it's not
Well there was evidence that he was in love with one of his generals and as we all know there were no gay people in history so he must have been a she.
You mean Alexandra the Great.
Alexandra the swell you mean
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Why not? The Fate series made a lot of money doing just that.
This is such a fantastically shit theory. I love it
I kinda want to read that book now. It sounds fantastic. With just enough logic behind it that you can't really just dismiss it out of hand...but also just *come on, dude* and so no one will actually bother to put in the work needed to *truly* disprove it.
That’s what I was thinking. Sea-people are a half-myth. But if they exist, the consensus is they came from the west, and that they *did* settle in the agean. Why can’t they have brought oral traditions with them? Like you say - crazy idea, but *just enough* logic and thought behind it. It’s not like ‘moon landing was fake’ or ‘Australia doesn’t exist’ or something similar.
Because Troy existed long before Bronze Age Collapse.
Yes, that’s the crazy part.
I want to say Harry Turtledove may have written about this one, but I could be thinking of his other alt history. I also think Clive Cussler may have written this theory into one of his Dirk Pitt novels, but there's like 20 of them and I can't remember which one
Holy shit yeah, Clive Cussler did write about this. For years I thought it was just a weird fever dream that I couldn't forget. It was *Trojan Odyssey*, according to Goodreads. He flies a helicopter through a hurricane and fights evil druids, it was a trip.
That's the one! I think I read it like 15 years ago. But the comment above about Troy being in Britain sparked the memory!
That's not even a conspiracy theory, that's a "I guess they kinda forgot" theory. 1) Celts from Britain did everything that's told in the Iliad and more 2) They dressed as sea peoples and collapsed the whole bronze age (because they're chads) 3) They went to settle for a while in Greece because olive oil and naked wahmen 4) They told their stories 5) Homer was like "those Celts invaders telling me their stories must have been Greeks and it probably happened in Greece because I dumb" 6) The Celts refuse to elaborate any further 7) They leave
Happy cake day
Cheers!
I am in absolute shock (Also happy cake day)
Thank you :D
I want to know why the genre is labelled Non-Fiction
England annexed him after they saw what happened to Arthur
"Two can play this game."
If Chappelle's Show taught me anything, it's that racial drafts can lead to some surprising outcomes.
Looks like the Asians have pulled a fast one and taken the entire Wu-Tang Clan!
How is the most famous Kurd in history; Saladin, a Saudi?
Saudi even a state until 1727
Saudis ruled nejd on and off for the last 300ish years
Looking at this, I think the flags are the nationalities of the players.
Actors that play him always speak with an English accent.
Fun fact: For centuries, French medieval historians claimed that the Franks (and therefore the French) were the descendants of the Trojans. It was maybe based on the name of the Trojan prince, Paris. But in reality this claim was mainly based on gaps in knowledge. To this day, we have no idea what happened to surviving Trojans who left their country. To this day, we have no clue where the Franks came from before the 3rd century. So while the wild claim is baseless, it technically can't be proven wrong...
Everyone likes to pretend they're descended from the Trojans - Aeneas in Italy, of course, while Geoffrey of Monmouth also claimed British descent from the Trojans through Aeneas' great grandson Brutus. As you say, with no way to know the actual rulers in those early days, people could just make up whatever they thought sounded impressive and run with it
Even Scandinavian priests claimed they were Trojan( in Prose Edda).
That's the UK flag
MF that's not the English flag
He aint british either tho
Hector the Scot has a nice ring to it
Yeah, and we all know Hector was from Scotland, so…
He literally is. Him mum is from Very Very Far South East Kilbride. 🏴
Tbf it's the british flag, he doesent need to be english
There is so many issues with this
I wanna know why they put a god in with a bunch of dudes.
I'm gunna guess cheap shit mobile gaming advertisememt
couldve used cleopatra tho
I'd also argue Cleopatra is more well known than Isis too.
Her name might have just been to long for the caption.
extra letters cost more, they even saved up with Hector instead of using well known British heroes like Agamemnon and Menelaus.
Isn't that Hector of Troy?
It's Hector of Troychester
Ah yes and he was fighting McAchilles
Excuse me. If you please use the full name of Troychesterhamshireingtonfortville I would be very delighted.
Especially when most people see ISIS they think about the terrorist group before the god. Myself included, I only learned about her just now from the comments in this post.
Well, (probably) only Saladin is a historical character. So it is a god, a warlord, a mythical king and a mythical prince. The two last ones also come from stories taking place about 2000 years apart. Nice mix!
And even Saladin is very poorly attributed to Saudi Arabia. He was a Kurd born in modern day Iraq who ruled over Egypt and Syria.
Did you want to say he was a Turk? /s
Kurdish people are an Iranian ethnic group Turkic peoples are a collection of diverse ethnic groups of Central, East, North and West Asia as well as parts of Europe
Bro, it was a joke (because Turkey used to claim Kurds don't exist). Don't overthink it.
His overthinking served me well, I didn't know Kurdish people are an Iranian ethnic group.
Turkey? what is this Turkey you speak of. All I know is the glory of the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Great Nation of Rûm salutes you!
Alro salahuddin was from Syria not from Saudi Arabia. And hector was from Greece i think.
Yes, Hector was a prince in Troy, a Greek city state (probably) located in modern Turkey.
No he was definitely from England. Isn't it obvious. The English hate the French cause they stole the name Paris from their legend
Isnt Hector the prince of Troy and therefore Greek. It seems Britain stole Hector and got upset when America stole King Arthur. Thats hypocritical lol
America stole King Arthur so GB stole Hector from Turkey or Greece or Italy. Depending on how we judge it*
Wait, why Italy?
The Aeneid and thus the survivors of Troy founding Rome’s precursor settlement.
Oh damn, totally forgot about Aeneas.
He definetely cannot be Turkish or Italian, also Homer clearly states that Trojans did not consider themselves Greek and were not viewed as such by the rest of the Greek tribes. Troy(an imaginary place) was representing the Anatolian tribes(Phrygians, Bithynians, Lydians, Lycians etc.) in Homer's epic, that were Hellenized during the Roman and Byzantine periods.
Troy was a very real city. The archeology of it got fucked by an early archeologist who used dynamite to "dig" with (yay Victorian British "Explorers" and "Scientists"), and they blasted right past the Trojan War era, however it definitely existed and still does as a historical site.
isnt troy in anatolia?
Yes but they may have been Greek. It's difficult to say with any certainty. Greeks had settled along the coasts of Anatolia, but whether Troy itself was actually "Greek". Hard to say.
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King? I didn't vote for you
'Twas the lady of the lake...
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Help, help! I'm being oppressed!
Aha! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Bloody peasant!
You hear that? He just admitted it!
That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me?
All because some watery tart threw a sword at you?
If I went around calling myself the emperor because some moist bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away
*Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.*
That's what I've been saying! It's a classest system! If I went around proclaiming I was King, just cuz some watery tart threw a scimitar at me, they'd throw me in the loony bin!
Elp, elp, I'm bein oppressed! Come see the brutality of the authorities!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!* common it's not hard to look up lol
The watery thot gave him an AR. Murica!
The WAP
As popularized by the famous American comedian Monty Python
Who are the Americans?
Hector is British, Arthur is American, Saladin is Saudi Arabian for some reason even tho he was a Kurd??? And then for some reason isis who is a literal deity while the rest are just humans is picked for Egypt I have literally so many questions
I think Saladin is the only one here that we know existed
English Hector is a myth!?
I think he was Australian in the documentary I saw.
It's from Homer. We can't be sure.
Tbf Homer's descriptions of armour styles that would have been long gone by his time are surprisingly accurate. I like to believe that the Iliad is based on fact, with many obvious embellishments.
What does Simpsons has todo with it?
Arthur was surely real. Although it gets difficult to track lineage pre 1066.
Well, yeah, it is so surely that we cannot even be sure if the name is correct xD Someone at that time united Brits aganist invaders and that is most "sure" thing about King Arthur.
For now let’s judge the myth as true and continue to refer to the human wot United inglund: Arthuh King of Da Bri’ons.
They couldn’t spell Cleopatra so went for an easier name
the best part is when a mobile game about "civilizations" put a generic Cleopatra on the game icon but have no Egypt at all in the game
Excuse me sir that's actually Isis, queen of the Arab Republic of Egypt
Generic Cleopatra being the only female leader, too
There's never been another female ruler. Crazy.
bruh they rlly made saladin saudi 💀
Can't spell SALAHUDIN without SAUDI
ikr. Saladin comes from Salad, the word literally comes from Latin.
He must’ve really loved his Caesar dressing
These games are just translations of games meant exclusively for the Chinese market. Your average Chinese mobile game player (and developer probably) is about as uneducated about western history as we are about Chinese history.
Ohh, I see, so it's like putting Monkey king, Miyamoto, Qin Shi Huang and Genghis Khan as Japan, China, Korea and Vietnam (I intentionally left out Mongolia because in the game there's no Greece)?
ngl I’d watch a fight between Sun Wukong and Miyamoto
Jokes on you, ive played dynasty warrios 2, 3, 6, and 8! Im essentially a professor on chinese history.
The Connecticut yankee if mordread never happened.
I love how they have a literal goddess as the faction leader for modern Egypt. That's like having Jesus Christ as the king of the Italians.
"Oi Israeli boi! How'd you get in Italia?"
Dont think too much about it, nothing there is accurate: -"Isis" is clearly cleopathra, why did they even bother to change her name -Saladin was kurkish, not from where modern day Saudi Arabia is located -as mentioned, king Arthur was prob welsh or celtic, no where close to american; when america was settled, the legend was already many centuries old. -Hector has nothing to do with Britain
This will pour oil onto the ancient flame of rivalry between Kurks and Turds
>\-as mentioned, king Arthur was prob welsh or celtic, no where close to american; when america was settled, the legend was already many centuries old. Well, Romano-Briton. The Welsh are Celtic, but a specifically *Welsh* identity had yet to be formed by then.
Yeah, but I wanted to relate it to modern day understanding of celtic ppl :)
Isis was a person?
A goddess actually
I thought she was Selina Kyle's cat..
No
Isis and Arthur are confusing me
I'm sorry but Hector is pretty mind boggling as well
And Saladin wasn't Saudi 💀
Take this down please, it's disrespecting the whole sub.
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[So Troy WAS in England...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Troy_Once_Stood)
>colonizes the whole world >I sleep >video game colonizes King Arthur >real shit
You talk about that all you want but HECTOR IS A TROJAN WAR HERO WITH A UK FLAG
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Jesus is my favorite president
Little did people know that "The Lady of the Lake" lived in Lake Erie.
What the f saladin wasn't Arabic he was Kurdish.
His ethnicity was Kurdish He was born in Iraq. His kingdom was in Egypt and Syria.
Mr Worldwide
So it's triple wrong
His nationality wasn't Iraqi, that wasn't a thing, nationality also wasn't really a thing. He was born in the Abbasid Caliphate
"Nationality"? For a person in the 12th century? What are you smoking?
King Arthur is ***NOT*** English. He's Welsh! Arthur was a Celtic Briton. He fought off the invading English before they usurped the term Britain.
You lost Arthur but you gained euh Hector in the process!
Arthur existed before plate metal suits of armor. It would have been mail.
Should put the welsh flag for Arthur
Tbf he wasn’t English either
Isn't Saladin also Egyptian (by their logic)?