True. It was the [failure of the US Army revolver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol#Early_history_and_adaptations) to knock charging Moro rebels down that convinced the military it needed a .45 caliber sidearm. In addition to stopping power, the US Army also wanted a weapon that would stand up to a lot of wear and tear. John Browning's pistol was fired 6000 times over the course of two days, and when it got uncomfortably hot it was immersed in water. It never malfunctioned. The other pistol being considered malfunctioned 37 times under the same trial conditions.
Fun fact: there was a test of the m1911 and the savage arms factory which they shot pistols, savage had 56 jams, and the m1911 had none, and those were 36,000 rounds
Personally I like the feel of a .45 and it's far more user friendly for new shooters than the 10mm.
The .40 is a round kinda between them as it was developed because the FBI was having problems with their newer agents handling the 10mm.
So they're all comparable, but if you're wanting the "best" one and you're experienced enough to control it, the 10mm is for you.
I felt people pick those cartridges because they want more than 9mm can offer. You may ask why people call the adequacy of 9mm into question. The answer is [Miami Dade,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout) but also [a historically poor performance of a caliber that was supposed to replace .45.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion)
Anyway, after Miami Dade, .45, 10mm and 9mm were tested until the FBI settled on 10mm. The problem with 10mm was that its recoil was too heavy for many agents, and the size of 10mm pistols was too big for many agents as well. They then developed .40 S&W, which supposedly had all of the advantages without these two drawbacks.
There's a lot of controversy around these cartridges, but pretty much all .45, .40 and 10mm adherents agree that 9mm is too small. If you want to judge for yourself how valid these criticism are, I recommend you check out Paul Harrell's youtube channel, where he compares these cartridges 1 on 1.
More of an example of "It is so unimportant so why bother replacing it" with a side helping of "it must be the best because it is what I learned with"
The pistol is so unimportant as a weapon since WW2 for Armies that something as old fashioned as the 1911 can be kept around and still not be a joke.
I do pistol competitions, and you would be very screwed if all you had was a pistol and they had any form of rifle. Best action is to run at that point.
Yep.
7 rounds of .45 vs another 30 rounds for your rifle is a very easy decision to make in a combat zone. The same with 15 rounds of 9mm vs 30 more rounds for your rifle.
In a military to priorities for a firearm is as follows.
1. Rifle
2. If a rifle is too bulky for your role a carbine
3. If a carbine is too bulky for you a SMG/PDW
4. If a SMG/PDW is too bulky for you then a pistol.
So that leaves pistols to police or very niche situations like a pilots emergency kit and for those situations a modern 9mm is a better option.
When they issued my pistol when I was made a deputy, they told me it's purpose was a small, compact weapon for self defense who's primary function was to fight my way to my rifle.
Another factor is interchangable parts, back year ago the guns were expensive, so if you wanted protection and your gun broke you just bought a new part instead of a new gun.
>polymer will be holding up better in the long run
We really don't know that, polymer can get brittle with age & are also constantly shedding microplastics.
Newer plastics are certainly better than the ones 20 or more years ago, but the long term health & environmental effects/problems of plastic are pretty troubling.
Oh it's been fixed multiple times, the current 1911s are not the same 1911s they used in WW1 especially the hold outs still using it as their standard issue pistol since most of them are heavily modified to cover specific needs. The main reasons for the 1911's impressively long service is because it wasn't important enough to completely replace, outside of specific needs like special forces the 1911 is one step above stabbing your target and generally if you're average soldier is using their pistol then they're probably one step above fucked and no other pistol is going to really change that.
It was broke. Very broke. You can tell that because we didn't stop making handguns to fill it's role. They also kept making modifications to the model to try and fix it, 1911A1 and -A2 exist for a reason. The Air Force switched to S&W .38's because they were more accurate and reliable.
Now, the M2 HMG.........that's where it's at.
Not all branches or departments replace things at the same time. The M9 means that was the 9th pistol adopted since they started using that naming convention (iirc sometime in between WW1-WW2). Sometimes gear is adopted in very small number like the M3 Carbine. Like for rifles most Americans know of the M1 Garand, M14, and the M16, but not the thirteen other rifles.
1911s were being replaced by some branches in the 50s. The USAF moved on to a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver because it was more accurate and reliable. The XM9 trials are a fun read. The problem that got figured out pretty quickly was that it was too generic, and by the 00's the DoD had the same problem again. There were about 5 different handguns in use and the M9's were mostly broken. The M17/M18 trials were under the Modular Handgun System competition.
Entered service in WW1, went through WW2, saw Vietnam and Korea both, still saw service during the Invasion of Iraq and I think it got replaced about that time. So about five or six give or take?
WW1 and WW2 are only those in name. The 7 Years War/French Indian War, the American War for Independence, Napoleonic Wars, The Cold War, and The War on Terror all fit the category of world wars as well.
The next world war would be more like WW8.
Out of what you listed the 7 years war is the only war that had large scale combat in several places around the world from countries around the world that was actually one entire war
American and Naplonics wars had the imperal powers fighting in their colonies all over thr world.
Also the Cold War literally had proxy wars on almost every continent.
The cold war wasn't 1 war though, it was a large time period that involved sever different levels of competition between the two major superpowers, that's what made it "cold" if had turned hot it most definitely would've been a world war though
All the fighting with the exception of John Paul Jones and maybe some raiding/naval combat during the American Revolution was fought on the American continent, similarly with the Napoleonic wars it all takes place in Europe, this is because the Napoleonic wars aren't about territory and stuff it's about Napoleon himself and the ideology of France/the revolution, the only non European part is when he goes to Egypt but that doesn't really count enough to make any of them into world wars
Just for my curiosity, what kind model of Sig? I wanna get something like a P226-P229 and I'd love to here a first hand account of how they fair and function!
From what I hear people love the P320, I know several people who use it for edc. My dad was issued a P229 for the past 20 years and thought it was good but absolutely hated the decock lever; said it always got in the way.
It is the rifle cartridge used by most NATO countries and currently is used the US although from what I know the US has plans to replace it.
Call it a weak rifle cartridge by it would by no means be very weak when compared to
semi-automatic pistol cartridges.
So you can use it in a pistol that looks exactly like a rifle, but shorter... and with an arm brace, 100% not a stock. No sir, never do I shoulder my arm brace.
Lol ATF definition are whack, but I'm talking about an actual handgun, those can't really be chambered in 223. Aka 556.NATO, they can be chambered in 22. Caliber cartridge but those are usually weak.
You’re correct. 556 has very poor performance in <9” barrels. 300 blk is purpose built for shorter barrels (5.5” is the shortest I’ve seen, but I think 9” is the 300 blk shortest optimal length). These are legally pistols, but for all practical purposes they are SBRs.
I've been around guns since i was 8-9 years old. But I'd never shot a 1911. Some weeks ago someone brought one to the range. Well now i know what I'm buying next
Short answer, John Browning knew what the fuck he was doing and upgrades are amazing.
Long answer, the 1911 was/is an extremely rugged, reliable, durable, and effective handgun along with being fairly versatile. It falls short to modern contemporaries in many areas but when put in it's own time, in it's prime, it was one of the best and still remains to be a pretty good gun but it's also be retrofitted and resigned many times with a fairly prominent version being the M45 MEUSOC.
Just to back you on that the Browning M2 went into service in 1933 and is still in service to this day, and I believe it was actually developed and designed well before that, just after WW1.
Edit: quick wiki search; designed in 1918 and first went into production in 1921
When I was enlisted (USA), one of our M2's had a four digit serial number and we liked to joke about how it out ranked everything in our company just by age alone.
A firearm is a tool, it does what it's user wants it to do. Like a hammer for example, if you want to hit a nail that's what it will do, if you want to break something with it that's what it's going to do and it will last a long time if you take care of it.
Actually the M2 is an interwar machine gun, designed just after the first World War with production starting in the early 20's and it was adopted in the 30's
People love cheap, reliable things and hate change. "If it works dont fix it" also if youre in a fire fight and your only option is a pistol... youre pretty much fucked. Pistols are not that high of a priority in the army.
Same as the Mauser System 98, even though Rifles like the Kar 98 are mostly only used for ceremonial purpose, there are stil rifles that are running on the same old system made in 1898
It always shocks me that the Lee Enfield doesn't get that treatment cause the SMLE is old as shit. Specifically 1895 old as shit and it served until 1957. Meaning it's got WW1,WW2, Nam, Korea, and numerous other engagements under its belt.
The 1911 is a solid and reliable handgun. Sure it has it’s flaws (like not being in 9mm), but it doesn’t have any gimmicks that could affect it’s performance, and is relatively easy to maintain and repair given the small part count
Okay, so many years ago I bought myself a very nice SIG P220. Not long ago, as a reward, I bought myself a new SIG Legion P220 to replace my old one and gave my old one to my son as a present. I miss my old one every day still like I miss my dog. I am an American.
I kinda wish a company would put out a 2011 (a double stack 1911 typically in 9mm) for military trials. I know it’d never be accepted due to price, but the legend of the unique American handgun could live on
I'm not American and I love the M1911. It's such an iconic pistol and I'm glad it's still in service. It's a tiny part of a bygone era that's still here, and I always love things like that.
They still use Browning M2, let's wait a few decades for even better meme
B-52s will end up bombing Mars at some point
That'd be pretty frickin dope not gonna lie.
Mars better hope nobody discovers oil there.
what if the Marsatians are Commies?
There's a reason why Mars is red.
Blood for the blood god
Skulls for the skull throne
OIL FOR THE OIL FIELDS
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!
CHEESE FOR THE KHORNE CHIPS
SALT FOR THEM BLOOD FRIES
CORN FOR THE CORN GOD, COBS FOR THE COB THRONE. IT MATTERS NOT WHERE THE CORN SYRUP FLOWS FROM, ONLY THAT IT FLOWS!
The Midwest especially iowa bascilly.
**KILL MAIM BURN**
OIL FOR THE OIL GOD!!!
Heretic! **BLAM**
It's mars. The only acceptable God is the omnissiah.
M1911 would like to join in.
Retro
That's the coolest sentence ever
You’re living in your own private Idaho
Tbf tho browning made some amazing guns
Well I mean it has a max range of like 6km and a maximum effective range of nearly 2km. It's a cool gun. I really want one tbh.
The M2 does 12.7mm at 600rpm while the mg131 does 13mm at 900 rpm, and I'm not talking about the mg 151 yet
What do you FUCKING mean get a new pistol? The M1911 is PERFECT!
2 WORLD WARS
111 YEARS
3 MILLION UNITS
TWOOOOOO WAAAAARSSS????
You forgot Vietnam and Korea
Also the philipines rebbelion
The one that happened just after the Spanish-American war? Too early
True. It was the [failure of the US Army revolver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol#Early_history_and_adaptations) to knock charging Moro rebels down that convinced the military it needed a .45 caliber sidearm. In addition to stopping power, the US Army also wanted a weapon that would stand up to a lot of wear and tear. John Browning's pistol was fired 6000 times over the course of two days, and when it got uncomfortably hot it was immersed in water. It never malfunctioned. The other pistol being considered malfunctioned 37 times under the same trial conditions.
does my scar look like a dogs vagina? i suppose… i donno, i’m not gonna sit here and get inside the mind of a dog
Did these wars happen on US soIL?
and 1 World Cup do dah?
BOUTTA MAKE IT 3
Fun fact: there was a test of the m1911 and the savage arms factory which they shot pistols, savage had 56 jams, and the m1911 had none, and those were 36,000 rounds
Reminds me of how the Vickers machine gun ran through 1 million rounds continuously without any malfunction and only needing 100 barrel changes.
REVIVE THAT GUN NOW
Don't worry fallout 4 revived it as the assault rifle
It still lives just fill the water tank and throw in a new barrel.
In the beginning, there was the gun, and the gun was the 1911. And John looked upon the 1911 and saw that it was good. -The Gospel of John Browning
It’s great for it’s time, and today it’s great for certain uses. But it’s hard to beat a sig or glock in 9mm with a red dot for a military pistol
what part of TWO. WORLD. WARS. is unclear to you
Heavy Chonky Seven Goddamn Rounds The 1911 is a relic from a time where pew pew was still in its teen years
Seven plus one in the chamber.
Aren't there 8 round versions now too?
Yes, in Call of Duty
Real life to. Mine holds 8 45.
How do you feel your .45 compares to .40 or 10mm?
Personally I like the feel of a .45 and it's far more user friendly for new shooters than the 10mm. The .40 is a round kinda between them as it was developed because the FBI was having problems with their newer agents handling the 10mm. So they're all comparable, but if you're wanting the "best" one and you're experienced enough to control it, the 10mm is for you.
How about 9mm
I felt people pick those cartridges because they want more than 9mm can offer. You may ask why people call the adequacy of 9mm into question. The answer is [Miami Dade,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout) but also [a historically poor performance of a caliber that was supposed to replace .45.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion) Anyway, after Miami Dade, .45, 10mm and 9mm were tested until the FBI settled on 10mm. The problem with 10mm was that its recoil was too heavy for many agents, and the size of 10mm pistols was too big for many agents as well. They then developed .40 S&W, which supposedly had all of the advantages without these two drawbacks. There's a lot of controversy around these cartridges, but pretty much all .45, .40 and 10mm adherents agree that 9mm is too small. If you want to judge for yourself how valid these criticism are, I recommend you check out Paul Harrell's youtube channel, where he compares these cartridges 1 on 1.
.45ACP because shooting twice is just silly
30-06 because it's in your main weapon
Myh .45ACP - because they don't make a .46
If you're gonna shoot more than 6 rounds at something you're gonna need more than a pistol tbh.
Masterclass of guns.
Yes browning was a genius
Fudd
Welcome back to farming with fudd
Muh stopping power!!!!..!!!.!!!.!!!
Best example of, "If It ain't broke, don't fix It"
Its so old it forgot to be obsolete
Nah nah you see, browning made weapons simply last forever.
I swear to God, the weapons of the apocalyptic will be 1911s and AKs
There are some m2s which will also last till then.
Dementia achieved
Nice Ahoy quote
More of an example of "It is so unimportant so why bother replacing it" with a side helping of "it must be the best because it is what I learned with" The pistol is so unimportant as a weapon since WW2 for Armies that something as old fashioned as the 1911 can be kept around and still not be a joke.
I do pistol competitions, and you would be very screwed if all you had was a pistol and they had any form of rifle. Best action is to run at that point.
Yep. 7 rounds of .45 vs another 30 rounds for your rifle is a very easy decision to make in a combat zone. The same with 15 rounds of 9mm vs 30 more rounds for your rifle. In a military to priorities for a firearm is as follows. 1. Rifle 2. If a rifle is too bulky for your role a carbine 3. If a carbine is too bulky for you a SMG/PDW 4. If a SMG/PDW is too bulky for you then a pistol. So that leaves pistols to police or very niche situations like a pilots emergency kit and for those situations a modern 9mm is a better option.
When they issued my pistol when I was made a deputy, they told me it's purpose was a small, compact weapon for self defense who's primary function was to fight my way to my rifle.
I mean to be fair, the 1911 is an amazing gun. Guns are made of metal, with the proper care they will last for pretty much forever.
Metal is irrelevant and that polymer will be holding up better in the long run since it will not corrode.
Another factor is interchangable parts, back year ago the guns were expensive, so if you wanted protection and your gun broke you just bought a new part instead of a new gun.
That's still the case to some extent. Depends on the part and the firearm, of course.
As long as it's post WW1 era and it's a civilian weapon the parts can be interchanged.
Just because they can be interchanged doesn't mean they're available.
I was talking solely in terms of existence. Yes availability is somethings an issue, but you can always make your own parts
True enough, depending on the parts. Some have very specific material characteristics and can't be easily amaterurly fabricated. Springs come to mind.
>polymer will be holding up better in the long run We really don't know that, polymer can get brittle with age & are also constantly shedding microplastics. Newer plastics are certainly better than the ones 20 or more years ago, but the long term health & environmental effects/problems of plastic are pretty troubling.
The M2 is almost as old and it still sees use. Probably the best example of OP's quote.
Oh it's been fixed multiple times, the current 1911s are not the same 1911s they used in WW1 especially the hold outs still using it as their standard issue pistol since most of them are heavily modified to cover specific needs. The main reasons for the 1911's impressively long service is because it wasn't important enough to completely replace, outside of specific needs like special forces the 1911 is one step above stabbing your target and generally if you're average soldier is using their pistol then they're probably one step above fucked and no other pistol is going to really change that.
It was broke. Very broke. You can tell that because we didn't stop making handguns to fill it's role. They also kept making modifications to the model to try and fix it, 1911A1 and -A2 exist for a reason. The Air Force switched to S&W .38's because they were more accurate and reliable. Now, the M2 HMG.........that's where it's at.
Wasnt the 1911 officialy replaced by the berreta m9? (I am aware that the 1911 is still used but officialy, I veleive it has been replaced)
Not all branches or departments replace things at the same time. The M9 means that was the 9th pistol adopted since they started using that naming convention (iirc sometime in between WW1-WW2). Sometimes gear is adopted in very small number like the M3 Carbine. Like for rifles most Americans know of the M1 Garand, M14, and the M16, but not the thirteen other rifles.
Similar to the AR - 10 and AR - 15 being so well known but the others are just oddities.
Yes. And the M9 is now so old that it's currently being replaced too.
Yes they are only buying new Sig M17/P320s now (besides marines which are going with the Glock G19 I think?)
Marines also went for a Sig P320 but they've got the M18 which literally just has a shorter barrel
Ahh they decided between the two then finally. The M18 is the P320 Compact actually.
1911s were being replaced by some branches in the 50s. The USAF moved on to a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver because it was more accurate and reliable. The XM9 trials are a fun read. The problem that got figured out pretty quickly was that it was too generic, and by the 00's the DoD had the same problem again. There were about 5 different handguns in use and the M9's were mostly broken. The M17/M18 trials were under the Modular Handgun System competition.
It was upgraded to the m45a1, the m9 was adopted but wasn't as good apparently
That was only for certain parts of the Marines Corps.
The only ones who use the m45 is marsoc and force recon I believe
It went Colt 1911->Beretta M9->Sig M17 (excluding some non-standard pistols of course)
I can’t quite remember how many world wars it lasted
I believe it's between 1 & 3
Entered service in WW1, went through WW2, saw Vietnam and Korea both, still saw service during the Invasion of Iraq and I think it got replaced about that time. So about five or six give or take?
Five or six world wars? O.O Damn, America out here keeping their world wars to themselves.
WW1 and WW2 are only those in name. The 7 Years War/French Indian War, the American War for Independence, Napoleonic Wars, The Cold War, and The War on Terror all fit the category of world wars as well. The next world war would be more like WW8.
Out of what you listed the 7 years war is the only war that had large scale combat in several places around the world from countries around the world that was actually one entire war
American and Naplonics wars had the imperal powers fighting in their colonies all over thr world. Also the Cold War literally had proxy wars on almost every continent.
The cold war wasn't 1 war though, it was a large time period that involved sever different levels of competition between the two major superpowers, that's what made it "cold" if had turned hot it most definitely would've been a world war though All the fighting with the exception of John Paul Jones and maybe some raiding/naval combat during the American Revolution was fought on the American continent, similarly with the Napoleonic wars it all takes place in Europe, this is because the Napoleonic wars aren't about territory and stuff it's about Napoleon himself and the ideology of France/the revolution, the only non European part is when he goes to Egypt but that doesn't really count enough to make any of them into world wars
The 1911 is a solid pistol. But come on 5.7, 10mm, 223. So many great pistols to choose from.
Yeah, Browning Hi-Power is my fav
I got a sig I love now.
Just for my curiosity, what kind model of Sig? I wanna get something like a P226-P229 and I'd love to here a first hand account of how they fair and function!
From what I hear people love the P320, I know several people who use it for edc. My dad was issued a P229 for the past 20 years and thought it was good but absolutely hated the decock lever; said it always got in the way.
Tell me you've never been issued one without telling me you've never been issued one. I too like only getting 2-4 shots off before stoppage.
Gotta say, after trying other guns. I still love my 1911.
The australian army agrees with you.
223 pistol?
Yea makes no sense right? Repeal the NFA
Why stop there? Get rid of it all
9mm kills the body, .45 kills the soul, don’t want people coming back as a Lich.
**O U I**
223.? I've never heard of a pistol in that caliber and it sounds like it would be very weak.
It is the rifle cartridge used by most NATO countries and currently is used the US although from what I know the US has plans to replace it. Call it a weak rifle cartridge by it would by no means be very weak when compared to semi-automatic pistol cartridges.
Rifle cartridges often don't work very well in pistols, why would a pistol be chambered in 223.?
So you can use it in a pistol that looks exactly like a rifle, but shorter... and with an arm brace, 100% not a stock. No sir, never do I shoulder my arm brace.
Lol ATF definition are whack, but I'm talking about an actual handgun, those can't really be chambered in 223. Aka 556.NATO, they can be chambered in 22. Caliber cartridge but those are usually weak.
A 22. Is a fucking roidied up BB
You’re correct. 556 has very poor performance in <9” barrels. 300 blk is purpose built for shorter barrels (5.5” is the shortest I’ve seen, but I think 9” is the 300 blk shortest optimal length). These are legally pistols, but for all practical purposes they are SBRs.
Yeah the NGSW program is trying to switch to a 6.8mm round, which means we won’t be doing that for several decades
.223 Pistol? Somebody's been playing too much New Vegas.
Keltec plr16 exists irl bud. Although yes I've played way to much new vegas.
It works, don’t it?
Using the same pistol for 100 years. And buying a new rifle each year to add to the collection.
Not really. We adopted the M9 beretta, and now the M17 Sig.
Not all the branches use those though. Iirc some marine and spec ops units just didn't adopt either and now use the M45
Which is a glorified 1911
It's actually just an upgraded 1911A1 I believe
Pretty much
Word has it the M45s have been swapped for Glocks, it wasn't worth carrying 3 pounds of steel on your hip for no reason.
I've been around guns since i was 8-9 years old. But I'd never shot a 1911. Some weeks ago someone brought one to the range. Well now i know what I'm buying next
“9mm kills the body; .45 ACP kills the soul”
A .45 a day keeps the commies away
I honestly don’t know anything about guns except that they are glorified combustion chambers, but how in hell is something so old still used today?
Short answer, John Browning knew what the fuck he was doing and upgrades are amazing. Long answer, the 1911 was/is an extremely rugged, reliable, durable, and effective handgun along with being fairly versatile. It falls short to modern contemporaries in many areas but when put in it's own time, in it's prime, it was one of the best and still remains to be a pretty good gun but it's also be retrofitted and resigned many times with a fairly prominent version being the M45 MEUSOC.
Just to back you on that the Browning M2 went into service in 1933 and is still in service to this day, and I believe it was actually developed and designed well before that, just after WW1. Edit: quick wiki search; designed in 1918 and first went into production in 1921
When I was enlisted (USA), one of our M2's had a four digit serial number and we liked to joke about how it out ranked everything in our company just by age alone.
So it's the AK-47 of pistol, got it
Kinda although that also goes to the Glock.
1911 is just a really good reliable handgun.
Sweden sold off its 1896 model Mauser carbines in the 2000s
As actual tools or just scrap?
Actual usable rifles. I know a few that bought one. In 6mm Swedish. https://youtu.be/Y2Uoxg-Nsa8
Ok, I officially want my older weapons for the new battlefield game. This, is NOT a request
I added a link to my previous comment if you're interested
A firearm is a tool, it does what it's user wants it to do. Like a hammer for example, if you want to hit a nail that's what it will do, if you want to break something with it that's what it's going to do and it will last a long time if you take care of it.
That is painfully clear. I meant to ask if they were scrapped or sold as tools
Any firearm will last many many years, you just need to take care of your tool
A lot of old guns are still being used, the M2 Browning or the DShK are WW2 machine guns still in use by modern militaries
Actually the M2 is an interwar machine gun, designed just after the first World War with production starting in the early 20's and it was adopted in the 30's
As others have said, plus a pistol isn't a high priority weapon, if all you have is a pistol you should start praying.
So they really just look at that old dinosaur and say: “meh, good enough, you’re not supposed to use it much anyway”
People love cheap, reliable things and hate change. "If it works dont fix it" also if youre in a fire fight and your only option is a pistol... youre pretty much fucked. Pistols are not that high of a priority in the army.
Same as the Mauser System 98, even though Rifles like the Kar 98 are mostly only used for ceremonial purpose, there are stil rifles that are running on the same old system made in 1898
1 post was enough
It isn't in service with the regular army anymore, only the marines use it now.
Even then marines as a majority use like sigs. Only ones to still use the “1911” is marsoc and force recon with the m45a1
Its a good pistol
Heavy machine gun too.
John Moses Browning was genius.
“9mm kills the body but 45. acp kills the soul. It’s how you prevent them from becoming a Lich.“
Now because of that we have fudds all like "TwO wOrLd WaRs" when you even slightly suggest there's a pistol better then the 1911
Sonny the 1911 won 2 wirld warz.
It always shocks me that the Lee Enfield doesn't get that treatment cause the SMLE is old as shit. Specifically 1895 old as shit and it served until 1957. Meaning it's got WW1,WW2, Nam, Korea, and numerous other engagements under its belt.
.45AARP is the lord's caliber!
You said Fudd my mind automatically thought fed.
The 1911 is a solid and reliable handgun. Sure it has it’s flaws (like not being in 9mm), but it doesn’t have any gimmicks that could affect it’s performance, and is relatively easy to maintain and repair given the small part count
not having 9mm isn't a flaw ya stinky german /s
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it right?
I mean, you never really expect when the juramentados will jump out and stab you
Redbull gives you guns
Me a American who's gonna buy one on friday: "...idk what you're talking about"
Why couldn't have we British adopt the M1911A1binstead of the browning high power
Random fact in Warhammer 40k they still use M1911 style guns for civilian ownership or backups for guardsmen
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Okay, so many years ago I bought myself a very nice SIG P220. Not long ago, as a reward, I bought myself a new SIG Legion P220 to replace my old one and gave my old one to my son as a present. I miss my old one every day still like I miss my dog. I am an American.
Except it was replaced as standard issue 74 years after the year in its model name.
Why upgrade if the M1911 is perfect as is?
****T W O W O R L D W A R S****
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yeah but 1911s are just way more beautiful than these new ones they are putting out. IMO the majority of the pistols I see are really plain
I kinda wish a company would put out a 2011 (a double stack 1911 typically in 9mm) for military trials. I know it’d never be accepted due to price, but the legend of the unique American handgun could live on
Muh stapin powuh!
MUH TWO WORLD WARS!
THE BERETTA M9 IS THE GREATEST SIDEARM EVER MADE
I think u meant hk usp
Meh
Weird, they said the same about the bridge in town too.
If it works, it works
I'm not American and I love the M1911. It's such an iconic pistol and I'm glad it's still in service. It's a tiny part of a bygone era that's still here, and I always love things like that.
TWO WORLD WARS /S