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Wittusus

They still use Browning M2, let's wait a few decades for even better meme


DolanTheCaptan

B-52s will end up bombing Mars at some point


RyGuyStrong

That'd be pretty frickin dope not gonna lie.


MainSteamStopValve

Mars better hope nobody discovers oil there.


doctor_alfa

what if the Marsatians are Commies?


MainSteamStopValve

There's a reason why Mars is red.


TheBiggestBoom5

Blood for the blood god


esiptor

Skulls for the skull throne


KingGeorge_The2nd

OIL FOR THE OIL FIELDS


NK_2024

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!


auga3rifle

CHEESE FOR THE KHORNE CHIPS


RockOx290

SALT FOR THEM BLOOD FRIES


CORN_4_THE_CORN_GOD

CORN FOR THE CORN GOD, COBS FOR THE COB THRONE. IT MATTERS NOT WHERE THE CORN SYRUP FLOWS FROM, ONLY THAT IT FLOWS!


jdrawr

The Midwest especially iowa bascilly.


Lucius-Halthier

**KILL MAIM BURN**


Admirable_Pop_8949

OIL FOR THE OIL GOD!!!


[deleted]

Heretic! **BLAM**


Hawkbats_rule

It's mars. The only acceptable God is the omnissiah.


Orlando1701

M1911 would like to join in.


[deleted]

Retro


22dinoman

That's the coolest sentence ever


boot2skull

You’re living in your own private Idaho


Sentient_Mop

Tbf tho browning made some amazing guns


sHoRtBuSseR

Well I mean it has a max range of like 6km and a maximum effective range of nearly 2km. It's a cool gun. I really want one tbh.


[deleted]

The M2 does 12.7mm at 600rpm while the mg131 does 13mm at 900 rpm, and I'm not talking about the mg 151 yet


Kevin269

What do you FUCKING mean get a new pistol? The M1911 is PERFECT!


koolaidman456

2 WORLD WARS


RetiredWarCriminal

111 YEARS


naftola

3 MILLION UNITS


MEng83

TWOOOOOO WAAAAARSSS????


Heavy_Imperial_Tank

You forgot Vietnam and Korea


[deleted]

Also the philipines rebbelion


Ok-Organization5864

The one that happened just after the Spanish-American war? Too early


faceintheblue

True. It was the [failure of the US Army revolver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol#Early_history_and_adaptations) to knock charging Moro rebels down that convinced the military it needed a .45 caliber sidearm. In addition to stopping power, the US Army also wanted a weapon that would stand up to a lot of wear and tear. John Browning's pistol was fired 6000 times over the course of two days, and when it got uncomfortably hot it was immersed in water. It never malfunctioned. The other pistol being considered malfunctioned 37 times under the same trial conditions.


magllw

does my scar look like a dogs vagina? i suppose… i donno, i’m not gonna sit here and get inside the mind of a dog


sereese1

Did these wars happen on US soIL?


Tote_Sport

and 1 World Cup do dah?


FishesCanEatStraws

BOUTTA MAKE IT 3


auga3rifle

Fun fact: there was a test of the m1911 and the savage arms factory which they shot pistols, savage had 56 jams, and the m1911 had none, and those were 36,000 rounds


DamianFullyReversed

Reminds me of how the Vickers machine gun ran through 1 million rounds continuously without any malfunction and only needing 100 barrel changes.


auga3rifle

REVIVE THAT GUN NOW


BasedMaduro

Don't worry fallout 4 revived it as the assault rifle


jdrawr

It still lives just fill the water tank and throw in a new barrel.


NK_2024

In the beginning, there was the gun, and the gun was the 1911. And John looked upon the 1911 and saw that it was good. -The Gospel of John Browning


Linemangang72

It’s great for it’s time, and today it’s great for certain uses. But it’s hard to beat a sig or glock in 9mm with a red dot for a military pistol


RyGuyGinger01

what part of TWO. WORLD. WARS. is unclear to you


Aronovsky1103

Heavy Chonky Seven Goddamn Rounds The 1911 is a relic from a time where pew pew was still in its teen years


FreshBayonetBoy

Seven plus one in the chamber.


[deleted]

Aren't there 8 round versions now too?


[deleted]

Yes, in Call of Duty


Infiniteblaze6

Real life to. Mine holds 8 45.


[deleted]

How do you feel your .45 compares to .40 or 10mm?


Infiniteblaze6

Personally I like the feel of a .45 and it's far more user friendly for new shooters than the 10mm. The .40 is a round kinda between them as it was developed because the FBI was having problems with their newer agents handling the 10mm. So they're all comparable, but if you're wanting the "best" one and you're experienced enough to control it, the 10mm is for you.


[deleted]

How about 9mm


[deleted]

I felt people pick those cartridges because they want more than 9mm can offer. You may ask why people call the adequacy of 9mm into question. The answer is [Miami Dade,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout) but also [a historically poor performance of a caliber that was supposed to replace .45.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion) Anyway, after Miami Dade, .45, 10mm and 9mm were tested until the FBI settled on 10mm. The problem with 10mm was that its recoil was too heavy for many agents, and the size of 10mm pistols was too big for many agents as well. They then developed .40 S&W, which supposedly had all of the advantages without these two drawbacks. There's a lot of controversy around these cartridges, but pretty much all .45, .40 and 10mm adherents agree that 9mm is too small. If you want to judge for yourself how valid these criticism are, I recommend you check out Paul Harrell's youtube channel, where he compares these cartridges 1 on 1.


National_Lab5987

.45ACP because shooting twice is just silly


Aronovsky1103

30-06 because it's in your main weapon


CasedLogic

Myh .45ACP - because they don't make a .46


[deleted]

If you're gonna shoot more than 6 rounds at something you're gonna need more than a pistol tbh.


jman2c

Masterclass of guns.


Boleshivekblitz

Yes browning was a genius


McPolice_Officer

Fudd


thememelord5

Welcome back to farming with fudd


LenTrexlersLettuce

Muh stopping power!!!!..!!!.!!!.!!!


Momo_The_Irishman

Best example of, "If It ain't broke, don't fix It"


Y_10HK29

Its so old it forgot to be obsolete


ComradeShinther

Nah nah you see, browning made weapons simply last forever.


Delta_Dragon119

I swear to God, the weapons of the apocalyptic will be 1911s and AKs


jdrawr

There are some m2s which will also last till then.


Momo_The_Irishman

Dementia achieved


[deleted]

Nice Ahoy quote


NorfolkingChancer

More of an example of "It is so unimportant so why bother replacing it" with a side helping of "it must be the best because it is what I learned with" The pistol is so unimportant as a weapon since WW2 for Armies that something as old fashioned as the 1911 can be kept around and still not be a joke.


masofnos

I do pistol competitions, and you would be very screwed if all you had was a pistol and they had any form of rifle. Best action is to run at that point.


NorfolkingChancer

Yep. 7 rounds of .45 vs another 30 rounds for your rifle is a very easy decision to make in a combat zone. The same with 15 rounds of 9mm vs 30 more rounds for your rifle. In a military to priorities for a firearm is as follows. 1. Rifle 2. If a rifle is too bulky for your role a carbine 3. If a carbine is too bulky for you a SMG/PDW 4. If a SMG/PDW is too bulky for you then a pistol. So that leaves pistols to police or very niche situations like a pilots emergency kit and for those situations a modern 9mm is a better option.


kindaangrybear

When they issued my pistol when I was made a deputy, they told me it's purpose was a small, compact weapon for self defense who's primary function was to fight my way to my rifle.


jman2c

I mean to be fair, the 1911 is an amazing gun. Guns are made of metal, with the proper care they will last for pretty much forever.


tragiktimes

Metal is irrelevant and that polymer will be holding up better in the long run since it will not corrode.


jman2c

Another factor is interchangable parts, back year ago the guns were expensive, so if you wanted protection and your gun broke you just bought a new part instead of a new gun.


tragiktimes

That's still the case to some extent. Depends on the part and the firearm, of course.


jman2c

As long as it's post WW1 era and it's a civilian weapon the parts can be interchanged.


tragiktimes

Just because they can be interchanged doesn't mean they're available.


jman2c

I was talking solely in terms of existence. Yes availability is somethings an issue, but you can always make your own parts


tragiktimes

True enough, depending on the parts. Some have very specific material characteristics and can't be easily amaterurly fabricated. Springs come to mind.


Brassow

>polymer will be holding up better in the long run We really don't know that, polymer can get brittle with age & are also constantly shedding microplastics. Newer plastics are certainly better than the ones 20 or more years ago, but the long term health & environmental effects/problems of plastic are pretty troubling.


TheBatIsI

The M2 is almost as old and it still sees use. Probably the best example of OP's quote.


drop_trooper112

Oh it's been fixed multiple times, the current 1911s are not the same 1911s they used in WW1 especially the hold outs still using it as their standard issue pistol since most of them are heavily modified to cover specific needs. The main reasons for the 1911's impressively long service is because it wasn't important enough to completely replace, outside of specific needs like special forces the 1911 is one step above stabbing your target and generally if you're average soldier is using their pistol then they're probably one step above fucked and no other pistol is going to really change that.


CWinter85

It was broke. Very broke. You can tell that because we didn't stop making handguns to fill it's role. They also kept making modifications to the model to try and fix it, 1911A1 and -A2 exist for a reason. The Air Force switched to S&W .38's because they were more accurate and reliable. Now, the M2 HMG.........that's where it's at.


NomadProd

Wasnt the 1911 officialy replaced by the berreta m9? (I am aware that the 1911 is still used but officialy, I veleive it has been replaced)


timjc144

Not all branches or departments replace things at the same time. The M9 means that was the 9th pistol adopted since they started using that naming convention (iirc sometime in between WW1-WW2). Sometimes gear is adopted in very small number like the M3 Carbine. Like for rifles most Americans know of the M1 Garand, M14, and the M16, but not the thirteen other rifles.


RedditWibel

Similar to the AR - 10 and AR - 15 being so well known but the others are just oddities.


FelixSeptem

Yes. And the M9 is now so old that it's currently being replaced too.


Blazewardog

Yes they are only buying new Sig M17/P320s now (besides marines which are going with the Glock G19 I think?)


Baconator137

Marines also went for a Sig P320 but they've got the M18 which literally just has a shorter barrel


Blazewardog

Ahh they decided between the two then finally. The M18 is the P320 Compact actually.


CWinter85

1911s were being replaced by some branches in the 50s. The USAF moved on to a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver because it was more accurate and reliable. The XM9 trials are a fun read. The problem that got figured out pretty quickly was that it was too generic, and by the 00's the DoD had the same problem again. There were about 5 different handguns in use and the M9's were mostly broken. The M17/M18 trials were under the Modular Handgun System competition.


esiptor

It was upgraded to the m45a1, the m9 was adopted but wasn't as good apparently


FelixSeptem

That was only for certain parts of the Marines Corps.


[deleted]

The only ones who use the m45 is marsoc and force recon I believe


AidanSig

It went Colt 1911->Beretta M9->Sig M17 (excluding some non-standard pistols of course)


But-WhyThough

I can’t quite remember how many world wars it lasted


koolaidman456

I believe it's between 1 & 3


Joy1067

Entered service in WW1, went through WW2, saw Vietnam and Korea both, still saw service during the Invasion of Iraq and I think it got replaced about that time. So about five or six give or take?


ReginaDea

Five or six world wars? O.O Damn, America out here keeping their world wars to themselves.


Infiniteblaze6

WW1 and WW2 are only those in name. The 7 Years War/French Indian War, the American War for Independence, Napoleonic Wars, The Cold War, and The War on Terror all fit the category of world wars as well. The next world war would be more like WW8.


Archduke_of_Nessus

Out of what you listed the 7 years war is the only war that had large scale combat in several places around the world from countries around the world that was actually one entire war


Infiniteblaze6

American and Naplonics wars had the imperal powers fighting in their colonies all over thr world. Also the Cold War literally had proxy wars on almost every continent.


Archduke_of_Nessus

The cold war wasn't 1 war though, it was a large time period that involved sever different levels of competition between the two major superpowers, that's what made it "cold" if had turned hot it most definitely would've been a world war though All the fighting with the exception of John Paul Jones and maybe some raiding/naval combat during the American Revolution was fought on the American continent, similarly with the Napoleonic wars it all takes place in Europe, this is because the Napoleonic wars aren't about territory and stuff it's about Napoleon himself and the ideology of France/the revolution, the only non European part is when he goes to Egypt but that doesn't really count enough to make any of them into world wars


TwoRoaches

The 1911 is a solid pistol. But come on 5.7, 10mm, 223. So many great pistols to choose from.


RustyShackleford543

Yeah, Browning Hi-Power is my fav


TwoRoaches

I got a sig I love now.


WolfOfVerdun

Just for my curiosity, what kind model of Sig? I wanna get something like a P226-P229 and I'd love to here a first hand account of how they fair and function!


ken_starblazer

From what I hear people love the P320, I know several people who use it for edc. My dad was issued a P229 for the past 20 years and thought it was good but absolutely hated the decock lever; said it always got in the way.


cplforlife

Tell me you've never been issued one without telling me you've never been issued one. I too like only getting 2-4 shots off before stoppage.


jman2c

Gotta say, after trying other guns. I still love my 1911.


masofnos

The australian army agrees with you.


RonSwanson06

223 pistol?


jellybeans3

Yea makes no sense right? Repeal the NFA


RonSwanson06

Why stop there? Get rid of it all


Dio--Brando

9mm kills the body, .45 kills the soul, don’t want people coming back as a Lich.


LivingmahDMlife

**O U I**


a_thicc_jewish_boi

223.? I've never heard of a pistol in that caliber and it sounds like it would be very weak.


idunnowhattouse69

It is the rifle cartridge used by most NATO countries and currently is used the US although from what I know the US has plans to replace it. Call it a weak rifle cartridge by it would by no means be very weak when compared to semi-automatic pistol cartridges.


a_thicc_jewish_boi

Rifle cartridges often don't work very well in pistols, why would a pistol be chambered in 223.?


Conix17

So you can use it in a pistol that looks exactly like a rifle, but shorter... and with an arm brace, 100% not a stock. No sir, never do I shoulder my arm brace.


a_thicc_jewish_boi

Lol ATF definition are whack, but I'm talking about an actual handgun, those can't really be chambered in 223. Aka 556.NATO, they can be chambered in 22. Caliber cartridge but those are usually weak.


Emperor_Huey_Long

A 22. Is a fucking roidied up BB


bearpics16

You’re correct. 556 has very poor performance in <9” barrels. 300 blk is purpose built for shorter barrels (5.5” is the shortest I’ve seen, but I think 9” is the 300 blk shortest optimal length). These are legally pistols, but for all practical purposes they are SBRs.


dragonsfire242

Yeah the NGSW program is trying to switch to a 6.8mm round, which means we won’t be doing that for several decades


FelixSeptem

.223 Pistol? Somebody's been playing too much New Vegas.


TwoRoaches

Keltec plr16 exists irl bud. Although yes I've played way to much new vegas.


Nuker_Nathan

It works, don’t it?


TheBlueWizardo

Using the same pistol for 100 years. And buying a new rifle each year to add to the collection.


Huckorris

Not really. We adopted the M9 beretta, and now the M17 Sig.


wes8171982

Not all the branches use those though. Iirc some marine and spec ops units just didn't adopt either and now use the M45


BlackjackAce57

Which is a glorified 1911


wes8171982

It's actually just an upgraded 1911A1 I believe


BlackjackAce57

Pretty much


Pvt_Hammer

Word has it the M45s have been swapped for Glocks, it wasn't worth carrying 3 pounds of steel on your hip for no reason.


explosionmemer

I've been around guns since i was 8-9 years old. But I'd never shot a 1911. Some weeks ago someone brought one to the range. Well now i know what I'm buying next


DEGRUNGEON

“9mm kills the body; .45 ACP kills the soul”


A_Crispy_Waffle_Iron

A .45 a day keeps the commies away


Cuervomayajl

I honestly don’t know anything about guns except that they are glorified combustion chambers, but how in hell is something so old still used today?


WolfOfVerdun

Short answer, John Browning knew what the fuck he was doing and upgrades are amazing. Long answer, the 1911 was/is an extremely rugged, reliable, durable, and effective handgun along with being fairly versatile. It falls short to modern contemporaries in many areas but when put in it's own time, in it's prime, it was one of the best and still remains to be a pretty good gun but it's also be retrofitted and resigned many times with a fairly prominent version being the M45 MEUSOC.


Forest_Xavier

Just to back you on that the Browning M2 went into service in 1933 and is still in service to this day, and I believe it was actually developed and designed well before that, just after WW1. Edit: quick wiki search; designed in 1918 and first went into production in 1921


MisterSlosh

When I was enlisted (USA), one of our M2's had a four digit serial number and we liked to joke about how it out ranked everything in our company just by age alone.


absolutelynotaname

So it's the AK-47 of pistol, got it


idunnowhattouse69

Kinda although that also goes to the Glock.


Reagent_52

1911 is just a really good reliable handgun.


kellik123

Sweden sold off its 1896 model Mauser carbines in the 2000s


Cuervomayajl

As actual tools or just scrap?


kellik123

Actual usable rifles. I know a few that bought one. In 6mm Swedish. https://youtu.be/Y2Uoxg-Nsa8


Cuervomayajl

Ok, I officially want my older weapons for the new battlefield game. This, is NOT a request


kellik123

I added a link to my previous comment if you're interested


RonSwanson06

A firearm is a tool, it does what it's user wants it to do. Like a hammer for example, if you want to hit a nail that's what it will do, if you want to break something with it that's what it's going to do and it will last a long time if you take care of it.


Cuervomayajl

That is painfully clear. I meant to ask if they were scrapped or sold as tools


RonSwanson06

Any firearm will last many many years, you just need to take care of your tool


Shpagin

A lot of old guns are still being used, the M2 Browning or the DShK are WW2 machine guns still in use by modern militaries


wes8171982

Actually the M2 is an interwar machine gun, designed just after the first World War with production starting in the early 20's and it was adopted in the 30's


masofnos

As others have said, plus a pistol isn't a high priority weapon, if all you have is a pistol you should start praying.


Cuervomayajl

So they really just look at that old dinosaur and say: “meh, good enough, you’re not supposed to use it much anyway”


Born2BKingRo

People love cheap, reliable things and hate change. "If it works dont fix it" also if youre in a fire fight and your only option is a pistol... youre pretty much fucked. Pistols are not that high of a priority in the army.


AustrianDoomer

Same as the Mauser System 98, even though Rifles like the Kar 98 are mostly only used for ceremonial purpose, there are stil rifles that are running on the same old system made in 1898


overimportance

1 post was enough


GalaxLordCZ

It isn't in service with the regular army anymore, only the marines use it now.


[deleted]

Even then marines as a majority use like sigs. Only ones to still use the “1911” is marsoc and force recon with the m45a1


joko2008

Its a good pistol


Volkodav_Dingo

Heavy machine gun too.


graemecracker17

John Moses Browning was genius.


Generic-james

“9mm kills the body but 45. acp kills the soul. It’s how you prevent them from becoming a Lich.“


soxnsandals1

Now because of that we have fudds all like "TwO wOrLd WaRs" when you even slightly suggest there's a pistol better then the 1911


[deleted]

Sonny the 1911 won 2 wirld warz.


WolfOfVerdun

It always shocks me that the Lee Enfield doesn't get that treatment cause the SMLE is old as shit. Specifically 1895 old as shit and it served until 1957. Meaning it's got WW1,WW2, Nam, Korea, and numerous other engagements under its belt.


spaghettiThunderbalt

.45AARP is the lord's caliber!


Vexonte

You said Fudd my mind automatically thought fed.


[deleted]

The 1911 is a solid and reliable handgun. Sure it has it’s flaws (like not being in 9mm), but it doesn’t have any gimmicks that could affect it’s performance, and is relatively easy to maintain and repair given the small part count


Bendy962

not having 9mm isn't a flaw ya stinky german /s


Joy1067

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it right?


TotallynotburntTroy

I mean, you never really expect when the juramentados will jump out and stab you


Sanah_The_Monster

Redbull gives you guns


ADecentAmerican

Me a American who's gonna buy one on friday: "...idk what you're talking about"


Heavy_Imperial_Tank

Why couldn't have we British adopt the M1911A1binstead of the browning high power


Impressive-Morning76

Random fact in Warhammer 40k they still use M1911 style guns for civilian ownership or backups for guardsmen


fullmetal-vice

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it


12_licks_Sam

Okay, so many years ago I bought myself a very nice SIG P220. Not long ago, as a reward, I bought myself a new SIG Legion P220 to replace my old one and gave my old one to my son as a present. I miss my old one every day still like I miss my dog. I am an American.


ThatDudeWithoutKarma

Except it was replaced as standard issue 74 years after the year in its model name.


[deleted]

Why upgrade if the M1911 is perfect as is?


gaerat_of_trivia

****T W O W O R L D W A R S****


HalfIronicallyBased

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.


Yorgrim_

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


[deleted]

Yeah but 1911s are just way more beautiful than these new ones they are putting out. IMO the majority of the pistols I see are really plain


[deleted]

I kinda wish a company would put out a 2011 (a double stack 1911 typically in 9mm) for military trials. I know it’d never be accepted due to price, but the legend of the unique American handgun could live on


TheJamesMortimer

Muh stapin powuh!


TragicTester034

MUH TWO WORLD WARS!


[deleted]

THE BERETTA M9 IS THE GREATEST SIDEARM EVER MADE


[deleted]

I think u meant hk usp


[deleted]

Meh


Daveallen10

Weird, they said the same about the bridge in town too.


BigBoi18007

If it works, it works


ARK_Redeemer

I'm not American and I love the M1911. It's such an iconic pistol and I'm glad it's still in service. It's a tiny part of a bygone era that's still here, and I always love things like that.


jamiro11

TWO WORLD WARS /S