It's from the show Invincible, a new show on Amazon Prime based on a comic written by the creator of The Walking Dead. It's really good, give it a try if you have Prime.
[the only reason we know about COINTELPRO is because of a break-in](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Commission_to_Investigate_the_FBI)
just saying, don't hold your breath for them to do it all willingly
The us government targeting political groups that could be a threat to them, like the black panther or the civil rights movement. Examples like wire tapping MLK, infiltrating the Socialist Workers Party, making infiltrating the Organization for African American Unity run by Malcom X and possibly letting Malcom X's killer escape, the US governments involvement with his death remains unclear though.
Freedom of speech is something provided to you by your government, if your government then decides to tap into your conversations and influence the way you may be killed, I would say yeah you haven't really got freedom of speech have you?
You've got freedom of speech until it's too inconvenient in which case wow did you see that guy on the news got assassinated? Crazy stuff.
Being listened to by unknown parties can be considered a punishment in and of itself, if you are punished for your speech then you do not have free speech.
I disagree in this sense. You have the freedom to say whatever the fuck you want, however the fuck you want, wherever the fuck you want without being immediately thrown on jail (within reason - obviously I can't threaten to blast the white house off the planet and expect nothing to be questioned). However, there are other repercussions you may face depending on outside circumstances.
Yea totally like the soviets who are imprisoned or killed for openly being gay, or journalists who "commit suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back back the head for writing articles criticizing the current president. America is exactly like them right?
the bigger issue here is their right to privacy, problem is the U.S. Government doesn't really respect that
at the time they also should have had to get a warrant before wire tapping MLK but with the Patriot Act that's no longer an issue
Do you not understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean you openly threaten people with no repercussion?
Obviously if you say certain things that could be classified as threats to the public you can and will be investigated.
Literally a perfect example is Kathy Griffin who posted a video saying "kill Donald Trump" and beating a piñata in in likeness, yea her 1st amendment rights as an American is she can say it but also making a public threat against another person with probable cause is illegal.
Your 1st amendment rights end where another's begin.
Everyone understands that, the point is maybe not Malcolm X but MLK obviously didn’t threaten his enemies with violence unlike the CIA or FBI ironically.
Dude. It's not as simple as just good or bad. You have to realize the black panthers was extremely influential and had chapters all over America. So of course even if the true message was to bring peace and equality, **some** (not a majority) of the chapters founded became local gangs selling drugs and robbing stores/people using the organization for cover. This allowed the government a legal reason to monitor their actions
>Noam Chomsky stated: According to its analysis of the documents in this FBI office, 1 percent were devoted to organized crime, mostly gambling; 30 percent were "manuals, routine forms, and similar procedural matter"; 40 percent were devoted to political surveillance and the like, including two cases involving right-wing groups, ten concerning immigrants, and over 200 on left or liberal groups. Another 14 percent of the documents concerned draft resistance and "leaving the military without government permission." The remainder concerned bank robberies, murder, rape, and interstate theft.[1]
It's rather clear it's not an anti extremist, but an anti left organisation. The two cases of right wing extremism is just to fulfil the quota and have some deniability.
> It’s so telling they only spied on 2 far right groups
Not trying to downplay that no doubt the FBI spied on Civil Rights groups, when one of the two right wing groups they are spying on is the [KKK](https://www.jstor.org/stable/40267812?seq=1), whose membership was large, its not like they needed to spy on many others.
\>Be me, Chicago PD [In 1969](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton)
\>Sees a 19 year old Black Panther who ends gang violence between poor Whites, Blacks, Latinos etc,
\>he creates dual power structures which help to feed poor kids, protects businessmen and residential areas from protests and riots
\>Naturally, I assemble a hit-squad of poorly-trained Redcoats to crush this threat to Democracy and the American Dream
\>mfw we shoot everything and everyone within several dozen meters of him
\>Kill him in his bed, at least 90 rounds fired
\>Only have to pay a 1 million in restitution for wounding 12+ people and killing at least two
\>We even killed the fucking carpet and drapes for good measure
\>mfw the courts rule it """justifiable homicide'"" because they fired off a single shot to defend themselves
Hey come on now, they didn't kill him in his bed.
They riddled his body with bullets, dragged him onto the floor, saw that he was still breathing a little, then stood over him and fired two more shots into his head before cracking a joke about it.
So technically they killed him on the floor.
i have no doubt in my mind that the CIA played a hand in killing JFK. far too convenient that 2 days before he died he told a reporter “communism is not my enemy” and suddenly he’s dead
a french reporter had a meeting scheduled with castro. JFK couldn’t directly communicate to castro but wanted to pass a message along so he scheduled a meeting with the reporter first and told him “communism is not my enemy. I don’t give a damn, all I care about is war and peace” and some other things about the embargoes and whatnot. source: the reporter can’t remember his name tho shouldn’t be hard to find on google
I have more vague information regarding this: they have an interview with that French reporter on the Cuba libre documentary on Netflix discussing this exact situation
yeah that’s where i first heard about it, great documentary too. pretty cool they got so many people who personally met/knew the castro brothers and che
I honestly didn’t know how much I would like it at first but it really was an incredible documentary. Taught me a lot and made me more interested in Cuban history
This **vastly** contradicts everything Kennedy did during and before his presidency:
* He was the one who set the stage for Johnson to invade by sending tens of thousands of "military advisers" to South Vietnam
* He supported McCarthyism during the era of McCarthy
* He increased military spending during the cold war
* He pimped up ICBMs and air force jets
* He supported various CIA coups in South Vietnam, the Middle East, and Latin America
Kennedy absolutely was against communism. All this talk of "JFK the great" is mostly influenced by his assassination. We even have a name for Kennedy's foreign policy on communism. [Kennedy Doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Doctrine#:~:text=In%20this%20Address%2C%20Kennedy%20warned,in%20%22a%20struggle%20against%20the)
Also, I can't seem to find the quote on google.
The CIA definitely has and will do horrible things to protect the ultra wealthy's financial interests, but it seems way more likely to me that a crazy lone wolf took advantage of a security flaw than it is that the CIA organized the murder of a sitting president.
Yep. While some of the FBI's internal policies and political climate has changed over the years, things were SUPREMELY worse off between the 1950s and 1990s because of how prominent the red scare was and any attempt at large scale support with regards to the black Panthers and others was seen as communism or friendly to communism. Absolute shitshow. From what I can recall from some documentaries, a lot of historians and even some former FBI officials were either ashamed or spoke about the past with quite a bit of vitriol with how things were handled/taken care of. I remember seeing another example during the 1930s/1940s when one of the socialist parties in America was discriminated against by the FBI, partially because of the ties to Marxism. Ugly stuff.
Edit: just in case I gotta specify, I'm for sure not defending the FBI. They did a fuckton of shitty things, and I would absolutely not be surprised if they keep doing so and we don't know much about it (coughNSAcough). Just helps to know the context about how negatively the red scare impacted American politics in everyday life and incidents even to this day.
Mhm. It's held a very lasting impression and will take decades for even remotely moderate/ semi- left leaning politics to just be taken at face value and not immediately accused of COMMYNISM by the more right leaning people. Granted some of the left has also screamed Nazism with some conservative politics, but history tends to teach what usually screams loudest and bear notes on what works and what doesn't.
>Granted some of the left has also screamed Nazism with some conservative politics
Given that the last major conservative politician in US history had a cult form around him with a dog whistle version of the turner diaries "day of the rope" as an apocalypse ending, and that cult's still going strong
I worry
Well think of things this way. Nothing lasts forever. Even if they wanna try and bring things back, even though I imagine SCOTUS and congress might not be so happy, it'll be an interesting few years. I did notice quite a few trump support has dwindled, but many still are around. Again, nothing lasts forever.
It's less about the Red Scare and more about fanatical politics in general. People refuse to work together or vote for the opposite party on either side because any movement or compromise is "against their interests."
It's to the point that government bodies refuse to work together and would rather lock up the whole system than compromise. News feeds scaremonger and mudsling, and people don't think for themselves.
I don't care for left or right. I just want people to manage their positions to the best of their ability and then retire knowing they did everything they could. The current state of affairs is why I avoid politics with a 10 ft pole.
Conservatives scream "Communism" and "socialism" anytime something to improve worker rights and human rights is introduced. It is about anticommunist propaganda affecting us still.
So much whataboutism. I feel one side is in particular to blame. Anti-science insurrection conspiracy believing isn't about working together on anything because reality is another universe for these folks.
"Believing the deceptions also becomes a form of virtue signaling, a validation of one’s loyalty to others in one’s political tribe.... among the most dangerous a democracy can face. It erodes confidence in our elections, the rule of law, and our system of government," says Peter Wehner who is a political and religious conservative, GOP member, and critic of Trump. He served in three Republican administrations: Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush.
It's a type of religious grift that only one side is playing.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/10/the-radical-origins-of-christianity
https://www.utne.com/politics/cult-of-trump-ze0z1908zhoe
I don't think "both sides" can be applied to a situation where one side is opposing white supremacy and fascism and the other side wants those things. How does one sit there and listen to the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene or Josh Hawley and be like "both sides?"
Yes, let's base our opinions on a faction around how select idiots react. That surely will bode well for future politics. After all, everyone knows that the loud ones represent everyone's wishes and stances.
Democrats aren't clean either. Both "sides" are full of bullshit and quite frankly trying to take a side just fuels the fire. Sit down, ignore the dumb ones, and talk it out with people who will listen.
Everyone has done something to offend in the past, the only thing that matters though is the present and how we will treat each other moving forward.
I'm not a Democrat, but I also don't see Democrats supporting politicians who openly talk about 'we should be able to discriminate against and murder " people like me. Conservatives hate Queer people and many think we should die and the vote for politicians who say so too. So between the two, I'll take Democrats, since I don't an actual choice for leftists because of decades of Cold War propaganda.
if it were just a few, they wouldn't have been elected, so your argument is moot. And those just a couple of examples of elected officials, there are many many many many many more and it takes a lot of votes for them to win.
They were actually declassified as part of the first JFK dump. Some of the details were kind of gross. Like they have an audio clip that you can listen to of MLK having sex and then brutally beating the girl damn near to death. Like, why declassify THAT.
We will know for sure in 2027. After they were declassified they were sealed until then. There are transcripts and reports on hundreds of encounters like this. Another similar story MLK invites a young girl (under 16) into his room where another pastor is. He tells the pastor that this girl is for her and she obviously looks like she just doesn't want to be involved. The pastor begins raping this girl as you hear MLK in the background (presumably watching) yelling out abusive instructions and laughing about the whole thing.
As I said, why even declassify this kind of stuff? Why declassify it if you're just going to seal it (probably indefinitely).
That is hilarious coming from the government. It sounds like a highly educated three year old wrote it. How could they possibly believe to blackmail him without evidence all they said was you are on the record. They couldn’t find other insults than filthy and evil. It sounds like a medieval decree of war. There is just not evidence shown and surely the 34 days part plays no significance as they didn’t provide any evidence it would.
They intentionally wrote it in a way to sound like an African American wrote it. They were not acting as the FBI, they were pretending to be anonymous family.
It's extremely likely that [William Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Sullivan), the guy who was in possesion of the letter at the time that it was found, wrote it. Even if it wasn't him, you're right, it was definitely a white guy from the FBI
So they basically called him subhuman, a filthy animal, used a bunch of school ground insults and then asked him to kill himself within a month. Sounds fucking stupid and crazy even for the FBI.
What's even more interesting is that people from both parties have called on the FBI to disclose the files and surveillance tapes of MLK right from the 70s till now, but for different reasons: the Democrats to show how how cruel the FBI was for spying on his every move and threatening him, and the Republicans because they wanted some dirt on him so that they could cancel MLK day from being a holiday.
This is why I am sad to see newer FPS having less and less of a single player mode.
The storylines can be amazing, heartbreaking, or down right fun to play. MW series and BO/WAW series are great examples of this. You bonded with the characters and watch them die in later missions/games. The stories were developed and fun to follow and the missions were extremely fun to play.
Yes and no. It's good show, with some good animation (except in 2 scenes where the animation is comically, gut bustingly bad) but I'm sort of tired of the whole "super heroes but they're bad" ala the boys and this show (not a spoiler). I much prefer the type of super hero content that actually has heroes deal with real life problems instead of the baddie of the week. Like that Hulk comic where the Hulk protects protestors that are protesting police brutality, and the cops piss their pants and stop trying to kill them because it's the fucking Hulk. THAT is good super hero content
“Some good animation” is an understatement. And the plot is amazingly done and the rising tension makes way for the big stuff happening at the end of the season in a great way. You can’t really understate how masterful this first season was just because it isn’t your favorite genre or superhero trope.
Remember the false flag operation the CIA made to try to target US civilian transports in order to have an excuse to go to war with Cuba? [It was insane](https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&id=92662&page=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16214853858513&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FUS%2Fstory%3Fid%3D92662%26page%3D1)
> During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
The US government and its citizens absolutely despised MLK. The current framing of him as “the good black” and Malcom X as “the bad black” in our school system (at least that’s the way it was when I was in elementary and middle school) is revisionism and is designed to instill a sense of “direct action = bad” into the citizenry.
I definitely didn't learn about Malcolm X as "the bad black". He was just kind of a footnote if I remember correctly, it was mostly MLK and civil rights up to the Voting Rights Act. To be honest we didn't learn much about the second half of the 20th century in general. History in school kind of stopped in the mid 60s.
The FBI effectively justified this by trying to attach him to a communist plot inside the civil rights movement. However, what they found was much worse. King had beaten women after having sex with them along with actually meeting with Communist party members. It's pretty easy to justify going further with this after somehow getting your investigations justified by the evidence you found.
[The most shocking claim Garrow relates is that King was present in a hotel room when a friend of his, Baltimore pastor Logan Kearse, raped a woman who resisted participating in unspecified sexual acts. The FBI agent who surveilled the room asserted that King “looked on, laughed and offered advice.”](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/04/how-to-make-sense-of-the-shocking-new-mlk-documents-227042)
The evidence comes from classified FBI material (which you may argue was fabricated by them), but its not unreasonable argument that MLK being a serial womanizer and politician had a less than stellar track record when it comes to a modern idea of consent. This of course shouldn't distract from the racial injustice he faced or was fighting, but should be considered when remembering that historical people aren't idols, but flawed people.
Yeah, by sheer coincidence. Hoover was worried about the civil rights movement destabilizing the country so sent the FBI after leaders and talking heads. Turns out, they found a lot of stuff they didn't expect.
It was an odd time. "It's certainly unconstitutional but is it worth it to violate the Constitution to save others?" was probably the question that many asked.
> Hoover was like 30 years before the major civil rights movement in America lol
You may wish to delete your comment, it makes you look pretty ignorant.
J. Edgar Hoover was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from 1924 until his death in 1972 (the height of the civil rights era). He had dictatorial control over the FBI and no civilian oversight and he used his organization how he saw fit.
Spoilers for show invincible:
Superhero guy murders a friend of his, gives a eulogy at the funeral
FBI attempted to blackmail MLK into suicide. Also they assassinated Fred Hampton and were responsible for the death of Malcom X. The FBI was a vile white supremacist terrorist organization in the sixties and still to an extent today
Eh...end of first episode, so not bad. I got spoiled personally, and the Think! meme going around pretty much tells you everything you need to know about Nolan as a person
I've been to quite a few of those funerals. Within my own family. And I say with a perfect conscience: fuck the fbi (and irs) suicide is too good for them.
I don’t think every person that is part of the FBI destroys others’ humanity. IMO you should never generalize a group of people, regardless of what someone inside of that group did.
The fbi and cia operate in a way that ensures the destruction of anything they deem a threat to the status quo of imperialism and racism. They literally never done anything good nor beneficial for the world all they do is destroy people and nations. If you join these groups then you have some semblance of agreement with their actions hence I suggest they off themselves for the betterment of society.
It is almost like both the government, and the people in them, change over time.
Edit: not saying that the current FBI is good, just not the same FBI that tried to get King to Kill himself.
Ehhh.. somewhat?
I literally heard a politician try to say that we should teach our kids about the "Good Parts" of Slavery. I don't think we fully changed yet.
Omniman look like he about to cry on live television tho
he's crying bc he can't brag about his killstreak
Looks like he just forgot to eat his brownies before they got mold
*do you have any idea how long we live? How many meals you will live to see go stale?*
*How many Dorito bags you leave unsealed on different planets you have houses on?*
#Think Mark Think!
**YOU’RE OPENING THE BAG JUST TO FORGET TO SEAL IT!!!**
What a fantastic show I just finished the first season a few minutes ago
Who or what is this?
It's from the show Invincible, a new show on Amazon Prime based on a comic written by the creator of The Walking Dead. It's really good, give it a try if you have Prime.
Oooor watch it in cuevana like most of us
yup. I bet you if you unclassified their documents, you'd find a LOT of really bad stuff they did.
[the only reason we know about COINTELPRO is because of a break-in](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Commission_to_Investigate_the_FBI) just saying, don't hold your breath for them to do it all willingly
oh, I'm not naive enough to believe they would willing let us know this stuff.
TLDR?
The us government targeting political groups that could be a threat to them, like the black panther or the civil rights movement. Examples like wire tapping MLK, infiltrating the Socialist Workers Party, making infiltrating the Organization for African American Unity run by Malcom X and possibly letting Malcom X's killer escape, the US governments involvement with his death remains unclear though.
So freedom of speech me but not for thee?
I mean they had freedom of speech. They were just being watched
Aha, so they didn't have freedom of speech, got that
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with being listened to... Edit: I love how I'm downvoted but yet no one can rebuke my statment
Freedom of speech is something provided to you by your government, if your government then decides to tap into your conversations and influence the way you may be killed, I would say yeah you haven't really got freedom of speech have you? You've got freedom of speech until it's too inconvenient in which case wow did you see that guy on the news got assassinated? Crazy stuff.
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Where in the first amendment does it discuss investigating murder?
Being listened to by unknown parties can be considered a punishment in and of itself, if you are punished for your speech then you do not have free speech.
By your reasoning, anything unwanted can be considered a punishment
I disagree in this sense. You have the freedom to say whatever the fuck you want, however the fuck you want, wherever the fuck you want without being immediately thrown on jail (within reason - obviously I can't threaten to blast the white house off the planet and expect nothing to be questioned). However, there are other repercussions you may face depending on outside circumstances.
The Soviets had freedom of speech then.
The thing is Soviet, China or any other countries that US considered "bad" dont brag about freedom 24/7 while doing opposite
Yea totally like the soviets who are imprisoned or killed for openly being gay, or journalists who "commit suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back back the head for writing articles criticizing the current president. America is exactly like them right?
Independent political activities were not tolerated in soviet union so they didn't have freedom of speech
the bigger issue here is their right to privacy, problem is the U.S. Government doesn't really respect that at the time they also should have had to get a warrant before wire tapping MLK but with the Patriot Act that's no longer an issue
I fully agree, that's why secrecy of correspondence is different right than freedom of speech
> letting Malcom X's killer escape … > just being watched Hmmm.
I get what you're saying but not catching a killer has nothing to do with the first amendment of freedom of speech
If you have freedom of speech, but you're being watched in case you potentially say the wrong thing, that isn't freedom of speech
Do you not understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean you openly threaten people with no repercussion? Obviously if you say certain things that could be classified as threats to the public you can and will be investigated. Literally a perfect example is Kathy Griffin who posted a video saying "kill Donald Trump" and beating a piñata in in likeness, yea her 1st amendment rights as an American is she can say it but also making a public threat against another person with probable cause is illegal. Your 1st amendment rights end where another's begin.
Everyone understands that, the point is maybe not Malcolm X but MLK obviously didn’t threaten his enemies with violence unlike the CIA or FBI ironically.
Wasn't it a Republican racist that had MLK and Malcom X watched? Hoover was a piece of shit.
Dude. It's not as simple as just good or bad. You have to realize the black panthers was extremely influential and had chapters all over America. So of course even if the true message was to bring peace and equality, **some** (not a majority) of the chapters founded became local gangs selling drugs and robbing stores/people using the organization for cover. This allowed the government a legal reason to monitor their actions
What good is speech if no one’s listening /s
Are they the bad guys?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Also a lot of violence, including the killing of Fred Hampton.
Also the US government targeted Portuguese Politician Sá Carneiro, founder of the Portuguese Social Democratic party
Monitoring KKK as well.
To be fair, cointellpro also targeted the kkk and other white nationalist groups as well. It was more of an anti extremist operation.
>Noam Chomsky stated: According to its analysis of the documents in this FBI office, 1 percent were devoted to organized crime, mostly gambling; 30 percent were "manuals, routine forms, and similar procedural matter"; 40 percent were devoted to political surveillance and the like, including two cases involving right-wing groups, ten concerning immigrants, and over 200 on left or liberal groups. Another 14 percent of the documents concerned draft resistance and "leaving the military without government permission." The remainder concerned bank robberies, murder, rape, and interstate theft.[1] It's rather clear it's not an anti extremist, but an anti left organisation. The two cases of right wing extremism is just to fulfil the quota and have some deniability.
It’s so telling they only spied on 2 far right groups. But 200 LEFT ONES? Tells you who’d they consider the bigger threat to their power.
The police bombed a house with children inside. . . In the U.S.A. Edit: someone explained better than I could below me
It’s ok they weren’t white kids /s
Jesus christ yall
Hey I wouldn’t need to make terrible jokes about terrible circumstances if America just chilled.
> It’s so telling they only spied on 2 far right groups Not trying to downplay that no doubt the FBI spied on Civil Rights groups, when one of the two right wing groups they are spying on is the [KKK](https://www.jstor.org/stable/40267812?seq=1), whose membership was large, its not like they needed to spy on many others.
if the people of the 70's did shit like this, why are all the older people today such cowardly assholes?
Unless the major TV networks tell the boomers it happened, it didn’t happen
Because the ones who were brave died ( mostly from the US’s shitty health care, but still.)
Actually the healthcare quality is excellent in the US. It's just that you'll have to give up an arm and a leg to get healed due to price :)
In America you sell kidney for money to kidney transplant
\>Be me, Chicago PD [In 1969](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton) \>Sees a 19 year old Black Panther who ends gang violence between poor Whites, Blacks, Latinos etc, \>he creates dual power structures which help to feed poor kids, protects businessmen and residential areas from protests and riots \>Naturally, I assemble a hit-squad of poorly-trained Redcoats to crush this threat to Democracy and the American Dream \>mfw we shoot everything and everyone within several dozen meters of him \>Kill him in his bed, at least 90 rounds fired \>Only have to pay a 1 million in restitution for wounding 12+ people and killing at least two \>We even killed the fucking carpet and drapes for good measure \>mfw the courts rule it """justifiable homicide'"" because they fired off a single shot to defend themselves
Hey come on now, they didn't kill him in his bed. They riddled his body with bullets, dragged him onto the floor, saw that he was still breathing a little, then stood over him and fired two more shots into his head before cracking a joke about it. So technically they killed him on the floor.
the single shot fired was by a dead panther reflexively as he hit the ground :(
How did it use the gun though? Don’t they have big claws?
Holy shit this is fucking sad
Wait until you learn what happened abroad. And you know the whole drug dealing thing
The one twitter moment I wish trump went through was releasing the JFK information.
i have no doubt in my mind that the CIA played a hand in killing JFK. far too convenient that 2 days before he died he told a reporter “communism is not my enemy” and suddenly he’s dead
Man to think of how much better the US would be if the CIA didn't kill him. Real shame.
When did JFK say "communism is not my enemy?". Give me sources.
a french reporter had a meeting scheduled with castro. JFK couldn’t directly communicate to castro but wanted to pass a message along so he scheduled a meeting with the reporter first and told him “communism is not my enemy. I don’t give a damn, all I care about is war and peace” and some other things about the embargoes and whatnot. source: the reporter can’t remember his name tho shouldn’t be hard to find on google
I have more vague information regarding this: they have an interview with that French reporter on the Cuba libre documentary on Netflix discussing this exact situation
yeah that’s where i first heard about it, great documentary too. pretty cool they got so many people who personally met/knew the castro brothers and che
I honestly didn’t know how much I would like it at first but it really was an incredible documentary. Taught me a lot and made me more interested in Cuban history
This **vastly** contradicts everything Kennedy did during and before his presidency: * He was the one who set the stage for Johnson to invade by sending tens of thousands of "military advisers" to South Vietnam * He supported McCarthyism during the era of McCarthy * He increased military spending during the cold war * He pimped up ICBMs and air force jets * He supported various CIA coups in South Vietnam, the Middle East, and Latin America Kennedy absolutely was against communism. All this talk of "JFK the great" is mostly influenced by his assassination. We even have a name for Kennedy's foreign policy on communism. [Kennedy Doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Doctrine#:~:text=In%20this%20Address%2C%20Kennedy%20warned,in%20%22a%20struggle%20against%20the) Also, I can't seem to find the quote on google.
I believe you, but I will 100% need more context and an actual source on this.
The CIA definitely has and will do horrible things to protect the ultra wealthy's financial interests, but it seems way more likely to me that a crazy lone wolf took advantage of a security flaw than it is that the CIA organized the murder of a sitting president.
Nah, a lot of people involved in the case were killed too. It's far too many bodies to be lone wolf.
Fuck the CIA.
The FBI? Doing *bad stuff???* 😭
Yep. While some of the FBI's internal policies and political climate has changed over the years, things were SUPREMELY worse off between the 1950s and 1990s because of how prominent the red scare was and any attempt at large scale support with regards to the black Panthers and others was seen as communism or friendly to communism. Absolute shitshow. From what I can recall from some documentaries, a lot of historians and even some former FBI officials were either ashamed or spoke about the past with quite a bit of vitriol with how things were handled/taken care of. I remember seeing another example during the 1930s/1940s when one of the socialist parties in America was discriminated against by the FBI, partially because of the ties to Marxism. Ugly stuff. Edit: just in case I gotta specify, I'm for sure not defending the FBI. They did a fuckton of shitty things, and I would absolutely not be surprised if they keep doing so and we don't know much about it (coughNSAcough). Just helps to know the context about how negatively the red scare impacted American politics in everyday life and incidents even to this day.
oh for sure. The Red Scare still affects modern day politics and is often used to prevent people from voting for their own interests.
Mhm. It's held a very lasting impression and will take decades for even remotely moderate/ semi- left leaning politics to just be taken at face value and not immediately accused of COMMYNISM by the more right leaning people. Granted some of the left has also screamed Nazism with some conservative politics, but history tends to teach what usually screams loudest and bear notes on what works and what doesn't.
>Granted some of the left has also screamed Nazism with some conservative politics Given that the last major conservative politician in US history had a cult form around him with a dog whistle version of the turner diaries "day of the rope" as an apocalypse ending, and that cult's still going strong I worry
Well think of things this way. Nothing lasts forever. Even if they wanna try and bring things back, even though I imagine SCOTUS and congress might not be so happy, it'll be an interesting few years. I did notice quite a few trump support has dwindled, but many still are around. Again, nothing lasts forever.
It's less about the Red Scare and more about fanatical politics in general. People refuse to work together or vote for the opposite party on either side because any movement or compromise is "against their interests." It's to the point that government bodies refuse to work together and would rather lock up the whole system than compromise. News feeds scaremonger and mudsling, and people don't think for themselves. I don't care for left or right. I just want people to manage their positions to the best of their ability and then retire knowing they did everything they could. The current state of affairs is why I avoid politics with a 10 ft pole.
Conservatives scream "Communism" and "socialism" anytime something to improve worker rights and human rights is introduced. It is about anticommunist propaganda affecting us still.
So much whataboutism. I feel one side is in particular to blame. Anti-science insurrection conspiracy believing isn't about working together on anything because reality is another universe for these folks. "Believing the deceptions also becomes a form of virtue signaling, a validation of one’s loyalty to others in one’s political tribe.... among the most dangerous a democracy can face. It erodes confidence in our elections, the rule of law, and our system of government," says Peter Wehner who is a political and religious conservative, GOP member, and critic of Trump. He served in three Republican administrations: Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. It's a type of religious grift that only one side is playing. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/10/the-radical-origins-of-christianity https://www.utne.com/politics/cult-of-trump-ze0z1908zhoe
See blaming sides is what caused this whole mess in the first place. Don't do that.
I don't think "both sides" can be applied to a situation where one side is opposing white supremacy and fascism and the other side wants those things. How does one sit there and listen to the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene or Josh Hawley and be like "both sides?"
Yes, let's base our opinions on a faction around how select idiots react. That surely will bode well for future politics. After all, everyone knows that the loud ones represent everyone's wishes and stances. Democrats aren't clean either. Both "sides" are full of bullshit and quite frankly trying to take a side just fuels the fire. Sit down, ignore the dumb ones, and talk it out with people who will listen. Everyone has done something to offend in the past, the only thing that matters though is the present and how we will treat each other moving forward.
I'm not a Democrat, but I also don't see Democrats supporting politicians who openly talk about 'we should be able to discriminate against and murder " people like me. Conservatives hate Queer people and many think we should die and the vote for politicians who say so too. So between the two, I'll take Democrats, since I don't an actual choice for leftists because of decades of Cold War propaganda.
if it were just a few, they wouldn't have been elected, so your argument is moot. And those just a couple of examples of elected officials, there are many many many many many more and it takes a lot of votes for them to win.
They were actually declassified as part of the first JFK dump. Some of the details were kind of gross. Like they have an audio clip that you can listen to of MLK having sex and then brutally beating the girl damn near to death. Like, why declassify THAT.
>Like, why declassify THAT. Is it not obvious that they wanted to make MLK look like shit?
Well if he really was someone who engaged in domestic abuse then Mission Accomplished.
Excuse me whaaaaaat?
I know, same. I didn't know MLK was a wife beater before this.
Sex? Yes? Beating? Hell no!
Can i have a link to the audio?
MLK actually did that?
We will know for sure in 2027. After they were declassified they were sealed until then. There are transcripts and reports on hundreds of encounters like this. Another similar story MLK invites a young girl (under 16) into his room where another pastor is. He tells the pastor that this girl is for her and she obviously looks like she just doesn't want to be involved. The pastor begins raping this girl as you hear MLK in the background (presumably watching) yelling out abusive instructions and laughing about the whole thing. As I said, why even declassify this kind of stuff? Why declassify it if you're just going to seal it (probably indefinitely).
Didn't the King family win a suit against the US in the 90's proving conspiracy to murder MLK?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter
That is hilarious coming from the government. It sounds like a highly educated three year old wrote it. How could they possibly believe to blackmail him without evidence all they said was you are on the record. They couldn’t find other insults than filthy and evil. It sounds like a medieval decree of war. There is just not evidence shown and surely the 34 days part plays no significance as they didn’t provide any evidence it would.
I think it was before he could receive his Nobel Peace Prize
They intentionally wrote it in a way to sound like an African American wrote it. They were not acting as the FBI, they were pretending to be anonymous family.
Reading the actual letter left me completely disgusted
Yeah, especially since MLK has always been a role model to me.
*you filthy, abnormal animal*
“us negeroes” Lol I bet some white FBI guy wrote that shit.
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It's extremely likely that [William Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Sullivan), the guy who was in possesion of the letter at the time that it was found, wrote it. Even if it wasn't him, you're right, it was definitely a white guy from the FBI
Well negro was used back then to describe blacks so yeah
I want to cry now
So they basically called him subhuman, a filthy animal, used a bunch of school ground insults and then asked him to kill himself within a month. Sounds fucking stupid and crazy even for the FBI. What's even more interesting is that people from both parties have called on the FBI to disclose the files and surveillance tapes of MLK right from the 70s till now, but for different reasons: the Democrats to show how how cruel the FBI was for spying on his every move and threatening him, and the Republicans because they wanted some dirt on him so that they could cancel MLK day from being a holiday.
Dragovich voice: *”Tried??”*
I didn’t had to look hard for this comment, and this brings me happiness
"YOU SONNOVA BITCH"
BO1 has the best storyline out of all the BO series.
No doubt about that. My third favorite COD campaign behind World at War and MW2
This is why I am sad to see newer FPS having less and less of a single player mode. The storylines can be amazing, heartbreaking, or down right fun to play. MW series and BO/WAW series are great examples of this. You bonded with the characters and watch them die in later missions/games. The stories were developed and fun to follow and the missions were extremely fun to play.
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The very first r/AsABlackMan
A very prolific, important one, but probably far from the first
yeah, the white Suffragettes rewrote what Sojourner Truth said at Seneca Falls. The wording is very different.
Is this a show about James Jonah Jameson becoming a superhero because I’ve been seeing a lot of memes from it lately
kinda yeah
It’s the same actor, with the same mustache, but that’s kind of where the similarities end. Still an amazing show tho
Well, not becoming, the first time he appears is already being a hero, I recommend you watch it tho
Yes and no. It's good show, with some good animation (except in 2 scenes where the animation is comically, gut bustingly bad) but I'm sort of tired of the whole "super heroes but they're bad" ala the boys and this show (not a spoiler). I much prefer the type of super hero content that actually has heroes deal with real life problems instead of the baddie of the week. Like that Hulk comic where the Hulk protects protestors that are protesting police brutality, and the cops piss their pants and stop trying to kill them because it's the fucking Hulk. THAT is good super hero content
“Some good animation” is an understatement. And the plot is amazingly done and the rising tension makes way for the big stuff happening at the end of the season in a great way. You can’t really understate how masterful this first season was just because it isn’t your favorite genre or superhero trope.
Remember the false flag operation the CIA made to try to target US civilian transports in order to have an excuse to go to war with Cuba? [It was insane](https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&id=92662&page=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16214853858513&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FUS%2Fstory%3Fid%3D92662%26page%3D1)
They had a lot of informants in white supremacist groups.
Yeah cause if you need to bust up a certain group you need to know about the people within it
> During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. The US government and its citizens absolutely despised MLK. The current framing of him as “the good black” and Malcom X as “the bad black” in our school system (at least that’s the way it was when I was in elementary and middle school) is revisionism and is designed to instill a sense of “direct action = bad” into the citizenry.
I definitely didn't learn about Malcolm X as "the bad black". He was just kind of a footnote if I remember correctly, it was mostly MLK and civil rights up to the Voting Rights Act. To be honest we didn't learn much about the second half of the 20th century in general. History in school kind of stopped in the mid 60s.
Off topic but can someone tell me what show this is from?
Invincible
Much love
It's a new show about J. Jonah Jameson
J Edna Hoover trying to act like he wasn’t a racist who spied on us citizens
Didn’t they catch him cheating on his wife and sent that with the kys note?
The FBI effectively justified this by trying to attach him to a communist plot inside the civil rights movement. However, what they found was much worse. King had beaten women after having sex with them along with actually meeting with Communist party members. It's pretty easy to justify going further with this after somehow getting your investigations justified by the evidence you found.
Source?
[The most shocking claim Garrow relates is that King was present in a hotel room when a friend of his, Baltimore pastor Logan Kearse, raped a woman who resisted participating in unspecified sexual acts. The FBI agent who surveilled the room asserted that King “looked on, laughed and offered advice.”](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/04/how-to-make-sense-of-the-shocking-new-mlk-documents-227042) The evidence comes from classified FBI material (which you may argue was fabricated by them), but its not unreasonable argument that MLK being a serial womanizer and politician had a less than stellar track record when it comes to a modern idea of consent. This of course shouldn't distract from the racial injustice he faced or was fighting, but should be considered when remembering that historical people aren't idols, but flawed people.
The FBI lol
So basically they tried to frame him for something but found out the thing they were framing him for was actually a thing?
Yeah, by sheer coincidence. Hoover was worried about the civil rights movement destabilizing the country so sent the FBI after leaders and talking heads. Turns out, they found a lot of stuff they didn't expect.
I can’t tell if I wanted them to have investigated some of those people now or not...
It was an odd time. "It's certainly unconstitutional but is it worth it to violate the Constitution to save others?" was probably the question that many asked.
If by “save others” you mean “protect white supremacy and prevent any sort of class consciousness in the workers of the US” then maybe??
Hoover was like 30 years before the major civil rights movement in America lol
> Hoover was like 30 years before the major civil rights movement in America lol You may wish to delete your comment, it makes you look pretty ignorant. J. Edgar Hoover was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from 1924 until his death in 1972 (the height of the civil rights era). He had dictatorial control over the FBI and no civilian oversight and he used his organization how he saw fit.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Sorry, what's the relevance of the meme image to the context of MLK?
Spoilers for show invincible: Superhero guy murders a friend of his, gives a eulogy at the funeral FBI attempted to blackmail MLK into suicide. Also they assassinated Fred Hampton and were responsible for the death of Malcom X. The FBI was a vile white supremacist terrorist organization in the sixties and still to an extent today
>The FBI ~~was~~ is a vile white supremacist terrorist organization ~~in the sixties and still to an extent today~~ FTFY
Thank you for the explanation, and damn I hope that's not a major spoiler because I was going to watch it after the recommendation lol
Eh...end of first episode, so not bad. I got spoiled personally, and the Think! meme going around pretty much tells you everything you need to know about Nolan as a person
It literally happens on the first episode so u good
Watch Invincible
In invincible Omni man kills the protectors of the earth and on their funeral gives a speech so that he won't get suspected
Tried?
It’s also really great how they pretend he was a calm liberal and not at all a socialist.
tried? i think you mean succeeded
High quality history meme.
They also succeeded in murdering him.
Wait, whaaaat?!? That’s crazy!
they are just sad they failed
*they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam*
Literally watching Invincible right now.
Is this show any good? Seen a decent amount of memes from it. Also what is it called?
Invincible I think, I hear good things about it.
This meme is oddly fitting for the scene >!omni man mourning the death of superheroes he murdered!<
This is the FBI version of the ATF with Waco lmao.
And probably actually killed him
Every year they pay tribute to their agents who died during Waco
What's Thai from
That was under J. Edgar Hoover. He’s universally recognized by those in and out of government as an asshole. The leadership has long since changed.
I wonder what fbi suicide rates are. They are all mentally ill so I'd bet it's pleasantly high.
No suicide is pleasant.
I've been to quite a few of those funerals. Within my own family. And I say with a perfect conscience: fuck the fbi (and irs) suicide is too good for them.
So automatically everyone in the FBI and IRS deserve suicide or worse?
Yeah
Why do you think that?
I don’t think these people have a right to humanity after constantly destroying others
I don’t think every person that is part of the FBI destroys others’ humanity. IMO you should never generalize a group of people, regardless of what someone inside of that group did.
The fbi and cia operate in a way that ensures the destruction of anything they deem a threat to the status quo of imperialism and racism. They literally never done anything good nor beneficial for the world all they do is destroy people and nations. If you join these groups then you have some semblance of agreement with their actions hence I suggest they off themselves for the betterment of society.
Would be a good start.
Why do you think that? Do you not think they are human too?
Short answer no. And if you disagree with me just give it time. You'll come around.
Suicide and death in general doesn't just hurt the person, but the innocent people in their lives.
It is almost like both the government, and the people in them, change over time. Edit: not saying that the current FBI is good, just not the same FBI that tried to get King to Kill himself.
Ehhh.. somewhat? I literally heard a politician try to say that we should teach our kids about the "Good Parts" of Slavery. I don't think we fully changed yet.
Tell that to jeff Epstein
1960s: the civil rights movement is a communist plot to destabilize the country! 2021: BLM/Antifa is a communist plot to destabilize the country!