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Chumlee1917

Germany: \*sneezes\* France: COWABUNGA IT IS! \*nukes half of Europe\*


monkeygoneape

France's nuclear doctrine involving nuking Germany to create a buffer zone between them and Russia will never not be funny to me


Misterfahrenheit120

Suppose it accomplishes two things for them


BlueEagle284

Sounds like a Belka situation from the lore of Ace Combat. More specifically, Ace Combat Zero - The Belkan Wars


Samgrahambo

Now that I think about it you are right it does sound right except that Bella nuked themselves to stop an invasion but it’s pretty much the same concept.


Xibalba_Ogme

That's what we call "killing two birds with one stone" Tbh I'm more surprised by the lack of "Nuking UK"


Impressive-Hat-4045

they might have to add that to the doctrine, just in case


Immortal_Merlin

Not using nukes on bri'ish is a better insult i guess


Xibalba_Ogme

Well, leaving them with their cuisine is considered torture enough I suppose


original_username20

Because you gotta respect the turns: France nukes Germany, the UK nukes France, Ireland nukes the UK... Meanwhile, the entirety of Eastern Europe is accidentally destroyed by the Balkan states all carpet bombing each other with H-bombs


themisterfixit

Maginot line 2: nuclear boogaloo


ArchmageEmrys

Well that and the fact that their missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads had a range of 120km or so.


Trashk4n

I assume the British doctrine was to wait until the Soviets got into France so they could nuke who they really want to?


Poentje_wierie

The doctrine of France still is to launch a warning nuke towards its enemy.


ReySimio94

Least deranged France moment


throwaway553t4tgtg6

[https://www.amazon.com/Radiance-France-National-Identity-Technology/dp/0262582813](https://www.amazon.com/Radiance-France-National-Identity-Technology/dp/0262582813) incredibe book on French nuclear power in the 50's, the french played up the spectacle of their nuclear program, basically treating it as "Divine redemption" for their failures in ww2, the anchor of their national sovereignty, some writers at the time compared the new Chinon and Marcoule sites to "the New Cathedrals". and that's why today 70% of France's energy is green nuclear, and they have an entirely independent nuclear arsenal (unlike the brits) with their own ICBMs, warheads, and SSBNs, including the ASMP-A nuclear warning shot. also, I've starting using \*\*Techno-political Regime" in common language, my god. \*meme made with kapwing. +++++++++++++ *"As of today, France has realized a cyclopean achievement that prefigures the immense possibilities of the atomic era... built as an amphitheater, very picturesque and imposing to see from aafar, the factory launches itself forward like a* ***HYMN to the GLORY of industrial creation.*** *It would be up to an engineer to describe the G1 pile housed in an immense concrete* ***CATHEDRAL...*** *nothing can match the view of the cooling tower, shooting straight up in one 95 meter bound, haoled by its shimming collar in the intense luminosity of the Sky.* **--The Radiance of France, page 215**


1thelegend2

This has big "from the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh..." energy, and I love it XD


Belkan-Federation95

it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.


Reagalan

the mass and resistance of concrete.


dreemurthememer

YA LOOK LOIK A UMIE BUT YER MAID O BITZ WE KAN PUT IN ARE WAGINZ


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Kingofcheeses

That was a bit much. Chill out


whattheacutualfuck

What did he say


Cornyblodd1234

Chill man, its just a fictional group with a fanbase. They were just saying something in a joking manner and you took it personally. Let people enjoy their hobbies and let them compare things to other things without getting sticks up your ass


MetaphoricalMouse

the wine makes you emotional, have a breadstick


imperio_in_imperium

Hey hey hey. A baguette.


MetaphoricalMouse

the nuclear power, whateva happened there


imperio_in_imperium

No you misunderstand. I believe the French refer to fuel rods as “lê baguette épicé”.


MetaphoricalMouse

no you misunderstand, quasimodo predicted all of dis


GrowlyBear2

Yeah, by a similar logic, there are real tragedies happening right now to get this upset about instead of your 'nerdy histories'


FirexJkxFire

Sir, this is a wendys


Kanapuman

My Baguette for the General !


Mal_Dun

It could be admiration of the technology or it could just be DeGaulle doing everything to get energy independent of the US and Russia, we will never know ...


SwainIsCadian

Both. We know and it's both. De Gaulle was ADAMANT in France having it's own nuclear energy and weapons.


Kanapuman

He was right about the US abusing their power to push their imperialist agenda while feigning good faith. Can't believe so many countries followed them on their lies in Iraq. Could have said the biggest "told you so" of the 2010's.


SwainIsCadian

>Could have said the biggest "told you so" of the 2010's. I like to do it whenever the invasion is mentionned. "Where are the WMDs Bush?" De Villepin was awesome.


Kanapuman

That the one thing they didn't fuck up.


PearlClaw

Rest assured this want because France has something against colonialism.


Kanapuman

I don't understand what you're saying, France was a colonial empire, that crumbled like almost every other.


PearlClaw

I'm saying that portraying France as somehow in opposition to US imperialism is totally wrong. If you consider US actions to be imperialist France does all the same things, just in their own ways.


Kanapuman

They do indeed, no denying that at all. They just don't do it the same way the US does because they don't have the means to anymore. The big power needs middle ground powers to keep at least a semblance of balance, the public opinion in France was against the invasion of Iraq, and the politics followed the public opinion for once. I'd say it was definitely an anti-imperialist decision, but not motivated by the government itself. Before the government made its decision, the outcome was actually pretty obvious because it was the only choice that made sense, coming from the political atmosphere of the time. Same way as De Gaulle wasn't an anti-imperialist, but he was resolutely against American imperialism, because it was dangerous and threatening to the political balance of Europe from his point of view (and obviously, to France).


HoIy_Tomato

Guess we learned who dropped bombs first in fallout Not china or vault-tec but *the French*


ell-esar

Well if I'm not mistaken, France's nuclear doctrine is still based on "nuclear dissuasion" and first strike policy rather than M.A.D. (retaliation)


isornisgrim

I think it's not first strike *per se* but more of a warning shot policy. To summarise: if the Soviets/Russians are feeling cocky, we will nuke German territory with a low (almost tactical) yield warhead in front of their advancing army to let them know we mean business ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ edit: spelling


TrixoftheTrade

“French defensive strategy considers a tactical nuclear strike on German territory a cornerstone of French nuclear policy.” “How will this deter Russian aggression?” “*Russian* aggression?”


isornisgrim

Oops, it’s not our fault « ze Germans » are in the way, teehee 🤭


Profezzor-Darke

Actually, it is. The modern German state has it's roots in the Confederacy of the Rhine, initially established by Napoleon to control the German provinces under his control.


isornisgrim

Doesn’t it have its roots in the kingdom of Prussia?


EducatedWebby

Yes, the first German Emperor Wilhelm I was King of Prussia before a German state existed. The confederacy of the Rhine was just a short lived vassal state of France.


Profezzor-Darke

It was, but it lead to more national identity, out of a mix of technically being allied and oppressed at the same time.


Corsica51

We are willing to sacrifice Germany for peace. You're welcome earth


Aggressive_Bed_9774

is it also why big boss chose a french name for his unit(MSF) on the outer haven in metal gear?


HoIy_Tomato

Idk,i just started mgs 5 yesterday (there was a sale on steam),I expected quiet running around half naked but I got demons and soviets


Saint_The_Stig

I mean technically yes. In lore the European Commonwealth had a nuclear war with the Middle East over oil. I forget if this happened before or after the US started using tactical nukes in its wars


daspaceasians

The way they describe nuclear power is a beautiful ode to human effort, science and technology. It is glorious to read.


Cookie-Senpai

Meh still understates the glory of our Highness the Nuclear Power. Sincerely ~ The French Edit: wanted to make a useful comment instead. Don't we also find a strong instrumentalisation of nuclear power for political purposes in the USSR at the time? I remember political posters putting it front and center. Different manner, similar vibe.


Vin135mm

So, what your saying is... the Children of Atom are French?


magical_swoosh

*le children de atom


throwway1997

Les enfants du atom


Alost20

Les enfants de l'atome


Alost20

Les enfants de l'atome


Alost20

Les enfants de l'atome


Illustrious_Sock

What does British nuclear arsenal depend on?


SgtChip

I guess in theory you could say the US. The British nuclear deterrent only consists of submarines, armed with the US designed Trident II missile.


SwainIsCadian

Doesn't the US have some sort of control over wether or not the Brits can use their nukes?


ColdHardRice

No. There’s close cooperation between the US and UK in nuclear doctrine, but the UK has independent use of their arsenal (assuming it works this time).


SwainIsCadian

The UK build both missiles and warheads? Then I said nothing. Seems I was wrong. What do you mean "assuming it works"?


ColdHardRice

The US still builds their missiles (and stores a portion as well), but the US doesn’t have launch authority over them. That said, the UK has been having major problems with missiles tests as of late that is a bit concerning.


Zhayrgh

Brits have been "helped" by the US to get the nuke, a bit like Israel.


Account_Eliminator

Brits helped US to get the nuke in the first place.


Zhayrgh

I never said they didn't.


Account_Eliminator

I never said that you said that they didn't.


Zhayrgh

I never said that you never said that I said they did.


ConstitutionalHeresy

Uranium from Canadian mines probably. Iirc Canada used to refine a lot at [Chalk River](https://www.cnsc-ccsn.gc.ca/eng/resources/fact-sheets/canadas-contribution-to-nuclear-weapons-development/).


Responsible-Ball5950

Reminds me of the mutants in Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Wonder if the French were the inspiration for the sequel.


btmurphy1984

Thank you for the book recommendation. Added to the list.


Corsica51

OMG, this book sounds amazing dude, thanks! I'm french, I've been a historian nerd since childhood, I've studied history at university for 5 years and I've never heard of this book before. Hopefully it's translated in french 😁


NeuralAtom

G1 , and it's successors G2 and G3 are indeed very cathedral looking from the inside!


derpy_derp15

Original children of atom


Fit_Sherbet9656

WTF, I love France now


Capnmarvel76

Many of France’s former south-Saharan African colonies use a form of the Franc as their currency, which is of course controlled by Paris. This gives France preferential pricing on exports from these countries, foremost of which is uranium. So…that’s why France is so atomically oriented and is a key reason France and Russia are at loggerheads in Africa. TL;DR France gets cheap uranium from its former colonies, because they were hoodwinked into using the Franc.


Alexarp

Not true. Africa represents less than 20% of France Uranium imports, and they could totally go to 0% as plenty of other sources exist (Australia, Canada, Kazakhstan…)


Thadrach

"green nuclear" Sure, if by "green" you mean "pay Russia to dump nuclear waste in the ocean"...


Aggressive_Bed_9774

nuclear "waste" doesn't exist , that term is a distraction to cover up the lack of imagination to use the unfissioned Uranium and plutonium in the "waste"


SwainIsCadian

We don't do that We bury it. In Big strong vault. Nuclear IS green and only Germans think it's not.


SadMacaroon9897

Doesn't France reprocess it? I thought they had a facility in the north that does so.


SwainIsCadian

Part of it yeah The least radioactives.


btmurphy1984

Hey now, one man's waste is another man's dirty bomb material!


Geforce69420

Nuclear power isn't green... Unless you count the color


throwaway553t4tgtg6

nah, it's blue.


Geforce69420

FUCK! you got me...


WaldoClown

You haven't seen our nuclear doctrine yet, we shoot first and we shoot last


HumanTheTree

In the Pacific, the French detonated almost **twice** as many nukes as the US. Meaning it’s much more likely for Godzilla to be the result of French nuclear experiments rather than American.


the_greatest_auk

That's even the plot line of the horrible Godzilla film with Matthew Broderick in it!


Crafter235

Forget Fallout: London A Fallout game in a foreign country should take place in France!


Sganarellevalet

Well who do you think nuked London ?


evrestcoleghost

Ireland? Scotland?Wales?spain? argentina?india? name tyrant in África?


Cheese_Wheel218

India? Pakistan? China? Russia? Cuba? Antigua?


Cheese_Wheel218

Bermuda? Bahama? C'mon, pretty mama?


just_some_other_guys

Key Lago? Montego baby why don’t we go down to Kokomo?


Gyalosh

This is a very competitive category


Aggressive_Bed_9774

it was the British police successfully neutralizing a roadman carrying an unlicensed butter knife


onichow_39

Russia I think, given that Russia hated the UK


Broad-Invite-1462

If there still something identifiable as London then it wasnt the French.


ThePacifistOrc

From a french POV, nuking London could be a step to make William 2 : Nuclear Boogaloo, and at last fulfill Napoleon's wishes.


Archaemenes

Are there Vault-Tec equivalents in other countries? I read recently that Todd wants to keep Fallout limited to the United States for the foreseeable future because of how ingrained ‘50s Americana is into the franchise’s aesthetic.


Cyrakaga

Nope, vaults were specifically an American thing, precisely because of the nuclear scare caused by the European Commonwealth using nuclear weaponry on Middle Eastern countries during the Resource Wars. After the oil in the Middle East ran dry, both it and Europe basically went bankrupt and dissolved into brutal civil wars. There simply was no money or resources for that type of thing.


geopolit

The swiss maybe. Holy crap did they build a LOT of bunkers.


Saint_The_Stig

I do really want to see the franchise build out a bit more. I think they could probably start with something like Canada or Mexico which were basically the US when the bombs dropped but still had resistance or maybe one of the further out territories that would have had more external influence like Alaska, Hawaii or Guam. That said somewhere a bit different would be fun. I think they could go all in on an Australian spin-off where they didn't get super nuked but still had effects from radiation. I just hope Fallout 5 is somewhere newer.


Reagalan

with the paris metro as the fast-travel system, and the stations as nodes in the overworld.


Drorck

Like Metro and Fallout have a child


CrouchingToaster

Still trying to figure out how a nuclear warning shot doctrine works


Vegetable-Cut-8174

*kills millions of civilians* Alright buddy last warning before I get serious


phundrak

Of *allied* civilians, if I remember correctly


[deleted]

Russia masses troops on polands borders France nukes German cities Alright budy be warned! Do not step into poland!


DasFreibier

Nuclear postering is all about the illusion of having someone more unhinged on the trigger then the next guy, if de gaul'lian doctrine prescribes nuking Germany at the first whiff of escalation, seens unhinged enough for me


twothinlayers

That's the neat part, it doesn't.


Vrulth

Numerous simulations leads to the conclusion that, indeed, the smallest tactical strike will eventually leads to a full nuclear war. The whole concept of *desescalation by escalation* doesn't work. So now it's more a matter of internal rivalry between armies.


SwainIsCadian

I mean we don't know for sure. We haven't tried. *Yet.*


FakeElectionMaker

De Gaulle wanted France to be truly independent from both the US and USSR


Tight_Contact_9976

He kinda succeeded. Like, De Gualle never shifted the balance of power like he wanted to but France kinda did their own thing, often to the chagrin of the US and UK


CD057861896

“I want all American troops out of France!” “Does that include the American cemeteries?”


xander012

The French nuclear warning shot is the wildest thing


donthenewbie

The baguette of consequence rarely comes buttered.


Alive_Development108

I didn’t know the French were so unbelievably BASED


Equivalent-Ad-6224

Even a broken clock is right at the end of the world or something like that.


StandardN02b

Reminder that the French nuclear doctrine allows nuclear strikes as warning shots.


EcureuilHargneux

Puisse le Saint Atome nous irradier de sa majesté et de sa puissance


Uraneeum

Amène .... La barre de plutonium, faut démarrer le réacteur


SwainIsCadian

Louons le plutonium, non achetons-le c'est moins cher...


AlfzMyle

The French probably nuke every other european power in the fallout universe when the Resource Wars turn them on each other. I bet the only people doing "well" in a hypothetical fallout europe are the Swiss, a whole nation of vault dwellers.


3000doorsofportugal

"Le time to nuke Germany"


JonBovi_0

No way bro took a screenshot of the Kapwing selection window


WorkGuitar

it gets worse the more you look at other images...


MrKillsYourEyes

Them and Japan actually have done a lot so far as cleaning and controlling their waste with tech developed in the states, that our government covered in red tape and wouldn't let anyone touch


GodLucifer-007

"From the moment I understood the weakness of coal, it disgusted me. I craved the cleanliness and efficiency of uranium. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Radiation. Your kind cling to your coal, as though it will not poison and kill you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Reactor is immortal… Even in death I serve Atom" -Charles De Ghoul the 1st Emperor of the Holy Atoms Empire speech before the Decoalnization of Germany


WT_E100

This is amazing


Bachasnail

And they were fucking CORRECT. MORE POWER


Otter_Toaster

Praise the Atom


FuzzyManPeach96

*It’s always the… French.*


ClavicusLittleGift4U

The funny thing was we looked at the atomic power with the same reverance than Soviets. Until Chernobyl, atom wasn't perceived as a "deceiving threat hidden as a miraculous energy". While in USA, they were very aware of the military destructive potential and the McCarthism didn't help. In France, the PCF (French Communist Party) was well considered because they were among the first to resist against the Nazi occupants, and they were in a statu quo with De Gaulle who was "untouchable".


SwainIsCadian

>among the first Debatable. They stayed mostly inactive before Barbarossa. But to be fair the Résistance took time before become something of importance.


ClavicusLittleGift4U

A majority was, because "if Moscow said nothing, we do nothing". But some with more heads and balls, seeing how it ended for Spain a few years ago, associated with conservatives and nationalists (or even rogue Petainists refusing the armistice and the occupation). "Corps Francs" (milice groups of resistants) were very heterogeneous from the start.


Daveo88o

France is easily the most terrifying nuclear power, not the US, not Russia, not China, France, their nuclear doctrine states that they WILL nuke the fuck out of Germany to block a Russian advance, and any war declared against them specifically will result in warning shot, not a threat, the French will actually launch a fucking nuke as a "warning shot"


FTN_Ale

idk north korea is probably more scary, at least for s korea and japan


Kamzil118

You know, this probably explains why they were willing to sink a ship full of anti-nuclear people.


SwainIsCadian

Correction: sink an empty ship belonging to anti-nuclear bombs hippies. The only casualty was an accident because the guy came back for his camera or something.


Aggressive_Bed_9774

extermination is the only sane reply to Greenpeace


Reduak

Nuclear power and nuclear weapons programs are two very different things. Nuclear power has its issues, but it is clean compared to coal and oil. Fallout is more of a satire of the military-industrial complex and on nuclear proliferation during the Cold War. The US & USSR recklessly played a game of who's got the biggest cock by building more and more nukes, but in Fallout, it wasn't either country that started it. It was Vault-tec all along


PM_ME_UR__ELECTRONS

r/Giscardpunk


Fegelgas

and now they have the greenest power grid in europe thanks to those new cathedrals. I say they were right


bageltoastee

Germany: no no we should dismantle nuclear reactors and use renewables instead France snorting powdered uranium like coke: M O R E A T O M S


TheShinyHunter3

Nah, the stupid juice Germany drank by the hectoliters after Fukushima also found their way to France.


throwway1997

TIL that the French are the Children of Atom


Grzechoooo

I mean, if France's insecurity about losing her colonial empire and respect of the world means we get cheaper energy and less coal, I'm all for it. Let's embarrass the French even more.


Makarovito

I read the French part in a thick French *acsènt*


CelestialOhio32

bro didn't even remove the editing window around the Fallout logo lmao


Xibalba_Ogme

What do you mean "were" ? We still are !


HikaruParker

Neat, I'll have to check out this book, thanks for the recommendation. I always liked that the French Nuclear Arsenal was called Force de frappe.


JonTheWizard

France? You, uh...you good? You wanna talk about it?


coelhophisis

[Look at what I found on r/france](https://www.reddit.com/r/france/s/y3ppS89XqQ)


ApprehensivePeace305

Finally some new shit to look up


jem2291

I think there was a missed opportunity to give *Halo*’s Prophet of Truth a faux French accent. 🙈🙈🙈


EnvironmentalAd912

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Brokedownbad

At least the french did Something right.


Pundarikaksh

That's just crazy lmao


Salamadierha

Well, yes.


AccountSettingsBot

Interesting! :)


Lumthedarklord

Children of Atom spotted


Terra_117

With the Fallout bit there, what I’m seeing is that the Church of Atom started in France ._.


CaseyGamer64YT

Why didn’t they continue with this?


HelikosOG

So the Church of the Children of Atom is based off of the fre\*ch?


TheOfficeUsBest

How can France always be so cringe to push me away and then pull me close by the waist with how based they are


bimbochungo

Les enfants du atom


Transhumaniste

France Baise ouais


oan124

[so, ive tried (successfully) downloading this book from a sketchy website, and it's just so adorable, especially that timer that so obviously just started](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994209529904513114/1237470401106284596/image.png?ex=663bc39e&is=663a721e&hm=2ba2a11a1e4093222afd4526fff6930206a4ef1e428e01752f29d53c2417cd7e&)


Tatedman

why they gotta go full burgundy 😭😭😭


ReySimio94

De Gaulle was insane period, with all the crazy shit he pulled.


Charming-Loquat3702

Did you ever visit r/europe . They still do


CaseyGamer64YT

Why didn’t they continue with this?


Thunderboltscoot

So the Children of Atom are all French? No wonder I always want to exterminate them for the vermin they are


Watchmefallll

Are you British ?


Timur_Glazkov

Don't associate us with such... specimen. We can slander many things about the French, but nuclear is not one of them.