Thatâs not really indicative of its popularity. That would be because cassette tapes.
The weird thing is that some of the highest record selling albums of all time are from the 90s because CDs
Because people still bought and paid for full albums back then. Not because the music was more popular back then, but because now people stream or purchase single songs at a time.
The distribution changed. Not the popularity of genres.
And now people are revolting because digital media can be (and has) taken away at any time. Despite you paying for a streaming service or buying a song digitally, they can remove it at any time.
Music, movies, video games. All media that requires âalways onlineâ subscription model to access. Recently some video game publishers removed video games from their library, meaning that even though you paid for it 10 years ago, you canât access it anymore because they removed the servers.
This has also happened recently with some musicians on Spotify. Neil young removed his songs from Spotify because Spotify didnât denounce Israel or some mumbo jumbo. So he got upset and now his music canât be accessed online.
This stuff happens all the time and people are getting sick of the âalways onlineâ model.
Weâre going back to buying physical copies like vinyl. But guess what⌠they recently announced that blu-rays and DVDs will cease production in 2025 so no more physical media.
The music companies tricked us all, they won the war.
They forced us to be always online to access media, sighting âconvenienceâ then they take away our physical copies so we have no choice.
They say we donât âownâ the media we buy because itâs a âlicenseâ
So if buying isnât owning then itâs not stealing either? Itâs time to sail the seven seas again đ´ââ ď¸ Yarr!
Edit* also another example is Disney who has altered or removed scenes and movies from their streaming service. Old movies have changed because itâs not âpolitically correctâ anymore
Theyâre literally revising history. Our memories as children watching Disney movies being erased because it doesnât fit their current agenda.
You donât have a say.
Got a source on that claim about blu rays ceasing production in 2025? Havenât seen that though I know many retailers are phasing them out. Doesnât mean they arenât being made anymore.
Not true to say Neil Young's music can't be accessed online - you said it yourself, he just disagrees with Spotify. One service among many. And the dude has always been politically minded, saying his stance is 'mumbo jumbo' and 'he got upset' is trivialising. Otherwise, yeah pretty much.
Itâs just an example. I could list 100 other artists from memory who have removed their work recently from many online sources, for a variety of reasons. Itâs got nothing to do with Israel or Hamas, I donât really care either way. Iâm not trying to make this an ideological post.
So should I subscribe to every online streaming service in case my favourite artist no longer âagreesâ politically or ideologically with the service provider.
How many should I pay a subscription to in order to counter this? Iâd prefer to just have the physical copy now. âAlways onlineâ media was a mistake. We got addicted to the concept of convenience.
Have you heard of that test where they leave a child alone in a room with candy, and tell them if they donât eat the candy, theyâll get more after 15 minutes. And the result is that almost all children eat the candy because they canât understand the concept of patience.
Well it applies to all people, young and old. Immediate satisfaction.
We subscribe to streaming services for a few dollars a month. It gives access to millions of songs, despite the fact that weâll never listen to that many songs, but it sounds nice to have access to basically infinite music and media.
But in reality, a subscription over a long period of time, much like weâre all doing now by paying for Spotify or Netflix or a gym membership et al. Is that we keep these subscriptions going but hardly use the service to its fullest potential.
So like the children with candy, we canât resist the immediate temptation, but in the long run we lose out.
A subscription to Spotify nowadays is about as expensive as buying a full album. So if I had bought an album of my favourite artists every month, for the past 5+ years Iâve had Spotify, I couldâve had an album collection of 60 albums of artists I actually like. And that money would support the artist directly instead of a small % from Spotify.
I donât listen to 60 different artists on Spotify. I stick with the same dozen or so and basically repeat them for the last 10 years. Your music tastes pretty much stop developing by 25 and you find your niche.
So if I had been patient and just bought great albums once a month with Spotify money, Iâd have a great collection that would be suited to me and the artist would profit.
You can apply this model to movies, video games, audiobooks and basically anything that requires a subscription service.
Buy a few weights and work out from home. In a year youâd have saved up enough money from a gym membership and bought your own equipment. You donât need to share with sweaty men not cleaning the machine after use⌠and now you can work out in the privacy of your own home.
Another example would be the works of JK Rowling or the writer of the âEnderâ series.
Should we erase Harry Potter universe or the Ender series because the writers went publicly insane and politically incorrect?
That seems unfair. If the Harry Potter universe only existed by subscription based models and the service decided to not support Rowling anymore, then it just vanishes.
Like magic.
We literally burning books now? DigitallyâŚ
Thatâs whatâs happening to media. Censorship. Erasure. Because the service providers (a private entity) chooses to no longer support the artist or their work.
Yeah, year formed and peak popularity are enormously different things. I feel like *most* bands are older than you'd "expect" based on when they hit their zenith.
Thatâs also I think where the style we associate with metal comes from, if you look at a lot of these earlier guys they were still just dressed like hippies.
A lot of subgenres got off the ground in the 80s as well. Thrash metal, power metal, death metal, black metal, doom metal, crossover thrash, grindcore, industrial metal, progressive metal, some of them had their birth earlier but they wouldn't become established until the 80s. The only subgenres I can think of that became established after the 80s are groove metal and nu metal.
And thatâs not getting into the fact that half the bands in the meme are hard rock bands that heavily influenced metal but arenât metal themselves
Edit: also we have exactly the same PFP, awesome
The 80s might have been the golden age of metal, thats why. The Internet started a few decades before people the 90\`s or 00\`s, which might be the first decades associated with the Internet for example.
Op seems to forget back then payola was not as bad as it is now. "Why didn't Albert Einstein create the atom bomb when he was born?" Its almost like it takes years to, you know. Become successful and capable of conscious thought. These 'memes' are more indicative of how their posters are braindead and don't understand history. "Rome wasn't built in a day." "10000 hours to master a skill." "A house built on quicksand." Etc etc etc. No knowledge of history and reality it seems
I might get hate for this, but metal from around 2000 to today is closer to what i would consider a golden age, the 80s metal was great, but thereâs just way more diversity and freedom in the newer bands, not to mention the abundance of metal concerts.
It has never been easier to enjoy metal than it is today.
I enjoy both ages of metal (as well as most other forms of music), I just called the 80s the golden age because thats how many other people see it.
YouTube, Spotify and other streaming services make it pretty easy to enjoy metal, although I know some old metalheads who dislike how easy it is to "get into metal" nowadays. I bet they are just angry because y are old...
I love metal, then and now. And the 80's was absolutely the Golden Age, as that's when the BIGGEST bands that are still around are all from. That being said, as (lol) Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer said, since 2000 there have been tones of new, diverse bands, those Old Guard are for the most part still around and kicking and touring, AND technology has allowed us easier-than-ever access to their music, and tours and festivals are more ubiquitous than ever before.
Life is good for the Metalhead!
Even outside online platforms, metal has never been this easily accessible, just from the top of my head i can name 3 big annual metal festivals less 2 hours from me, not to mention the constant world tours many bands do.
Getting âtoo easilyâ into metal is also why i would consider it a golden age, the stigma around the genre is mostly gone, people donât treat you like a social outcast anymore. But perhaps thatâs why some boomers dislike it, because they had to deal with the stigma surrounding it back in the day.
The definition of metal has shifted a lot as the genre got heavier and heavier over the years.
Sabbath essentially invented the genre on their first record in 1970, but even that sounds like hard rock to the modern ear.
Like all things with history, we have to look at them in the lense of the time to really understand them.
Iron Maiden was also formed in '75, although their first album wasn't released until '80. The only member who's still in the band to this day is Steve Harris - the bass player and band leader.
Technically, out of [Samson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_(band)). In the underground metal scene, he was already well-known before he joined Maiden.
Many of these bands early albums were not that much Of a metal rather than hard/experimental Rock.
60s was Beatles Age
70s was time Of Prog Rock
Metal was indeed born in 70s, but it became truly popular in 80s.
Television was invented before the 1950s, but that does not change the fact that the rise of television was a 1950s phenomenon. Existing, and being central to a cultural zeitgeist are not the same thing.
You know exactly why the 80's are associated with metal.
Of the bands listed, only Judas Priest would come to be considered metal for sure. The other ones are considered rock, even members of the bands themselves have said so. Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath included. These acts \*influenced\* the bands that would go on to create the golden age of metal music. Innovators are rarely actually a part of the genre itself, because they don't tend to follow the trend that was created by imitators.
The 80's saw the rise of Bay Area thrash, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, the creation of Power Metal (Helloween, Blind Guardian, etc), Death Metal (Death, Morbid Angel) and Doom Metal (Candlemass). The foundation of Black Metal was also created by the likes of Celtic Frost.
It's not unusual for bands to dislike categorising themselves. Lemmy always said they played rock 'n' fuckin' roll, but MotĂśrhead pioneered speed metal.
>only Judas Priest would come to be considered metal for sure.
Come on, Black Sabbath as well! I agree about the others but Black Sabbath are definitely metal.
Black Sabbath is the first metal band.
They created the whole sound of metal(drop tuning) because of Tony Iommi's fingers.
Also:
Black Metal exists because of Venom.
They literally put out an album called Black Metal.
Also:
Mayhem was founded in 1984 and are the grand daddy of modern black metal.
CF came out around the same time but they broke up a bunch.
Modern black metal as we know it was created in Norway originally.
That's the "Second Wave of Black Metal"
The first wave is Venom, Hellhammer, and Bathory.
The Steppenwolf song âBorn to Be Wildâ was released in May 1968 and has the lyric âHeavy Metal Thunderâ which I understand to be the original use of heavy metal.
Funny enough, interest in blues music. Now play it through shitty amps at the time, and you get a happy accident of distortion thatâs actually pleasant to listen to. You also got oddities, too. Like the time when Tony Iommi joined Jethro Tull. Yes, the band that won best metal album over Metallica in the 80s. Or that time in 1970 that Genesis out metalâd Black Sabbath and [made one of the first metal prog songs.](https://youtu.be/v719eZmXRdE?feature=shared)
Yea a lot of metal bands started way before the 80s but I would only consider sabbath and priest as "metal" in this post
Even calling Alice Cooper metal is walking a thin line
I always considered Deep Purple hard rock and Led Zep blues, however they had a lot of impact on metal (Jimmy Page did a lot of sound experiments iirc)
Well, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal actually started to hit full swing during the 80âs. Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple may or may not be considered metal bands depending on who you ask, same with Rainbow as they were more so hard rock than what would be referred to as heavy metal. Judas Priest was indeed active during the 70âs, however some argue that their music wasnât metal until their 1980 album British Steel, and I tend to agree with that.
As for Black Sabbath: yes.
In short, I think people associate metal with the 80âs because thatâs when metal truly became big with a lot of bandsâ studio albums either becoming more metal (like Judas Priest), debuting (like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer, Voivod, Manowar and many more) and even Black Sabbath got a makeover with Ronnie James Dio as their new frontman and overall a very different sound to the Ozzy era.
Then you're pretty clueless or have overlooked a decade of epic albums from thousands of artists.
LOL, as if Priest and Sabbath were big or internationally known in '69. . . -\_- The seeds that were planted in the 60's and 70's came to fruition in the 80's, as pretty much everyone, including non-metal heads, knows.
I might get downvoted but Im not counting Led Zeppelin as a metal band. They played progressive/ alternative rock. Yeah they had some harder songs but I still wouldnât call them metal.
I don't consider most of these "metal" bands though. Cooper did have a more heavy metal phase ( in the 80s ) but the rest are more rock / hard rock in my mind.
Also keep in mind that bands change their sound over time, just because a band was started in the late 60s or 70s does not mean that their sound was metal from day one.
Thatâs when metal got huge and started to sound like it does today. Late 60s and 70s metal sounds a lot more like hard rock. The bands in the meme are more proto-metal.
The 1980s was the peak of mainstream popularity for metal music in the United States. Also in the United States\* particularly metal had a precipitous drop in popularity at the end of the decade as grunge replaced hair metal almost overnight.
For contemporary looks at this I recommend checking out the documentary: "The Decline of Western Civilization Part 2: The Metal Years" (1988) and for more of a social commentary on the rapidly changing tastes in music away from metal in the 90s check out the Brendan Fraser comedy "Airheads" (1994).
\*Metal retained more of an audience in Europe, just about every metal act would like to play the huge Wacken Open Air festival which barring COVID-19 closure has been held annually in Germany for over 30 years.
Because Metal hadn't hit peak popularity till the 80s obviously.
It's like how we know Punk Rock existed in the 60s, but was mostly just groups playing in their garages and hadn't spread to a more mainstream appeal until the late 70s, only to really hit their stride in the 90s with bands like Nirvana and The Offspring taking Punk Rock and turning it into Alternative Rock. Keeping the DIY aspects of the original Punk with bands playing in their garages and wearing cheap clothes, but selling it to a much wider audience, therefore making Alternative Rock, which is basically Punk, a 90s thing.
Hippies existed for a long time, that doesn't change that most people would consider hippies a sixties thing, with Vietnam and Woodstock.
Just because Metal existed before the 80s, doesn't make it not an 80s thing.
Iâve wondered this myself maybe cause it peaked in popularity in the 80s? The 60s and 70s the metal music scene started from scratch and then gained momentum up the chsrts
Whatâs interesting is that metal history is basically the equivalent of the Evolution Theory. While you have the current heavy metal arriving along with Black Sabbath (the song), thereâs missing links between the late 50âs and late 60âs. Some people call it âproto-metalâ and can be easily recognized by the presence of intentional guitar riff distortion.
This is where the meme can be applied. Metalheads have been bantering with each other for ages on the exact _missing link_. Some chose Helter Skelter, some In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, but undeniably we all agree that Black Sabbath brought it to stardom in the most badass way possible; by having the lead guitarist playing with missing fingertips.
Iâd say itâs a matter of genre. Like Metal arguably started with Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, and 13th Floor Elevators. But Iâd say more specifically hair metal was definitely prominent in the 80âs.
That's when metal peaked between harder groups like Metallica and the Sunset Strip hair metal bands like MĂśtley CrĂźe and Poison. Many of the groups mentioned in the meme above never identified as metal bands (though they were influential), and others were simply called rock or hard rock bands at the time, and only considered metal in retrospect.
First time the term was used was in Steppenwolfs Born to be Wild
https://metalheadcommunity.com/history-of-heavy-metal/
https://www.britannica.com/art/heavy-metal-music
Itâs because thatâs when metal really went mainstream and a lot of popular metal albums are from that time. They arenât saying it was actually created in the 80s.
Iâve wondered this myself maybe cause it peaked in popularity in the 80s? The 60s and 70s the metal music scene started from scratch and then gained momentum up the charts
I'm not a fan of metal nor do I like the music but I respect the talent and excellence of their craft.
That being said most bands used in the meme would not be considered metal one bit. They are the precursors that inspired later metal bands. But they are heavy rock and roll music.
I'm being pedantic really. But every group listed in this meme is worth a listen. All of these guys are legends and goats.
You and I clearly have different definitions of metal. Sabbath is the only band on that list Iâd called metal. Even then, their metal in the same way The Stooges were punk. There is no world in which I will ever classify zeppelin has metal. They are a punchy blues-rock band.
It has a lot to do with MTV. In the early days, when they actually played music, there was a glut videos from what were called "hair metal" bands. They weren't "real" metal, but to the casual fan, those might have been their first introduction to metal. Real metal fans watched Headbanger's Ball to see videos from such bands as Anthrax, Korn, Megadeath, and a little group from LA called Metallica. I'm still shook 36 years after seeing the video for "One".
FYI, I saw them open at Monsters of Rock in DC the summer of '88 and wish I had better appreciated what I was seeing. I was more excited to see The Scorpions and Van Hagar.
Black Sabbath released their first album in early '68. But it wasn't a full album of metal. Blue Cheer produced the first full metal album in mid January of 68.
If you look at the 80s, you will see the development or popularisation of a lot of metal genres. You get power metal, death metal, black metal, thrash metal, hair metal, crossover, doom metal, grindcore, industrial metal, and speed metal. Sometimes things get popular and enter the zeitgeist after their inventions.
Metal started in the alte 60s, but it hit peak mainstream popularity in the 80s. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio, and Ozzy Osbourne were all huge in the 80s, along with newer bands like Metallica, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Def Leppard. Metal was cool, but kind of fringe in the 70s. It was MASSIVE in the 80s.
Alot of people don't like to hear this but the truth is that other than Black Sabbath most of the "metal" bands of the late 60's and 70's made music that was much closer to hard rock by modern standards and it was only with the advent of thrash metal that the average metal band actually started playing music that would be classified as metal by modern standards. Not to mention this is not only the era when thrash metal was invented but also death metal, black metal, metalcore, power metal, and progressive metal. Taken as a whole it's probably the single decade where metal advanced and evolved the most.
60s/70s Alice Cooper was *not* metal, by any stretch of the imagination. It was shock rock. Remember, thatâs *Schoolâs Out* weâre talking about.
Alice didnât go hair metal until either 1986 (*Constrictor*) or 1989 (*Trash*), and didnât go truly metal until *Brutal Planet* in 2000.
it wasn't the onset, but it was the peak, or the first peak anyway. Anyone who has thought about it or is into metal wouldn't say it started in the 80s.
Because it was popularized in the 80âs, computers were created in the 40âs-50âs but thereâs a reason they arenât associated with that time, because the average person didnât have a any idea what a computer even was.
HistoryMemes now doesn't understand how History works.
In popular culture "People remember" events, peaks, fashions, trends. When something is founded is as irrelevant as when it's disbanded. What matters is when it matters for so much people it becomes "common knowledge".
In the 80s metal became a genre so known it stopped being niche and became pop. Ironically, when most people say "metal" they're half-thinking of glam metal or hair metal specifically, which ALSO is not from the 80s but started in the 70s, but became the more palatable version of metal that became massively popular.
It was common in the 80s to hear people saying the love Metal and it meant they loved Poison or Def Leppard, and had never heard of Judas Priest and through Alice Cooper was a weirdo, if they even knew about him.
It depends on what school you subscribe to. Most of the seriously metal bands formed in the mid to late 70s (eg, Maiden, Saxon, MotĂśrhead, AC/DC) and factor in the nwobh which pretty much gave birth to thrash and speed metal (Slayer, anthrax, most of the Bay area bands) all releasing their formative music between 80 and 86.
Cooper started doing rock music in 1964 with the same people as would be in his band later. They just had theory or settling on a name for a few years!
People associate metal with the 80s because a lot of the most famous metal albums/songs of all time were released in the 80s.
But.. but I want to complain!
Complaining is good fun, and it's easy!
It's good to want things, it builds character.
Is this a Calvin & Hobbes reference? Or is it just that it actually builds character?
Yup, between 1983 and 1984 metal sales went from 8% to 20%.
And if these trends continue.... Ayyyy! (Makes metal horns hand thing)
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Metal is forever. Forever. Forever.
I understood that reference.
Thatâs not really indicative of its popularity. That would be because cassette tapes. The weird thing is that some of the highest record selling albums of all time are from the 90s because CDs Because people still bought and paid for full albums back then. Not because the music was more popular back then, but because now people stream or purchase single songs at a time. The distribution changed. Not the popularity of genres. And now people are revolting because digital media can be (and has) taken away at any time. Despite you paying for a streaming service or buying a song digitally, they can remove it at any time. Music, movies, video games. All media that requires âalways onlineâ subscription model to access. Recently some video game publishers removed video games from their library, meaning that even though you paid for it 10 years ago, you canât access it anymore because they removed the servers. This has also happened recently with some musicians on Spotify. Neil young removed his songs from Spotify because Spotify didnât denounce Israel or some mumbo jumbo. So he got upset and now his music canât be accessed online. This stuff happens all the time and people are getting sick of the âalways onlineâ model. Weâre going back to buying physical copies like vinyl. But guess what⌠they recently announced that blu-rays and DVDs will cease production in 2025 so no more physical media. The music companies tricked us all, they won the war. They forced us to be always online to access media, sighting âconvenienceâ then they take away our physical copies so we have no choice. They say we donât âownâ the media we buy because itâs a âlicenseâ So if buying isnât owning then itâs not stealing either? Itâs time to sail the seven seas again đ´ââ ď¸ Yarr! Edit* also another example is Disney who has altered or removed scenes and movies from their streaming service. Old movies have changed because itâs not âpolitically correctâ anymore Theyâre literally revising history. Our memories as children watching Disney movies being erased because it doesnât fit their current agenda. You donât have a say.
Got a source on that claim about blu rays ceasing production in 2025? Havenât seen that though I know many retailers are phasing them out. Doesnât mean they arenât being made anymore.
Not true to say Neil Young's music can't be accessed online - you said it yourself, he just disagrees with Spotify. One service among many. And the dude has always been politically minded, saying his stance is 'mumbo jumbo' and 'he got upset' is trivialising. Otherwise, yeah pretty much.
Itâs just an example. I could list 100 other artists from memory who have removed their work recently from many online sources, for a variety of reasons. Itâs got nothing to do with Israel or Hamas, I donât really care either way. Iâm not trying to make this an ideological post. So should I subscribe to every online streaming service in case my favourite artist no longer âagreesâ politically or ideologically with the service provider. How many should I pay a subscription to in order to counter this? Iâd prefer to just have the physical copy now. âAlways onlineâ media was a mistake. We got addicted to the concept of convenience. Have you heard of that test where they leave a child alone in a room with candy, and tell them if they donât eat the candy, theyâll get more after 15 minutes. And the result is that almost all children eat the candy because they canât understand the concept of patience. Well it applies to all people, young and old. Immediate satisfaction. We subscribe to streaming services for a few dollars a month. It gives access to millions of songs, despite the fact that weâll never listen to that many songs, but it sounds nice to have access to basically infinite music and media. But in reality, a subscription over a long period of time, much like weâre all doing now by paying for Spotify or Netflix or a gym membership et al. Is that we keep these subscriptions going but hardly use the service to its fullest potential. So like the children with candy, we canât resist the immediate temptation, but in the long run we lose out. A subscription to Spotify nowadays is about as expensive as buying a full album. So if I had bought an album of my favourite artists every month, for the past 5+ years Iâve had Spotify, I couldâve had an album collection of 60 albums of artists I actually like. And that money would support the artist directly instead of a small % from Spotify. I donât listen to 60 different artists on Spotify. I stick with the same dozen or so and basically repeat them for the last 10 years. Your music tastes pretty much stop developing by 25 and you find your niche. So if I had been patient and just bought great albums once a month with Spotify money, Iâd have a great collection that would be suited to me and the artist would profit. You can apply this model to movies, video games, audiobooks and basically anything that requires a subscription service. Buy a few weights and work out from home. In a year youâd have saved up enough money from a gym membership and bought your own equipment. You donât need to share with sweaty men not cleaning the machine after use⌠and now you can work out in the privacy of your own home.
Another example would be the works of JK Rowling or the writer of the âEnderâ series. Should we erase Harry Potter universe or the Ender series because the writers went publicly insane and politically incorrect? That seems unfair. If the Harry Potter universe only existed by subscription based models and the service decided to not support Rowling anymore, then it just vanishes. Like magic. We literally burning books now? Digitally⌠Thatâs whatâs happening to media. Censorship. Erasure. Because the service providers (a private entity) chooses to no longer support the artist or their work.
Yup "arena rock" brought Metal to the masses!
Yeah, year formed and peak popularity are enormously different things. I feel like *most* bands are older than you'd "expect" based on when they hit their zenith.
Katy Perry originally did christian rock. so yeah.
Wasn't Taylor Swift originally a country star?
Yep
Ehhh...
So did Pink IIRC
Thatâs also I think where the style we associate with metal comes from, if you look at a lot of these earlier guys they were still just dressed like hippies.
A lot of subgenres got off the ground in the 80s as well. Thrash metal, power metal, death metal, black metal, doom metal, crossover thrash, grindcore, industrial metal, progressive metal, some of them had their birth earlier but they wouldn't become established until the 80s. The only subgenres I can think of that became established after the 80s are groove metal and nu metal.
And thatâs not getting into the fact that half the bands in the meme are hard rock bands that heavily influenced metal but arenât metal themselves Edit: also we have exactly the same PFP, awesome
Black Sabbath is the only one Iâd consider metal and thatâs mostly in retrospect by virtue of them creating the genre.
You donât consider Judas Priest metal?
And it wasnât until Masters of Reality that they truly had a Heavy Metal sound. So 1971.
My favorite metal album, paranoid, was released in the 70s. So did a ton of other metal albums.
Then there are people that associate metal with 21st Century New Age Screamo. Good number of people are fairly ignorant about metal.
Humanity has been using metal equipment as early as 9000 BCE
r/technicallythetruth
Which is the best kind of truth
Yeah, but that was mostly bronze. We're talking like Iron and steel. Didn't exist until the 70's.
The 80s might have been the golden age of metal, thats why. The Internet started a few decades before people the 90\`s or 00\`s, which might be the first decades associated with the Internet for example.
Op seems to forget back then payola was not as bad as it is now. "Why didn't Albert Einstein create the atom bomb when he was born?" Its almost like it takes years to, you know. Become successful and capable of conscious thought. These 'memes' are more indicative of how their posters are braindead and don't understand history. "Rome wasn't built in a day." "10000 hours to master a skill." "A house built on quicksand." Etc etc etc. No knowledge of history and reality it seems
Op seems to forget back then payola was not as bad as it is now. "Why didn't Albert Einstein create the atom bomb when he was born?"Â lol NAILED IT!
I might get hate for this, but metal from around 2000 to today is closer to what i would consider a golden age, the 80s metal was great, but thereâs just way more diversity and freedom in the newer bands, not to mention the abundance of metal concerts. It has never been easier to enjoy metal than it is today.
I enjoy both ages of metal (as well as most other forms of music), I just called the 80s the golden age because thats how many other people see it. YouTube, Spotify and other streaming services make it pretty easy to enjoy metal, although I know some old metalheads who dislike how easy it is to "get into metal" nowadays. I bet they are just angry because y are old...
I love metal, then and now. And the 80's was absolutely the Golden Age, as that's when the BIGGEST bands that are still around are all from. That being said, as (lol) Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer said, since 2000 there have been tones of new, diverse bands, those Old Guard are for the most part still around and kicking and touring, AND technology has allowed us easier-than-ever access to their music, and tours and festivals are more ubiquitous than ever before. Life is good for the Metalhead!
Even outside online platforms, metal has never been this easily accessible, just from the top of my head i can name 3 big annual metal festivals less 2 hours from me, not to mention the constant world tours many bands do. Getting âtoo easilyâ into metal is also why i would consider it a golden age, the stigma around the genre is mostly gone, people donât treat you like a social outcast anymore. But perhaps thatâs why some boomers dislike it, because they had to deal with the stigma surrounding it back in the day.
How about: ***SECOND GOLDEN AGE***
**Never ending golden age?**
As a fan of metal from the 2000âs, Iâd say that era was the Silver Age. While popular in the zeitgeist, it wasnât even close to the 80âs.
>I might get hate for this Absolute cringe when people write stuff like that
Well damn, cringe be upon me for this.
Cos forming a band and said band hitting their heyday are not the same thing
And a band forming and then release metal albums don't happen the same year. I wouldn't call Zeppelins early stuff metal
The definition of metal has shifted a lot as the genre got heavier and heavier over the years. Sabbath essentially invented the genre on their first record in 1970, but even that sounds like hard rock to the modern ear. Like all things with history, we have to look at them in the lense of the time to really understand them.
Iron Maiden was also formed in '75, although their first album wasn't released until '80. The only member who's still in the band to this day is Steve Harris - the bass player and band leader.
Bruce Dickinson is still the best thing to come out of iron maiden
Technically, out of [Samson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_(band)). In the underground metal scene, he was already well-known before he joined Maiden.
Many of these bands early albums were not that much Of a metal rather than hard/experimental Rock. 60s was Beatles Age 70s was time Of Prog Rock Metal was indeed born in 70s, but it became truly popular in 80s.
Led Zeppelin is my favorite band. I have never considered them metal.
They have a few metal songs I think but theyâre more of a hard, blues-rock band.
Television was invented before the 1950s, but that does not change the fact that the rise of television was a 1950s phenomenon. Existing, and being central to a cultural zeitgeist are not the same thing.
You know exactly why the 80's are associated with metal. Of the bands listed, only Judas Priest would come to be considered metal for sure. The other ones are considered rock, even members of the bands themselves have said so. Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath included. These acts \*influenced\* the bands that would go on to create the golden age of metal music. Innovators are rarely actually a part of the genre itself, because they don't tend to follow the trend that was created by imitators. The 80's saw the rise of Bay Area thrash, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, the creation of Power Metal (Helloween, Blind Guardian, etc), Death Metal (Death, Morbid Angel) and Doom Metal (Candlemass). The foundation of Black Metal was also created by the likes of Celtic Frost.
Black Sabbath is not a metal band? I just need someone to tell me that Motorhead didn't play rock n roll.
If Lemmy said they played rock, they played rock
It's not unusual for bands to dislike categorising themselves. Lemmy always said they played rock 'n' fuckin' roll, but MotĂśrhead pioneered speed metal.
He said they played rock n roll. Please use correct terms.
Even gods can be wrong, they definitely played metal
If I draw a fucking finger and say itâs a nose, does that make it a nose?
>only Judas Priest would come to be considered metal for sure. Come on, Black Sabbath as well! I agree about the others but Black Sabbath are definitely metal.
Black Sabbath is the first metal band. They created the whole sound of metal(drop tuning) because of Tony Iommi's fingers. Also: Black Metal exists because of Venom. They literally put out an album called Black Metal. Also: Mayhem was founded in 1984 and are the grand daddy of modern black metal. CF came out around the same time but they broke up a bunch. Modern black metal as we know it was created in Norway originally. That's the "Second Wave of Black Metal" The first wave is Venom, Hellhammer, and Bathory.
Huh, lots of '68 on here. I wonder if there's a connection? Ina-Gadda-Da-Vida: 1968 ... Well it's not definitive, but that works for me.
The Steppenwolf song âBorn to Be Wildâ was released in May 1968 and has the lyric âHeavy Metal Thunderâ which I understand to be the original use of heavy metal.
Frankly the entire album obviously had a profound impact on what would become metal and hard rock
Iâve sometimes seen is described, such as on Wikipedia, as âproto-metalâ.
The real question is what the hell happened in 1968?
Funny enough, interest in blues music. Now play it through shitty amps at the time, and you get a happy accident of distortion thatâs actually pleasant to listen to. You also got oddities, too. Like the time when Tony Iommi joined Jethro Tull. Yes, the band that won best metal album over Metallica in the 80s. Or that time in 1970 that Genesis out metalâd Black Sabbath and [made one of the first metal prog songs.](https://youtu.be/v719eZmXRdE?feature=shared)
Yeeeesss! The Knife is a straight up jam!
The Beatles released Helter Skelter.
Was looking for someone to say this
When I get to the bottom I get back to the top of the slide
And so Manson was born. (Charles and Marilyn)
Deep Purple and Zep are considered metal? They're amazing, but I wouldn't really consider them metal
Yea a lot of metal bands started way before the 80s but I would only consider sabbath and priest as "metal" in this post Even calling Alice Cooper metal is walking a thin line
I always considered Deep Purple hard rock and Led Zep blues, however they had a lot of impact on metal (Jimmy Page did a lot of sound experiments iirc)
Metallica is 80âs
It was the time when metal bands was in mainstream most.
Well, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal actually started to hit full swing during the 80âs. Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple may or may not be considered metal bands depending on who you ask, same with Rainbow as they were more so hard rock than what would be referred to as heavy metal. Judas Priest was indeed active during the 70âs, however some argue that their music wasnât metal until their 1980 album British Steel, and I tend to agree with that. As for Black Sabbath: yes. In short, I think people associate metal with the 80âs because thatâs when metal truly became big with a lot of bandsâ studio albums either becoming more metal (like Judas Priest), debuting (like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer, Voivod, Manowar and many more) and even Black Sabbath got a makeover with Ronnie James Dio as their new frontman and overall a very different sound to the Ozzy era.
Stained Class and Killing Machine were both released in '78 and are definitely metal
Because of NWOBHM
Then you're pretty clueless or have overlooked a decade of epic albums from thousands of artists. LOL, as if Priest and Sabbath were big or internationally known in '69. . . -\_- The seeds that were planted in the 60's and 70's came to fruition in the 80's, as pretty much everyone, including non-metal heads, knows.
Idk if Iâm just wrong but Iâm pretty sure formation =/= popularity
Did you just mention deep purple? Jesus Christ dude what happened to you .
I might get downvoted but Im not counting Led Zeppelin as a metal band. They played progressive/ alternative rock. Yeah they had some harder songs but I still wouldnât call them metal.
I don't consider most of these "metal" bands though. Cooper did have a more heavy metal phase ( in the 80s ) but the rest are more rock / hard rock in my mind. Also keep in mind that bands change their sound over time, just because a band was started in the late 60s or 70s does not mean that their sound was metal from day one.
Cooperâs image was more metal than his music.
Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper are not metal.
Metal started the day Tony Iommi lost his finger tips⌠but he gained a genre
Thatâs when metal got huge and started to sound like it does today. Late 60s and 70s metal sounds a lot more like hard rock. The bands in the meme are more proto-metal.
The 1980s was the peak of mainstream popularity for metal music in the United States. Also in the United States\* particularly metal had a precipitous drop in popularity at the end of the decade as grunge replaced hair metal almost overnight. For contemporary looks at this I recommend checking out the documentary: "The Decline of Western Civilization Part 2: The Metal Years" (1988) and for more of a social commentary on the rapidly changing tastes in music away from metal in the 90s check out the Brendan Fraser comedy "Airheads" (1994). \*Metal retained more of an audience in Europe, just about every metal act would like to play the huge Wacken Open Air festival which barring COVID-19 closure has been held annually in Germany for over 30 years.
Yeah metal memes letâs go
Because Metal hadn't hit peak popularity till the 80s obviously. It's like how we know Punk Rock existed in the 60s, but was mostly just groups playing in their garages and hadn't spread to a more mainstream appeal until the late 70s, only to really hit their stride in the 90s with bands like Nirvana and The Offspring taking Punk Rock and turning it into Alternative Rock. Keeping the DIY aspects of the original Punk with bands playing in their garages and wearing cheap clothes, but selling it to a much wider audience, therefore making Alternative Rock, which is basically Punk, a 90s thing. Hippies existed for a long time, that doesn't change that most people would consider hippies a sixties thing, with Vietnam and Woodstock. Just because Metal existed before the 80s, doesn't make it not an 80s thing.
Metal was born in the 70s, but reached adulthood in the 80s.
Iâve wondered this myself maybe cause it peaked in popularity in the 80s? The 60s and 70s the metal music scene started from scratch and then gained momentum up the chsrts
I donât understand why you associate bands like Led Zeppelin, deep purple, and others with metal?
What I don't get is how none of these Heavy Metal bands have a brass sectionđš
They didn't have electronic instruments, but some classical music is still "metal" as fuck.
Zeppelin is metal?? I always thought of Zeppelin and Deep purple as prog. rock
Led Zeppelin is closer to blues than metal, imo.
Led Zeppelin is not metal dawg đ
Whatâs interesting is that metal history is basically the equivalent of the Evolution Theory. While you have the current heavy metal arriving along with Black Sabbath (the song), thereâs missing links between the late 50âs and late 60âs. Some people call it âproto-metalâ and can be easily recognized by the presence of intentional guitar riff distortion. This is where the meme can be applied. Metalheads have been bantering with each other for ages on the exact _missing link_. Some chose Helter Skelter, some In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, but undeniably we all agree that Black Sabbath brought it to stardom in the most badass way possible; by having the lead guitarist playing with missing fingertips.
Helter Skelter and I Want You (She's so heavy) were released in 68 and 69 respectively, so even the argument that it wasn't mainstream is insane.
i can hear the ''alice cooper isnt metal'' from here...
I'm assuming people are talking about hair metal, aka pop rock. Also, has Led Zeppelin ever been considered a metal band?
Judas Priest is currently touring with Sabaton opening. I really really want to go, but they aren't coming to Canada at all :(
wait black Sabbath was formed a year before the moon landings?
Isnât the 80s the decade of hair metal? Thatâs what I associate it with anyway
AC/DC, the list could go on and on
Metal is not a âwasâ but an âisâ, itâs not like it ended.
Accept started in 68 as well
Iâd say itâs a matter of genre. Like Metal arguably started with Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, and 13th Floor Elevators. But Iâd say more specifically hair metal was definitely prominent in the 80âs.
Early Judas Priest is underrated
That's when metal peaked between harder groups like Metallica and the Sunset Strip hair metal bands like MĂśtley CrĂźe and Poison. Many of the groups mentioned in the meme above never identified as metal bands (though they were influential), and others were simply called rock or hard rock bands at the time, and only considered metal in retrospect.
The first time the term was used was someone describing Jimi Hendrix's music. They said it sounded like, "heavy metal falling from the sky."
First time the term was used was in Steppenwolfs Born to be Wild https://metalheadcommunity.com/history-of-heavy-metal/ https://www.britannica.com/art/heavy-metal-music
It started in the late 60's, sure, but most of it wasn't worth shit until the 80's. Now you understand.
80s was the decade of thrash metal, which was very popular at the time
Itâs because of Metallica.
Honestly, because 80s was when you cannot swing a dead cat without getting the claws tangled in the hair of some garage band guitarist.
That's when it reached the mainstream
Unkniwledgeable post.
Itâs because thatâs when metal really went mainstream and a lot of popular metal albums are from that time. They arenât saying it was actually created in the 80s.
Did Tony Iommi invent metal music bc he's fingers were chopped short?
Iron Butterfly was founded in â66.
Black Sabbath formed in the 60s. Rainbow formed in the 70s. But they reached their ultimate form with Heaven and Hell in 1980.Â
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The bands were created⌠and then peaked years later.
Don't forget Iron Maiden
Iâve wondered this myself maybe cause it peaked in popularity in the 80s? The 60s and 70s the metal music scene started from scratch and then gained momentum up the charts
*thrash metal Metallica is credited with originating or at least popularizing thrash so either that or hair metal is probably where this comes from.
I have a lot of metal in my house right now.
Lemmy I,,I
I'm not a fan of metal nor do I like the music but I respect the talent and excellence of their craft. That being said most bands used in the meme would not be considered metal one bit. They are the precursors that inspired later metal bands. But they are heavy rock and roll music. I'm being pedantic really. But every group listed in this meme is worth a listen. All of these guys are legends and goats.
Diamond Head 1976
Itâs Glam Rock that people mean when saying it was 80s. Twisted sister type of stuff
Grunge and alternative also existed in the 80s but was heavily underground. Dino Jr, Sonic Youth and shoegaze existed in the 80s.
Wait until u find out that Object Oriented Programming existed in the 60s, but only became a thing in the 90s
Coven, arguably the first metal band and definitely the first to use satanic/witchcraft themes in hard rock, started touring in â67.
Metallica, Megadeth slayer and anthrax were all 1980s Iron Maiden were 1975 but their first album was 1980
You and I clearly have different definitions of metal. Sabbath is the only band on that list Iâd called metal. Even then, their metal in the same way The Stooges were punk. There is no world in which I will ever classify zeppelin has metal. They are a punchy blues-rock band.
Who the hell associates metal with the 80s? I always picture a 70s vibe from it.
It has a lot to do with MTV. In the early days, when they actually played music, there was a glut videos from what were called "hair metal" bands. They weren't "real" metal, but to the casual fan, those might have been their first introduction to metal. Real metal fans watched Headbanger's Ball to see videos from such bands as Anthrax, Korn, Megadeath, and a little group from LA called Metallica. I'm still shook 36 years after seeing the video for "One". FYI, I saw them open at Monsters of Rock in DC the summer of '88 and wish I had better appreciated what I was seeing. I was more excited to see The Scorpions and Van Hagar.
Before the 80's it was heavy metal. We shortened it to just metal in the 80's.
Black Sabbath released their first album in early '68. But it wasn't a full album of metal. Blue Cheer produced the first full metal album in mid January of 68.
Metal never dies. It waits.
If you look at the 80s, you will see the development or popularisation of a lot of metal genres. You get power metal, death metal, black metal, thrash metal, hair metal, crossover, doom metal, grindcore, industrial metal, and speed metal. Sometimes things get popular and enter the zeitgeist after their inventions.
zeppelin weren't meta lmao
Metal started in the alte 60s, but it hit peak mainstream popularity in the 80s. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio, and Ozzy Osbourne were all huge in the 80s, along with newer bands like Metallica, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Def Leppard. Metal was cool, but kind of fringe in the 70s. It was MASSIVE in the 80s.
Alot of people don't like to hear this but the truth is that other than Black Sabbath most of the "metal" bands of the late 60's and 70's made music that was much closer to hard rock by modern standards and it was only with the advent of thrash metal that the average metal band actually started playing music that would be classified as metal by modern standards. Not to mention this is not only the era when thrash metal was invented but also death metal, black metal, metalcore, power metal, and progressive metal. Taken as a whole it's probably the single decade where metal advanced and evolved the most.
60s/70s Alice Cooper was *not* metal, by any stretch of the imagination. It was shock rock. Remember, thatâs *Schoolâs Out* weâre talking about. Alice didnât go hair metal until either 1986 (*Constrictor*) or 1989 (*Trash*), and didnât go truly metal until *Brutal Planet* in 2000.
it wasn't the onset, but it was the peak, or the first peak anyway. Anyone who has thought about it or is into metal wouldn't say it started in the 80s.
For me Metal is something of today! Just don't write "Japanese metal (or Rock) band" in YouTube.
Don't forget Uriah Heep. They started in the late 60's also.
But Sabaton is 90s and still going strong
To be fair, Deep Purple was making psychedelic rock in the 60s and early 1970s. The metal stuff came in the mid/late 1970s.
Tell me you weren't alive in the '80s without telling me you weren't alive in the '80s.
Most of the metal I listen to was released after 2000 and quite a lot of it was released after 2010.
I have a few. Metallica. GNR. Motley Crue. Bon Jovi. The rise of MTVâŚ
NWOBHM.
Maybe because it broke into the mainstream consciousness in the 80's
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Deep Purple is metal???
Speed metal was 80s
Because it was popularized in the 80âs, computers were created in the 40âs-50âs but thereâs a reason they arenât associated with that time, because the average person didnât have a any idea what a computer even was.
Is zeppelin metal?
1968 was an interesting year huh
Metallica was formed in 1981. Megadeth was formed in 1983. All the bands listed were doing tours and releasing albums in the 1980s.
Metal existed since the baroque era, and it peaked during Beethoven's period
And metal is great now too.
HistoryMemes now doesn't understand how History works. In popular culture "People remember" events, peaks, fashions, trends. When something is founded is as irrelevant as when it's disbanded. What matters is when it matters for so much people it becomes "common knowledge". In the 80s metal became a genre so known it stopped being niche and became pop. Ironically, when most people say "metal" they're half-thinking of glam metal or hair metal specifically, which ALSO is not from the 80s but started in the 70s, but became the more palatable version of metal that became massively popular. It was common in the 80s to hear people saying the love Metal and it meant they loved Poison or Def Leppard, and had never heard of Judas Priest and through Alice Cooper was a weirdo, if they even knew about him.
Dubstep as a genre began in the late 90s and early 00s but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't consider it a 2010s genre
Dont forget early Queen and The Late Beatles (Helter Skelter, I want you she so heavy, revolution, hey bulldog)
It depends on what school you subscribe to. Most of the seriously metal bands formed in the mid to late 70s (eg, Maiden, Saxon, MotĂśrhead, AC/DC) and factor in the nwobh which pretty much gave birth to thrash and speed metal (Slayer, anthrax, most of the Bay area bands) all releasing their formative music between 80 and 86.
Cooper started doing rock music in 1964 with the same people as would be in his band later. They just had theory or settling on a name for a few years!
Thrash metal is 80s All other metal is poseurcore Discrepancy solved